September 12th, 2011
11:00 AM ET
Mitch Winehouse: Amy hadn't done drugs in three years
Anderson Cooper snagged an interview with the parents of the late Amy Winehouse, Mitch and Janis, for today's premiere of his new daytime TV show, "Anderson."
In the interview, Mitch informs the silver-haired host that he thinks it wasn't drugs that took the life of his 27-year-old daughter in late July.
"Everybody knows I've been banging on about the fact that she hasn’t taken drugs in three years," he tells Cooper. "Everyone thought I was in denial, I wasn’t in denial, she hadn't taken drugs. Her problem was alcohol, the last few years of her life."
For Mitch, the difference "is that what happened to Amy wasn’t anything to do with drugs. It might be that drugs took its toll in the early years, but there were no drugs in her system. She was prescribed Librium, which is a normal drug, which is given to people who are detoxing and it kind of decreases the chances of having seizures. She was continuing to take one of those pills everyday."
He went on to reveal that the late singer "had a series of seizures brought on by this binge drinking and then stopping…I think she had a seizure and this was the time when there was no one there to rescue her."
Mitch and Janis say they're speaking out about their daughter's death for many reasons, but primarily so that they can put a spotlight on the Amy Winehouse Foundation.
"I was in New York when I got the news that she passed away," Mitch recalls. "[The] first thing that came into my head was 'Amy Winehouse Foundation.' Children, horses music, all the things she loved. I decided immediately that's the direction we were going."
By giving interviews such as this one with Anderson Cooper, the couple say they're "hoping to raise money for disadvantaged children suffering with drug abuse [and] ill health."
In the meantime, the couple are coping with the passing of their daughter by leaning on the support offered by her fans.
"When we stepped out of the house at one time, people came up to me and they thanked me for having Amy," Janis says. "That’s when I knew, this is something else. To be thanked for giving birth to my child. That's wonderful."
See the rest of the interview when "Anderson" premieres today; check your local listings for time. Mitch Winehouse is also speaking about Amy's death on "Piers Morgan Tonight" Tuesday at 9 p.m. ET - check out the clip below.
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Yeah and my arms itch like that all the time too...right.
Alcohol is a drug, he is in denial
i really wished she didn't die, that way she could have stayed faded away. its amazing what death can do for an artist career
The real tragedy is that we are even having a reason to discuss this.
If Mr. Winehouse is only in this for his own self interests; he will pay for it in time. But only he and his wife know if that is the truth FOR SURE. And losing his daughter will be the first of many consequences for it. He won't need anyone else to punish him.
Boy, you sure called that wrong. Liars can stay in their delusions forever–they not only deceive others–they deceive themselves. Amy is dead and one of the things she sang about was that her daddy told her she was fine and did not need rehab. Maybe it was just a song–maybe not–but her death did not wake him up–he is still singing about De Nile.
so here is the deal–YOU pizz, moan and cry for them–as for the majority of us who SAW this train wreck and predicted the outcome a LONG LONG time ago–(and as fans were very upset by this) we say daddy needs not only to wake up but also own up and you are also wrong about enlightenment–if a person is really a good liar they die that way–totally delusioned and not accepting responsibility. His very lies are enabling and may have lulled Amy into thinking she was not as bad off as she was or that SHE could get away with a little drug use.
If this man wants sympathy or peace he needs to get his face out of the public and grieve –because as long as he promotes his daughter via a foundation but stands to gain (and he will gain) and her corpse is not even a year old) he will be seen and viewed as an opportunistic, lying, enabling–P>I>M>P.
@ Queen Bee – her father was the one asking people to stop buying her music when her addiction was at its worst. How can you say he is in denial? He doesn't want another parent to go through what they are going through and thought of a way to make that happen. i applaude them. She was an incredible talent with an incredible disease. I'm sure her parents are still in shock, not denial. Let them work it out and help others, can't hurt.
She died because she abused alcohol and drugs for years and that took a toll on her body. So, don't follow in those footsteps! End of story!
why separate alcohol and drugs...they are one in the same.
Everyone knows the saying "you never know what is going on behind closed doors". Well; we do not live with this family. We did not live with Amy. No matter what the public knows there is a chance they do not know the whole story or even have all parts of it correct. And I never said this family is not in denial. Whether before her death or now. They are. But they have to face that in their own time. It isn't going to happen by being attacked. All I am saying is that all the nastiness, insults, sarcasm, etc is unnessary. And unless you have a child going through this, lost a child this way or lost one at all we are not in a position to judge. No; if he was paid for this interview he should not of been unless it is going to charity. And for some; maybe they are so aggravated by George and Cindy and Joe and Katherine ( and those two couples deserve what they get because of blatant lying and proven and admitted child abuse) right now that even unconciously they are unable to be objective about ANY high profile parents. God knows recent history involving parents like that have people stirred up. But'; not every parent is like those two couples. Whether this one is or not; try to remember that. No matter what; I hope Amy has found peace and that someday her family faces the truth and finds peace as well for their sake. I know sooner or later another celebrity is gonna die the same way just as everyday people do and it is sooo sad. I just think our first reaction should be compassion. Not insults, sarcasm and judgment.
This is nice. Thank you – there ARE real, compassionate humans on here! I completely agree and appreciate this wholeheartedly.
If Amy's dad did like most normal people and was grieving in private that would be one thing, but when he takes a show on the road–then he and his wife are subject to the scrutiny, censure, criticism, denigration, scorn and sympathy/empathy that the public dishes out. HE is the one saying alcohol is not a drug and spouting denial tidbits all over the air waves.
To say nothing would be to ENABLE his denial which should also never be done. Then he says the first thing he thought about when he heard his daughter died was how to make/save money with a charity?
You seem to be a very caring person–but he has brought this on himself. This is not your grandma's America or world anymore–most of us do not wear aprons or set mince or apple pie on sills for the knave of hearts to nab–in the real world more and more we are very cognizant of the scam–especially the ones that come cloaked in pity stories. Maybe Mitch should just shut up. Maybe he should go home and relive and rethink what happened to Amy.
Maybe he should try that for a few months then QUIETLY begin the work of establishing a charity in her memory..or will the probate courts not wait that long? Girl has not been dead a month and here is her daddy on tv–THAT is sickening and we do not need to know what goes on behind closed doors–the minute he pimps/promotes himself or his daughter's death–he is FAIR GAME and if he does not know that by now–he will.
Well, the family is certainly NOT going to be helped if all of the public enables the denial mode by keeping quiet-that just makes all of us part of that man's delusion. Sorry–don't do lies well–sometimes reality comes like a huge slap in the face or a splash of cold water. Amy's death did nothing for her father in waking him up–maybe a public backlash is just the ticket–if not–at least we are not enabling his lying by just being quiet and crying for him like YOU are.
ban alcohol, legalize marijuana...
he's a father fibbing about a loved 1 poor Amy was an addict be it drugs' alcohol or prescription narcotics 2 say she was an alcoholic yet not a drug feen is a mistatement of facts every addict knows You can not say no 2 something that makes you feel good when your drunk everything goes thats why when u give something up its very difficult to say no WHILE IMPAIRED every addict what or needs to feel better then they can ever hope 2 . (R.I.P.) AMY
"Snagged an interview", really...how commericalized get you get when talking about a death of an individual. Disappointed...I thought you were different, you just sound like more of the same. Whoever wrote it, it must have
been approved by you. But guess what you got your talk show...how successful are you!!!
Winehouse always looked like a junkie to me.
Natural causes no doubt
" "I was in New York when I got the news that she passed away," Mitch recalls. "[The] first thing that came into my head was 'Amy Winehouse Foundation.' Children, horses music, all the things she loved. I decided immediately that's the direction we were going." "
No wonder that girl was a mess.. the first thing that popped into your head was how to exploit your own daughter's death.
ALCOHOL is a DRUG!
What exactly is "horses music"?
YES AND THERE IS A EASTER BUNNY.
I wish Amy Crackhouse was alive again just so she could die all over again....that day had to be one of the best days of the year...
I PITY YOU' u ass wipe moron she was a drug addict that hurt herself and her loved 1'ssssss that cared about her other then that she probably was a good person .
Last time I checked alcohol is a drug.
i wish the news would start reporting the facts instead of what her dad is saying.. he's obviously not a reliable source.. first he says the cause of her death was the shock of quitting drugs/drinking cold turkey..now he's saying shes been clean for years..
Unfortunately for your body Alcohol is one of the most corrosive drugs. Alcohol is much worse toxically for your body than Marijuana. This western world pushes it's drugs of choice: Alcohol and Pain Killers to make money. Want to find the biggest drug dealers in the world? Look no further than Merck, Phizer and Co.
Poor man. He's trying to create a good image for his daughter but we ALL know the truth. It doesn't matters what he says, we know.
Mitch is trying to create a tax free NFP so he and his wife can still have a lot of money from Amy's millions. If he does not–most of it will go in taxes. He would have done better to not try to pretend that she was sober though–Obviously his enabling are one of the reasons she is dead . "tried to make me go to rehav..I ain't got the time, and if my daddy thinks I'm fine..." yeah daddy–but she wasn't and now she's dead and you are trying to pretend she was just an alcoholic who was not on drugs but was taking meds for withdrawal–makes a LOT of sense.
Wha'ts "horses music?"
The Cannabinoids in Marijuanna help protect against Alchohol induced brain damage.
Yeah, and I'm Pope John Eric I.
Drug-free for years, eh? They gonna start trying to convince she was a chronic overeater and part-time hand model, too?
ahem..okay–THAT is funny. Amy's hands looked like lizard feet.
Does not matter if she's been clean for years, damage was done. Kids, really, you can't run amok with drugs and alcohol then magically dump it as you mature and think you'll be fine. It does not work that way.
There isnt really even a detox from Crack, she needed detox for the booze, its more dangerous than any drug to detox from. Maybe not as hard, but more dangerous if you are so far gone that you are having seizures. Think Benzos are bad too, but they act a lot like booze on the system.
Alcohol is worse than DRUGS or SMOKING .....Period...and it keeps on Killing and causing worldwide Chaos and gets away with it...It needs to be banned anyhwere children are PRESENT and i mean ANYWHERE.......Period again.......
Alcohol is a drug.
And I say for them to SUE ALCOHOL for what it caused...Find out what she drank,and SUE each company for Billions.Hey they did it to tobacco right ?
How does her death due to being an addict help disadvantaged children with drug problems? She wasn't disadvantaged and the message it sends is that if you're rich and famous you can be an addict and it is cool. She really wasn't all that talented and the fact that her family is in such denial (yes, alcohol is a drug) is sad. Your daughter was a fiend and got her high however and whenever she wanted. Perhaps the family and friends could have stepped in a LOT sooner and done something before their daughter killed herself slowly.
WHERE was daddy's defense when Amy was alive? Daddy appears to be in DEEP denial–grief will do that to a person–but I suspect the denial started long before ..." "They tried to make me go to rehab and I said No NO No! ...and if my daddy thinks I'm fine..." Mitch Winehouse may have been one of that woman's MAIN ENABLERS. For at least a few years, Amy walked around look like a cross between a crack/heroin/meth addict and an anorexic. Almost to a one, fans or not (and I am a fan) we all were afraid she was headed for that cliff.
Only die hard deniers and "daddy" thought Amy was fine.
Alcohol is a drug, chump – denial continues
And the saddest part of this entire story? People still refusing to believe that alcohol is a drug. If Amy died because of alcohol, then SHE DIED OF A DRUG. In fact, she died of a drug that is more harmful to your body than many other "illegal substances", or is at least just as harmful.
Having a child addicted – whether it's drugs or alcohol or both – is a sad, sad thing. I've watched my own parents slowly deteriorate while watching my brother slowly drink and drug himself to death.
and a bunch of people are wondering what the f'k is wrong with you that you aren't bothering to do anything about it but watch....if your parents are addicts call the cops and get them busted.....a little jail time is better than going to an early grave....or are you just waiting for whatever is left as an inheritance?
you kidden?? she had needles hanging out of her arm 24-7.. She put keith Richards to shame!!!...
Also; from what I know, they did try to help her. But the family can only do so much. When you have the disease of addiction and a symptom of that is deep denial, your inability to do your part no matter how hard outsiders try is part of the nature of the disease. Although they probably are experiencing some misplaced guilt as I said how do you you know what you see is all there is? There is no shame in not being able to be your child's savior. Especially when you have done your part. All of us jumping to the worse possible of conclusions about their motives is not positive. All it does is make the pain worse and attach more stigma to the problem. You living in their heart, their body, their mind or their house? Then do not assume the worst. And for gods sake; subtract the insults, sarcasm and tasteless jokes. Not everyone is doing that but the ones who are should not.
I agree that there is no shame in not being able to be your child's savior but this is much worse–this person is in deep denial and IF this same denial was present during Amy's life then this man IS going to carry the guilt of having stood by and did nothing due to his own denial of her illness/addiction and THAT is a shame. It is one thing for the addict to be in denial and to sabotage all help but it is an entirely different kettle of fish when a parent KNOWS they either enabled or looked the other way while their child was slowly dying of ANY kind of addiction and that is what Mitch Winehouse has to live with no matter what he says or claims and the world knows this. Between the disgust and anger at the waste of Amy's death is a sort of exasperated pity for her father.
actually, you can go to court and have your adult child committed to a facility. Anyone in the situation that doesn't try this is only being lazy...
Going to court is easier to do in some countries than in others. For every dad like Britney Spears who can intervene –numerous have tried and have not been able to do so due to the rights of indiv. In Britney's father's case he could claim legal rights as her manager to preserve her estate as well as a parental connection to justify it–but if Amy's dad was not in that position and the courts did not allow such a tactic his hands were tied. In this case though, I doubt he even tried–at this point it is all about the money and setting up a foundation is just a way to keep most of her money out of probate and to keep money for him and his wife rolling in. The fact that the first thought on learning of her death was a way to generate more tax free income says a lot about where that man's head was and is.
If he had tried to commit her when she was alive she might have cut him off and disowned him then he would have had no access to her money when she died and could not set up anything or save any money–see how all of that fits together? WS is just a pollyanna–wants to be nice, no matter what the real deal is–and we are being ruthless because we see where denial got Mitch–it got him a DEAD daughter and now all he wants to do is make more money off her corpse.
ALCOHOL IS A DRUG...
As I said; I would probably not be speaking out at this point. I would focus on grieving. But I am not them. They are handling it in their own way. As we all do. And yes; it probably does appear to look like just jumping on the media circus bandwagon. But is it really? Is that all the public sees? Picture your world famous daughter being judged by everybody? Fairly or unfairly. Insulted, ridiculed, made fun of. My lord; our child gets bullied in school and we are all over the school in a heart beat. Rightly so. And I am not saying Amy was bullied. What I am saying is like that instance Amy's parents are coming to her defense. As any parent would. I am not saying they are not in denial. I am not saying they are going about it in the right way. Or that they are right or wrong. What I am saying is I understand it. And that NONE of us; espescially parents, should sit in judgment or critizise. Until we are in thier shoes and have a child die or die this way. We cannot possibly relate. As a parent; I can imagine the pain of losing my child but not relate and neither can any of us. Especially those of us who do not have any idea what having a child with the disease of addiction is about.
Picture this: your cash cow dies and her lawyer says that the only way to prevent the government from taking about 75% in estate taxes is by setting up a charity (Not for Profit) of some sort...picture him telling you that the only way to preserve most of the money and to get a good income is to set up a foundation and then make yourselves directors and draw a salary–not only will you then keep most of your daughter's money but you will also make money from the foundation from donations. Stop being a Pollyanna, in the 21st century such maudlin and pathetic cluelessness is just disgusting. THIS IS THE REAL WORLD and is the reason most "personal foundations" exist to shelter estates from taxes. GROW UP.
I'll do her mom!! and it was drugs that killed er!! bring little milfy to me..
Isn't that Bobby Knight?
LOL–I thought the same thing–why isn't there a "like" button for this blog?
That goes for all the sarcasm too. Picture this girl having been YOUR child. Is that what you'd want to hear from a bunch of strangers or ven family and friends? Or would that not just make the pain of your loss even worse? One day they will face the truth and more than likely do what they can about being anti-drug and booze advocates. But until then how about some understanding? The same thing you'd want.
Most people with kids would not parade their deaths around on tv or want to be paid for talking about them. Most of us parents would not think of a "foundation" as the first thought when faced with news of our child's death. But then again, most of us do not have a cash cow that had died and most of us do not face the prospects of the majority of millions that cow made being taxed away...uhm unless we can set up some sort of charity (which we run and get paid for) to protect the money plus make her look good.
THOSE are the facts–Amy's father was/is a pimp–the first thought when he lost his cow was how to still get some milk from her? Oh yeah–a "lovin daddy" at his best and I HOPE he reads every single comment and that few give anything to his "foundation" which is probably just a scam. Hey Mitch–She's DEAD and she was a drug addict. NO amount of publicity will change that–but DO set up that foundation, no sense in letting the goverment take in probate all the money your dead daughter earned.
Is all the name calling, insults and judgmental stuff on here really necessary? These parents lost their child. Any of you ever lost yours? No matter how they did they are in terrible pain. None of you ever blindly defended your child's behavior? I am not saying they are right. I am not saying they are wrong. They are just in terrible pain and a horrible position. If I were them I would simply keep to myself and let myself grieve. But if they feel the need to speak out; considering what they've lost; whether they are being honest with themselves or not; we need to try to be understanding and patient. They will come to the truth in their own time. That does not happen for all of us at the same pace nor do we all grieve the same. Would any of you want to be in their shoes? Part of the problem with people in denial about drugs; whether it be the addict or the family of one is the stigma attached to it. Afterall; look at all the name calling, blaming, insults and finger pointing written on here. When your problem is so stigmatized and judged it is no wonder it is even harder facing it. Addiction is a disease. But unlike others it gets very little compassion, understanding or empathy. Why is that? And you do not have to be an addict to see that; just have eyes and ears. These people; especially from other parents deserve compassion and support. Not insults. No Amy was no saint. Yes; she had a serious problem. But no one on here has a right to bash her or her parents. They are all human. Just like all of us. We make our mistakes. They have made theirs. Don't be so quick to judge. RIP Miss Winehouse.
I personally think when you give interviews about such things that you are going beyond mourning, and into the realm of actively trying to participate in the media circus. Their daughter obviously had a drug problem which so many people clearly recognised. I think this is valid to criticise them because who else, if not your immediate family (parents?), would take a personal interest in your welbeing? They obviously didn't have the influence on her that they would have wanted to have, and after she has now passed to say, in effect, "there wasn't really a problem" reflects a lot on why they weren't able to help her more when she was alive.
That isn't a father in pain...it's a man looking for a new source of income....
I also wouldn't accept money to be interviewed about my child's death, but that's just me.
My parents think I'm drug free too.
We have seen the pictures.. sorry to bust your bubble but that isn't Pixie Dust caked on the rim of her nose.
Drug free for years my ass!
So how do they explain her irrational performance in Europe the month before where she incoherent & stumbling onstage? Her relatives & especially her managers should have gotten her help after that.
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't alcohol still classified as a drug? If binge drinking isn't considered an addictive drug problem, then maybe there really is a tooth-fairy !! Coke, meth, PCP, alcohol, or whatever, any of it will still kill you !!!!
If she hadnt done any drugs in three years the she would have had no need for the Liprium. I know from experience. I was a long time drug user. Ive done almost every drug on the list and some not on it. I have been clean for almost exactly three years.
Congratulations on your milestone. Though not a drug user of any kind – if you need labels, I'm your classic enabler – the first thing I thought of when I read this was LID (living in denial). Since when is alcohol not classified as a drug?
What a wasted 3 years. She should have continued with the hard drugs and followed in the footsteps of long lifers like Lou Reed or Keith Richards.
Yes, they're all drug-free, and they all drop dead at 25. Somehow the rest of us managed to stay alive.
It wasn't that the Wino was drug free, it was that she was getting drugs free. That's one of the perks of being a celebrity.
They tried to make me go to rehab but I said no, no, no
I ain't got the time
And if my daddy thinks I'm fine........................................................
'She was always such a good girl........."
"I was in New York when I got the news that she passed away," Mitch recalls. "[The] first thing that came into my head was 'Amy Winehouse Foundation.'
Really? You find out your daughter has passed away, and that's the first thing that comes to mind?
Oh suuuure.....The Amy Winehouse Foundation for children and horses? I know I think of children and horses when I think of Amy Winehouse....and when I think of garbage I think of Akeem.....
stop ruining her legacy daddy-wino
"I was in New York when I got the news that she passed away," Mitch recalls. "[The] first thing that came into my head was 'Amy Winehouse Foundation.'
Huh? Am I the only one that finds this just sick? You've just learned that your daughter died, and you're thinking about forming a foundation? I mean, sure, the idea is a good one, and helping society is good. OK. Yeah. But I just can't imagine any reaction other than horror and loss and pain and thoughts of my baby girl. These people strike me as f-d up somehow.
But then...that should come as no surprise.
I am sorry for their loss.
Winehouse is already dead....how much more help does society need?
Got a few dollars in yer pocket, going drinkin' an druggin'.
Dad should stop smoking whatever it is himself.
Sure his first thought is the AW foundation – how else is he going to support himself now that his cash cow has died. I'm sure he is managing it and gets a nice fee for doing so.
Boy she sure had him fooled.
Her Father says she was off drugs for years. Reah, and I'm the tooth fairy! Also interesting the first thought he had when she died was ther "AW Foundation", not "Oh My G-d, my poor child!" Yeah, he was a real good dad. Father of the Year material!
You owe me $3 for lost teeth....
Not for Profit foundation= tax shelter for Amy's estate. With the cash cow gone, the parents are just trying to preserve what remains of their egg's nest.
Uh, by that comment, I would say her dad has been on drugs since before the interview.
Since when is "alcohol" not considered a drug- of course if Amy Winehouse was drinking she was still on drugs- Alcohol is just one of the "more" acceptable drugs to be on!!! If she had alcohol problems dont be saying that she was "drug-free"!!!
I hear an echo in here.
My mistake, it's the mindless yammering of a thousand heroes proclaiming as one (after the other like a broken record) that alcohol is in fact a drug. Thank you Dr. Substance Abuse for clearing this up. Now that I know that alcohol can be defined as a drug because I was entirely too stupid to figure this out on my own, I will sleep better at night.
Please, be my personal Captain Obvious.
Since you seem bent on endlessly yammering this same moronic response, permit me to repeat this:
What's your point, Brown Note? That alcohol isn't a drug? That is is and that's obvious so why is everybody pointing it out? If the former you are wrong. If the latter, it's because Winehouse's dad seems to believe the former. Either way, put down the bottle yourself and try to write some coherent thoughts here, or else just STFU.
In fact, go to bed and sleep it off, Einstein.
It should be fairly obvious that Brown Note is actually moron and just trying to play off the fact that they actually DID learn something that everyone should already know....
Apparently The Brown Note finally got drunk enough to pass out and stop posting...
what ever helps you sleep at night. I couldn't imagine watching one of my kids die that way. I had to do it with my Mom & Dad & it was horrible.
For years?...did she give up on december 31st to start again on january 1st? or was she in rehab that week?
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but she is dead... who gives a cr@p any more? Time to move on to the next spoiled and drug addicted celebrity crack head.
Starting a Not for Profit is a great way to shelter estates from taxes. If they can get a foundation started then have her personal income put under that umbrella as well as draw more money in, they will lose a lot less of her estate–otherwise, in England, they stand to lose about 75% of her money. THAT is what this is all about.
Drugs AND Alcohol.. Here we go again. That's denial right there. Alcohol IS a drug.
I'll drink to that!!!
The definition of what alcohol is, AGAIN. Here we go AGAIN. Another guy stating his distaste for the separation of the words because god knows it changes everything, AGAIN. Oh no. Not AGAIN.
Brown note: Something is wrong with YOU. Why does it make you upset when people point out that alcohol is a drug when Amy's dad says it is not? It REALLY bothers you as if you don't want to hear that. Got a drinking problem? As for definitions and semantics–uh huh. Words are for communicating and we are communicating that we believe the dad is still in deep, deep denial–and you appear to be communicating that not only is that okay but you want to be in deep denial too and the continual posting and consensus that alcohol is a drug deeply disturbs you.
TOO BAD. It is a drug, and those who cannot help using it are addicts. THERE. As for parsing words, lets try AMY–oh look, if we separate that word out it gets A and "MY" does not make a whole hell lot of sense but whatever–at least is gets you to stop being in denial for a few seconds–now back to the topic which is Any's dad's either denial or IGNORANCE to the fact that alcohol is a DRUG......
It is time people got a much broader picture of what is a drug . Alcohol and Caffeine are drugs . i find it a little hard to read over and over A.W. was free of drugs .Clearly, not all drugs .
It's time for people to stop thinking we're all so stupid we have no idea what can happen from substance abuse. It's time for people to stop thinking that the definition of a word is going to change the perception of substance abuse. It's time, for some people, to stop trying to think, because it's obvious that it isn't working out for you very well. At all.
Technically, sugar is a drug too and known to cause far more death and destruction than alcohol and others (diabetes, obesity, cavities, high triglycerides) and we let kids have a lot of it, too.
No, sugar is NOT "technically" a drug.....not even in the slightest degree even using the most ridiculous and far reaching definition you can find for sugar or drug....
Yes. Sugar is a drug. All drugs and all food are broken down in the body into chemicals which react either within the body, are used to nourish the body or affect the brain and other organs. Sugar can provide an energy rush but what it actually does is poison the body. Insulin is needed to nullify the damage done by sugar which is to create a hyperglycemic reaction that must be neutralized by insulin. When a person does not have insulin they either must get it synthetically or from another source or within a month they will be dead. In addition, the introduction of sugar into the body actually feeds cancer cells and causes the body to produce that ol master hormone –insulin. When that happens insulin also directs the liver to create cholesterol and triglycerides which eventually lead to heart disease.
Sugar produces a pleasurable response in the brain based on chemical reaction and techinically IS not only a drug but also a poison-the only reason it is not designated as such is the same reason there is such ambiguity in the public about alcohol and cigarettes–neither businesses, the public or the government want to acknowledge the truth–but the very reactions produced by sugar including the release of endorphins –means it IS a DRUG. Whether you like it or not.
Oh yeah==there is actually no nourishment in sugar, though cells can use it to temporarily fuel an energy response they expend even more effort trying to neutralize it once it is in the body–and YOU thought your doughnuts and candy bars were an okay vice. LOL
Oh gee if only there was some LIVE CONCERT FOOTAGE of hers to watch for some signs of drug use.
I think the reason the dad is making the emphasis on lack is drugs is because they are illegal and bought under shameful conditions of secrecy and with no assurance they are even what they are said to be. Alcohol happens to be legal. It is in the homes of just about everyone (except observant Moslems, ex-alcoholics, and some other few people). You will be offered alcohol at almost any gathering in the West, from the most respectable down to the most out-of-control frat party. Weddings serve it. If you are unlucky enough to be addicted to it, it will be in your face constantly.
Amy Winehouse was a vulnerable young person. She died from alcoholism's effects. In my opinion, that isn't far different from my own diabetes which can only be controlled by careful eating, which isn't easy either. Both end in death.
Well if she was off drugs, than what did she die from? Duh that hoe was on drugs.
Alcohol is a drug... And if she died from it... Guess what? Its a drug overdose!!! 😛
Congrats. You're the 100th poster to state that alcohol is a drug. Thank you for your majestic and insightful contribution to humanity. Everyone, please, gather round and sing and dance for this princess for stating the bloody obvious.
"Alcohol is a drug" now I'm number 101. LOL
Who will certify she has been drug free for all of those years? Maybe her counselors Keith RIchard or Charlie Sheen would be willing to verify this amazing fact. WAKE UP DADDY AND DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF YOUR DAUGHTER'S PREMATURE DEATH DUE TO DRUGS!!!!!!.
Uhhhh....she died of alcohol withdrawl....the doctor who did the autopsy confirmed that
and Michael Jackson's doctor made a lot of claims too....the fact of the matter is, the doctor is trying to save his own name because he was involved with Amy Crackhouse's drug issues....he was her supplier for prescription meds....
Last I checked, alcohol was a "drug", and arguably the most deadly.
She was taking prescribing medications, those are still "drugs".
If he wants to make the caveat, that Amy wasn't taking any illegal drugs, or street drugs, I don't see the point. They still lead to her downfall.
Last I checked, the definition of what alcohol is has nothing to do with the outcome. Abuse is abuse. Get over the bloody definition. Quit being so smug and do something about it if it means so much to you.
D-E-N-I-A-L.......maybe that's why you lost your lovely, talented daughter MR. Dad of the Year.
show the man a bit of sympathy...he also lost his cash cow
u b won kold mofo
Maybe you should donate all her profits from futures, and royalities to the charity instead of asking for more money
Yea, she stopped using at age 12, right. She was as pure as the freshly driven snow.
Dear Parents of Ms. Winehouse...
Evidently, you did not see or attend the concert at which your daughter could not function on stage... Short of having a sobriety test accomplished at that moment, video evidence shows, confusion, lethargy, loss of coordination and slurring words.
If I were stopped by the police driving a motor vehicle, what would these behavioral characteristics lead one to believe, knowing there is no medical condition that exists to cause them?
Denial my friends, is the first and biggest hurdle to overcome when dealing with drug/alcohol addiction. Denying Amy's demons is the same as lying about it...
Strokes can give you all of those symptoms (in response to your saying there is no medical condition that can cause all of those symptoms) though we know Amy was doped up on something for that concert.
I certainly hope that the foundation wasn't truly dad's first thought upon learning that his daughter had died. But if it was, perhaps that explains some of her abuse issues (a uncaring parent doesn't cause abuse, in my opinion, but I do believe it can make someone who's already prone to it act out even more). Just my opinion.
Drug abuse slander is often used by a disgruntled employee against others when they are at fault or get fired. It fuels depression and clinical anxiety in a recovering person. It also influences public opinion and raises the perils of The Drug War. Next the old Nixon O.N.D.P.C., relics kick in over pain medication and more horror stories brew. In Montrose Colorado I went to a dental surgeon who removed a molar in pieces -didn't write any pain medication due to DEA pressure. Her words were "take X-lax and go to N.A." An occsional RX after surgery isn't the same as heroin from Afghanistan and isn't fueling shoot-outs on the border! America needs a realistic Drug Policy approach and program.
Sounds like you have a sadistic "Dr giggles" for a dentist. I routinely go to the dentist and when I had to have my tooth repaired due to a cracked molar, I paid for anesthesia, happy gas and yeah a scrip for pain meds (in Iowa) it may not be your state but that dr–if they are worried about the DEA then they have been busted for writing too many pain med scrips–but you can get unscheduled pain meds and no one would tell you to take ex lax for pain–that is bs. Ex lax is for constipation and evidently the person was telling you that you were full of sheeet. At the very least they would tell you to take Ibuprophen or Tylenol–and they certainly could write you a scrip for about 800 mg and just limit the dosage to 5 days with no refill. Find a different dentist/oral surgeon.
Soo, alcohol si not a drug, ok. Drink half of a bottle of Black Label and you will see. Alcohol, 2nd worst drug ever, meth #1.
Who cares if it's a drug or not. It can negative side effects if abused. WE GET THAT.
Is gasoline a drug? One can get pretty messed up from drinking it. And it can be dangerous to operate a vehicle after drinking gasoline.
I mean, since you're more bent on definition than you are about the aftermath.
A person who drank gasoline won't be driving a car–they will probably be dying. But this article starts with the premise by the dad that Amy did not do drugs, she drank so this is an article about denial and everyone who calls the dad and alcohol out is justified in doing so–as for the aftermath –it might HAVE changed –had Amy and those who claimed to love her recognized the dangers of her drug of choice and intervened instead of writing it off because it was legal. How many people have to die of drugs and alcohol not mixing ? Besides the famous it is happening to a lot of people and the reason it is happening is that a lot of people do not understand that alcohol is a drug and is often contraindicated (could kill you) if taken with other drugs–legal or NOT. You need to stop trying to blast everyone who comments on alcohol being a drug–because that denial is what this blog is about–and maybe get help from your drinking problem yourself–you are far too defensive about what alcohol is–defensiveness is often another sign of denial.
"It can negative side effects if abused."
Actually it can have negative side effects no matter if the user abuses the drug or not.
amy was a major talent...to bad everyone around her cared about what she could do for them, instead of the other way around...my grandpa says, "if you have even one or two good friends that you can depend on 24/7 and they can depend on you...life is great....if you have no one who you help no matter what and visa versa, life will pummel you daily.
I loved Amy – what a beautiful soul! Peace and comfort to her family and friends.
ahhh cant see!! blinded by the cfl's!!!
Good lord...make him watch the videos of his child on stage staggering around and such. That should at the VERY LEAST be the price her parents should pay. Let them watch that spectacle and then make the same claims. Amy Wine house was failed by everyone around her...chief amongst those are her own parents.
the first thing he thought of was "The Amy Winehouse Foundation" cha ching$$$$$
Thought the same thing!
Dear FG, Lagos, and Thinking Cap: Thank you, thank you, thank you! Yes, alcohol IS a drug.
Everytime I hear someone say drugs and alcohol I shudder. AA will tell you the same thing
They tell that to everyone who comes to them whether it is the alcoholic or the family. Not
only is alcohol a drug but it a DANGEROUS drug. It is legal, and anyone can buy it from any
establishment that sells it. By no stretch of the imagination is that to say that everyone who
every takes a drink is a drug addict, but the hard truth is that many people become addicted
to alcohol just like others do to cocaine. The results are often disastrous not only for them
but for the people who love them and for anyone who becomes the victim of their abusive
So, uh... people who are addicted to video games or filthy magazines are drug addicts too? You know... since it's habit forming?
The problem with the dad's logic is that alcohol IS the WORST DRUG of all i.e. more deaths each year due to alcohol than all other drugs combined and a far greater $ cost to society due to alcohol than all other drugs combined! So he is making the common mistake of thinking alcohol isn't a 'drug' when it is!
And the definition of what alcohol is changes..... what exactly?
Thanks hero. But you haven't exactly made a difference by making this public service announcement.
B.S. She was definitely drugged in Serbia. That was no alcohol intoxication.
it's librium, not liprium. what people should know and what i know is that going cold turkey after extensive alcohol use has these effects: extreme shakes (the body's nervous system chemicals are all messed up from being depressed and have to re equilibrate), elevated blood pressure, elevated heartrate.. that is the first day/night. second night/day is cold clammy skin, extreme sweats, still elevated heart rate, still high blood pressure. those two nights, you my try to go to sleep, but your body may forget to tell your lungs to breathe. you almost have to stay awake both nights or you could die from something like sleep apnea. third day/night the heart rate and pulse go down and is much better, shaking goes down, and sweats go down. you can finally sleep without worrying about dying due to your involuntary breathing not working.
I can tell you must have had this before, as did I. If anyone reads this, the risk of death coming off alcohol is very real. Librium is given as a tranquilizer to stop the seizures from happening. I had withdrawals for about a week once, and had no idea what was going on. I literally felt like I was going to have a heart attack. Yes, I drank a lot, but I had no idea alcohol could do this to you. I relapsed a month later and went to the emergency room. They gave me Librium intravenously, and had to re-hydrate me because I couldn't hold food or water in over five days. It took over two weeks to stop shaking. People need to be informed about this.
So... when did alcohol stop being a drug?
But no – let's keep lumping marijuana, which hasn't killed a single person from its use alone – under the same umbrella as the poison meth-heads make from chemicals found under your sink. Let's separate alcohol from drugs, and keep tobacco – rich and tar and carcinogens – legal and available soon after high school.
Yes, I used a hyphen where I should have put a comma, and used "and" when I wanted "in".
Please use those typos to help detract your focus from the validity and logic of my post. 🙂
Sorry, Thinking Cap, but I just can't see your point. I can't get past the over-use of hyphens... and that "rich and tar" is just killin' me.
Good post – great reply to your own post.
Because the alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical companies own congress. Do you think the alcohol lobbyists want to see marijuana legalized? Hell no. What about Pfizer? Not if they can help it.
The federal government should be downright ashamed of their archaic policies toward drug use. Now, if only I could guarantee that drug money goes towards bombing some poor country, the great USA would be all for it. The past is destined to be repeated.
The only "natural drugs" are the ones produced by the body without any outside substance. All others be they pharmaceutical or herbal either act with or against the body BUT are not produced by the body. FYI most pharmaceuticals were natural drugs and either contain natural products or are assayed to define their chemical composition. After the chemicals are broken down, companies make the chemicals from another source and then sell it. They do this because natural products cannot be patented. This means that salicylic acid which is aspirin and can be gotten from Willow bark is defined by a chemical name because when a natural product is first mimicked by Big pharm, they can only patent their version of the natural product they cannot actually patent a tree or plant or mineral because they cannot control access.
Marijuana is not legal because there is no way to control commerce and make money off of it–those who did not want to pay for it through drug stores or med centers would simply grow their own. The government is not likely to legalize something that they cannot profit from and pharmaceutical and insurance companies and hospitals (the largest lobbies in the US) do not want products on the market that could undermine their businesses.
Just think of all the self medicating for pain, stress and recreational use that would go on if it was legal–and all of it without a person having to go the dr to get a Rx, or to the hospital and think of all the sales tax NOT collected by the government....NEVER gonna happen.
Newsflash: Alcohol is a drug.
No one cars about your news flash.
Yeah, Anderson Cooper should have called him out on that. Alcohol is not some magical substance totally unlike all other intoxicants. I also highly doubt she only had alcohol in her system.
Her father says she was free from drugs for three years and her problem was now alcohol. This creates a lot of confusion amongst people. Alcohol is a drug. This should not be confused. Any mind or mood altering substance entering an addicts body, whether a narcotic or not, can release the addiction all over again. Someone who continually uses drugs or alcohol, (an addict), falls into the grip of getting and using and finding and wanting more. Librium is a drug used in medical detox facilities. Rarely do we see Librium used without medical supervision in a clinical setting. These are just the facts.
Yes, because making sure the definition is equal for both is important and changes everything!
Yay! Let's argue semantics!
If people are "confused" about the definition of alcohol, then we have a much bigger problem. It's common knowledge the negative effects it can have if abused. Sitting here and smugly announcing that "alcohol IS a drug" isn't going to fix the problem.
You're the kind of person that would witness a car accident, and instead of helping the individual who was just ejected onto scalding hot pavement through the windshield, you'd stand over them lecturing them about the importance of wearing a seat belt. After you watch them die slowly from the pain of listening to you drone on about vehicle safety, you'd go home and tell all two of your friends about how you tried to save someone's life.
I'm glad I'm not you.
Actually moron, Librium is prescribed more often than not to people as outpatients to take at home. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Kyle: actually Fb would be the kind of person who would comment after reading about the death of the person ejected. Amy is not dying–she's dead but since you seem to think FB should have done something, what did you do (and how did it go so horribly wrong) to help Amy with her addiction?
She was garbage and a waste of life..Everyone has such nice things to say about this girl now that she is gone but while she was alive she was a joke of a person.. Everyone is so fake but me I will say who cares she made her own bed she was and never will be a role model. Fell bad for your kids if you look up to this girl
Thanks for the input Scoot. You're the only real one here. Yeeeeeeaaah. Cynical, cruel haters are the only real ones.
unless alcohol somehow has stopped being a drug, then yes, she had been doing drugs for the past three years.
I wonder how many more master geniuses felt the need to announce that alcohol is a drug as though it changes, you know, anything at all about it's properties.
Thank you master genius. Your input is greatly appreciated and will turn back time. Your efforts will be instrumental in making the world a different place.
Brown Note: Alcohol is a drug, you know.
for 3 years??? clueless....then she drank a HELL of a lot of booze....a HELL of a lot
Yea and Casey Anthony didnt murder her kid lol
She was on something at her last concert. Alcohol is a drug, you know.
It's a drug? OH MY GOD! REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Had she known that, then her life would have been saved!
Thanks, hero. You know, for altering the course of human history from this point forward.
Brown Note: Are you really Mitch Winehouse?
She may have gotten drugs free.
Yeah, Amy Winehouse didn't do drugs in 3 years like Michael Jackson never molested kids....
Oh you're correct on both. Good for you.
Evel, I hate to admit it, but, that made me chuckle! Shame on me! LOL (you & Mad, really, are the best! 😉 )
Lol..damn that's cold
I think it may have been a bad reaction with the detox drug. Either way, I miss Amy! She was a great talent. And instead of trading in Gaga for Amy, I would trade Kesha, Chris Brown, Justin Beiber, Lil Wayne, Miley Cyrus, and a few others just for Amy! RIP
everyone you listed should follow Amy Crackhouse....
@ Frank Vargas........ Frank what did Dr Drew do?
Going cold turkey off alcohol and drugs can result in the body having seizures. The moment that it was announced that she might have died from detoxing, Dr. Drew dissapeared on t.v. and interviews. How convenient Dr. Drew....
@Diane ~ Check the guide where Oprah used to be. I hope this helps.
Actually, TVFirstLook is a really good source for TV shows (reviews, recaps, news, stats, previews).
Congrats to Amy on 49 days of sobriety today.
Just plain wrong but funny nonetheless. LMAO
Waitwhat is right. Just plain wrong, but had me laughing out loud too.
Yeah, me too. Wrong, and I'm pretty sure you're going to rot in hell for all eternity – but so damned funny 😉
there is nothing wrong with being accurate....she was the very definition of a junkie....now, at least she doesn't try to sing anymore....she sounded like a cat being repeatedly slammed into a wall...
It doesn't matter if your rich and famous.... You can not turn a blind eye to your kids or other loved ones if their using drugs. If you do your going to lose them. Be tough and be strong.Your kids need you!!
The contraction of "you are" is "you're," not "your." The contraction of "they are" is "they're," not "their." Now, go out and be literate! Really, are public schools in this country this bad?
Amy Winehouse is now known to have had Librium (e.g. valium) and alcohol in her system as well as suffering chronic emphysema after years of smoking drugs and tobacco. Ms. Winehouse was "loaded" at her Balkans comeback concert. She was known to use prescription medications to control her anxiety before public performances. It begs the question was the "seizure" an unitentional drug interaction from an addict still abusing. "nuf said.
Too bad we cant trade in Gaga and Chris Brown to get Amy back.
@Anderson Fartley – why would you wish death on these people? Did they do you wrong to wish death on someone?
Bad Karma......tisk tisk
Librium isn't the same as valium, it's the drug her father was talking about to help control her seizures.
Right on, Anderson Fartley!!! I totally agree!
Right Catherine. Librium is the brand name for chlordiazepoxide, Valium is the brand name for diazepam. Both are benzodiazepines with the same actions on the brain, but Librium is used for alcohol withdrawals because of its extremely long duration of activity (this MAY give it a lower propensity for abuse compared to Valium because it would be less likely to produce a high level of drug in the blood and the "euphoria" or "drunk" feelings that go with it). As far as a seizure from a drug interaction is concerned, it would be most likely if she was abusing stimulants like cocaine or amphetamine, although taking Librium would reduce the risk of seizures (benzos like Valium ad Ativan) are used for seizure control) Now if she had STOPPED drinking abruptly after very heavy long term drinking (i.e. daily for quite awhile, which is definitely likely considering what her pops is saying) and wasn't on a good dose of Librium, THAT'S the recipe for withdrawal seizures and the infamous "delirium tremens", or DTs. Regardless of the reason, it's a real lousy situation, and being only 25 myself, is another unsettling dose of the reality of how too many drug/alcohol abuse situations end. Hope you all enjoyed my nerdy doctor spiel.
Info source: Wikipe...ahhhhh, just kidding, I'm a pharmacist (albeit one who does like Wikipedia)
"chronic" emphysema as opposed to what ..." acute" emphysema . Be a proud pharmacist...not an fake MD. You are are just perpetuating a really stupid interview and equally stupid posts.
Randy: You didn't tell us anything that any non-moron didn't already know. 25 year old pharmacist hey? I doubt it. If you are, I feel sorry for the people you treat. You know a few basics about librium and post like you know it all. I LOLd.
So many people have such low self esteem combined with bitterness that it is impossible for them to believe an actual pharmacist or lawyer or doctor would post online and then they attack someone who says they are one. Reverse elitism? Whatever the credentials of the poster..why blast him/her? who really cares? If the information is accurate learn from it–by now most of you should have PDRs and be able to look up this stuff or google it. At any rate, the girl was on drugs–be it alcohol, prescription meds or illegal substances–when it comes to the deleterious effects on a body, people should stop trying to act like if one is using "legal meds" or just drinking alcohol–that they are immune from the detrimental effect of drugs. YOU AREN't. And there are a lot of famous folks like Jackson, Amy, Colbain, Ledger, Britney, Joplin, etc to back that up.
Everyone: Pharmacists do not "Treat" anyone, they compound and dispense prescription drugs. LOL
Amys was a true talent gone way to soon.
are you one of her crack buddies coming to her defense? You'd have to be hopped up on something serious to think Crackhouse had any talent...
Her music and life-style may not be to your taste, but most people recognise that she was talented.
She was not talented. She was a train wreck that everyone wanted to watch. But she was not a true talent.
I agree. You only have to listen to the intro to "back to black" to understand using one's voice like that and making it do what is called a "ripple" takes true talent–people practice for years and cannot produce such fluctuation in tone–Amy was truly talented but like many she loved to listen to (like Billie Holiday) she was flawed to the point of being her own worse enemy–BUT that does not change the fact that she was talented.
Sorry Mitch.... but the ten years of heavy durg use may have had something to do with her passing.
Is that your generic answer, Mr./Ms. Medical Examiner?
Many people do not realize that once you stop taking drugsm the affects linger in your body forever. You have already started doing damage from day one. Just because it doesn't show up until later does not matter. My sister had stopped taking drugs for years and years, but one day she had a heart attack and it was because of the damage the drugs had previously done to her body that were not evident until later. It will all catch up to you eventually. Just don't do drugs or alcohol and you give yourself a chance.
I cannot find Anderson Cooper's new daytime show on any of my Comcast channels. Can you tell me the time and channel?
Why would anyone want to watch that horror show?
Diane, on TVFirstLook there is a link to Anderson's show, which includes local listings.That's TVFirstLook dot com.
Yes Jan, cus you don't like something the rest of the world must hate it to.
Sci Fi channel
I thought it was on Logo.
What else is a parent going to say?
If she would have said yes, yes, yes to rehab instead of no, no, no, there would have been someone there to monitor her while coming off alcohol. It's a well known fact that detoxing from Alcohol is actually more dangerous then detoxing off most other drugs!
Medically, alcohol is considered a drug.
Sorry Mitch, alcohol is a drug...
Amy Winehouse was not an attractive man. He kind of looked like an anorexic superman in drag.
What's your point, Brown Note? That alcohol isn't a drug? That is is and that's obvious so why is everybody pointing it out? If the former you are wrong. If the latter, it's because Winehouse's dad seems to believe the former. Either way, put down the bottle yourself and try to write some coherent thoughts here, or else just STFU.
Alcohol (EtOH) is a food not, a drug. It's metabolized like pancakes or beefsteak.
There's nothing else like it. You can't get a fat ass from cocaine or a beer belly from
There isn't a river in Egypt called the Nile.... There isn't a river in Egypt called the Nile.... There isn't a river in Egypt called the Nile.... Now I believe it..
It's "librium" not "liprium" you morons.
.. and the detoxing alcoholic doesn't take "1 a day," they take 25mg 4 times a day unless it's so bad that they give it to you intravenously.
Hey THE BROWN NOTE: Thanks for your continual attempt to make a point. Now go back to being Quincy's assistant on Nick at Nite and STFU..
why do complete morons always say first
The only brown is coming out of your azz.
LIES are NEVER the answer. A "good parent" would say–"I regret that I also was in denial of the many problems of my daughter and I'm speaking out now , holding up myself and Amy as a cautionary tale–don't let my story be your story–when you see your child headed for the abyss of drugs or another addiction, don't just stand by and watch or applaud or pretend she/he is okay–" INTERVENE!! Britney's dad did and maybe that is why Ms Spears is still pulling in air and Ms Winehouse IS DEAD. Dad acts like he was afraid she would stop giving him money–well, he has the money now (maybe) but his beautiful and talented daughter is DEAD.
colonialboy: A chemistry major you are not. Substances are not catagorized as food or drugs by if you can gain weight or not–you can get fat as hell on steroids like Methylprednisolone but that does not mean they become foods. Alcohol is designated as a drug due to the parts of the brain it acts on and how it impairs or affects a person physiologically. When describe medicine as "drugs" it is because once ingested, they do not provide sustenance but act on the body allopathically.
And I know you probably do not understand what THAT means but the bottom line is due to the chemical activities of alcohol as well as other DRUGS–alcohol IS a drug and has been classified as such for DECADES.
First of all, alcohol IS a drug... secondly, if you take drugs for 10 years and totally ruin your body with them, even if you quit for 10 years, they can still affect you and this is what I think happened to her.
Very true. Maybe no drugs (maybe) but she was on something very strong at her last concert in Eastern Europe. She was far worse than Elvis in Hawaii in 1977, and he was very, very messed up.
Drug free for years???????? Yah, right
Apparently Amy died of "natural causes"..........at 27 yrs of age........