July 13th, 2010
03:53 PM ET

Behind the Scenes on 'Showbiz Tonight': Defending Mel Gibson

Just when the “Showbiz Tonight” staff thought we'd heard all the tapes with the alleged voice of Mel Gibson absolutely tearing into the mother of his love child, Oksana Grigorieva, out pops a third.  CNN has not independently confirmed the authenticity of the recordings.

In the tapes we’ve heard so far, the breathless man purported to be Gibson screams with piercing rage and seems to threaten Grigrorieva saying, “I'll put you in the f*****g rose garden, you c***!” He also launches into a rant where he drops the n-word as well as statements degrading to women. Then in the third audio released today, the male voice uses the term “w******s” in an argument over an employee who takes care of a child.

If you were sitting in our morning meeting today, you’d be hard-pressed to find a staffer who would defend Gibson's  alleged actions and words in those tapes, but today, there are actually people who say Gibson's not entirely at fault (if it proves to be his voice).

Despite the alleged racial rants, Whoopi Goldberg has said she doesn’t believe Gibson’s a racist, and psychologists all over the airwaves believe he might actually have a severe mental ailment that needs to be addressed immediately.

When we asked in the “Showbiz Tonight” exclusive poll if Gibson is done in Hollywood, nearly a third of the voters said no! Even commenters right here on the Marquee blog defended Gibson. Michael posted, “There is certainly a lot of pent-up hostility in Hollywood… Gibson has literally become a human punching bag for the entire industry yet folks like Roman Polanski get a free pass. Go figure.”

And then there are those who question whether  Gibson’s ex, Grigorieva - who denies releasing the tapes - may have set him up for leverage in a bitter custody battle over their love child.

So, do these defenses change your perspective on Gibson’s big mess today? We’re calling in the experts tonight for one fired-up defending Gibson debate.

In more legal drama, Sandra Bullock is in the news again thanks to Jesse James’ porn star ex-wife, Janine Lindemulder. Bullock is being dragged into their custody fight over their daughter, Sunny, who Bullock had been a stepmother to throughout her marriage to James.

In court papers just filed, Lindemulder is outraged that James is moving with Sunny to Austin, Texas, to be closer to Bullock. Lindemulder alleges that Bullock tried to turn Sunny against her and says the actress would’ve stayed in California if she really wanted to be close to Sunny. So, the big question today: Is this unfair for Bullock to be dragged through the mud in James’ custody dispute with his ex-wife in the first place?

Watch "Showbiz Tonight" live at 5pm today. And remember, we’re still TV’s most provocative entertainment news show seven days a week at 11pm ET/PT!

soundoff (41 Responses)
  1. benjikid

    The Gibby guy is one complete sicko. But I'll give him this. He is the handsomest Jew hater ever. Helen Thomas is the ugliest. Even professional help wont do! He needs a labotomy! lol. WWJS... What would Jesus say about Melsy boy?

    July 29, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Report abuse |
  2. John Brock

    Mel is just being human. Who has not had a few drinks and lashed out in verbal anger to their significant other in a long term relationship? Who? Who? NO ONE. WE HAVE ALL DONE IT. You say "well I would never say such things." Bull! If we were all taped secretly while having a nasty verbal fight, particularly if the other one "sets us up", like the user, gold digger girlfriend, pushing his buttons, we would be so ashamed. But it's real. And women are usually the worst, when it comes to very nasty verbal abusive things said in an argument. I feel so sorry for Mel. He is a wonderful man, a man who loves God, and a man I have always wanted to know and meet. His very worst side is coming out, under the influence, after being prodded and pushed to the limit by her, who KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING, and then when all the arguments are put together, one after the other, it's pretty intense. What if all of OUR secretive, very nasty and hot arguments with our spouses were put out there for all to hear, when we were drunk, were heard one after the other (even though done over a period of time), we could be crucified, too. Our society LOVES a scandal, evidenced by all the "magazine" shows, who do nothing but gossip like little girls, and gossip has even made it on the Today show, and other supposedly straight news shows! Unbelievable! Of course that was evidenced when "journalists" did everything possibly to destroy Sarah Palin, while NEVER reporting anything bad on that imposter Obama. That was the most shameful thing I have ever witnessed in my life! Anyway, Mel is a very good man, just human, and I believe that the truth WILL come out, that this was all a set up by his user girlfriend who knew what buttons to push, and got him drunk, and then taped him, so she could get millions. And that's the truth.

    July 22, 2010 at 10:55 am | Report abuse |
  3. Nancy

    Mel simply get yourself together. You probably came to the conclusion awhile back that this is NO LADY!
    With your experience in a very rough business you should have known better. Move on and do not for a minute think it's the end of your career......we will continue to see you on screen, directing or acting.Good Luck ! Stay away from the users. Plus, she really is very unattractive!

    July 22, 2010 at 2:40 am | Report abuse |
  4. Mya Symons

    I think we are missing an important part of the story. The judge in the custody case ordered those tapes suppressed and there was a gag order that Oksana could not talk about them. However, often evidence used in a criminal case ends up to be public information–(it is a rule in criminal cases that after the case is over it is public domain). So, the question is: "Was the judge in the civil suit ever going to turn these tapes over to the authorities so they could launch a criminal investigation?" I don't believe a criminal investigation (into domestic violence or child abuse) was ever going to happen until Oksana leaked those tapes to Radar Online. If that is the case, then she, as a mother, definately did the right thing.

    July 20, 2010 at 2:18 pm | Report abuse |
  5. Harleygrl

    I love the way people defend his "right" to say whatever he wants to the mother of his child, because it was supposedly said "in private". Well, GUESS WHAT – he HIT HER "in private", too. Men like Mel Gibson don't act this way in public, they wait until no one can see them, they are like the school bully who only attacks his schoolmates when the teacher's not around. Mel Gibson is crazy. He's an alcoholic and he's crazy. Who knows if he's always been like this, or has just become like this lately, it really doesn't matter. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that this is the first time he's ever hit a woman who "deserved it", as he says, and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that this is the first time a woman in his life has been threatened with violence. I hope Oksana gets the restraining order that she desperately needs, this fool of a man is capable of ANYTHING.

    July 20, 2010 at 10:57 am | Report abuse |
    • Izzysmom

      If you hit someone hard enough to break their teeth, don't you think there would be a busted lip or some type of bruising on her face?

      July 21, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Report abuse |
  6. Lauren

    I am against any man abusing a woman.I am also against any woman taking a man for all she can.
    After watching the news intently and reading extensively about this fiasco, I've come to the conclusion that this "Octomom-looking-thing" is a poor excuse of a human being. She is conniving and deceitful, she has altered the tapes to suit her goal-–take him for all she can! KARMA, lady....keep that in mind.

    July 19, 2010 at 3:28 am | Report abuse |
  7. Craig

    My previous statement still stands......but am still shocked that so many don't see through this evil womens motives......
    and I hate all this news with people being so shocked and offended.......many of us have been involved or known someone involved in a relationship with a manipulator.......She should be charged for releasing these tapes.....we should find out how much she was paid......and see how much money he has spent trying to make her happy......

    in the end....she pushed his buttons and then pressed the record button.......

    July 18, 2010 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
  8. Jim

    It is painful to watch a woman tear out a man's heart.She should have said "thank you" when Mel paid for her fantasy record deal.They were in a relationship. I would have to believe Mel simply wanted to take care of her. She obviously see's that aging rich ol'Mel just wants to make her happy no matter the cost and so she is going to ride it for all its worth Mel should cut her loose, put up a trust for the baby... watch from a distance and insure the proper care is provided and go forward with his own life. He is getting a raw deal, as with any story, there are two sides... Looks like any woman that knows how to twist and turn and push a mans button can get away with anything she wants...but whats new about that?

    July 16, 2010 at 5:48 pm | Report abuse |
  9. beenz

    Has Mel's ex-wife Robyn come forward at all regarding all this?

    July 15, 2010 at 12:54 pm | Report abuse |
  10. patty denneny

    We do not know the whole story, I am sure.

    Look at what O.J. Simson did to his ex wife and her friend Ron Goldman, and he still got acting jobs and jobs. If mel gets control now, this will not affect his career, it will go away. I pray he does get control before he becomes the next O.J. Simpson

    July 15, 2010 at 12:17 am | Report abuse |
  11. Lakeisha

    we can see your true colors.. shining thru...

    July 14, 2010 at 4:33 pm | Report abuse |
  12. CIndy

    help – I really, really do not know what a w********s is... can someone give me a hint without being flagged?

    July 14, 2010 at 1:29 pm | Report abuse |
  13. Bella

    I stand behind Mel Gibson. There is something really wrong with a women who plays games recording phone calls like she did with this one. It's like she got him all roused up but we didn't get to here what she had to say which could have been much worse. Even then, he has the right to say what he wants in his own home and we all know this is one of those things where it's said out of anger only. Nobody should be offended and honestly, it's not smart of her, it's backhanded, and shows just what kind of person she really is. Judging by her attention seeking tactics with the phone, she seems to be the conniving type who likes to push peoples buttons until they snap. Mel Gibson most likely has a right ot be mad.

    July 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm | Report abuse |
  14. Frank

    Oh it really does sound like him. My concern is who sold the tape to radar? If you feel so sorry for the girlfriend, don't be so sympathetic. I had a girlfriend like her. Cool , calm and collected. She drove me to the point (emotionally) of crashing my car into a wall. Has anybody even remembered Richard Pryor or Sam Kineson? These guys spoike from experience and you all LAUGHED! Sure Mel Gibson is a racist, Narcississ and self centered. But don't you think that the fame and power you've given him has given him the illusion that he can get away with it?

    July 14, 2010 at 11:57 am | Report abuse |
  15. shennema

    Are black people racist because they call each other the n word? Its in all of their music, on tv, it is like a curse word that gets contageous. She may have called him and used the words first. She is no angel here, yeah sonny lets blame the victim, I think he is the victim here. She gives women a bad name, gold digger, leaks tapes to try to ruin his career. She is sicker than him, sorry.

    July 14, 2010 at 11:41 am | Report abuse |
  16. sheryl

    Who knows what she said to him to get him so mad, She is disgraceful exposing these tapes, her motivation is to ruin him but she has little disregard for their daughter. How pathetic. I am on Mel's side on this. Why would he say things like he did without her planting the seed to say so. Showbiz is always making assumptions without the facts that is why they use allegedly in every story they cover. I wonder if she black mailed him first and because he wouldn't give her money, she released the tapes, she appears to be a goal digger.

    July 14, 2010 at 11:13 am | Report abuse |
  17. Atta boy Mel

    First – she is a star f'er. She went after Mel for her Baby Daddy to get that child support.

    Second – he wised up to her ways. He did not want to marry her, but wanted to support their child

    Three – she is "weaponizing" their child in this fight, and the child will be the only one who suffers for it.

    Four – if anyone actually listens to these bogus tapes, it doesn't sound like Mel, and she sounds like she is reading from a script. It's B.S. , pure and simple. She's a gold digging tramp, he is a bonehead yes, but not a villain, not a racist, and not a bad guy.

    July 14, 2010 at 11:02 am | Report abuse |
  18. WordSmith75

    What you hear is someone who is deeply hurt and is trying to hurt the person who caused him hurt. What you hear is someone who needs anger management. As someone who went through a very bad divorce I know there is a very thin line between love and hate and when that love turns bad, it can get very bad very fast. I don't think Mel Gibson is the first one to say things like this and won't be the last. It isn't right and it's hard to hear, but if you listen, you also hear someone who is hurting and is lashing out, in a very ugly way, to the person he perceives as the one who caused the pain, justified or not. He is not a racist. He is just mad as hell and not guarding his mouth. He is human.

    July 14, 2010 at 8:50 am | Report abuse |
    • Mary

      WordSmith75, I believe that some of what you are saying is true. But, he has said too many things against too many different cultures to not be classified as a racist. For instance: when he used the N-word. There were other terms he could have used to make his point about how she dresses (ex. thugs, rapist or just men in general). I truly believe she is doing all of this for money, which is not right. If he actually hit her, she should have taken the tapes to the police.

      July 14, 2010 at 9:45 am | Report abuse |
  19. Noodle

    Not defending vulgaraties and slurs in general at all – and if it turns out to be true that he physically harmed that woman, definitely not defending that – but, hearing those tapes, can you not hear how blindsided he was with her sudden accusations, thinking he was having a private arguement which most couples do, on a tape clearly being made to be leaked? You can tell he began to have it in the back of his mind, being who he is, but was still not completely believing that she could be doing what she was doing, cleary having misplaced trust in her... sick and gross! I agree with Whoopi – if it was all so awful, why wait six months and talk to a gossip site instead of contacting the authorities right away??

    July 14, 2010 at 2:58 am | Report abuse |
  20. Jennifer

    He sounds crazy. Whats with all the panting? He needs major help. Her being a possible gold digger doesn't change that fact. What he said was vile, threatening (more than once), and he admitted to hitting her. Him hitting her (if true) is not excusable just because she may be an opportunistic person. If you are hitting women you either need mental help, or your behavior needs to be rejected by society. We should not be making excuses for it, or it will never cease.

    July 14, 2010 at 12:36 am | Report abuse |
  21. TimT

    I have seen many things said by people when drinking and upset that simply shocked me because they were the last people I would think could say such vulgar things. I think Mel has an anger management problem, if you are so upset that you cannot breath (hyperventilating) then you have issues that need to be addressed immediately.

    IF he guilty of physical abuse then he needs to face the consequence of that – no ifs no buts. Let the police do their job and get to the bottom of it – which makes me wonder why his wife did not call police about the abuse and give the audio tape to police versus the media.

    My gut feeling tells me she is no angel here and based on her history has played Mel beautifully – easier done when he is out of control and so emotional.

    Personally I think both of them need help.

    July 13, 2010 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
  22. William

    I really don't know why people are all over Mel Gibson. First of all there is no proof that that is Mel Gibson on the tape. This is 2010, and there is many, many talented people in the world. You cannot tell me that there isn't not ONE peroson walking this earth that cannot duplicate Mel Gibsons voice. I have many, many associates, that can manipulate their voice, and if you were to close your eyes, you would think they were a completely diffenent person. Now, if that was Mel Gibson, I am not condoning what he did, BUT communication IS a two way street. and I do not believe that people just get mad or say things without being backed into a corner

    As far as his girlfriend, I believe that she is a gold digger. Why would you tape a conversation with your boyfriend (especially a heated one) and say that you didn't leak it? Who does that, without a motive? People have disputes with their spouses everyday, and I am sure that neither one of them (ordinary couple) would tape their conversation unless they were looking for something in return. I believe that she knew exactly what she was doing, and came across as she was the victim.

    No one other that Mel and his girlfriend live together on a day-to-day situation. No one knows what their everyday situations are. No one knows how she is everyday. I hate when a man or woman has a fight, and the woman bats her eyes, and play the innocent roll and all of a sudden everyone is on her side. As I said before, communication is a two way street. Also arguments

    July 13, 2010 at 11:53 pm | Report abuse |
  23. L

    Anyone who has been in a relationship for a long period of time has experienced "private nasty" fights. Words and statements said in the heat of the moment. The fact that she knew she was taping the calls and then providing them to the media should say it ALL. Mel is just being a "real man" with "real feeling" expressing his anger in words to the mother of his youngest child which he though was a private conversation. She is the one the media should be finding disgusting. If it comes true that Mel did hit and hurt her that is another story... If true WHY did she wait so long to bring it to the media????

    July 13, 2010 at 11:45 pm | Report abuse |
  24. Vickie

    Is Mel Gibson bipolar? That sounded like a bipolar bout of rage. Alcohol makes bipolar personality disorder worse. I think the Russian girl is a gold digger.

    July 13, 2010 at 7:55 pm | Report abuse |
    • Larry in CA

      I am no psychiatrist but if you ask me–I know you haven't, but–it sounds to me like a plain old drunken rage. Set-up? Probably, but you know the old saying–(or maybe you don't but it's true) that a drunk says what he really means when he's/she's drunk and loses their inhibitions. One has to admit that after his anti-Semitic rant–to a Jewish cop the dummy–when he's DUI, where he's out of control, and now these recordings, baited or not, those are horrific things to say. He probably needs both AA and serious psychiatric help. His pro-Nazi dad likely scrooged with his mind all his life–Mel has refused to refute anything the old lunatic has said, and he has said plenty of offensive stuff. In any case, Mel needs help big-time. His girlfriend deserves nothing, and some sane people who will take care of the child should be appointed by a judge. Neither of these two winners should be raising a child.

      July 31, 2010 at 11:13 pm | Report abuse |
  25. Stephen Real

    I Forgive Mel Gibson

    "We may see the shadow in others and,
    if we dare,
    know it in ourselves.
    Mostly, however, we deny it in ourselves
    and project it onto others.
    It can also have a life of its own, as the Other.
    A powerful goal that some undertake is
    to re-integrate the shadow, the dark side,
    and the light of the 'real' self.
    If this can be done effectively,
    then we can become 'whole' once again,
    bringing together that which was
    once split from us."
    – Carl Jung

    "The glory of Christianity is to conquer by forgiveness"
    -William Blake

    July 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm | Report abuse |
  26. Craig

    I think what he is saying is nasty.......but.......yes I said but......although unforgivable....listen to her voice......she is bating him.......she is using a mono tone voice........and baiting him......shes a gold digger and using this to get money......think of the nasty things you have said and didn't mean while angry or drinking.......I believe she is setting him up.......he should not have used those hatfull words but he is lashing out.......If he hit her....thats somthing he should be held accountable for.....but did she go to the police then....no....she saved it for the big run at the cash.......peace

    July 13, 2010 at 6:40 pm | Report abuse |
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  28. K

    No matter what.Its sad anyway you look at it.Yet,and I was not apparently the only one who noticed this.Watching NBC's Today Show.Wasn't she strangely calm?All that is being heard, is this person all wound up on one end of the line.Makes one wonder what she sounded like,perhaps, before she began taping.Did they know they were being taped?If it is Mel.He is not the only one who needs professional help.I think court ordered evaluation would be optimal for both parties.

    July 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm | Report abuse |
  29. N

    Nevermind. Someone just told me. My eyes = popped out.

    July 13, 2010 at 4:48 pm | Report abuse |
  30. N

    What's a "w******s?" I'm not trying to be insensitive, I just haven't heard the clip myself (I don't really want to), so could someone rephrase "w******s” with an SFW synonym?

    July 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm | Report abuse |
    • K

      I turned off the volumn,once they began reporting it at 7am.No one likes to hear argueing,period.I still do not know what that means and I have a pretty slang savy teen.I am guessing I do not want to ,if it shocked you.

      July 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm | Report abuse |
  31. Alix Bawlf

    There is a good 12 step program for him, it's called AA.

    July 13, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
  32. Victor

    If those tapes do turn out to be real and that is really Mel Gibson spouting all that garbage I think he should get some professional help soon. All these rants do not sound like something a devout catholic who built a church on his own backyard would be screaming at the mother of his child. Also, Danny Glover, who starred with Gibson on all the Leathal Weapon films has never said a bad word about Mel in all these years, and proudly called him friend in many interviews. Even Whoopi Goldberg is coming out saying that he is her friend and that he isn't racist.

    I feel people are being too quick to judge before any of these claims have been proven true. Kind of reminds me of what happened with Michael Jackson, all the bad media got the spotlight, but when he was acquitted no one would listen to the truth.

    I hope my gut feeling is right and that those tapes are proven to be false.

    July 13, 2010 at 4:27 pm | Report abuse |
    • Emily Rivers

      There are parts that sound like him, and other parts that do not. I still say that whatever two "angry" people say to one another should be private. Heaven help me if everything I say to my husband was recorded. I don't use racial slurs, but I bet I've used just about every ugly word in the book (at least the ones I know) If she was so upset with the things he is supposed to have said, why didn't she give the tapes to the police? I don't trust her. If he said those things, he was probably so drunk and angry that he didn't know what he was saying. If it's him, obviously he needs help for his own sake. He needs to get her out of his life forever. Why are men who reach his age so eager to attach themselves to such a bimbo?

      July 13, 2010 at 5:47 pm | Report abuse |
    • ME

      I listened to the tapes and I don't know if that is really Mel Gibson.

      Tapes getting to the media is not an accident.

      Instigating someone in an argument while taping them seems shady.

      Are these tapes admissible in a court of law?

      July 13, 2010 at 9:45 pm | Report abuse |
  33. Beth

    Mel Gibson, in what PR folks are calling a terrible decision, is going to produce, direct, star and self-finance Braveheart 2: The Jews and Blacks Storm Malibu.

    Read this hilarious article about the movie.



    July 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |

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