June 18th, 2010
12:01 PM ET
T-Pain: Only Susan Boyle is selling records
Looks like T-Pain won’t need Jay-Z’s help in plotting the “Death of Auto-Tune.”
The ‘rapper turnt singer’ claims he won't release his forthcoming album, "RevolveR," or any other projects until he sees a spike in album sales.
"I got the mastered version of my album in my car right now," T-Pain told MTV News. "But I'm not bringing my album out until these artists start selling records again, 'cause ain't nobody selling records unless you Susan Boyle."
And while his website features promos for "RevolveR," but you won't get to hear it unless you start spending on music. "I'm not bringing out no album, not dropping no more new singles until people start selling records again, and that's the approach I think everybody should take unless you Susan Boyle or Miley Cyrus," the artist said.
What do you think? Does T-Pain have a point or is he making excuses?
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here i'll say it plain and simple for everyone to understand, YES, T-Pain uses auto-tune...YES, he sounds amazing without it too...YES, he might have some songs that don't agree with your personal style preferences, but he's still a good musician...YES, he also does rap...NO, his decision on waiting to put out any more albums is a bad idea, artists lose loyal fans and contributors if they dont keep up. That's that, the only other thing I can say if you dont agree with me and you still want to hate on todays music, I've found out that the more jealous you are of something, the more you hate it. Easy said. JEALOUSY=HATE
Now, I'm not going to lie: Radio-wise, T-pain has always kind of sucked. With the exception of "I'm Sprung", "Church", and "Can't Believe it" (along with some of his cameos), T-Pain's radio music has always been mostly stupid and pointless. But if you people would give T-Pain a chance and just listen to one of his first two albums ("Thr33 Ringz" was not all that impressive), you would see that T-Pain can make more than just idiotic Pop music.
I actually haven't seen it yet, but regardless...Do you people really think that you can judge an artist soley on ONE performance? The answer is...HELL NO! One performance does not define an artist, and even if T-Pain was as bad as everyone keeps saying, you can't have a perfect performance every time. Hell, I'm sure that even Whitney Houston, Prince, and Michael jackson had their poor performances. Looking at any other T-Pain performance will comepletely disband any rumors that he can't sing.
T-Pain is WAY more talented then you people give him credit for. T-Pain can play both the guitar and the piano, and may be able to play the drums, although i'm not sure about that one. I don't know about you, but I have never seen Ke$ha pick up any sort of musical instrument. T-Pain is also a talented dancer, writer, and music producer who has written for and produced music for several big-name artists. And, of course, he can sing without Auto-Tune. T-Pain did half of his "Epiphany" album without Auto-Tune, and sounded great every time. T-Pain also performs live without Auto-Tune and, with the exception of his VH1 performance, still sounds good. Oh, and about that VH1 performance...
Auto-Tune was a suggestion by T-pain's mentor, Akon, as a method of appealing to a wider market, namely the Pop community. If it wasn't for Auto-Tune, T-Pain would just have been another R&B singer, and you people wouldn't even know what a "T-Pain" is. Thanks to Auto-Tune, however, practically everyone knows who he is, whether you really want to or not. I shouldn't have to prove to you that T-Pain is talented, though. If you people would just get off the radio's jock, and actually listen to one of T-Pain's first two albums, you would see that he is more than just garbage Pop music.
First off, I would like to say that I have been a T-pain fan for quite some time now, and it absolutely kills me to see him going in this direction with his music. His new three singles are all horrible, and the thought of him working with someone like Roscoe Dash make me want to vomit. However, what kills me even more are the claims of T-Pain being "talentless", or that he "can't sing, and just uses Auto-tune to cover up his voice". Both of these claims are completely false. believe it or not, T-pain CAN sing, and doesn't use Auto-Tune to cover up his so-called "crappy" voice.
I like T-Pain, he's fun for dancing. No, the music isn't SMART music, but if you wanna have a good time, you listen to it. I do agree that music sucks these days tho. And I will refuse to buy it unless its worth my money. Right now, T-Pain isn't, Ill listen to him on the radio.
He's right about one thing... Susan Boyle IS selling albums.
Well, at least he has shown us that he's all about the "art" of making music and not in it just for money.
Sorry T pain but you are now seen as a gimmick a fad....his last album was actually pretty good but when he started dissing Jay Z he came of as a little insecure about his "talents." If you dont have faith in your selling ability or niche, how in the hell do you expect listeners to pay for it. You got an album finished and you scared to flop....wow I like the confidence(sarcasm off)
LearnB4YouWrite, well said homey!
Im not a T-pain fan but his "I'm on a boat" and other work on SNL was very funny and deserves some respect. No need to insult him or his music, he is not insulting Susan Boyle or Miley Cyrus. It makes your comments seem ignorant and unwarented.
T- Pain is wearing an at least 2000€ pair of ugly glasses and talkin' smack about not putting out an album til he can cash in on it. What a loser & lame attempt at publicity.
Lady Gaga's "The Fame Monster" album was worth every cent! Came with The Fame CD + 8 new tracks & was very appealing. T-Pain's music hardly appeals to the "general masses".
Susan Boyle actually can sing, jayz would not have any money if not for his satanic infomercial strategy so apparently of the 99 problems rappers have, having no talent is one.
T-Pain ? Never heard of him, so even if he was giving it away, I wouldn't take it.
Jealous of Susan Boyle . . . . who on earth, ever, ever, would have predicted that Susan was going to have such a pop culture impact?
he he he he he
All I know is... pitch correction is getting really old. Let's hear T-Pain sing for real and see if he actually has any talent. Then again, perhaps that's the problem with music these days. Too many talentless fakers. Also, all of us... the public... is to blame for such crap music. Most of you would rather pirate songs than compensate artists for their years of hard work. The record companies, in turn, throw a million "flavor of the week" artists out there to see what sticks instead of investing in GOOD artists because pirating has diminished revenue for them and the artists. So, the artists will only get better if you start buying. But then, why should you pay for something you can get for free, right? Remember that, the next time you go to work and think about YOUR value.
What's the whole deal about T-Pain and his mini cooper anyways?
thats the best news i heard all day !! this no talent nitwit WONT be releasing his garbage – HOORAY !!!!
In an age where great writers and artists such as Sting are relegated to adult contemporary who are we to judge the nature of the current pop market? Pop is directed to the youth, and the youth like what we adults consider trash. Elvis was trash to the adults back in the day and the Beatles were vilified as well. Once the youth of the generation that embraced them got older, then they hated the effects of Madonna. Madonna's youth and the kids of the 80's now whine about the drivel that is put out today, yet the kids love it. It's not just that the music is trash, it's the lack of connection we have to current music because we've grown more mature. Just think, this junk is going to be classic beats to this generation when they get in their 30's and up as they condemn whatever is being marketed 10-20 years from now. I'll just stick to Sting, Prince, Maxwell, etc., because I think I have taste...to the chagrin of my disagreeing parents.
Excellent point, Eli; It is a generational thing. That said, at least Susan Boyle can SING. T-Pain? Pfftt.. Besides, the longer he holds out, the quicker he'll become a has been.
I think it's quite hilarious that he's holding his album for ransom, when no one really wants or needs to hear it. In a day in age when music is quite disposable and readily available for illegal downloading isn't making some money better than none?
He is going to be waiting a long long time! Auto-tune was just a bad phase in hip hop so say bye bye and hopefully bye to all the crap rap out there.
I usually buy CDs when purchasing music, but I only want music sung by someone with a good voice and that I can understand. Finally, I don't want trash talking. When I am not buying CDs, I buy singles of the oldies and make my own compositions of songs. The Internet makes it possible for me to get the songs I want to listen to on one CD.
You can tell he's hurting because he's wear Louis Vuitton goggles. Is there a more powerful statement for a struggling artist.
well another artist down and alot more to go... pop music has lost a true audience ... since the demographic is 25 and under and that generation as a whole changes as quickly as one might change their underwear you will not sell albums... i love punk rock yeah alot of people can say we could not play our instruments (and i couldn't for the first year) we had passion about what we were doing and gave a great live show. where is that anymore?? where is the passion for a message in the music??
LOL! People over the age of 40 probably didn't buy his music before so what if different now.
tpain is just making a fool of him self. " I AINT BRINGING OUT NO ALBUM UNLESS ARTISTS START SELLING AGAIN AND IF YOU SUSAN BOYLE AND MILEY CYRUS" step up "yo" english
i believe real music is coming back, like josh brogam, susan boyle , ladyantebellum and lots of others. this guy is junk
This is a permanent issue- I don't know why T-Pain would wait to put his album out. He is quite correct that the female tween and older female demographics are the most likely to purchase CDs and downloads as opposed to copying or illegally downloading music. Any artist whose main appeal is to teen males needs to lower his/her sights with regards to album sales, Maybe he should work on improving his live performances or selling more merchandise if all he wants is money.
I never heard of this so called "artist"- he is correct though that Susan Boyle sells albums- umm- mabe cause she has TALENT? Rap is boring and pretty much dead like another poster said. It is not even as good as disco- at least you could dance to disco.
And, you can SING to Susan Boyle which you cannot do with this guy- pain is a good name for this loser- he is lucky he makes any money at all off his so called "artististy"- hahahahaha
People are tired of rap. It appeals to mainly 15% of the US population. If the music industry wants to sell music, I'd say start marketing to the other 85% again. It is time that rap goes to that special place where disco went. (At least disco was positive and mostly respectful.)
OK where did you get those statistics? Because although I do not particularly care for rap, I'm pretty sure it would not be such an insanely booming industry for record producers and performers if only 15 percent listen to it. Unless those 15 percent consume a heck of a lot more music than the other 85 percent.
I miss the creativity in music and entertainment in-general. You go Susan Boyle and show them how its done.
Susan Boyle is NOT creative. She covers other people's songs on talent shows. She has more attention seeking mental breakdowns than Amy Whinehouse. And frankly,her records sell because the older generation doesn't know how to download or use MP3. It's "scary new age artsy farsty technology" Get it straight before you attack someone who actually enjoys making music. If Susan Boyle was T-pain,she would have killed herself. He has a standard to live up to ( a pathetic cliche poppy one,but still a standard created by someone else)
agreed except Susan Boyle is the furthest thing from 'creative'. Actually, one of the few merits of T-Pain is that he is creative.
Thank goodness your music is horrible........
As a musician, I like to play and record whenever possible because I enjoy it. With this article, it seems that he's doing it for the money. If that's the case, it's not my bag. I think he did find his niche, but does he fall within my musical taste? No for a lot of reasons, but musical taste aside, I lose so much respect for those who appear to be in music for the money. Of course we all want to be financially well off doing what we love to do, but will I stop playing because people aren't buying my albums? Hell no! I do it for the love of the music and the thrill I get from it. I'd love to be able to live off of it, but I'm not letting my passion be blinded by money. Perhaps I've misread the article, but it seems like he's doing this all for the money; if that's the case, then T-Pain is not a musician or an artist, but someone blinded by the glitz that comes with our socially formed "ideal", not idea, of wealth.
He'll change his mind once he realizes he can't afford to go to the strip clubs anymore.
He's probably just using that as an excuse to not release his poorly developed album
Do we care?? NOPE! Trashy..low class-rapper wannabe-turned-singer wannabe-+trashy nobody!
The thing about T-Pain is this... It doesn't really matter if you like him or not. He found a nitch and has definitely milked it. Can't hate a man for earning a living. Plus "real" music and talent is always a matter of taste and opinion. Creativity in music is different today because technology is different than it was 20 years ago. Personally I'm a fan of ALL music, but I have a thing for soul music from the 70's. I wonder what that music would sound like if they had the technology of today. Do I like T- Pain? Not really sure. In some ways I do & in other ways I don't. As an artist myself, I can tell you that the music industry has changed a LOT over the past 10-15 years. Now anyone can produce a project and release it on the internet. There have been a number of very "talented" people who have come out this way. What this has meant for the record companies is this... They are fighting to stay alive. So you get your T-Pains, auto tune Hip Hop, etc. While it may be entertaining, when an artist relies too much on gimmicks and marketing... When the trend becomes out of fashion and your star starts to fade... It is OVER! I truly hope that he has invested some of that fortune he has made.
T-Pain and Kesha are why the music industry is collapsing!!! Artists like them are why albums "don't sell". Really, how long did he think his little act was going to last? The real fact is there is more music available today, by more artists and through more channels then ever before (remember to thank Al Gore for inventing the internet ;-). The industry is no longer a monopoly that forces what we buy and artists like T-Pain and Kesha depended on that – they have nothing real to offer. I agree with Bernard – I love going back and buying albums from established and respectable artists, get into their early stuff. It's new music to me.
Also, use the internet to seek out real artists and music... support indy artists!!!
technology and lazy popstars are ruining the music industry. And of course,some money wise genius decided to call it an "industry" and expected it to always be a cash cow for middle aged greedy producers who do nothing but find the next Timberlake and Britney.
T-Pain, you suck, your music sucks, and yo momma sucks too. FOOL
So let me get this straight....everyhone needs to feel bad for a has been thug becasue he is not making millions selling over processed albums? Sorry but your music is crap, your remixes are crap, and your english stinks like your limited vocabulary.
"thug"? awww,you're cute. Yes,when I think "thug" and "gangster" I certainly think T-pain. He's so Hood. Like Miley! Nothing says street like taking a girl you like to stay in a log cabin,somewhere nice,like in Aspen. And of course nothing says hood like being a guest star on Adult Swim cartoons.
Hey people, haven't you heard? You don't have to know how to sing anymore in order to make it big in the music industry. The criteria is being young and cute! There were people on the blogs making rude and insensitive remarks about Gaborney Sidibe's mother who sings in the subways for a living. She had a chance to sing before the judges of "Do You Think You Have Talent" and she blew them away! That lady can sing and I hope she can fulfill her dream of oneday becoming a great singer. Thank goodness for the Susan Boyles, Aretha Franklins and others who have already become successful without being judged so harshly by society and the music industry.
NO KIDDING! It took this long for this generation to realize that today's recording artist are nothing more than sham artist.
Prince, Elton John, U2 and Stevie are all that's left in the creativity department.
Oh Yea, the industry will collapse overall with the ever growing problem of Black Marketing and Bootlegging.
'cause ain't nobody selling records unless you Susan Boyle."
Hey at least he put a "g" at the end of selling instead of sellin. So maybe he was in his english class on occasion.
No offence but the english language in the USA is not the greatest. When someone says "you a hoe", I'm assuming you're not talking farm implements, or my personal favorite, "I axed you a question". It's ASKED people, not axed. Sorry but poor verbal abilities in a person only shows their ignorance and their below average education.
I agree, completely.
Actually akst is the old english way to say it. It's actually the proper way to say it in England, India, South Africa, Austrailia. Both are accepted, but ask is the more Americanized version. Maybe you should give him hell relating to the way he says, "cause...", because that is uneducated and ignorant, just like you. Not stupid, just ignorant.
Have a great day!
Thank you MiniT for the update on the proper use of the word.
I would like to know where you found this information so that I may research it myself.
And just for your information, I am not uneducated. I also appreciate learning something new everyday.
Have yourself a great day as well!
Fair enough Laurab68. Here is one link to a published case study. It's interesting if you can get through it. Also, the great people at Websters were the ones who informed me of ask vs. akst on a program on NPR.
Way to stand up for yourself.
It's a shame that T-Pain in the Ass feels this way about music. I prefer artists who can express themselves despite no financial gain.
Enjoy your friday!
I've never heard anyone say "akst" in South Africa, it might be a regional variation in England, but I would vehemently disagree with your saying it's the proper way to say it in England since I've never heard any english person say it, nor any BBC presenter say akst.
You need to learn how to spell – "offence" – OH MY! – It's offense silly.
Actually, he is speaking black dialect with its own grammar and syntax rules. Yes...that's actually what many linguists call it. So, it is actually presumptuous, to say the least, to assume that "white dialect" is a better way of speaking. Do you speak two dialects or do you just speak the one? You've revealed that you think it is speaking "up" (classist, yah?) to say ask instead of the other way. You want him to speak white english cuz' you think black english is inferior. Well, is it really? Not in terms of word rules...just in terms of your way of thinking about it. Remove the judgment, study the language, and it's a way of speaking that is only better or less in terms of cultural/personal perception. How interesting that the true ignorance is to not understand the multiple dialects that exist. How full of ego. How cool to be full of knowledge instead. And, frankly, the constant snarky comments regarding grammar, etc. are really becoming quite BORING!!!
MiniT, you are obviously not British, because I can tell you that "aks" or "aksed" is never used there. I had never heard it until I moved to the US. I read the article you cited, and your summary is a little skewed. I can believe that these variants might be vestiges of a form used in Britain centuries ago, but they are not used there today.
Try to send your resume using 'ebonics' because it's O so beautiful and full of charm.
Language changes; deal with it.
Ebonics is not a dialect of English. Some corruptions become dialects but we're talking about people who are uneducated, not people who have regional reasons for the way they speak. And before you go off about how this is racist, please note that you were the one who said that ebonics is a "black" way of speaking. Black people who are properly acclimated to society speak more or less properly.
Alright how on earth did this become a race issue?. It started by my saying that poor verbal abilities in a person... I never indicated or intended that this was aimed at any race inpartcular. Enough with playing the race card. Everyone is equal. Anyone no matter their color or station can be undereducated, just as well as they can be well educated.
Be honest...ask yourself..."did I ever listen to T-Pain anyway?" If the answer is no then probably you dislike him the way I dislike all 80's hair bands. Its simply not your genre of music. I will say this though. When I say someone is "talented" it has to be more than just I took piano lesson for 2 decades or I have decent singing voice. It has to be the full package in terms of music...writing music, producing it, playing the instruments, writing the lrics and then it needs to be more complex than shouting into a microphone at the top of your lungs. I can name a few talented bands and most of them (except Mint Condition) came out before 85'. The rest of these young people can take your run of the mill catchy tune sell one album and then go get a real job.
He's an idiot...I don't think anybody is going to lose any sleep if "T-Pain in the ass" doesn't release another album..I know I wont!
This guy could use some help with the English language, as well as his albums.
Maybe we stopped buying albums, because the albums being put out by artists (like T-Pain), are nothing but trash. Once in a great while, we get an "ok" album (Jay-Z, was the most recent). However, the vast majority of artists are putting out complete wastes of time. Kesha, seriously? What talent does she have? Lady Gaga? Katy Perry? All of these whiney "rock" bands that have come out? Or these digital rap artists that put out auto-tuned noise? Maybe it's the Justin Beibers, and Miley Cyrus' that are famous, yet have no actual talent when it comes to music. It's all noise, and none of it is "music". So, until we get back to the days when there were more quality albums on the Billboard Hot 100, I'll keep avoiding the record stores. I haven't even downloaded from iTunes in almost 6 months. Not a single album has come out that I'm willing to spend money on.
'Pretty Brown Eyes' was 'da bomb' that exploded around your brain waves with musical intelligence. Songs made by real musicians don't get major backing anymore? Therefore I'm in complete agreement with you since I use T-PAIN for exercising and toning in my home.
I completely agree with you about Kesha! What a waste...every song sounds the same!!! How about variety sweetheart?? There is more to music than dropping names in your songs...another mass produced artist to change the station on...
Word BT. Pretty ironic from someone who spews out garbage.
Pretty ironic coming from someone who only puts out garbage.
T-Pain does full length albums?