The current incarnation of the game show "Wheel of Fortune" has been on in some form since 1975, and is the longest-running syndicated game show in U.S. television history.
Nothing much happens on "Wheel" that would get a viewer's blood boiling, but a pair of pronunciation errors last week has many fans irate and demanding answers.
The problems began December 19, when contestant Renee Durette was ruled incorrect when she failed to pronounce the "G" in the phrase "Seven Swans-A-Swimming." The gaffe cost Durette nearly $4,000, and she went on to lose the game. Watch the above clip to see Durette's error, as well as hear what she has to say about the mistake and her newfound fame.
Fans took to Twitter and other social media sites to complain about the ruling and to ask "Wheel" to give Durette a second chance. However, former "Wheel" contestants are also speaking out, saying that players are warned before show tapings that answers must be read exactly as they appear on the puzzle board to be ruled correct. And the show has said the answer was illegal as it was spoken in vernacular.
As a self-professed "game show guru," I would have to agree with "Wheel" on the Durette ruling. Then again, I did not expect to see what happened on the next "Wheel" episode.
The December 20 show featured contestant Michael Rufus, who won $4600 with "Hickory-Smoked Country Ham." But when he says the phrase, he appears to miss the letter "D" in the word "smoked." For a show that seems to take pride in demanding that contestants say the puzzles correctly, it seems baffling that the judges made contradictory rulings on two puzzles during the same taping session ("Wheel" typically tapes a week's worth of episodes in one day).
"Wheel" has not commented on the Michael Rufus ruling.
What do you think about this "Wheel of Fortune" mess? Should Renee Durette be given a second chance to play? What about Michael Rufus' opponents? And is it time for the show to loosen its rules on pronunciation and vernacular?
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How do I feel about it? Well for starters who cares,get a life, etc...
you obviously don't have one or you wouldn't be commenting!
mike's a little wimpie or he'd be in her face by now....he's basically doesn't know what to do ..its easier to cop
out and call her a nasty lesbian....alot of guys do that...
I think it's great! These people that butcher the english language are morons with all their ghetto talk, ESPECIALLY on a show that requires the correct words with pronunciation.
Well? We axed you a question.
Interestingly enough, there are recent anthropological/linguistic studies that imply the "axe" pronuniciation of "ask" may have been the true pronouniciation as the English language morphed from its germanic roots. Interesting no? :D Still an irritating gaffe in modern society, but worth noting!
like what is the answer mannnnnn
Only if you are a stupid ape
Interestingly, the 'sss' sound is not used in West African native languages.
I don't think it's a thing of dialect or regional based error. People need to quit freaking out about this.
I think the error lies in the fact of spelling. Whenever you solve a puzzle, if letters are there or not, it still needs to be pronounced correctly. Prouncing it without the "ing" sound on the end of it changes the spelling of the word. It's not spelled like.... swimmin', it's spelled swimming. Slang would be OK if it doesn't change the spelling. In this case, it did. Get over it!
I guess anyone from the Northeast would be SOL then huh? So basically you're expected to speak in a flat Midwestern way to be "correct."
You are 100% correct. It's the reason news anchors are taught to speak as if they are from the Midwest. FACT!
Why do the rules always have to change. Rules are rules, and becasue some cant follow rules, they should be changed. We are creating a country of lazy, so lazy they cant ponounce a letter, that the end of the Great America is comming to an end. If you agree to go on a show that has rules, then follow them and stop complaining about them. No one is going to give you prize money becasue you almost said it right! Why dont more people come out and support what is right, and not change rules to make it right! Really America!
The amount of gramatical errors in this post is too numerous to point out. I'm not for correcting people's grammer on the internet, but it seems a bit strange in a post complaining about how lazy america has become for not using correct vanacular.
Ummm. . .bobabaloo? Since you felt the need to speak out on usage, I feel that I should point out to you that the word is spelled, "vernacular."
HA! bobabaloo is a moron!
uhmmmm bobabaloo, the word is grammatical.
"correcting people's grammer on the internet," GRAMMER? Really.? Is that similar to GRAMMAR? Or do you mean your mother's mother?
Um, bobabaloo....perhaps it should also be noted that the word you are looking for is "number" not "amount." "Number" is used when things are countable, and "amount" is used when things are not countable. For example, you would have an amount of peanut butter, but a number of jars of peanut butter.
numbers are there.
Ugh....apparently I need to elaborate. The sentence reads "The amount of gramatical errors in this post is too numerous to point out." Grammatical errors are countable; therefore, you use "number," not "amount." However, the use of "numerous" later in the sentence actually sets us up for a best possible edit that involves neither "amount" or "number": "The grammatical errors in this post are too numerous to point out." Otherwise: "The number of grammatical errors on this thread is staggering, especially considering that people are attempting to debate grammar in the process."
neither "amount" NOR "number" :)
bobabaloo is trolling and you guys all fell for it.
There IS no G sound in 'swimming'! If you nasalize the N it is pronounced correctly. If you make a G sound after the N, it is pronounced incorrectly. Are there two G sounds in 'singing'? No, there are zero.
Seriously? Did you really just say that?
You tell 'em, Swamino!
Swamingo is correct - sort of. There is no "g" sound in "swimming" in any dialect of English. Yes, there is a pronunciation difference between "swimmin'" and "swimming", but the "ng" sound does not represent an "n" sound followed by a "g" sound, but a different phoneme entirely, which is spelled ŋ in the International Phonetic Alphabet.
Don't believe me? Try pronouncing "singer" and "finger". In most dialects, "singer" has no "g" sound, but "finger" does. The sound in "swimming" is the same as the sound in "singer".
Where Swamingo went wrong is that the difference between /n/ and /ŋ/ is not nasalization; they are both nasal. The difference is velarization - /ŋ/ is articulated further back in the mouth.
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Many years ago, on a TV game show whose name I can't recall, the contestants were kids. The moderator asked, "In Gone With the Wind, what were Rhett Butler's famous last words to Scarlett O'Hara"? The girl answered, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a darn." The moderator glanced at the judges, then shook his head and declared, "I'm sorry, the answer is, "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn." The girl quickly explained, "I know, but my momma doesn't let me say that word." The judges would not change their minds, and the girl lost.
W T F ? Was reading this to see if somebody made a Stan Marsh like mistake (hilarious Southpark episode) and instead the lamest of controversies. I want my 5 minutes back TMZ/CNN
Doh meant Randy Marsh. Lol fail.
Today, I saw an episode in which a contestant used her region's pronunciation for ing, "een." So she would have said, "Swimmeen," no G. She won the round.
What they did was insulting – they were actually making fun of her dialect. There's many places in the US where the "g" is silent. That does not mean the "g" does not exist nor does it mean the contestant thought there was no "g" in that word. Everyone, including the audiance, the contestant and even the host knew she said swimming pronounced in a well understood way. The problem was the narrow thinking of a geeky bookworm who made an incorrect decision. If pronounciation was in question, they should then have asked her to spell the word to be certain she knew the answer.
Nobodies dialect was being made fun of. Despite there being different accents in different parts of the country, there is no dialect that sllows the word "swimming" to not have a g and still be pronounced correctly. "Swimmin" isnt a dialect, its lazy english. It's clearly wrong. However, the second one should not have been accepted either for sake of consistency.
The AUDIANCE. Yeah,you sound credible.
I think that both answers should have been considered correct. Both players knew the answer, and clear pronunciation of the "g" and "d" does not seem like a hard-and-fast requirement.
who cares at this point ... i don't.
Oh, why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
Norwegians learn Norwegian; the Greeks have taught their Greek.
In France every Frenchman knows his language fro "A" to "Zed" ...
The French never care what they do, actually, as long as they pronounce in properly.
Arabians learn Arabian with the speed of summer lightning.
And Hebrews learn it backwards, which is absolutely frightening.
But use proper English you're regarded as a freak.
Why can't the English,
Why can't the English learn to speak?
NO! The woman who ATTEMPTED to solve the Seven Swans puzzle did NOT say swimming she said a swimmin' swimmin' is pretty much slang. It's NOT PROPER pronunciation of S W I M M I N I N "G" Because swimming HAS a G. You can be southern, you can be eastern or right over here in Oregon- that is NOT ore gone- and you'd say I'm goin' swimmin' just casually, like headed off to the pool or river or whatever. But, this song does NOT say swans swimmin' it says swans SWIMMING. This contestant did NOT say swimming. If the puzzle was swans a swimmin and had NOT put the g in the puzzle and ANY contestant said swimmin', they would then get it right. STOP whinin' or W H I N I N "G" about it people. Sheeshus... really... either ABIDE by the rules or don't play
Also, the other guy I do believe he did NOT say smoked. Did NOT hear smoked, only smoke. All they should have to do is play things back. I think even with peoples accents, ways, and dialects etc. you take that into consideration, but many people make the same mistake like the swimmin' being said when it's swimming- so knowing the rules, any contestant MAY when they say it on their own say swimmin', but when it's this show, it's the puzzle and it's something like this- just because you don't know it's not swimmin' or it's how you'd say it- does NOT make it the correct way it is said. If they gave this woman another chance, they'd have to do it to a LOT of others that messed up just as she did. NOT going to happen. Learn the English language and how words are said
Knight or night?
Coda or Koda?
Or how about Po-TATE-to or Po-TAT-o lol
we are never leaving ....
Right on Paul from December 24th post! You've said exactly what I feel. My daughter was one of the first children to be cheated by our education system when they stopped teaching Language Arts in school. I was told if we made our children read the ability to write, spell and communicate properly would 'come to them', they would absorb the necessary knowledge from their exposure to the written word. We are now seeing the product of this "it will come to them" education policy. People up into their 30's do not know how to speak or write correctly. I see examples of this daily in newspapers, advertisements, flyers, menus, on the internet and I hear it on the streets. I know the difference between there, their, and they're, do you? And it's "What's up?" not "Wassuup?" and "I'm just saying..." not "jussayin..."
@Anne of December 24th: This issue is about grammar and spelling, about the written as well as spoken word and Americans have become very lazy with their English. To address the issue of Renee and the WOF, she should have read (not red) it as it was written.
ho's a ho...like a cigar is a cigar.
WOF needs to join the 21st century.We've been dropping final 'd's' for years when we say ice tea, corn beef, bake potato, and the 'ped' in popped corn.
You are the first person I have encountered who has said or written "bake potato" without the "d" at the end. Seriously. I so hear "corn beef" sometimes, and "ice tea" way too much. To witness the decline of language, so sad.
We may have been dropping final "d's" when we speak and even when we write. But that's not the question here. The contestant wasn't asked to speak her own words, but to solve a puzzle - a puzzle where the final "d" was definitely NOT dropped! I hear your point, but it is mute.
@MF "..., but it is mute."
I believe you meant to use the word "moot". Another person who likes to argue about grammar, but is nevertheless illiterate.
This is in response to Paris who recommends that we join the 21st century and start dropping our "d's". Paris, I once broke up with a guy who had a habit of dropping his "d's" when he spoke. This is no joke! He would say things like "bake potato" instead of "baked potato" and the word "bless" when he really meant to tell me that I was blessed. I was constantly bothered by this, and then one day - it was Valentine's Day - he brought me a goofy-looking stuffed toy monkey that had a sign on it saying "I really, really like you". I wasn't nuts about this guy to begin with, but after that, every time I heard him drop a "d" he started looking more and more like that stupid monkey to me! So there you are. I really don't think the poor fellow knew any better, but I couldn't stomach listening to the fingernails run down that chalkboard any longer. These days when I think of him, I picture that monkey.
Gee, I've never heard any of those 'been pronouncing it this way for years" versions. And I've lived on every coast of the US.
a clam digger....next time i hear that i will shove my gucci pump through the computer screen....
TRAP TRAP TRAP....now go away...
Maybe Americans should learn how to speak properly. But no, that would actually require Republicans to support public education, which they won't.
I do_t g_ve a __ck
Pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle.
I know the difference between your and you're,and their and they're. I also know that loan is a noun,not a verb. And living in Maine I also know how to pahk a cah. I would have walked off the set telling them that they'd hear from my lawyer....that is absolute crap!
I will never forget the man, who when confronted with the following puzzle- clam _igger, asked for an "N". Yikes!
Nothing can ever top that level of ignorance.
This is a decent show with a lot of dummies for contestants. Just sayin'....................
Ugh! I liked your posting but the you just had to end it with "Just sayin'". Before it was deleted last night, I was stunned that a posting I had written about what should happen to people who use that term received over 500 likes.
I just can't read all of these but to answer your question, Well, NO I don't think it was fair to disqualify her for leaving off the G.........But that's just my opinion.
wheel of fortune should have let it go....
People who annoy you... naggers
Dropping the G is just the tip of the iceberg. People dont seem to know the difference between your and you're and "should have" and "should of". I've even heard people pronouncing Boeing as "Boein". Its stupid and sickening and I'm glad she got dinged for it.
I'm not a grammar expert Rachel...can you tell mean when you should use the phrase, "should of"....ever? I thought should was always followed by a verb and not a preposition? But like I said, I'm not a grammar expert.
I'm pretty sure one would use "pronounce" and not "pronouncing" as well. I'm always amused by rants about grammar written with with poor grammar.
Ha! Just as I'm amused by my own gaffe .. "with with".
wheel of fortune iis a silly show.
Rules are rules. Pronounce the words as they're written on the board. What next? Are we going to start letting Jeopardy contestants get the money even if they forget to answer in the form of a question?
dumb game show anyway.
jealous of this woman
annnnnnnnnny one would listen too....now go dust
see you soon lazylo
Rules are rules, play by them or don't play at all.
"It's just a game."
Some people on this board have waaaay too much time on their hands.
I'm a pretty mumble mouthed person, but if I was told specifically to be clear I'd be more on point than this lady. Especially with four grand on the line. Come on. If it weren't a distinctly African American way to mispronounce things there would be no issue.
Last night's Wheel (Jan 3) had a similiar mis pronounce that the judges allowed, The answer was " January, February, March of the penguins". Contestant Danny pronounced February "Feb-U-rary", when it should have been "Feb-RU-ary". So they certainly are not consistent in their rulings.
All of us have problems with pronounciations. I am not saying that it's necessarily wrong, but just different. For example, the vast majority of Americans (educated or not) pronounce vegetable as 'veg-table', twenty as 'twenny'. Most of us who grew up in England pronounce three as 'tree'. Many Africans and West Indians do not pronounce the 'h' as he head or hammer and they add and 'h' in from of words beginning with 'e'. Egg becomed hegg and east becomes heast. Some words are pronounced totally different. Like schedule/shedule; Colonel/Cornell, secretary/secetree, today/todye, Dew/Jue, etc. All that said, in these type of shows, spelling bees etc., certain standards must be set. You just cannot accept any and all pronunciations.
But vegetable is pronounced vej-tuh-buhl and February is pronounced Feb-yoo-er-ee according to the dictionary so your examples are in error. Swimming has to have a G.
I supposed they avoid the letter "R" when guests are from Massachusetts. Excuse me but I have to go because my caaa is double pocked.
I'm impressed that the show can find Southerners who know how to read!
Who effin cares. (No g needed pronounced here)
are idiocracy and laura the same person?
What if she had a thick accent , Pat ?
Maybe it is time for the southern portion of the US population to learn to speak ENGLISH!
She didn't say the word properly she left off the last letter. I don't care if she left it off because she is an uneducated dolt that can't speak the language, she blew it.
Your prejudice is pathetic. You have no idea what this woman's educational history may have been, but you feel free to judge her intellect based on her accent. Feel free to direct similar criticisms to people from Wisconsin, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, as they have some amazingly distinctive–and for many listeners, grating–accents. They all speak English, but perhaps you should educate yourself about how English is acquired–the variation in accents here is nothing compared to the variation in traditional accents in the UK. These regional British accents form the backbone of many of our US accents. I code-switch because I grew up in two different accents, but that doesn't make either of my accents any more valid or "ENGLISH" than the other. I have a feeling that people find the words that come out of your mouth obnoxious, regardless of whatever accent–and yes, all Americans have an accent–you use.
Speaking of stupidity I had to respond to this comment. I just have one question for you. Would that mean anyone from the Boston area would not be able to correctly answer puzzles that had words that start with a "W" because its common there to pronounce it with a WH sound. So think before you speak and you will not sound like a moron in the future.
just wanted to say all us Suthern girls couldn't car less how anyone talks we just sit on the porch and enjoy a mint julip.
Oh, and New Yoikers have peachy pronounciation?
Miss gal, I like a bit of bootleg in my julip – need a kick to wake my lazy behind up!
are you a lesbian?
When I moved to North Carolina for a year, the accents threw me. When the phone rang, they would say, "Get the bail." The yellow and white painted lane markers on the highways were "lions." Cracked me up. They said the town Cary, NC was actually an acrynomn for "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees." Cracks me up. I just love them.
thank goodness the contestant was white.
Seriously? That's the best you got? Drop the bitterness in 2013. You'll feel better about yourself.
Dial it down to 3, Captain Bitterness. This has nothing to do with race, so stop making stuff up.
I think what Josh meant was that if the contestant had been a Person of Color, there would have been lots of hand-wringing and teeth-gnashing about how we shouldn't penalize that person for their accent or speech-patterns and how racist it was. And before you contradict me, just think about it. You know I'm right.
Puh-lease, folks. Josh was simply very subtle in a Yankee sort of way. (-:
WOF should take the money they saved and give it to Vanna so she could have some gum-reduction surgery done.
That's the real issue.
Kristin Giannis can get it, bam
Why do so many people have time to watch Wheel of Fortune? Let's hope the job market begins to pick up.
Funny but it comes on at 7:30 pm when people who work are sitting down to dinner.
If you can't set aside 30 minutes of your oh-so busy schedule to do something other than work, you need some serious time management training.
WOF should giver her some shut up money. They can afford it. Not so much for her but for the media.
It sounded as if he did say the "D," but almost as if it were a syllable in the word "ham." I wish they would have played the next word, too, when they slowed the audio down dramatically.
Why couldn't this have been a black person? Then we'd have Big Al all over the airwaves. They really missed an opportunity for a good scandal here.
So, your not upset that the young lady might have been cheated out of her winnings but more b/c the person wasn't black so you can make fun. Your an idiiot!
The only letters that are important to prounounce correctly are the letters that are blank. The letters on the board have already been played and have been judged to have been prounounced correctly. We don't all speeg purfic anglish!
The woman's pronunciation of the word, leaving out the "g" at the end would only be important IF the "g" was one of the MISSING letters!!!! As the "g" was already there, the pronunciation was a moot point. Had the "g" been missing it certainly makes sense. The judges are wrong!
Agreed. Give her the money!
Bill Moynihan, I can see your point, HOWEVER... the direct opposite applies. Since the "G" was the missing letter, she should have clearly pronounced that letter. Instead of showing everybody she knew that last letter to be a G, she clearly put a very hard sound to the letter "N" and left out the "G" purposefully. She never solved the puzzle. Wheel of Fortune was right!
In a previous show, they flat out said they accept regionalisms. (They accepted grosher for grocer.) So they are lying about what they accept. So, yeah, she was robbed. This a flipping language merger. IF you think she said the wrong word, you are ignorant of how language works.
She pronounced it wrong, thereby saying the wrong word. Her fault. And I agree that the next guy SHOULD have lost, yet they gave him the win. They need to show consistency in their rulings.
There should be a senate investigation.
Hah, this cracked me up – well played, well played
Shame on Wheel of Fortune!. Don't burden her with playing again just send her 5 – 10K and an apology to make things right and win back the fan base, it would be cheaper in the long run for them to do that. Just like many here have already said, the G was already showing. I have some friends that cannot pronounce a T in the middle of a word so if the answer was BUTTON and they said BU-IN with both Ts showing in the middle and lost, that would be sad. It looks like the old NFL Replacement Officials are now picking up work as Judges on WOF.
They wouldn't treat Dustin Hoffman this way!
Or should I say Rainman?
She should learn how to pronounce words correctly. The rules should stand as is
All yall have way too much time on your hands!
but you don't? you commented just like everyone else here did...but you're the special one, aren't you George Rains?
no fibs...proof shows...its still hot...
the woman lost.
i think i have more important things to think about
I think you should have more important things to think about (and read) too.
lost - thanks.
wheel of fortune should have let it go. end of story.
she was not robbed....picture 1 was great and we'll use that for future performances....
Had the "G" not been showing, than I feel they would have been correct. However, the letter"g" had already been revealed so she was robbed!!!
and out picture 2 looks great....
is the librarian home? lololol
Why in the world would this woman even consider using slang in the first place? She comes across more intellegent than to sound like a hillbilly. Swimmin'. Give me a damn break, already. WOF got it right.
It's not slang for one thing. And people don't "choose" to use slang. Where in the world did you get that idea? She pronounces the word "swimming" the way she said it. Changes are, most of you do, too. Most people only pronounce that G when they are saying the word by itself.
I guess I just shouldn't expect the judges on Wheel of Fortune to be smarter than a fifth-grade English teacher.
and the rest of the show are saved.
If an "r" were dropped from a word by a Bostonian, would the show rule the same way? I doubt it. I'm really sick of my regional accent being denegrated by folks as being backward and uneducated (I have a Ph.D. and a J.D. and I drop my "g's" at the end of words). I think the show is being snobbish at its worst. Gullah, an African-derived accent along the southeastern coast was long derided as backward and uneducated. Now it is recognized as a cultural icon almost lost to history. I haven't watched the show for years and I'm glad to see I haven't wasted my time. The contestant should be given the money.
Ban all game shows.
pat sajak gives me chills up and down my spine–especially when i tune in to see him.
i bet pat's a gorilla in bed...what do you think girls.
pat is not a nerd ladies...no way
he seems shy but i think he's a tiger in bed.
I like beer
Speaking of correct grammar, how many times have you heard people say "between you and I?" It should be "between you and me," because it's the object of a proposition. This is not the only commonly used grammatical error in the English language, but it really makes my skin crawl.
I felt bad for he when I seen it. Then they did an interview on the Today show and she did that for everything ending in "ing" . I do not feel bad for her if you dont fix your ways after losing $7000 then it is your fault. Also to the people that say it is an accent or slang. It is wrong. If you want to talk like a slave then by all means talk like one. The reason the slaves talked like that is because they did not have an education. This isnt a civil war bias that is still going on. If they had an urban guy speaking Ebonics do you think they should allow them to win for speaking the wrong way.
You should just not comment. Your grammer is pathetic.
"When I SEEN it"? Really Lucas?? You are commenting and your grasp of correct English grammar is just as bad....
E.B. White is spinning in his grave.
They should have given it to him. I thank they were wrong.
Everbody don't talk like a Yankee. If this is a "national" program they oughta recognize some regions a the country don't talk like other regions. Swimmin' IS swimming! When I say smoked I don't add "duh" to the end a the word. Seems to me this regional upidyness needs to stop. We've been puttin' up with folks talkin' through their noses from up north for as long as I can remember. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
if this is a Yankee thing just remember who won the civil war. Not the south
Correct grammer is correct grammer regardless of where you live.
Scbama: and bad spelling is bad spelling. Use a dictionary to check how the word "grammer" [sic] is correctly spelled. If you can figure out how it works...
I really hope you are just trolling this post because not everyone in the south talks as poorly as you do. Especially if they have any education.
If swimmin' is exactly the same as swimming, why do you feel the need to type puttin' and talkin' verses putting and talking? Just saying....
the g was a must....please excuse me i have to take my hopper which shows 956 stations all over the world so i am able to see insidel bars, countries, states, televisions and stores, i can hear when the next 50% off will take place in
nordstrom, i can even see mr. nordstrom. you see i have no life.
is an animal where it counts.....
Texans are nothing more than hillbillies who migrated from the Appalacians, taking their godawful hillbonics West of the Mississippi.
i would like to fly too texas someday...i hear its one big yeeehaw there. happy new year to all
i would not bother.
its frankly my dear i don't give a dam-
Actually, it's "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."
it was an older woman about 45 years old.
I remember when a lovely young woman lost when she tried to solve the puzzle as "Frankly my dear, I don't give a darn." I think she should've been given the money just for bringing a little dignity to the show.
I miss Vanna White!
She's still on there. Please, come back to the fold. We miss you!
he needs anger management classes its the entire worlds fault.
Not their fault the hick cannot speak proper English.
this show is stoopid
SMH....First World Problems.......
The subject is diction, and the fact is that people's diction these days is really sloppy. Most of the time, the response is incorrect unless each word is pronounced properly. However, I think the Wheel of Fortune gurus need to think a little more deeply about the puzzles they present. If a phrase is usually spoken in a casual and informal manner, as in "the ole swimmin' hole," then expecting the contestant to speak the phrase in a precise and formal manner is unfair. Even if the G is up there. To me, presenting a phrase normally spoken informally in mainstream English but demanding the formal version is not far from entrapment. I doubt that Wheel is deliberately entrapping people, nevertheless they shouldn't put up this kind of puzzle. This is a game. To deny someone a win because of a "normal" informal pronunciation is unnecessary....don 't put up those kinds of puzzles. Simple.
Entrapment...really? That logic would deem a lot of puzzles as unusable depending on different accents anywhere in the country. I personally think she should have one the puzzle regardless of the pronunciation, but "Seven Swans a Swimming" is from an actual song, and therefore not what I would consider casual/informal speak.
I don't think the rules should change. The answer must be exact. Even if the producers can verify they allowed a mis-pronounced answer to go through as correct, they can't let the woman play another game as she still made an error. Players should be allowed to ask for a review during a game though.
I felt WOF discriminated with the word "swimmin vs swimming" when you accepted the word " tom vs time" in yesterdays show 12/26/12 when part of the phrase was " every time a bell rings".
If you don't have rules and follow them then anything goes. Eventually people will start making things up because they know if they press the issue, they will get there way. Just imagine how Wheel Of Fortune will look then. Pretty ugly.
Our nation loves the gray area. Anything goes. Isn't that anarchy?
Sometimes it's called "freedom"
also, it's "their," Mr "I love the rules"
They don't show Michael Rufus' face but the name sounds black and his voice sounds black. Therefore it would be politicaly correct in the spirit of affirmative action to let his mispronunciation stand.
I think you have hit the nail on the head (as the old saying goes).
In the spirit of affirmative action??? Are you serious?? People have been whining for decades that blacks and whites should be treated as equals. And you want to let his mispronunciation slide because he's black?!? Now I've heard everything...
I feel for that woman...did they give her another chance
No, they did not give her another chance. Had you watched the video, you would have no need to ask this question.
By the way, if you are not hispanic, what are you? My guess would be a young moron.
how did this poor acting become this way? she's home alone.
Tomato ... Tomater; Potato... Potater; Jewelry... Bling; for sure...fo shizzle. All acceptable answers... but swimmin' jus aint swimming. The English language has been abused and misused. We is all gettin' dumer. lol -JERSEYTOMATO 2012 ...Jersey Stong!
"Dumer"? You mean "dumber"? I love how northerners love to criticize the grammar of everyone else and yet can neither spell nor use proper grammar. Everyone I've ever met from Jersey has an accent so offensive that it would peel paint off the wall, but dropping the "G" from the end of a word makes us dumb?
The real issue here is the illiteracy of the contestants who can't even pronounce a simple word like "swimming" correctly.
@PaulG...you must be a judge from the show. The gentleman shares a nice story about his Wheel of Fortune experience from years ago and you follow up with a grammar correction. You sir are an anus.
thinks life is unfair-you must be very depressed.
Life's unfair, get over it. If you let a game show loss define you as a human being, you are kind of shallow.
who watches wheel of fortune anymore
I think it is idiotic that a contestant is forced to use one particular pronoun citation when it is 100% clear that she knows the answer. I didn't even know the show was still on the air, but I clearly won't be tuning in now.
it's idiotic that people can't speak english.
God help is if some woman pronounces the word ambulance as "ambalamps"
*us...... CNN needs an edit button.
What's next? Accepting 'ax' in place of 'ask'?
Tha reel story is the dummin down of americun.
It looks like the only difference between the two contestants is that one was a man and the other a woman. The man got the prize and the woman did not. How is that different from anything else in life?
I was on Wheel of Fortune in 1978 when Chuck Woolery was the host. The same kind of incident happened to me. I had already spelled out all of the letters to the puzzle "You ain't nothin but a hound dog" and said the answer. I won a car, but then the producers stopped tape and took the car back saying that I had said "You ain't nothing but a hound dog", i.e. pronouncing a "g" sound at the end of "nothin". Chuck supported me, but the producers prevailed. So they cut the tape, edited my "win" out and retaped the show. By the way my story does have a happy ending, as I did win the speed round at the end of the game and $10,000 in a gift certificate at Tiffany's on Rodeo Drive. I still have the beautiful Rolex watch from using that gift certificate until today.
It seems to me that the answer should be simple: pronounce the words exactly as they appear in the puzzle. If the puzzle is 'You Ain't Nothin' But A Hound Dog,' pronounce it that way (no 'g'). If it's 'Seven Swans A-Swimming,' pronounce it that way (with the 'g'). It's the people who slowly over-pronounce the answer who always win. Regardless of how people speak or what accent they have, these are the rules of this particular game show. I do think, however, that WOF does not enforce that rule consistently and that's where the problem lies.
Game show judge's questionable rulings have always been a part of the genre....look up Match Game and the infamous "School Riot" episode on You Tube for an example of this or The $20,000 Pyramid "Famous Losers" overturn that caused a ruckus back in the 70's. Contestants have to sign clear, iron clad agreements nowadays that CLEARLY outline the rules of the game and they have to agree to them to be eligible to be a contestant. Sad, yes, but them there's the rules, folks.
I observed both of the contestants and their mispronunciations. I heard the lady say "swimmun'". And I also heard the man miss the "d" in smoked. I have also watched shows in which the contestants have heavy accents and it is hard for me to tell if they have pronounced the word correctly or not. I'm sure it is hard for Wheel to judge who is correct in the pronounciation of words. But it seems that there is some inconsistency. I think the lady should be paid extra money. It was very disappointing for her as well as for the public.
You couldn't have this kind of show in England...
The "Wheel" is Judge, Jury, and Elocution-er.
I think they should loosen the rules a little bit because there are gradually increasing amounts of immigrants with accents coming into the U.S.
I changed my mind after seeing jurby's comment. Cutting off the "g" does sound sloppy and lazy. So, I am changing my mind and agreeing with jurby.
The same week a contestant completely garbeled rthe answer and went back and said it correctly. They accepted it. Durette deserves to come back. Then they need to consistently follow their rules.
the thing is that the contestants know going in that words have to be pronounced correctly. no slang, no cutting off letters, etc. i've never gone through the song and said 'swimmin' instead of 'swimming'. cutting off the g just sounds sloppy and lazy, in my opinion. it's like the idiots that say "how ya doin?". that's not proper english and it's sounds horrible. although i understand the anger, i do agree with the show that the word needed to be pronounced correctly as spelled, especially since it's in the show's rules.
this is why i am voted in by all...my hair salon bought me lunch today and we celebrated my victory - do not call people heartless who you do not know.
By your conversation Charles Realist
your the freak!Freakin heartless and freakin brainless!
then no second chance-agreed
On the same note, what are the rules with Jeopardy and spelling for final Jeopardy. Sometimes spelling has to be exact and sometimes just being close is enough.
This is exactly why this country is going down the drain. We do not hold ourselves accountable on even minute things, such as the proper use and/or pronunciation of words. And if you say something then you are a "grammar Nazi" or "word police."
Well no, you just want people to speak properly. Is it too much to learn and use the English language the way it was meant to be? When did it become acceptable to be ignorant? We accept mediocrity way to much these days. I mean these kids these days are just stupid. How the hell can someone be an adult and not read in the USA? People are way to comfortable that's why. It is truly sad.
Funny you talk about holding people accountable for small things and that they are ignorant for mispronouncing a word, yet you use the wrong form of "to" in your response. It should be "too". You did it "two" times.
kinda hard to speak properly when 1/2 of america has their tongue pierced!LOL
CR, you misplaced a period in one of your sentences. Periods go inside quotation marks. Otherwise, I agree with you. It was hilarious to see all the misuse of "to" in a rant about grammar!
I'm going to call it out even more. There's one incomplete sentence AND an appalling lack of commas where they were clearly required.
She speaks like a hillbilly. Just like Sarah Palin. Both of them are ignorant white trailer trash teabaggers.
Are you a racist or what? The term white makes you just that. Have you ever been to Florida? Thousands of retired and not retired people live in trailers parks that are now known as mobile home parks, that include pools work out rooms ect. Your just dumb. By the way did the people in Alaska ever elect you the Govenor? we all know the answer to that,
It's not "your dumb", it's "you're dumb". Your=possessive, you're= you are.
@Kathy, TrailerS ParkS is incorrect,both plural. Trailer Parks is your right answer.
Sarah Palin is not a hillbilly. She is just plain stupid. I attended the same school district as she, and one would think obtained a similar education. No-one that I was acquainted with in high school in Alaska had the ridiculous accent that Ms. Palin utilizes, and in fact, no-one that I knew in the entire state spoke that way. FYI – I am the daughter of an Iditarod musher, so please don't assume that I only associated with the upper crust. There is no excuse for Ms. Palin's "folksiness" as that is not the way any Alaskans I know speak.
who are you to make fun a palin! you could not even get elected prom queen let alone Gov!and a trailer would be a step up from where your comming from LOL
lets see i have won:
employee of the year 2 times
5 recognition awards for team spirit/effort
award for being an example to young teens.
I bet you got student of the week in elementary school as well, and a trophy for trying in PE.
didn't have to smoke weed and get drunk to win and i'm still winning all the time.....
men should look at their fat guts
I am appalled that the judges on Wheel of Fortune did not recognize the contestant's pronunciation of 'swimmin' for 'swimming'. Had the 'G' not already been on the board I could undersatnd their decision. However, the 'G' was on the board. The judges absolutely should have accepted her pronunciation. I think their ruling was prejudical against the southern pronunciation. Anyone with any experience in linguisticsy knows these differences exist. They should either screen and eliminate possible contestants based on their regional speech differences or have the contestants go through a course explaining what is and what is not acceptable based on whatever form of English is acceptable. Either of these solutions is ridiculous as are the judges who ruled in this instance..
I agree with Chris. It was a stupid call. Her last letter was a 'G' so she knew it had a G in it. Just because she pronounces it differently does not mean it wasn't the proper word.
I live in Georgia and nobody I know says "swimmin". It's not a southern thing.
If you can't say the word. You are wrong.
No second chance.
Wow, I guess my son, who has a jaw difference, as well as the guy who we met a few years ago who doesn't have a tongue but manages to speak well enough to be understood, can't be contestants.
Being able to read and speak the language used in the game isn't too much to ask. NO way was that swimmin'
leave lazylo alone
my family was laughing at some of these wife comments and called them lazy women.
her familly supports her....your $300k you saved right
I would have asked for a "w", there were 2 w's left on the board...
oh yeah and i would have given her credit. We pennsylvania natives drop the g's on everythin'.
Rules are rules.
Whether it is a game show or real life too many people don't think the rules apply to them.
I would agree that "rules are rules" except that this particular rule is not always enforced, as pointed out in this blog post. That makes the credibility of the show drop, since they selectively enforce rules on pronunciation.
The by the game show ruling was correct, I've watched the tape serveral times.
It's ironic that, right before solving the puzzle, she guessed the very letter she did not pronounce. Considering that most contestants over-enunciate each word when solving, it's puzzling (pardon the pun) that she would blatantly mispronounce it. Sorry, but I'm on the side of the judges. She knew what she had to do, but she decided to be cute and folksy instead. Oh well, that's life!
thats right she was given HER LAST CHANCE and she screwed up.
What is the "G " phrase.?? From the story and the photo one would assume the contestant didn't say the "A" It this supposed to represent the schwa sound? He should have use "uh".....for "uh" swimming.
That's disappointing. Ultimately, those are the rules, but they should have applied the rules consistently. "Swimmin'" is not a proper word but we know what it means. However, "Smoke" and "Smoked" are two different words. I would have ruled the other way in both cases.
What next? Is Wheel going to fault a black person for trying to say "ask"?
If they say "axe" then it would be wrong. I know plenty of black people who don't say ask incorrectly. It isn't as if there is something recial that makes someone mispronounce words.
Let's go get our award today–we gotta give chris respect! LOLOL
When you are rich and successful in Holly"pud"...then no one else matters. They treat all contestants as below-IQ-of-a-bug serfs anyway. This does not surprise me and certainly lessens my desire to watch even if all other channels are running commercials. Here is "g" for them g-g-g-game over.
I can understand if, hypothetically, an answer was "It isn't good" being read as "It ain't good" and it was ruled incorrect, but "swimmin'" and "swimming"? That's just how she reads it in her accent! The final g sound is dropped in many accents, and sometimes, while singing.
I stopped watching the Wheel some years ago. still like Jeopardy tho!!!!!
Don't get your knickers in a twist. It is a game. If you don't like it, don't watch it. this is akin to voting with your wallet.
Dear newscaster: If you say "crick" for "creek", then you are a hick, not chick. So, speaking in the vernacular, which is informal and incorrect, "Ain't it so sad?" or better yet, "Don't it suck?"
No, it doesn't suck. Proper English is rewarded sometimes. ANY TIME it is, I applaud. Hickitude be damned. Intelligence be rewarded.
It's always funny to see mistakes made by self-righteous grammarians and spelling bee champions. Had you been queen of proof reading, and not the Icecapades, you'd have noticed the word 'chick' erroneously typed in place of 'chic,' which obviously fits much better into the context and rhyming scheme.
On this same episode, the woman who was the overall winner did not correctly read one of the puzzle answers. She was given a second opportunity to recite the puzzle and was then successful. It appeared that the judges were extremely subjective in their rulings for that particular airing.
Actually she WAS given a chance to say the word correctly. The moron still said "swimmin". She left off the "G" twice.
As an American English, retired, this is the most outrageous "gaffe" I've ever herd by a quiz show. A study was performed in the 1950s to show that the final -g sound in -ing words were deleted by native speakers of English by 97%! making the deletion the norm! Incidentally, in ESL classes the stressing of "importance" -ing can have ESL students calling people like Mr.Dublin as "Dubling"! They add a -g to any -in word! WOF is not a pronunciation quiz! WOF is really wrong!
it's a game, folks....just a silly, mind-numbing, escape from life, game.. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get the heck over it.
Do the right thing and invite her back to play again before the end of this season. Right or wrong, it will be good publicity.
No, she blew it!
This was bullshxt and the show knows it.
They could have simply asked her to respeak her answer.
Wheel of Deez Nuxxs.
"Respeak?" That's not a word, dingus.
To the guy who called you "dingus" refer him to DICTIONARY.COM & he'll' see you were right; "respeak" is a legit!
It's bothers people because they don't speak proper english either. But if it was a black or hispanic they wouldn't have ruled the way they did. be honest.
"It's bothers people because they don't speak proper english either. But if it was a black or hispanic they wouldn't have ruled the way they did. be honest."
Really? Really? You just said "It's bothers" and you are talking about other peoples' proper english??
I used to live near Boston, where they pahk their cahs in Hahvahd Yahd. Now I live in South Carolina where their cars' wheels have tars. And what if the word is "herb" ... should you pronounce the H or not? Does it matter what part of the US you're from, or if you're from the UK?
Seriously. Where is ACLU ?
It bites, but those are the rules of the game. And it is just that – a game.
Rules of the game ? Wt f are you talking about ? You think there is a Wheel of Fortune dictionary of English with pronounciation guidelines ?
This is totally outrageous! Dropping the "g" at the end of a word ending in "ing" is extremely common in America. As for dropping it in formal speech, have you ever heard one of Obama's speeches? He drops the "g" all the time. And he graduated from Harvard! So maybe the grammar police should start critiquin' the President of the USA.
TWOF is treading in deep water with this one. A contestant could sue for damages if they have a speech or other impediment that prevents them from articulating correctly. Imagine the carnage if a Korean contestant couldn't pronounce the L's in a word.
The "G" was on the board, so clearly she knew what that letter was. I would have given it to her.
can i axe you a question?...will be corrected in my other world...my voice is slightly different in business then in my casual world. we cannot say to a client....hey dude supp–can i axe you somethin...i can assure you that "ain't" happening either..lololol
@ words Re: Your December 26 post. Your point is mute as you don't even know the difference between "then" and "than."
in my world we need to pronouce our r's–"can you do me a fava"...ain't happening...
But "ain't" is OK? Well, OK then...
What if she were black and the word was "ask"? Most black people's pronunciation of that word sounds like "axe". Would the judges let that go, at the risk of calls for boycotts and accusations of racism or let it slide?
Well, that comment was totally racist and uncalled for, so you get your Christmas wish! Have you actually spoken with "most black people"? No, you haven't. My guess is that "most black people" wouldn't want to have a conversation with you. If you're going to spout half truths, stereotypes and rhetoric on the Internet, I suggest you stick to the ones about yourself: underage, undereducated loner missing one or more teeth in the front of your mouth, holding on as tightly to your Bible as you are to your guns. Start from there.
Kinda funny how you accuse me of stereotyping when you do just the same in your reply. Typical hypocritical liberal. There's nothing "half truth" or stereotypical about it – the vast majority of black people do pronounce the word "ask" that way. Perhaps YOU need to speak to some black people and you would know that.
I am from New England. I do not pronounce my "R's."
I don't dare appear on this show.
And, I am not going to watch this show.
Shame on the producers!
Yeah probably a good idea you don't go on a show that deals heavily with language. If you can't properly pronounce stuff (this isn't an accent thing either in this case) don't go on a show where you have to actually speak.
She pronounced it wrong, I don't understand why there is any debate.
the task was to identify the word which she did. If the show required lexical pronunciation and no deviation from that they should have specified it.
The debate is that another contestant did the same thing with a different word the very next episode and was told it was correct. consistency and fairness is the issue at hand.
If the contestant had had a foreign accent or heavy cultural dialect the mistake would not ever been an issue. The tv audience was as confused as the contestant that was awarded the win.
She asked for a "g" and got a g. Her answer was correct. If Wheel of Fortune requires lexical pronunciation (words as they are pronounced in isolation but not always in connected, conversational speech)
then they should have specified that in the rules of the game.
Years ago, one of the Wheel of Fortune puzzles was "Buttinsky," but none of the contestants was familiar with the word. The puzzle was totally complete (no blanks remained), but the contestants kept misprouncing the word. One of their memorable pronunciations was "Button Sky." Finally, one of the contestants guessed correctly, getting the accent on the correct syllable, and won the round.
Time to put this old nag of a show out to pasture.
If you go on Wheel of Fortune and lose the round because you say "Swimmin'" instead of "Swimming", you might be a redneck
I have watched Wheel for a long time. They've always been a bit inconsistent in their enforcement of rules.
The solution is obvious! Have her back to play again...against Rufus' opponents.
I saw the episode, and I feel that it was a toss up. I believe she had a second chance to solve it within the time limit, although I am not really sure about that. Frankly I would have gone in favor of her.
This is totally ridiculous. Wheel is not Jeopardy, where every little mistake can cost you the answer. This lady pronounced the word 'correctly,' certainly as correctly as she could, and should not be penalized for her pronunciation. I agree with most of the post; she added the 'g' and then gave the pronunciation. Give her the money!!! These guys should be ashamed of themselves!
Wheel was 100% correct!! She did not say the G!! It has nothing to do with an accent, or how she said the word! SHE DID NOT SAY SWIMMIN"G" SHE SAID SWIMMIN! without saying the "G". SHE GOT THE ANSWER WRONG!! SHE LOST!!
Nonsense. In speech and in song the g is not necessarily pronounced and it is not considered to be incorrect or a defect. Listen to yourself Joanna. You do not usually pronounce the g in conversational speech!
In cases like this, I think that the fact that the "g" was up on the board should have been enough to let it ride...
George Marshall: If the answer on the board had been swimmin' you might have an argument. But no, it was up there as swimming. If the puzzle was swimmin' hole and they didn't accept the way she said it, you'd have a point. There is a difference. If it was up on the board as swimmin' hole and she said swimming hole, I'd expect them to not accept her answer then.
Yep..watched the show that night and she did say a swimmin.....there was not g...the show was correct in what it did.
I think the BIG question here is, WHO CARES?!
The problems began December 19, when contestant Renee Durette was ruled incorrect when she failed to pronounce the "G" in the phrase "Seven Swans-A-Swimming." The gaffe cost Durette nearly $4,000, and she went on to lose the game. Watch the above clip to see Durette's error, as well as "Morning Express" host Robin Meade's reaction.
Seems like most commenters here care more about arguing grammar and spelling with each other than addressing the story subject. I think the lady who didn't pronounce the "g" should be given another chance on the show. Since she is the one who uncovered the 'g', she onviously knew it was there. So quit bickering and tell us what you think about the story.
I would agree with Wheel of Fortune is someone else had placed the "G" on the board but, Durette placed the G and immediately moved to solve which means that the G triggered the solution. for her so she obviously was aware of the G and pronounced the word according to her regional dialect. She deserves a do over
I was in awe when they didn't give Renee the puzzle, even Pat and Vanna thought she had it. I can't remember the name of the contestant next to Renee but I remember her eventually solving the puzzle and being confused as to why Renee didn't get it. I can't fault Wheel for having rules but they should right what is wrong here and either give Renee the money she would have won on that puzzle (she would have been the big winner) or allowing her on the show again.
when i am working and talking to clients i am a completely different person in how i speak on conf call and pronounce my r's perfectly....when i'm home i'm more casual with my neighbors - i don't have to watch my p's and q's every minute...at work i have to be dressed up there is no choice or we are sent home..weekend time if i don't have any work emergencies... its yoga pants, sneakers, sweatshirt, yankee baseball cap. most people do not recognize me dressed casual unless they hear my voice/ny accent .... that's true.
I am a Texan and I say things like fixin to, swimmin,and many others words that would not pass wheel of fortune or any other words that people may or may not say correctly. Who is to say what is correct or not correct for any part of the country. In Massachusetts for cars it is kars.
I'm from Mass. so I know first hand, it's not kars here. It's cahs. We tend to not pronounce the r's and they tend to sound more like and h. So the famous like is "They pahk their cahs in the harvard yahd.
uhg. I didn't proof read that. Excuse the excessive typos. I was watching TV while replying.
instead of saying faweva..at the office with clients its forrreverrr..lolol
i may say wuzzup to someone....at work i would say..Hello Mr. Springsteen pleasure to see you again, would you like some coffee before we go over the presentation. Quarterly earnings did quite well..etc...
when i get back home...all i would have to say is "yo whats doin". lololol
Please explain how 'kars' is pronounced differently than 'cars.'
It's KAHS, not KARS. Kars sounds like cars. KAHS sounds like the sound a crow makes. KAH! KAH! KAH! In the New York area it would be pronounced KAWS! KAWS ! KAWS! In Texas, a yankee would here it as hear it as DOI! DOI! DOI!
It's KAHS, not KARS. Kars sounds like cars. KAHS sounds like the sound a crow makes. KAH! KAH! KAH! In the New York area it would be pronounced KAWS! KAWS ! KAWS! In Texas, a yankee would here it as DOI! DOI! DOI!
well said beef–twice.
@James– Your comment is the reason she lost. My God, just look at your lack of understanding of the English language and before you go crazy on me, I live in FL, too. You have ZERO punctuation, you use the wrong form of words, and no capitalization where need be except for Florida and it's than NOT then and their NOT there. Grammar, on a whole is almost extinct in this country and you just proved it. Wheel could care less how you pronounce and slaughter words in your particular style of down home vernacular, but they do care about it on THEIR show. It's even in the rules that contestants read/ sign AND they are told. It is not the show's fault that many schools in our country and the parents that should be leading their children properly could care less about these things.
"and their NOT there. " Should say, "they're NOT there."
I agree with you, but if you're going to be the grammar nazi know this. It's COULDN"T CARE LESS. Common mistake.
Wow! The incredible lack of basic grammar skills coming from people whining about others' lack of same would be really amusing IF it weren't also so tragic.
BOOOOOO! shame on the Wheel for that we here in Florida speak differently then them out west who are they to say we said it wrong as far as we care there wrong! =P
You obviously can't spell either. I think you meant "they're" and not "there"
It never fails that there is always a "Word Nerd" on these comments that wants to sharpshoot someone on their spelling. Guess that is what happens when you live in a house full of cats (smell like them too) and you cant get laid even if you paid for a blind escort to try to hold their nose while doing the deed. Sad and pathetic little BunnyGoo.
Sniper Joe- You shouldn't criticize other people about what kind of life they live when you obviously live that way too. How else would you know so much about BunnyBoo's life?
Sniffer Joe it never fails that there is always a stupid jerk with an equally stupid insult on these comments. Of course there are comments about the spelling, it is, after all, about a word game. duh! You really need to get a life and stop feeling so insecure about yourself that you have to make a comment like that to make yourself feel better.
anybody see pats christmas "gifts" yet?
LOL Thats Funny right there...
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