Yet another one of NBC's programming decisions is being criticized, but this one doesn't have anything to do with the Olympics.
The network's new reality series featuring celebrities competing in military-esque challenges, "Stars Earn Stripes," is receiving backlash from nine Nobel Peace Prize Laureates, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
In an open letter to the Chairman of NBC Entertainment, Robert Greenblatt, as well as members of the "Stars Earn Stripes" production team, the nine laureates accuse NBC of "glorifying" war and military combat by presenting military training in the same fashion as one would present an athletic competition.
In addition to Tutu, those signing off on Monday's call for the program's cancellation include Jody Williams; Mairead Maguire; Dr. Shirin Ebadi; President José Ramos-Horta; Adolfo Pérez Esquivel; President Oscar Arias Sanchez; Rigoberta Menchú Tum; and Betty Williams.
Citing the website for "Stars Earn Stripes," the letter quotes promotional copy that states "the fast-paced competition" intends to “pay ... homage to the men and women who serve in the U.S. Armed Forces and our first-responder services."
However, the nine undersigned say, "It is our belief that this program pays homage to no one anywhere and continues and expands on an inglorious tradition of glorifying war and armed violence. Military training is not to be compared, subtly or otherwise, with athletic competition by showing commercials throughout the Olympics. Preparing for war is neither amusing nor entertaining."
It's not just NBC that the group criticizes, as they note that in their perspective, "the long history of collaboration between militaries and civilian media and entertainment - and not just in the United States - appears to be getting murkier ..."
To that end, the group's implored NBC to pull "Stars Earn Stripes" from the air, calling it "a massive disservice to those who live and die in armed conflict and suffer its consequences long after the guns of war fall silent."
Earlier this month, "Stars Earn Stripes" made headlines when Sharon Osbourne accused NBC of discrimination when she claimed that the network fired her son Jack from the show after learning of his multiple sclerosis diagnosis.
In a statement, Greenblatt said in part that "as a company that cares deeply about the health and safety of everyone on our shows – especially one like 'Stars Earn Stripes' that requires dangerous water stunts, strenuous physical activity, and uses live ammunition – we required all potential participants to undergo medical vetting to ensure that they could safely participate. Although we did not ask Jack to participate in the competition, we were able to offer him two substantial alternative roles on the show, both of which he declined. This network does not discriminate on any basis.”
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After 9/11, various mainstream media sources revealed that the Pentagon established deep ties to Hollywood for the purpose of producing overt war-time propaganda. Those relationships are still ongoing today, and this "show" is one of the most obvious examples to date.
I am deeply offended by its mere premise and presentation style. It is predictive programming designed to glamorize the inclusion of average civilian twentysomethings in military warfare. Is the Pentagon planning a full-scale invasion of Iran with an accompanying draft now, or something? F%* you, NBC.
Moreover, and as others have correctly pointed out, this "show" also tarnishes those who HAVE voluntarily chosen to serve in our military. Because simply by attempting to normalize the idea of a bunch of mindless consumers "having fun" and "looking cool" in warfare, it therein simultaneously demotes the value of those who are fighting for us overseas to the level of the mindless idiots who are this show's participants.
However you look at it, this show is deeply offensive garbage. For civilians, it is pure, malevolent propaganda. For military, it is a trivialization of everything you are.
So once again: f%* NBC.
I am not real sure what the Nobel prize winners are complaining about, and frankly after Obama was given a Nobel prize for who knows what, I do not hold nobel prize winners is as much esteem as I used to. That being said. I watched the program and I did not find it offensive to our troops, if anything quite the opposite, each and every "star" was quick and seemed sincere in their praise and respect for the military personel. I am also glad that these same stars are doing this to earn money for different military charities. Mr. Crews was the first person to fail his mission and admitted that being an action star is soooooo much easier than the little bit of training they had to go through for this program. At tose of you that posted under a name written in a language we don't understand. You should look at your laws and rules of Sharia before you accuse the U.S. of being warmongers. The God we worship encourages peae and acceptance , Your Allah says death to the infidel, Thats a pretty strong statemnet for warmongering.
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why are people even tuning in..its beyond me.
Don't know who BD is talking about, but BD is all assuming... talks without knowing facts... BD didn't ask if that person has served and if so, where and how. BD is the all-about-me type, thinks BD is the only front liner.
USA = 200+ years of fighting to provide you freedoms of speach and the freedom to talk trash about where you live, AKA crap in you bed and sleep in it.
"Have you ever spent time in an infantry unit? Ever served in a forward area? Ever put your life in another man's hands, ask him to put his life in yours? "
No? Then you shouldn't be commenting here.
You comments can't help but be one sided.
What an incredibly arrogant and ignorant statement you have made. If your comment is any indication, you certainly haven't learned much. And I doubt you've been anywhere, let alone done much.
I deal with the consequences of war every day. It's not only my job, it's part of my life. Everyone of us – all society – is profoundly impacted by war, even those we ourselves may know nothing about, or did not fight. Everyone of us has the right to comment on this issue...or any other. We all fought for that! If you had really "been there" and "done that", you would know that!
For those calling USA "Capitalist pig dogs" and war mongers...Two things.... 1. This country was built on capitalism and will always run on capitalism and 2. The "war Mongers" are keeping you free to talk crap and have saved many lives of others around the world while putting lives are risk and often loosing life for freedom. That freedom also allows you to GTFO of the USA. For those new to the USA, Adapt or GTFO. If we wanted to be like "the old coutry" we would have changed, but we DO NOT. If you like the ways of "the old country" better, return.
@ColoradoSunDevil: Way to go, buddy! Way to keep up that bully mentality! It's "my way or the highway" for you all!! After all, the whole world knows that Americans are born superior, right? And if you don't, you'd better learn it fast!
You forget that this country was built not on hate and war mongering, but on every person's rights – to be equal, to have their voice heard, to disagree – without discrimination or retribution. If you can't accept that, maybe it's YOU who should GTFO.
OK, you've had your say, now GTFO!
"America not built on hate and warmongering"
Bahahahahahahahahaha!! You're probably serious too. Ha!
Someone once asked me my opinion on war. I'm a veteran, so I guess they thought that made me some kind of expert on the subject. Hardly.
I will tell you this.... In my view, it takes a lot more courage to talk peace with your enemy and try to gain mutual understanding than it does to drop bombs on them, or to aim down a gun site and shoot them.
I've done a lot in my life of 40+ years. I'm very proud of my military service. But one of the things I am most proud of was when I once talked down a man who was about to seriously injure or kill myself and about 15 others. This was years after the military. I used compassion, not a gun. He responded. No violence, injury, or death. I've done a lot of things in my life I am proud of, but of that I am perhaps most proud. I didn't even receive a medal, money, or public honors. I just did what I felt was right, and it saved all of us. This doesn't make me some "expert" or "hero"... We all can do this if we really commit ourselves. I believe that.
Thanks. I'm with you and the Nobels, let's boycott the show.
the bottom line is, people are desensitized to violence through bombarment, people laughed at the scene in "Independence Day" as the White House was hit, and a few years laters in became reality, the news networks show bullets penetrating victims as crimes happpen, then hollywood is not creative anymore is the biggest problem
The White House was hit by alien beams? Wow....
Most sports, including most Olympic sports, have their origins in combat or military training. I think these Nobel Prize winners need to do some research. The link between war and sports is inescapable. That's just the way it is.
And I watched the show last night. It most certainly did honor those who serve.
I would like to see Bruce or one of the other Karcashian girls fight Chad Johnson using only a strip of the orange Hotwheel track. The winner would get to be the guest of that Milqetoast English guy.
The very best war movies are actually anti-war movies.
The best morons are oxymorons.
I think a great idea for a reality TV Show would be called "Captured." In the program, all Politicians or Movie Stars that have been found to have lied or committed a criminal act or voted for war but found a way not to serve would be held in a prison that would be called "Andersonville." They would be provided one piece of bread every day but offered early release if they agree to enter the ring against an opponent. The opponents would be volunteers that have served in a Ranger or Marine Infantry Battalion that have trained for a year with a U.S. Olympian. The POL would be given one of those steak knives like you see at Golden Corral, and the opponent would carry an e-tool and the atlatl. The Marine or Ranger would not have lived in the camp; instead, he would have had his choice of TV chef for a month and been fed by nude Playboy bunnies. The commercials would be short bouts of beach volleyball featuring Misty May and Kerri.
"Some day they will give a war, and nobody will come." Carl Sandburg. American Poet.
Yet another warmongering display from those who purported to love peace and fredom. What's up next? Have the Obama Youth goosestepping in time in front of the White House?
Nah. more like sharia, on your knee-ah...
Uh-oh, you just dug a hole for yourself. Here come the rocks!
NBC has never claimed to love peace or freedom.
Seeing celebrities who are too often in unrealistic movies about war getting taken down a peg and having to admit that what they do on screen is nothing like reality does not glorify war. It helps remove illiusions their misleading films teach children.
These Nobel Peace Prize laureates are good for their comedic effect. Do they really have nothing better to do than complain about a TV show? If these laureates took the time to think about the show, they might recognize the value of our military for defense against aggressors. But, no, they are the Neville Chamberlains of our day. Pretend that no one wants to do you harm and declare "peace in our time."
I saw the show and enjoyed it. Was it cheesy and over the top? yes. But it was better than many other reality shows. We got to see the skill of the retired military personnel on the show, as well as the genuine effort by the celebrities to do their best. Did the celebrities become experts? Of course not, nor did they claim to.
The show's main purpose is entertainment. It also gives us an appreciation of our military and raises money for some worthwhile military-related charities. Good deal. As an American, and as a former member of the airborne infantry, I thank NBC.
you serve a tour anywhere Sarge??? cause when i did two in Iraq it was misery upon misery waking up to misery and knowing you have a few hundred more days of misery with a chance of getting wounded, maimed, or killed.... you think I feel ANYTHING but utter CONTEMPT for knucklehead celebrities PRETENDING what they do is even REMOTELY like what I and a few million other men and women went through???? Does it look FUN, ENTERTAINING, EXCITING to you???
Kenny, Thanks for your service. Words can't even explain how grateful I am. My Dad was in the Army for 23 years and saw combat in WWII and Korea. We were stationed in Germany in the early 50s after WWII. I saw a lot of the destruction from the war when I was very young. I grew up, as did so many children, knowing that the world is not a safe place. Thanks for your efforts in trying to make it a little safer from the terrorism the world has been going through.
Kenny: Thank you for your service. I was fortunate enough to serve at a time when we did not go to war. I don't claim to know what you went through, but I appreciate what you and millions of others (including members of my family) went through.
I don't see why you demonize the celebrities for being on a TV show in which they engage in military-style actions. If you watched the show, you saw that they frequently praised the military veterans on the show for their service. What was offensive about them learning to shoot a weapon and going through mock maneuvers? Celebrities do the same thing when they make action movies. Are you equally offended when Terry Crews shoots a weapon in a movie as when he does it on a TV show?
How is this any different then when the same actors dress up like soldiers and 'glorify war' in a movie? Nobel Peace Prize winner or not. It's just Television.
Television shows and movies are different. TV is a more immediate medium coming directly into your private living space. It is a more intimate medium than going to a theater and watching a movie on a large screen. Movies are rated in a system developed to let viewers know about the amount of nudity, violence, and offensive language they contain. You can determine whether to watch them (or rent them) based on the rating system. There are a lot of genres. Horror movies are as violent, possibly even more so, than war movies. Even some sci-fi and action movies have a lot of violence. Television shows aren't rated. Some networks are now warning viewers that the content of the show may be graphic or contain offensive material. Perhaps this show will prompt a TV rating system. It's good to have this discussion about this show because it raises some really important issues.
So when President Obama won a Nobel peace prize while he was increasing the number of troops in Afganistan everyone was cool with that?
I was there. I was cool with that.
Where does the article mention Obama?
I'm cool with it, too. Also cool with the Seal team who got Osama.
This show is an example of free speech. The nobel prize winners are also using free speech, however ratings for the show will now go much higher and the show will be able to donate even more to worthy causes while setting new goals for the performance of our armed forces! Isn't America great!
This show just sucked.
This show is just plain idiocy! It is nothing more than self-serving for NBC.
Capitalist pig dogs!!!
For shame NBC!
What NBC has done with this show crosses the line. They put celebrities in a game show about war and training for war. This glorifies war, and honors no one.
So when these same celebrities are in a movie about war, that's OK? What's the difference? Why aren't the Nobel-9 and you boycotting all war movies?
Yawn........get over yourself.
That depends on the movie content and purpose. Most reputable "war" movies after Vietnam are about the war fighters themselves, their families, and the effects of war on them and society. Consider the times. We have grown (most of us) since the middle of the 20th century. We should act like grown ups, learn the lessons of history, and not glorify war.
I'm pretty sure that real veterans of war are not going to watch this. I'm not. For those that think this is all so cool and enlist, inspired by this show, be prepared for a real wake up.
And that would be different from past recruiting how?
I started watching, after 15 minutes I turned it off. It sucked, and using active duty guys was wrong. Anything for a buck. NBC y'all blew it with this one.
What a bunch of wannabes. And their "SOF" gear looks to be late-90s at best! HA! Checkout those moongoggles on their helmets!
War is good. It keeps Marines employed. :)
I watched the show and found it very entertaining.
It showed the brutal training and physical conditioning our guys have to go through.
It was nice to see the celebs praising their hard work and dedication.
Ummm... not sure if anyone realizes this. But the the U.S. glorifies war at every major sporting event. War is glorified in their national anthem, I don't see anyone trying to condemn that, let alone a television program...
U.S. glorifies war all the time cuz the warmongers want us to be at war of some type all the time so they can make lots of money. Money is love and greed and there is no shortage of that within the beltway.
It's not just a U.S. thing, or greed based. Look at our history as Humanity. We've glorified our warriors as far back as we have recorded history. While I find the show tasteless and somewhat disrespectful for the professional soldiers who server their countries, this isn't a Beltway Greed and Power thing. It's just yet another network Fail.
money is love???
With three current army-enlisted daughters, I will decline to watch. My stars have already earned their stripes...the hard way...
This is consistent with this country's behaviors in world afares where often bruttal wars are chosen to solve conflects. And yet, its government/people often criticize other cultures/countries to be aggressive. Therefore, who is agressive and more violent, and thus against peace, is very clear here.
The noble prize laureates are absolutely correct.
Well, we tried to reason with Osama, but heh, he was busy bombing and rounding up martyrs. And Saddam, well, I think the reasoning with and sanctions didn't work. You tried reasoning with Imagonnadoajob (;0? Just a guess, but I think there's more than one person trying to reason with Assad.
As far as I know (or hope), we still have freedom of speech in this country. These nobel prize winners are definitely going too far here. This is just another stupid reality show. It may be in bad taste, but it's no worse than all the other junk on TV these days. And c'mon people, this is nothing more than a fancy game of paintball with costumes and pyrotechnics. You see more violence in other TV shows, videogames and in the movie theater. If you don't like it, change the channel. Or better, go read a book!
how are they going too far? they have freedom of speech too, right?
What you are referring to (The request of a group of individuals to another group of individuals to remove a show) is not in any way shape or form an attack on the freedom of speech. If the United States government were to force NBC to not air the show, THAT would be infringing on the freedom of speech. Please, I implore you to learn how things actually work.
you are right, but the thing is that this type of contents transform viewers' mind over time. do you know how violent movies and TVs contributed to this country's violence/criminal acts? you may think you can control yourself by realizign that it is just a show. but in reality, your mind gradually changes so that force/violence prevail some day. this country goes to war everywhere killing countless innocent people and this has lots to do with its culture of viewing violence, including how entertainment programing is handled/selected like this one.
Yes, their request IS an attack on free speech. If you want to write to the network and express your disgust with the show, that's fine. But getting together nine nobel prize laureates to call for the cancellation of a TV show is going too far. It is a form of intimidation. It is trying to silence others because you don't agree with their taste or opinion. You have the right to say that you don't agree with their poor choices, but you have no right to demand that they cancel the show.
Yeah, how dare these uppity Nobel winners speak freely and give us their opinions.
Is Dick Cheney gunna be on the show!?! If he is, DON'T GIVE HIM A SHOTGUN!!!
The ironic thing is that much of the Olympics is founded on war training of the past. Sword fighting, javelin throwing, archery, wrestling, etc. So these people who say the two can't be compared are just plain uneducated.
Yes, actually the Modern Pentathalon is based on what skills an ideal soldier would have had during the time of Baron Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the Modern Olympicsm, who invented the sports contest.
It's too late Tutu... American TV has jumped the shark – This is the only kind of stuff being developed – It gets worse, ever hear of hillbilly hand fishing – good lord what people will watch.
And the TV you enjoy is objectively better?
It's personal taste. I can't stand half the people on TV these days, but I don't mind a show that is about the honing of a skill or the celebration of someone's skill. That's why I don't mind some reality TV; it focuses on a skill set or self-improvement.
As for "Hillbilly Hand Fishing," ridiculous name aside, I would love to see you figure out a better way to get a 150 lb catfish out of a muddy hole in a river. It's a sport. Don't like it? Do what I do with the Kardashians, MTV, and American Idol; don't watch.
Dumb concept. Dumb show. Ironic that it comes during a period where whackos are buying camo clothing and going all tactical against innocent civilians in theaters and such.
I do not have to worry about switching channels because I would never turn it on.
Wannabes. The only way to earn your stripes is to stand in the ranks.
I like your comments Eli. Geez, NBC won big with the Olympics and then aired this. Are they revealing a secret death wish?
As others have pointed out this is nothing like real war either. If they really want a reality show about war they should send an actor into a real war zone. Have them visit the front lines and also speak to local civillians. But the actors wouldn't be able to shoot a gun, of course.
I think that's the job of the newsroom. They call them journalists. And they get embedded into combat zones.
Give the 'actors' real weapons with real ammo, strap a critter cam on their helmets and drop them into the Helmand Province in Afghanistan. The show would fold after the first week.
One of them would accidentally shoot the rest before they even got out of the helicopter.
I am a patriotic American and I think war is sometimes necessary but I agree with Bishop Tutu on this. It's one thing to join the military for a career or because your country was just attacked and you want to try and help out. It's something else to turn it into a game show.
Not a lot of difference between this show and John Wayne movies such as Iwo Jima and the Green Berets, where service in the Marines and the Green Berets was glorified. There are many military shows, especially on the Military Channel. This is simply one more. Those who find the military life attractive, will like it, those who don't won't.
I tuned into this show for a few minutes last night and as soon as I saw that they had General Wesley Clark as a Consultant I turned it off. I have had personal dealings with Gen. Clark and I found him to be lacking in many areas, anything he is associated with should be shunned. I am a retired US Navy Intelligence Analyst and I cringe every time I see CNN bring him in to give a "military" perspective on an on going operation. He is an embarassement! And he knows he should not be commenting on things but he does it for the money that CNN pays him. He should be brought up on charges according to the UCMJ.
Charges under the UCMJ? You must ahve googled the UCMJ, because nobody who ever actualy served this country in uniform would be stupid enough to believe the UCMJ applies to anyone who has retired or separated, as General Clark did a number of years ago......
Wobbles, you must be an enlisted man. Because every officer knows that they are still subject to UCMJ when collecting a retirement paycheck. You have to resign your commission (and resign your retirement pay) to no longer be subject to UCMJ.
I take it you're a staunch Republican.
Obama won a peace prize; where's his protest?
I never thought I'd say this but it may be time for the government to oversee what is on the air. Not to become a censor but and panel of second sober thought. Made up of both right, left and middle.
The networks have shown that they cannot use OUR airwaves properly!
You can censor it by switching the channel. Eventually, they will get the idea that nobody is watching and the show will be canceled.
Typical liberal response. Government come regulate and save the world. You may not be aware, but there's this little button on the TV that turns it off. And another one that changes the channel. And you don't have to get the government involved to use either one. Stop being a pansy and begging the government to save you, be a freedom loving american and make a personal choice instead of trying to inflict your view on other people like this is a communist country.
His name was John on the Right Wing. I don't think he was spouting any kind of liberal opinion. But being a liberal myself, I don't want government getting into the tv censorship business. If we don't watch, the show will eventually be cancelled.
What part of that is not censorship?
Are you kidding me? Invite the government in to "consult" on what studios should release? I am by no means an anti-government extremist, but I know good and well that giving politicians the smallest mole hill will become th Rocky Mountains. Once politicians get the idea that they can sway voters by controlling media...they will be like a school of piranah.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
As Long as it is the Smell of Wall Street Burning after the MILLION MOLOTOV MARCH it will Smell Like VICTORY
Worst show idea ever, it not only glorifies war but mocks our men and women in uniform and especially anyone who has died in service. Movies glorifying war have been on the rise the past decade...300, transformers, GI Joe, Battleship....where's Oliver Stone when you need him.
I think this is a rip off of a Russian reality TV show
You really think that stories glorifying war and conflict have been on the rise in the past DECADE? Go back to the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Heck, even the 90s had a ton of movies about warfare. Armed conflict makes for great stories. Why is that? Because we are creatures of conflict. Nature is conflict. We love hearing stories of great battles, especially if we won. Proof of that is WWII videogames. Far more people have spent far more time fighting World War II since the 90s than soldiers did from '39 to '45.
Creatures of conflict, buddy. Have been for thousands of years, before TV, video games, radio, books, even writing. Took us a long time to get those things. But we had rocks.
Aren't all of your kids playing Modern WarFare 7 right now? At least this makes money for charity. Gah if is isn't Chic-fila it's something else.
What most people don't understand is that 70+ percent of this country's citizenry are ignorant and lazy. Rather than pick up a book and read to learn something of the world around them, they get their mental exercise by watching innane network dribble such as "Dancing with the Stars", 'Jersey Shore", and "Idiot Stars Earn Stupid Stripes." Their likely only source of information is the right-wing opinions spewed on FOX News. or by Rush Linbaugh. Most people in the country haven't got a clue about our government, economics, or world politics. They only know how to flick on the TV and get immediate, numbing, transferred gratification. This country (and world, because of the example of our way of life we export to the world) is getting dumber and dumber. Shame on the networks for adding to the dumbing of America!
70% of the country is lazy, information is spwede by right wingers? How did Obama win then?
Amen! Don't forget the Real Housewives, Keeping Up with the K, Man with 5 wives, Pregnant teens, Dog the bounty hunter, Bill the exterminator there are so many I can't think of all of them. Get better shows. I have never of heard of Stars and Stripes. If you want to pretend to be in the military then join the real thing.
You left off the Radical Left Wing News Media from you list, I agree with your statement but please be all inclusive.
Still have a brain with nothing in it, six major news agencies, all reporting the exact same dribble, word for word, don't believe me, next time you read a story on AP, find it on CNN or MSNBC, or CBS. It will be the same story, word for word, scrubed clean and spun just right for the masses. If you think only people who watch Fox news are mindless sheep, YOUR the problem.
I LOVE it!!! This is the type of training the military does on a regular basis. The civilian world has no idea, and therefore no respect, for what it takes to keep this country free. People SAY they support the troops, but don't put their money where their mouth is. This show exposes what the military does and supports the charities that actually help. Good job NBC. Keep the show going!
GOD of WAR – I am sometime amused and often saddened when I hear people say that AMERICA is a CHRISTIAN Nation – Ridiculous – Not ONE person in a THOUSAND follows the TEACHINGS of the CHRIST > Instead AMERICA Worships WAR and MONEY usually referred to as MAMMON. The 'Greatest Glory' a Non-Job-Creator can Aspire to is his "Sacred Duty" To Murder and Die for the Glory of the Cloth on the Wall he was taught to WORSHIP in SCHOOL.
Just another recruiting tool to snare stupid, naive kids into joining the military industrial complex......we have so many future wars planned on the horizon for the defense contractors, got to start getting them when they're real young......have fun with those video games now, kid, cuz it ain't a game in real life
As one of the "stupid, naive kids (who joined) the military industrial complex" I would like be the first to encourage you to exit my beloved country immediately. That is, if you can scrape yourself up off the couch.
This is an ENTERTAINMENT SHOW. It is for ENTERTAINMENT. Those of us who have the courage/calling to join the military still reserve the right to "quit" during recruit training or officer candidates school.
News flash – actual military training, to include entry-level boot camp and OCS as well as follow-on specialty schools, is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult than what is show on television.
FYI – I only go to war when YOUR elected officials order me to. And yes, that includes both liberals and democrats. I've fought when one of each was in office.
I'm pretty sure the most stupid person in the military have more brains than you!
@Get in Line
Can you say CooCoo for CoCo Puffs....I knew you could!
Let me get a grasp on this article. Your going to protest this TV show which granted doesn’t come close to military training “but it’s for a good cause, money going to charity” and it gives people a small glimpse of the military “for those who never dealt with the military”. But no one says a thing about all those reality shows that display and glorifies nothing but bad examples of human nature. What has happened to this country in the last few decades “it’s sad”?
"But no one says a thing about all those reality shows that display and glorifies nothing but bad examples of human nature"
Au contraire, mon ami! Many people complain about those shows, including myself. We all have to help keep the networks in line with some form of universally accepted morale standard, otherwise our cultures suffer universally.
Regarding the nature of the show in question... I saw an episode, and I also felt it was little more than than a gratuitous glorification of war, and not a tribute to those who suffer and die in war, and from the consequences of war long after. I am a veteran, and as a veteran I feel the show should be canceled.
Alternatively, they could post a disclaimer in the beginning and inbetween commercial breaks, such as "The following show presents violence and training for war that may be disturbing to some viewers. This show is for entertainment, and is in no way meant to glorify war. We at NBC recognize and respect those who have suffered and died in war, and we honor them."
Or something like that. I agree with the Nobel Laureates... NBC and the general media must behave responsibly, especially when it comes to sensitive issues such as war.
So anything goes if some money goes to charity? It's even more distasteful that the show is using this tactic. It means they know the show is awful.
It does seem like a stupid idea for a TV show. I think a better show would be to put politicians that keep voting for wars through boot camp and then a week long deployment in some bombed out hell hole. Maybe they'd learn a thing or two, and if a few don't make it back....well all the better.
Best post. I couldn't agree more.
Of course it glorifies war and serves as a recruiting tool for kids. They make it look like a video game so kids will want to enlist and join the war machine. Basically the only options they have these days is to join the machine or go to jail. This is what a declining society looks like.
Or, and this is just a thought, we could teach our children properly, and remind them that nothing in life is free, and the best way to get anything out of life is hard work and sacrifice? Maybe encourage them to be well-balanced, law-abiding citizens who can actually perform a job that is useful to society as a whole?
My parents raised three children, the first born when Dad was 21 and Mom was 19. We were held to a high standard for our scholastic performance, and were responsible for maintaining that standard. We were also encouraged to pursue our hobbies, but not at the expense of our work. Because of these values, those kids became a medical doctor, a teacher and artist, and a nuclear systems engineer.
Hard work. Sacrifice. Values. Standards. That's your option.
Worst idea ever for a show. Whats next? A real life Running Man or Hunger Games? Only in America.
Its a shame that these stars don't finish their 'reality tv show" with reality, a year combat tour in Afghanistan. In their own unit of course because I sure wouldn't want them on patrol with me.
What's next, a protest over re-runs of M*A*S*H?
This is pretty over the top, makes me wonder how the "laureates" involved even heard about the show....
I think some people just like being offended. Why aren't you protesting the gazillion war movies?
I'll bet all white supremacists have a new favorite tv show. Personally, I could give a rip. I have the option to not watch, and that is exactly what I intend to do. Problem solved for me.
Nobel Prize winners care about a t.v. show? I can think of a few hundred things they *should* be protesting instead.
I wonder why our great peace-making president, holder of a Nobel Peace prize, did not join the other Nobel prize wiinners. Seems he should be leading the pack.
Because if he did you'd be complaining about him intruding on private enterprise with government regulations or something. Lets face it, you wouldn't be happy no matter what he did.
WMESSER: Feel free to insult public busybodies all you want. Nobel receivership is not godhood and when people try ad take a hand in controlling what the public does and thinks they are tacitly giving away ownership of their right to privacy and respect. The most dangerous people in the world are those with influence believing and acting on what what they think the public needs regardless of what the public indicates.
I haven't watched the show. I don't need to. I don't watch any celebrity vehicles. They all nauseate me but if someone wants to watch one it's no business of some MORON Nobel Laureate.
its a tv show people, get off your soap boxes. if you dont want to watch it turn to another channel.
The fact of the matter is that this show is merely entertainment, its what the masses want and what the masses want they shall have and no set of gears is bigger than the entertainment industry.
btw to all those military families how does it feel when something you hold dearly is trivialized?? Value is relative and now everyone should be aware of that.
Judging by the responses here, this is NOT what the "masses" want. As far as
just turning it off, that is almost impossible because this type of thing becomes pervasive. Other networks will do copycat shows and then we'll be seeing so much of it that after a while we'll become numb to it. Eventually, it becomes the new normal. I think I'll just stop buying any products from companies who support this type of show.
It denegrates our Vets who die for their country. Disgusting.
Did you even watch the show??? I did... and as a veteran I was pleased with the show.
This show is disgraceful. A bunch of B-grade actors pretending to go through military training. Why don't they sign up and serve their country for real? No way any of them would do that. Sharon Osborne should be happy her son isn't on this disgusting show. I have a nephew in a military zone right now. Every time I hear of some more soldiers killed, I pray to God it's not him. I honor him daily and won't watch a bunch of actors pretending to even come close to the courage it takes to do it for real. Clueless show. Clueless NBC.
Let's start with getting the cr*p off TLC, then start in on this show.
Let's do one with little black kids from the ghetto and call it "America's top child soldier".
It's really funny to be up in arms about this show. Jersey Shore, Real Housewifes of wearever and keeping up with the ever annoying Kardashians is soooooo much less offensive...geez give me a break. They are playing for charity..I don't care if they stand on their head for the money. Quit making such a big deal about every single little thing. Political correctness is not needed for EVERYTHING. My husband, father, brother, son, and nephews all served. It's not about war or military snobbiness. It's about raising money for charity and fun to watch.
As an Army Iraq vet I think its nice that they are donating to veterans charities for prizes, but as a war vet, I can't help but think this is a bit sick, as this show in no way comes close, or could ever hope to come close to showing what real combat is like, hell it doesn't even come close to training. Real training sucks, you don't sleep for days, your constantly moving no rest. In real war people die, get seriously hurt, you burn your own waste you don't get to see friends in family for 12-15 months. I can't help but think this glorifies, and minimalizes the emotional and physical aspects of war.
What part of this show is supposed to be about combat? I thought it was strictly about training, no?
wow... i must have watched a different show than most of you watched... as far as it being demeaning towards our military, i didn't see it. to me it was interesting to get a little insight into what our armed forces go thru. and am i the only one who heard many of the actors complementing our military, and saying they had even MORE respect for them after going thru the exercises? if anything the show exemplified the hard work and training it takes to make up the finest military in the modern world. so many people saying that it's demeaning, but yet no one bothered to explain exactly HOW they thought it was so. i'm just wondering... how many of you actually watched the whole program, before you reached this decision?
I'm afraid that after Nobama was GIVEN the Nobel peace prize I have a hard time taking anyone with one seriously.
Anyone shocked that a Palin will be on this show? No? Didn't think so
To Real Vet: right on the money!!
Thanks from another real vet.
I am a veteran and like I said in my earlier response this is disrespectful to military personnel and their families. Especially to those who have died or have been wounded in REAL (not scripted TV) combat!!!!!!
How do you feel about the 100's upon 100's of war movies?
Does it complicate matters if the actors have seen real combat?
Rich famous people as FAKE soldiers. I told my sister that I wouldn't be watching the show the concept of it stinks. Earn a real uniform, if you can't do that then you need to sit down somewhere. Yes I, 4 of my siblings and father have proudly served this country!
I totally agree with you. And then to hear the advertisment, "I could DIE!!!!!". What a load of horse dung. The training officers are sell outs.
Hmmm, perhaps a bit of social conditioning from a nation that has embraced perpetual war?
On the other hand sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.... but I wonder nonetheless.
Well embrace this: Osama bin Ladin, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, just to name a few. I'm just guessing, but as a nation, we've stopped more wars than we've started.
Okay, let's just start at the revolutionary war. We've been a country from 1776 onward. So, that's 236 years.
Revolutionary War: 1775-1783 (8 years)
War of 1812: 1812-1815 (3 years)
Mexican-American War: 1846-1848 (2 years)
Civil War: 1861-1865 (4 years)
Spanish-American War: 1898 (1 year)
Philippine-American War: 1899-1902 (3 years)
Moro Rebellion: 1899-1913 (14 years)
Border War: 1910-1919 (9 years)
World War I: 1917-1918 (2 years U.S. Involvement)
World War II: 1939-1945 (6 years U.S. Involvement)
Cold War: 1945-1991 (46 years, includes 3 year Korean War and 20 year Vietnam War)
Persian Gulf War: 1990-1991 (1 year)
War on Terror: 2001-2012 (11 years and running)
Total comes out to 110 years, and that's not even counting the unrelated "policing actions." 110 years out of 236; we've spent nearly half our nation's life in warfare. 13 major conflicts listed. By that math, we have a war every generation. Of course we've resigned ourselves to constant warfare. We did that once we established the nation.
OK Tesla, so how many of these wars did we start because we wanted to invade or seize another country and how many of these wars did we get involved in because we were defending ourselves against tyranny or invasion, or assisting another country from tyranny or invasion?
I think it's a disgrace for these people to glorify and play games with this subject!!! Thousands of men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice by losing their lives during war so we can all be free and these people see it as a game and make a reality show out of it!!! It's very dis-tasteful and I have lost respect for all of the "celebrities" on this show. Go to a military funeral and watch a grieving family and see if you'll feel comfortable watching this BS afterwards!!!!! War is not a game and this is not the amazing race or american idol!!!! This is mockery of brave men and women who are on the battlefields everyday facing near death by the minute. Pull the plug on this garbage and show some respect for our wounded, deceased and current military personnel and their families!!!
I wonder how many so called "vets" on this thread are actually real? Because I can't for the life of me understand how any true Veteran who has lost friends, lost limbs, damn near lost themselves..could possibly think this s**T is cute? I can't understand how any Family member of a veteran who never came back, did come back but missing not even just a limb , but a part of them they could NEVER get back mentally can possibly think this s**t is alright? This crap goes right along with that Navy Seals Movie. When did we start bragging about what we do? Since when did being a True HERO include being a braggart?
Outside of dumbing down the masses even more...at what point , Outside of the charities which I'm sure they threw that in just so they can justify this BS, does anyone benefit from this in any way?
Just my opinion but.....I just can't see any real veteran or true supporters of veterans, that isn't financially vested in this, approving of this.
How do you feel about the last 1,000 or so war movies?
I completely agree. Reality TV is at the heart of what is wrong with humanity. It is self-absorbed, self-glorifying, immediate gratification garbage.
Thank you for putting into words all the feelings that welled up in me when I saw the show Stars Earn Stripes advertised. My brother who was 24 and had a pregnant wife was killed in Desert Storm over 20 years ago. My familie's pain has never gone away. His beautiful daughter never saw him. I think about everything he has missed every day. That's reality, not a game.
I agree with Desmond Tutu Completely! NBC could not master the 'balls to show us Live Olympics. It was the most boring olympics where they kept showing us events that were pre-recorded, thus taking away the nice flavor that the Olympics should have. Now they have stooped this low to glorify war? Just so sad. The young men and women from America should learn to be ambassadors of peace. Look what war has brought to America? Wounded and maimed soldiers. Learn to spread love and peace around the world. I disagree with anyone who says that the US armed forces do more for peace around the world. Tell that to the Iraqis! If they have have done more for peace, that has to be inside the United States because we have never seen it anywhere else.
@Walter you know your history. In fact for the longest time Sport were designed to showcase a small example of combat. My best friend earned a mountain tab and airborne tab, and ranger tab. Served two tours in Afghanistan. He completed selection but didn't get selected for special forces. College grad, volunteer firefighter and now a NYPD cop (which I give him such a hard time about and he honestly hates the NYPD. However he enjoys talking about all of his training and drilling with his soldiers. his first tour was boring his second was rough. All this show does is show how celebrities are getting a wake up call. I mean we have had celebrity police shows before. NBC not showing the Olympics live. That is because the vast majority of Americans do not care. Sad fact.
ALL reality shows are stupid and inane. Soon no one will have a brain cell left in their head.
Exactly..ever see the movie Idiocracy? We are there now...
good.....good...no Brain cells insures my complete and utter dominance over mankind...BWHUHUHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
So true. I am not defending the show itself just criticizing it's critics alleged peace prize winners.
Who cares, I watched the first episode and got bored seeing the same thing done 4 times over. A couple stars might have almost drowned, but other than that. It was boring as hell.
These Nobel Peace Prize Laureates should focus on areas where we need them such as in Syria. Maybe all nine of them can travel to Syria and protest the murders of civilians by military personnel.
These TV networks do a lot of focus group studies and other research to determine what it is that people want to watch. They have to. They're a business. So these peace laureates need to figure out how to make people not want to watch this crap. Until they can do that, telling a network to do something that's bad for their business is going to continue to get laughed at. You might as well tell Coca-Cola to stop selling pop because it's bad for you. Or tell fast food restaurants to only sell fruits and vegetables. What a stupid effort on the part of so-called smart people.
Let's launch a war against...say....Rwanda, and have helmet cams on all our soldiers so we can make it into a reality TV show. To make the live broadcast killings more palatable we will donate cool uniforms to our new enemies that have "hoodies" and claim their country stockpiled yellow cake uranium, WMD's and has direct ties to terrorist groups etc...etc.... The viewing audience picks a soldier who they think will make the most kills in the next 24 hours and gets cool prizes if their "hero" wins. Scoring would be 5 points for children, 10 points for women and the elderly and 30 points for armed uniformed men. Americans would love this! They would be drinking bunkerbuster beer and eating freedom fries gaining yet another hundred pounds while watching the carnage unfold. Side cameo's would portray the winning soldiers dating preferences, likes and dislikes and he would get a date with Kim K.! Spin off show!
Bit off base I think by Nobel guys.
They are obviously not trying to glorify war, more like showing the extreme level of difficulty and condition it takes to perform these duties.
The whole concept of "stars" doing this garbage to show how tough military life is is disingenuous at best. "Hey, I'm a star and I can do anything. Will this make me more famous? Watch me put on a flak jacket and roll in the mud! And I don't even have to go to Afghanistan! Wow! I look soooo cool! Hey, where's my trailer? And I said sparkling water, damn it! Where's my therapist? Hey, is everybody cool with going to Marko's tonight for drinks?"
Draft them all and make them do the real thing. Then let's look at the smiles on their faces.
...and by the way, for those of you who call these people knuckleheads, etc., read up on the a little. Then, after reviewing their accomplishments to help better the human condition, you can still belittle them-dig a hole and climb in. You'll help the rest of us.
You Posters who compare patriotism with war are morons. We're SUPPOSED to go to war as a last resort in order to protect or preserve peace–not for glorification. These people are 100% right! War should not be glorified–in either TV, movies, or games. If anything, whenever it is visually shown it should be with the goal to show the absolute horror of it–not the glory!
Who gives a rats behind what nine nobel knuckleheads think abut a tv show. If you don't like it, don't watch it, but don't act all self important and demand it be taken off the air.
Wow. And the protesters have such a winning record of achieving peace, themselves. Last time I checked, a majority of Africa doesn't have cable. Since Tutu claims to be an expert on peace, what are his REAL WORLD accomplishments? Has he prevented a conflict? Newsflash: 99.99% of the peace on this Earth is still issued forth from the barrel of a gun. Whether by use of force or via deterrence. Tutu can live in his little fantasy where simply yapping about peace works. In reality, this isn't the case.
You clearly have not read anything about the accomplishments of Mr. Tutu.
I couldn't give a flying fornication what one hundred and nine nobel piece price prize Laureates have to say not to mention NINE. Our military does more to promote peace than these folks could ever comprehend.
If these people enjoy their freedoms, then these are people they need to be thanking! These men are the tool that these "peace prize winners" use to acomplish the task. And on a side note if they don't think its an atheletic event have them try and carry 100 pounds of gear jump out of helicopters, swim, run, and carry things.....total BS these men and women deserve more!
You sound like a little boy. Go back to your basement and play with your Mario Bros.
Are you saying that America is just another "dirtball country"? (probably not, that's just how it reads).
I'm disappointed with Wesley Clark. Apparently his pension from Uncle Sugar enough to pay the bills? Sad indeed...
so i assume everyone protesting this show for its glorification of war also protested the oIympics since as aside from synchronized diving and women's gymnastics most of the events are based upon skills and attributes required for combat. i haven't seen the show yet, so not sure if they do anything to disrespect those of us who serve and served, but the ads i've seen all portray this as actors facing the challenges of Training, not a claim that they are making any of the true sacrifices that those of us in the military actually have faced, which mostly come after training.
If they used live ammo and ordinance, and it was a battle to the death among the celebrities, then maybe I'd watch this show.
Practically every movie out of Hollywood and 90% of video games glorify war and violence. Their protest would be better spent targetting the computer game and film industries. It's odd that they focused on just this show rather than the whole industry. Some of the most Liberal celebrities star in violent movies. But yet they do not see the hypocrisy while it funds their own lavish lifestyles.
I have to agree with most of the critics of Stars Earn Stripes ... war games on TV is not quite my choice form of entertainment. (I did watch about ten minutes of Stripes just to see what it was all about) Where are the critics concerning all the COP shows on air. Where are the protests for the nightly bombardment of death, fear and mayhem at the hands of NYC, LA, Miami, Chicago and Hawaiian police forces ? Where are the Nobel Hotshots now ?
Too bad Yasser Arafat isn't around to join the protest.
What does that even mean?
Yes, please explain so that I can stop laughing....
"Military-esque" is one thing, the actual military is something else entirely. It's like comparing the rigors of ROTC with that of advanced infantry school. One side teaches you physical training, the other side teaches you concepts like "L-shaped ambush" and "fire and maneuver".
You know it is easy to say clikc the switch and watch anothe channel but that is exactly what they can do. This is a tribute to all the men and women who go through this training for real and it is hard, these 'stars' might be tested but they will not do half what the real guys do. I for one look forward to seeing the show, and how dae these people tel us what we can and cannot watch – let them go preach to the terrorists out there which necessitate us haivng to have so many military personnel. I for one respect these 'stars' for even attempting to do this training and showing us what our real heroes go through.
Nazi Germany all over again. A culture of war, aggression, and violence.
WHAT ARE WE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN???
If you think this is how we protect ourselves, look around. Our wars of aggression (premptive attacks on "enemies") go on and we fall apart from the inside out.
The American Dream is DEAD, and programs like this are more proof of a nation in the last throes, struggling to maintain its position in the world. The name ROME sound familiar.
"Nazi Germany all over again"? Hyperbole much, do we?
ROME? What does this have to do with pedophilia?
Your name on here fits "boyamidumb". Nazi Germany, Rome? Just stop watching and relax.
Conrad – I have never seen it used hyperbole used as a verb. However, as I made my point, I assume that you were attempting to make yours? Back to school for you. Get that GED boy; you can do it.
This show is clear evidence that as a society, Americans love war and violence. We say we don't but we really do. Now war is dished out to us as entertainment.
"Now"? Have you been living under a rock for the past 7 decades or so?
What a joke this show is. Take some celebs, dress em up in bdu's and helmets and let them run around and play in the mud. Then after a couple of hours of filming, back to the trailers for hot showers some scotch and cigars. Package it as the "real" way it is...Want to impress? Deploy them for 6 months to Afghanistan and follow them every day with cameras.
While I totally agree with the protest, I don't think the majority of this country is remotely smart enough to understand that real people die and get maimed in war and that it's not an action to enter into lightly. The U.S. citizens treat it like a football game. If for no other reason, we need to bring back the draft and not allow anything but ground war (no drones, no killing helpless little shepherds from a distance). If some of these idiots had to go over and actually experience the terror of war, they wouldn't be quite so eager to even reenact it.
So you prefer that more of our soldiers be exposed to direct combat? Sick monkey, you are.
All I see is people saying this is glorifying “WAR”. No one person has hit on what this show is doing by donating money to charities. Most of them are veteran charities. I watched the show last night and found it very interesting. The actors.....yes actors, are only getting a taste of the TRAINING our military go through. Yes the training is dangerous but, the actors have got safety nets to protect them from real harm. The actors will never really feel what our military go through, see, or feel in real combat. I do see that it gives them a taste of the hard work to be done to survive in combat. The teams are playing for a charity of their choosing like USO, Got Your 6, Pat Tillman Foundation, Wounded Warrior, Armed Service YMCA, Hiring Our Hero’s, Military Child Coalition. One is for are hero’s that protect us on the street in every US city and that is the Badge of Honor. So if you don't like the show don't watch it, get out your check books, Noble Peace Prize winners and donate $10,000 or more to the charities. Then complain about the show. Get over yourselves and respect that the celebrities are doing something to HELP our Hero’s and their families. I haven't seen anything from the Nobel Pease Prize winners to support our hero’s and their families. You may have received one of the highs awards in the world but, our hero’s and their families have given their lives and there is no award for that! So until the Nobel Peace Prize winners or anybody else, for that matter, donates more money for our hero’s than NBC's “Celebrities Earn Stripes” then turn off your TV’s go read a book and be thankful for the hero’s that fought and lost their lives to give you time to do so. As a 20 year retired veteran with 3 back to back tours in the Middle East stop looking at what “YOU” think is bad and see the good in things. I say, Bravo Zulu NBC and celebrities doing something to support are Hero’s and there Families.
Sorry NBC and folks it's "Stars Earn Stripes".
Finally!! Someone who has actually seen the ENTIRE episode!! I have also watched the show and have garnered a whole new level of respect for our military, including my brother (Army) who has done two tours in Iraq and one in Afganistan (And yes he is home and working as a Corrections Officer). The celebrities involved are earning donations to Charities for our military, their families and likewise for our police force and their families. I saw nothing glorious at all. But I did see a lot of will and determination to do their "mission" and do it well. I will continue to watch this show and find out how to also contribute to the Charities the celebs are working for, and hope people will do likewise. It not enough to just smile, salute and offer to shake their hands when our soldiers come home. Some need more backup than that. And the Charities involved will help to see them through as best as they can. WE CAN HELP by donating to these Charities as well.
Thanks for saying it bush voter. Tired off the b.s. anti us crap I'm always reading. All we do to you is rape, plunder and kill for fun. Like we don't have better things to do.
It's a stupid show and an insult to those who serve(d).
Regardless of the alleged rigor these pampered pseudo-celebrities "endure" the show is nothing like the life.
The whole concept of war as entertainment is abhorrent. It is disrespectful to everyone involved in any armed conflict. NBC should be ashamed.
Next thing you know they will start producing war based movies! This is the slippery slope.....
Imagine, pampered actors pretending to be soldiers going into danger, pretending to be shot at and pretending to die. Could you imagine if they actually did that?
NBC execs should hang their heads in shame. If this show is successful and Hollywood notices we could be subjected to movies about wars and other sorts of violence.
I am offended by the liberal, tree-hugging-hippie protestors!
Too much Rush, eh?
The Hunger Games have arrived! Almost.......... There is so much wrong about this program.
Well, except that this isn't a teenage love story...
Then dont watch it it is a free country. Or do you want it a socialist country cause thats where people like you are heading it.
It's a stupid, juvenile program–perfect for the American audience.
And you are a bigot.
Just another example of why guns and violence are our true national religion. It's in every aspect of our culture. In this show, violence is a glorified game, not to defend any values or lives, but simply for it's own sake and to sell products, of course. And we wonder why we have a cultural problem with violence in this country..
I hope you also believe that mysogynistic/violent rap lyrics cause rape.
don't watch it you idiot!!!! I turned off
You are 100% on target. And we wonder why we have nut cases that shoot up cinemas and college campuses. We ask for it.
If the public does not like the show it will not be watched and it will go off the air.
You are very correct if people dont like it why dont they just not watch it!!!
All the major wars that have been fought had to do with religion maybe religious leaders should start in their own back yards first.
I am curious to see how you tie religion to ALL the major wars.
While religion has been a basis for many wars, I don't recall World War I, World War II, the Napoleonic Wars or the conquests of the Roman Empire being fueled primarily by religion.
This "reality show" has to be among the stupidest yet. Just one more POS program that isn't going to be wasting electricity in our home.
had not heard of this show before and have no intrest in reality tv but since these people are against it do not want it to be aired then I well definatly check it out.
Have another toke.
Save yourself an hour and skip it. It is akin to survivor with guns. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Wesley Clark was a pompous egomaniac. This is not another way of saying "good soldier." Ranking people like him from 1-100 with 1 being an extremely pompous as! and 100 being just a pompous as!, he would occupy 95 of the top spots.
Bravo to the Nobel Prize Winners for standing up and against the corporate media and the military industrial complex.
If we still had the draft Americans would have been protesting the foolishness of Afghanistan and Iraq and the misquided misnomer of the War on Terror.
Because the government only victimizes well intentioned fools though who volunteer for jobs as paid killers and destroyers most Americans have become detatched from the reality that as a nation about the only thing we manufacture and export these days is war.
This is just another way to entice young and easily impressionable people into joining the military.
Just another way of keeping a full time agenda of death and destruction as a means to an end going.
No one wins through violence and confrontation our 16 trillion dollar in debt bankrupt treasury proves that.
There are NO bad people in the world. There is NOTHING worth fighting for. G O D D A M! I'd hate to be your significant other if confronted by a bad guy in an alley after a nice dinner out.
I hope you also believe that mysogynistic/violent rap lyrics cause rape and murder!
So in your post you called all military members hired killers and foolish. You also tried to suggest that our entire national debt can be laid at the feet of defense spending. Are you full of only hyperbole or do you have anything substantive to say? I would wager you don't personally know a single military member or you might have a more realistic view of who we are. There are doctors, lawyers, mechanics, personnel clerks and many other jobs in the military but instead of learning anything about us you hide in on the internet and take potshots. What a wonderful person you must be.
Signed–one of the guys who promised to die to protect your family
Whoa there, Sparky! "Military industrial complex?" Really, guy?! Don't assume you understand the rationale behind young people joining the military. Not everyone is a "paid killer" as you assume. While I disapprove of this show on the basis that it belittles the actual rigor, stress, and violence of combat and combat training, I am still proud to engage in those actions as a member of the U.S. Marine Corps. I mean, someone has to protect your right to spout that crap, right? Right. Motivate!
I am sick of these young zombie-squad tactical wannabes acting like they are paying homage to warriors by playing dress-up. Notice the mentally challenged are buying the military gear and trying to get their "moment of glory" by raiding theaters, or fighting law enforcement officers. Instead of "Stars Earn Stripes," it ought to be "Stars Avoid Serving By Playing Dressup." Candy-A$$.
X-box will have what effect on todays children? How about attacking the paint ball businesses also? Hey, maybe chess games too!
Aren't pretty much all the Olympics track + field events based in military origins?
The missile programs: hammer, discus, javelin.
Running, swimming, jumping are all things that the Greek armies needed to do.
Pole vault, high jump: get over enemy emplacements.
I will decline to mention the shooting events, as those are pretty much self-explanatory.
The Modern Pentathalon event evolved out of the training and testing Napoleon's army gave to battlefield couriers: pistol shooting, fencing, swimming, equestrian, and running.
I don't get the protests. This type of entertainment, whether it be a TV show, movie, video game or book, has been (and will be) around for years. Do you know why? Because violence is as much a part of being human as breathing. Every human being (every living creature, for that matter) on the planet has a capacity for violence, the only difference is how well each of us controls it. Look at our history. Look at what's going on in the world today. Is it any surprise that we are drawn to something that appeals to us on an instinctual level? They are only giving us what we want (which explains the steady stream of "reality" shows that everyone claims to despise so much).
Bottom line: stop responding to violent media it they'll stop producing it.
As an American who lost two loved ones because they chose to serve this country – – one was a solider in Iraq and the other was a 9/11 first responder, I and my family find the premise of this show extremely distasteful. They died in service to this country but they were horrible painful deaths and I resent this type of Hollywood B.S. that glorifies this type of violence. It's about so much more than just TV; it is a national mindset and it is wrong.
Exactly. War is not a game. I've always admired Wesley Clark and can't imagine what in the he** he's thinking here. When people are dying daily in real military "stunts" (and the fact that people involved in the show use this word tells you something right there) this is particularly offensive (and it would have been offensive even if we weren't a country involved in a long conflict).
Of all the reality tv shows, why not complain about Jersey Shore? Yea, it doesn't glorify war but it glorifies being retarded.
Non-talent based reality tv shows all glorify being idiots of one sort or another.
Spread the word to end the word.
No kidding, half the shows on tv celebrate stupidity. The NAACP complained about Amos and Andy (which I don't think perpetuated stereotypes as bad as 80% of programming these days), but didn't complain about shows I think are 10 billion times as far as stereotypes are concerned.
As for this show, I think it's possible to appreciate and show the hardship and training troops experience without glorifying war.
War is not a game. This program does a disservice to U.S. military personnel, no matter that Wesley Clark is in it to "legitimize" it. No wonder NBC is at the bottom in the ratings. It deserves to be.
Stupid concept. Not worthy of Gen. Clark. I have no intention of watching a single minute.
NOT WORTHY OF GEN CLARK? You DO understand he is getting paid for this right? Do you also understand that tens of thousands of dollars are being raised for VERY worthy charities?
War is glorified all the time, nothing new here. Have they seen the blockbuster movies and the weeky tv crime shows? Violence sells in todays world.
And in yesterday's world as well...
I really can't figure what has everyone's panties in such a bunch. Everything they are saying goes for war movies, maybe even more so.
I'll bet most(not all) of those complaining here have watched Saving Private Ryan or some other similar movie.
Shut up, eggheads. No one cares what you think about TV programming.
There are many channels to watch. If you don't like it, change the channel.
...slow clap...Too bad your thoughts won't be put into action. God/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster (deity of your choosing) forbid people actually change the channel or just get off the couch
It is NBC's thirst for money and ratings. All of the networks are morally responsible for the current social state of this country. Reality TV is not realistic any longer.
" networks are morally responsible for the current social state of this country" ...talk about playing the blame game. Look into yourself to see who's resonsible
I'm still reading these comments and have to wonder if any of these posters ever saw a war movie and wonder why they are not protesting those.....
This is just another dumb show folks. Relax, its just Hollywood.
First of all, all of you saying "anyone who ever actually served would find this... blah, blah, blah", you don't speak for everyone who serves. You can speak for yourself, but you're not my voice. As someone who has served for the past 15 years, I have no issue with this show. It's not glorifying war. I can at least apply the common sense factor and realize that these are actors. I don't expect them to go through the same things that I do in the Army.
And for the 9 Nobel Prize recipients, preparing for war is entertaining. Like it or not, I've had a great time repelling attacking enemy forces in NTC and JRTC.
If you don't want to watch it, then don't. But don't assume you can speak for all the Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Seamen who serve our country and don't mind entertainment like this.
Good response. After watching about half of the show this 20 year veteran of Viet Nam thought that it was pretty dumb, but it was not for the enrichment of any of the individuals, so let it be...I'll watch something else, or better yet, read a book.
I totally agree, i did 15 in the army myself and would like watcheing actors try to do this kind of stuff.... who cares what a bunch of PC folks think, dont back down NBC
This is just wrong. The fact that we, as a country, continually glorify war is demeaning to everyone who has served. Most of us have friends or loved ones that have died to keep this country safe. It's neat that money is going to charity for this show, but celebrities should be doing that anyway. It doesn't make much sense to have a show that illustrates what sort of training individuals go through just to make celebrities money. And yes, they still get money from endorsements. As an individual who has numerous relatives who have, are, or will serve in the military, I find this extremely distasteful. War should not be entertaining. Even though a necessity, war is not something to showcase as a reality show.
How do you think celebrities make their money that they can then give to charities? It comes from advertising and/or paying customers. They have to act to get paid.
No, YOU are the one that's wrong! The show doesn't glorify WAR, though I understand how you would want to spin it that way. It glorifies the human struggle to excel...just like any athlete. The problem YOU have is that instead of wearing skimpy shorts, or shoulder pads and numbers, they wear camo pseudo-uniforms and specialized equipment and gear that it just so happens our Military might use. Get over it! I haven't seen one person killed in this show! I can't say that about any of the so-called Cop shows in TV!
One notable Nobel Peace laureate missing from this protest, President Obama.
Good, glad to see he is not wasting time protesting a reality TV show.
I'm sorry, but taking a TV "reality" show so seriously is I think a bigger problem. They pretty much all have foolish premises and represent anything but "reality".
Some people like this cr@p and there is certainly worse on TV already. And there always will be.
I agree with you that it is foolish to take this such, and really any reality show, too seriously. Problem is there are a lot of fools that can't distinguish between reality and reality tv shows and will see the show and say "wow that's great". I was wondering about and I saw this show aired for a bit and my first reaction was how demeaning this show is to the sacrifice made by military personnel.
How is it demeaning? I certainly don't feel demeaned or disrespected...
the Network will do anything for ratings.
Brian roberts is too Remote and Kool to really run this unit of Comcast.
I would not watch any reality crap but, I hate when idiots think their opinion is the only one. Which part of off do you morons not understand? Stop trying to control other people’s lives.
Go watch Oprah and let the rest of the world decide what they want to watch or not watch because in case you are completely ignorant you might understand that networks live by the ratings and here's a clue if the ratings suck so goes the freakin show.
PS. it does not carry any weight that you received an award!!!!!
Feel free to disagree with 9 Nobel laureates, WMesser, but cool it with the insults. I'm pretty sure they understand how a TV remote works and I highly doubt Desmond Tutu spends much time watching reality TV on NBC as it is. For somebody as worked up as you seem to be about them "trying to control peoples opinions," you sure are eager to control theirs. And if 9 Nobel Peace Prizes don't carry any weight with you, you're the one with a problem.
NBC should be more responsible.
I thought the show was great! I think it gave a glimpse into the training of our military, especially the special forces. People have no idea what the military does for us everyday. With my brother and brother in law, both in highly trained specialities, I thought this show was a good idea. Taking very physically fit and athletic celebritiies and seeing how they can't even completely the taskes. Shows how great our military is! Plus, they are playing for military related charities. Not only are they getting the money from the celebrity, but the chairty is getting national coverage.
remember guns don't make people kill any more than a fork makes you fat!
A more interesting show would be to take all those Wall Street hedgefund managers who plundered our county's economy, and have them live in squalor for 6 months (winter months), forced to live on the street, dumpster diving, panhandling on the NYC subway, then finally resorting to petty crime to survive. Yeah, Donald, you can take this idea and run with it. But instead of calling it "The Apprentice," you should call it "The Accomplice."
Nobel prize winners? LOL! I saw what that prize was worth three years ago. Absolutely nothing.
Anyone? airsofting? a sports though not on TV. Go on ban it...it's much worse than the TV....anybody cared about it? None. It's here on earth for years. Why disgusted?
The rationale expressed by the Nobel Laureates is sort of laughable really. The show SHOULD be cancelled but not for the reason given by the Laureates, because it really IS profoundly offensive to those who are doing this for real. I refuse to watch it, and the advertisers during the show should be ashamed of themselves.
Doesn't offend me at all.
Mz Osbourne, if you think they discriminated, hate to think the stance you'd take against the real U. S. Military, who would also deny him. Unlike NBC and this "reality" crap, REAL military, conflict and war DOES discriminate against health issues. This faux pa stuff is glorified fakeness, buton the spin side it might be the best military recruitment advertising ever. Makes one wonder...
Oh, BTW, real enemies shoot back, plant IEDs you can't see, keep you from sleeping, eating, showering, etc. Doubt the show will show that.
I saw the advertisements for this show on TV and immediately felt disgust and disgraced. I felt disgraced because I spent 25 years in the REAL military serving my country without any of the advantages these actors have while "playing" "military games!" Are you kidding me??? I will not watch this show nor will I allow my grandson (who loves watching the military channel) watch this!
My sentiments exactly...I spent 30 years in the military and this show just absolutely turns my stomach. There is no homage paid to the troops, this is an insult to the men and women that have served this country. We trained hard and long for a job that no one "wants" to have to do. This is a mockery to all in uniform. Take this nonsense off the air....
Yeah! And you'll join me in boycotting all those war movies?!?! Bunch of actors playing at war. John Wayne should be ashamed of himself. My grandfather was a REAL seabee in WW II and having actors play at war is just demeaning.....
Same with police shows! And don't get me started on medical dramas....
It was our chosen profession. We are no more special than any other member of society. Stop being so thin skinned.
coming from the outside I can add some perspective.
the us has, to my knowledge, a well-liked almost grass roots, bi-partisan tradition in the USO. One of the functions of USO is to provide a platform for "lazy entertainment people" to support the people actually doing the work.
With that knowledge, why would a tv company wish to draw off focus and (in theory at least) talent from the USO?
The show premise sounds like a 'celeb challenge' with a military "theme." Almost as if someone inside nbc had the demographics thtat said 'uniforms and loud guns are in. its one part action and one part patriotism. cant miss in an election year.'
I bet they are laughing all the way to the bank from all the free publicity. if you want to kill the show, you need to send a clear signal to advertisers. tell them to donate to veterans orgs. or even pay outright for an entire uso tour. anything less than that is parasitic capitalism and perhaps that is innapropriate when dealing with an essentially public organisation.
the show concept is a peacetime ratingsboster deployed during wartime and THAT is a monumental tv-exec error.
Ahh, the short path to TV shows like "Running Man" and "Deathrace" begins. It's only a matter of time til US networks show us some blood sports.
Seems to be a trend... DIdn't bloodsports become a wildly popular form of entertainment just before Rome fell also? "Those who do not learn from history, etc etc etc"
@ miller - Those who don't learn from history? Why don't you try, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing? That seems far more apropos for you.
DId bloodsports become a wildly popular form of entertainment just before Rome fell also, you ask? Well, if by "just before," you mean, "for about 320 years, then yes, absolutely it was "just before."
The Roman Colosseum was completed around 80 A.D. and the first games, shortly thereafter, were a vast spectacle of blood and death.
The last gladiator combat in the Colosseum was around 404 A.D. An Egyptian Christian monk was stoned to death by the crowds after calling for an end to the games after witnessing the bloodshed. However, the Emperor Honorius still ended the gladiatorial combat.
The Western Roman "fell" in 476 A.D., 72 years later.
So, 80 A.D. to 404 A.D. is about 324 years. Tack on another 72 for the time from the end of the gladiatorial games to the fall of the empire. Makes it right about 400 years.
Whew! Don't know if we're going to survive. I mean, only 400 more years for America, according to the "blood games/fall of the empire" argument. That means sometime around 2412 the United States will fall.
LOL! The people that Santayana was talking about, those who do not learn from history, I think would also include those with little, limited knowledge. Say, someone who thinks the "start of blood games" led to or occurred a "short time" before the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
This is so ridiculous, the USA is loosing all sense of right and wrong and then they ask why things like what happened in Colorado happens, the media in the USA is becoming more money oriented every single day, maybe they should add one or two immigrants to act like the collateral damage of wars, wouldn't that be fun?
NBC maybe be riddled with crack-pot, left-wing clowns but money is money...
Not one of the people on or producing this show would make the cut for a spec op unit. Why, because they care more about the money than the cause / mission. Just because you can dress the part, hold the weapon, sweat, and look mean does not make you fit to wear the uniform. What our elite forces have can not be summed up in a reality TV show. And what they encounter and the choices they have to make to stay alive can NEVER be recreated. You get cut from the show and you go home in a first class seat. You screw up in an elite unit and chances are you or one of your team members are going home in a body bag. This is BULL and I hope it does not make it past even one season.
This show is absolutely distasteful. The excuse that the stars are paying respect is distasteful. If they really want to make a show, why not a reality show of a start who actually joins the military and completes a 6 year service with the pay that our soldiers receive. Why don't these "stars" adopt a solider in a sense that if they get injured or die while serving our country, they support the soldiers family. I will not watch this garbage either. What a joke. The stars that participate have no sense of honor and patriotism. Jack Osborne and his clown mother is a joke as well.
This is an insult to every single person whom has ever served the USA. The "Actors" in the "simulated reality" base show will never be seriously injured or killed. They will always have ambulances standing by for even something as minor as a twisted ankle. And at the end of shooting they get to go home. This is about as far from reality as you can get. They may be using live rounds but they will NEVER be directed at the actors. I am sure there will be explosions which may scare the actors but will never intentionally harm them. And in the end what are they really fighting for ? Prize money. Do these twits at NBC think that is what actually happens in battle ? How about dropping the producers off in Iraq or Afghanistan for a full tour and lets see what they think of reality. This is simply pathetic and anyone who watches and buys into this is just as pathetic. For ever dollar this show makes NBC should pay each and every combat duty military professional $1000 just as a point of misrepresenting the facts.
"The "Actors" in the "simulated reality" base show will never be seriously injured or killed. "
Well THAT just ruins the show for me. I'm not going to watch!
Don't believe for a second that these "stars" with perfectly coiffed hair and cake makeup are actually doing the same training our special forces do. My brother trained for years to reach elite fitness and mental stability needed in special ops. He now disappears for weeks on end to god knows where doing god knows what to protect our country while we, his family, sit every day at home praying for his safety. I am pretty sure the "stars" families aren't afraid whether or not their loved one will come home or not.
I am DISGUSTED by this show and complete disrespect of what these men and women sacrifice. If the "stars" were really trying to pay homage to our special ops forces they would join the military or enter the peace corps with out the glorification of television.
Or they might do what they chose to do just as your brother does. And they might even be allowing their name/image to be used to raise buckets full of money that just MIGHT (hopefully not) help your brother in a time of need at some point in the future. Lighten up.
Why don't we turn this around...cough...cough...NBC...why don't you hit up the bases training centers and film the obstacle courses they have? You can go all around the USA as they are everywhere...and film the beginners to the advanced...then the military can recruit once peoples some of the trainings they go thru...REAL soldiers...REAL trainings...not animated...
Why, because the people who do these jobs do not do it for your or NBS entertainment. Anyone, including news agencies exploiting our military personal without giving then one dime of compensation should be sued. And you should be ashamed for siding with NBC, they make enough money that is divided up among a very few elite people that actually do nothing. Think of how much money networks make reporting and showing footage of war and the people fighting this war for our country and then parodied with some make believe show dreamed up in a producers head that has never actually seen battle. This and you are disgraceful.
Already done on the military channel. Shows Rescue Swimmer SEAL, Sniper and Ranger training. You need entertaining personalities to bring in sponsors to pay for it.
As an outsider to the US obviously this is one show the local networks have not picked up as of yet, it would just appear to be another crass TV show like Jersey/Geordie Shore, Big Brother etc etc.Of course there is also the apparent trivialisation of war, conflict and those of us in our various countries and communities that take it upon themselves to devote their careers and lives to the protection of those things.
The Nobel Peace Prize winner (1997 for the Campaign to Ban Landmines) is Jodi Williams, not Betty.
Christians= 0 Lions=1 Since the beginning of time.
I think it is a great show....make everyone understand what these people go through on a daily basis in training and war! these are just training scenarios! chill out people!
This is NOT what our protectors go through. You are a joke if you think that. You need to join the service if you really want to see what sacrifice really means.
Chill out, how about you enlist. Spend a few years in a war, come home to find a bunch of people whom have done nothing of meaning for this country getting paid lots of money to act like they felt even a little bit of the pride you felt. Having them act like they have experienced even 1/2 of one percent of the things that most cant ever describe. Then it is break time and they sit in their air conditioned trailer eating catered meals waiting for the next shot . Chill out – It is disrespectful and if you had even a hint of what really goes on in a live exercise much less a war you would not be saying chill out. Sheep like you are the reason real soldiers have to go to war. So you can sit on your a$$ and watch this fake garbage, have a little respect. Pathetic, chill out my A$$. How about you enlist and actually pay for some of the freedoms you enjoy every single day.
Rogue, it's not disrespectful at all. It's entertainment. Get that big ole holier than thou chip off your shoulder. We ain't some warrior class. THAT would be un-American. We're just brothers and sisters in arms who chose our profession. They are actors and sports figures who chose theirs. And guess what, they are raising buckets full of cash for some VERY worthy causes.
As the mother of a son who trained and became both a Ranger and Special Forces during his time in the military I find the whole premise of this show – making something so serious a game totally distasteful. My son served his country proudly at the same time as being far away from a war-mongerer as can be. War should never be trivialized nor should the training that our military men and women go through to protect our country. NBC should be ashamed.
I don't see this as trivializing anything...if anything they (stars) are showing respect! I guess just different point of views!
There is nothing in Wesley Clark's CV to be proud off, actually he should be ashamed of the fact that for 3 months of total destruction he managed to kill couple of thousands of civilians and barely any Serbian soldier (during NATO "humanitarian" mission in 1999 at Kosovo). He was really successful in destroying hospitals, bridges, apartment buildings – in other word huge steady civilian objects, while totally failed in damaging army vehicles, tanks and soldiers. That is why NBC should adjust to his main skill, shooting civilians, instead of military training.
This the show that yummie todd palin is on? Id watch it just to look at him.
Wait – so with ALL the garbage reality shows on TV right now these people are selecting this one to protest & boycott? One where the participants are involved in a physical challenge for charity? How about boycotting Basketball Wives where the women drink/curse and beat each other up? Or Jersey Shore where young adults get drunk, screw everyone & act like fools? What is wrong with this picture?
...because women DO scream ,curse and are catty and young kids DO go out at the Jersey Shore and have been acting like this for decades .It's a scripted show for rating$ now.. To do a REALITY SHOW that's not even reality and glorify war is wrong. To say it's for "Charity" is BS . If the the show isn't making money they could care less about charity.
This show looks ridiculous anyway. If these "stars" (I've only heard of about 3 of them) really wanted to show their support, or pay homage to those who have served, I'm sure they can find better and more tasteful ways to do it. Jack Osborne should be happy he was spared from being on this show.
i don't watch garbage either.
Great comment from the nine opposing this....I TOTALLY AGREE AND WILL NOT WATCH THIS GARBAGE. Only in the warmongering USA is stuff like this (killing and maiming one's fellow man) thought of as entertainment.
Yeah, aside from every other dirtball country where death and destruction are viewed as entertainment. From what I've seen the show doesn't look like a deathsport so I imagine the killing/maiming should be minimal.
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