[Editor's Note: This post contains some spoilers for the March 11 episode of "The Walking Dead." Don't read any further if you don't want to know.]
So, that was a bombshell.
We kinda had a feeling, the way things were going, that Shane wasn't long for this world. (After all, Jon Bernthal has a new series next season.) But, that wasn't the big surprise of Sunday night's "Walking Dead."
Before I get into that, let's rewind to the funeral for Dale, who we lost last week. Rick admitted that Dale was right all along, and the group should do things the way he would have wanted. Shane, Andrea and others hunted down some stray walkers, while the rest mourned Dale at the barn.
It hit Carl particularly hard, because the walker who killed Dale was one he accidentally freed from being stuck in a marsh. He admitted as much to Shane, but later, Rick explained to him that ultimately, death is a part of life.
In the meantime, Lori admitted to Shane that she wasn't entirely sure that her baby was Rick's. At the same time, she thanked him for being there for her (at that point, you knew he was a goner – dead-men-walking on TV tend to make peace with people before the end).
Then, when no one was looking, Shane went into the shed where Randall was being held. Before nearly shooting him in the head again, he kidnapped him, and T-Dog soon discovered what had happened.
Shane took Randall into the woods, asking him to take him to the camp where his friends were staying, because he wanted to join up with them. Moments later, Shane snapped his neck, before bashing his face into a tree.
Shane returned to the camp, claiming he had been assaulted, before Randall ran off.
In the dead of night, Rick, Shane, Daryl and Glenn went looking for Randall. Daryl found the blood-stained tree, and soon, he and Glenn found Randall... as a walker. A walker with no bite marks. (At this point, millions of viewers' jaws dropped.)
Soon, as one might expect, Shane had Rick just where he wanted him, and Rick knew what was going to happen. Shane – way off the deep end at this point – argued that he was better suited for Lori, among other things, before Rick suggested they both drop their guns. Before Shane put his down, Rick walked over and stabbed Shane in the stomach, before crying out in anguish that he had to do this to his friend.
In the meantime, we saw hordes of walkers gathering in the woods. (Not sure where Daryl and Glenn were in the middle of this.)
Carl happened upon Rick mourning Shane, just after we saw flashes of walkers in what must have been Shane's subconscious, or what was left of it.
Rick tells Carl to drop his gun, and the next thing you know, Carl has fired it... at the zombified Shane, who was creeping up behind Rick. While Rick was examining Shane's corpse with Carl looking on, an aerial view showed the mass of walkers descending on them both.
It looks like there's a big fight coming in the finale, but this realization that the dead can become the Walking Dead without being attacked by a walker changes everything.
Will this be explained next week? Will we learn anything about Randall's camp? And will even more people die in the season finale?
One thing is for sure, the finale will end the group's time at the barn. It's also pretty safe to say that every "Walking Dead" fan worth their salt knows exactly what they'll be watching next Sunday night.
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To those of us who have been reading the comics, this isn't a suprise.
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You guys want to complain about inconsistancies... but no one complains about the guy with the BROKEN NECK that got up and became a walker... chances are good that his brain stem was damaged, and even if it wasn't the guy in the CDC showed that it looked as though the walkers still had neural activity. In other words the brain stem ran the body just like in life. Yet the spinal cord was severed so how is the guy walking around?
28 Days Later was NOT a zombie film.
It really wasn't.
They weren't the "living dead".
They were the "messed up living".
This article is riddled with grammatical errors. Where is CNN getting its writers? Middle schools?
Is the baby already dead, just waiting to be born a zombie baby? Will Rick want to keep a zombie baby?
l think Lori is not a good woman for Rick and ...does she gets mad cause he killed Shane?? come on ! does she wanted the other way around?
Wow!, amazing the number of people following the show and this thread.
Shane, the sanest and most pragmatic person on the show and they kill him? Dale now, that's o cause he was living in the clouds as if civilisation still existed.
But Rick, he should not be leading this people really , it should be Shane and Daryl. The one good thing Rick did wasto kill those other survivors in the bar, and he still found time to fell guilty about it. Lori, on the other hand should have died early. The selfish, delusional, problem causing woman should be a zombie and shot in the head by Rick. Glenn is okay as is the blond lady and the black guy.
Why do people measure others by how they were as if it was not a zombie world? You do what you need to survive. Just like the National Security Advisor in 2012. Now he had his head screwed on right, but instead people were rooting for the idiotic, idealistic scientist who was trying to risk everyone's lives to save a bunch of workers.
I know it's kind of a big reveal, but is it? Does it really matter that much if everyone becomes walkers AFTER their dead. Who cares? Everyone is fine until they die. Then they become walkers, but they are already dead, unless bitten. Which is the same problem as before. It doesn't really raise the stakes that much. just shoot the new dead in the head. Which they will now do.
Awesome article! I’m saddened that the series is up to the finale. I hate I’m back where I was in December and January. I have to wait all summer for the show to return and find out what’s going to happen next. A lot has happened in the last few weeks and I’ve been glued to my iPad. I watch all my Walking Dead episodes using the DISH online feature. I like this feature since I work at night I can’t watch my favorite shows so I catch them here. I can watch live TV or right off the DVR. I have access to thousands of movies to watch too, when I’m on lunch. My coworker from DISH told me all about this great feature and now it’s something I use everyday.
When I first saw the promotion for this show I thought it was about the Republican canidates running for President.
Oh please you are such a troll,please.... we are having a good time talking about our zombies,let us to relax ,you better take your meds. pronto! not politics for today!
It wasnt that shocking when Shane and Randall turned into Walkers, if u have watched Romero's work then u could of kinda predicted that, even though writers sometimes change things..Seen post up here about the Walker hanging in the woods, that Daryl and Andrea encounter...alot of people have been saying that is a nod for it being airborne....umm have you been watching the same show i have been watching...If u have then u saw Daryl read the note the guy left behind, it said something like this "Got Bit" "world went to sh**" "I quit" umm right there it tells u the guy hung himself after he GOT BIT... Another thing i have seen up here is at the CDC Jenner whispered something to Rick, alot of people think it was Laurie was pregnant....well how can that be when Rick found the Morning After pill packages that Laurie threw up, confronted her about it, and he says " I had to find out your pregnant by finding these...and he throws them on the ground..so there goes the theory about Jenner telling Rick Laurie is pregnant...The other thing people think he whispered is they all are already infected, that could be the most possible theory.... Rick might have shot the fat guy in the head at the Bar because he was suffering after he shot him in the chest, could of shot him in head cause he already knew about the infection...but then again, why didnt he do that to Shane? Well if u notice he was hovering over Shane, could it be he was waiting for him to come back as a Walker?? Then Carl distracted him, and having his son point a gun at him could have made him forget about Shane coming back.
I also wondered why he was hovering over Shane's body, instead of getting back to safety, etc. Guess that's why!
So, if ppl that die become zombies almost immediately, do you call that "fast food"? Zombies don't eat their own, so their human food supply is almost non-existant now...right?
I too...am a..big fan..of the show....When Sophia and Dale...were killed..it broke...my heart....even Mr Spock wept.....I am...so..glad that...Shane...got taken out...I will miss...watching the show...I look forward....to season 3....ever have...bbg Tribble? it rocks....Kirk..Out!
So, who else thinks that getting a suit of armor would be a good idea?
Exactly, I would be wearing a wet suit under a suit of armor (protect from ziombie blood/juices), and wear night vision goggles. Plus a couple of samurai swords. Go ahead and try to bite through armor. Beats me why these people can't seem to think straight. Has no one ever heard of barbed wire? Get a bunch and use it to protect the farmhouse. Hell, forget the farmhouse. i would head to Hollywood and check on Salma Hayek. Someone has to rescue her, and she would be eternally grateful. Whoops, got to go, wife reading over my shoulder. lol
Hey, some more things. Swords are the way to go. Hack off their legs, and walkers turn into crawlers. Or use 8-10 foot long spears to lobotomize the walkers. Channel your inner Spartan.
Heck, why don't they just gas up a tank and start running over the zombies? Or a steamroller (not like the walkers are moving at 65mph. They are walkers, not runners). I mean, you got to crunch some heads to get rid of them. It's not like the zombies can open the locked hatch of a tank running at 40 mph. If you want to stay in one place, you could dig a dry moat around the farmhouse, and then use spikes at the bottom of it. Zombie falls in, brain gets stuck on the spikes, problem solved.
Hasn't anyone ever heard of hand grenades or dynamite?. Or flamethrowers? What about helicopters? They could get one, fly to LA and go hunting for zombie celebs. You could have a new guest star each week. Could create a spin off show called "Walking with the Stars". Would love to see them take out the Kardashians. Also, they could join up with a non zombie celeb, like the Governator. He could yell at that stupid kid Carl (you know he is always going to be getting into trouble) to "Get to da Choppa !!".
Or go to the east coast (they are in Georgia, right?) and take a boat/yacht. Plenty of fancy ones in any marina. Not as many zombies in the carribean, or hawaii (if you want west coast, take your pick). Either way, an island has to have a limited number of zombies. Plus you get a nice place to stay with lots of food.
What about the US submarines? They cannot be infected. Or aircraft carriers? It's a great show, but whole premise is silly. And no one can think in 3-D. Can easily take advantage of vertical places the walkers can't reach. Climb up on your roof, pull up your ladder, and use your spear to take them out. How hard is that?
Hey, shouldn't the King of the Walkers be a Texas ranger named Chuck Norris??? That can do that for the final episode when they cancel the series in 5 years (after it has run it's course), as no one could kill a zombified Chuck Norris.
The only thing Jenner whispered in Ricks ear at the CDC was that he is pregnant with Shane's baby also. It had nothing to do with everybody being infected.
Everyone knows the baby's actual daddy is Justin Beiber...
I think the last episode raises a lot of questions. I'm not sure about this airborne virus idea–and that all turn into zombies when they die. Remember the husband/wife who were dead in the farmhouse–where Rick found the horse–they had killed themselves and didn't turn into zombies. Also, what about the old people in the building in the city (the group that "captured" Glen. They had a lot of old people there and no one said anything about people coming back as zombies after they die. Of course, this zombie mythology is whatever the producers/ writers want it to be–and they can change the rules at any time.
I think the fact that Shane was stabbed with Rick's knife, one which has been used on numerous walkers – is the reason why he turned into a walker. Makes perfect sense to me... Granted, quite a bit of time has lapsed since he last used the knife on the show.
Straight from the wiki. Creators words
As is typical in zombie fiction, the Walking Dead’s zombies relentlessly hunt and eat humans. Even a small zombie bite or scratch causes a fatal fever that kills in hours or days, depending on the victim and where the bite or scratch is placed. Amputating a bitten limb can sometimes prevent the infection from spreading. A zombie bite itself does not cause zombiism; since the outbreak, every person who dies becomes a zombie, regardless of how it died. The only known “cure” being to destroy the brain. Enjoy the show stop putting it under a microscope. Its SCI-FI
I want to know.. if it's "as long as the brain is intact" how can some of those deeply decomposing walkers still have their brains intact?! Do they stop rotting once they are walkers? Or do they eventually die? I don't really understand that bit.
Viruses mutate. "Rules" change. Good question about who was the first walker – what was said about that in the first episode? (I sure don't remember...) I suppose the original infections might have been in those susceptible, and bites caused spread (something like virus load being overwhelming from a bite). There's no reason to think this is the first time the virus mutated. I'm struggling with the idea that everyone who dies goes walker. It just doesn't "feel" right. Has there really been no one so far that died and didn't turn (other than brain death)?
The biggest twist of all would be if this show actually did something interesting with its cool premise, rather than slowly rehasing the same stuff we've seen in zombie movies for 30 years. But I guess most people haven't seen those movies, so they think they're watching something unique.
Shane Walsh was my favorite charater on the walking dead. He was the good leader that no one had realized. he was better than Rick. Shane rescued Lori and Carl Grimes. While Atlanta was being bombarded, Shane still didn't lose hope. He started the orginal survivor camp outside Atlanta. He saved many lives during the walker attack during the barbecue that night while Rick went out to save a redneck drug dealer. Shane even risked his life and took Otis's life to save Carl's. He did what was right with opening the barn and massacuring the walkers. Shane had to rescue Lori a second time after she went after Rick and crashed. Yes he was hot tempered and argued with Rick a lot but he makes good decisions. Snapping Randall's neck was smart. If Randall was let go and got back to his camp and then what? What if Randall's group came to take over the farm? Killing Randall was the right choice. Shane was a leader, fighter, and survivor. What happened in the last episode shocked me. I knew there was tension between Shane and Rick, but I never would expect what happened on Sunday's episode to occur. I know many people probably celebrated Shane's death, but no one really knew what drove him to insanity. Lori+Shane=PROBLEM. Lori drove Shane to try to kill his best friend. After thnking her husband died, Lori felt lonely and flew to Shane's arms for comfort. Shane told Lori that Rick died in the hospital after a mysterious explosien took out the power. If you watched that episode closely, you could see that Shane sprinted through the walker filled hopsital to rescue his police partner. He watched the military massacure people and walkers and he still did not flee. Shane pressed his ear up against Rick's heart and I think he did not hear a heart beat. Mabye it was because of gunfire, screams, explosiens, or Rick had a heart problem. That shows you what kind of a man Shane was. Lori changed him. After Rick got back she shunned him and avoided him. Shane got very angry and jealous. Who could blame him? He was in love with Lori and could not help himself. Another problem was the survivors were turning to Rick's point of view. They replaced Rick with Shane as their leader. This just made things worse. The C.D.C was a disaster. Mabye they should have gone to Fort Benny instead like Shane said. After the fight Rick and Shane had at the school shelter, I thought that they both had come to an end to the fighting. But that was not the case. Lori shows up; and after yelling and screaming at Shane, she apoligizes. That made Shane want to take Lori back and drove him to get himself killed. He should have not rescued Lori in the car accident and let those two walkers have her as their lunch.
Couldn`t agree with you more! Both caracters are great, it is Lori who ruined everything.
1. WHAT started original epidemic?
2. If walkers are dead and rotting, at some point wont they just rot away? Living just need to outlast them?
3. SImilar to #2, how does the body work if it is all rotted?
4. How do they digest?
5. Will they freeze solid in winter?
1. WHAT started original epidemic? Obama
2. If walkers are dead and rotting, at some point wont they just rot away? Living just need to outlast them? Maybe
3. SImilar to #2, how does the body work if it is all rotted? Weirdly
4. How do they digest? Osmosis
5. Will they freeze solid in winter? Only if it's absolute zero.
I'm not sure we actually need to wait for more information as the article implies. If you get bit by a walker, you automatically turn into a walker.
HOWEVER, the walker virus is also airborne; except it doesn't turn you into a walker immediately. It turns you into a walker when you die. And most of them are already hosts of the virus as this point. Easy peasy.
The scene in which Shane is dying, the flashes of the zombie eating rage, his subconscious fighting......no tunnel of light, no dead relatives to greet you, just brain stem carnage emerging.....it's in all humans & triggers upon death.
Survivordude – you make a good point. Why aren't they scavanging for better weapons (silencers?). everything is up for grabs – why don't they find a nice big resort and take that over – what's with the renovated barn? And why would they stay at a farmhouse that is surrounded with trees where they can't see zombies coming. Why don't they head for the mountains.
OK – what about winter – do zombies freeze at 32 degrees and thaw out in the springtime. They are probably not going to be looking for a nice warm shelter!!
Maybe they set this in Atlanta to avoid the problem with freezing zombies?
@cnnlicksit...so sadistic a thought...but would be oh sooooooo cool.!!
Am I correct in recalling that early on in the show there were dead people (person) in a car – highway accident perhaps -that had not become a walker? If so, by reasons explained through these discussions the person(s) did not become a walker because the person's brain must have been injured resulting in their death. I guess I had assumed that they had not 'turned' because walkers wouldn't bite them if they were already dead (fresh meat only). I stand corrected!
You know what would be cool (and a little sick). Lori's baby should die in her womb. Then it becomes a zombie while still inside her and starts to ear her from the inside out!
The remake of Dawn of the Dead already did that.
I realized a few weeks ago that Shame had to go but I didn't expect it to be so soon. I'm glad they now have to go out the Farm but I can't wait how they're going to do that with the amount of Zombies coming their way. A friend of mimd mentioned that maybe the virus or whatever you call it has become airborne which would change the rules of the completely and a subject never explored in any movie movie or tv show that I know of. Anyway Can't stop watching
I read a few of the comics, is Randall's group the one with The Governer? It kind of seems that way, since he indicated they were pretty much evil people. Brad made a good point, the virus is just out there, you die your a zombie. No bite needed. Needless to say next weeks episode is going to rock some faces. Im glad Shanes dead, he was a bad ass but Daryl'.
Some of you need to watch some Romero zombie movies. If you die by any means other than having your brain destroyed, you come back as a walker. Bites/scratches do not transmit the virus. Bites/scratches cause uncontrollable infection which kills you. Death activates the virus. Everyone has the virus. Someone who died from a fatal heart attack would become a walker. Someone who was shot in the head would not. It's not in the water. It's not from Shane using a contaminated knife. The hanged man in the woods should have given it away. They even said that he didn't have enough common sense to kill himself by a head shot. This is the way Romero's zombie movies operate and it's been obvious to any of us who have ever seen one from day 1.
This isn't new about dead bodies coming back they discussed it in some earlier episodes about if you committed suicide you needed to do it with a head shot. Not sure which episodes so don't ask but it was in a few of them.
As I said above,
We already knew you could come back as a walker without being bit or scratched. Remember the scene with Darryl and Andrea in the woods looking for Sophia and they discover the guy who hung himself and he turned into a walker while hanging there? Other walkers had come by and eaten his legs, probably pretty soon after he died, and Andrea talked Darryl into putting an arrow into his head. Darryl said the guy was stupid for not putting a bullet in his head. Remember that? So I'm thinking what the CDC scientist whispered was about people possibly becoming walkers without dying at all.
Don't belive Shane was going to kill Rick. He wanted Rick to kill him first,tormented soul and all. Commonly called suicide by cop. Added twist when its your old partner though.
I was also wondering about that scenario at the time. Did he want Rick to kill him, otherwise why not just shoot him dfrom behind or as he turned around? OR was he not convinced and almost fell for Ricks' argument but Rick killed him because he knew he had to stop the Shane nonsense (and let Shane have time off for his new series). I think tgere will be a scene where Rick talks about what he did and why.
The virus comes from zombie farts.....doh!
There are two kinds of undead stories. Tales of life and tales of death.
This just became a tale of death. In a tale of life the dead can only come back to life when the person is bitten and infected. This gives the survivors hope, and a chance. As long as they stay safe they could eventually kill off enough dead, especially in the areas with winters as the dead freeze solid and they can cull them in relative safety. Eventually they can rebuild the world.
In a tale of death where no bite is needed it opens a world wide can of worms. That would mean that anyone and everyone who has ever died that is still together enough would be able to rise. Think about that for a second. No hope of escape. A never ending horde of the dead. Knowing that eventually your food will run out, your fuel will run out, your ammo will be gone. Those are stories not about life but simply about how will you choose to die?
It is a story without hope, a story without redemption. It is in short a snuff film.
The dead simply coming back as zombies without bites, scratches or fluidic contact has already done by George A Romeo in most of his stupid movies.
Dammit Random Walker! I JUST got here. Good shot Rick...
Aims... BLAM! Gets Dale in his sights... BLAM!
Is that Rick? Man, i did not realize how hungry i was (shuffling off in Rick's general direction)...
HEY Random Walker! You sure do shuffle great and boy, do you stink! Got your rot on! Good for you brother.
I love this show. I was good on it as a human... now i can be a judgemental corpse. Sure i got shot in the head... but we can figure out a way to explain that later. After all... Shane JUST became a walker. Just my luck... that guy – i tell you. He is something. Well, not anymore... but he was.
I am a walker and i am reading this blog. Go figure. Man, i stink and need some new clothes (whew!)...
HEY! Dale! Loved you in Season 3 brother!
I think that Jenner did mention to Rick that the disease mutated and went airborne but still I am not sure. It's interesting what's happening with the dead turning over to zombies quicker now. Oh check this out! Awesome compilation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LTas1v3dIo
i agree with the airborne explaination. when you die the immune system allows your brain to reboot n you become a zombie. some have said Shane had cuts/bruises n was exposed to zombies blood/saliva, but what about Randall? lots of open wounds from Carl/Rick/T-Dog. does anyone know how the guards at the Water Plant become zombies? they weren't bit, so they must have died like Shane n Randall, then turned, then were stab thru the fence, but how did they become zombies?
I didn't read all comments so I don't know if anyone brough up what I'm going to say but...I think Daryl's brother is with the other group. For next week, wasn't there a biker? Daryl's brother used to be a biker.
omg...I didn't think of that. And I've read every single comment...no one else mentioned that either!
I love that idea – that would be a great twist!
I'm recalling the the pro CDC agenda of that movie Contagion so now I'm tempted to make a prediction......We'll probably learn that those who avoid instant post-mortem Zombification had taken the H1N1 vaccine or something stupid like that.
A lot of good comments here. Lol, now I'm really confused! At least we know you don't have to be bitten to still be a zombie when ya die. Hopefully, next weeks epi answers many questions.
I meant Herschel, not Glenn.
I think the virus struck a lot of people at random and killed many people,some had immunity.Look at Laurie, Rick and Shane, they all swapped spit and Carl is Laurie's kid, Andrea and her sister lived, Daryl and Merl. Also, in the webisode, the girl that bit Hannah did not have any marks on her, she looked like she just went to sleep. Hannah was alive and swapping spit with Judy's ex, and the kids are related, do you guys see a pattern here? Glenn has a whole family, can't be a coincidence. Sophia and her family survived the death. How could walkers overun a military base unless G.I.'s started falled over dead?
The Walking Dead refers to the living, not the zombies. Its the living people that are the walking dead. They've teased this much already with Shane saying "we're pretty much dead already." I wanna see how they go about making this a better show instead of Lord of the Flies in Zombie Nation.
I am a big fan of The Walking Dead. I have watched every episode and have them recorded. I like the series because of the plausable explanaition of how the walkers became zombies. The virus infection is very believable (although not probably) and I so very much hope that the shows producers don't go off in a different direction of changing the rules. The zombie effect happens because the virus settles in the stem of the brain after death and activates certain cells in the brain that control hunger and movement. In one of the first season's episodes it took about six hours after a person died for them to become a zombie. Now it is only taking minutes. Therefore, if the producers don't come up with a believable explanation for why the zombies are becoming zombies so fast after death. I will stop watching. If they can't come up with anything "HIRE ME" I will ! I have a very good imagination. I was an original "Star Trek" fan.
They actually explained in earlier episodes that the timing varies, if I remember correctly. It happens that way in real life with real viruses, too. Some people catch a cold in a day, some 3 days later, it varies. Same deal here, I think.
Its a rule: Always check the back seat and always double tap thier a**
Ha, all I could recall is double tap, double tap...??? Oh crud, I'm gonna die. Oh wait - cardio! Phew, I do lots of cardio.
I think that if there has been any major killing wounds that the virus would get into their dead body and it would take over their whole body.Alot of people also think that the world is going with zombies (walkers) to end on December 21,2012,but I don't.
Who is the governer? And whatever happened to the black guy and his kid? I wonder if we will find out BC Rick kinda owes them for saving his life!
The Governor is one messed up mofo. If they let him be himself (not likely on AMC as opposed to HBO), there will be some bad times next season.
As for Morgan and his son. Morgan was one of the best and best acted characters. He made the first episode so good. I hope we see him again.
The Finale will be awesome we get to finally meet Michonne see the prison, The group learn what Jenner Told Rick. We get to see where the hord of zombies came from (think helicopter) and some useless people die. WOOOO bring on season 3 with the Governer!!
Two major questions.
#1 – Assuming that everyone has the virus, like most of us seem to be speculating, and getting bitten by a zombie simply causes an infection that kills you... why has no one tried some strong antibiotics? Is that a stupid question?
#2 – Why has no one ever said the word "zombie"? Are we to believe they're living in a parallel universe with no cultural reference point for a zombie apocalypse?
As far as #2, I saw an interview with Rob Kirkman and he indicated that they purposely avoided the word zombie because they didn't want the audience, or the characters themselves, to have any preconceived notions about what is happening. So, yes, they are supposed to live in a world with no cultural reference point to a zombie apocalypse.
To #2 – Yeah I think I read on another site's comments, someone said this show assumes that Romero's zombie movies never happened and therefore the word 'zombie' never became a household name. I'm not sure if it makes sense historically that the word zombie was never used before zombie movies or not, and whether that makes sense as an explanation.
Ok, I'll buy that....
On Q1. Antibiotics only work on bacterial infections, for viruses you need an effective immunization (inoculation) or very clever (which they usually are) T-cells to discover how to kill the virus.
How in the world did they get all of those walkers in the barn.? I missed that episode and have seen parts of it but not the whole thing.
I am with you all on the knife causing the contamination. During the episode that Shane, Rick, and Randall went to the prison and Rick said they needed to fight more hand to hand and save amo, the knife was of interest in that episode.
They killed several walkers with that knife and the blood was all over the place. I think that is how both Shane and Randell were exposed to the virus.
WOW!!! I really need to read the comics.
I liked that Shane's death was still somewhat similar to how it happened in the comics.
I too was thrown by the no bite still a zombie sceanrio... I do have a question ......How is that these walkers aren't dropping limbs and just completely rotting to pieces? I mean ...they're walking dead..right? so can one assume that the decaying process is continuing? or not? especailly in the warmer climate?
Yeah you'd think it'd be somewhat of a waiting game, really. Like wait them out till they all starve or rot. Obviously new zombies are adding to the numbers here or there, but at this point with so few people left you'd think the rate zombies would be dying off (or getting there) would be noticeable.
also wouldnt the cold winters i the north freeze them? like would they just thaw and come back to moving around?
and you would think that they would just decompose after some time?
I think the same knife used to kill Shane and Randall was infected w zombie blood. Shane used it to kill zombies on the school bus.
I thought the same thing, but Shane snapped Randall's neck he didn't use the knife on him. I hope that there is some clarification next week!
Did anyone notice that Shane was sounding like a walker while he was still alive and fighting Rick? I was thinking about all of the walkers, when a person dies after being attacked by a group of walkers I would assume the walkers would eat the live person as in eat the whole body. Not leaving much of a person left to walk around dead? I do not know the comic series just the show.
Noticed that, too. Good point about all the walkers attacking a person. It's not like they'd lose interest they minute the person finally dies, as we've seen that they'll prey on dead animals (deer) and sometimes even each other (killed zombie). In that regard it's surprising how "intact" some of these zombies seem as former victims of zombie attack.
Actually the woman Rick mercy killed in the park was a victim of walker attack there was only half of her left and she was dragging herself around. I think people get bit and run off before they change, that way they aren't eaten, once they change they just join the walker parade.
Yeah that's true about the girl zombie in the park, in the beginning. Not sure if that's how it went down for all zombies or not, as the huge hoards of them seem unlikely to have been formed by hundreds of people that got bit and escaped only to die later. For some maybe it's also like a friend of yours gets attacked and you shoot a bunch of the zombies around them, which would make them come back not being totally eaten. Hmm.
I believe the virus is airborne and activated upon death. My only regret about Shane's passing is that he didn't take Lori with him. Hmm, now I wonder if the baby will be a regular human when it's born.
This is kind of sick, but I was thinking if Lori is infected and the baby is infected and the virus is activated upon death, what would happen if the baby died in the womb?
Would it turn into a zombie and try to eat it's way out?
the fact that you become a walker when you die no matter how you die cant be what the scientist told rick at the end of season 1, otherwise rick would have known that shane would come back as a walker wouldn't he?
Wow, didn't even think of that!! Ok, now I'm confused again.
But why did he shoot that guy in the bar in the head after he had already killed him? I think maybe Rick was so overwhelmed with his son pointing a gun at him after he had killed his best friend that he wasn't thinking about Shane as a zombie. That would make sense out of both scenarios.
Based on the comments above i have a problem with the way the story writers have dealt with:
1. Who the heck is watching carl. The kid was already shot once when he was wandering around. He indirectly caused Daryl’s death. Rick told everyone to get into the house when they went looking for Randell. Clearly, Lori isn’t doing her job and someone should contact Child Services and file a report.
2. Why does the group still have the beat up motor home? I can't believe they could not find a better one on the road, in a traffic jam, at a RV dealer. I realize that they are competing against other survivors but with all of the “stuff” we see on the road and in their travels I cannot believe they could not find something better. How about checking a local camp ground, going to a RV/camping expo or checking out a resort area?
3. Remember the movie "28 days" when exposure to the rage virus meant you were infected. How can these characters come into contact with Zombie blood and not get the infection. Look at Shane in the school bus, the way in which the characters beat the crap out of the zombies with blood flying such as when they stab the zombie like 26 times, surely they get blood all over them, in their eyes, mouth, in open wounds.........I can’t believe that there are varying degrees of exposure. If you get it into an open cut why wouldn’t you be infected, run a fever, die and come back to eat your friends.
4. At the CDC there were all kinds of heavy weapons (machine guns, 50/30 caliber, ammo) and no one picked any of it up. As scavengers these guys suck. Really, why don't we see them in guns shops, police departments, private homes searching for food, weapons, clothing. I realize they are afraid of walking into Zombies but the writers could make more of an effort to show us that they are trying to find food/weapons other than in a massive traffic jam.
5. Maggie-Ummmmmm. Glenn, wake up before she becomes zombie chow or t-dog starts to romance her.
You make good points.
As far as #3 goes, I think we are finding out now that they are all infected – but the virus (or whatever it is) doesn't take effect until after the body dies. It is latent in living people.
you're my hero dude. I've been screaming this all along. When they were at the CDC, there were 50 Cal machine guns, humvee's all over the place. You stuck with the RV and a 1962 F-10 Ford pick up.
I would be strapped like a car seat. My number one priority would be 1.Guns 2. Guns 3.Guns. Are there no Dick Sporting Goods around ? I enjoy the show and all but for Christs sake, there are plenty of secluded farms and compounds to take over and fortify.
I agree about Carl wandering around all the time, but, when he did get shot, wasn't he with Rick and Shane out hunting when he shot the deer and then got shot?
There was something on tv recently, maybe a weapons show on a history channel, comparing use of an automatic weapon like a machine gun to a semi automatic weapon to kill zombies. The premise was that the machine guns were made to shoot at large groupd and wound as many as possible to slow them down in an charging attack, but the semiautos were made for more precise shooting. The heavy duty weapon also trends up while firing and is difficult to aim precisely. Anyway, in their test the semiautomatics and single shot weapons actually hit more wooden zombies in the head than the machine guns, significantly more. However, like in Zombie Apocalypse, I could see using the machine gun when there is a contained group that needs to be mowed down, like the group that will be gathering around Herschel's house, but in ZA, the machine gun just attracted a larger crowd of zombies with the noise.
Here is my favorite.......let's go into town on LIVE bait (horses) rather than taking the vehicle on the farm. And then when at the drugstore in town let's not stock up everything that we can and put it in the car (you know the one that we should have brought to town).
The zombie virus, if it is a virus, might be being transmitted by mosquitos or other insects. In ths show, everyone is always slapping some kind of gnat off of themselves. Or, it could be airborne. Either way, maybe not everyone has it.
Hopefully, they will reveal in the season finale what Jenner whispered to Rick at the CDC – I'm sure it was something to do with his theory on how people were becoming infected.
Maybe the writers have no idea about why there are zombies and how one becomes a zombie and how it will end and are just waiting for us to suggest plots and ideas for them?
I found it interesting that the horde of zombies in the woods sniffed the air and caught the scent of blood especially after Shane was gutted by Rick.
I agree the french walkers are no threat as they are probably on strike as we speak!
this was actually foreshadowed long ago... who remembers the episode where the camper hung himself.. he was a zombie hanging from the noose... I believe this was the episode they went looking for Sophia right after she got lost.. I read the comics so neither was a surprise for me.-
Wow, good catch!!! Totally forgot about that.
The camper was bit. That's why he hung himself. He left a note that said he got bitten.
Oh well. It was a good thought, anyway....
If breaking someone's neck most likely would leave them paralyzed (as well as dead), how did that kid get back up and walk as a zombie if he died of a broken neck? If nerve impulses can't travel, being reainimated probably wouldn't change that.
Somehow with reanimation, once the brain stem comes back, parts of the body keep going despite being disconnected from the heart, brain, spine. Was it this how that had a part of a body moving along by itself or am i getting confused with Zombie Apocolypse? (which reminds me where are the formerly domesticated pet animals. IThere have been deer, cattle and rabbits/squirrels? could see the zombies catching all the dogs, but not all the cats or rats.)
Interesting idea, atp2007. Yeah in Zombie Apocalypse there was a dog that got zombified. I've wondered that too about all the animals. Seems weird that they'd all be dead, even if they dont come back as zombies, and if they do come back as zombies shouldnt we have seen them by now?
One thing I've wondered: since it was explained at the CDC that only the brain stem functions in re-animation, why does stabbing a zombie in the eyes/face/front of the skull kill it if theoretically this part of the brain was not being used anyway?
And after everyone (but the 4 guys) has run into the farmhouse with such urgency, why is Carl wandering alone again? Really, how did he get away from the group in the house? (I suspect Mom: "honey, let me just put a little blood around the back of your neck; now go out in the dark and find your father")
That is one kind of silly and annoying part about the show – Carl is constantly wandering off by himself and getting into trouble.
I have a son Carl's age, and if we were living in a world where the dead were trying to eat him, I guarantee he wouldn't leave my sight.
Of course, that wouldn't make for very good television.
Ha, good point. Carl is always wandering off, and in this case somehow slipped out of a house in lockdown and, without a flashlight, made it all the way through the woods to exactly where his dad went? He didn't get lost, attacked, etc.?
In the early episodes there were a lot of dead corpses around. how come they were not walkers>?
Loved the show last night it just gets better and better. I hate next week is the seasons last show it's the best thing on TV! Laurie Ricks wife can go next she is getting on my nerves but love the rest of the cast. Was shocked they killed off dale so soon but it is a Zombie show some people do have to die. Shocked that when someone alive dies they become a zombie didn't expect that at all but adds a new twist to the show.
It all goes to Shane being in the Bus. He cut his hand, then went ahead and put his blood agains the bus to attract the walkers to it. In the meantime, he then kills the walker with his knife, cuts his hand again and spreads blood against the bus. So the main reason for him having the virus is by cutting himself with the knife that was just used to kill a walker, its not an airborne virus.
That would explain Shane, but then how did Randall turn into a walker? And the two security guards in that episode?
I agree that it's probably not airborne, but maybe it's transmitted by mosquitos or something.
Randall's wrists were covered in blood from trying to escape the handcuffs. They showed it several times. It is possible that Shane, being already infected by the knife he used to cut his hand earlier, passed it along through the cuts in Randall's wrists.
I didnt see anyone mention this, but how did Shane think he would get away with killing rick in an open field next to the farmhouse? It seemed that you could see from the house? If I'm wrong & confusing the cut scenes, then what is the wimpy kid doing way out in a distant field in the middle of the night? Just seemed strange that they walked away from the farm looking for randall and all of sudden they are back in a field next to the farm.
I too wondered how Shane walks Rick WAY out into the woods only to bring him to a field near the house? Bad writers, very BAD
I get how everyone on the highway could have died due to head trauma but what about the bodies outside of the hospital Rick finds in the 1st episode? Many of them had heads intact and did not reanimate?
I assume those people were not yet infected when they died. Maybe it is not a fast-spreading virus and is not airborne. Maybe it only spreads through blood-to-blood contact or bodily fluids – like obviously a zombie bite would do that, but also maybe a mosquito could bite a zombie and then a living human and transmit the disease that way.
Also, when the characters on the show kill zombies, they are constantly getting sprayed with blood and guts – maybe it's transferred that way.
In either case, it would make sense that the people on the highway or the people at the hospital died before they contracted the virus.
Great episode. i do think that the CDC told Rick about the virsus being airborne. Have not read the comic series so everything is pretty much a surprise for me.
I know others have mentioned that the baby would be a zombie; my thought is that the baby would be the "saviour' in the new world with antibodies that would stop people who are bitten from zombies turing into the walking dead. Any thoughts? Loving the series even though I don't usually don't sleep well after watching with my daughter. lol
Too bad about Shane...
I loved the character! But at least the show is a non-stop thrill ride that keeps you guessing!
I'll try not to be a smart ass on decent enough review but when I read "Changes the Rules" I thought you were referring to the fact that the walking dead approaches its characters completely differently from typical shows, what do I mean? well I'll refer to and old show most people are familiar with and the odd joke has come from in relation to the "Rules" as it were. StarTrek, you have the main characters, none ever die, its a rule, and when they need to include a death its always the new guy never seen before then, like most shows. In the Walking dead however, the classic main character rules do not apply and no one is safe and this is pure genius from the producers, it keeps the viewers on the edge of their seats every time there is a melee with walkers although its safe to say Rick wont get killed and arguably they are keeping to the comic story of such characters coming to pass anyway.
To apply the rule changing to the fact that a person does not need to be bitten by a walker to become a walker, well, thats was already a known factor, how else did the walkers ever come to be if not simply just being a corpse? the story was death alone whereby the brain was left intact was enough for re-animation as a walker, everyone is infected but a person still must physically die before re-animation, be it natural causes, car crash or whatever.
This show hooked me when I watched the first two seasons almost without a break.
The confrontation between Shane and Rick ("duel in the full moon") was beautifully shot, right through to annoying Carl (do they let kid wander alone on purpose? "Go play by the stream, honey, and be sure to make a lot of noise") offing his savior/hero Shane.
Don't want to know about the tv/g.novel plot comparisons; enjoying the show on it's own story line.
ok, maybe rick's knife was'nt put in an autoclave sterilizer after every walker kill and the kid in the walker barn was cutting the crap out of his hands with the handcuffs. Don't forget the walkers puking blood all over in there on the floor. Just a thought.
THANK YOU SloopJohn, finally someone who knows what they are talking about
Yeah, I don't know why people are looking way to into this. It's been a formula that has existed for 48 years... And they already alluded to this on the show with the cops in the school yard not having bites. People are saying things like "Is the virus aibourne?". It's not a virus! And there is no cure! This has pretty much already been established on the show when Hershel finally came around to realizing as much...
Maybe we are just hoping for something a bit different than all the other zombie movies (seen them all, going back to the old black and white zombie movie from Haiti) Some have slow moving dumb zombies, some have faster and smarter zombies. None of them ever actually explain what is the cause of the outbreak (I guess Night of the Living Dead relates it to space happenings but not in detail). The vampire movies and later novels don't follw Stoker's exact rules for vampires. Maybe the zombies just need to be tamed like in Shaun of the Dead. My son used to make Tee shirts that read ZOMBIES OMG!!!!
I'm seeing some replies that are even dumber than the article itself. No offense but rules weren't changed, nor is it difficult at all. The Walking Dead follows the classic Romero Zombie formula. If you die for any reason at all, you reanimate as a Zombie(if the brain is intact)... END OF STORY... Rules were not changed, the crew is just beginning to find this out.
I can understand on what you are saying about the zombification process on "The Walking Dead." I, however, strongly believe that this is a stupid approach to take on reanimating the dead. For instance, when a person sneezes, isn't he or she technically dead for approximately one second? If so, then wouldn't the rest of the living beings have to become a "Walker", since this is the approach the writers decided to take? This is the reason why I found this to be utterly unfair in a zombie apocalypse. Receiving a bite or scratch seems to be feasible, but having the infection or virus just being dormant in a living being is too disadvantageous. This can also be difficult to survive with others; especially, when you will most likely need them in order to survive. I mean thinking from a logical standpoint (in the realm of a science fictional world), can you just imagine the difficulties of one having to face by having an elderly person in your group; and let's say, this person–at any point–can die from a heart attack or by means of any natural cause? I, for one, wouldn't want any person–who has a medical problem in the group–knowing that he or she can become a liability at any given moment.
Love this show!! Sorry to see Shane die. He was a great bad guy.
I dont think Shane was a bad guy at all. I think Lori is evil and manipulative. She knew Shane loved her and it was killing him to see her with Rick again. She told Rick “Shane needed to leave” then saw Rick was going to try to reason with him so she took another angle and went to Shane saying she didn’t know who’s baby it was and she was so sorry. ANY woman knows you have just given him hope and to try to fight for her again, she forced his hand.
Ainfla, you are so right about Lori! And it's going right over the heads of all these men. LOL
Interesting theory and i did think her conversation with Shane was weird, but us guys could say your opinion is just jealousy over her skinny jeans. LOL
(This discussion is getting to be as much fun as arguing over sports, especially now when there is only just basketball going on)
I like the game changing episode from last night! I think it is brilliant, and it served as a great transition for the series. Kudos to raising the stakes!
Boardwalk Empire on HBO ended it's season by killing off a major character, and by the person close to the character as well.
Boardwalk Empire on HBO ended it's season by killing off a major character, and by the person close to the character as well. Wow, if Walking Dead was on HBO, there would be naked zombies in Zombie Empire, amazing how the AMC zombies are all decently dressed. If it was on PBS, the zombies could wear tuxedos and formal gowns and the group could hold up in a mansion. Dead Downton Abbey or Walking Downton Dead!!!
Haha, true. The zombie apocalypse would be a little less ... appropriate, I'd imagine. Still, AMC does a great job with what they've got! Anxiously looking forward to Sunday.
I think everyone has been infected by mosquitos. You become a zombie no matter how you die because the infected blood has already been transferred. The only hope now if for a cure.
Nope, there is no cure. It isn't a virus. It's just the end of times... As in any Zombie world, death is the cause of becoming a Zombie. It's not some disease passed on. The reason you become a Zombie after being bitten one isn't because of a virus being passed on, it's because being bitten by a Zombie is 100% lethal... Hence Zombie bite kills human and since human dies, they re-animate as a Zombie. The same way in this world if somebody OD's on durgs, get hits by car, or gets shot in the heart they will re-animate as a Zombie. As long as the brain is intact, somebody who dies will be Zombified...
Ow, does that mean that the zombies are the next evolutionary step? But what happens when there are no more people to eat and keep the zombies alive? Doesn't a disease die off when the hosts are destroyed or so diminshed you can't sustain the disease population? Mysteries, mysteries )
Also, keep in mind Randall's impalement with the fence in the town. That was more than enough of an opportunity for the Walker-virus to get into his blood stream if it was airborne. But that is still based upon if the Walker-virus is always airborne to which anyone who gets a scratch, cut or open wound is already signed up for the Walker team.
Viruses which are airborne, are dangerous because they enter the body through the respiration...breathing...not alighting upon a wound. Not just in show mythology, but in real life too.
If I'm not mistaken gangrene gets into an open wound, as does tetanus. But I guess they would be germs and not viral. What if you get the wound in areas where the germs are widespread from zombie contamination, like when you get tetanus from the soil or boculism or that other disease that was spread by white powder in the mail after 9-11 and gotten by skin contact (sorry I forget the name at the moment, but it is still endemic in the soil in parts of the midwest where there were lots of cattle)).
No it is anthrax.
this shows stinks lenny dykstra rules!
No, Lenny Dkstra serves time. Speaking of Lenny< i once heard an opposing centerfielder say that when Lenny was playing center filed at the Vet in Philly, he would turn it into a toxic waste dump wiht his tobacco spit and it was dangerously hard not to slip on it. Maybe Lenny started the whole zombie thing! Wasn't that guy that Rick shot in the bar from Philly?
I'm more curious about how the baby is going to turn out. If everyone is already infected and will turn once they die, zombie bite or not, is the baby infected as well? One would assume so since if Lori dies she'll go Walker just like the others (assuming). Perhaps since Lori is infected (again assuming she even is) the baby will develop an immunity to the Walker virus?
Also that car accident she had in a previous episode was pretty rough, not to mention she was suspended on her neck almost completely upside-down for what seemed hours. How do we know the baby is even still alive? And if it is not and Lori gives birth, will it be born a baby zombie? It won't entirely be a shocker since there was a zombie baby in the Dawn of The Dead remake. Then again, I don't think AMC will go as far as having a zombie baby. I could see a walker-virus immune baby though. Guess we'll see.
Google this: "Solanum Virus"
SOLANUM: THE VIRUS
Solanum works by traveling through the bloodstream, from the initial point of entry to the brain. Through means not yet fully understood, the virus uses the cells of the frontal lobe for replication, destroying them in the process. During this period, all bodily functions cease. By stopping the heart, the infected subject is rendered "dead." The brain, however, remains alive but dormant, while the virus mutates its cells into a completely new organ. The most critical trait of this new organ is its independence from oxygen. By removing the need for this all-important resource, the undead brain can utilize, but is in no way dependent upon, the complex support mechanism of the human body. Once mutation is complete, this new organ reanimates the body into a form that bears little resemblance (physiologically speaking) to the original corpse. Some bodily functions remain constant, others operate in a modified capacity, and the remainder shut down completely. This new organism is a zombie, a member of the living dead.
Thanks for the info.
This kind of explains Shane's altered mental status during the last few episodes of the show.
As soon as Daryl revealed that the zombified Randall had no bites, I thought 'Not good' the virus has mutated and no longer requires direct infection. Not having read the comic it was a surprise and a good plot twist.
However, we still don't know if it is airborne, so everyone has it, or if it gets into your bloodstream from an open would, like the kid's wrists from the handcuffs and Shane's knife wound and the guy Rick shot (didn't Rick shot the first in the head to start with and then shoot the other guy in the head after killing him?). (Could the guards have had open wounds at some point that got them infected). The zombie bites would be open wounds that the virus could enter through.
Lisa does have a point above about all the bodies on the road that were not shot in the head but had not come back as zombies.
I think there comming walkers for ither 3 reasons One: its starting to spread as a virus rather than having to be attacked by a walker to become a walker. Two: Possibly but not very likely the knives & blood are contaminated with the walker blood or that disease or somewhat. Three: the obvious"if you die you become one of the dead" is the best one cause it makes the show more interesting as they will try to find out why you become a walker even if you dont die from a walker. But the most interesting thing to me is how shane became a zombie so quickly cause it ussual took a day or so the transform but now every thing is happening so quick. but just gotta wait and see.
How did they change the rules? In every legit Zombie series ALL OF THE DEAD become Zombies. Where do you think the first Zombies came from anyway? Obviously they weren't bitten by Zombies. Not to mention, they addressed this a few weeks ago when the cops in the school yeard didn't have bites. If you die, you become a Zombie. End of story...
Excellent point on the original zombies! While I know enough of the comic to believe that there is a more organic cause to zombie-ism, I never considered that it is rather a major hint right there in Ep 1.
I wasn't surprised that the kid could become a zombie w/o getting bit by one. In the '18 Mile' episode the two cops in the fenced area had become zombies w/o any signs of bites. That was noted but forgotten when the fight and then the zombie attack started. It was an unanswered question until last night when it happened twice. Was this waht the scientist at NIH told Rick when they left Atlanta before the center blew up? Nobody ever mentions the helicopter that flew over Rick when he was getting the bag of weapons when he was first in Atlanta. Plus where are the guy and his son that he met back then, and where is darryl's brother who sawed off his hand to escape the roof?
The last couple of minutes of every episode have been stunners this season.
i have been asking these same questions all season. I love this show, but i often feel like the writers develop a story line only to let it fade away (or maybe they're setting us up for furture episodes/seasons). i suspect the black man and son and meryl (darryl's bro) will make another appearance somewhere down the line. this is what i'm really wondering though: so last night's episode proved what i'd thought all along; you come back as a walker once you die even if unbitten. that now seeming to be the case, can someone explain how it is that there were so many dead bodies, minus head wounds, on the highway in the beginning of the season. i distinctly remember carl taking a gun/knife from a dead man who was neither a walker nor had a head wound. i understand this is purely ficitonal and everything won't make sense; however, it just seems like a big hole the writers created that can't be easily explained away. oh, and darrly's detective/tracking skills on last night's episode...AWESOME. more darryl dixon!!!
The bodies on the highway that were in cars had been in car accidents. Massive head trauma would stop any re-animation. The others had been killed by other people going through there. Robert Kirkman said to watch that episode again very closely and you will see that was what had been done.
@ lisa "can someone explain how it is that there were so many dead bodies, minus head wounds, on the highway in the beginning of the season."
I read an interview with the creator this morning and he said that they had planned this all along and that they took great care to ensure that everyone on the highway was either shot in the head OR had suffered some sort of brain/head trauma as a result of the massive car pile-up. I agree, that wasn't necessarily explicit at the time, but it is an answer that makes sense to me.
All I can say is that I enjoyed the episode. I also agree & believe that this is what Jenner told Rick earlier in the series. This show just keeps getting better and better!
How come the security guards were dead and didn't come back as zombies? They didn't have bite marks or anything, just dead? The show where shane was in the bus fighting zombies.
Perhaps you missed the part where Shane and Rick used their blood to get them to come close to the fence and then used knives to kill them? They examined their bodies after dispatching them.
what the hell are you talking about? you obviously didnt watch the whole episode so you shouldnt comment if you didnt. They were alive as zombies until shane and rick killed them through the fence. After they died thats when they examined the bodies and realized there was no bites
That time of the month to liz or u always a b-tch?
my ex-wife's name is liz so they all must be
The way the graphic novels explain it, everyone is infected (not immune) and will become a walker when they die. Being bitten just causes an infection which hastens death.
In the graphic novels, Dale (who survived longer than in the show) was bitten on the leg by a walker and had his leg amputated by a doctor they picked up along their travels, thereby surviving the attack.
I was bowled over when they revealed Carl is the father of lLori's unborn baby.
Actually the baby's daddy is Justin Beiber...
Do u think when the lab blew up the virus was in there and spread I air? The baby going to be born a zombie? Is it just that town or the whole country? I just started watching this and don't understand it. HELP!
you need netflix, hon. way too much to explain.
I agree..you really need to get Netflix and just watch Season 1 and then re-watch season 2.
The only way to kill a zombie is to take out its brains correct? The kid had his neck snapped there would be no brain function so how did he come back as a walker? And where are all the dogs? A farm with no dogs...really?
you do have a point. Back in Atlanta at the Lab, the scientist showed the brain scan that had all the infected brain die off except for the small basic function area that recovers and gives enough life to ambulate the zombie. Unless later posters are right and the virus/bacteria that causes this does not come from the zombies only, it would seem like the kid would have a brain that died w/o this return of function. Unless there is a virus/bacteria that affects anyone who dies, the zombie bite not being the cause of the zombie-itis, just the cause of death. Will be interesting to see how they explain this.
In the show's zombie mythology, you have to destroy the brain...A snapped neck doesn't destroy the brain, not even in real life. A snapped/borken neck only prevents signals from going to body from brain and vice versa, but only if the spinal cord is completely severed. If not completely severed then the signal is only partially interrupted.
Try not to overthink it...or you'll find yourself asking questions like, "How do zombies digest food if they're dead?"
Gee I doubt they digest food at all, otherwise there would be zombie crap all over the place since i doubt they are very hygenic about their bowel habits. (LOL) . Don't remember anyone shoveling out the barn when they were kept locked in there.
Good point Cindy, I agree with you. If we're supposed to believe that the virus takes over the brain, which then re-animates the body, I think you're right... a snapped neck would make a paralyzed zombie.
also if the spinal cord was snapped when the neck was broken, how does the brain send signals to the body to move? shouldnt the zombie be paralized?
I agree about the dogs
An episode or two ago, Shane and Rick discovered walkers with no bite marks leading us to believe that something new was going on.. I also noticed that Shane came back as a walker in almost no time. It took Andrea's sister about 48 hours to rise again.
wrong, where did you get 48 hours? she got bit at night and turned the next day. god, some of you walking dead fans are stupid.
I think it was explained in a couple different episodes that the timing varies person to person, some rise up immediately, some take a few days.
It took her all night to die, I assume you can not come back until you die.
Everyone who dies becomes a walker. So what? How does this affect the plot going forward? Now every deceased victim gets a single well-placed bullet before burial. No big deal. This isn't some great plot twist.
Tell me this isn't the entirety of what Jenner whispered to Rick.
That's exactly how I felt! Ok, I'll buy it that every person who dies becomes a walker, but so what? Who cares? Someone get on a radio and start announcing that you have to shoot dead people in the head, and problem solved.
So Rick is immune as well as his whole family? And his best friend happened to be immune as well? I guess... whatever. I'm just hoping that Season 3 has some more action. Season 2 was on the whole boring as hell.
No, not necessarily...the effects of the virus, in terms of show mythology, may not reveal themselves until the host dies. In real life, viruses mutate...so, some years you may be exposed to a flu virus and nothing happens, then the next year you get exposed and feel like you want to die.
At any rate...the bottom line is, it's a TV show, so it's ok to suspend disbelief for an hour.
Why do you think the Grimes family is immune? They have not died yet. If any one of them were to die they would probably become a zombie. The zombie virus takes effect ONLY AFTER death!! Also, at the CDC Jenner never said they were all healthy. He said that there were no surprises with their blood tests. Jenner definitely told Rick something about the virus and not that Lori was pregnany. I doubt Jenner was doing pregnancy tests. He just checked their blood for evidence of the zombie causing virus.
The Walking Dead ROCKS and the last two episodes have been phenomenal. Don't want the season to end and can't wait to see each episode. This show should definitely be up for some awards and win them all!!!!
To grimmy. I would rather watch pron. While your watching your dum shows I am pleasing your guy. I show him every thing I learned watching my shows. He luvs it. Get your big azz away from the tv and take care of him. Fix him a meal to while your at it.
fail troll is fail.
Whoever you are... Evel or Richard, you are really getting worse with your trolling... now it just doesn't make any sense.
u r stupid.
You're weird. Why are you on this message board?
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Last night was certainly a great episode and I am sure the season finale will be worthy of watching. After seeing Randall and Shane come back as a Walkers without being bitten or scratched, I now assume that the virus that may be causing the Walkers is now viral or has been viral, I don't know I am just guessing. I am still wondering what jenner said to Rick at the CDC and I guess we will never know unless it is revealed the new season.
We think he told him about Lori's pregnancy. Rick was not at all surprised when she told him. At least he didn't appear to be surprised.
We think he told him about Lori's pregnancy. Rick was not at all surprised when she told him. At least he didn't appear to be surprised. Remember, they had body scans at the CDC.
Uh no we don't think that. The revelation that Jenner told Rick is THAT EVERYONE HAS THE VIRUS...duh. Not everything is a pregnancy plot twist from one life to live...
I thought it was the pregnancy too, but I'm questioning that now. I read an interview with Robert Kirkland, and he said what Jenner told Rick would be revealed in the season finale.
Yeah...it's safe to assume the virus is viral...100% of all viruses are viral. Go back to Season 1, when they went to the CDC, as it pretty much explains what it is and how it operates in the body. The major unknowns (in the show) were How does it spread and is there a cure? Dr. Jenner was close to having more answers, but accidentally destroyed his sample and the CDC, along with his data, was ultimately destroyed. He indicated his counterparts in France were working on it too, but contact has been lost...It shouldn't be difficult for them to handle the Zombies there though, since French Zombies will surrender at the drop of a hat, and because they also insist having a nice white wine when feasting on human flesh, it's easy to sneak up on them and put them down.
Je me rends! Je me rends!
Man, I laughed at your post for about 10 minutes. Not at you, but with you on the French Zombie comment.
@Crabby... pure awesomeness! Thanks for the laugh! French zombies!!!!!
definitely one of the greatest shows i've ever saw.
Remember the number one rule regarding Zombies : There are NO rules.
Everyone is infected and the agent is airborne. However, some people are immune. When they die their immune system dies with them and then they can come back as a walker.
I believe you may be right. I am thinking it is more viral than ever before. It certainly makes for a great plot. No one will ever know where it orginated from either or what Jenner whispered to Rick before blowing up the CDC.
I have seen an aweful lot of posts about what the CDC doc whisper to Rick was about the virus but that doesn't make any sense. To me it was clear that he told Rick his wife was pregnant. Was I the only one that got that? They did give everyone a blood test to test for the virus right? Blood tests can give a lot of info...
This is one of the most poorly written posts I've ever seen. Hey Mr. Hanks - your pronoun antecedent agreement is a total train wreck. And figure out how to use punctuation. CNN should be embarrassed to post this garbage. Nice quality control.
Well it could be in the water. But Shane had so much bruises , cuts and other open wound from him fights he could have got it the constant contact with zombie blood.
I was just talking about this last night! What about when he was trapped on the bus and cutting his hand and sliming it on the side there for the walkers to lick up – and he repeatedly smeared his hand all over where they were licking. I wondered then if he was going to become a zombie.
I'm a little disappointed that Shane's gone. I really liked him in the begining and even though he was a complete ass in the end I kept hoping for a redemption.
You both have a point, both Shane and the boy had open bloody wounds that could have picked up an airborne infection that causes zombism after death. But Rick's kid also had a severe gunshot wound so he would also have picked up an airborne infection that would make him a zombie after he dies (unless the antibiotic they gave him after the operation kills off the zombie virus/).
Please introduce Michonne already....i can't wait for her to tear it up and give this show some life again...
Michonne appears in the season finale, yes with two walkers in chains when she saves Andreas life :)
Who is Michonne? I have watched every episode but have not read any of the comic books. Which episode/season was she in?
This was definitely a shocker. From what I've read about zombies, there never was a case where someone who died from causes unrelated to a zombie bite returns as a zombie. The Walking Dead is a great show but I am very interested to see what happens next week. With the deviation from typical zombie laws, the finale hopefully will explain, or at least tie in what happened this week.
I have actually seen several books/ Romero's movies that state that if you die you come back as a zombie (even if unbitten) if you read the comic, it also states that Rick finds out and goes to where Shane was buried and sure enough, pop goes the Shane (out of the grave). I think this episode more than made up for the few dull episodes the season had and can't wait to see the next season!
In the movie, "Night of the Living Dead," I believe anyone who died during a certain time period became a zombie. Something to do with radiation from a space probe or something equally weird.
You know, D, I've seen several people who've talked or complained about the time at the farm, but I have a different perspective. I think the relative slowness of several episodes were deliberately done – first, to lull both the characters and the viewers into a false sense of security; second, to be able to develop some of these characters more fully, which has been great; and third, to make what's happened recently even more shocking. I never saw it coming when Sophia walked out of that barn. I thought that was the most shocking thing I could see. Then Dale? Wow. Last night's episode, while Shane had taken the crazy train too far to come back, and I knew his intentions as soon as he set all that up with Randall – wow too. I think last night's episode was the best of the series so far. Just wish they didn't have to go to a break before season 3. And please don't kill off Glenn or Daryl.
What Shane and Randall have in common are stained souls, bad deeds and a lack of repentance....so zombification is a kind of purgatory. Doesn't the bible have some references to the return of the undead and the necessity of being saved to avoid plights of a post-mortem existence in the end-times?
Given the show takes place in the bible belt and recall the episode where zombies were hanging out in church (albeit a bit late)....might this make some sense?
Not to sound contradictory, but wouldn't the 1st zombie have no bites?
George, you have a VERY good point. Haha
These ARE the typical zombie rules. As Katie stated above, it was established in the original 1968 "Night of the Living Dead", which is somewhat regnized as the starting point of what we now know as the modern zombie story. Although the film tries to keep the actual cause a mystery, radiation from a returning satellite is hinted as the actual cause, while the phrase "the unburied dead are returning to life and eating the flesh of their victims" is heard on a news report.
In some of Romero's later zombie films, it's actually stated, "So if you get bitten you become one of them?" and someone replies, "No, when you DIE you become one of them."
Though films like "28 Days Later" and even the remake of Romero's own "Dawn of the Dead" may have played with that rule, those of us faithful fans (who have no lives, I admit), always subscribe to Romero's law.
That twist that everyone is infected doesn't make sense.
And a zombie apocalypse does? Nothing makes sense in this new world. It's supposed to be that way.....
I guess the idea would be the living are infected but the Zombie manifestation does not take over the body until you die. Maybe its dormant and maybe the only hpoe is to find a cure before the current "living" die. They had already hinted in a couple shows at this twist when they couldnt find bites on Zombies they had put down..
Who cares if you become a zombie after you die of other causes? You're dead! But either these people are all infected and getting sick and dying, or they have developed antibodies that keep them from getting sick and dying when infected. I suppose there could be something else in the zombie bite that kills you, which is why bitten people die. But that just seems unnecessarily complicated. Also, I still want to know why Rick is alive, and this twist just complicates my theory.
Perhaps one thing the two of them had in common was they had had open wounds – Shane when he cut his hand while he was on the bus and Randall trying to get out of the handcuffs. I don't know if that's the explanation, but it is something they had in common.
Of course it doesn't make sense, it's zombies. But I have to say that everybody is already infected does make sense if you really think about it. Why did Randall die if there were no marks on him? That makes me think that no one has a chance after all.
Makes no sense? Why? It makes perfect sense, since the cause for the zombie outbreak would seem to be environmental ( no meteor falling to earth, alien invasion). Most likely air or water. How would you explain the zombie infestation? Astrological signs? Political leanings? Eye color? This thing wrapped itself around the world with astonishing speed. It couldn't have spread that quickly through bites and scratchings.
The group is headed to the prison..
I really hope you are right and I kind of hope Randall's group is run by The Governor.
Bring on Michone for Season 3! Her first scene should be her walking down a road with 2 jawless zombies on chain leashes. One can only hope!
we can only hope the next season brings michonne and the prison.
I agree about the prison and the Governor. Glad the story is going forward.
I'm betting we see Michonne in the finale this week.
This episode was AWESOME !!! I don't even have the words! I read about Shane's departure but I wasn't expecting it in this manner. I thought for sure it would have been a walker or Randall, but to have them both in the field with a high moon beautiful!!
When u kill a walker then they must come back again and again? Sounds like a dum show for dum ppl.
If you watched the show you would know.... you have to kill a walker by killing its brain... shoot it, smash it, decapitate it, whatever.
Once you kill a walker that way, then its dead for good.
Obviously you dont watch the show... so you are just making yourself look stupid for commenting on something you dont watch.
Ha Ha dumb cow.
I welcome a good feisty comeback but I must say....you have to be INCREDIBLY dumb to MISSPELL the word DUMB. Save those precious brainwaves try to learn to read. For your own embarrassment's sake stay away from message boards that are designed to provide users with feedback that they can debate.
Ha! Another fat, uneducated chick trying to sound like she knows what's going on. Hahahahahaha
Thanks for that critique. Know let us get back to our knuckle-dragging drooling ways while you go watch some seriously intelligent shows like the Bachelor or Real Housewives.
And misspelling the word Dumb is not?! How can you sit there and say that when you obviously are yourself. Get a life and stop judging people for taking the time to enjoy theirs. Go back to school, learn to spell, and then come back and tell everyone how DUMB they are. What kind of shows do you watch?
@ woodsman: Yeah...ummmm...it's 'now', not 'know' (or should that be knot, since everybody seems to be hung up on spelling and/or grammar). If you're going to critique someone's perceived lack of spelling skills, at least do yourself a favor and put your post through Word first.
Now, all of you......stop feeding the trolls.
Coming from someone who can't spell dumb (dum...really?) I will take your comment as a complement.
Ronin – lol at feeding the trolls
your the dummy reading this blog if you dont like the show, cant wait till sunday!
It seems a walker has learned to type. Congratulations! Here, have a brain. Looks like you need one.
It's Romero rules... no matter how you die, as long as the brain is intact, you come back as a zombie. The walkers aren't the only ones who are the Walking Dead. My guess is that this is what Jenner whispered into Rick's ear, but Rick has tried not to believe it. In the back of his mind though I'm sure he knew all along that it was true - why else would he have shot the chubby guy in the bar in the head after he was already down?
this author got 2 things wrong in the article. did he even watch the episode? i wont even waste my time typing what he got wrong.
Thank you! This author obviously knows nothing of the subject matter!
This theory explains a lot, like the two guards who they found at 18 mile who had nor been bitten, and the two Zombie turns last night w/o them being bit. The question is whether you get the infection by just breathing 9so everyone potentially has it), or do you need to have been bleeding at some point so as to have the airborne infection enter your bloodstream and hit the brain (w/o being treated with antibiotics like Rick's son)?
I was tickled by your point about the whisper and Rick knowing, but alas lol, if he had trly known...he would have shot Shane in the head as well knowing he would rise after he killed him. So back to square one I guess. The so bites lol no pun intended!!
thank you, erik...glad someone out there was able to recognize this...it's really great that they're going full-on romero rules with this series...
@ Lori: Good point, but you gotta take into consideration that Rick was probably emotoionally distraught. Ever forgotten something you had to do when you had a bad day? Yup, trauma like that will make you forget important stuff ... even stuff as important as a dead friend (literally) coming back to bite you in the behind!
I totally agree about the whisper. I also think Rick was sitting around Shane's body waiting for it to happen when Carl came along. Love the show. Love the graphic novels.
Great episode. Loved watching Shane die ... twice!
This show could only be better if it was on HBO
I know! then they could really explore these characters and thicker the story line.
I disagree that it would be better on HBO. AMC is doing an amazing job with shows like this and Breaking Bad. They have earned my respect.
AMC skimps on the budget. More action, less philosophy. This is a zombie show after all, not a morality play.
I think AMC has done a great job with the series. I'm glad they've taken the time to explore the morality issues in a post zombie-apocalypse world. Zombie brain bashing gets old after a while.
I didn't realize that we didn't yet know that the living automatically become walkers when they die. I read the comic so I guess I forget what has been revealed on the show. Everyone on earth is infected. Whenever you die you become a walker. I hope that isn't considered a spoiler since they just showed that.
I think reading the graphic novel/comic is like watching the BBC version of Being Human before seeing the U.S. version. Close but different and confusing.
I read the Game of Thrones after seeing the first HBO series, that was almost exactly the same except for minor details, will be interesting to see if Season Two continues to follow the books closely. I know the end of Girll with the Dragon tatoo is different than the book and swedish movie, but it has been so long since then and the other 2 novels and movies, that I may not notice the difference.
I always wondered why the living did not turn into zombies when they had been in such close contact with the dead. Now we know! Die of natural causes – someone needs kill you again!
So if that's the case, we can expect to see Dale again next week... as a walker? Whoa...
Remeber two weeks ago when Dale died, Daryl shot him in the head when the screen went dark. So he should not be comming back.
That doesn't make sense to me. If you have the virus without any effects, then you must have developed antibodies. Yet everyone who is bitten dies of the bites within a matter of hours.I know it's a zombie show, but I can only take so much suspension of disbelief.
Christopher, it isn't so far fetched. People live with ongoing viral infections all the time, kept at bay by a strong immune system. For example, different herpes-like viruses exist in most people with no problem, but as soon as your immune system is suppressed (like in a transplant patient), the body loses its ability to fight it and can you get sick from it. It surely wouldn't happen as fast as the walkers are reanimated, but this is science fiction!
@Christopher, being bitten is not what turns you into a zombie. Being bitten causes the victim to develop a fever which kills them (the amount of time it takes them to die depends on the severity of the bite). Everyone is already infected. Once you die you turn unless you have suffered a brain injury (like Dale and those two guys in the bar being shot in the head). Everyone erroneously assumed that being bitten is what turned you because the death by zombie rates have skyrocketed. In the show, as in the graphic novels, coming in contact with zombie fluids (blood, saliva, etc) does not have any effect on people.
This is an interesting fact from the comics but the "Walking Dead" series has different rules. Don't be confused by what happened last night with Randall and Shane. Randall was not a walker. This was odd because it was assumed that he was killed by a walker since Shane sworn that he was alive when he last saw him. We the viewers knew that he was killed by a neck break hence the lack of bite marks. Shane on the other hand was turned into a zombie by the blood on Rick's knife. Remember that just 24 hours prior, Rick killed "Dale's Zombie with that same knife!". Don't be fooled by the series twist and turns. The rules in the series are different from the rules in the comic book.
Jason. Dales zombie was not killed by Rick. He was killed by Daryl who was the first on location. Yes his knife was used to killed zombies before like the guards at the location where they were going to dump Randall but that doesn't explain everything. Randall was a walker and Daryll affirmed there was no injuries other than the broken neck so he became a walker o natural. The show has been headed this way with hints such as the dead guards with no bites, just 'possible' scratches.
So, doesn't anyone remember that when Shane went into the town with Otis he got scratched by a walker...Thats why he came home and shaved his head; to make sure that he wasn't injured by the walker. I think that is why he turned into a walker.... Just sayin
Hey Trebor, I don't mean to sound pushy or anything like that, but before dropping a bomb shell such as the one you just did, please give people a spoiler alert. Again, I don't mean to come off as pushy, and I apologize if I do.
@ britenties2127, Shane"s head scratch was because Otis had grabbed his hair after he shot him in the leg as a sacrifice. Shane shaved his head as he recalls Otis pulling it. Did you watch?
I believe we're going to find out that the virus is now an airborne virus and this is why no injury from a walker is needed to turn you now. And that this may possibly be what the CDC guy told Rick.
Um, yep. that's a spoiler... :)
I'm wondering why the 2 guys that Rick killed in town a couple of weeks ago didn't immediately turn to zombies? He shot one in the chest and I'm not sure where for the other one unless I missed something.
The CDC guy told Rick that his wife was pregnant.
Seriously, folks were shocked that everyone is infected.... really... is the viewing public that "out of it".... that's why when the CDC guy told them, in reference to their blood samples.. he said he didnt find anything he didnt expect... that was purposeful.. he didnt say.. "clean bill of health".. , wow.....
What happens to all the folks that wore dentures in their life but die and become "walkers?" Are now "gummers"
I mean come on. Polidents good but can't hold forever.
they need to have a guest to come join the cast, say Vin Diesel. Seems like every movie he's in just kick's ass even more.
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