Kirk Cameron lost at least one fan with his remarks about homosexuality and gay marriage last week, but the former "Growing Pains" actor is standing his ground.
He explains in a statement that he "spoke as honestly" as he could when asked about his views on "homosexuality, gay marriage and abortion" while being interviewed for his film, "Monumental," "but some people believe my responses were not loving toward those in the gay community."
Cameron continued, "That is not true. I can assuredly say that it's my life's mission to love all people."
On Friday, Cameron appeared on "Piers Morgan Tonight" to discuss his film, among other topics.
When Piers Morgan asked the actor what he'd tell his kids regarding gay marriage, Cameron responded, "I'd tell my children what I believe myself...I believe that marriage was defined by God a long time ago. Marriage is almost as old as dirt and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part. I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage, and I don't think anyone else should, either. So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don't."
Morgan then inquired whether Cameron thinks homosexuality is a sin, and the actor replied, "I think that it's unnatural, that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."
The remarks received backlash from GLAAD, members of Hollywood and even Cameron's former "Growing Pains" co-stars. (Alan Thicke, who played Cameron's former TV dad, tweeted Monday, "I'm getting him some new books. The Old Testament simply can't be expected to explain everything...I love Kirk but I may have to spank him...'tho not in a gay way!")
Cameron says in response to the outcry, "The only way to properly answer these kind of questions is to begin the discussion with another question: Is life and sexuality sacred or are they not? If they are, then God has something to say about these things. If not, then everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.
I believe that freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand-in-hand in America. I should be able to express moral views on social issues - especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years - without being slandered, accused of hate speech and told from those who preach 'tolerance' that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square.
In any society that is governed by the rule of law, some form of morality is always imposed. It's inescapable. But it is also a complicated subject, and that is why I believe we need to learn how to debate these things with greater love and respect."
Cameron, 41, adds that not everyone has reacted negatively.
"I’ve been encouraged by the support of many friends (including gay friends, incidentally)," he says in his statement. "Thank you! I look forward to those who will join me as I seek to show you our true 'National Treasure' at the live, nationwide viewing of “Monumental” on Tuesday, March 27."
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I believe that kirk cameron was so right about saying that gays and lesbians are doing what is against nature,or unnatural.i believe it was this very act that destroyed sodom, and gommoria.and God warned about these very acts before his comeing as the reigning king.Jesus will rule with a rod. he is the king of the jews.gay are doing that which is against nature.if my son told me that he was gay i would disown him. just like Jesus will disown the gays and lesbians.he will destroy them.
Whaaaaa?! Re-read your bible, man. Jesus loved EVERYONE.
Kirk, congratulations on your honesty. Many try to hide their honest and godly opinion, but you choose to honor our Father. The word of God says that through their fruits you will know them. Keep up the good fight and remember that there is a reward at the end. Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord and they put Him above everyone and everything. The enemy came to robe, steal and destroy, but God turns all the bad into good for all those who love Him. You are an inspiration to all your brothers and sisters in the Lord. Keep up the good work, and may God bless you and everyone else out there.
An opinion is not abuse. You may not like it, but it's not abusive. I'm sure Kirk has nothing to worry about. Even if one of his kids turn out gay he will still love them, but not love their lifestyle. Religion is about Faith, not an excuse. Not believing in something can give someone the thought of not doing the right thing.
Live & Let Live....
I really hope none of Cameron's kids is gay. After years of draconian pray the gay away that poor kid would be nothing but an empty emotional shell. Religion gives people an excuse to abuse others.
I heard that Alan Thicke was some kind of a prev and only dated 14 year olds.
Oh, so you're saying he dates derp? Explains everything!
derp, you are a waste of oxygen. Stop commenting on the same damn article...
we all are going before him everyone of us if you believe or you don't you are going to be face to face and let him tell you and Jesus loves gays for god did not send his son into the world to condemn but to save the world. Jesus is love
Your remarks were brilliant Kirk-about the best I've heard. I truly belive the Lord gave you utterance. May God bless you richly.
The bible commands women to be silent and obedient.
Shut up and make me some pancakes.
@Stephen you are correct at the fact that Jesus loved everyone, and Mr. Cameron never said he hated gays, he just expressed his opinion with love, as a child of God would do to the best of his ability in this situation.
You can call Kirk whatever you want but COWARD is not one of them. Most people get uneasy and try to answer the question in a round about way. This guy just came right out and voiced his answer through his beliefe and faith. That I believe is respectable. One would think he called for every gay hater in America to pick up a stone and throw it at a gay person, the way the gay community is reacting.
"You can call Kirk whatever you want but"
I think delusional jesustard has a nice ring to it.
Anyone who is a true believer of God and the Bible understands that God is love and he openly accepts and loves all of his creations, straight, gay, black, white, asian, etc. Mr. Cameron clearly doesn't undertand the Bible and needs a refreasher course.
Exactly. Thank you very much!
Im so tired of people thinking because somebody voices an opinion or a fact they are a bad person if one is offended.first off if you are gay then shut up and keep it to yourself. I mean dont be so stupid its obvious that the majority of people dont aprove of it or any of you would have never had to hide it in the first place . the one thing that gays dont seem to realize they wouldnt exist if a man and a woman hadnt come together and created them. ya know the "normal" way. if all the straight people in the world would vanish and only gays were left no more children would be born. and after all of you die then what. so to all of you gays that are religious and believe in the word you already know God doesnt approve. sorry i dont think your gonna have your little gay pride parades in heaven. i think the devil is more behind your being here that makes alot more sense
I admire your "realness" Darryn. I couldn't have said it better myself...thanks sir.
Sorry Darryn, your example has a major flaw. Its like this, even if all straight people disappeared as you put it, children most certainly can be created. Ever hear of artificial insemination? Yes that's right, a gay man doesn't even have to touch a lesbian woman for a baby to come about. Ah yes, the miracle that is modern science.
Then again, it may not be as modern as we think. Seeing as a man doesn't have to be near a woman to impregnate them, could it be possible that the so called virgin Mary was also artificially inseminated? Could it be, that with all his supposed supernatural "powers", that Jesus was a human/alien hybrid? Hmmm. How interesting.
These comments are so sad. There is such hatred on both sides. Both sides feel like the other's views are being forced upon each other, and the lashing out against each other won't bring anyone over to the other's side. Morality will have its basis on man's ideas/laws or God's law (the Bible), or a mixing of both (the Bible says stealing & murder is wrong and so does the US government). But because these can be so far off from each other, both sides will never come to an agreement on this.
The ironic thing is that for an atheist, if you don't believe in God and His Word, and you are correct in that He doesn't exist, you will never know that you were right because your consciousness will end. But if you are wrong, well, I'm sure you can figure out the consequences from the Bible. For a Christian that believes in God, and has saving faith that turns out to be right, heaven awaits him/her. On the other hand, if you are a Christian and wrong, you will never know that you were wrong because your consciousness will end.
"On the other hand, if you are a Christian and wrong, you will never know that you were wrong because your consciousness will end"
Unless the muslims are right.
Then you are going to burn in hell right alongside the atheists.
"Both sides feel like the other's views are being forced upon each other'
Only one side is forcing it's view.
Nobody is telling you that you have to marry a hom ose xual.
That would be forcing their view on you.
How about we make this fair for both sides.
You stop trying to legalize openly discriminatory policy that infringes on the rights of one segment of our society, and I won't force you to marry someone of the same se x.
That would be fair. Nobody would be forcing their opinion on each other
If Kirk had supported gay marriage...media would be shouting his praises from every outlet. Last time I checked this man can have any view/opinion he likes. He does not base his view on how many states allow gay marriage so that point had no point. God's word is God's word. period. Many people seem to miss that Kirk admits that we ALL fall short. Here is a man who was asked a question and answered it honestly and true to his faith. I do not support gay marriage but that does not mean I hate gay people. God teaches that we should love one another...I can love you but that does not mean I will support all your choices.
I read a post that stated this is why Christian's have a bad rap. Why? If I handed you the Bible and said Ok, go read this..it is everything I believe in and then I lived completely different...then I would expect you to think I wasn't on the up and up. But, he was asked the question. I guess he could have said "no comment" or better yet he could have lied...wouldn't that have been great for a man who lives his life very publicly as a Christian? He answered honestly.
I am a Christian. In fact I am a Pastor. God has given me a love for people...black, white, straight, gay,...whatever. I just love people but I don't support that which goes against the word of God. I think when some people hear, "I don't support gay marriage because God says it isn't right" they hear "I hate gay people and hope they all burn in hell." Maybe there are some crazy people who really think that second thought but that doesn't mean we all do.
I support what Kirk said because he is supporting the Bible. God is clear on the subject. Kirk did not make a hatred remark remark against gay people. He is saying that he does not support gay marriage. That does not mean he hates. We all have sin in our life. We don't support the sin, but we love the sinner. I think that is all he is saying. Good for your Kirk to stand up and defend your beliefs.
Let Kirk Cameron say and tihnk what he wants. Why argue how he feels or what he believes? Seriously, how is Kirk Cameron speaking for anyone but himself and those that agree with him? I've always thought Kirk Cameron was gay, for the record, but it's funny to see a guy that's an actor, talking about gays, since half of entertainers seem to be gay. Also, how does this guy lose "at least one fan"? How does this man have any fans?
I stand with Kirk totally. I think God did define marriage. I sorry that may not be popular now, this day and age. I also know that this view was on the right track twenty years ago. I didn't define marriage, however, I believe that God does and will hold those accountable for their actions. The bible is very clear about how God feels about this too. Yes he is love, however he does not approve of those who wish to alter the concept of marriage. I will not judge those, I let God do that. Yes we need to fear God and if we allow this to continue on the track, then God will send his judgement against those who do not heed his words.
You miss the point, no gay people are demanding to be married in a church, they just want to be recognized like any other couple. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm not gay, and I see no threat to family or marriage if gays are recognized as a committed couple. Why would anyone care? Denying them a legal bonding isn't going to make gay people not be gay.
ADAM AND EVE ! NOT ADAM AND STEVE !! ENOUGH SAID !!
What a (not) profoundly generic, non original, ignorant think to say. Some dumb random quote and that's "enough said, case closed."? Is that supposed ot make gays stop being gay? Weak.
Your bible commands you to be silent and obey men.
Shut up and blow me.
Good for you Kirk. It's hard to find people who will stand up for what they believe in...no matter how loud the opposition screams. I applaud you and wish more people would "Stand for Something".
BTW I love your new movies that portray Christian values!
Kameron is 100% right in his view ! It doesn't matter a bit if his thinking is accepted or not, once truth needs only God's endorsement!
We need more men with his faith and courage to stand alone whenever necessary! The wise ones will always respect and admire men like him; what the rest think is not worth of consideration, because they are shallow and cowards, afraid to offend the devil !
Great comments Sandra! I agree with you! It is hard to stand alone sometimes. But with God on our side we will never really be alone.
Did you two stupid bi tches forget your bible?
Your bible commands your two to be silent and obey men.
No turn off the computer, blow me, and go make me a sandwich.
It's funny how all these so called Christians are quick to fight about anything yet, still think other humans are inferior to whites.
:::racist christians will make it to hell too. Not just the gays or other views.
I think blacks are a far inferior race to whites and I should be allowed to keep them as slaves as set forth in the bible.
Thanks Jeff, I wish more good christians would stand up and support our right to profess our beliefs and stand by them.
You are a good man.
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This is a pure shame to the christian world. We are more racist than the Muslims. Just got the the southern states and see how they treat blacks.
Kirk who...? Exactly!
I would like people to take notice that Piers Morgan brought this whole topic up and kept at Kirk to answer. When Kirk began to answer Piers then did not ever allow him to finish his thought so as to make it controversial. So I suppose we are all playing into this 'ratings game' by commenting on the matter. But here's my contribution... Kirk DOES have the right to his thoughts on the matter if asked. And he was asked! He was not unkind at all. THIS is how he feels. Piers knew when asking the question what his answer would be. ALL of us who know anything about Kirk Cameron today would have known. It was a silly question for THAT reason. Have NONE of you ever disagreed with people yet STILL cared about them? Another pointless question because, OF course we ALL have. Well, HOPEFULLY we as a "tolerant" people do anyway. Although I am NOT seeing alot of TOLERANCE shown to Kirk here.
Mainly he was there to promote what I believe will be an interesting film and he should have been allowed to talk about the film... MONUMENTAL!!
I love how the media states that Cameron is outside the mainstream when HE IS NOT! He is the mainstream! You can try to say he is not and think you are changing minds but that is not working! Wake Up! There is alot more of us than you and we are no longer going to sit on our hands and let a few control the many!
JSN claims: "I choose to base my moral compass on the Bible. Therefore, no, I do not believe in gay marriage or abortion."
Don't 'believe' in gay marriage or legal access to abortion? Don't participate in either, then. Seriously, believe what you must but keep that belief out of other people's civil rights. I choose not to believe that book of fairy tales you call a bible. That doesn't mean I'm working to pass laws preventing you from reading it, believing in it, or living YOUR life by it.
What that book offers you is a free gift and the choice to receive it or not- You seem to have made your choice?
@Kerry, boycott Family Ties? What did Michael J. Fox ever do to you?
I thimk the problem stems from a complete misunderstanding of what the real gospel states.
The term "Christian" has different meaning to those proclaiming to be believers, as well as non-believers. A true understands that God is love. We are supposed to walk in love, and show the same love to others regardless. Unfortunately, not everyone professing to be Christain lives according to the understanding that God is love. They set a poor example and turn off non-believers from even attempting to understand the Bible and relationship between God and man. It's truly a sad state of affairs from my perspective.
However, even though I try to walk in love everyday of my life, it doesn't mean I put my own beliefs to the side when it comes to moral issues. I think if some of you with the most extreme views against religion might be surprised at how much of the Bible applies to our world today. Despite the increased hostility towards Christianity, I choose to base my moral compass on the Bible. Therefore, no, I do not believe in gay marriage or abortion. At the same time, I know my opinion is not going to sway anyone who has a strong differing opinion than man. Particulary in this day and age when people no longer compromise or have civil discussions. It's quite sad.
Finally, to the person who stated he longed for the day when Christianity is outlawed, I welcome that day.
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Sounds pretty cut and dry whether you lived 2000 years ago or today!
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
So if they f&*k standing up it's ok?
You dopes and your silly tinkerball manual. It is a storybook. It was never meant to be taken seriously.
Do you believe in Santa Cluas too?
what an ignorant, closed minded piece of humanity
do not be so hard on yourself Mark:(
What an awesome man to stand up for Christ and share his word with others. The Bible is our directions to life.
Or just an outdated iron age collection of fables cobbled together by goat herders who though the world was flat.
Well, that's the last time I watch "Family Ties"!
Boycott "Family Ties"
This moronic washed-up has-been thinks he knows better than God himself? Wow, how arrogant is that?
The bible does say that in the last days, people that believe in Jesus Christ and live a the christian life will be persecuted for their belief. There are a lot of things that are occurring in these days that is talked about in the bible. Read the book of Revelations.
Well if one person starts attending church because of Kirk's comments or picks up a bible and reads it, then all of this is worth it. I agree, the bible does say when the end is near, Christain will be treated badly for standing up for their beliefs.
Who honestly cares about what a washed-up 80's sitcom star has to say about these wedge issues?
Awesome job Kirk, you have said what the majority of people think. It is unnatural. Thank you!
both of you two c unts need to heed your bible and be silent.
Now back into the kitchen and make me some spaghetti before I go all old testament on your a ss.
And Christians wonder why they have such a bad stereotype.
Why yes derp (???) I am merely a woman and proud of it. The bible commands me to love one another as CHRIST loved the church. And for your information I did obey my husband for the 30 years that we were married before he passed away. We worked together as a team to raise our family and we have wonderful awesome children that do not spew out hate and discontent. And if you will come to my house I will be happy to make you a sandwich. I will continue to stand up for people like Kirk Cameron who has the courage to express their beliefs without fear of being talked about like an animal. WAY TO GO KIRK!!!! God bless you and yours....
What part of "silent" are too stupid to figure out?
Hey joe, I am straighter than you. I just can't stand bible spouting dimwits.
Except for your mom. I like her. She lets me blow goop in her face.
I applaud you for taking a stand and speaking the truth.
Just like the Naz!s who applauded Hitler.
1) I'm not gay
2) Even if I was, I'm too busy bangin your mom to have time for men.
Ask her how my d cik tastes.
GOING INTO POLITICS KIRK?
I am not religious and cannot stand Kirk Cameron, but I agree with his comment that it is not natural. It just isnt and its not even debatable.
I support Kirk for his COURAGEOUSNESS to speak the TRUTH. Alan Thicke is an idiot saying he needs to buy Kirk "new" books. New books by whom? Some derranged sissy from hollywood? Maybe he should be worried about his own true life kid that's been caught with drugs.
Kirk is 100% correct on his views. Truth hurts, doesn't it, America?
Funny, how People at least once a week has some sort of gay article, yet, covering Kirk's interview hasn't been found there. HHHmmmmm. Can we say UNBIASED reporting?
A more appropriate question should be whether the state has the authority to define marriage. From a legal standpoint it is a contract between two people and the government.
As I see it, advocates are actually inserting themselves into what should be a wholly religious construct. A legal union is not a marriage or vice-versa.
And what is to prevent polygamy? I'm not advocating it but I'd like to hear a defense of gay marriage that includes a denial of the right to polygamy using the same logic. Or incest for that matter. Horrid things to be sure but an insult of me doesn't make your logic valid.
How can a government decide what determines a valid marriage? Legal contracts yes, marriage no. What's to prevent a couple from marrying a third or a relative for advantageous insurance or tax purposes? How can the government decide what love is valid and what is not? After all, if love is an intangible, metaphysical thing doesn't that go against your belief in anything that is intangible or metaphysical. Like God? Try explaining that love is a matter of actual chemicals and animal urges to your parents, spouse and kids on holidays and birthdays! Good luck!
I believe allowing polygamy or incest are NOT in the best interest of society in no way shape or form. Let me repeat that I DON'T advocate their legalization. NO, NO, NO (am I clear enough?) However, why should my view inhibit the rights of anyone?
Science flies us to the moon – religion flies us into buildings!
Kirk you are wearing a gold ring and God says no gold.
And Piers? Would you please let him talk without blatantly interrupting him so many times-it's really annoying when someone is trying to talk and they keep being interrupted. Thanks!
Yes, I am a Christian and I do believe in the word of GOD. I am very proud of Kirk Cameron for having the courage to express his beliefs when asked in a straight forward question. I agree with him and I know that there is a world full of people that put us Christians down for believing it. And I thank GOD for people like him that has the courage for saying it. We need to stand up in America and not sit back and take all the venom and hate that is spewed at us for believing the way we do. If you do not believe in what we do, then do not hate us for believing. We do not hate you for not believing.
Mimi, you are also merely a woman.
You are not allowed an opinion on this subject.
The bible commands you to shut up and do what men say.
Now get back in the kitchen where you belong and make me sandwich.
"I’ve been encouraged by the support of many friends (including gay friends, incidentally)," he says in his statement"
That's the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. Oh yeah, i wouldn't mind it if a friend of mine said I was unnatural and detrimental to society, in fact I would cheer him on!
Please Kirk, what next? You gonna sell freezers to eskimos?
yo derp, shut the heck up will ya? I'm trying to follow the troll battle on while you were working... so if you're going to troll go there... no one cares about kirk cameron... growing pains has been a long gone show, who cares what he says. we all know you worship the mandingo.
"we all know you worship the mandingo"
Your mom calls her anu s the mandingo?
I look forward to the day in the near future when Christian America gets it's way and stems the tide of the predominately Christian Latin American immigrants and the overwhelming percentages of youth raised in the church reject Christianity (like me) and Christians become a minority. Then we can turn the tables. We can start outlawing their practices. We can make it illegal for them to behave the way they want to. We can take away their health benefits if they engage in the missionary position. We can replace "In God We Trust" with "Science Makes Sense." We can take down the ten commandments every where and replace them with the code of Hamurabi... You get the picture.
How is this religious fanatic any different from a Jihadist? Ideals like this will be the end of the current organized religion in the United States. Wonder why the current generation is less religious than the last? Look at this guy and you have your answer.
derp! what are u talking about? Fear????? I have no fear!!! I have a relationship with God that freed me from all fear, freed me from all men religion. im not blind, i know we live in a deprave world...men using religion, politic,power,self superior, to promote their cause for wars...men that accuse others but refuse of looking in the mirror in case of seing the samething....self righteous!! Believe me when i say that Iam the most free christian women their is! not oppresse by men or religion or politic...I cant get any richer then that... life experience my friend???dont think u would have the energy to fallow me..lol
So you don't believe in the big scary lake of fire that rests just below the earth's surface?
"i say that Iam the most free christian women their is! not oppresse by men"
So you are saying that you do not defer to, and obey your man?
Then you are obviously not christian.
The bible is pretty clear on that one.
In fact, there are more bible passages that assert subjugation of women than there is against hom os exu ality.
So if you do not submit to your man, you are worse that a g ay person.
I know, it sounds crazy right. That's why people like me don't believe the myth.
Gays are the new Nazis...sorry but it's true. stop forcing your gay agenda down our throats...(gross) and get over yourselves...
"Gays are the new nazi's"
Lets see, Nazi's executed gays, jews, immigrants and atheists.
The only people they did not execute were white christians.
Maybe that is because Hitler was a flaming christian.
I agree, gays, along with athiests and pro-choicers ARE the new Nazis–for they want to abolish all that is good and moral. Their leader? BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA!
VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2012!!
atheist=no faith,no hope,distruction, meaning life is worth nothing or means nothing
Christian = live in fear everyday of some silly nonexistent flaming lake of eternity.
Atheist = able to enjoy the wonder of every single day without the absurd ancient shackles of an iron age Tinkerbell manual.
I have never, ever met a christian that has a richer life experience, has more meaning, or enjoys life as much as I do.
Free yourself from the oppressive chains of ancient myths and really learn to enjoy this life.
Derp, You are an intelligent individual who may or may not have been exposed to the fairy tale. I wish your words would reach the lost but sadly they only scare people who NEED to believe in the fairy tale. Glad to hear you live such a fulfilling life. It really does make a difference when you aren't waiting to go to some magical place when you die. Come on people!!! Life is now! Embrace every single moment. It will be gone in an instant one day...any day...no one even knows when their time or their loved ones time will be. We need to stop killin each other and fighting wars over the invisible man in the sky.
Well, as dumb, loud, and backwards as you guys are, it's pretty easy to make fun of you.
He looks like death in that photo.
Religion and Politics will never be usefull taken together.
In this country, free speech is the law.
Don't cut the guy down because of his different views, after all, you wouldn't want him doing the same to you.
Peoples private lives should be just that, PRIVATE.
Funny but if everybody was guay , noboby would be alive to talk about this!!! and if we were, that means our guay parents would have all cheated on one another in order for us to be here...talk about union????
There is a reason why interest in organized religion is waning dramatically.
I suspect it's at least in part due to the closed mindedness on these types of social issues. Most people support the rights of gays.
I also think its because we live in the "information age" and younger people can more easily learn for themselves and not rely on the spiritual beliefs of their parents. Everyone can decide for themselves.... and more and more people are deciding against organized religion.
It seems that "religion" has brought intolerance, hypocrisy and hatred to the world. I don't think that this was G-d's intention. How ironic.
"I think so called christianity is unnatural, that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."
This whole debate on religion is nonsense anyways. Our ancestors, thousands of years ago, looked into the sky and saw the "gods descending from the heavens". But in reality, they were nothing but space aliens who came before them and were thought of as gods.
If our ancestors had the scientific knowledge that we have today, then religion would probably not even exist. If aliens were to make contact today, it would be doubtful we would mistake them for gods.
So, the intolerance of people on either side of the debate is greatly unnecessary.
If the human race were to stop the nitpicking, and actually work together, there is nothing we cannot accomplish.
Yeah Kirk, speak the truth. I am happy you did not give the answer America wanted you to give like other Christians who have been on Piers Morgan's show. We as Christians know the truth and are confident in our belief. If you do not want a honest answer, do not ask a real Christian. Jesus and the Christain community are proud of you.
"We as Christians know the truth and are confident in our belief"
Then you know that god commands you to shut up and obey men.
Now be quiet and blow me. Then go make me a sandwich.
Way to go Kirk!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Shut your dumb traps,you and Kirk.
As a christian women you are commanded by the bible to be silent and obey men.
So shut the f&*k up, get your clothes off, and assume the position.
Oh, and I commend you to swallow.
Scientific fact is never an absolute truth. In fact, in the realm of science, the majority of things that people hold to be as facts are actually just considered "theories" due to the fact that they can be disproven at any time. Newton's own laws are a set of theories that, while the rules are generally well followed by most particles and mass.. There are no absolutes in science. The scientific method is the method by which people turn their observations and hypotheses into theories by disproving all other possibilities.It is culturally accepted nowadays that these theories of physics are facts, but realistically if they were to be disproven tomorrow many scientists would analyze it and see how either incorrect or correct the original theory was. There is always room for mistake. That being said no scientist you will ever meet will explicitly tell you that one certain mechanism is one hundred percent fail-proof correct. There are no true facts in science; just experiments repeated constantly with the same result happening thousands and thousands of times. More reference links: http://www.sciencebuddies.org dictionary.reference.com
I thought when they got rid of the charlie crack gang all of the story telling and book writing would have been over.It just let's me know that they're just using aliases,you guys need to do something Kirk wouldn't approve of get seriously laid,geeesh.
What the heII are you talking about? Did you have a break from reality or what? Trolling is not easy, is it?
This is the reason I will never step into a church again, these fanatics are crazy, judgemental asswholes.
Judgmental? Apparently his gay friends don't feel that way, nor do they feel that he spews hate-speech. He has spoken tactfully. I have a friend who is gay, but I don't agree with him. He knows and respects my feelings, and I respect his. It's just something we're never going to agree on.
"Apparently his gay friends don't feel that way"
Which one of his gay friends did you ask?
Or are you just parroting the BS that nitwit fundie Cameron is spewing?
Yeah, tolerance. Tolerate this, tolerate that! Tolerance kinda stops where God disagrees with the tolerance template, doesn't it. Tolerance then becomes "Tolerate everything, but the Christians, or anybody else who reads that Bible". Liberalism is hypocritical at it's core. It tolerates nothing. It just wants to assimilate you to it's own way of thinking, and starts a mean-girl cheerleader type hating campaign on those who don't play along. I don't play along. Hate me all you want.
You do realize that your silly collection of fables commands you to shut up and obey men.
I am a man. I command you to shut the f&*k up right now. So take off your shoes, get back in the kitchen, and make me a sandwich you stupid myth believing wench.
Although I don't support his view point on morality, he makes a great argument! We all have the responsibility and the right to debate our opinions on the issue openly, responsibly and respectfully (no matter the view point). If you respect one morsel about Kirk, it should be that he has always maintained the same stance. We should applaud him for following his due north instead of being 'a flip flopper'. I'd rather have a logical argument or debate with someone well versed and knowledgeable rather than someone who rides a bandwagon and entirely too impressionable. Like I said, I don't believe what he does but I can't fault him for stating what he did in a respectful and intellectual manner. I'm a liberal democrat, and I truly believe that if someone like Kirk Cameron ran for the Republican ticket; he'd have a better shot than any of the three candidates up for the RNC in September.
Although I compeletly disagree with him, I respect his opinion. It is a free country, let's live accordingly!
The problem is his opinion is based on mythical stories and ancient folk tales with magical beings flying around telling people how to behave. We live in a world dominated by scientific facts...his opinion is reall kind of delusional; we cannot make laws based on the Bible. That's it.
I once saw one of Cameron's religious tv shows in which he defended the idea that a person who works on the sabbath should be stoned to death. What else do you need to know about him? I heard about that banana thing too. So if bananas are proof of the existence of god, does a badly designed fruit or vegetable prove there is no god? Artichokes-explain them.
ok, im a christian and as for Kirk Cameron, He is a washed up has been, who is just trying to get another 15 mins in. Sad really...as for gay marriage.. doesnt everyone have the right to love who they want?? If my kids said mom, im gay. im totally cool with it ..who cares its 2012 !! i have many gay friends and they are the by far the sweetest most compassionate people ive ever had in my life. Kirk cameron needs to STFU , no one cares about him or his ignorant views.
Yea your a good christian. I cld tell when you told him to stfu. Hypocrite!
Theories are simply explanations for gathered data. If a theory is dis-proven, it is simply the explanation of that data that is disproven. Another explanation is then developed that more properly explain the evidence. All theories are based on tangible evidence. Theories change on the basis of the evidence. Religion certain doesn't come close to absolute fact because it can't be tested, therefore isn't considered scientific. Religions simply make assertions.
By the way, Cameron, congrats! You've now got the entire world of gay marriage supporters waiting for you to slip up.
Perhaps this was the PR you wanted, as the Growing Pains residuals have probably waned and you needed a stunt to put your mug on CNN. Good luck, player. If there is a god, I hope he's gay.
The "Bible" is a collection of Books, written by MEN. Supposedly inspired by "God". BUT, people often forget, especially Christians, that the Books were written Way, way AFTER those men died. That is the Old Testament. The NEW Testament, are "LETTERS". It is even STATED in several of PAUL'S LETTERS that HE is writing from HIS point, NOT God, Not Jesus' Point. BUT, HIS POINT. How then, does this equate to what "GOD" IS? Or what Jesus IS?
This is not the FIRST time K.C. has gotten into a controversial topic. He also did this with Wicca and claimed it was Devil Worshipping, when it is NOT. And here is a quote from K.C. "I think that it's unnatural, that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization." IF this is True, then he should develop his OWN clothing Line, develop His OWN FOOD LINE, Develop his Own Furniture Line and his own STUDIO, because there are Many Gay people who have contributed to how HE is living. How can he say the Gay lifestyle is what he said, when they have given so many ideas and other things to how we LIVE??? That really is spoken out of ignorance. For making that one statement, I would consider him ignorant of History and that he lives too much in a world that has become stagnated by old beliefs that no longer shared value in a world where NO ONE is Detrimental but those who believe as He does.
Another fact if not for heteros doing it and mass producing all these years there would be no gays doing it today
I am an atheist and have a marriage certificate that was handed to me 13 years ago when I was "legally married." Those who say that religion makes my union a marriage should know that I received this piece of paper without question, as did millions of others who don't believe in god or religion. So... permit me to pose a question to you anti-gay marriage specialists: you'll let me and my husband (two people who think god, Jesus and all of the myths of organized religion are dangerous and ridiculous) get married... but you will not let a couple of women or men who believe in your god (and, by the way, fill your coffers with cash) get legally married? How do you justify that nonsense?
Cameron spoke the true and the true hurts.....is all !
You are a kunt.
The bible commands you to be silent and obey men.
So shut up and blow me.
Then get me a beer.
Oh shut up, Kirk Cameron! I can't stand people like you! Love thy neighbor means everybody!
" Shut up. I dislike people like Kirk. Love your Neighbor." Such anger from those who don't have Kirk's courage. What a bunch of angry wimps.
A tyranny of tolerance here. Double standard. Believing in a power greater than ourselves is OPEN minded. Judging people who believe in God is narrow minded. Following the left wing media is so easy. Shame on free thinkers who have the courage to stand up for what they believe in spite of pop culture.
Oh please Short and sweet.....I don't know about the sweet part, but if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen....it's ppl like YOU who twist the truth!
Jesus: "Take care of the sick and poor, and do unto others as you would have done onto you."
Kirk: "Gotcha. Hate all gays."
Cameron's best friend is "Bon er" and he is best known for his work with a banana in his hand.
You're awesome. Thanks for bit@h slapping these idiots in the face.
This is all very funny. seriously people?
Freedom of speech: Yes, if we can express our opinion that gay marriage should be legal, then he should express his opinion (OPINION, not truth, OPINION) that he doesn't think he should. yes, it goes both ways.
however, there's something important that you're forgetting:
a. he is in the public eye, his opinion has more weight than the average joe and will influence others, so the argument "if you can claim your opinion, why can't he claim his", is only 90% accurate. he will influence a whole group of fans. that's why, when celebrities go around behaving less-than-stellarly, yes, for sure, freedom, they can do what they want, but its not true that its not affecting anyone else, it is!
b. if pier morgan asked the question its because he knows that the answer will be controverial either way, since its a hot button issue in our society. so everyone, please, stop getting "your knickers in a twist" (as they say in england) and move on.
There's a clear divide and eventually, one day, it will fall into the generally accepted facts with a few still holding out their archaic views. exemple: it is GENERALLY accepted that there is gender and race equality. 80% of western countries have put this into law. and yet there are still people who fundamentally don't agree. and because there is freedom of speech in this country, YES, they should be allowed to express how they feel. Doesn't mean we have to listen or agree. However, once you are a public figure, you should be careful HOW you word things and who you are influencing.
lets not forget..some of us would still like our children to be influenced this way....and also...do you tell ellen she should watch what she says because shes on the side you agree with?
"Picking and choosing to fit your needs... that's what real TOOLS do"
No, that's what christians do.
Based on that definition, you are a Christian. Congrats, you lose the internets.
"I'm rubber and your glue......"
Really, that is what you just sounded like.
3rd grade much.
You called someone a 3rd grader but your alias is derp. Sounds like a hypocrite to me.
I think all christians are idiots for believing in a supernatural mega wizard.
I think all churches should be burned to the ground and christians should be stripped of all rights and be sterilized so that they can't breed any more delusional freaks.
Thank you all for supporting my right to express my opinion and not be afraid to do so in the public square without fear of being called intolerant.
Really? You think so? So what does that make you? You are a true hypocrite who is ignorant and have NO love in your heart!! So stop being two-faced and learn something for a change!! P.S. you are not any better than anyone even Christians....since you don't believe in a God and think that there is no afterlife, I hope for YOUR sake you are right, because honestly, if I am right, I will be in heaven enjoying my eternity....how about you? When you die, I hope your theory of just being buried is true, because I don't think you would want to suffer even after your death....its your choice, but I choose the win-win NOT the win-lose!
"...and told from those who preach 'tolerance' that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square."
If you don't want people telling you you have to abide by their beliefs, guess what Kirk, you have to accept that others don't want you telling them that they have to abide by YOUR beliefs.
Remember – he was responding to a question. He was asked...and he gave his answer. As someone else wrote – if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question.
If a fat person doesn't want you to tell them that their jeans make their butt look big, they shouldn't be asking. In other words, if you don't want to hear the answer, then keep your mouth shut.
A silent and loving woman is a gift of the Lord; and there is nothing so much worth as a mind well instructed.
Follow your bible. Shut up and listen to whatever your husband instructs you to do.
Jesus does not like you being on the computer being all non submissive.
Funny how that's probably the only verse you "know." Picking and choosing to fit your needs... that's what real TOOLS do.
Ecclesiasticus??? Funny – showing off your intelligence there derp??
Shut up bi tch. You are supposed to be silent. Put a lid on it before I mack you around like the bible tells me to.
My God, there is someone out there not afraid to say how he feels.
Thankyou Kirk for standing up for your beliefs, and I agree with you one hundred percent.
Anna, the bible also commands you to be silent and obey men.
Now shut up and assume the position.
Then make me dinner, I'm kind of hungry.
I find it amazing and outrageous that Freedom of Speech is only alright with so many of you when you agree with what's being said. Many of us remain silent about our beliefs, unless and until someone asks us a direct question. If a direct question is asked and you don't like the answer received, the fault lies with the asker – not the answerer. Why is no one bashing Piers Morgan for asking the question? I applaud Mr. Kirk Cameron for stating his position so eloquently and articulately. I happen to agree with him, and I'm not alone. There is nothing anyone can say or do to change my beliefs. But, it's very interesting to me that the people I hear/read spewing hatred against someone for disagreeing with them and actually standing up for their religious convictions – are those in support of redefining "marriage." On this issue, I've only ever heard hatred coming from people who don't share my view. In my life experience, if you're the only one yelling and flinging insults in a debate – it means you're on the wrong (unwinnable) side and you know it.
If I could find a man like Kirk who stood firm in his beliefs and morals I would be the happiest woman alive. How many Hollywood actors (or actresses) are so faithful they refuse to do love scenes with people other than their spouse? A man that is not afraid to show his love for God. Now that's attractive. He and his wife are great people and seek to serve others through their charity. So what if he stood up for what he believes in? That's what we're supposed to do. People are just bashing him because it's not what they believe in. Way to go, Kirk! Keep up the awesome work. Wish more guys were like you!
My bible tells me that you are to shut up and be subjugated. Now turn off your computer and get back in the kitchen where you belong or I will beat you in the exact manner set forth in my bible as per my beliefs.
What, don't you want a man who stands by his beliefs anymore?
Only 15 or 20 years ago, a celebrity supporting gay marriage would be called out to defend their views. Why does Kirk have to defend his? Millions upon millions of Americans happen to agree with him.
Kirk's views are based on ignorance, that's why. This isn't his first rodeo. He and fellow fundiot Ray Comfort, for years told people that bananas being perfectly formed to fit the human hand, was proof that evolution was a lie and god was real. Apparently Kirk and Ray were unaware that every current banana is a result of human pushed evolution, and the original bananas bear little resemblance to current ones.
Kirk now claims that being gay isn't natural. Kirk, by virtue of choosing to be ignorant about science, does't have a clue about what is and isn't natural.
I completely agree! Today you can pretty much say you believe in anything EXCEPT Biblical truths and everyone will accept it...but, if it has to do with the Bible you better be ready to give an answer and know what you believe!
Phebe – I'm a bit curious about these biblical truths –
The very first verses in your bible claim that the earth was made before any stars. How can that be a biblical truth, when we know that the firt stars were formed 9,000,000,000 befoore the earth formed.
Your bible claims that vegetation appeared on land before the sun was formed. How can that be a biblical truth when we know that it is a lie?
Your bible claims that pi = 3.0 How can that be a biblical truth when even other tribes in the area at the time had it worked out to 22/7.
How come everything the bible claims as true, is in reality, a lie?
There you go again Prime, confusing facts with magic.
You are surely going to hell for not believing in the Tinkerbell manual.
People are dying and starving and being killed everyday. Drunk drivers are killing more people than ever and getting away with it. Why don't people and churches just concintrate on helping with the more concerniong issues at hand and just let people marry who they want to. "REALLY? thats a big factor in society today? talk about priority. Gay is not something you can catch. Its un natural to die your hair, but we do it everyday, and knowone says anything about that! just sayin/
Wait... I always thought he was gay. He's not...?
you sound like an a–hole!
You obviously have not read the bible. Turn off the computer, shut up, and get back in the kitchen before I whoop the crap out of you just like the bible tells me to.
Being a vietnam veteran, I was horribly offended by the insults and humiliation I received when I returned to the USA....however, because I fought and killed for this country, I never felt that people did not have a right to express themselves, no matter how they hated us vets back then. Everyone has a right to their opinion, even Kirk, whom I applaud. He told his beliefs and I dont feel he said anything that offended the gay community.
So, why dont you shut off your computer and get in the kitchen and shup up before I kick your ass.....however, the Bible did not tell me to do this...I just feel like kicking your ass.
"So, why dont you shut off your computer and get in the kitchen and shup up before I kick your ass.....however, the Bible did not tell me to do this...I just feel like kicking your ass"
Another internet tough guy.
If you are actually a Vietnam vet, you are too old to even dream about mixing it up with me. I'll give you a beat down the likes of which are described in the old testament.
"I dont feel he said anything that offended the gay community"
Really, he called them unnatural, detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.
You don't think they should find that offensive?
How stupid are you?
"in the garden between Adam and Eve" ... SERIOUSLY ?!?!?
Do grown up people really believe this fairy tale ? How crazy is that ?
This guy needs to get a grip on reality. This is the 21st century – not the dark ages.
Yes I believe. And when you die you will know it's the truth but unfortunately you won't be with them.
Huh? What does that mean? When people die they go to the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve? Oh Brother! You are Looney Tunes! LOL! :))
Oh yes, I believe...even in the 21st century. It's no fairy tale. We are not ignorant, nor are we ashamed to express our faith and beliefs. Among all of the posts, who is speaking in hate? Who is insulting everyone who dares to have a different opinion? Who is posting irrational emotional responses? Who is trying to "force" their opinion on others? Not the followers of Christ, friend, but rather those who reject Him.
fact no heteros mass producing no gays doing it now
the bible is for all ages, through out the years....it is not in the dark ages.
".it is not in the dark ages."
No, but it caused the dark ages.
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Tracey, your views are not only non-traditional they are non-Biblical. I guess anyone can say they're a Christian and then choose to live outside of those values. So, are they really Christians? I'm I Muslim because I say so, yet choose to live as a Buddhist? Of course not. You might think you're being Christlike by compromising a moral issue that is very clearly defined as being outside of God's will in the Bible and in creation. You can love gay, straight, bi people, in fact you're commanded to as a Christian. That doesn't mean you have to abide by sinful behavior.
She's not saying she is going to marry another woman. She's just saying she supports others living how they want to. I'm thankful we don't live in a religious theocracy.
See above. You just proved my point, Muslims are even against gay lifestyle. Non-Christians who agree with Kirk speak up. Spazz the cat.
ed: it is awfully pompous claiming to know that will of god
"See above. You just proved my point, Muslims are even against gay lifestyle"
Nice, you just placed yourself right alongside the Muslims.
Just as I have been saying all along. The only difference between christians and muslims is which silly book you chose use to justify your hatred.
Okay, I don't agree with him either, but he HAS A POINT when he states that he has his right to his views and opinion and we can't ask him to not answer a question honestly. Plain and simple. Freedom of speech is a two way street, so to speak.
He does have a right to state his beliefs. And we have a right to ridicule them
Religious beliefs, are simply unsupported opinions. Not all opinions can or should carry equal weight. For example – person 1 says chocolate ice cream is best. Person 2 says strawberry ice cream is best. These opinions carry equal weight.
Now, Person 1 says – "Gays are icky because my version of god says they are icky. And, gays choose to be gay. And, being gay is not natural. Person 2 says that human se.xual orientation is a biological multivariate based in genetics, hormonal baths in utero, neuronal plasticity, neuroanatomy, etc. Being born gay is natural, because hom.ose.xuality occurs throughout nature in 1500+ species.
These 2 opinions do not merit equal weight. One opinion, the first person, bases their opinion on ignorance. Person 2; however, has based their opinion on valid peer-reviewed science.
Kirk is free to believe what ever he wants. But when he seeks to insert his unsubstantiated religious opinion into our laws, we have a problem. And he has a history of doing exactly this – reference "bananas prove god is real so we should teach creationism in public schools."
"Person 2 says that human se.xual orientation is a biological multivariate based in genetics, hormonal baths in utero, neuronal plasticity, neuroanatomy, etc. Being born gay is natural, because hom.ose.xuality occurs throughout nature in 1500+ species"
Prime, there you go using all those big sciencey words again. Please do not try to confuse the religiots with big words that conflict with the obviously more believable talking snake, magic apple, superpowered sky fairy explanation.
Gay are bad because the tinkerbell manual says they are even though every remotely intelligent scientist believes that ho mo se xuality is a naturally occurring biological phenomenon.
Gays make the faithful feel icky. And the Tinkerbell book says that if it makes them feel icky, they have to kill it, f&*k it, or condemn it to hell.
Unsubstantiated? Did you know that over 23,000 different artifacts have been found (grave sites included) that prove the accuracy of the Bible? Whether you like it or not, Christian beliefs are substantiated. I would think trusting a book that has that many artifacts proving its accuracy is pretty reasonable. People trust books that have far fewer proofs than that.
Why is it that when people who have lost the intelectual argument and cannot compete in the arena of ideas they get personal? kirk should be able to express his opinion as well as others who oppose his views.those who call names on either side are just showing a lack of intellegence but those of us who agree with kirk and than proceed to call others names and insult them should be ashamed not only do we look bad but more important we make our beliefs look ignorant and worse our God look small,we need to rise above ,be steadfast in our beliefs and be prepared to be bold and proclaim the truth wrapped in love not hate nor name calling!
As a Christian woman, a supporter of legalizing gay marriage and a blogger it was only a matter of time before I had to put my somewhat unusual views on the table. http://climbingoutblog.com/plucking-splinters/ As you might imagine I'm taking some flack for my non-traditional way of looking at things, but I'm getting used to that. :)
Kirk Cameron, I applaud you. In our society as a Christian we are told to sit back and shut-up if we 'go against the grain'. So many Christians do just that and that in itself is denying Christ. We are told we are not tolerant but yet Christians are suppose to keep quiet when we are verbally persecuted. Our society is not tolerant of Christians because they are threatened. Society is afraid to deny themselves and their fleshly desires. I, as a Christian struggle with everything that any other person does, but thank God I have a hope and a future! You all can respond as negatively as you like, but I will be praying for and speaking blessings over you.
John 3:16 – 17
(16) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
(17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
" We are told we are not tolerant but yet Christians are suppose to keep quiet when we are verbally persecuted. Our society is not tolerant of Christians because they are threatened."
Christians claim that 90% of the US is Christian. You own the White House, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court. You own 50 governorships, 50 state legislatures and 50 state supreme courts.
Research show that the majority of you would never vote for an atheist.
40% of the adults are fundamentalists who think the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
And you have the unmitigated gall to claim you are persecuted.
Cry me a freaking river.
Any of those politicians can call themselves 'Christians', but if they do not stand up for, defend or present Biblical truths to the assembly...then I can't honestly say I believe they are a true Christian (Christ-like). You can disagree, that is your right and I do not judge your belief or opinion.
Well said. As Christians we are taught to be tolarant of others. Too bad others are not taught to have the same respect. I am tired of being told that I am ignorant for my beliefs. I am okay with the fact that others may not believe so why hate on christians. I have many friends who are gay. I respect them and like them for who they are as people. I do not have to agree with their choices to love them as a human beings or to help them , or show compassion when they are in need. That is what it means to be a Christian. I can love you no matter what your belief, I just don't have to agrre with it or accept that you are the majority. Speak up and out Christians!
Right, you love them but they just can't have the same rights as you. I get it.
We are not a theocracy. Whatever your version of a god, or any version of any god wants, needs, desires, or demands, is irrelevant. Your god, like every other god we've invented, has no standing in our laws.
Phebe: Yeah, you Christians are soooooo persecuted. What is it? 80 percent of the nation identifies themselves as Christian. And the remaining 20% are doing the persecuting? Cameron appears to be trying to deny people their rights as citizens. If you want have gays being unable to marry, take the licensing of marriage out of the hands of government . that way, government can can issue domestic partnership licenses to both straight and gay couples, and the churches can have their ceremonies (of course, the church ceremonies will have NO legal standing).
I I agree 100% with Kirk Cameron and shame on people slamming him for his beliefs!! I applaud him for staying true to what he believes in and for people to judge and say he hates gays,,that is not what he is saying at all! The bible states that marriage is between a man and a woman,,bottom line!! Our god sacrified his life and died on the cross for all of our sins....we need to live by gods word from the bible. Kirk Cameron,,you are a great man!!
The bible also states that a good wife is silent wife. So turn off the computer, shut the @#&* up, and get back in the kitchen where you belong before I beat the sh it out of you just like the bible tells me to.
It works both ways.
Didn't I already tell you that your place is in the kitchen. You are supposed to be silent. You allowed to comment here when I give you permission. Now knock it off before I beat the crap out of you like the bible tells me to.
I never realized a person's opinion could leave you so hurt in the back side. If you can't come back with a valid argument (like the insults you throw) you're better off turning the computer off, turning on your XBox 360, and playing some fighting/shooting games. Go on now, I'm sure your parents won't find out.
You are bordering on a bible sanctioned butt kicking.
What is it about silent that you don't understand.
And while you are at it, get your burqua back on.
People, why are you saying that Kirk's response is a "Christian" response. I'm sure Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and yes even some atheists also agree with the 'traditional' definition of one man/one woman definition of marriage. It's a MORAL response, not necessarily CHRISTIAN. JMJ.
"Kirk Cameron,,you are a great man!!"
Why? For expressing the thought that some people are less deserving or rights than others?
Kirk Cameron has absolutely nothing to apologize for. I salute him for standing up for values.
When did opening your yap and openly calling for legal discrimination become an admirable value?
We could easily call christians detrimental to civilization for their destructive views on the progression and accomplishments of science. And we would have nothing to apologize for due to the value of scientific advancement.
Im with you.. The man has courage that is lacking these days and has inspired many people.
Samantha, isn't "going around telling someone they have to change their mind because you dont like what they say" what Kirk Cameron is doing? He has a right to his opinion, why do his former costars not have a right to theirs?
Observer, Chris Colfer isn't calling someone else "detrimental to the foundations of society" with no facts to back up what he says.
Thank you Kirk Cameron for standing up for your beliefs. I too agree with you.
I think blacks are a far inferior race to whites and I should be allowed to keep them as slaves as set forth in the bible.
Thank you, I agree as well.
It's great to know that I am not the only one who thinks blacks are inferior. And I appreciate your support for my right to openly say that.
be ye as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove
jeff: why do you agree with kirk? do you feel that some people deserve less rights than others?
I think that Kirk did the right thing. He stood up for what he believes. I also applaud him for standing up in a world that is against the christian ways. Amen!!!!!!!!
If you are Chris Colfer talking all about his preferences in public, then it's somehow hip.
If you are Kirk, then somehow, you lose your right to free speech, and should be shipped off to re-education camp.
This is why we are a society in decline.
He didn't loose his right to free speech since....he said his opinion. No one prevented him from saying it. People commenting on his opinion is not prevented people from free speech. Plenty christians do this with gays or non-christians all the time. Stop acting like you're under attack when the same is done to you. A nazi could give their opinion and no one would prevent it. Doesn't mean he won't encounter flack because of it. Get over it.
While I dont agree with what he says, I do respect his opinion. And shame on Alan Thicke and everyone else wanting to compromise Kirk Camerons faith and beliefs! You cant go around telling someone they have to change their mind because you dont like what they say, I dont care who you are! It would be an awfully boring world if we all believed the same way.
So you are ok with the fact that I think women are inferior to me, and should not be allowed the same rights that I have.
After all, that is my opinion and I should be allowed to freely express that right?
Nw shut up and give me your voter ID card, and get back in the kitchen and make me a *&#@ing sammich bi tch.
Nice post jimmer.
Plus Samantha, in a recent poll, half of all republicans in Mississippi said that interracial marriage should be illegal. They base this on how they spin your bible. Is that a valid opinion?
My problem with religion is that it gets a free pass on its discriminatory ways, while at the same time being held up as some bright, shining beacon of all that is good and benevolent.
Religious people like Kirk Cameron spew their hateful beliefs (and yes they are hateful despite how you zealots want to try to claim this is just the way a Christian shows love) and then get defensive when people call them out on their bigotry and intolerance, claiming that their freedom of speech is being trampled on – in reality, nobody is saying you can't say what you believe, we're simply saying that what you believe is counter-productive to equality.
I guess what I'm saying is that religious people throw a fit when you question their beliefs because, sadly, religion is just automatically accepted as something that can't do any wrong – but when religious people attack others for not believing the same thing they do, they don't consider that wrong because in their minds they are trying to do something good.
It's a justification that conveniently allows the religious to believe they should be able to impose their beliefs on others, because theirs are good, while others should not be allowed to impose their beliefs on them, because the beliefs of others are bad.
Religion – the world's ultimate dividing force.
I applaud Kirk Cameron for not being afraid to stand up and say what he believes in.
I think women are too stupid to vote. We make a big mistake ever giving you that right. I think it is time we take that back from you. You should all just stay in the kitchen and keep quiet.
However, I do appreciate that you support my right to express my opinion.
THIS guy must be a dee-de-dee that is hard to understand, his stupid religion is a MYTH that actually supported ABORTION.
the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple!
the 1984 NIV footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, they belly to swell" meant: numbers 5:21 "or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness" to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.
'Ephraim, as I saw Tyre, is planted in a pleasant place; but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." Give them, O LORD - what wilt Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit; yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.'
the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it:
3.3.3 ATHEISM: A HISTORY OF GOD (Part 1)- Evid3nc3
2nd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism-AronRa
Prove that Jesus is imaginary in less than 5 minutes - GIIVideo
Christianity Exposed (Part II: Angry Magician in a Mountain) - JezusRa
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No the Bible does not support abortion. In both the "examples" you provide, the "abortion" in question is a miscarriage brought about by God's will as a punishment for sin. While medically it might be termed an "abortion" (Since miscarriages are considered spontaneous abortions), it is not morally the taking of a human life by another human being, which is the objection to abortion by members of the Christian faith.
So abortions are OK so long as god is performing them? I'm always amazed that your heads don't just pop off as you try to rationalize the nonsense necessary to swallow what the bible says as fact.
Actually there is more historical proof that Jesus Christ walked on earth than of Shakspere being real,also I would encourage you to read yhe case for Christ by Strobell,as opened minded as all here seem to be it would be good to put to the test side by side these points of view
and yet another ignorant Bible-thumper comes forth. sorry Kirk but you are as ignorant as ignorant gets. you let the Bible run your life and let yourself remain small minded, ignorant, and blinded by the Bible.
Your response is so sad and so typical. Kirk's answer to a question asked of him was excellent. He expresses himself in a fair, balanced and faith-based way and yet, you attack. Why? Because of your fear. He makes a very good point when he says that he should also be able to express his moral views on societal issues – in particular when he is asked directly about them – without being slandered, accused or expected to change his beliefs or remain silent. The value of his thoughts and opinions are equal to your own, as misguided as you appear to be. I applaud Kirk Cameron for stating so well what so many others of us believe on this issue. Well done, Mr. Cameron!
MJ, it stops being about faith when you start trying to make it a law that the rest of us have to follow.
" Why? Because of your fear"
So your magical sky wizard book of fables tells you that it is ok to openly discriminate against a group of people based on their biologically naturally occurring se xual orientation, yet it is somehow wrong when we call you on the abject stupidity of that position?
You jesustards would be funny if you weren't allowed to vote.
he doesn't know the human fetus is a parasite,and he wants to force women into reproductive slavery to keep them alive.
THIS IS SCIENCE:
FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body:
as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.
Sorry, jurby, but you are expressing an opinion just as Kirk Cameron is. Whether one or the other is right, well, only god knows (notice a lower case, not upper case "g"). The reality is that at least one aspect of what he said from a physical aspect is correct, whether you care to believe it or not. As to the other, merely wanting the same rights doesn't mean that a word what has had a particular meaning for a thousand years needs to be changed. While I am in agreement that people who want to have the recognition of their relationship in the law should be so protected, it doesn't make it a marriage, it is a civil union. Only a religion makes it a marriage.
Where do I start with you idiots.
"The reality is that at least one aspect of what he said from a physical aspect is correct, whether you care to believe it or not"
Tell me exactly what part of that nitwit Cameron's diatribe is "physically" accurate.
"it doesn't make it a marriage, it is a civil union. Only a religion makes it a marriage"
My atheist wife and I were married in a secular ceremony at the town hall where there was no inclusion of religion whatsoever. We were married buy a justice of the peace. We are both atheist, and have no religious affiliation.
What do you know, 22 years later we are still married.
So in your infinite wisdom would you care to explain how my wife and I managed to be married for 22 years devoid of any silly religious trappings if marriage is strictly a religious ceremony?
Oh, that's right I forgot, it's because marriage is NOT a religious ceremony, it is a legally binding contractual union that has absolutely nothing to do with religion.
@ Loren – the definition of marriage is not static. It changes over time and culture. What if I demand that we go back and use the definition of marriage used in Virginia in 1958? Is that fair? So from now on, I demand that only a white man and white woman can legally have a marriage.
Or, I want to roll the definition back to 1000 BCE. Then it will be between one man and 500 women, and a couple hundred ho.okers. You down with that?
Maybe we should roll it back to where the woman was nothing but property, and her father would marry her off to whoever would give him the most goats. Does that work for you?
Plus, civil unions are not the same. Heck, backwater ignorant states like Texas changed their const.itution to SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT ALLOWING GAY FOLKS TO HAVE CIVIL UNIONS
And let's say you and your lesbian partner get "civil unioned" in New Jersey and then your partner through in vitro, has a couple kids. 10 years later you go vacation in Texas. You are in a bad car wreck. Your partner is in critical condition. The Baptist hospital refuses to let you see her. Since you aren't the birth parent, the state comes in and takes away your kids. Your partner's parents, who never approved of being gay, now sue for custody of the kids after your partner dies – alone, scared, and in pain – because you are just "civil unioned", and in Texas, that's illegal.
How's that civil union working for you now?
That's funny... I don't see where he was trying to shove his beliefs down anyone's throat. He was expressing his personal view. Did he say, well all you people who are against Adam and Eve will go underground? No. Someone asked him for his opinion, and he gave it.
It's funny to see you athiests come out of the woodwork along with the religious freaks. An opinion is an opinion, deal with it.
Anyone that is a spiritual person and believes that the bible is our basic instructions before leaving earth know that God determined what is right and what is immoral and any who wants try and change God's Meaning will have to give an account for the abomination to his or soul. So for those of you that are trying to down Kirk because he is standing behind his prinicipals and beliefs. You should get the principles and beliefs that God has established.
surely, the prince of peace above all has created
I don[t understand why being not politically correct elicits so much anger. I did not read anything gay bashing in Kirks statement at all. He has simple bible based beliefs. Its apparently ok to belief whatever you want as long as it isn't in God or his word(the bible). Isn't that a bit hypocritical. If you believe in the bible, don't read it. If you don't believe in God, don't worship him. If you believe in gay marriage, so be it. Why all the venom!
@Atomic Office Drone; so it is OK to force your views on the rest of us with a law when your world view is not based on religious faith? After all, gay marriage is not about the relationship between two people; its about forcing companies, hospitals and organizations to view them as married.
@Primewonk; if you go back 1000 BC, I suspect you will find that marriage has a lot in common with today. The vast majority of men were married to one woman. Yes, there were some kings who had more than one wife.. but that is also still true today.
If I liked Kirk before, I love him now. He was very kind and explained his views-which I TOTALLY support-as honestly as he could. Kirk...my phone number is 978........
Zombie-if you think a fetus is a 'parasite', you still are. Remember YOU was once a zygote as well...every SINGLE HUMAN being who is reading your pathetic post was a 'parasite'. Why don't you crawl back into the womb.
You sound pretty ignorant as well. Jurby has fear alright...fear of ignorant backwards thinking people like yourself. But Cameron is correct. He has the right to express his morals and opinions...no matter how wrong and horribly misguided they are.
Thank you Kirk for sticking to your Christian beleifs even though sadly there are not the popular thing in todays society. It's time the majority of citizens stood up and spoke up for what they say they beleive in. A minority speaks up loudly to make their point that God should no longer be the center of our lives, while the majority who are the beleivers quietly sit back and ket it happen. So thank you Kirk, speak up, speak loud, adn we should all join in.
How can anyone believe in this bible stuff? I'd rather read Dr. Seuss.
Hate in the name of God is Satan's manna from heaven.
Still waiting for someone to explain to me why there are males and females and why there still hasn't been a gay gene idnetified. As far as the Hollywood crowd like Alan Thicke, Roseanne Barr, Nikki Sixx, and the rest: Glorify it all you want but gay is gay and I'm sure glad I don't live in your world of medication, botox, heroine, death from pills and booze that blind you from reality. Biblical references are one thing, but I just do not like gays. All gay men look at young boys as prey, and the behavior is sadistic. And the gays I've seen spend more time poking fun at normal people than the normal people do discrminating against the gays. Majority of people aren't gay. Get it?
Kirk Cameron spoke what he believed in. He did not say he was above anyone and admitted to sinning as much as anyone else. He told that idiot that interviewed him that he had his beliefs, morals, and standards just as he did. He is a Christian and he following his faith and beliefs. That idiot that interviewed him wants to make drama out of something to get his ratings up.
Just remember that eternity is a long time and YOU will all bow down to Jesus and be judged. (Watch what you say!) It's appointed for man once to die and then the Judgement (Hebrews)
OMG~He has his beliefs, you have yours. If you agree with him..good. If you don't agree with him..good. He has the right to express how he feels without being "ripped" by others..it's called his opinion. Everyone has one as the saying goes. Tolerance means that you let the other person believe they want, whether you agree with it or not.
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Could you please re-post and say "bible" one more time in that sentence? I have this thing for even numbers...
Your post reads like a five year old wrote it. Where did you get you moral compass?
Another fact if not for heteros doing it and mass producing all these years there would be no gays doing it now
Thanks, Kirk, for standing up for the principles and believes of the majority......your statements during this interview are right on!!!!!!
@ Anomic Office Drone – he wasn't trying to pass any laws. He was simply giving his opinion. I am sure that you have yours, and he has the right to his. He has been very respectful, honest, and he is not trying to change anyone else's opinion. It is a shame that there is such a double standard when it comes to things like this.
Kirk is not another ignorant Bible Thumper. He is speaking in what he believes in just like you. The Bible IS Life. The only ignorance here is the ignorance of the fear of truth.
I applaud Kirk for his candid response. It is interesting that those who preach tolerance are typically the most intolerant of other beliefs.
Marriage was historically based within a religious context. As such it's up to each religion to define what they accept and what they don't. Within the eyes of the Civil Authorities we all are operating within Civil Unions.
Cheer's to Cameron for speaking the truth in love.More people need to start speaking out against this wickedness.
Ok I had to speak up. Derp, the Bible isn't a book of fables as you called it. Please actually open it and read it. A lot of the things that are predicted in it, specifically Revelations, are starting to come to pass.
I do have a brother who is gay, but I don't support it either. I applaud Kirk for standing up for his beliefs.
If you could only see what God wants for us all. He wants a one on one relationship with us. The bible is his word. It has all the information we need to live a fruitfull life. He tells us also "If You Love Me You Will Keep All My Commandments". Kirk is putting God 1st which is what God wants us all to do. Have you ever heard of Soddom and Gomorrah? Read the chapter of Genisis. Don't forget Jurby The Wages of Sin is Death. Without Jesus you will face a White Throne judgement. Punishment will be severe, The Lake of Fire.
great answers from kirk cameron, spoken from a heart that you can tell is filled with love for God and people , its not Gods will that any perish but that we all receive the mercy and peace he freely offers through Jesus, thank you for being a good role model to the generations that are coming up ,
Kirk is living in the dark ages. I have a 28 year old son, a 46 year old brother in law and a 52 year old cousin who are all gay men. I am straight , my husband is straight and we did not raise our son to be gay. With that said, he was born gay and he is smart, funny, caring, loving and a great son and friend to many people. He would love to find a long time partner and get married and have children. I have spent over 40 years taking care of children and my son has enjoyed helping me take care of newborn babies, toddlers and preschool kids. They parents of these children love my son. We live in a new generation and we don't live back in the 1800's. People need to learn to be more loving and less judgmental and let people love who ever they want and not be criticized. I used to love Kirk Cameron on Growing Pains, but he has been brainwashed by the Church and I feel sorry for him, his wife and children. :(
Dear Kirk, I applaud you for your faith. After reading a few comments, it's easy to see where this world is going. Keep fighting the good fight. Just don't give up!!!!!!! One day will come and every knee will bow to Jesus Christ alone!
Dear Kirk, I applaud you for your faith. After reading a few comments, it's easy to see where this world is going. Keep fighting the good fight. Just don't give up!!!!!!! One day will come and every knee will bow to Jesus Christ alone!
Thank you for your servant heart.
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