Rush Limbaugh isn't the only one apologizing for inflammatory remarks made toward Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke.
Last week, actress Patricia Heaton unleashed a series of controversial tweets directed at Fluke after she spoke up in support of broad health care coverage that included contraception, but Heaton's since apologized.
According to the Los Angeles Times, "The Middle" actress posted (and has since removed) remarks such, "If every Tweaton [which is what she calls her followers] sent Georgetown Gal one condom, her parents wouldn't have to cancel basic cable, & she would never reproduce - sound good?"
Over the weekend, after catching up on the topic, Heaton offered a "mea culpa" via Twitter.
"We have diff opinions but I was too flippant in my attempt at humor...Tweatons: Finally heard all the commentary. I crossed the line w/@SandraFluke. Don't agree w/her views, but I was not showing Christ's love," she tweeted Saturday.
And to Fluke, she added, "Wasn't being respectful 2 u [with] my tweets as I hope people [would] b w/me. Don't like you being dissed -so sorry...I am not backing down on my position: but there is a better way to fight the fight."
She issued another on Monday, "I apologized to Ms Fluke last week. I may not agree with her views but I didn’t treat her with respect and I'm sorry. I was wrong. Mea Culpa."
Limbaugh's reaction to Fluke, which was to call her a "slut" and a "prostitute" for her position on health care, has negatively impacted his career - but Heaton's not concerned about hers.
"Not worried about my career – G-d gave it to me, He can take it away," she told her followers Saturday.
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There is a drugstore near GT Law where Sandra can get a month's worth of brth control pills for $9. If she goes to school for 9 months that makes $81. If she goes to GT Law for 3 years that's $243. When informed of this Sandra said that she did not know of it.
Just thought you might like to know.
Sandra – yours is the perfect last name. Do us all a big favor and DO NOT reproduce.
the ignorance of the human race . has no end.
G-d? What's the matter CNN you afraid to say GOD!
Of course she apologized. Not that she is sorry for anything. If she didn't apologize it would affect her career and/or her show. So she offers up a lame apology. I guess I have to add her to my list with OJ Simpson, Mel Gibson and now her. Sigh!
Patricia Heaton? The Middle? Won't be any backlash with your comments,
a) you're Hollywood and b) you're who?????
Patricia's boob implants have leaked into her blood stream and have clogged up her brain cells.
I am a virgin and I've been on birth control for 4 years for medical reasons. If I don't take it, I become extremely anemic and pass out all over the place, and the hormonal changes exacerbated an anxiety disorder. Because I take birth control, I can safely give blood...those 2-3 units of blood per year by themselves helps to offset the cost of that prescription, never mind all the additional antianxiety meds I'd have to pay for otherwise. Just throwing that out there.
Thank you Kelly! :)
Go to any Walmart on the first of the month and you would gladly give up 10% of your income to support pregnancy prevention.
She's just an actress; I don't think she's ever been accused of having a brain.
This woman is loathsome.
Heaton said "I was not showing Christ's love". Yeah she was. That is what Christians do – hate anyone and anything that goes counter to their imagined sense of superiority and morality.
Wow, I had no idea. This totally ruins "Raymond" reruns for me!
You know what ruins "Raymond" reruns for me? The fact that the show sucks.
What ruins it for me is that the family is supposed to be Italian but they whine like Jews.
I'm confussed. I pay for health care whether or not I use any or part of any service. Should I be upset with others who use health care for cancer treatment, diabitis,etc. I have neather of these ailments. If someone uses more health care services than I, shouldn't I be happy? It's an indication that my health is fine. I thank God for that and my heart reaches out for those less fortunate. what say you?
Ray Romano and the rest of Hollywood is regretting the day he ever hired Heaton to play his TV-wife. Fyi Mrs. Heaton...G-d won't take away your career; your psychotic ultra-right wing big mouth with do it all on its own. Keep it up, wacko...
I am also the mother of four including a girl. Hopefully, you have all boys. Your comments were cruel and hurtful! All I can say is shame on you for being so mean spirited. Have some plastic surgery on your mouth to keep it shut for a long time. No longer a fan. Your shows are off limits.
Shut up, Deborah Romano!
"but I was not showing Christ's love"
Ya think? Just another mean, nasty Christian showing what a fraud Christianity is.
Exactly. Christians are a bunch of smug, sanctimonious hypocrites who tell people not to judge others but think that the bible says that they (Christians) are allowed to judge anyone they want to because as Christians they are "saints". What a repulsive religion.
Folks, let's deal with reality. I would rather pay for contraceptives than to pay for someone's child BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER. Children cost a boat load of money. We the taxpayer subsidize children from the time they are born. From public school, public assistance, prison, special needs etc.. etc.. we the taxpayer pay for it. We should be BEGGING women and men to use birth control.
Ms. Heaton is being high and mighty about what God has given her, and what God can take away from her. He gave her a brain; it was up to HER to learn how to develop it. He gave her a tendency to do a particular craft; it was up to HER to hone those skills. God gave her life; He can take that away from her -everything else is up to her. She is the one who can THROW AWAY HER CAREER. God gave each of us a brain -how we use ours is up to us. For me...I can find other actresses who express their opinions without the gutteral references to Rush.
For all you Tea-Bagger's who think Rush L. is the next coming and want to continue to villify Fluke, look at your sanctimonious positions this way...I don't think that insurance or Medicare should reimburse prescription drug costs for a bunch of fatso's who gobble down high fat foods...so, no more Lipitor, no more heart or high blood pressure meds...most of those ailments are caused by lifestyle choices...and the cost behind those drugs are far greater than the pill...
I won't watch anything she's in any longer. I am stunned that a woman would make the comments she did. And her apology is too late.
Perhaps she can console herself with another full body lift and facial stapling to make her appear SOOOOO realistically young!
Heaton....you are such a downer! I have to pay for viagra; you have to pay for women's health. Plus you are very wooden as an actress....hasn't your use of contraceptives aided you in your career? I KNOW you slept your way up. And you probably (contraceptive costs) deducted it from your taxes.
she is on your side genius...but she did have the brain cells to figure out what was really going on...as opposed to you.
And.....you know...she slept her way to the top? Please...your post is clear eveidence of what you "know"
Here's a thought. I can just be a disagreement. Then we could discuss these things like adults and fashion compromises. we don't have to "fight the fight."
Most republicans think its a bailout issue...or they are loosing their freedom...how can you have a rational discussion with people incapable of recognizing what the issue even is.........The only way to fight such ignorance is to vote against it every chance you get...local to national...straight d
I don't really give a you-know-what what this talent-less has been says. She wasn't funny on Raymond, she hasn't had a career since it went off the air (How are the ratings on the new show?) and she has all the class of Rush. Really, she doesn't even have Rush's sense of humor.
How long are we going to maintain the charade that all of this anti-contraception talk is anything but religious fanaticism? They always make up secular-sounding reasons for it, and everyone is too polite to notice that they all just HAPPEN to be religious.
Religious people have become experts at crafting dishonest secular-sounding justifications for opinions which are actually shaped by their beliefs.
Maybe Ms. Fluke should scrap her Law School studies and pose semi-nude like Ms. Heaton did to earn her money to pay for her health care. Where does a women with so many pic of her posing in her undies out there get off tweeting about a women in Law School speaking out about a friend who couldn't afford the medication she needed to treat a cyst on her ovary?!?!
Too late. We're no longer watching The Middle in our house. We tried to overlook her involvement, but couldn't. Call us myopic if you must.
That's the problem with conservatives on a bully pulpit...they think God is the one who will decide whether or not to kill their career over something they said. In their mind, they've rationalized their opinion as square with the almighty, so they just run their mouths and say the most asinine things. However, they soon realize that the American public, not God, decides fate in this country. Apologies and graveling and hilarity ensue.
It's sad that Ms. Heaton expressed herself as she did. I'm doing my to show my support to Ms. Fluke the only way I can. I didn't watch The Middle last night, nor will I in the future, and I was an avid The Middle viewer.
women who oppose women rights are not actually women they just dont need any contraception for them, they cant use condom too.
I guess people don't know how to apologize any more. Seems there are conditions with these so called apologies. Rush says his choice of words were bad, that is NOT an apology and this apology from Heaton isn't any better.
Ms. Fluke, I personally am extremely sorry people like this haven't learned a thing in life and that you were verbally attacked by such. I am sorry for people like these two who obviously don't have enough respect for themselves therefor can't show it to others. I am sorry you were hurt like this, you don't deserve it. You just keep moving forward young lady and remember, you are strong and we need women like you. Happy International Women's Day to you.
We should all thank Twitter for giving a public voice to people we don't really want to hear from.
Putting Heaton in the same category as Mel Gibson, and Tom Cruise now. Won't spend my time or money to watch them in anything, big screen or small.
Funny how religion and/or religion-based opinion was the undoing of each of these...
so what the heck !! sick of all this apologising nonsense !. whats wrong with the tweet ?.
You can pay for birth control or you can pay another woman on welfare with a unplanned, unwanted child running the streets doing drugs and robbing the rest of us for drug money.
Which is cheaper in the long run?
"Which is cheaper in the long run?"
I think I will go with "people being responsible for themselves/their actions and not being able to force others to pay for their non-essential medical care"
@Greg – I would completely agree with you if I didn't work in the inner city and see these low level breeders up close and personal. They have NO personal responsibility, impulse control or common sense, AT ALL. So waiting for them to take responsibility is never going to happen. Even free-of-charge self-administered birth control is iffy as they are probably too stupid to take it with any regularity. And it's also a conflict of interest for them...babies = paychecks...so they really have no incentive to take the birth control. It's disgusting.
I think that I agree with your underlying sentiment, but the choice you offer is not actually a choice we have. First, the issue here is about mandating that private insurance companies provide contraceptive products to any woman covered under any of their insurance policies. I doubt that the population that you (and Debby, more descriptively) are referring to have a job (you did say 'on welfare') and are receiving medical coverage through an employer insurance program and the chances are nil that they have gone out and purchased a medical insurance policy and are paying their own premiums (as some of us actually do). The group you refer to likely receives medical care through Medicaid, which, as I understand, already provides contraception - free to them along with everything else.
There is only a tangential connection in that what you and Debby describe is the consequence of earlier government over involvement and meddling in areas that should have remained primarily personal responsibility. The basic origins of what you describe were in LBJ's Great Society and War on Poverty Programs. These programs were supposed to obviously lift people out of poverty. They probably did help in a few cases where the person probably would have had the incentive to do it on his/her own anyway, but they also created an incentive for poorer (and there may be other more accurate adjectives) women to become nothing more than baby factories. Incidentally, while waiting at a bus stop several years ago I heard one young teen say to another: "Tanya is so lucky because she is pregnant again and will get another $170 a month". That is the mindset that has been created by these programs. So, point one, however many contraceptives you throw out (and again, I think they are already available and free anyway), the folks you are referring to are not going to take them until the baby factory incentives are removed. And, point two, when government czars start mandating and usurping both choices and responsibilities that should remain with the individual they often create a bigger mess than was there before.
Allow coverage for medical disorders or diseases. No coverage for pregnancy prevention, unless pregnancy would cause mother's death. Monitor, reduce future coverage, and fine for fraudulent claims.
Ms. Fluke attempted to equate pregnancy prevention, pregnancy being a possible consequence of personal behavior, with a medical condition, polycystic ovarian syndrome, in her argument to have taxpayers foot the bill for contraceptives.
Miss Heaton is a bully. How wouild she like it if someone went after her sons just because they had the courage to stand up for their convictions. I hope God does take away her career. We'll all be better off.
I don't know what the conservatives are so upset about. Better access to women's health support, fewer medical emergencies down the road that the public (or insurance companies) have to pay for. In addition, more universal access to contraception means FEWER ABORTIONS, fewer children born to families who can't afford them (so they won't be supported by welfare), and therefore less overall medical & social costs. This is a win, people! Don't be a Puritan, worried that somewhere somebody is having a good time. This takes out far more evils in the eyes of conservatives than it creates.
I have no objection to people who want to use contraception doing so, or those who want abortions doing so. Control over one's own body is one of the most basic rights. My objection is the government trying to mandate through law what insurance plans can and can not cover. This is not any of the government's business – its up to the insurance provider to decide what a plan is to cover, and up to the public to decide if it is a worthy plan to enroll in and pay for.
who the hell is patricia heaton?
I wish i could get that popular by ignoring basic english skills
Sure she's not concerned for her career. Yeah, right. It's probably the only reason the dried up old prune even halfway apologized. Too bad her parents didn't practice birth control.
Bob – you're such a waste of our precious air. Too bad your mom didn't get free, taxpayers sponsored contraceptive pills. ...or maybe even a free, taxpayer sponsored abortion. We wouldn't have to read your nonsensical diatribes.
+1 Bob, LOL
I think the main point is that medical care/mediations that do not cross some line into "necessity" should not be required to be covered in health insurance plans. Any time the coverage of something is added to an insurance plan, the costs of it are indeed spread out to other people – so yes, other people then in part pay for something for other people. This is the point of insurance coverage. So, if contraception gets added to what is covered, then everyone shares the cost of it, if they use it or not. So where do we draw the line of necessity? Is it reasonable to demand that all health insurance plans cover cosmetic surgery? And perhaps artificial tanning?
First, reproductive contraception is a luxury, not a medical necessity. If someone has a legitimate medical need for a medication to treat a condition that they have no control over, then that is not a luxury. If the only benefit of a medication is to allow one to engage in optional behavior, and there is are no adverse medical conditions that arise from abstaining, then, yes, it is a luxury.
Second, the principle of separation of church and state needs to be obeyed. No organization or person should ever get different treatment – or have to follow different rules – due to their religious affiliation, or lack thereof. So, churches should not get special treatment in any health care laws.
Third, make it illegal for any organization to require anyone to have health insurance, or any variant of it. Georgetown University has no business demanding their students have health insurance. Then, those student who want plans that cover conception can go get such plans instead of the one that the University offers.
The simplest solution to both of the above, in my opinion, is just not require health insurance plans (regardless of who offers them) to cover luxury items. Define "luxury" along the lines of what I suggested above. Want an plan that covers a luxury item? Fine – go find one and enroll in it.
Your point regarding the cost of these pills eventually costing the taxpayers money is totally ridiculous, as it would be much less expensive than paying for the birth of a child (which usually ends up in C-section surgery). I would think that most pregnancies were UNPLANNED, and may have been prevented had BC been used. Can you imagine the money the tax payers will save if they don't have to pay for women's C-sections?? (Partially said in jest)
Your point about contraception possibly saving an insurance program (and hence people paying for the plan – not taxpayers) money by reducing unplanned pregnancies might be reasonable, had you cited any data to back it up.
So, it sounds more like a random, unsubstantiated guess.
If your point is correct, it is a good rational to use to try to convince an insurance provider to cover the cost of contraception. I suspect even if this is true for some subgroup of our population (by geographic region, occupation, age group, etc) it is probably not true for the participants of every health insurance plan. So then it would be not be a reasonable argument for some – if not all – insurance policies. However, even then it still would not be a good reason for the government to mandate all insurance plans everywhere cover this particular luxury item.
As I said before, if someone requires a medication (perhaps one normally used for contraception) to treat an unavoidable, harmful medical condition, then I do not consider that case to be a "luxury", and it should not be treated as such.
I now hate Raymond. Disgusting.
I will never watch another thing Patricia Heaton is in.
Have mercy on all of you! I have read the posts and have concluded this is not about any particular subject; it is a name calling, politically based, bully session. Democrats think Republicans are 4 horrible r’s; Republicans think Democrats are, well I didn’t see any “d’s” but would guess the horrid thoughts are there. Why can we not be AMERICAN’S first? Why must we roll in the gutter with the name calling and bullying? People, this is what you are teaching your children (for those that have them); is there any wonder bullying is at epidemic proportions in this country?
Patricia Heaton was one of the greats. She will be missed.
Patricia – why did you apologize? I don't get it, you spoke the truth and used humor, why does everything have to be so PC nowadays??
I'm born and raised in Sweden (but have lived in the States for a while) and I've never heard of "free" contraceptives even though our system over there is pretty "liberal". I think there are exceptions but in general it's not "free". (it's never really "free" but that's a different subject)
We pay a heavy price for it, in taxes but even more in quality of the care. The doctors are good but waiting lines can be daunting, my mom's brain tumor was operated on almost 10 months after they diagnosed her. She's ok now but lost lots of functions, including some memory loss because the tumor had spread more by the time they operated.
I'm not a fan of Obama-care but think our current system should be improved. However to demand free contraceptives is just ludicrous!!!
What's next? Free viagra for men? How about free KY? I mean we can't leave out the lubricant-chalanged folks, can we? What about free tampons? It's your "right", isn't it? Did our founding fathers screw up the declaration of independence? Did they mean to say "..."Life, liberty and the pursuit of dryness"? when drafting the United States Declaration of Independence? Is "pursuit" the same as a guarantee? A right? This "what can the government do for me" mentality is killing our country. Shameful times indeed.
Good points and well-said.
Not "free", but "covered". A big difference. "Covered" implies that you may get a PPO discount, you may have to pay a co-pay, you may have to pay all of it, but it will offset your deductible. "Covered" like your antibiotics. And I have been on BCs one time in my life, for a medical condition. Thankfully, they were "covered".
you libs crack me up. when pro-abortion became unpopular you changed to pro-choice when global warming became unpopular it became climate change when it became unpopular to be a liberal you became progressives. You are critical because Patricia speaks the truth when you libs hide behind pc
Oh, the INSURANCE companies would pay for it. And who pays the premium? In the case we are talking about, THE CHURCH, which is a First Amendment violation. Why are democrats so damned stupid? Why can't you pay for your own fun? Why are you ALWAYS looking to get someone else to pay for your stuff?
Did you ever think for a moment that the insurance companies would gladly pay for birth control because it would be MUCH LESS expensive and risky than the birth of a child? Seriously!
Not to mention who cares what Patricia Heaton thinks. Besides she looks way stoned in that picture, get some eye drops girlfriend.
Everybody's missing the point. Ms Fluke was testifying about a friend of her's going broke because she needs MEDICATION for OVARIAN CYSTS. Not because she wants to sleep her way through college. geez. Not only that, but freely available contraception REDUCES OVERALL HEALTHCARE COSTS BY KEEPING US FROM PAYING FOR MATERNITY AND POST PARTUM CARE FOR UNWANTED OFFSPRING, REDUCING OUR PREMIUMS. Get it?
Hey ICONCLAST – here's what's really going to keep us from paying for maternity and post partum care for 'unwanted' offspring. Heck, this will keep us from paying for a lot of things we have to pay for. It's definitely NOT free birth control though. Nope, that's not it at all.
It's something very simple – unless apparently if you're a Liberal because for some reason, for Liberals it seems really hard to grasp. Perhaps it's because it's an abstract concept but most likely it's because they were never raised with it or maybe they were but they don't think everyone is cabable of it. I don't know.
Oddly, it is one of the rare things that truly is free but, ironically, no matter how much of it someone has or how eager they may be to share, it cannot be given away. In fact, you also cannot steal it but, again ironic, those who most need it usually don't want it even though it would change their lives for the better. Do you know what it is? I hope you have it, here it goes. Pay attention! It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Get it?
Think about it, the people we keep having to pay for are people who are irresponsible. They are the people who think of their offspring as 'unwanted' when it was their own actions that created the offspring in the first place. These people have no idea what it means to be responsible and they know nothing of consequences.
For example: you do realize it's possible to get pregnant even on birth control, right? But, guess what, the chances of that happening are even greater when you're an irresponsible person. Why? because even if you get free birth control, you still have to be responsible enough to take it. You have to be responsible enough to use it correctly and you have to have enough sense to know you could do everything right and still have an unplanned pregnancy anyway.
Those who believe in abortion are going to be even less likely to worry about the potential consequences because they feel they have an out if it happens. When you do not believe in killing babies, guess what – you take responsibility in your actions and think about these things LONG before pregnancy ever becomes an issue.
RESPONSIBILITY! It does not mean you get a free ride and can avoid all the potential problems irresponsible people face but what happens when these things do occur, you learn from them and if you really are a responsible person, you act accordingly. You make whatever changes are necessary to take on the responsibility of paying your bills, raising your children, whatever it is you need to do. Irresponsible people never learn so things keep happening to them and each and every time something does happen, they look for a quick way out. They look for a way to blame others and to dump their problems onto someone else (anyone else). They run away and fall right into their next problem and the cycle continues and we, like total idiots, keep rewarding their bad behavior which reinforces their irresponsibility.
That's what has to stop. One way to make it stop is to get rid of our Enabler-in-Chief President. He just makes the problem worse. We need to stop rewarding people for the bad decisions they make that lead them to the problems they face. We all have problems but responsible people do all they can and never stop moving forward. Irresponsible people give up and drag everyone down with them.
Why isn't everyone up in arms over the fact that viagra and other "unnecessary" prescription medications are covered under insurance??
Rachel – ...because its a lie! Most insurance companies do not cover ED pills (Viagra, etc). The ones that do make you pay almost 95% of the actual price.
What we are talking about here is TOTALLY FREE. IF women get the pills for free then yes, Viagra, etc should be free too, but it isn't!
The day all those pills become free our country will default but nobody cares as long as you can say "I got it for free!"
Why do stars think anyone cares what they think?
What is wrong with you Patricia. Your comments are more absurd than Limb-ah.Have been still drinking like you did on Raymond episodes. You were a party girl, now what happended, everything went SOUTH!!!!
Ms. Fluke was there to discuss contraception in the context of alternative medical treatments, the reason a high percentage of women use them. Most insurance companies cover contraception and have for a very long time. If you're a "let's go back to the fifties" Republican, like Ms. Heaton, ask yourself: Is this the fight you really want to wage this year? If so, I'll see you at the next Obama Inaugural Ball.
Well said. You are exactly right.
i guess they can kill off her character and have a step-mom fill her role NICE!!!!
why is that that so many instiutions shold be involved in a personally controllable situation. a young lady pulled her freudian panties down and the rest of the usa howled in unison. fluke embarrassed herself like few people do and she will regret every stupid thing she said publicly ten years from now when she has kids. try to explain it to your kids eventually, or will they be "proud of you" anyways for such is an american habit to have no shame about nothing.
You are a moron. Did you even bother to watch the hearing where she spoke before you said that ridiculous statement?
Exactly how did she embarass herself? Just curious. Did you even listen, or was her testimony too far above your comprehension for you to understand? But then, what else should we expect from someone who uses the phrase "...pulled her Freudian panties down...". This argument isn't about enforced birth control, it's about women being able to get access to birth control through their insurance company, which it currently is. Unfortunately, the existing plans allow certain employers to choose packages that don't cover contraception, and that is what they are trying to change.
Rush & Patricia fighting for our Liberty. Keep it up. Don't let PC stop you
Heaton, what type of contraceptive are u using. Please get real. U r full of yourself, and u should be fired.
Patricia Heaton doesn't need to apologize. Most of us have known for years that she's a right wing extremist. Nothing new here.
The fact that so many people do not understand that there is a medical difference between hormonal medication and a condom is extremely alarming. That's like comparing antibiotics to latex gloves. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. Women use birth control for many things besides preventing pregnancy, preventing cancer and treating infertility among them. Anyone who is not aware of this has just outed him/herself as an ignorant fool who didn't bother to read up on the issue before spouting off the hate. As for whining about women "paying for it themselves," where would you like to draw the line? Should we cancel ALL prescription benefits? Or just the benefits that some Christian extremists think are undesirable? Personally, I'd be happy to foot the bill for birth control if all you Republicans would agree to foot the bill for Cialis and Viagra. While we're at it, let's have the anti-birth control folks pay all the costs for pregnancies and diseases that could have been prevented with a daily pill...you know, anemia, endometriosis, ovarian cysts and cancer, prenatal care, delivery, post-partum everything, and so on. I guarantee that those of us footing the bill for BCPs will get the better end of the deal. Too bad we can't actually crack this deal because when you pay for insurance you don't get to earmark where you'd like your dollars to go. Shame. I don't want to be paying for someone's Viagra.
Well said. There are a lot of uninformed folks on this blog. Obviously, religion speaks for them, instead of the facts. Do a little research you uniformed & ignorant people before you spout off.
Masha – interesting you use nickname of a dog in Russian but never mind, women who use contraceptives due to hormonal imbalances are a tiny, tiny minority and the grand scheme of things. You're inventing " facts" to boost your "government should do this and do that" ideology.
Most women use contraceptives for one reason only – to not get pregnant. Whether you use a pill or a condom you shouldn't expect the taxpayer to foot the bill. Only a fool or a sobaka would claim otherwise.
Allow coverage for a medical condition but not for pregnancy coverage. Monitor for fraudulent medical claims.
Ms. Heaton – I was until very recently an enormous fan of yours. You were really terrific as "Deborah Barone" in "Everybody Loves Raymond", and you weren't too shabby on "The Middle"...but having read some of your really nasty tweets directed at Ms. Fluke (and despite your attempt at career-saving apologies), I can't help but now feel that you are an insensitive bully. Enjoying re-runs of "Raymond" is no longer an option for me. Real damn shame.
Way to go Patricia, Honesty always offends the libs. The reality is Fluke is an Extreme Radical. The interesting thing is when the Dems. are done using her what happens to her. And that day will come before nov
Heavens, another Hollywood has-been with an axe to grind. Odd, that a woman who should know better would jump to the hypocritical rightwing. But that's her Condom to bear.
I sometimes wish I wasn't an atheist, so I could then pray to God to smite them both for their stupidity.
Beachgirl90. Try understanding how things work before trashing someone. If insurance companies have to cover contraceptives then premiums will increase and yes you will pay for it.
Take it out of the 10 Million $ that the CEOof United Health Care took home last year for doing nothing.
Um, NO. This was spun by Rush and the Tea Party types as coming from the "taxpayers" pockets. Not "anyone who is a policyholder of insurance company X." After being caught DEAD WRONG, suddenly it becomes "well, indirectly this means we are paying if we have that insurance."
Well, when you have an insurance policy, your premiums already pay for other people's expenses. That's how it works. You don't get to complain about John Doe's cancer treatments which he brought upon himself by eating mercury.
Second, when an insurer covers contraception, IT SHOULD LOWER PREMIUMS, because it LOWERS HEALTH COSTS. More contraception, less insurance claims for pregnancy related medical costs, childbirth related medical costs, and child related medical costs. You're trading a pittance of contraception for huge $$$ in medical costs.
I am rather bothered by the fact that people make these comments and then issue an apology. If you said it, obviously you meant it, so why the apology? You have every right to express your opinion, even if it is inflammatory to others. You shouldn't have to apologize to others for your beliefs or remarks. People need to quit being so effin sensitive.
i was eating lunch at work, studio lot, and she happened to sit in front of me. i was sitting there first. when our eyes met, she told me i needed to look the other way or move to another location since she is talent and i can't "acknowledge" her. she is mean. i don't even like her or watch any of her shows. she is just a mean spirited person.
Come on Lauren come clean. You made that story up. It's not good to be dishonest
the right wing 'christians' would be more than happy to be funding this if they only knew that free contraception would severely cut down hundreds of thousands of teenage pregnancies especially in the inner city black community.
Which you do prefer? spending $500 to give free contraception to these girls now or $500 thousand to support a criminal ghetto leech on society all the way till he is 18? then spend another $ 1 million to pay for his lifetime incarceration after he is found guilty of raping, murdering of assaulting your family?
That's the last time I watch one of her shows. And it's a shame, too–to see that kind of social conservatism out of her. Ugh.
As a black ghetto female I'm too poor to afford birth control by myself so I'll just keep popping off babies and let all you muthas support me and my 12 ghetto children! my sis who is 27 already have 8 children now.
See, if patricia heaton hadnt said something ugly and hateful toward someone i would never have know who she was. She must be sarah palins first cousin.
Donald how about you. Does'nt Patricia have a great body. And i love Sarah Palin. Sarah for Prez
All I know is that even though she has apologized, she still shares the same beliefs that Rush does so in the end, I will no longer be watching "The Middle".
I've been reading these posts and it is just amazing how abusive people can be with the anonymity of the internet.
Both the Liberals and the Conservatives have their wackjobs...and they take turns spewing crazy out into the world. Does that mean that we have to join on the bandwagon?
Fact - if everyone is required to get medical insurance the cost will go up for everyone.
Fact - if everyone is not required to get medical insurance those without insurance will continue to use the ER as their Doctor and the cost for those of us with insurance will go us and those without insurance will continue the cycle.
Fact - every new medication adds to our insurance cost, regardless what it is for.
Fact - Liberals and Conservatives will always disagrees on most everything just because that's what they do!
And yes, my real name is Lynne
who cares what your name is. But you have to agree Patricia has a great body
It actually isn't a fact that every new medication adds to our healthcare cost.
Premiums do not go up if more people use contraception. They'd actually go down ... the cost of delivering one healthy baby would cover the cost of those pills for years. The cost of a sick baby would be infinitely more.
@Yes - if you read my post I made a comment about people being abusive due to anonymity - hence I added my name so I wasn't a nameless random poster with a made up message board name...get my drift? Yes or No?
@Think People - Pharmaceutical companies spend $$$$$$$ on a new pill, they charge $$$$$ to recoup their costs, our pharmacies charge our insurance $$$$$$ for the medication and you think our insurance costs aren't going to be impacted? Really? REALLY???????
So disappointed in her. Would be disappointed in any woman that spews that hate. Seriously, Patricia? Don't be a hater.
"Not worried about my career – G-d gave it to me, He can take it away"
The only G-d you need to worry about is the G-d of liberal progressive outrage, you right-wing witch!
Patricia who? Oh yeah! A one-shot wonder trying to recapture a couple of minutes of fame on someone else's coattails. She needs a new publicist.
you libs are so funny when anti-abortion becomes unpopular you become pro-choice, when global warming becomes unpopular it becomes climate change, when being a liberal becomes unpopular you become progressive. Now when Fluke becomes unpopular does she become Puke
"you libs are so funny when anti-abortion becomes unpopular you become pro-choice"
Take a few minutes and try to make sense of what you just wrote.
Thanks JC. your right i meant pro-abortion becomes unpopular you become pro-choice. But you know what i meant. Are you not one of those
Speaking of popularity – slavery was once popular.
So based on your logic you would have to say that once pro-slavery became unpopular those people simply became conservatives.
Q S iT'S a fact when libs don't have a good answer they revert to thier favorite hate speech word RACIST
firebird, You are so correct about the religion and morality thing, it is fine to believe in religion, but keep your beliefs to oneself and do not impose your beliefs on others. All issues in life should be separate from religion for no one sees religion in the same sense. Every indivudual interprets the higher power and the book in a different concept and those whom do not believe in God, or the Bible God, are having all this crammed down there throats as either an outcast or this is the way it is, crap... This whole world is being torn apart by religion and RELIGION is suppose to be PEACE, LOVE , Go Figure....
Just glad I am on my way out and not on my way in... THANK GOD FOR THAT.
I am so tired of these Millionaires mouthing off – of course, they can afford to talk. These poeple are not living in Reality like most of us working people. They have no idea what someone us have to go through to put food on our tables, paying bills, and put roof over our heads. Shut up Patrcia, Rush, Palin and that goes for all those liberal celebrities like George Clooney, Alec Baldwin, etc. I am sick of all of you!
She should also be apologizing for her stupid comments about her kids only being able to do on-line schooling. got news for Ms. Heaton, online schooling is harder than in person.
Insurance companies have always limited women's health issues in their coverages vs men... Many do not provide prenatal services, many do not provide for post natal services, some only allow 24 hrs for birthing, some do not provide vitamins, pap smears, mammograms, etc. The thing that really bothers me is Rush's statements about Ms Fluke, is this is a medication for many... not just a birth control pill, it provides hormonal therapy, treats endometriosis and a vast range of other problems, excessive bleeding, regularity, I could go on and on. I would really love to ask Mr Rush, if his insurance pays for his Viagra, and his pills of drug choice for his addictions.. I am betting that they were covered and although we know he is a druggie. I wonder how many blue pills men have received on insurance vs how many birth control/ hormone pill have been covered... This world will never be equal for women as long as men are involved in decision making...
Well said. Personally I'd rather not focus on the "medical" issues even though they are totally valid. Women are the ones who get pregnant. Women have the right to affordable access to birth control to not get pregnant. Keep "morality" out of it. We all have to pay for things we don't agree with on the "moral" spectrum. If I had my way I would have chosen to not contribute my tax dollars to Bush's war but the government would not allow me to do that. So you people, religious or otherwise, should not have the right to not pay for birth control for women when it is clearly a women's health issue whether it's to prevent preganancies or for other medical reasons. Can you imagine going to a hospital because you needed a blood transfusion and you wound up with a doctor who is a Christian Scientist (they don't believe in blood transfusions). Can you imagine hearing that doctor say "sorry, it's against my religion" ? This country has gone stark raving mad with religion and "morality." It's enough to turn one into an atheist.
Whatever, Ms. Heaton, whatever. Your words were cruel and nasty, and for someone who considers herself a "christian," well, yeah, right. Whatever.
Letterman considers himself a good family man, and loving father, and a gentleman, yet he viciously and nastily attacked at 13-year-old girl. As Willow Palin how decent Letterman is. Obama considers himself a good Christian yet he says anyone who doesn't agree with him is a redneck hick who clings to their god and guns and an antipathy for anyone who isn't "like" them ... VERY CHRISTLIKE. Yeah, whatever...
Once again Heaton judges and lashes out at people. She is a big mouth self, absorbed, narcissist. Can't unring this bell Heaton.....Heat is On YOU! Keep your piehole SHUT for once!
Funny how it's always the blatant racists (ABM), who always try to play the race card. Sick little sissy.
You forgot fascist. Dupe.
And stop projecting.
ABM – go slink back under your rock, little pee-yellow sissy.
Bwahaha. Bait, line, sinker. Sissy? Isn't that misogynistic language? A moron of monumental proportion. Took all of 5 minutes to betray your liberal love and peace and goodwill. 5 minutes to reveal your ugly violent threats. 5 minutes to prove you can't debate facts and can't handle a diff viewpoint. Are you in an OWS drum circle right now? Raped anyone yet today? Defecated on a cop car yet today? Back to your tent and bong, Donkey. Dont' worry, Obama will save you...
@ Donkey party & ABM –
Do you both realize how childish and ridiculous you both sound? Any points either of you may actually have are rendered pointless with your silly insults and bickering in the name of your parties. This is a large part of what is wrong with the American Government today. People are so stuck on fighting for their party lines that they miss the entire point of what they are fighting for in the first place. Shame on you both.
Let's just get something straight. The government isn't paying for your health insurance (Medicare/Medicaid excepted) and certainly not for contraceptives. They are just mandating that insurance companies have to have it included as a basic service in their plans. Who pays for this ? You do for yourself. You don't pay for mine nor do I pay for yours. Health insurance plan benefits are part of employment compensation – like salary. And like all insurance services they are designed to manage risk in LARGE groups. The larger the group, the easier it is to predict ON AVERAGE what actual expenses will be. That allows the insurance companies to make a profit and you get charged a reasonable premium for protection against catastrophic illnesses and medical care.
So the only question is – would an insurance companies costs go (and hence your premiums) go up, down or stay the same under the rule changes ? Answer: Go down or at worst be revenue neutral. The extra costs for prescription contraceptives is balanced by the reduced costs of less unwanted pregnancies (and lower abortion rates). And in indirect costs too – like a lifetime of government social programs (i.e. your taxes) to support kids whose parents weren't ready/able to adequately take care of them themselves.
This is a win-win-win rule change. Good for you, good for the insurance companies and good for government policies (both on the left and the right).
And Rush Limbaugh and Patricia Heaton are still both clueless.
You are 100% correct. Well, stated. So right wingers, do you get it yet?
Bill Maher is on HBO, a pay channel. Big difference than broadcasting on public radio, but you right-wingers are too insanely ignorant to understand that.
Letterman's not. He attacked 13-year-old girl, private citizen. You probably laughed. What's your excuse for him - I'm sure you have dozens. All empty, hollow, superficial, meaningless, lame, irrational, hypocritical. IOW, the usual drivel...
@ABM: Letterman told one off-color joke about Sarah Palin's daughter Willow, for which he apologized profusely the following night (and to which Palin responded by insinuating that Letterman was a child molester.) Rush Limbaugh, on the other hand, devoted THREE DAYS to attacking Sandra Fluke and assassinating her character, and only issued his so-called "apology" when advertisers began deserting his program in droves. And let's not pretend that Rush himself is any stranger to attacking teenagers - perhaps you remember the day when, on his ill-fated television show, he flashed a picture of 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton during a discussion about the "White House dog"? Or more recently, when he likened the 13-year-old son of one of Herman Cain accuser's to a Nazi brownshirt?
Personal attacks upon children are old hat for Mr. Limbaugh. Your selective outrage is duly noted, however.
And Neo-Cons are so blinded and biased by theology. Intolerant hypocrites.
When will people realize that the coverage is not going to be for things like condoms. It's for prescription birth control. Andi that type of birth control is used a lot for treating other issues because of the hormones in the medicine. I think it should only be covered by the insurance company if the doctor prescribes it for something that is NOT really for preventing pregnancy, but for more serious medical problems that it can treat.
I pay through the NOSE for my health care at work....If I need birth
control, they better cover it.
Take away contraception, and those who agree can raise 500k unwanted
babies each year.
ABM – then you're an even bigger fool than what Pliny gave you credit for.
Why? Because I don't comply with your plantation rules for my ethnicity? Racist. I don't give an F what you or Pliny think about me. I do know you're an intolerant bigot, an intellectually dishonest hypocrite, and an arrogant prig. Go back to your emperor worship - you know, the ONE who bows to Saudi Kings and Chinese Premeirs, fails on campaign promises, kills innocent women and children with predator drones, alienates everyone who doesn't kiss his half-white tuckus, and insults all our key allies. His days in office are numbered, you know it, and so you divert from the real issues plaquing this country. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Donkey.
You really got angry here, but I can assure you, you did not get any smarter. Take a break from apoplectic nonsense and become a good citizen...a patriot even. The whole fuss is nothting but a politcal sham that Heaton bought into. I wondered how long it would take that one to start up.
Reggie: not angry, just talking back to bullies like Donkey, I know Libs aren't used to reciprocation. Too bad. Refute anything I said. All facts. Obama has failed to keep promises. Won't lie down anymore. Get used to it. Fire with fire. Sick and tired of being called racist. Libs always make excuses for their own crude blowhards. That's what's so stupid. If it's wrong, it's wrong. Letterman, wrong. Maher, wrong. Rush, wrong. Be honest and fair for a change. That's all. DP wants a fight, they've got one.
Since I don’t have a job/health insurance – I want all of you and gov to pay for my contraception. And if I get pregnant – I want you to pay the bill.
Well, we're gonna pay for whatever prison they wind up in anyway... cheaper to take care of it now.
To Michael Schmitt @ 11:56am – Hey Schmitthead, if you (like your knuckle-dragging right-winger counterparts) are referring to what Bill Maher called Palin, first,he was absolutely spot on in his description of her, she's the most hate-filled excuse for a woman in politics, and second, he's on HBO, a pay channel, not broadcasting over the open airwaves like that fat POS Limbaugh. Big difference, moron.
In addition... no democratic politician is gonna lose sleep if Maher offers scathing criticism or low brow joke at their expense. However, if Rush trashes them, republican politicans are expected to have themselves publicly flogged on the capitol steps in penance.
Always an excuse, always a rationalization, always a justification. The quintessence of 2b-standards, duplicity, dishonesty, intolerance, hate, bigotry, prejudice, arrogance, conceit, etc, etc. etc. What a tool.
I have a question for you republican/conservative/christian/facist/freaks.
"How does it feel to be on the wrong side of every single issue in the universe?"
In your moment of clarity...when you drop all the BS that you spew....and you see yourself, and the world for what it is....how does it make you feel when you realize that your position on EVERYTHING is just wrong?
Do you feel ashamed about your stance on: guns, abortions, church-n-state, rich-n-poor, taxes, social-welfare, Ronnie Rayguns, George "The Boy Prez" Bush...and on and on and on....
We all know that you are nothing more than old, frightened, white-people. Do you ever realize that yourself? Do you look at history and realize that you are dinosaurs (yes..we know you don't believe in evolution)?
So please...go back to listening to Rush, and pretending that you have a grasp on reality. Just keep on doing and fearing what your corporate-masters and wall-street-one-percenters tell you to do and fear. And don't forget to vote against your own economic self-interest. Because that's what you people do. You ignore reality because you fear it.
I'm not white. You Emperor Obama got more Wall Street $$$ in '08 than McCain. Get a clue, tool.
Generalize much Pliny?
I talked to dad, you know, "God," and he doesn't like Patricia Heaton any more. He thinks she demonstrated that she's a lousy Christian and will indeed be taking away her career.
Miss Heaton should pay attention to her own business. But, I wouldn't expect any less from a 'bible thumper'
Tweatons? Her followers? I'm certain she is a very important person in her own mind.
LOVE your comment......dang wish i woulda said it !
The issue is whether insurance should pay for contraception for women. It does not pay for condoms for men, so I am not outraged that it does not pay for birth control pills for women. Insurance also does not generally pay for lots of other health related items (It can't pay for everything). That being said, there is no reason for personal attacks on thoughtful young women like Ms. Fluke. Can't we have a debate without resorting to screaming epithets at one another?
@Jannerl - Insurance does pay for vasectomies and Viagra. And no one bats and eye. Need I say more?
Was I out the day when we all agreed that freedom of speech didn't exist anymore? Seriously. Rush is a jerk but the way he has been attacked is ridiculous. In one of her comments, Fluke said that what he said about her was outside the bounds of 'acceptable discourse.'
Let's think about that phrase – 'acceptable discourse' – what does that mean? It means that she (and evidently many others) feels that there is discourse that is considered unacceptable. When did we all agree that we have freedom of speech as long as it doesn't offend anyone or make them feel bad? And spare me the argument of "he is funded by the government' or 'he works for a private company and it is the right of his advertisers to abandon him' – these arguments are pointless. The fact remains that our society has managed to stifle free speech all by itself with no help from the government. We are all such pansies now that a couple of bad words just freak us out and send us all running around squawking like chickens.
Well put. Freedom of speech must me absolute. That being said- it doesn't mean people don't have the right to get upset or angry when ignorant and slanderous comments are made. You still have to deal with the consequences of whatever you say.
Devon- you are an ignorant neanderthal. I bet your mother was a prost itute and gave free massages to hobos. Oh wait- see? If I can just yell whatever random asinine comment I like, I could damage your reputation, which you can sue for.
I am heartbroken...I loved Patricia Heaton...what hateful, stupid thoughts. I am stunned. Goodbye Frankie...
Hateful? Ever heard Letterman and Maher? Libs are so blinded and biased by ideology. Intolerant hypocrites.
ABM- you assume that the people here listen to the personalities you mentioned. That may not be the case. Not everyone who thinks differently than you listens to the same entertainment. Stop assuming and generalizing.
The liberal hypocrisy on this is amazing. Their commentators have used the exact same language and worse in attacking Conservative women and that was acceptable as part of "free speech". Now they are angry that the same words are used on them, they don't like it. Too bad, you started it.
There is a tremendous difference between being a public figure such as Palin or Bachmann Vs. a private citizen testifying before Congress such as Fluke did. There are measures in place to screen the mail and packages received by political figures that Sandra Fluke does not have and Heaton actually called for people to send her condoms in the mail. What if they send worse than that?
This is sad and very disappointing. Why do television starts think that anyone really cares what they think? She's an actress and not even a very good one at that. I may never watch anything with her in it again!
This whole argument is STOOPID, if a woman chooses not to have children, it is her decision no one else's. Everyone screams about the welfare cost, allow access to birth control education, to both men and women, control the cost of paying for unwanted children.
Did ANY of Fluke's critics actually LISTEN to her testimony? She discussed MEDICAL reasons for needing birth control pills. Condoms DO NOT remedy the physical problem. For Patricia Heaton to sound off without checking the facts is just plain sad. I've lost a lot of respect for her. Patricia, do yourself a favor. Go back and actually listen to the testimony or read the transcript. Then get on your pedestal and speak.
I'll just file her name away in the corner of my mind reserved for NASCAR drivers, country singers, Tim Tebow, Kirk Cameron, and other assorted right wing D-list morons.
Very disappointed in Patricia Heaton. As a woman she should know better. What horrible things for her to say. Stick to acting. It's OK to have an opinion. But it's not OK to use celebrity to utter trash.
You mean like Letterman and Maher...?
She is going to need that birth control if I get a hold of her. She's hot.
I really wanted to like EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND. The single thing keeping me from liking it was Patricia Heaton. She was shrill, nasty, combative, whiny and (the time I managed to watch some of the shows) never funny. Seems she was type-cast.
She's clearly a very nasty piece of work.
Not that I was ever a fan of that show... but isn't that good acting? Like, when a character can make you so upset?
Would this even be an issue if this were about a mail contraceptive pill. All of the men who have never been pregnant in lives, or needed the pills for other health reasons, would not be sounding off. Never like P Heaton to begin with. Can't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
patty heaton is an idiot. She has five sons .... I imagine she may feel differently if she had five daughters.
There is one thing perfectly clear from this article, Patricia Heaton thinks way too highly of herself. As if anyone cares or can be influenced by what an actress thinks on subjects like this.
great idea! stop paying for birth control, so we can pay 1000% more for food stamps, WIC and cancer! As long as we are paying for VIAGRA we need to cover birth control.
Patricia Heaton you are just an un-informed idiot who suffers from diarrhea of the hand and mouth. Shame on you, I pray that if you have daughters and sisters they may never need contraceptive for health reasons. Oh I forgot you are rich and can afford insurance. Save your money you are going to need it; especially for long term care.
"Don't agree w/her views, but I was not showing Christ's love"
That's because all of you phony christians are bunch of hateful moronic gasbags.
You are all bees.
That new show she's in sucks. I tried to watch an episode a while back and couldn't get through it.
Care to measure the public's stupidity on this issue? The proposal that President Obama made about birth control being covered by an employer or an insurer, is already the LAW in 28 states, signed into law by MANY Republican Governors, including candidates like Romney, and "heathens" like Mike Huckabee. This is a totally manufactured non-issue by the right-wing. Shame on any idiot that believes or supports them, cause you're part of the problem.
You are absolutely correct. This is a totally manufactured issue drummed up by the gop to attack women's health issues. I find it funny how truly uniformed the American people are. Pay attention to politics people. This is your lives they are trying to take over. The gop talks about how they want less government intruding in your lives. This is truly government intrusion. My question to you right wingers, how has Obama care ruined your lives. I'm an insurance administer with our company. We still have the same coverage. The policy cost never changed. It has saved me money, due to the fact insurance covers preventive care now. It allows your children to stay on your policy until the age of 26. So keep b!tching about Obama Care, if you have insurance, it has saved you money, not cost you more.
The surprising thing for me is why does anyone care what this woman thinks. Her credentilals seem to be nothing more than being an actress on a long defunct sit com.
So what was the credentials for soliciting before Congress for a fraud ?
I really hate twitter.
they do rip you off, don't they
I'm not sure how this turned to religion/mythology... But I caught a negative comment toward Athiests. Why? Catholics tend to have ten kids.. No contraceptive... Maybe 'god' should have used one. Save this whole convo from taking this turn.
their not Catholics, their methodists and such .
Why haven't any of these wacko right wing nuts taken up the fight against insurance covering vasectomies and Cialis? The right wing has far too much in common with the Taliban that it's scary.
How insurance for breakfast, lunch and Dinner .
Totally agree with you. They're both too stubborn to ever realize it though, but at least it gives the rest of us something to laugh at.
My turds float in the toliet
Patricia, slow down on the plastic surgery and get current on your issues. Me thinks that if you had 4 daughters you would want them to have the option of birth control coverage, whether it was for medical purposes or to prevent pregnancy. PS. I won't be watching your shows anymore. Lastly, The Middle is an insult to anybody with an IQ over 37.
So liberals want the govt. to stay out of their bedrooms and wombs, but yet they want the govt. to provide contraception......?
One more time just for you, the government does not pay for contraception. You have a medical provider, which is not through the federal government, either provided by your employer, which you pay premiums, or you personally buy it on your own. In either case, you have prescription drug coverage. Birth control is a prescription drug, just like viagra. This is about whether you pay a co-pay, or not, just like if you were getting allergy medicine. Does that make it clearer for you?
@ Ian: you sir, are not very bright.
Ian - so people don't categorize you as stupid at worst, uninformed at best, you should probably know the facts first.
It's not about the government covering birth control. It's about insurance, which covers IVF and Viagara.
CNN, would it kill you to do your job once in a while and sort out lies from facts? The fact that Rush completely made up, out of thin air, the claim that Fluke was testifying about her own contraception, would be appropriate here. Fluke was testifying about how some of her classmates need the Pill for non-contraceptive medical conditions, conditions that have to go untreated because they can't afford the medicine. The interesting part about Heaton isn't whether she's afraid her career has suffered, it's that she bought into Rush's slander and got burned for it.
This is garbage news who cares
Not surprised. Shed a d-list celebrity, and another pretend Christian. It's sickening how anyone who shares these people thoughts can say they are Christians. An insult to the almighty.
I don't agree or disagree with either side or the issue, I think rush was way out of line, and anyone like me with a daughter should be angry with how he runs his mouth.
I was wondering WHY Patricia Heaton was dissing that woman about contraception.. then.. Oh. Religion. yeah.
Where is my comment?!
yea this site is run by keaton
wow people actually listen to rush. This country is so sad!
What's even sadder, is that they believe everything that pompous azz spouts.
She is off my list of watchables. Unbelievable. I now "vote" with my $$, and people like Heaton won't get my $$; so advertisers, read FB and other comments and find out how much we don't like what your Middle-gal has to say. Way over the top.
Rush has ovarian ....uh anal cysts! that kept that chickenhawk out of the military he gets his viagra and oxucontin illegally and got caught with pills and underage dominican boys wheres the outrage?
Ms.Fluke has a right to her opinion. The Catholic Church has a right to practice their religion without being forced to violate their most important principles. The issues are not the mocking and slanders now withdrawn with apologies but freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.
Women have every right to use birth control pills and they have every right to pay for them. They are cheap.
You do realize the 98% of all Catholics use birth control. Isn't the church, in effect, discriminating against them for denying their right to prescription drug coverage? I realize that the Catholic Church would love to populate the world, but not all Catholics agree.
SO I assume you were against insurance covering Viagra, right?
Cheap? You apparently haven't priced them. No one is forcing Catholics or anyone else to take contraceptives. This is already law in 28 states, 8 of which do not allow for religious exemption. The Republican party's mouthpiece, Rush, stirred up all this controversy to put up a smoke screen to take the focus off the thin line up in the primary. I really miss the sane Republicans like Huntsman, etc.
II think the Catholic Church would rather violate little boys! Patricia Heaton was very mean spirited in her comments – she could have stated her opinion without the nasty comments directed at Ms. Fluke. And she calls herself a Christian?? I'll pass on watching anything with Heaton ever again.
Oh Patricia you put your foot in your mouth!who are you to give comments about this woman? so you are with this pig Limbaugh ha !Than ks goodnes I never ,or will wtach your not so good shows! it not matter this pig insulted a woam not matter who she is ,he forgot he come from a woman (unfortunally)
Heaton, you're a moron.
@Tigg- you said it wonderfully! i cant stand when people open their big mouths without even brushing up on the issue! also @clarify-you are a little off, God doesnt mind contraception of the body, but God does mind contraception of the soul. as for ms patty heathen, with her tummy tucks & lack of bellybutton, she is one to talk about contraception! very conceited and ignorant remarks, and dont bring God into your conceited opinions please.
if we tax payers have to pay for these politicians pensions and there heathcare why shouldn't woman and every citizen get healthcare
My poop has an odd taste.
This shore should buy her own BC . No one ever bought me condoms.
Where are all the Christians when you need them?
Has anyone tried to flip da script?
I just flipped it. You won't like what's on the other side of da script!
Oh, by the way I boned this chic without a condom
Wait, this actress actually calls her followed by her last name?
I believe that God is Family. Father, son and comforter (holy spirit ) is the very image of a family unit. The mother in the family unit is the comforter to the child, birth, breastfeeding, caring especially as an infant. In a marriage, two become one and a child being born continues the existence of the human family, a minimum of three. By treating God's gift as a selfish act it is damaging your soul as any selfish act would. It is control, understanding, patience essentially unselfish love which we should all strive. Birth control is a selfish act in the understanding of artificially preventing pregnancy. In only this respect, as I understand, God please forgive them because they do not know. They Hurt their own souls and do not understand the precious gifts of life and how we treat it so selfishly.
Geeze, bang that bible. I know this good little Catholic girl. She just gave birth to her 8th kid. Children are a blessing. They are more of a blessing if you can afford to care for them, and give them stability. Having kids for the sake of the church is just plain crazy. Does it pay your bills for you? I don't hardly think so. People use family planning for just that reason. Responsible people usually want to be able to give their kids love, stability, and be financially able to care for them. That' why we have family planning, so we can control just a little bit of our lives without government or church interference! I"m sorry, your ways are a little too archaic for modern society.
I've known far too many young people believe this stuff, have kids because 'God will provide', and then rely on food stamps for a decade or more. They can't afford the families they are encouraged to start. It becomes too much of a burden of time and money to try and get training and an education. They fall behind. Most divorce. Clarify's way of thinking is beyond wrong. It's crazy.
Never knew Ms. Heaton was such a loose cannon. Too bad, because I liked her. LIKED her, as in past tense. It's one thing to share your opinions. Everyone has opinions, but taking advantage of one's fame to be nasty towards others is unsavory.
Coming from one christian to another let me say this. The word tells us to judge OURSELVES so that our heavenly father will not have to judge us. The word also tells us to first remove the smote from thine own eye before you try to remove it from thy neighbors eye. When one of the disciples asked Christ which of the commandments were the greatest He replied; "to love our father God with all thy mind, heart and soul is the first commandment" and the second......."To love thy neighbor as thyself." I am in the process of reading the bible for the third time, because I don't want to just read it but practice what it says and to be truly the salt of the earth, which is what God said we (Christians) are suppose to be.
READ YOUR BIBLES CAREFULLY! There is NOTHING in the word that teaches christian to go out and persecute, condemn, hate, degrade or JUDGE others. His message was one of peace. He said that when you go into a city to spread the word "if they receive you not, dust the dirt from your shoes as you exit". He basically meant to "keep it pushing". He also said "IF ANY OF YOU BE WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE". He want's us to be righteous not self-righteous, and my friend there is a BIG difference.
Get it right so called christians because what you are doing by judging others is NOT of God. Love, not hate. Peace, not war. Come down from your self-righteous horses and look within, clean up your own houses before you try to clean up someone elses. Get in the word and pray for: wisdom, temperance, love, long-suffering, humility, charity, patience and forgiveness. It has taken me all of my christian life to learn this and I'm still a sinner and a work in progress.....God bless!
I'm not a religious person, but I agree with what you said. Worry about your own "house", and let others take care of theirs. Live & let live.
I love your post. I am in no way a religious person, mostly because of all those people you talk about that are "talking the word of God." That is why I have decided to stay away from 'most' of those fake people who 'try to clean your house' before they have 'cleaned their own.' I stopped believing when I did something very wrong to try and justify my right. I may not believe in his, her, their, etc. God/s, I believe in being a good 'person', one who does not judge, one who does not hate, and one who does everything possible to love and understand.
Keep thinking how you think, because I have learned from 'you' that not all religious people are nuts and want to control this world. Keep up the good fight!
As an atheist, let me say that it's people like you that remind me that Christianity can be a good thing in the right hands.
Yes!!! Amen to that!!! (And I'm not even a Christian!)
The BiBle doesn't say that. What Bible says that ?
the first is I am the lord thy God thou shall have no gods before me
the second is thy shall not take the lords name in vain
the third is thou shall keep the lords day Holy –
The First Three of the ten pertains ro the Holy Spirit
the to man
The first three pertain to the Holy Spirit
the other seven to man .
you people keep messing up my posts ?
Wow, @TL.....how'd you get so smart? You get it! Why don't all those conservative religious right folks? Thank you for showing them what our religion is supposed to be about. Thank you most sincerely.
I won't watch abc for a month as a result. Act. I do not care about your limited opinion on world matters. Makes me sick seeing her face now.
I agree with you. It's easy for a rich person to tell the middle class or lower class how we should behave. Money is not an issue with them. When we are struggling on a daily basis, anything that helps us pay the bills is a welcome benefit. I solely pay for my insurance, not the government. I resent the fact that I can't get a little help with this script, but a man can get viagra. I have lost all respect for her, & will not watch anything she is involved with.
I love all the left and right nutjobs that crawl out of the woodwork to bash each other, but neither side has suggested anything to make our country better in a very long time. Keep it up, it is the extreme loudmouths on both sides that are making it impossible to accomplish anything.
Read a short sample of the comment and I would say that most of you are complete selfish idiots!
Where is the love?
Keep Republicans out of office, and put Christians back in thier church,
and the rest of us will be just fine.
A word of advice; At least get the facts before spouting out insulting rants.
Here are the facts:
1) The government does NOT pay for the cost of birth control, or health care benefits, nor was this the issue Ms. Fluke was raising, so stop making the ridiculous argument about "YOU" having to pay for something.
2) Prescription coverage is covered by employers and employees contribution, as well as employees co-pay. It is apart of every employees health care plan. Let me say this again for those of you who obviously have never worked, or worked for a company with health benefits......The Government Does Not Pay For employer sponsored Health Care Benefit Plans! ! !
3)What Ms. Fluke was asking the government to do was to pass legislation which would require religious organizations, universities and companies to ADD birth control coverage under the employees health care plan to allow employees access to buy birth control under their existing HCP.
I find it interesting that for everyone who opposes birth control coverage for women under their HCP, you hear nothing in the way of opposition to Viagra coverage for men, which is currently allowed through their health care plan. What a double standard. You have joined the list of foot-in-mouth disease..........
@Tigg- you are 100% right. I handle the insurance in our company. It cost our plan no extra money for contraceptive care, with or without it. It's the same. This is just a right wing talking point, and it is an attack on women's health coverage. Plain & simple. I guess they think we are way to stupid to know what is right or wrong for us. Next, they will say we should all give up our jobs, so we can stay home and raise all those extra children. It's an old boy world, isn't it?
First, Heaton has had 4 kids and a tummy tuck so major, her belly button was removed...just thought I'd get that out there...lol. She is a highly paid professional who can afford those 4 kids and then some, so her view on reproduction might be a little skewed. I, on the other hand, work in the inner city and see copious amounts of baby mommas and baby daddies with no real committment to raising their umpteen children properly...the next generation of welfare recipients. I support any government or insurance agency that can supply contraception for the masses. Should they have to? No. But these dopey bottom feeders are sucking our society dry and MUST be stopped, so if that's what it takes, so be it. Our society will be better off for it.
If you do what you say you do which I don't believe you are very hateful and unprofessional (babies momma's and daddies,do us a favor keep your "liberal"fake a55 out da hood.
"If you do what you say you do which I don't believe you are very hateful and unprofessional (babies momma's and daddies,do us a favor keep your "liberal"fake a55 out da hood."
@Tammi – my opinions seem 'liberal' to you? Do you even know what that term means? I work in the inner city and see the bottom dwellers first hand. Speaking of which, since your command of the English language is so limited and you clearly do not understand the term 'liberal', you must be one of them!!!!
Please don't lump all Christians with this Patricia lady! All of these so called Christians have forgotten that anything that happens between God and his children is between God and his child. He will judge without any help from anyone who absolutely has no control of what tomorrow will bring.
First of all Laura, when you list any conservative women that count, get back to me. Bochman (aka Bachmann) is a loon; Palin is not far behind. Bachmann lacked the GOP support, just as Palin did. Palin didn't enter the pres race because she knew the GOP wouldn't support her either, not to mention she is earning too much money with her books and Fox commentary's. And as for Patricia Heaton, I am very surprised by her remarks. She has lost respect in many peoples eyes.
For all you conservatives-if you don't believe in the pill, don't take them! Nobody is making you! There are millions of American women that do take the pill to prevent unwanted babies, or for other medical reasons. For people who are against the taking of life, why would you NOT want women to take it. You make absolutely no sense. The Gop is always talking about how they want government out of our lives, but they have no problem being in the room with my doctor & myself, and telling me what I should do. Most people pay an insurance premium or pay for it on your own. All this does is give you a break on the cost. Trust me, it would cost an insurance company a lot less money to help pay for the pill, as to pay for a live birth. Not only that, I haven't heard one man say that the insurance company shouldn't pay for their viagra. Kind of a double standard, isn't it. What Rush said was an afront to all women in general. He insulted married women, their daughters, & their granddaughters. Here's a thought, let's let the guys take all the responsibility for our birth control. I'll bet their tune would change immediately.
There are several reasons a women could need to be put on birth control. For me personally, I would have two cycles a month if I did not remain on the pill. I have not had relation in over 6 years. So educate yourself before you open you big mouth.
This Jesuit-trained antagonist needs no apologies from those exercising their rights by expressing their opinions. Fluke (aptly named) needs to quit crying about being called names, but as a Catholic attorney, she'll get her pound of flesh inquisition-style.
Absurd. No one has a "right" to an apology, but when your good faith attempt at civil discourse in the most formal of settings results in public figures like Limbaugh or Heaton firing ad hominim attacks, there's nothing wrong with noting how stupidly inappropriate it is. No one's "crying," Captain – but behavior like theirs is apology-worthy in the eyes of any mature adult. Yes, the same goes for folks like Ed Schultz (who, I might add, was suspended from the air for a week following his mistake.)
Ms. Heaton popped out four boys. Who is going to pay for their condoms. A lot of girls would like to get knocked up by the son of a very rich (and marginally talented) Christian TV star. I'll bet she wouldn't like it if God gave he a bunch of illigitamate grandchildren to support. Boycott her lousy show and the products that advertise it. I don't agree with her views but I haven't used any bad words. She admits on talk shows that she has had lots of plastic surgery after her pregnancies. I guess God gave her the kids but a surgeon gave created her looks. I respectfully say she seems like a woman filled with hate. I guess Jesus, money and the love of four envitro babies has not brought her peace of mind.
Hummm. interesting. An old argument from conservatives was not to have children if you couldn't support them -but now do not want to require insurance companies to provide the means to prevent them either...............
When I was a young newlywed, my company insurance did not cover contraceptives either but would ( & did) cover the expenses of having a child. I always thought that did not make any business sense-wasn't prevention cheaper???
That's what I am saying! Nobody is pro abortion but more abortions = less crime and welfare!
Our country needs more jobs and abortions! Maybe I should leave the last part out when I start my Senate run?
There is a clear double standard in the Divided States of America. We have anti-Catholic students enrolled in excellent Catholic schools making a mockery of our faith. If they don't believe in our faith then don't go to our schools!!! Your taking up a space for a Catholic student that wants to lead a moral life!!!!!
Where is the apology from Sandra Fluke, Bill Maher, Ed Schultz, and all the other left leaning folks. The behavior is atrocious, the cost is for free at the taxpayer expense, and our looking for an apology for what sin!!!!!!.
President calls Sandra did he apologize to Sarah Palin for all of the awful names the left dished out to her!!!!!!
Before you start throwing heathens out of your good Catholic schools, better check and see if these Universities receive any federal funding or if the good Catholic students are accepting secular or governmental scholarships or loans. I'm sure your God, the real one, wouldn't want you spreading lies and misinformation to the press. Maybe you should call him and apologize for your factually incorrect assumptions. You better apologize or you'll go to hell. At least that's what the nuns told me as a girl. See you in heaven fact checker?
Or maybe Jesus will fix it. Maybe catholic schools should teach science...and maybe ethics. You don't see how downright absurd your comment is? The catholic church has swindled, embezzled and molested their own followers for hundreds of years now they're playing the victim? people who make a mochery of your faith do so because they are sick of the Jesus freak hypocrites telling others about morals and what's right and wrong. Go and live in your religious world...maybe I'll move to narnia...either way, stop your whining make decisions on facts and reason .
If the Catholic Church wants to have a BUSINESS then they should act like all business that offer insurance and stay out of the bedroom. I know plenty of Catholics that take birth control pills and they get them from their insurance company.
If they do not want to offer these things then they should either make the school a church only school and allow only church members or they should not be in the business of being a business.
Based on your post, dear Catholic, it is painfully obvious YOU were not one of those students who went to college for anything. BTW, I went to St. Mary's/Notre Dame and morality was for Chapel on Sunday morning after a rough Saturday night.
and why does Mrs Fluke owe an apology?
Fluke is typical liberal provocateur. See how much noise she created. I am just wondering who created this dupe effect. Pat and Rush are incorrect in their assumption on one account only – she is probably a ho but definitely provocateur taking discussion from real issue of jobs and economy being in a hole for about 4 years to the stuff not even that important. Condoms are very inexpensive and widely available. Otherwise doctor prescription will do and if you have a job you can afford contraception of your choice.
Hey ButtRaw, the only thing of note that you said, was , "if they have a job"
You clearly have a job and have no awareness or thought for anyone who has lost theirs.
Ya know what that makes you? Ugly and insignificant.
Fluke is typical liberal provocateur
And you are the typical Republican moron who has no reading comprehension.
Thats why your party is a dying breed.
Some one should have illegally aborted her and that fat a55 Rush Limbaugh.
The government pays for Viagra in some cases so why not women's bc?
Thank you! It seems a lot of people seem to forget this little tidbit!
This isn't about the government paying for the prescriptions. Group health insurance, you know, employers. What you get at work.
You mean like god took away your brain, Patti?
I have never liked Heaton. There has always seemed to be something profoundly classless about her, at least to me. Now she's spewing venom and now I know what I was perceiving all along. Apologies??? Give me a break!!! She can say what she wants or not...who cares. She's just another celebrity among sooooooooooooo many that I choose to totally ignore.
I was so proud of Patricia for speaking her mind but have lost respect for her since she has apologized. The Fluke woman is a ho and is just p.o. because she got called out for being one. Maybe she should put as much energy into her schooling as she seems to about her *ex life.
Marsha, you don't know what you're talking about. Truly. Fluke was not speaking of herself.
Marsha, you're just stupid. Very, very, very stupid.
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...... needs to get laid!
in an interview last year, she claimed to have lost work because of her views. Well, maybe you should shut your pie hole, hypocrite. You claim to be a Christian, yet go off on people with little factual information and condemn them. Christian indeed.
I am sending you an aspirin.
Please put it between your knees,
we dont want you to breed.
Marsha, that football must have hit your nose harder than we originally thought. Better get checked for concussion.
You need to head MAthew 7:1-5 ESV
"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
How can Sandra Heaton with one side of her mouth say awful things about Sandra Fluke and with the other invoke the name of God. I will not watch anything she is in anymore, nor any new shows. Because she chooses to have a bunch of kids do not mean we all wish to do so and she has no idea what is it like not to be able to afford birth control.
Enough of all this conservetive and liberal crap.. Any woman that wants contreceptives should get them themselves!
Fine. No problem. Then any man that wants Viagra or Cialis or a vasectomy can pay for it himself.
It's a man's world, folks. Men can get all the 'male enhancers' they want, covered by insurance, but women's Patricia Heaton, not only will I not watch your show again, but I think you should get off your pulpit and think – really think – about this issue. If you are still not outraged and appalled at the continuing lack of equality between men and women and what is and isn't covered for them, then you are not just a mediocre actress but an idiot as well.
Okay. Okay. So, if women don't have the choice to control pregnancy, then men should not have the choice to fck eveything in their path. If birth control for women is not covered, then neither is dck enhancing drugs like Viagra and Cialis. End of debate.
Okay, but what about women like me, who took birth control pills for years because they are one of only a few options proven to help prevent ovarian cancer? Ovarian cancer is generally fatal by the time it can be discovered, and it's wiped out all the women on one side of my family. I can assure you that the money spent on birth control pills over those years is going to be MUCH less than the cost of chemotherapy, radiation, and/or surgery plus any other care I would need for developing ovarian cancer. (Also, why should cancer preventing medications not be covered?)
And that's just one medical reason women take birth control pills. Maybe it's just the circles I run in, but most women I know have taken them for medical reasons, not for contraceptive ones. I don't think I should have to go to my employer and say, "Hi! I have a family history of cancer! Cover my birth control pills!" in order to get coverage, because if you think I won't be discriminated against as a bad risk for promotion, you haven't met some of the HR suits I have. :P
Oh, that's right, ONLY WOMEN should be concerned about birth control, it is NEVER the man's responsibility. You are an idiot.
First off insurance companies are not the ones fighting this. They want it, they want to cover everything possible like this for the most part. Why? Because they can to pass this charge on as premiums, and it doesn't matter if you are male or female. Yes, females pay for viagra and yes men pay for prenatal care. I don't know many insurance plans that do al a carte. So they add on let's say $.05 to each policy, that is a lot of money.
Second off this is about more government and that is the problem. Our government is screwing up up, Repub and Dem for a long time now. At some point we the people figured 1 policy fits all in this country. The Fed needs to shrink by leaps and bounds and the power needs to go back to the states. But that is a discussion for another day. We are not a 1 size fits all people.
Dang it! Way to go, Heaton. Now I have to stop watching The Middle to protest your utter ignorance about the issue.Not Fluke, about her friend, not BC for pregnancy prevention but for ovarian cyts, not taxpayers money but requiring all health plans to cover if BC if the woman needs it. The same as viagra is covered for the men under the group health insurance plans. Why can't he get help to um, come to a point, but she can't do anything to prevent getting pregnant from him or prevent cyts? There, now Heaton and anyone else should know what it's about.
Wow, I apoliogize for all my typos. Cysts, cysts, et al! Obviously, this topic means a lot to me. Giving up The Middle will be painful. whisper-painful-whisper
You are an a$$ – Heaton is a perfect lady and you wish you could be half the woman she is. U turd
I exchanged some angry tweets with Ms. Heaton on Friday. I think others did too. She sort of responded in kind. But then I think she took a weekend to think about it. To think about the whole of what Rush did, her knee-jerk response to it, and what she might think if she were Sandra Fluke.
Then she came around. It's hard, once you come "out" politically, to do or say something that does not toe the party line. It takes some guts to do that. See Bernard, Michelle if you doubt it.
So I give Ms. Heaton her due-and-proper in this case. She did the honest, humane thing. Good on 'er.
I endorse this comment.
You people are full of it
thanks for showing the world that you're a stupid b!tch and an anti-woman bible banger. hope your show gets cancelled and you and rush both choke to death.
Why are atheists so spiteful? Who peed in YOUR Cheerios?
I agree with Frank, you need to see a shrink!!!
Funny "Frank" thinks atheists are spiteful. I've heard Catholics tell people they will burn eternally in hell for their sins. Pretty harsh and judgmental (especially to tell kids that in school) Yet I've never heard an atheist tell anyone they will go to hell for eternity. They taught us the word "irony" in public schools. Why are Catholics always telling everyone to go to hell. Isn't that rude at the least and un-Godly at the worst? Frank you are the worst. A hypocrite.
haha, oh Ms. (I assume) Kimberly Clark calling somebody a hypocrite... GOLDEN!
Has Frank told somebody to go to hell? Is he even Catholic? Who knows.... oh, apparently you do?
Apparently Frank HAS to be a Catholic (who make up the minority of the Christian population in the US, so its not even a good assumption) and because you've heard Catholics (giving you credit for having more evidence for those labeling those people Catholics) telling people to go to hell it automatically means Frank has done the same. Kimberly Clark = prejudice bigot CHECK
Apparently you were not paying attention the day they went over "irony" because from your post I can tell you have no idea what it actually means. Ditto for hypocrite, unless you'd like to make a poor case in explaining how Frank's post was hypocritical (you really consider the question, "Who peed in your cheerios?" spiteful?) and ironic. Kimberly Clark = stupid CHECK
And while telling an athesist that they're going to hell is as useful as telling an Amish person they can't use your car, that is what they actually believe. Crazy? Yes. Rude? Sure. Un-Godly? Not to them. They believe you should repent to save your soul and if you don't.... you go to Hell (or purgatory, pretty much the same thing though)! That's why all these silly people waste everyone of their Sundays.... they believe the shenanigans.
What a great actress she is; playing a caring mother of a daughter on The Middle. I agree. I will no longer be able to watch her on that show
Say Frank, how did you determine that bequiet is an athiest? I do not see it...are you just trolling for an argument?
saopaco, funny you should bring that up, because I'm not an atheist. Frank is obviously a provoker troll.
Heaton mouthed off about Terry Shivo too. I remember she was interviewed on Entertainment Tonight and said she would go on a hunger strike if Schivo's feeding tube was removed. Don't know if she did. William Shatner said it was a decision for the family and none of his business. Heaton's a whacko.
i remember Heaton back during the Terri Shivo debacle and you're right – she was spewing all kinds of craziness – she is one Looney Nut Job !!
These religious whack-os need to get a grip on reality !
It is pretty obvious that she didn't skip a meal.
Patricia Heaton echoed what Rush said. Like she didn't have an original thought of her own. That is so sad. I'll never look at her the same with any kind of respect.
I for one would have not apologized,30 year old law student ,grow up ,pay for your own birth control,get a job,no one paid for mine when I needed them,,,,what next,need the government to pay for your starbucks coffee? And just what we need in this world ,another lawyer.......
Ruth – first off, there's something wrong with your keyboard. Secondly – the argument you level seems hopelessly general and anti-insurance. After all, Fluke (like the majority of Americans) isn't arguing that anyone other than herself and her private insurers should fund birth control. The "government" and the taxpayer aren't involved; please, inform yourself.
Georgetown REQUIRES Grad students top have health coverage and if you don't or you inurance does not meet their standards you have to get theirs and the expense is added to you tuition so it it is not paid by us tax payers or even georgetown . I just went to their website and checked things out really simple.. you should try it its better than making inane comments. im on the fences on some issues but at least i can check the facts before i make a stupid comment
Birth control pills are no different from any other prescription medication. Are you advocating that prescriptions not be covered at all and that everyone be required to "get their own" (i.e. pay full price for) antibiotics, cancer drugs, antidepressants, high blood pressure medication, etc.?? From a purely economic perspective that's a really poor argument, since maternity costs far exceed the costs to insurers of covering contraceptives.
How about coverage for in vitro fertilization procedures. If we're supposed to "grow up" and handle our own contraception, then people having difficulty conceiving should also "grow up," own responsibility for their fertility issues, and not expect the rest of us to pay for their IVF treatments. You can't have it both ways . . .
And keep in mind that married women use contraceptives too. Many faith traditions, Christian and otherwise, approve of using contraceptives for family planning as long as they aren't used to avoid having children entirely. Just because the Catholic Church isn't one of them doesn't mean that insurance companies should have to treat BCPs any differently than any other legal prescription drug.
Are you a college grad? Did you actually hear or read Ms Fluke's testimony?? I truly doubt it. Do you have insurance? Maybe a prescription plan? Who pays for it? If its your company, do they deduct it off their taxes? If so, you are being subsidized, at taxpayer expense. As for apologizing.. You are an idiot. I doubt Rush actually saw or read what Ms Fluke stated. Much of what she said referred to others. Rush makes so many errors he really isn't worth listening to. But his comments were way over the top, factually inaccurate, spiteful, and that of a very little man talking to group of moronic idiots who find it hard to think for themselves... Good thing most Americans dislike and disagree with druggie Rush
Ruth , r u ? A- stupid B- idiot C- all of the above .
You shysters banging ruth are a bunch of pickpockets.
@Wow, I think the answer is clearly (C).
And i am tired of paying for your blood pressure and cholesterol medicine. Eat better and exercise. Why should I have to pay for medicines that are need for a lifestyle choice.
I hope you can derive a point from sarcasm....
I think Ruth's point was medical care/mediations that do not cross some line into "necessity" should not be required to be covered in health insurance plans. Any time the coverage of something is added to an insurance plan, the costs of it are indeed spread out to other people – so yes, other people then in part pay for something for other people. This is the point of insurance coverage. So, if contraception gets added to what is covered, then everyone shares the cost of it, if they use it or not. So where do we draw the line of necessity? Is it reasonable to demand that all health insurance plans cover cosmetic surgery? And perhaps artificial tanning?
It seems pretty clear from reading these posts
that Republicans flat out dont know how to read.
So h/ellbent on slamming Fluke, Obama and libs
that they dont even understand what the story is about.
Thick as a brick.
Greg–how is NOT having a child one does not need or cannot afford a "luxury"? Sounds to me like you are just another parrot of the Fox line. My policy doesn't cover BCP except as a 3rd tier expense (look that up if you don't know what it means), but it covers Viagra and other ED drugs as "formulary" at the 1st and 2nd tier. I consider some old guy's happy time a "luxury" that I don't want to pay for. However, I have to when I pay my premiums. Therefore, it seems only fair that the old guy pays for BCPs so his erection doesn't contribute to the surplus population.
@humberto... nobody is banging Ruth; that's why she doesn't need birth control pills covered.
Fluke testified about the medical benefits of contraception, not just preventing pregnancy. I've been on contraceptives on an off since middle school because I have women's issues, not because I was running around having relations. People can be so stupid and narrow-minded!
If the prescription is for medical issues, then your doctor can prescribe and can challenge any lack of coverage as medical necessity. There is a difference between what Ms. Fluke was requesting and your situation. The problem is that it is in the interests of those who would expand the coverage beyond medical necessity that obfuscate the issue and have caused the controversy.
Actually, Ms. Fluke testified about friends who needed BCPs to treat medical issues but couldn't afford them because they weren't covered by Georgetown's student health insurance program (since Georgetown is a Catholic university.)
califkid ... U r right, u r wrong!! Did you actually see or read Ms Fluke's testimony? I did. First, so what I'd wrong with being able to have the coverage? If you don't believe in it, don't use it. Since 98% of women have/had used contraceptives.. Seems to make sense to offer it. Also, insurance companies have found its cheaper to offer b/c than to pay for pregnancies. Some women do need contraceptives for health reasons. As someone with 5 sisters, grew up as a catholic, I find the church is not only out of touch with reality, much of what the object to is purely made up. I truly believe its purely a numbers game.. More little religious kids keep the faith going. Well I for 1 live in the 21st century and believe in science. To many people here are lemmings following religious leaders protecting their personal agenda, not based on biblical teaching
Loren, what doctor ever challenges a prescription not being covered by insurance? Mine never have and I've also been on birth control for medical reasons and paid out of pocket. Why put doctors in that position? It isn't their job – their job is to treat patients.
and just like my wife's, because it's a medical condition, it's covered by insurance. I've had Blue Cross, United, and 3 other insurance companies over the years, and every single one of them have covered my wife's BC pills.
Liberal Hypocrites, Patricia spoke truth out of anger just the same as you would and are right now at her! This issue is not about the contraceptives, it is about hard working Americans having to bail out others who should be taking care of themselves and also having their conscience compromised by radicals who care nothing about anyone but themselves. Wake Up!
where were all of you when you liberals were attacking, Bochman, Palin and countless other concervatives? Hypocrites!
Umm . . . Laura, you're the only one who has posted here. Who, exactly, are you trying to call down? You're kinda looking like you are raging at the voices in your head like a crazy person. Oh, and you spelled Bachman incorrectly.
Whenever you're tempted to respond out of anger, take a deep breath, then another, then wait 30 seconds. Maybe you think you're protected because you're afraid to use your real name. But your point isn't.
Why is everyone acting like the government is paying for contraception, anyway? The insurance companies will be required to cover the cost of them and THAT is the issue. I suggest you know what the issue is before you spout off ignorant comments.
You are so right Laura!!!
Hard working Americans wouldn't have to "bail out" others as you put it because it's the insurance companies that would be paying for this. Get your facts straight.
Since when does the "government" or the "taxpayer" fund private insurance coverage for contraception? Geta clue, Laura.
Learn how to spell and then maybe people will actually listen to your nonsense.
How is she a liberal? She sounds more like a imaginary friend fearing conservative to me!
The discussion is not about WE (the taxpayers) paying for anyone's contraception or any BAILOUT, this is about having the CHOICE to have an option to have insurance for contraception. Stick to the issue.
Intelligent people don't get angry and then blast their thoughtless, anger-filled comments over the airwaves and online. That's why we're reading what you and Heaton are saying right now. Frankly, you come across as a know-nothing shut-in who is just vomiting out a string of buzzwords you heard on AM talk radio.
By the way, stupidity knows no gender.
4 types of republicans: religious, rich, racist and retarded
What you just said makes no fking sense. We were all here for Sarah Palin Jr. (Bachmann) which is why she is no longer here.
In response to MJlocust
I don't think u fully understand how this will work! Government won't be paying for birth control. U r right!!!
We the people will be paying for our own health insurance and if the government orders birth control be covered for all, then guess what???? Premiums go up! Meaning u pay more so everyone can have it! And since government has made it a law that we must have health Insurance, u are forced to pay higher premiums so everyone can have bc paid for.
How is this fair?
Laura, you have it exactly wrong. This is not about taxpayers footing any bill. But you've taken the bait and said it is. Look at what actually said. Look at what the rule actually does. Look at how insurance actually works. This is about a coward who has a history of hating women being supported by other cowards, people whose first instinct is to side with bullies and then try to be cute about apologizing. What doesn't she agree with? Taxpayer funding? Ah, so she's ignorant, too, and stained with Rush's lack of character.
I think the real hypocrites are all those coming down on Limbaugh (don't get me wrong, he's an idiot) but it was okay when Maher called a Republican a tw@t and cun&. Neither are okay. Why aren't was demanding Maher's sponsors back out?? That's right, because it's about party politics and nothing more.
The issue is about the gov't forcing insurance companies to allow coverage for BC. I think it is dumb because people are not avoinding BC's because of cost. You can get free condoms at the clinic. For women getting BC's that really want it, can get it free or discounted by those same clinics. For thos that have to pay full price, it is cheaper than raising a child. Those that will use BC's will and those that won't, won't anyway. So the real issue is about gov't control. That being said, the level of devision in this country is staggering. No matter who is in office, nothing will get fixed as long as personal agendas are put before the welfare of this country. We the people do not run the government. Wealthy Corporations do. Time to wake up.
Always liked her, but her remarks are as stupid as Limbaugh's aspirin comments. I will be looking for something else to watch on Wednesdays.
Palin and Bachman deserved to be attacked for their ignorant views, just like you do. Why do people insist on telling other people how to live in the name of freedom?
rreally disappointed in Heaton! Too bad she's a republican religious zealot!!
Where was I? I was listening to the Dixie Chicks. Short term memories anyone?
Please know the facts before you make another inane post. And try having an original thought and not simply repeat what you see on your favorite "news" station.
No, she isn't right. She's opinionated (as are the rest of us). However, if your agree that she's right, then YOU ARE wrong. This is just a big Obama hate fest. I cannot believe that you Stepford wives, many of you who acquired BC thru insurance, are even speaking. Maybe not you, Patsy, but someone you know gets/got the pill or another product...
Lady, if it wasn't for liberals there are a lot of programs that you wouldn't be enjoying now! As for Mrs. Heaton, the best way that she can she can put her Christianity on dislay is by living it.
I'm tied of the ugly language, gutter talk, and dismal level of civic discourse. I'm boycotting every advertiser - now and in the future - of Rush Limbaugh. And I won't be watching any of this actress's shows either. Enough of these garbage-throwers!
who is Patricia Heaton ??
If you have health insurance, others are paying for YOUR lifestyle. It's completely hypocritical and downright idiotic to preach about "paying for your own" health care when YOURS is being subsidized!
Patricia Heaton is like all good American right-wing Christians - a bigot and psychopath. She has nothing to apologize for. Just like Rush Limbaugh - a good Christian through and through.
They have nothing on Muslim terrorists, except the terrorists have access to bombs, the right wing Christians 2nd Amendment protected guns. Both are thrilled at the coming Armageddon which they are sure they will win.
Laura, try to have at least some idea about what you are talking about. She was advocating for private insurance be required to provide contraception. What does this at all have to do with "hard-working" Americans bailing someone else out? Plus her testimony was specifically about medical necessity contraception. There are intelligent, informed conservatives and then the Limbaugh crowd that is high on anger and hate and even higher on hyperbole and pre-written phrases like 'hard working Americans," But oh so low on those all important IQ points.
umm....velvet,you avoided the issue laura was talking about.cheap tactic.
Before commenting, everyone should recognize what Ms. Fluke was testifying about. She said she has a friend with a medical condition that requires birth control pills for treatment. The proposal would have required this friend and others in her similar medical situation to pay for the treatment (the birth control pills) themselves. In other words, the pills would be exempted fromr insurance coverage even though they were being used as medicine and not solely for birth control. I like Ms. Heaton as an actress; I do not like Mr. Limbaugh. And both of them were wrong and off base with their comments.
@LiZi361: I don't recall anyone saying it was "okay" for Bill Maher to call Sarah Palin whatever he called her, but there's a big difference between one public figure attacking another and a public figure who uses the airwaves to smear a private citizen. As for why people didn't demand that Maher's sponsors withdraw their advertising from his show, that's probably because he doesn't have any sponsors - his "Real Time" program airs on HBO, which is commercial-free.
You must have more money than Heaton. Most of us in the US cant even afford feed our families.
GOVT nor TAX money is being asked/used to pay for this coverage. All the BILL says INSURANCE company should cover it like prescription or FSA. EVERYONE PAYS FOR THEMSELVES, NO ONE PAYS FOR OTHERS.
Laura, when a Liberal attacks someone who isn't in the political arena or a household name, then you'd have a point. Bachmann and Palin are politicians and have a pulpit of their own.
Actually, it is private insurance that would cover the birth control and it saves them money by preventing unwanted pregnancies which they would have to cover. Then, the government might have to cover for the mother if she drops out of school or work to raise the baby. Or maybe the kid ends up in foster care.
Contraception is actually smart business sense for medical insurers and government. Fewer unwanted babies is also associated with lower rates of crime. This kind of preventative medicine is great bang for the buck (pardon my pun).
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of religious and anti-Obama zeal.
To "TheHate" – March 7th the national day to end the "R" word.
Laura4basics.."it is about hard working Americans having to bail out others who should be taking care of themselves"
Stop with the "liberal" BS. Ms Fluke pays for her own insurance so where do you get it that she is asking to be bailed out?
As for "freedom of religion", that's a crock too. A religious person has a choice to follow her faith or not. You republicans say you are the party of choice, so where is the choice.
Those against insurance covering birth control should realize the alternative are more babies AND moms on welfare and under Medicaid (the welfare health insurance) Birth control IS covered and we pay out much more for at least 18 years of life for the child and health care and food for the mom too–is that what you guys want? Welfare ALREADY pays for birth control pills–and women with unplanned pregnancies don't give the babies to YOU they often keep them and go on welfare. DO THE MATH–pills/exams and lab tests–3K in 5 years OR welfare, and health insurance for mom and new baby for 18 years?
DO THE MATH–pills/exams and lab tests–3K in 5 years OR welfare, and health insurance for mom and new baby for 18 years?
But, but, Hollywood is sooooooooooooo liberal....I don't think she is that funny...anyway...
Laura said: "Patricia spoke truth out of anger just the same as you would and are right now at her!"
That's not what she did. She did the same thing a lot of self-important people, famous and non, do when they get a crowd following them on Twitter. Ashton Kutcher recently did the same thing. They fire off opinions before they know the facts. Sadly, it's human nature. And if you don't believe that, just read the comments sections here on CNN. They're loaded with similar foolishness.
Yes, hard-working Americans will have to bail them out. Why? Because rates will go up for everyone if insurance companies have to pay for contraceptives. What's next – paying for condoms and dope needles?
Lost in all this posturing and your faux outrage is the simple fact that the position of your ideology is just plain wrong, as it usually is. Contraceptives should be covered and God has (and should have) nothing to do with it. Outrage is much more justified when the other side is wrong.
Oh look, another liberal hater. Rush has trained you well. So full of outrage you can't even see how ridiculous you sound. And I'm not a liberal.
Laura, invest in spell-check, and turn off the AM radio
A private citizen has no right to be treated this way by people who have almost 24hr access to media coverage to spread their hate. Fluke was doing what she felt was right and doesn't have the celebrity power ppl like Limbaugh and Heaton have. It's easy to talk smack about someone who has no real outlet for refuting lies and accusations.
@Jen "if the government orders birth control be covered for all, then guess what???? Premiums go up! " The fact is, most insurance already covers birth control medication. This is about employers like a catholic University, where they want to be able to opt out of birth control coverage for its employees, because it goes against catholic beliefs. The point is, not everyone who works at the catholic university may subscribe to all the beliefs of the catholic church regarding birth control, and they feel their insurance should cover it.
She is just another talentless stupid actress that doesn't even realize she is on the same side as Ms. Fluke. If she is for brth control, then why say anything negative at all?
PS: Patricia...GOD HAS NOTHING WHATSOVER TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS AT ALL.
I find this argument of "I'm not paying for that because I don't believe in it" totally illogical. As American taxpayers, we CONSTANTLY pay for things we don't necessarily agree with. For instance, I didn't think we had any place in Iraq, but I paid for that, didn't you laura4basics? I give back to a large "SO WHAT"!!
Have you never learned that one should not speak out of anger? To put it in words you might understand, keep your mouth shut until you calm down. Did I go too fast for you?
That rant is a perfect example of why birth control should be legal and readily available: so your mother could have used it and spared the world from being subjected to another imbecile who can't even master spell-check.
Funny you. This isn't about anything but folks who are religious conservatives who want to force their views on others. She has always been an ultra evangelical conservative and has often and I mean often voiced her hateful rhetoric.
1) Patricia spoke truth out of anger just the same as you would and are right now at her!
That is not what Ms. Heaton said. She said she was trying to be funny, but should not have been attacking someone in doing so. As to the second half of your comment, you are saying the comments directed at Ms. Heaton here are truth?
2) This issue is not about the contraceptives, it is about hard working Americans having to bail out others.....
It is surprising how often people see an issue of private insurance as though tax dollars were involved. Besides, this argument reminds me of the South when they use to argue they were not defending segregation, but were instead fighting for "states rights". Yep, it's not about supporting oppression, it is the principle of the thing.
3) .... also having their conscience compromised
But I thought you said this was not about contraceptives? Besides, I don't believe the Scriptures prohibit insurance, and providing insurance does not mean anyone has to use contraceptives. If you feel contraception is a sin, preach that. What does that have to do with insurance?
4) where were all of you when you liberals were attacking, Bochman, Palin and countless other concervatives? Hypocrites!
Ah yes, the best defense is a good offense. I say this topic talked about on Faux News yesterday. It was so full of lies and distortions I don't know where to begin. I mean, people I have never heard of, or people nobody ever listens to regarding policy, are compared to Rush Limbaugh, who people take seriously. One example of "hypocracy" was David Letterman who told a joke; they relayed the joke, but just forgot to mention that he was widely criticized for that joke, was almost fired, and made a public apology. But Faux News had no problem using him has an example of someone getting a hypocritical free pass. And then there was a repeat of a December interview with Rush Limbaugh, where he goes on and on about how all he cares about is policy. Yet he is put in the same class as Bill Maher. I don't know anyone who listens to Biil Maher on policy. When someone who is a player in the party makes inappropriates they do get criticized.
No, the issue is about womens rights and contraceptives.. Like or you not and I pay for a lot of government funded programs (both state and federal) that we have no say over.. This has nothing to do with religion.. No one is forcing you to use contraceptives.. On the otherhand, I will end up paying for your many children born with out regard for family planning.. Both in education, general stress on government and environment, as well as possibly directly through un-employment and social security benefits... Oddly enough, the insurance companies are fine with paying to contraceptives – it's way cheaper than the medical cost of bearing children (to both child and mother)...
Besides, she's didn't even say she needed contraception – her main argument was to make it available for all because it actually does have health benefits beyond not having children..
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