“The Playboy Club” won’t air until the fall but it’s already been deemed unsuitable for one NBC affiliate in Utah.
Salt Lake City station KSL told the network that the ‘60s-era drama set in Hugh Hefner's famed Chicago establishment just doesn’t fit with what the station aims to show its audience.
"The Playboy brand is known internationally. Everyone is clear what it stands for,” said KSL President and CEO Mark Willes. “We want to be sure everyone is clear what the KSL brand stands for, which is completely inconsistent with the Playboy brand.”
The network is a sponsor of a campaign called “Out in the Light,” which Utah Coalition Against Pornography chairwoman Pamela Atkinson explained is a “community-wide effort to educate people on the harmful effects of sexually-explicit material.”
Atkinson wrote a commentary piece about KSL opting to pull “The Playboy Club” from its fall line-up, explaining that the station’s decision was “based partly on the station's concern the program would create a conflict” with the “Out in the Light” campaign.
However, KSL and NBC are trying to find a way to air the show on another channel for that market.
Says KSL’s programming director Michelle Torsak, "Our intent is not to tell people what they can and cannot watch, but rather to share programming with our audience in accordance with our mission."
Here goes the RIGHT wing again... Instead of changing the channel they want to censor it. No one is twisting your arm to watch it. In fact in this day and age of technology you can use the parental controls. Again they walk around with a GUN in one hand and a BIBLE in the other. you don't believe in my GOD then you should be dead.. that's their motto.
I really want to taste some of the chocolate bunny in that picture. Now I hope folks out there dont go ballistic because i said that. I wouldnt want to sound like i was coming across the wrong way.
much love – peace
So a state full of polygamists find playboy bunnies "not appropriate"?
I guess if i had 4 wives, Id be out of sorts too.
1960s Bunnies: THAT'S what I call magic underwear!
in fact, black women WERE hired way back in the '60s, and were even referred to as "chocolate bunnies".
i grew up in UT. almost everyone has a stick up their behind. that being said, i try to limit my TV time and even if this was showing, it wouldn't make the cut on my Tivo list.
Hope this show never sees light of day. It's just another excuse to show t&a, of which we already have an over-supply. Hefner/Playboy are obsolete nowadays, only for Neanderthal men who exploit women and women who still want to be exploited. Enough already.
Do you people realize that in this country there are many TV and radio stations owned and operated by different churches? (Mormon, Catholoc, and particularly protestant). All those stations can air whatever they want, as long as it adheres to FCC rules (no profanity, etc).
Furthermore, KSL as PRIVATELY owned company can choose whatever they want to air on their channels. They are not a public company. I'm sure they are making the decision that makes most financial sense for them as a private, for-profit company
The fact that it is ownerd by the LDS Church is irrelevant here. Whatever mormons believe it irrelevant also. You don't like KSL, change the channel. You want to watch Playboy, there are many other options for you.
Separation of Church and State applies to PUBLIC services, like public schools, etc. NOT to private companies.
let's not forget the wonderful radio station predicting the end of the world not to long ago. it made money off of poor suckers, and this station is just trying to air a show its viewers will actually watch so it can make money off of their suckers too.
Thank you for the info. I feel so very well-rounded with my education finally.
Not really sure what the big deal is, this steaming turd of a T.V. show won't make it past 2 or 3 episodes anyway !!! Eddie Cibrian is T.V. show poison, look up his amazing track record !!! What a farce !!!
Magic stones. A magic hat. Magic underwear. Joseph Smith was merely the Doug Henning of the nineteenth century.
i live in utah and once again we are a laughing stock of the country !!KSL didnt like what saturday night live represented so they wont air it on KSL so for years its been on a different channel. Back in July 4 1976 when our country celebrated 200 years of existence. It feel on a sunday so they did not celebrate it . They celebrated it a day earlier or a day later. Utah also teaches Siminary classes during school hours which i feel is a direct violation of Church and state. I honestly feel if you want your children to learn religion then send them to a private religious school. I know that siminary classes are electives but still it should not be during school hours.. UTAH DOESNT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. I wont have children because of the way utah is. Religoon has no place in a public school. That is what private church schools are for
You do not understand church and state. It states that there shall be "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". It is meant to prevent government and society intervening in the church not the other way around.
1) The correct spelling is "seminary." But that is only what it is called for the youth who attend. As far as the school system is concerned, it is "release time," which any student can qualify for DURING SCHOOL HOURS to go an do any activity whether it is of a religious nature or not.
2) You said, ""Religoon [sic] has no place in a public shcool." There are several problems with that statement, not the least of which is where education failed you regarding proper spelling. Religion DOES have a place in public schools as it relates to the study of history, and as it relates to individuals right to exercise their religious beliefs. Also, the seminaries are not IN public schools, as you intone. Rather, they are private buildings on private property often located in proximity to schools.
3) I'm sorry to hear of your decision not to procreate. But at least your anti-Mormon, anti-religion bigotry won't get passed along to another generation.
Amy...MOVE out of Utah!! "won't have kids" ... I think we can all appreciate no more "amys" avoiding siminary.
boo hoo boo hoo one TV station has a little good taste and will not air a show about a bar from FIFTY YEARS AGO - the Playboy Clubs all went broke b/c no one wanted to go there
Why is it that libertarians only want freedom for what they want and any different opinions are automatically stupid
the TV station should be free not to play a stupid show if they do not want to play the stupid show that is freedom
do those women have twitter addresses
I think it's awesome that the affiliate has the courage to stand up and ban trash on TV.
boo hoo one TV station has a little good taste and will not air a show about a bar from FIFTY YEARS AGO - the Playboy Clubs all went broke b/c no one wanted to go there
Michelle Bachmann..." I'm hot for Jesus ".
Honestly, I bet money has more to do with it than the religious convictions of the decision makers of KSL. I doubt they don't like it (which I'm sure they don't); I think it's obvious they're blocking it because they believe the majority of viewers (their financial interest) don't like it and would change the channel when it came on, losing them money. If everyone in their viewership region had a pronounced distaste for X and NBC announced that this fall there was a new show all about X that, were KSL to air it, would extremely affect their ratings numbers, causing advertisers to quit buying commercials, KSL would do something quick for BUSINESS reasons and attribute their actions in whatever way was most politically expedient, as is being done here. They need to please their customers and would prefer to keep making money than die by taking a stand airing something just because "the people have a right to see this!" ( the "the people have a right to see this!" people don't give KSL as much money as the advertisers do as long as viewership remains high).
Correction to second sentence *I doubt they are doing this because they don't like it (which I'm sure they don't);*
Another bunch of whiners who think they have the monopoly on family values. Nonsense. I'd rather my kids check out a Playboy magazine over watching people getting shot up on Law & Order or whatever. A naked woman is attractive to most men and that is supposed to be bad?
I'm sorry but this is a TV show for goodness sake! "Playboy" is a part of our fabric like it or not. I so wish that people would quit pushing their sense of right and wrong on me!
So, you think that YOU can tell a PRIVATE company what they can show on THEIR channel? You are all idiots! KSL can choose to show whatever they want to show – It's that simple. For those of you ripping on Mormons – your ignorance on the facts is astounding – or perhaps not. It just shows that your fingers follow your limited brainwaves typing absolutely nothing of substance – just typical bigoted stereotypes that you've heard all of your life.
Not to judge anyone's religion, but it seems hypocritical for the Mormons (with their history of polygamous marriages) to be coming down on the Playboy Club.
dumbest thing I ever heard - boo hoo one TV station has a little good taste and will not air a show about a bar from FIFTY YEARS AGO - the Playboy Clubs all went broke b/c no one wanted to go there
Why is it that libertarians only want freedom for what they want - any different opinions are automatically stupid
the TV station should be free not to play a stupid show if they do not want to play the stupid show
Why don't you want viewers to decide what's in good taste? Are you afraid of the outcome? Of course you are.
Look…I don’t care if you are Mormon, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or whatever. The fact of the matter is that KLS is a PUBLIC television station. What I do believe is that (1) a television station that is aired publicly should not be owned by ANY religious affiliation as that appears to be a direct violation of First Amendment rights as the station can force their beliefs on their viewers instead of a more balanced form of programming that fits for every belief and (2) beings that they DO own the channel (for now) that if I don’t like the programming on that channel, I will watch another one. That is kind of how it works for ALL television stations! So, whether or not you like their decision, (for now) it is their decision to make and I will just watch another channel.
Where do you get that KSL is a PUBLIC enterprise? It is privatelly owner, just like NBC and all other media companies in this country.
Just as NBC can choose whatever they want to air (good taste, bad taste, whatever) KSL as an affiliate can choose NOT to air whatever they want (just as they can decide to have local news, or morning shows, etc).
Watching TV is not a right, you know?
Actuallly KSL (not 'KLS' btw) is NOT a public television station. It is a privately-owned television stations, as are a majority of the local television stations across the country.
Also, religions enjoy freedom of speech and freedom of the press, just like corporations do.
Therefore, it is perfectly proper, legal, and common, for churches to own not only television stations, but also cable or satellite television stations, radio stations, newspapers, web sites, blogs, printing presses, telecommunications networks, and so on.
Apparently you believe that the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion, speech, the press, and assembly, should not apply to religion. Er, what?!
HMM but controlling the airwaves falls under the FCC. Also if a non profit church owns a for profit television station, your non profit status gets murky. Churches should minister and help. However they tend to seek power and control. Get mad at me all you want but I have thousands of years of evidence on my side and you have a fictional tale from a top hat.
normally, i'd be the first in line to mock the Morms.
but, in this case, i'd say they're ahead of the curve. because by december, this show will be banned by the very studio producing it. and by "banned" i mean "cancelled." because it's going to suck.
I think it is terribly convenient that MAN created GOD; of course, this GOD had to be MALE... sort of goes along with keeping women subservient to MEN. [Coincidence?]
And then, along come the Mormons, late to take real advantage of this triumph of stupidity, and they get to have as many wives as they can handle...
Now, they want to censor the people of Utah from seeing women in Playboy clubs...
I must admit, the "magic hat" thing is a new one on me concerning the LDS faith. Where did it come from?
Magic Hat? Yeah that's a new one for me too. Did hard enough and you'll find enough crazies with nothing but time on their hands to rip on a religion that they know nothing of. Jealousy? Not sure why they do it – most of them are total bigots!
I grew up in the Mormon religion, but am not active at all. I guess I am shocked by the absolute ignorance that "educated" people choose to believe about the Mormon religion. Most everyone on this site sounds like complete mental idiots. Please do your homework before you decide to throw out falacies that you have no understanding of. It makes you look foolish and uneducated.
As someone who grew up in the Church, you a probably aware of the emphasis placed on education. Exploring that idea a little further, skeptics generally assert that higher levels of education lead to less religious observance.
Contrary to that expectation, exactly the opposite occurs among the LDS population. With higher levels of education come higher levels of Church activity. The correlation is startling, with Church attendance rates reaching 70 to 80 percent of those with sixteen years (or more) of education.
IF you grew up in the Mormon religion, I'm afraid you are already too foolish and obviously too uneducated to even begin to comprehend what the many good people are telling you here... you are on another planet!
How's that magic underwear working for you?
Hey, Jeanie –
Apparently you grew up in some bigoted area of the country where the idiots congregate in droves. Your lack of understanding anything at all about Mormons is quite apparent and your hatred of them – well, let's just say you are an angry person and a sad individual that is hard up for attention. Most of us pity people with your lack of understanding of facts -
Oh I feel for you. We are so misguided by television. Our society believes a fictional show to be true. You think that a fictional show on HBO actually represents The Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). The show from TLC, Sister Wives is not based on an LDS Family. They are not Mormons.
LDS Church did once practice Polygamy but stopped over 120 years ago. My ancestors were Mormons and none were polygamists.
Thinking that Utah is full of polygamist families is incorrect. I have lived in Utah my whole life. I have never actually met a polygamist family.
Do the homework. You might be surprised on what you learn. http://www.lds.org
Way to go KSL for sticking by your Values!! It is good to hear that somebody still has some. More people should stick up for what they believe in even if it is unpopular in today’s culture.
Definition of Values: A principle, standard, or quality considered worthwhile or desirable:
EXACTLY, Courtney!!! KSL gets slammed for doing something they think is correct? What a principle? Wow? Who would have thought this could be done? KSL has EVERY right to choose what they air – and... for all of you uneducated, bigoted people who love to spew lies about the Mormons...??? Get a life and study up a little more before showing your ignorance. It's pretty funny reading your posts!!!
Courtney, that's really disappointing about the whole no-polygamy thing. I was really thinking about moving to the state so I could have 2 wives. Its looking more and more like i'll have to emigrate to morocco or somewhere similar.
I don't know what the station is worried about. To be honest, I don't expect the series to last that long. It's NBC for one thing, they're known for pulling shows pretty quickly if I recall. Secondly a show like this would not be allowed to show what it needs to show to survive. People hear "playboy" and expect certain things, you know? I don't know why they didn't just write this show for a channel like HBO or Showtime instead of NBC. I give it five episodes at the most before the network pulls the plug. Anyone remember the show "Undercovers"? That was on NBC and lasted five or less episodes before it was pulled. However, I don't think its right for a station to censor like this. Put up warnings before the show starts about the content of the show and all, but give the viewers the right to change the channel... the right to decide for themselves. Or how about just putting it on late at night (like midnight) when the kiddies should be in bed?
Everyones in here talking about the LDS faith, but what about the LSD faith? That's what i'm trying to get down on.
So where are all the small-government conservatives whining about how the state is going to take away our rights? Oh wait, this is a business and it's OK for a business to take away our rights, after all money is more important than freedom.
Well good for Utah, finally an adult program with interesting content. It's a good thing we're not all Mormans and we have a choice to turn the channel if we don't want to watch a program.
And if you had read the article, you would have discovered that KSL and NBC are working to find another channel to air the program. So NO ONE will have lost their ability to choose to watch the objectification of women, if that's what they want to see.
Apparently, you don't mind women being portrayed as playthings for men with means. Don't you find that a little sad? It's too bad that more women are not speaking out against such portrayals.
I applaud KSL for drawing a line in the sand.
Mormans? You have done your homework very well. Congrats to you..
the station is owned by the church? Remove their tax exempt status now!! I love how conservatives cry and moan about freedom of speech all the time (ie. the supposed right to denigrate and harass anyone they choose), yet don't waste any time to censor what they don't like. HOw hypocritical can you get.
The Church, like any other, is tax-exempt. The Church's commercial holdings, like any others, are not tax-exempt.
Also, I'm a little unclear on who is denigrating and harassing whom.
Do we really need this show? Regardless of who owns the TV station, is it a show that we really need to have on the air? Probably not. Businesses are owned by people. The people that own those businesses decide how that business will be run. If KSL's management doesn't want to broadcast the show, then so be it. They will take the ratings hit (if it will even exist). Larry Miller when he was alive refused to show Brokeback Mountain in his movie theaters. Again, his choice. Lots of hoopla and fuss over his decision. Now, no one cares or remembers. This program and controversy will be exactly the same. They both will die out and no one will care.
Mormons love their Church more than Christ..They follow the teachings of their church and not Christ..
Pete, that's true of any "Christian" religion, not just those who are of the LDS faith. You have degrees of faithfulness and belief. Just like the opinions of this board, not everyone believes in the same stuff, or to the same degree. That is what makes this world so awesome and unique. No two people are alike. I'm glad that is the case.
Pete, Apparently you've never been to a Mormon church. If you go, you'll find paintings of Christ on most walls. You'll find that our hymns almost exclusively sing the praises of Christ. You would see that the sacrament is done so that we "may always remember Him, and have His Spirit to be with" us. You would discover that our prayers and sermons are done in the Name of Jesus Christ. You would find that our Sunday School classes are focused on the New Testament this year. And finally, you would find that the people talk freely about their faith in Christ, the effects on His Atonement in their personal lives, and their desire to live Christ-like lives.
What do you bet this show gets canceled after a couple of weeks anyway?
The show will probably run for a couple of years and then die out.
A “community-wide effort to educate people on the harmful effects of se xually-explicit material.”? If you think that anything that airs on NBC is explicit, then you're obviously a person who doesn't know enough about the subject to even form an opinion.
time to stop letting christian mythology dictate to normal people
@mad r@p3r- you crack me up...im rollin....u know ive got you!
It's ok... I can guarantee you the mormons are wrong.
Congratulations on having attained omniscience.
I am a "Mormon" and I have to say, reading these comments are entertaining. Seriously. I am firm in my beliefs and love the gospel. But some of you, serious or not, have written some pretty funny stuff. With that said, I love standing for something and having morals in a world that does not. I am all for free speech and expressing opinions, I am not offended. But, if you have written a "funny" comment with the intention of being mean I leave with one of my favorite quotes from a cartoon:
“Maybe we do believe in stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up. But I have a great time and I have a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don’t care if Joseph Smith made it all up. Because, what the church teaches now is: loving your family, being nice and helping people…All I ever did was try and be your friend, but youre so high and mighty you couldn’t look past my religion and be my friend back. You got a lot of growing up to do buddy, suck my balls”
sorry, in my extensive experience with mormons... they "love" you as long as you are like them or they think you will become exactly like them. As soon as they perceive either of those conditions to be untrue, it's finished. They are the most judgemental people and conditionally loving people I have ever met.
Hey, TNTMLNTHLEHLE..... or whatever your initials are – before you state your "facts" about Mormons, you might want to become at least a wee bit educated about their religion. It's apparent that you have a hatred towards them. Not sure why?.... have trouble as a child with another Mormon child? I love reading these idiotic comments. Quite entertaining... but sad!
Matt, you win the entire blog for including that south park quote. Congratulations!
Yeah, we know what KSL stands for= Killing Societal Lifestyles
Really really to bad .... I live in Utah (born and raised) Mormons are nothing but sheeple. They are happy to let KSL do this so they don't have to make the choice themselves. Don't get me wrong Mormons are some of the nicest people on earth and many of them are very well educated and intelligent, but they are use to a religion that tells them how to think and what to do from the cradle to the grave. "God" help the GOP with two Mormons running for the nomination...
I was born and raised in South Texas with Catholics and there are as many "sheeple" there as there are "sheeple" Mormons in Utah. So the Mormons don't have a monopoly on that concept. You will have sheeple regardless of where you live when there is one predominant religion.
The "sheeple" idea is not only insulting and stale, but it's also way off the mark.
I was raised in the Church, then left church activity for about a decade until I realized that my choices were making me miserable. But it wasn't easy to change my behaviors to get back into the Church. Being a mormon is HARD. It's a rigorous religion. It requires extraordinary dedication, discipline, effort, work, and sacrifice. These are not things that people do blindly. People who embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ do it because it is spiritually, intellectually and emotionally rewarding. It's much easier to give up and give in and go the way of the world.
Speaking of which, have you ever noticed how positively uniform people are in their non-conformity? I see a much more pronounced herd mentality in U.S. popular youth culture than in the Church of Jesus Christ.
... and Senator Harry Reid is also Mormon, but the majority of Liberals don't even know that.
Wait, I thought Mormons like polygamy. Hugh Hefner is like a Polygamy poster boy with his multiple "girlfriends"?
Finally, an organization with morals and standards.
if Joseph Smith lived in the twentieth century he woulda been Hugh Heffner. Dude just wanted to get LAID!!
i live in utah...but fortunately its in park city...which is sooo unlike the rest of utah which is governed by, and controlled, by old white ultra-conservative mormon men. ksl is owned by deseret industries which is a branch of the mormon church as is the newspaper, deseret news. while its doubtful that i would watch this tv series (looks kinda/sorta stupid) its a shame that those who would want to watch it will be unable to. if you think this is stupid, try understanding the liquor laws in this wacky state. if you dont want to see or watch something....well just choose not to.
Brian, I don't believe that you live in Park City or in Utah at all. Because if you did, you would know that Deseret Industries is a thrift store, not a media company. You'd also know that 30% of Utah State Senators are female (compared with 17% for the U.S. Senate) and 20% of Utah House members are female (compared with 18% in the U.S. House of Representatives. For comparison, the New York State Assembly is also 20% female.
So much for your theory.
The Deseret News is a newspaper owned by the Church, but none of the other 35 state-wide or community newspapers is owned by the Church.
Also, you obviously haven't set foot in the state for some time because the state's liquor laws have be normalized to the point that they are materially the same as the laws in about one-third of the other 50 states.
Finally, you also apparently didn't read the article because it points out that KSL is trying to find an affiliate to air the program, so those who WANT to watch it still have the choice, while the station itself is consistent with its values.
That same station also announced that it will also cut all victoria's secret commercials, as well as any by planned parenthood.
This is what happens when you let a religion play too big of a role in a society
Way to represent the US with your religious bigotry. I'll bet you all are so proud of yourselves.
Well, I guess the people that want to watch the show that live in SLC will just download the episodes from either NBC's website or through torrents. Way to lose out on the advertising!
I don't think they are afraid nobody will watch it.
As several people have mentioned, the LDS Church owns KSL, the local NBC affiliate. As a rational individual, you would think that a Church owning a commercial TV station is a little iffy. If they were to own their own station that is called KLDS then people wouldn't be upset because it is the Church that is owning it, not owning the affiliation of NBC, one of the 4 largest channels in the United States.
As Niki mentioned earlier, the LDS Church runs EVERYTHING in this state. Its bad if you aren't a Mormon, and even if you are and don't get along with official doctrine (which can change whenever due to the Prophet speaking directly to their God) then you are basically shunned by the ward in which you live. Independent thought seems to be almost discouraged in this state.
To sum everything up, this isn't surprising, there is nothing I can do to change it, and I will shortly be called ignorant and an uneducated heathen by the next few posters.
Why is it iffy for a church to own a TV or radio station? Is religious freedom no longer allowed in this nation simply because you don't agree with any given religion? If so, then the U.S. isn't the country for you, buddy.
Matt, "you are an ignorant, uneducated heathen!" Do you feel better now? All kidding aside, I feel bad that you seem to have had a horrible experience living in Utah. Move into my ward and I'll treat you like anyone else. We (mormons) have had a history (in general) for appearing to be cliquish and exclusive. It is not intentional. We strive to be as nice and as normal as possible.
BTW, does the church run the bars and strip clubs and smoke shops and CityWeekly too? If they did, none of them would be allowed to operate. I don't mean to be contrary and argumentative, but I must admit that I am tired of being portrayed as being unfriendly, brainwashed, myopic, and a freak just because I'm a member of a particular church. I believe I, and the majority of other Mormons (we are really members of the Church of Jesus Christ) try to be very kind, accommodating, reasonable, and open minded–I'm sorry if you met a few who weren't.
@Matt... I get what you're saying, but did you ever think of moving to another state? I'm just throwing it out there :)
Joseph Smith Lied. Religion is a joke. There is no God.
Eh. Who cares. Traditional TV should die anyway. Just about everything I want to watch, I can stream from various (legitimate) online services. That's where I'd like to see the viewing future go to.
I wish, man. Looks like they're going to use data caps to keep it alive though.
So, they're not going to air "The Playboy Club", but they ARE going to air the Miss USA pagent this week, which is just as degrading to women as any show about Playboy...moreso, since it's not a piece of fiction.
Kind of a meaningless gesture since anyone who wants to watch can just stream it from the NBC web site or HULU or any number of other sites.
So these people do not care if you marry a child bride and have multi-wives but they draw the line at a tv show? REALLY? It is not like this show will last more than a we epsiodes anyway,these type of shows never do.
Hi Todd. I'm assuming your joking. If you're not, please know that I am a "Mormon" and we obey the laws of the land. We cannot marry underage women or have more than one wife. In fact, we would be kicked out of our church if we did so. I get it that many people think we're nutty (I even think we're pretty funny sometimes), but we are not at all what the popular media portrays us to be.
Hey, Todd –
Yep, ignorance is running rampant on this blog. Child brides? Hmmmm....... read your history and get some facts straight before you post such idiotic comments.
Mormons and Scientologists are nutbags.
but, guess what?
so are Muslims, Christians and Jews.
the chosen people follow Zeus.
To hell with Zeus, Crom gave me the strength to punch out the teeth of that guy in accounting who banged my wife.
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!
Zod, Zeus, Crom, Beezle be damned. Thor is he who should be worshipped. Anyone that bases a belief in himself and his family with Warring, beer and whoring is A1 in my book. Of course, giving up your right eye for knowledge is kinda steep a price to pay.
Maybe the Church of the Holy, Divine Lightsaber is looking for new recruits. I could deal with a little Sithly evil on the side.
Yes, let a bunch of idiots who believe in a religion founded by a guy who dug up some gold plates and translated them into a hat, then conned everyone into thinking Jesus took a three-day sabbatical with Squanto while he was in the tomb.
The entire state is full of brainwashed lunatics.
Now let's not get carried away here. The entire state isn't full of brainwashed lunatics, just the entire mormon church. Not everyone in Utah is a mormon after all. I live in Utah and I'm atheist. I know a few other atheists and a few catholics too. The mormon religion is ridiculous, maybe even more ridiculous than other christian religions, but it doesn't seem that way to most of them because the church and their parents start brainwashing them sooooo early. As soon as they can talk in most cases.
In regards to KSL refusing to run the playboy show, I don't know why anyone is surprised. The mormons own KSL. Just as they own the newspaper and Main St. in Salt Lake. It's difficult to find a media outlet in Utah that isn't mormon controlled. Even if the mormons don't own it, the people who run it are probably mormon so you have basically the same result. Same thing with the schools. There is mormon bias EVERYWHERE here. The teachers are mostly mormon, the school staff and administrators are mormon. Now that I've typed this message I'm thinking maybe I need to move.
Could not have said it better myself.
Your argument is ridiculous, Bryan sir. For one, the gold plates were not translated into a hat, they were translated into a book. Second, we Mormons don't believe Jesus visited the native Americans while he was in the tomb, we believe he visited them AFTER he was in the tomb. Y'know, he was resurrected? He visited the Hebrews again, as well as other people (according to the Book of Mormon.) In the Bible, Peter says that during his three days in the tomb, Christ's spirit was in the spirit world teaching people there, and that is what we believe. Please know what you're talking about before you decide to be an expert on something, it makes life nicer for everyone.
Poor Bryan – must be on Meth or something. Pretty funny comments but reading such idiotic posts make me wonder about the intelligence (if ANY) of the writer. Nothing in your post is even close to the facts..... but that's ok, you must have heard it somewhere out there and that must make it true. Nice to see that BIGOTS are alive and well in the USA. Poor guy, wonder where all of your hatred comes from? Bad childhood?
Unless NBC is worried about that, all too important, 'weird religious people' demographic- this shouldn't be an issue.
Oh them silly Mormons
Censorship at its finest.
The ship may not yet be sinking but I'm starting to look for a life-jacket!
Im telling ! MOOOM ! MOOOOOOOM ! MOM ?
you tell em kyle ! cartman plays with dolls !
My mom said they are all jewz really. With little pouches of jew gold around their neck.
I thought your mom was too busy getting bagged by the whole town and making german scheisse films to know anything about my people.
NOWAY KENNY ! YOU SUUUK !
Who is this little eric person? His posts make absolutely no sense. Must be a 3rd or 4th grader that hacked into his mom's computer. Interesting posts, dude!
well you can't spell mormon without moron.
you also cannot spell it without the second 'm'.
I saw the southpark episode 7 times. I know more about them that you will ever know. They try to be real nice to you then you find out the real truth they are hiding. THEY REALLY ARE NICE ! :)
So is polygamy still cool out there? I've been trying to float the idea of a new wife to the current one, but she's a bit cool to the idea. If I move to utah and convert can I find someone to convince her its Gods will that I marry that hot 18 year old down the street? Also if I pull it off, is wrong if one wife, you know, loves the other one? Like LOVES the other one.
I agree with you good Cora. What we do is our business. These people need to look at their own lives before casting judgement on us.
There is nothing wrong with our or any church sponsoring a television station. We are just trying to spread good morals in OUR community. If you live in Arizona or New Jrsey it isnt any of your concern.
"We are just trying to spread good morals in OUR community"
yeah. that's why every week I read about another Mormon financial scammer in Utah getting indicted. and it aint "spread", it's FORCE your morals
Good morals? I lived in a heavily LDS area. My son's (Mormon) kindergarten teacher allowed a (mormon) classmate to punch him in the stomach because my (non-mormon) son, who is also physically handicapped, "deserved it." When "the church" dictates that everything you do, you do in the name of the church, there are no true morals.
So what if we have a magic hat. That is none of your business. Just shutup.
Why isn't it other peoples' business to know what Mormons believe? Mormons have over 50,000 full time missionaries out in the world at any given time, so it seems like the Mormons believe it's everyone's business to know what they believe. You should answer peoples' questions instead of freaking out.
I live in this market. KSL is owned by the LDS church, which is problem #1. It seems fishy for a church to own a commercial television station in the first place. Problem #2 is that apparently they have decided that all their viewers are idiots who can't choose for themselves whether a TV show is garbage or not. There's this new invention – it's called the "off" button, and most TVs have them these days. Most people know how to use them. How about letting people choose for themselves? If you don't like something, you don't have to boycott it. Just change the channel. Ratings will take care of the rest.
There is another invention you may have heard of called the "channel" button. If you don't like KSL and the content they are or are not willing to show, change the channel. They have every right in the world to determine what is in the best interest of their demographic. In fact, that is why the Playboy show is airing in the first place...because someone decided that it is what the entire nation is interested in, but they are wrong.
john or joe. still the truth. look it up if you dont believe about the magic hat.
If Moses parted the Red Sea with a magical wooden staff I will give this one to you. I would invite you to read the Book of Mormon instead of make assumptions about things you have heard.
SteveW, did Joseph Smith not dictate his first foray into the realm of make believe to his aquaintance, who doubting Smith, told said Smith that he lost the papers, and needed Smith to retell him what he had dictated the night before.
Being as he made it all up (Smith), he couldn't, so he started over and created a whole NEW line of BS that is now taken for the WORD by mormons today.
Good for you. You believe in a philosophy that was made up by a guy claiming to be the voice of God. Welcome to the world of religion. P.T.Barnum has a saying for all of you. "A sucker is born every minute."
Get your facts straight, people. Joseph Smith did not use a magic hat, he used a seeing stone. He merely used his hat to shade his eyes to help him see through the stone. Seeing stones were commonly believed in by frontier Americans in the early 19th century (Joseph Smith's day). Also, stones with extraordinary properties are mentioned in the Bible, and therefor are not foreign to Christian cannon, which would make the notion that they exist acceptable to Western culture, as Western culture is founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. If it's acceptable to believe in angels, then it is acceptable to believe in "magic" stones or anything else the Bible mentions.
Wrong Blakhart!! The man you talk of took the manuscript to be examined by an expert of the time (1820-1830). That manuscript was then lost. In order to preserve the truthfulness of the book and because conspiring people could then change the lost manuscript the Book of Mormon starts where the lost manuscript ended. The lost manuscript dealt with most likely the life of the people in the Book of Mormon prior to the time where the Book of Mormon begins. Before spouting off your purposed knowledge of a subject, please don't accept rumors and inuendos without researching the subject that you propose to destroy. I am glad you don't do anything important based on the amount of research you have done here. It might just be catastrophic!!!
Evidently Blakhart, Barnum was talking about YOU!!!!!
Actually, I have read a bit of the Book of Mormon. I conclude it was written with The Bible in mind. Doesn't make it true.
How can an intelligent person actually believe in this Mormon nonsense? It's so oppressive to those who do not believe exactly what the church proclaims. Then when the belief becomes not popular, it's as if it never existed. Polygamy, Black People are demons, getting your own planet when you die?
Religions give you paradise in death because they want power during your life. That's all they care about.
They needn't have bothered- the show may last three episodes.
OK Chris, your talking like the country has fallen into a demoralized state just recently. I hate to tell you this but it's nothing new. BTW any self respecting pervert would never leave a Playboy out in plain view, it's far too tame. Now, a bondage magazine would be far more appropriate.
I think we may have hit a nerve. Chris must be one o them mormons. That or a Mitt Romney supporter. Maybe he is just a natzi. Wasnt the original book of mormon called the proverbs of saataan ?
No...it wasn't. :)
Really? Natzi? That just shows your ignorance right there. Thanks for playing.
KSL can't even let their viewers decide for themselves!
the Mormon church OWNS KSL. they also refused to air a poker program
Yeah! Let's talk crap on people who stand up for what they believe in! That's soooooo creeeeepy. Geez, I just don't know what this country would turn into if more people stood up for something they believed to be not right. Change the channel if you want to watch the show, or spend some alone time by yourself in the bathroom. Just dont talk crap on people who choose not to give into the demorilization of our country. At one point in our country, playboys were something you hid under your bed, not something displayed for the family to see on tv.
Turning the channel is a choice. Censorship is oppression.
I can tell you don't live in Utah. (I do)
I think lack of morals is an unfortunate part of the Mormon past. Your good buddy Brigham Young ordered the slaughter of an innocent Arkansas wagon train. Polygamy was only abolished so Utah to become part of the Union not because it was wrong.
Censorship is un-American. Don't like it, don't watch. If no one watches, ratings drop and it goes away. Simple.
I'm with Butterbean!
A station choosing not to broadcast a show is not "censorship." Censorship is when the government tells you that you cannot view a show. Sheesh, people, at least have an idea what you're talking about.
Ridiculous ideas need to be ridiculed. "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -H.L. Mencken
Hey Eric, the last time I checked anyone that told me I can't watch something whether its the government or not is absolutely censorship! This is discraceful, what are we China?! For the longest time I thought Texas should be the first to be booted out of our great country, but now Utah is looking like a more appropriate candidate.
Hey Adam....RTFA, it's not hard, go ahead and try it. But since you obviously failed to get even 100 words into the article before you had to vent your outrage, why don't I make it easy for you?
"However, KSL and NBC are trying to find a way to air the show on another channel for that market."
They don't want to air it but are working with NBC to find a way to get it on another channel. Happy? A little less TV, a little more time reading might do you some good.
Mormons are waaaaaay creeeeeeepy !
John Smith heard sataanicc voices coming out of a hat. He wrote down what they said. This became their book.
Its joseph smith. And based on that, I think we can all ignore the rest of your fact-less comment. Thanks for nothing.
He got the name wrong but everything else is right. Tell me, stevew, whatever happened to those gold tablets he found? Did anybody else ever see them? Have you? Nobody's ever seen them- but he got plenty of gullible people with histall tales and lies. This country breeds weird religious cults like this. Pretty horrifying.
bro, don't knock the book. it just won 9 Tony Awards
Obviously Sean Russell you have not even cracked the Book of Mormon open. On the first few pages are witness testimonies of 11 people who did actually see and touch the plates!!! Some of these men actually left the Mormon Church but have NEVER denied their testimonies of the plates that you refer. Before inserting foot in mouth do a miniscule amount of research, turn 3 or 4 pages and then realize you have spoken from a position of ignorance!!!
What is everyone talking about? The Book of Mormon was written by Jesus. Why are there so many blasphemers spouting heresy in this world?
I'm seeing and touching the golden plates right now... part of the secret is you have to be wearing your magical underwear...
You are an idiot. Do your homework before you show the world how ignorant you truly are.
Sean Russell... I suppose the 10 commandments are in the Smithsonian?
I keep the Book of Mormon right next to my King James Bible, just in case I experience a bathroom tissue shortage.
Yes, foregoing another opportunity for the objectification of women as the play-things of weathy men is a real tragedy.
M O R M O N S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
We're here! We're square! Get used to it!
I want to pee on those women.
Its them mormons. And that republocan guy running for pres is one. Mitt Romney. Hope they wont put everyone in jail for not tucking in our shirts.
Hey "2 ears"...you're brilliant. Just wanted you to know. You probably don't hear that too much, eh? (lets try to spell check and maybe not write sentences like a complete moron? kthanksbye.
Hey Other Guy – if you are going to call someone a moron for misspelling and such, make sure you check your grammar and close your parentheses.
2 Ears, you're right on target. The Mormons, like all the other right-wing extremist "christians" howl about less government and more freedom, until it comes to the stuff THEY want to censor, like this show, access to abortion and birth control, etc. This is what will ultimately bring down the "right": the fact that their beliefs have no internal consistency. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. A Romney/Bachman ticket should keep Obama safely in office 'till 2016. :-)
and what the hell is with this rewriting of history??? Black women were NOT allowed to work in the playboy clubs in the 50's. Hugh Heffiner is a well known white supremist..has he ever slept with a brunette??? Hmmm?
In fact, black women WERE hired way back in the '60s, and were even referred to as "chocolate bunnies".
@Truth Hurts: Hefner definitely prefers blondes, but YES he has dated many brunettes, most notably Barbie Benton in the 1970's, with whom he had a steady relationship for several years. He is also said to have dated brunettes Joni Mattis, Joyce Nizzari, Carol Imhof, and many others, including a Ukranian model in recent years (her name escapes me at the moment).
You're exactly right. The Morons...I mean Mormons own KLS 5. They don't even show SNL on that network. Have to go the CW to watch SNL. It's so sad really, but what can you do? They control the entire state. Can't stand it.
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