Nicole Kidman stars as a mother dealing with the pain of losing a child in the movie “Rabbit Hole,” but in real life, she’s dealt with the difficulty of being separated from her kids.
She revealed in an interview with Hello! magazine that the two children she adopted with Tom Cruise, Isabella, now 18, and Connor, 15, spend most of their time with their dad.
The 48-year-old actor lives in Los Angeles with wife Katie Holmes and daughter Suri, 4, whereas Kidman has made her home in Nashville with husband Keith Urban and their two-year-old daughter, Sunday Rose.
“They live with Tom, which was their choice,” Kidman, 43, told the magazine. "I'd love [for] them to live with us, but what can you do?"
She explained to Marie Claire magazine in 2007 that the reason Isabella and Connor chose to live in L.A. after Kidman and Cruise separated was because, well, the California city is a "big draw" for kids.
"When children are teenagers, they have a say in where they want to be," Kidman said at the time. As for their upbringing? "Yes, they're being raised as Scientologists," she told Marie Claire. "I don't want to go there."
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Scientologist are a bunch of enema loving, freaks of nature! Poor kids are being raised in psychoville, by their fruit-cake father.
I think that Nicole and Tom's daughter Isabella is 18, and Connor is 15, at age 18, Isabella is considered an adult and could for all intents and purposes, go and live with Keith and Nicole in Nashville. Maybe the reason that the 2 kids didn't want to leave LA is because they were established there, they probably had friends and were doing well in school, and at the age they were, it would have been hard to leave all that. If Isabella now has plans for college, she could go anywhere she wants to, she certainly isn't required to stay in LA, maybe the older they both get, they will realize that it's important to spend time with their Mom and be able to have a relationship with her, and be out from under Tom's influence.
It should be pretty cut and dry, if they jointly adopted the kids there should have been some legal agreement during the divorce. Did he force her to relinquish sole custody to him? I wonder just what legal rights she has, she should have some sort of spelled out visitation, decision making, etc. A total lack of comment on that seems to imply she signed it away maybe.
There are so many horrory stories about families and Scientology it's frightening. I don't mean the pampered, sanitized, keep celebrities happy at any costs scientology, but the real scientoogy that 99% of it's members have to deal with. It really is a dangerous cult.
Sorry. Everything doesn't have to be a court battle. The parents gave their children an option where they want to live and Nicole said California is a big draw for teenagers. Of course, there are Hollywood stars, parties, clubs, nightlife, beaches, lots of entertainment. That is what is on the mind of any teenager thinking about where they'd be most comfortable. Why have a litigious court battle? California laws give more freedom to children. Nicole and Tom were right to let their children decide.
She Dont want her kids around. Its quite clear . What gets me is People who dont' raise there own kids go out and have more.
I predict sort of unwarranted 4chan out-lash for no apparent reason.
but I guess that's just my opinion.
I don't care for Nicole's stance. Her kids aren't with her, because she didn't want them. They were not teenagers, at the time of the divorce. Also, she could have lived in LA too. duhhh. to be near her kids. But, with that said...her kids are better off without her, if she doesn't want them. Say what you want about Tom, but I really think he's a good dad. At least he's there for them. I remember pictures of him at their soccer games. At least he puts forth the effort.
I still think Tom put his foot down and said the children would stay with him. He seems extremely controlling and demanding and I think that was the deal from the get go and that's why she left. Tom is a weirdo and prays to aliens, anyone in their right mind would leave, actually run away!!!
Tom was the one who always wanted kids, wasn't he? Nicole was said to not be able to have them-remember the tabloids back then? Perhaps he wanted to adopt more than she did. And maybe she just didn't want to have kids with him.
I mean she has a child now, right? With a more suitable partner and lifestyle. The media makes her seem happy. And Cruise seems to have found a better mate. One who didn't mind producing the "tie that binds" with him. I guess she doesn't mind having these 2 other kids in the picture. I hope theirs is a good life. They're with the parent they chose-the parent who "chose" (adopted) them.
Even as teens, if these are minors, then how they live (what rules they follow) is the decision of the custodial parent-Cruise in this case.
These kids live with Cruise-so that must be what both adoptive parents want. I don't read regret in this article, except about the Scientology thing. Which religion isn't weird-and riskly for kids these days, for that matter. It seems you can't trust any religious authority figure when it comes to your child's mental or physical safety.
They're all cults, scams.
HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE JUDGE THIS WOMAN. TO BE HONEST I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY PHOTOS OF TOM WITH THE CHILDREN, ALOT OF PHOTOS WITH KATI AND SURI...I AM SURE NICOLE HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH HER CHILDREN FYI SHE OWNS A HOME IN LA AND SHE SPENDS TIME WITH HER KIDS GET OFF HER BACK GET A LIFE A FRIEND OF MINE MEET HER AND SAI D SHE IS ASWEET AND BEAUTIFUL PERSON BE KIND.LETS ALL CLEAN THE S#!*T OUT OF OUR OWN BACKYARD BEFORE WE CAST JUDGEMENT ON HER....WHAT WOULD JESUS DO
Well said!!!! Nicole I'd change to any religion to be with you, sweetie
Frankly, I think that Nicole shows alot of class in not letting the 'whole world' know their personal business. This whole thread is proof of how people can be so quick to jump to conclusions, speculate, and be just plain 'judgemental' and mean spirited. It's really NO ONES business but theirs. And as for the 'religion' aspect of this thread: this is exactly why there are so many different beliefs. No one can agree. But, the truth is, there IS, WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE only ONE creator. Jesus is his son who came to save and deliver us from our sinful selves. The Gospel of John 3:39 states: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but he who does not obey the Son of God shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." This is not Religion. This is faith. Faith is an entirely different thing. AND, it sure has worked for me in my life. I'll just pray for these young ones that Tom and Nicole adopted and hope that they will hear His voice and seek that truth. Revelation 3:20 states: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any one hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me."
Mr. Tom, Christianity was a faith long before the Bible was written.
I would like to know the REAL reason they got a divorce and why the children are with Tom. Tom has so much money, he could have tied the case up in court for years in a custody case. She appears much happier now and whenever you see Conner & Isabella, they arent smiling. I am baffled by the whole Scientology cult scenerio and why so many people are drawn to it. Tom is pretty strange but he made some awesome movies. To each his own!!
I'm worn out reading all the bad-mouthing of Nicole Kidman, when the truth of the matter is none of us know what transpired. Tom wanted out of the marriage partly because Nicole didn't embrace Scientology, so he accused her of having an affair which she denied. It didn't matter to Tom. I would guess he's the one that told her she could not see the children (he's got a lot of power). So, he went and picked out young Katie Holmes and molded her into what he wanted.
It's not right to be so judgemental of one person when you have no idea what's going on.
My sentiments exactly Maryann. Well said.
As a child of divorced parents, I think that I can comment on this. I was 13 when I chose to live with my father. My mother wasn't happy about it. Being his daughter for the weekend wasn't enough. I chose to make that decision because I wanted to know who my father was. I missed out on a lot of things I would have experienced if I stayed with my mom, but I would have missed out on knowing who my dad was too. I'll never regret that decision.
I applaud Ms. Kidman for recognizing her children's right to live with their father. Adopted or not, they are still Mr. Cruise and Ms. Kidman's kids. Regardless of what religion they practice, I'm sure they love their children. ALL of them. I don't believe Ms. Kidman 'lost' her children. It was a choice they made and she, like my mother, recognized that they needed this oportunity to get to know their father better. It shows just how much she loves her children.
As for Scientology, Ms. Kidman is being smart about this too. She may not agree with what the religion teaches, but she is (if we read between the lines) is allowing her children to make their minds up about that as well.
One last note before I step off of my soap box. I have seen the effects of parents using children against each other. In the end, the children lose as well as the parents. Children resent their parents in one form or another. However, children that have two loving parents, who set aside their differences, for the sake of their children, tend to raise children who are well rounded individuals capable of making sound decisions as adults themselves. Kudos to both Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise for keeping it civil. It is much easier for their children that they do.
So, to the one who commented that scientology started after a book was released...not realizing that all religions come from books, created by skilled writer(s). I don't mind if someone worhips Harry Potter but as long as it makes them reasonable in their acts, who cares.
I can relate. My teen chooses Dad of me everytime. I'm the strick parent with rules and I expect him to be respectful and good in school. Dad is the fun parent who is willing to have sleepovers on school nights and buys him what ever he wants. Am I the bad guy because my Son chooses the easy life over the morals I want to instill in him? He is almost 16 and I feel as though I don't even know him, because he refuses to talk to me.
I think it can be very hard for some people to bond with their own naturally born children and adoptions for that very reason could be even harder. I also think sometimes adoptions are the easy way out for people literally too lazy to have their own children and the ladies don't want to lose their figure.
She is one cold fish...children not wanting to live with their mom! It says plenty about the attention she gave them along the years.
She must be one bat-s%$ crazy melonfarmer if the kids willingly choose to go live with Tom. Hell, he is not even 5'8".
To be fair, Scientology is just as stupid as any other religion
it shouldn't matter where mom or dad is so long as they have the means to provide the support necessary for their children.
but most here are also missing the mark. the children were adopted young. most children; not all; have reactive attachment disorders that make it very difficult to bond with the mother. it's a lot of heartache & not mentioned in the world of celebs. children w/ rad would choose the dad in this case. they would allow mom to 'visit'. & sending a child to boarding school would alleviate the stress that this disorder would then give the dad since now he is the target of their anger.
Glad she is happy again.
I think if Nicole is okay with it, so be it. Maybe she is fine with just seeing them now and then. I mean, sometimes the father chooses to give custody to the mom, right? We don't go "OH my God, he gave his kids away so easily?" Why does Nicole have to be the best mother. Maybe she is just a good mother....maybe at the time she didn't want to be the "end all and be all " mother anymore b/c she was really hurt by the divorce and she needed to "get herself together" maybe now she sees the kids are fine with her ex and doesn't want to cause trouble for them. One never hears she is a bad mom, or a run around, or a drug addict. She never has bad puclicity so, what's the big deal?
Yes a Hebrew college would be the best ,for the children.
The only thing wrong with the above article is the fact that her children are being raised as Scientologists. That isn't even a religion, it's based on the deluded ramblings of some whack job ex-hippie, probably induced by too many drugs. But of course people consider it 'cool' if celebrities endorse it, just like they do anything else. Nicole has done what many many many parents are forced to do in a divorce situation, if the children are old enough to make decisions. She let them choose where/who they wanted to live with. I applaud her for getting on with her life and not speaking badly of her ex husband for the sake of their children, that is the mature, adult thing to do. And really, with all of her money and Tom's money combined, do you really think it matters if she lives in Nashville or L.A? Those kids can get on a private plane and see their mom whenever they want and vice versa. They probably see their mom more than kids with families who are divorced that live in the same town. And I truly believe she loves those children. How can anyone say she doesn't? Because she refuses to have pictures of her and her kids taken together? Because her teenage kids aren't shown hugging or kissing her? What teenager hugs and kisses their mom in front of a camera? I believe that she is leaving the door open for them to come 'back' to her when they finally shake off Tom's brainwashing.
I think it is pretty obvious they would choose Tom. I think it is pretty obvious too that Nicole made it clear to them they should choose Tom.
My exwife did the same thing, she moved away. Because I'm prideful, a sin I know, I have to say I threw her out, she didn't leave me. In her defense she was glad I did and never argued the decision. I said leave, she left. Anyway though; I believe her reaction to it made it very clear to the kids which of us they should choose to live with. She had a job, she had money, she could have chosen to live somewhere they'd feel welcome. She IMMEDIATELY moved in with a man. Not just any man though, one they knew, one they knew hated my guts. I knew the minute I found out about that I didn't even need to ask them where they would want to live. I never did ask them, and I was right. They stayed with me, visited her when I told them to. When the judge asked them privately in his chambers I know now (judge said so later) they all told him they wanted to live with dad and visit mom.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know kids want stability. I mean I know that and I'm not that smart a guy. I've raised kids though and I do read a little, and I studied some about parenting (since I am one, might as well learn something on the way) , so I knew in advance my exwife was making mistakes that would cost her custody.
Also I was getting reports from my kids that they were disturbed that their mother was saying horrible things about me. I knew that wasn't working for her either. I tried numerous times to tell her that. I even flat out told her at one point that it was doing the opposite. I told her you aren't teaching them to hate me and you never will, they are offended at you. What is worse is THEY told her. On one occasion she had been bad mouthing me to a friend of hers, a friend who was a stranger to them. That turned so ugly the cops got called because my oldest son lost his temper about it.
Yet she still didn't learn. The funny thing (it's not funny at all I'm just not good with words) is she constantly tells people I have turned them against her. They have never endured an incident like the previous one I described while in my possession. They've never heard me say a bad word about their mother to anybody, including them. They HAVE heard me talk bad about her TO her in a fight. I won't go so far as to say that is all right, but I'm not losing sleep over it either.
She has all the money and likes to brag about it. She has our 8 year old daughter asking me "who's winning the race?" I say "what race?" She says "between you and mom, who makes more money?"
I make a little more than their mom. (we have 3) But I am single and I have to tell my 8 year old daughter that "mom is winning, I make more than her, but between her and her boyfriend they make more than me"
following this up... so so fan of cruise... more of a fan of kidman and scientology (sp) is not my cup of tea... but we should not be so naive to think that media articles and interviews and that insightful... 99 percent of the time they are shaped by the questions and editing... an article/interview may only be several pages in length but the interview may of been over several days with numerous ... maybe 10-1 ratio to what was asked and said to what ended up printed or taped. also beliefs such as followers of scientology can come in many colors and flavors... same with christian, muslim, etc... bottom line if it gets one through the day without harming others... lets try to back off from character assassination that as a society have become so quick to use
pretty much all of you posting... like me... know really nothing about the personal lives of kidman and cruise... except for the little scraps that the media tosses out... and so many profess your insights to us all...
I think Nicole should be a little ashamed about Connor and Isabella. I feel like she abandoned those children as well. And her excuse about not wanting to move teen is BS considering those kids were just 9 and 11 when they broke up. If she wanted the kids, as a mother, she could have gone to court for them.
That said, they are being raised as $cientologists. a scary cult that takes peoples lives in exchange for labor and money (Google how the 'drones' of the cult all dress alike and live in a compound in Florida and have NO contact with anyone in their lives who isn't a CLAM). Those of you defending the cult should be ashamed of yourselves....take time and Google to interview from Playboy magazine with L Ron Hubbard's son.
Anyway, I am sure when Tom and Nicole split, he'd already had papers drawn up saying the kids would be his if they divorced. If Nicole was any type of mother, she would have fought him tooth and nail. I would have. Even if the cult threatened me (which they probably did to her).
Run Katie....save little Suri before it's too late. That child still has a chance whereas poor Connor and Isabella are probably already brainwashed.
are you serious? living with him? OK that's fine but raising them in a phony fake religion. thats where you draw the line. but then again naming your kid sunday rose... you sure she's not the crazy one
I can't even imagine the pain of watching your kids live with an ex who happened to be involved with the Scientology kooks.
my brothers, sisters and myself (7) was raise by a single mom and non of us are criminals. So the people who are talking about been raised by single mom make you criminal dont know what they are talking about. I raised my daughter as a single mom and i had no problem with her she is in college and doing great.. There are kids that are raised by both parents and single dads and dont turn out so great as well as by single mom.
What a classy lady! She should have a lot more of children, to extend her earth legacy.
About the poor rich-Tom, what can you say... I am so tired of him. Hey Tom, get lost would you? Take your cult and go to Jonestown, something, but take care do not drink any orange juice over there, neither you nor any of your fellows, hear?... whatever.
Yea that Tom Cruise. Total whack job I tell you. I remember one time he was in town. I picked him up in front of the Chelsea on 23rd street. He must talked the entire ride across town about his stupid scientologly. I totally tuned him out but was even more frustrated when he left me a buck tip on a $42 dollar fare. I tell you what, if I ever pick that Mission Impossible, couch jumping, race car driving, fighter jet flying samurai again, I'm gonna sock him straight in the mouth.
You think it really matters – there is so many layers of nanny in either of their lives that the kids are probably better off in the scientology dungeon – who could possibly care anyway?
Kids are so overated. Same thing happened to me - my kids decided to be with their abusive and fat, no morals or values, and just a poor excuse of a mother– and spend no time with me at all. It's sad how kids are so easily manipulated by the wrong people.
I agree with those who point out that none of us know the whole story. We really don't need to. That situation is a family matter. The reason Nicole made a comment on the older children now is because she's promoting a movie about losing a child and is being asked in interviews. If Nicole said, "No comment", when asked about her older children this message board would be critical of that as well. Nicole's answers were brief regarding the kids living with Tom out of privacy and respect for the whole family. I know for fact that Keith has been clean and sober for a long time now. Keith is an honest, hardworking guy who loves his family. Nicole is a warm, caring person. Every family has issues and we should not judge others no matter what religion we believe in.
I'm sorry, but you don't decide to leave your mother just because you'd rather live in California. There's more to this story than she's telling, which is fine because it's her business – but there's more to this story.
Also, they're 18 and 15, which is well past the age of emancipation. They're not "little children" by anybody's definition of the word. Again, you don't spend your ENTIRE childhood with the only mother you've ever known, and as soon as you're old enough to book your own flight you skip town, unless something else is going on. Period.
Nicole showed selfishness all the way when it came to these children. If any agreement took place that left these children with Tom it showed that either she did not want kids or other secrets were involved that she did not want them disclosed as they could have destroyed her career. So either reason she did chose at the expense of children. Nicole herself said in an interview recently while promoting Rabbit Hole that she was too young mentally and physically when the two children were adopted as a result she was not ready to be a mom and is a different mom now. That is so sad for these two adopted children to hear and the fault rest mostly to the adoption agencies who give children to people at such a young age – the fact that they have money should not be the main factor on giving children. There might be some rules on age and how much time the parents are supposed to spend with this children. The fact is that Nicole and Tom were making movies all the time and kids were reaised by their nannies. After the divorce Nicole could ahev chosen to spend more time with kids by visiting the, But she chose to date as many men as possible and make as many movies as possible. Now that she reached 40 she really wanted to have a biological child as her biological clock was ticking. Nicole is the most selfish human being on earth. Period.
well, she does not care. She bought them with the old husband and now have one on her own. So who cares where do they go ? Tom has enough respect that He took them. Don't buy a kid if you don't want them !!! Look at Elton and his gay buddy just bought one for x-mas ? Isn't it wonderful ? When the kid starts talking what will he say 1st ? Mommy or Daddy ? Hmm.... no Mommy here buddy you guy GrandPa and Pa... choose !!!
Sick world we live in.
Nicole had plenty of options after the divorce to keep the children in her life. She could have gone to the courts to apply for joint custody, or, at the very least, access. Leaving LA didn't mean she couldn't see the children, she had the means to fly back to visit, and she could have kept a home in LA for such a purpose. Choosing to reside in Australia was a selfish choice because it made it almost impossible to keep in close contact, although she could have arranged for the children to join her in Australia for the summer months. Now that she lives in Nashville she has no excuse why she can't fly to LA and spend time with the kids. As for the children becoming Scientologists, if Nicole had joint custody she would have had a say in what religion they were brought up in. In every possible way she seems to have taken the easy way out. As for her biological daughter, Sunday Rose, Nicole's comments in interviews do seem to suggest that she doesn't place much thought or emphasis on her other kids.
Nicole Kidman is Roman Catholic, so yes, she would not want to discuss the Scientology angle.
I read somewhere that the adopted children live in LA with Tom Cruise's sister in a home apart from their father. Wow. What a mess. Ordinary people would be turned in to social services. And kids can have "a say" in where they would like to live if their original custody agreement goes back to court. Kids can't "decide" at a certain age where they want to live. Lots of weekend parents use that as a ploy. If kids could "decide" what was best for them we wouldn't need lawyers or courts or judges.
That religious status of a person should not qualify or disqualify them from being a good, loving parent. I personally don't see the difference in forcing a child to believe in the fictious religion of scientology compared to the catholic religion which also is based upon a lot of far fetched stories. The important thing is that the kids are being cared for properly and the children are the ones who made the choice on where they want to be once they were old enough to make an educated decision.
Watch the South Park Scientology episode, and also the youtube videos of the lady in Britain who had a hidden camera in her purse during her visit to the local Scientology center. At that point, ask yourself if you would want your kids involved with those psychopaths.
my, my... so much moral judgementalising... and some of it coming undoubtedly from people who themselves helped to bring down a marriage in which there were dependent children needing both mother and father in their lives. it's a bit underhanded to 'normalize' divorce and from that position take pot shots at the former partner to the marriage for not bringing in 'a good divorce'. especially if she didn't want it in the first place.
She long ago admitted not bonding with them, and them calling her Nicole and not Mom.
After the divorce the children were never with her. She never mentioned them again, And no interviewer asked her about her kids because she always demanded that no interviewer ask her about it. Even now she'lll go on Regis and Kelly and talk about her "daughter Rose", as though her other kids were dead.
Her children were very young when she divorced and according to the LAW she could have demanded shared custody, but SHE gave custody to Tom, in some sort of agreement that we will never know, but her being a worse mother than a cat had something to do with it, and, of course, Tom wanting them totally devoted to him and Scientology without sharing, which she could have fought but did NOT CARE to...
I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR NICOLE KIDMAN FOR NOT FIGHTING FOR SHARED CUSTODY WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE, WHICH WAS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
HEY, you should know that all is fair in love and war. Marriage is a brutal, bloody, horrible war. You want an allied union? Go to Iraq.
That's because Nicole is an 'SP' Scientology lingo for 'Suppressive Person'. The Cult of Scientology owns buildings all over Hollywood and if you do research on that charlatan Hubbard, you'll find out some incredibly weird shiit. They have mastered the art of surveillance and filing lawsuits and harassing ex-members to the extreme. David MisCavige was the best man at Nicole and Tom's wedding and at Katie's Satanic ritual. Check out 'Anonymous' and XenuTV about their methods – it's standard operating procedure to cut ex-member's out of their families lives. If they want to inherit his fortune, they better become Operating Thetans Level 7 !!!
hey.........ever think this is none of our business?
Ms Nicole a nice and beautiful woman. I know she will find a new, good man in her time. I will be here for you Nicole!
I wish they would get their facts straight. Nicole and Tom divorced in 2001 and the children continued to live with her wherever she was working (which was largely New York in those years) and in Australia when she wasn't. Then around the time Tom remarried they started living full time with their father in Los Angeles. I believe it was their choice and that Tom probably provided strong incentives for them to choose LA. I feel bad for Nicole and admire her for not setting the record straight when she is portrayed as someone who gave up her adopted children to start a new life. But if you followed the story over the years, that's what happened.
God, you are all so stupid. Speculations about "what the court decided" as if Tom and Nicole are run of the mill idiots wrangling through a custody dispute. "The court decides" only when stupid people force the court to decide. Most people come to some kind of mediated agreement about custody, and we know that this is what Tom and Nicole did. There WAS NO court battle. When their children became teenagers they chose to live with their father. It is quite common for children to live with their mother when they are younger and chose to live with their father when they are teenagers. How can anyone realistically think this is a reflection on either parent unless they are just ignorant?
You can yell all you want about religion and parenting and freedoms and on and on and on! Let's be real here. The kids are what, 15 and 18? It's all about who has the neatest toys at the coolest house near the best malls. The kids can think for themselves and right now the number one thought is "HOW COOL IT THAT!?"
WOW, It's interesting how many people are quick to condemn others for choices they make without knowing a fraction of these people's true lives. VrM..I appreciate your clarity. Thank you.
I find all of these comments inappropriate. None of us really knows a damm thing about Nicole, Tom, Keith or any of the children other than what the media and paparazzi put out there. What right do any of us have to judge others in their pain and sorrow? Good lawyers, bad lawyers, vindictive, manipulative..... who made what choices and under whose program and direction.
A mother who can allow herself to walk away and NOT FIGHT over the children, which only hurts the children..... is a hero in my book. Selfless enough to suffer the pain and let the children have peace and a choice.
There are many many cults in the U.S. The very definition of a cult includes 'brain washing'. Nicole refused to talk about Scientology, not once did she put them down or make a disparaging remark in the interview presented for discussion!!!
Respect for other people's choices, and learning to mind our own business when we simply don't have any facts. Please.
You're right, I don't know much about Tom or Nicole personally. I have done a significant amount of research on Scientology, however, and am convinced that anyone involved with the group has serious, serious issues.
Nicole didn't have a chance with her kids. Tom immediately got them into Scientology and the were heavily indoctrinated as little ones from the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised as a part of the marriage or adoption Tom included that they would be raised as Scientologists. At the time Nicole probably didn't realize how strongly that cult influenced everything in their lives and she was most likely relieved to get out with her mind in tack. Without a doubt it was very difficult for her. Those kids will always be Scientologist robots.
I can understand why the kids would want to live with Tom instead of Nicole....California instead of Nashville. Seeing things from an outsider, I believe that California would have so much more to offer the kids as they are growing up. Fortunately, they kids are almost grown now, old enough to be on their own. Hopefully Nicole will see more of them in the near future.
Best to everyone.
I find the whole thing unusual but I also find it strange that she married her current husband despite the fact that he was engaged to her and having a girlfriend frequently stay with him.
Those "kids" know where their "bread is buttered".
And she's NOT "it"; neither is that little guy she lives with.
she moved away from LA to get away from he ex and so she can live a normal life plus too her husband liives in TN. as for the kids staying with dad, they were already brain washed about the religion schientology when they were young children. sometime it good to let kids make the decison which parent to stay with that way it won't be any conflict and resentment against each other. i pray the kids will see that religion is not a real "reliigion". i pray for her too that she stay strong. i woulld love to know what was in that contract she signed with tom when they got married and divorce.
I wouldn't give my kids the chance to be raised in that sort of environment. As teens, they'll be exposed to enough bs on a daily basis at school. Do they really need to be exposed to more brainwashing via scientology?
The kids are old enough now to make that choice, but they have been divorced for probalby 10 years. The kids werent old enough to make that choice back then. She decided that she wanted to be a "Country Girl" and took off. Since the kids were adopted, it wasnt a big deal to her. Havent seen her in any pics with them kids since the divorce. You cant tell me she doesnt see them, when Im sure she goes to LA as much as possible for something that is centered around her as an actress or her husband as a singer. She is more concerned with herself than some adopted kids. Poor things!
Why does every article about these children have to say "adopted" children. They are their children. Period.
I'm curious and saddened by most of the posts. Why would a parent move away from their child/children? Career issues are not a good enough reason when you have all of the necessities and many, if not most, of the wants in life. If there are family issues, then seek counseling. Using California vs. Tennessee as an excuse of why you can't be near your kids? I know that I would feel the need to stay in CA. Focus on the kids until they become the age of majority. Maybe I'm missing something and the kids have been totally brainwashed. If that's so then get the info out there because that would be scary and probably grounds for abusive parenting.
FACT: TEENS EXPERIENCE UPS AND DOWNS EMOTIONALY.
TEENS HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE COMPLEX ISSUES THAN BEFORE.
PARENTS NEED TO ENJOY BEING WITH THEIR CHILDRENS, AND TEEN
NEED TO FEEL SECURE WITH "BOTH PARENTS".
FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE, SOME PARENTS ALLOW THEIR
TEENAGER TO DO WHAT THEY WANT....WHY? BECAUSE THEY
CAN'T HANDLE THE PRESSURE OR THE STRESS OF RAISING
A TEEN...SO THEY GIVE UP.
TOM IS THE FATHER BUT KATIE IS HIS WIFE.
HAVING A FOUR YEAR OLD OR EVEN NINE YEAR OLD
IS VERY VERY DIFFERENT THEN HAVING TEENAGERS IN THE HOUSE.
IT IS GOOD THEY HAD A DAD WHO SAID, THEY ARE MINE, I LOVE THEM
AND A REAL MOTHER – KATIE WHO KNOWS THIS IS THE MOST DIFFICULT
TIME IN A TEENS LIFE, AND IS WILLING TO TAKE ON NICOLE ROLE AS MOTHER
TEACHER AND FRIEND.
to call you totally IGNORANT AND STUPID would be an understatement.
I think the kids are very lucky to have a father who loves them. I have 2 older children that had a father that chose another woman and kids over his own. Now that he is dieing after 25 years of no contact with them, he now wants to be a part of their lives! I can see the hurt on their faces and can hear the hurt in their voice and wish he would just die without bringing more hurt on them. He just wants to again think of himself and his conscience. He doesn't care if he hurts them again after all these years! What a shmuck!
It's seems pretty obvious that she does not care about her kids and is actually happy that they're not living with her.
Those kids have been with Tom since the divorce in 2001, which always seemed odd to me, but then again, anything with the name Tom Cruise attached to it is odd to me. I feel badly for Kidman, but as one poster said, she went into the marriage knowing TC is a scientologist.
There have been a couple of posters mentioning the kids choosing. In California, children 13 and older can ask the judge to award or change custody to their parent of choice, doesn't always happen and there are other considerations, but the kids' desires are taken into consideration.
They chose or Tom wanted them there? There's just something about Tom Cruise ... At any rate I do believe both he and Nicole Kidman love them and try to do what they think is best. As far as location I think as a teen I would have chosen L.A. I guess I'm partial to L.A. since I lived there. My parents live in Nashville. It's nice b
They chose or Tom wanted them there? There's just something about Tom Cruise ... At any rate I do believe both he and Nicole Kidman love them and try to do what they think is best.
HAVE THE ROLE OF THE PARENTS BECOME THE ROLE OF THE CHILD OR TEEN?
TEENS NEED BOTH PARENTS.
TOM NEEDS TO MAN-UP AND SAY KIDS, YOU WILL BE STAYING WITH ME AND YOUR MOTHER..
WE DO HAVE THE MONEY OK, 6 MONTHS WITH ME AND THE OTHER 6 MONTHS WITH YOUR MOTHER....
I can't believe I've waisted time and brain cells reading these comments about people who don't matter to any of your lives. Your willingness to engage in back and forth commentary, name calling, religion bashing and senseless debating makes me question, isn't there anyone around who needs your time and energy? In any case, it being a free country and all, do me just one favor- at least spell check before pressing the submit button!
Scientology is Hollywood's way of feeling "religious". It is s cult.
Oops meant to type It is a cult.
After reading that Nicole's daughter's name is Sunday Rose, I am now tempted to name my children Morning Coffee and Afternoon Burger.
fact: teens are going to do what they want regardless of how much Nicole pleads with them to come live in Nashville with her. She can only be the bad guy in this.
FACT: SOME TRY TO SET YOU UP FOR FAILURE.
NICOLE WHY DID YOU DO THIS?
DO YOU HATE KATIE?
YOU NEED TO TAKE PART IN THE LIFE OF THESE TEENAGER.
This shouldnt be a question of who is the better parent cause you're a mother or father. A good parent is someone that will be there for their child to love, care and discipline them regardless of gender. Everybody is raised different and come from different backgrounds so it depends on what kind of parent you want to be. As for Nicole and Tom, their kids are still young and still dont know what they really want so in order to see where it is that they will be happy at they need to experience how life will be for them at mom's and dad's house. Then they will be able to figure out what is best for them! Good luck Nicole!
I wanted to ask all those that beleive all relgions are the same, all lead to the same place, all are brainwashing, and those who think humanity is bigger then GOD..
Religion>> man's way of getting to God (none are perfect, but some are doing what they are supposed to do as laid down in the bible and through the handed down tradtions of the apostles & Jesus Christ)
Jesus Christ>> Gods way of getting to man..
ok with that being said my question is.. with the FACT that we'll ALL be spending FAR MORE time on the OTHER side of DEATH then this one, are you willing to BET your soul on the pride of your comments? or are you going to "Spend your life believing in something and in the end find out there is nothing, or spend your life believing in nothing and in the end lose everything."
I'm just wondering..
I don't care what 'religion' Tom is....that's his right and his freedom of choice. We have no right to criticize whether one religion (or view) is better than the other. All religion's are 'cults' in some people's eyes. If we want to criticize and call him a 'whack job'....then you might as well say that to 4 or 5 billion others on this planet and chastise them for their beliefs too. Stop with your own 'self-righteousness" and start accepting others for who they are and let's learn to coexist for the sake of all mankind, which is bigger than us and any single religion, race or ethnicity for that matter.
Blah, blah, blah. Who gives a crap?
Of course the kids chose their Dad..He is the one with the most money.. Living in the coolest place.
For kids that age it's more about where they will have the most fun, rather than which parent they actually like the most..
Just because some priests (which is a small percentage of the over all priests in the RC church) did haneous crimes against children (and should be defrocked, punished to the full extent of the law ) does NOT MEAN that what they are called to do is not BEAUTIFUL, FAITH BASED, NOBLE & PASSED down from JESUS himself.. How about all the priests , catholic and every faith in Jesus based religion all over the world that has helped millions or BILLIONS.. how do you think THEY FEEL wearing that collar/vestments as a prisoner for CHRIST..when their brethern did thos things.. please everyone bash who you want, but try to look at the BIG PICTURE not through the tunnel vision of worldly,secular or bigoted glasses.. God Bless and Merry CHRISTmas!!
L. Ron Hubbard was an evil human being. Anyone who would knowingly create a fraudulent "religion" out of his own head designed to be exploited by sociopaths is an egomaniac and vile. And that is exactly what he did - the man was a science fiction writer for heaven's sake, with no claim to any special knowledge about anything "spiritual."
I can't speak for anyone else, nor will I. It is a sad day and age when things like this make the news. I would prefer to live with Tom over Nicole too. Maybe CNN should come to Lafayette Indiana and see what pain is. Like when a woman takes her children from their father because the economy sucks. The root of all evil is a compromise between women and money. If you would please, save your bible versus for someone else. Merry Christmas.
"A loving father
Spoken like a true female. Kids need a father much more than they need a mother when they're in their teens. I hope they don't choose you."
Kids need a mature parent when they're in their teens, not someone who badmouths faceless strangers, etc. Whether that be male or female. If you can't say what you wrote (in public) to your kids, then maybe you aren't the one who should be the primary caretaker.
The older kids belong to a cult. She was lucky to get out of there. Too bad for her kids who really never had a choice.
i respect Nicole Kidman's honesty about how she feels with not living her with her kids. i do not live with my older children, but raise a younger child with my new husband. while it is hard to not live with your children (regardless of being mom or dad), i think society passes harsher judgment on moms who are non-custodial parents than dads who are non-custodial parents. there are many mothers that try to to make the right decision when it comes to custody of their children within a divorce-even if that means consenting to their teen's choice in living with the other parent, yet these moms still face severe judgment from others who have no idea what it is like to go through such a situation. why are non-custodial mothers held to a higher societal standard than non-custodial dads?
I agree deandra. Why is it that more Mothers are raising their children alone? The answer is simple. Their fathers don't want them and can go on and father other children with another woman. Wife Gone, check! Kids gone, check,check!
Mom needs to move herself and her new family to California, as close to the children as possible. This move will help to support the children as individuals and tone down the 'choose this one or that one' burden that will only leave scars and guilt on the shoulders of the children. Think about it, Nicole!
First I can relate with Nicole and not just by the name. I have 2 daughters ages 15 & 12. I have been divorced 7 years and 4 years ago i moved only 45 mins away from my ex to another suburb. After a grueling custody battle last year for just my oldest that he wanted, I won.. however this past sept my oldest stressed the fact that she wanted to live with her father and go to school out by him in her sophmore year. I didn't want to go thru thousands of dollars again, and the constant fighting between my girls took a toll on everyone, not to mention the cruel kids in her HS. I bit my tongue and allowed her to live with her father, with an open door policy that she can come here anytime she wants to. I see her every other weekend and some regular weekends for her sport meets. It breaks my heart that my lil girl is not here with me 24/7 for me to tuck into bed still, have our heart to hearts, and just be a family. I don't have a significant other bc i choose not too. My girls have always been my #1 priority in life and will always be until they decide that mom hovered over them. :) Not a tearful day goes by that i hope and pray one day she will come back home to me with her bags and say that she made the wrong decision. I just wanted to see her happy even if it meant sacrficing my own needs on not having her here with me everyday. I wish Nicole best of luck in the future. Hopefully the kids will always know that they have a loving mother that did what was best for them to make them happy.
As a legal pro, I found the Firm to be a great movie that assisted in my studies. Also I love Tom :)
I think it was best the kids chose Tom over Kidman. I always thought she was a snit anyway, and I don't feel those two older kids would have had the best life that Tom can provide them. Tom seems much more loving than her and I'm sure, between Tom and Katie, those kids are doing quite well.
I don't care for Nicole Kidman ever since I've seen her on talk shows. She plays a victim quite well and children don't need to be pulled into that.
Well, there is another way to look at it. If the kids didn't want to live in Nashville, you can say she chose her new husband over them. Kids that age don't want to leave their friends.
this speaks VOlUMES. since so many characters she plays are cold hearted, selfish and spiteful – perhaps she's not such a great actress and rather, just being herself. those poor kids – all of them.
Why a mom would move away?
Bible says: Love your enemies.
Don't hate on him for being a scientologist :P
Jee...it couldn't be because the kids have all their school /friends etc where dad lives, now, could it?
I am sure there is a lot more to this story than we will ever know. Scientologists are very demanding and cruel. I am sure part of any prenup was that their children would be raised as scientologists. At that time she probably thought it would never come to that. At least she now appears happy – not like she did when married to him. We can compare pictures of Nicole and Katie – both look miserable or like a stepford wife with him. Katie has completely lost her personality. I am sure she is staying because she knows she will lose her daughter – just like Nicole lost her kids if she leaves.
I have no knowledge about the Tom/Nicole situation, nor do I care... In most broken family situations that I am familiar with, including my own, the children are much better off living with their father – that frees up the mother to follow her own selfish pursuits, drugs, partying, rotating boyfriends, etc. while the kids can grow up in a safe, stable, loving environment.
And who moved on with a new life first? Tom was with his new woman way before Nicole. You are a shmuck!
Thank God, are they finally done!?!?!?!?
I spent two and half years of my life in a commited relationship with a scientologist. While many of you may believe that all religions are cults, none of them are like scientology. This "church" bullies non-members into severing ties with relatives, friends, and lovers who are not part of their "faith". Also, if you are part of the "church", but later decide to leave, your family is encouraged and/or brainwashed into believing what you did is evil and they will pressure your family into denouncing you. If you have children, the remaining scientologist parent is commanded to not allow or to allow very little contact between the children and the non-scientologist parent. The non-scientologist parent is then threatened by the "church" when they attempt to make what they feel is inappropriate contact with the children. Though I don't believe this is why her children chose Tom, this may be why it's a painful subject for Nicole. Yes, she chose to live away from her children.
Wow, EarthAngel, SOUNDS A LOT LIKE MODERN DAY "CHRISTIANITY"!!!!
Scientology? C'mon, I'd be seriously concerned for her kids being raised by a "lost," Tom Cruise in that whacked out Scientology cult.
For the life of me I cannot understand why you people are getting so involved and worked up over people and a situation you know nothing about.
Because this is what people do!! And I hate it when they are doing it in the passing lane. Slower Traffic Keep Right!!!
AH-mazing. How awn EARTH can she deal with the fact that her children don't even want to live with her ???
Scientology........yeesh. nuf said
Maybe the kids living with Tom will see what a joke scientology really is.
Yeah, they will make up their own minds, but someone neutral should explain things to them. In any case, what they believe today may not what they believe next year or ten years from now. Kids go through a lot of changes. The main thing is to love and accept them. Love remains.
Don't worry, Xenu will take of them Nicole (not!). You don't need to know Tom to know he's a nut and a dbag.
I think Tom is a control freak and that's always a problem whether ur a man or woman
Do any of you actually KNOW Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman? Didn't think so.
Nicole Kidman must be attracted to Girly-Men, because Tom Cruise and Keith Urban are both TOTAL sissy-boys.
She wasn't good enough for Tom! Even the kids figured that out! How can kids live with a mom who is afraid of butterflies and is allergic to strawberries ?
well its good they chose Tom ,
but dont know why mention religion here , what the heck has that to do with life
esp when u r teenager
Why would they want to live with him when he is involved with that cult known as Scientology?
Scientology will out live christianity, because it offers up the same doctrines as chrisitianity but with new outlooks. It's still the work of satan. Why do you think it is easier to believe in science? I believe in science myself, but i'm also grounded enough to know that the two are opposed. Either there is a being that can make science no longer work, or there is science that cannot allow a powerful being like God to exist. Convenience vs morality folks. I'm a fat kid.
Satan made you fat. : )
Science is merely man's way to try to explain the things around him, and so far it has failed miserably.
To date not one scientist has been able to explain what gravity is, or how it works, though it seems to be the main thing holding the universe together. Same for magnetism. So far all any scientist ever born has been able to do is merely attempt to describe their EFFECTS, without having a CLUE as to how or why they actually work. So much for science.
While not religious myself, and with several degrees under my belt over the past several decades that I have been an adult, I can see that without religion, without the hope and solidarity it brings man and man's communities, the human race is nothing more than a very large pack of murderous animals, without an aim or goal, and without any meaning to their lives. Without the feelings and communal feelings that religion provides man may as well just kill himself off, as there is nothing to live for, nothing to do "good" for, and no reason for morality or civility. Since day one of man's self-cognitive thoughts, man has had the feeling that there has to be something "more" to both his life and to life in general, and that there has to be a "reason" and a "bigger picture". That is called religion, and without the feelings it gives mankind there is no point in anything.
That said, Scientology is not even a "cult". It is a fraud perpetrated by a dead sci-fi writer and perpetuated by evil and greedy men preying on what are actually some of the weaker willed members of humanity.
Allowing a child to be raised as a Scientologist is child abuse. What a dumb woman.
Nat, YOU ARE A MORON. Not only because you believe willingly and blindly in a man made religion, but because you somehow are convinced that makes you smarter than those who buy into other religions. Here's some breaking news for you: Your religions are all equally B.S., and you're all equally naive and a little stupid for buying into them. Religion is the enlightenment of the stupid, Science is the enlightenment of the smart.
Bleh, I'm a relative youngster and I'd take Nashville over LA any day.
Those kids were NOT teenagers when Tom and Nicole split, so therefore, they wouldn't have been able to make the choice of who to live with. At that age, MOTHERS are usually the ones who get the children. If Tom got them, it's because Nicole didn't fight hard enough for them. Sounds like she made a sweet deal with Tom in order for him to keep those kids.
Can you imagine what it would be like to be those kids? To have your mom guilt you in the press because you didn't choose to live with her would be horrible? Who knows, maybe because she would do something like that is why they chose to live with Tom. What are you going to do?
There are positive things men can bring too. It is not a shame that they live in California with their father. It is a blessing that their father would welcome them with open arms.
Kinda hard to believe that Tom was going to become a priest before being bitten by the acting bug.
This issue means nothing in my life. Who knows what kind of contracts Tom had drawn up with Nicole when they married, when they adopted Isabella & Connor, and when they divorced.
Nicole seems very happy with Keith Urban, who was able to give her the baby she wanted. Katie seems happy with Tom and the baby she created with him (or was it for him?).
All these people keep talking about Scientology being a "religion". it is not a religion, plain and simple. it is a con fabricated by a sci-fi writer which is banned in many countries throughout the world as being nothing more than a fraud scheme.
That it isn't banned in the USA (yet) is more a testament to the number of gullible, stupid, pathetic and paid-off than it is to any sense of "respectability" on the part of the shysters running Scientology "churches".
"Sunday Rose"? LOL.
I sure hope they get the wardrobe budget their little sister has. I feel for Nicole too, but most kids of divorced parents – especially teenagers – make a decision to live with one parent. And then, if they're not getting their way, they change their minds and go live with the other one. I see it all the time. They'll go to the one who is more fun spends more money on them, and lets them do what they want. It's usually the Dad, because everyone knows Moms mean business, Dads are fun.
In my opinion Cruise has lost it since he became part of the Scientology cult.
And, in my busy body opinion, it's amazing how it hasn't affected his ability to find work as an actor nor, sway his decision to continue to raise other peoples' kids.
Not her biological children. Nor, Tom's. Things would probably be different if they were Nicole's biological children. Tom is continuing to raise another parent's kids. Those parents should be thankful the children they tossed aside are living a life of privilege. Religion, food and TV channel preferences of either step parent is irrelevant. Many of you forget your childhood. Many times you chose friends, location and your popularity with each over either parent. Yes. Humans no matter what age are selfish and self centered that way. Remember choosing a girl or boyfriend over your parent? Okay then. Grow up and stop making a mountain from a mole hill.
These idiot celebrities collect children like pets and then seperate. I have no sympathy for her or her midget ex-husband.
You state an obvious disdain for men of a shorter stature. I'm wondering if your reaction is similar to how women react when a mouse is present in the room. Don't worry. You've only got one hole for a mouse to climb into but, it would have to be forced to do so.
Okay, I'm confused. Maybe it's just sloppy writing or reporting, but "the reason Isabella and Connor chose to live in L.A. after Kidman and Cruise separated was because, well, the California city is a "big draw" for kids."?
When Kidman and Cruise separated, the kids were 6 and 8. I can see them "choosing" as teenagers (i.e. now), as she says, but that is FAR different than "when they separated". You don't ask 6 & 8 year olds to choose or let them pick a city because it's a "big draw".
"What can you do?", she asks? Be a parent.
Of course theyre with Scientologist dad, who is probably as charming and manipulative as can be. Of course! Long Live XENU!
Clearly many of those posting on this topic don't a FREAKING CLUE as to how the child custody laws work in this country.
If you did you would not be making such ill informed comments, and custody has nothing to do with prenuptial agreements.
I spent 9 years in NYC family court in an effort to keep my daughter from being taken by her mother to live in Germany.
After 9 years I ran out of money, she was then age 11 and per the U.S. Courts old enough to decide for herself.
I last saw my daughter 2 .5 years ago.
I can tell you first hand that phone calls, Skype, and emails are not the same as being able to pick your kid up from school then go hang out a cafe in the East Village before starting homework.
If the parents live in the U.S. they are generally allowed as much access to the children as the child wants or the court dictates.
If a parent chooses to live 1-5 or more states away from their children that is a personal choice of that parent.
Hard to believe that a parent that has a healthy relationship with their children would "Choose" to move away from them.
You were obviously given the raw end of the stick, but please don't mislead people – there isn't a state in the union which statutorily allows a minor under the age of 12 to choose where they want to live.
For everyone else:
Up until recently, only one state allowed a minor under the age of 14 to actually choose between parents. Even that state has recently changed the way they do things. (It was Georgia, in case anyone was interested).
Recently, California has signed into law provisions allowing a child 14 or older to "choose" – provided they are deemed mature enough to do so.
Now, it's true that many states will take into account the preferences of a teenager. But the court is absolutely not obliged to consider that preference.
There are really good reasons we don't allow our kids to make such adult decisions....
Tom is Katie Holmes PuppetMaster! As for that religion, that's a cult. Good luck explaining that on judgement day..lol.
I have two adopted girls (sisters) and not long after the adoption I was divorced. My ex-husband rendered me too poor to raise them (he took everything) and so I saw very little of them the past 40 years. His third wife (one after me) raised them (one never knows who the stepmother might end up being and one usually doesn't have anything to say about it). I have connected with my two daughters in Australia and I have six granddaughters I have never met. I recommend with our 50 percent divorce rate that you think about who will end up as a step parent to your kids. You might not be happy.
Lilarose, you live in Oregon. I was divorced in Multnomah County. I do understand your situation. My ongoing situation is a literal horror story thanks to the Multnomah County family law jurisdiction. If you want to hear more, I would be more than happy to tell you. Seems that nobody in Portland, or Oregon for that matter believes my story.
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You have good intentions, but you should refrain from calling anyone names. It damages your appearance of sincerity. You may consider certain people to be "losers" but you should just save that thought. Overall, a lovely poem and thank you for submitting it. We will notify you if it is one of the finalists. Good day.
Well it was Tom who wanted to adopt kids since he couldn't (or didn't want to) produce any of his own – eww..... it would me doing it with a woman. Since there were no children of his own he had to manufacture some – thus adoption – to shore up his reputation as not being gay....
I've never felt that Tom or Nicole had a true love for either of these kids, once Suri was born Tom spoke of his love for this child like a parent should, but not the children that he and Nicole adopted. You rarely see these kids. The same thing with Nicole, she speaks with absolute love for Sunday Rose and yet rarely mentions the older children. One day the older chiildren will write a book and tell us what life really was like with Tom and Nicole. You can have all the "stuff" in the world but it means nothing if we dont see love especially in the eyes of our parents.
Tom is gay (well known secret in Hollywood) so that's why he's the better mother.
Kidman chose to marry a drunk so why is she whining about her kids choosing to live with Tom?
they are not not so much in the public eye, are they? We sure see enough of Suri, but hardly any pictures of them or even appearances: http://celebs911.com/2010/11/24/suri-cruise-more-famous-than-tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes/. xoxo
There is no heaven,
There is no hell,
There is no god,
I wish you well.
Nicole, pick up the phone and call your children! Don't let them slip away due to their living with their father etc. They're still your children and they do have another sister, your daughter, who they need to be in contact with. Pick up the phone and call them. Fly to L.A. once in a while to see them for a weekend or offer to fly them out. do something that says, "I want you in my life." As a teacher, I've seen what happens when non-custodial parents let their relationships with their children drift away. One day you're going really need them and they may not be there. It's not too late. Good luck and God bless!
Scientologist teens? Well, I guess it's not any worse than Catholic teens.
If we could just raise a single generation without the brainwashing humanity could make great progress.
Scientologists is a joke Religion and if you realy beleave in that crap you should jump off a bridge.
@ why not Re : post # 33 – Catholics ARE Christians
~ Yes but not all christians are catholic!!
Catholic = Christian... however......
Christian does NOT= Catholic
TRY THINKING before you comment.
Shame on Tom Cruise for not insisting that the kids see her more often. I doubt they've spent any real time in Nashville to even give it a chance.
I am sure that she had to sign some air-tight, loophole free agreement about the cult when she married that nut saying their kids had to be raised that way until they were 18. It must have been pretty bad in that household for her to be willing to leave her kids behind and for her to escape with her sanity. I hope that Connor and Isabella leave Scientology and expose it for what it really is.
just proves my point....kids are dumb as a brick.
I think this is all pretty obvious. Many celeb divorces have confidentiality agreements similar to those on movie sets, etc. Nicole cant say that Tom is gay and Scientology is weird. Sucks that she cant see her kids, but they chose to live with dad and by all accounts seem to be happy, for better or worse.
I can only imagine how she felt when she lost both the marriage and the kids, so I am so thrilled for her and Keith that Sunday Rose was born. I love this couple and wish them only the very best for their future together. Hopefully the kids will come to their senses one day and realize Scientology is not the best road to travel.
All religion is stupid. Its just another way to separate people. Its fine to have faith but I wish they would get rid of all churches and people would worship in private and stop arguing about it. Its all stupid and no religion i have heard of is based in reality. They all read like fairy tales to me. Where is everyones logic when it comes 2 religion?
She's so beautiful... I hate her
To: WhyNotWorkForIt Catholics are not Christians. I grew up Catholic. Im a Christian now. Not the same thing. Catholics pray to idols,saints and the dead, not just God. Also, I've never seen unmarried fornicating couples or drunks get removed from the Catholic church.
Religions are POISON, plan and simple. If your looking for a god, look inward. YOU are god, made in 'his' image, don't you people get it. When a jewish rabbi was walking the earth he told people to look inward, people just don't understand parables, its story telling. The obvious you get later....
If you take the clip from Oprah about Tom on the couch and loop over the soundtrack, Tom could do a commercial for CoCo Puffs! Powered by Go Daddy! LOL
....with all the money Nicole has, it's surprising she didn't choose to live in Cali, so she could be closer to her kids. she has the money to do it, if she REALLY wanted to be near her kids.
Hey RKY84, Right On! Like you I'm tired of the Dad stigma! Why always dead beat dad(s) why not dead beat parent! There are a lot of dead beat moms! My daughter at age 14 wanted to come live with me, her dad/father and I could have let her run a way from her mother but I did the right thing. I let her cool down 24 hours when her mother didn't let her have her way when her mom stated about someone over 21 driving a car on a date. If the shoes was on the other foot, her mom would have stabbed me in the back. I'm the strict one and she pushed her mom around and when she couldn't she wanted to get back at her mom! I know the game and didn't play it!
Scientology, christiian, etc, all man made control systems, but good in the sense that they provide structure to people's lives. Tom, while a little odd, isn't a raging druggie or alcoholic. Now that 2 parents typically work to pay the enormous debt the average family has, it places even more importance on having some structure to follow for kiddies to be raised in. We all know children who are being raised without religion or structure and because parents are working...little monsters.
Raised by Tom Cruise and as Scientology cult members, why didn't you just put a gun to their heads when you had the chance, they're doomed.
Tom's cute. The firm was my fav movie. My buds and I still watch it.
I think she is glad they live with him. What place do these children have with her? They were the product of her and Tom's relationship, bought as an accessory to define that relationship and its over now. Tom has a wife and child now, and so does Kim. Does she really want to hang on to the past? Doesn't seem like it.
Why people are so vicious against Scientology? I am not of that faith, but my gosh people, Christians, Catholics, Muslims etc. etc. are all brainwashed... much more so than those of the beliefs that they single out for hate.
The porch light is out in the entire Cruise family, Kidman family and Urban family. One can only hope any of these kids grow up normal.
I'm sure my kids would love to live with Tom, too, but I wouldn't let them, because he's a maniac.
btter get that http://www.SUPERSONIC.US.COM
I guess I don't know the entire situation but she could have chose to stay close to her children. She is putting her new husband and new baby above her kids. She didn't have to be selfish and try to make them leave their schools, church, friends behind so she could follow a man. When Tom cheated on her he pulled their family apart but that doesn't give her license to behave badly too. She could also try harder to get them to Nashville more. Sounds like her old kids just aren't convenient for her anymore. It's horrible and If she doesn't like their religion then she should have made that clear before she allowed them to be raised that way their entire lives. I always thought it was weird how you always see Tom with his older kids and Suri but you never see those kids with Nicole and Sunday.
I think the children made the right choice. Don't forget...Keith Urban had/has drug problems. Also Nicole is a cold fish and Katie is warm and bubbly. They make a happier family.
And you know this how? You know them personally or something?
I have always felt that these poor kids were adopted for publicity reasons, she also married him to better her career and went along with anything he said...only to get dumped when she refused to do the Scientology thing. So now the kids want to stay with him, heh? Well, she was in it for her 10 years and now is bemoaning their absence, she never appeared to loving towards these two...he is clearly the most hands on and they want to stay with him. In this case he does appear to be the best suited to raise them, regardless of his religeon. Period.
Glad you pointed that out. I felt the same way. Only to dispel the rumors that Cruise is gay.
Seems like she got caught up with her new life with Keith and baby and didn't give a second thought to moving out of LA and away from her children knowing that this is where they wanted to be. I would NEVER move that far away from my children for a new man. She should have stayed in LA to be close to them or have them live with her – if Keith had a problem – then screw him. Instead she decided to move and settle elsewhere with her new husband. She chose him over her kids – bottom line. They were still 'children' when her and Tom broke up and they both remarried.
I follow Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman in all press reports and go to see Keith in concert all the time. Nicole sees her kids CONSTANTLY...but she does not choose to have public pics of them with her posted.....Isabella and Connor are with Nicole 4 months out of the year. You are an ill informed idiot.
She, Nicole..is NOT COLD..she is warm and sweet and funny and most of you only read gossip crap....SHE WANTS THE KIDS TO LIVE WITH HER BUT DOES NOT FORCE THEM.
Keith is a wonderful man. Listen to his music....
Kidman only speaks when a movie is coming out because that is when she does interviews...LIKE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN HOLLYWOOD.
GET A LIFE AND SEE THE GOOD IN PEOPLE.
This is pathetic.
Poor kids must be tough having a megalomaniac for a father
You must be another "victim mother"!
Just because kids choose to live with daddy doe NOT "usually mean" they will be spoiled and have no rules. People like you make me sick.
My step daughters live with us because they have a dead beat selfish mother. At her house there are no rules but that's not what they need or want.
Maybe it has nothing to do with either parent or the towns that they live in. Maybe it has to do with the teenagers not wanting to move away from friends. I still remember being a teenager and my whole world was my friends. When my parents moved i didn't care why they were moving only that i was loosing my friends. I do not make friends easy so when my parents said you will just make new ones..that did not help. As for Nicole working in LA and not wanting to move there. Maybe she just does not want to raise a toddler in the rat race of LA and maybe her husband needs to be in Nashville. Nobody really knows the reasons of any of this. I do think that the kids really dont have a religion choice till they are out on their own. When you live with parents you are expected to follow their religion regardless of what your own thoughts are on it. Hopefully they dont get brainwashed before they can make their own decisions on what form of religion is good for them.
If they were my parents I would have chosen HER! Shes more down to earth then he is and didnt make a fool of herself on TV like he did declaring his love for Katie Holmes. At least shes has Sunday Rose in her life and a good man.
There's one interesting thing here – her daughter Isabella just turned 18 yesterday. Now her oldest child has the legal right to live wherever she chooses. Something tells me Nicole is sending some sort of subliminal message to Tom and her kids through this recent interview.
Same thing happened to me. My boys decided to live with their father when they were old enough to choose. It broke my heart BUT, I had to suck it up and remember that they needed (need) their father, too, and vice versa. It's a whole different bag when the family breaks apart and wrenching decisions have to be made, it never ends. The kids have to come first. Parenthood isn't for wimps.
Why is this a story? This interview took place in 2007! Please stop recycling material CNN!
CNN welcomes a lively and courteous discussion...and yet most of the comments I read are anything but courteous, not necessarily towards the subjects of the article but each other. All of the kids seem to be happy and healthy even if I don't agree with raising a child in the public eye. Regardless of occupation or religion, I've always felt Tom Cruise controlled Katie completely. She doesn't seem happy (more like scared); he's always holding on to her with both hands like she's going to run. She reminds me of one of England's princesses who are always afraid of offending the crown.
They're being raised as scientologists? It looks like they're screwed already.
Tom never talks about those kids....only Suri...scientology is complete BS....bunch of quacks!!...so glad Nicole was able to get herself out of that abusive relationship...Tom Cruise is a wacko...i wish he would go buy an island...move there and never come back...
At least being with their father the kids don't have to deal with an alcoholic step-parent
They want to live with Tom because his wife his more their age so they will have someone to hang around with
@Chachi She clearly wants her children to decide for themselves. Now the question is if he is forcing it on them. Then of course it is not fair. But they are 18 and 15. They are capable of telling dad no themselves
Good for her! Teenagers are terrible things to have around, better to let Tom deal with the chemical imbalances, I'm sure he's familiar with it.
This story is from 2007. Did they run out of news or something?
If she wanted to be near her kids, she shouldn't have moved all the way to Nashville...there are parts of California that are very rural if she just wanted to get out of the city. I don't blame her for wanting to move on and have a life after Tom, but she is the one who chose to relocate, not him...I'm sure her kids were pretty sad she wanted to move so far away and expected them to leave their lives in LA behind, not to mention their Dad. I don't think children should have to face choices like this. And now their Mom is publicly dissing their Dad's religion. I think scientology is stupid too, but if you're not ready to be respectful for a lifetime with the person you choose to do it with, DON'T HAVE KIDS.
The courts generally go along with the kids wishes by the time they are 15 as long as there are no issues with abuse... You can't force a child to live with you and be happy.
Well, K! You have the power to control the good or the bad, only you and nobody else. Only you, ok? Let your kids go are your choice and you let that happen, ok? So then you better deal with it and find a way to send your love, kindness, support and motherly stuffs to them! Its not so hard and they will know that you still care and support them no matter what.
As a jew, I can state that throughout history, christianity has forced us, under pain of death, to convert. Argue THAT, biblethumpers
...And yet, you remain alive AND a Jew. Hmm.
Oh, now I understand why Katie Holmes is very glum lately. The sudden additional parenting stress of living with Tom's teens.
Glum!!! She looks his age now. Such beauty gone to waste.....
"Yes, they're being raised as Scientologists," she told Marie Claire. "I don't want to go there."
Because she can't go there. Scientologist are bullies and will harrass her to no end. Nicole Kidman was ostracized because she s a non-believer. It's no secret that alot of short people that suffer from an inferiority complex are scientologists.
Watch out, Nicole. My Galactic Confederacy minions are watching you, but those cursed Scientologists continue to resist me! Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
I think the sad thing that is being overlooked is that the kids even had to choose! Either way they had to give up the way they were living and go through a very painful transition! How heartbreaking for them!
This article is classified as LATEST NEWS, yet the main information it is highlighting is from a 2007 article. Come on CNN!!!
Wow, my invisible man can beat up YOUR invisible man!
At the time she said this, her son was 12. "I don't want to go there?" Where was she during previous years when her children were being raised as scientologists? I feel sorry for both of these kids: one parent virtually running a cult (scary guy) and the other so dissociated that she's lost all protective instinct toward her own kids. "Celebrities" like these give non-famousness a good name. Very sad.
Regarding organized "religion" and I'll throw Scientology in that group begrudgingly, IMO parents should expose their children to the broad range of organized religions that exist today, so that the child can find their own spiritual pathway through their life. I suspect we'd find that people were more accepting of others religious beliefs and of others in general.
If she belongs to any religion, she could take her kids to church when they visited and then let them decide which they prefer. Give them a choice!
I have worked with Tom and I can say for a fact that he is a great father. He always attends his kids' games, he's very attentive, and spends enormous amounts of time with them. They are constantly photographed together, but reporters only ever mention Suri in the caption. I believe Kidman cheated and that is why they divorced. She had a miscarriage shorty after they split, I doubt her would have left her after 10 years of the kid had been his. Both however have been very classy in never publicly giving details about the split. If Kidman wanted to be closer to her kids all she need to do is move to L.A. She's the one who moved away.
Thanks, Bob. The check is in the mail.
LOL, whatever, Bob.
Good to know, but I'm sure no one knows what went on behind the scenes or the conditions of their divorce. I heard the same thing early on about her being pregnant and the alleged cheating. I also remember seeing Tom on Donohue many, many years ago where he said he was sterile from a childhood disease. Guess Suri has dispelled that!
Interesting how we only hear out of her when there's a movie coming out
Or how about this – Nicole is a mom who loves her kids very much but recognizes they are individuals who have emotional needs of their own. And that while she and Tom are divorced and she probably thinks he's the biggest jerk on the planet, it's a million miles from jerk to unfit parent. She may hate scientology but again iy doesn't make him unfit. This is the situation with myself, my ex-husband and our teenage son. My ex sends me round the bend, he's such a jerk. That doesn't suddenly make him unfit to raise our son who is at an age where his biological father, for some reason I can't fathom, is fascinating to him. So I sent my son to live with his dad. Not with fighting or ugliness or a court order, but with my blessing. I have an ache and a hole in my heart every minute of every day but my son is healthy and happy and making good grades and not getting in to any trouble – and isn't THAT the point of being a parent??? Raising our kids to be the best people they can be, even if it's hard to do? Kudos to Nicole for taking the high road even though it's hard. Just look at the comments here – whe must be cold or uninterested or a bad mom or whatever. No one ever thinks a mom who gives her kids to their dad voluntarily does it out of love.
Yes it is. Bless you.
As a former single mother, I find it commendable that both parents appear to be more interested in their children's well-being rather than a fight for control. Throughout a child's life, each parent has moments when he or she can contribute more to the developmental stage of the child - I would have given anything if my ex-husband had shown the interest in our daughter that Tom Cruise is showing in his children - and hats off to Katie H. because, believe it or not, step-parenting can be a difficult position to be in - Kudos to Nicole for caring more about her children, than herseslf – isn't that what motherhood is all about?
Never heard about a substance abuse problem in the Cruise household.
Nicole, GIve it time. The kids will see through Scientology, eventually Fortunately, we live in a free society, where, eventually, the truth comes out.
Nicole should have fought for her children to be with her and not be raised by in Los Angeles by someone who comes off as egomaniac. Tom Cruise is very rich and has a lot of clot in Hollywood, which I get. However, these two chidlren are Nicole's kids too. I don't care what kind of prenup she signed. By not trying to fight for your kids makes it look like you really don't love or care about them. If I were in their shoes, this is how I would have felt. She failed them.
Is he on Lipitor for the clot?
We don't know how often the parents are in contact with their children. Rich people usually let other people take care of their kids–boarding schools, nannies and other staff–once they become school age. And the Scientologists probably do have something to do with the situation. It seems Kidman was with Cruise in spite of his being a Scientologist. Their marriage broke up when he became more devoted to the cult years ago. She probably loved him but might have hated his religion. You'd be surprised how many pastors' marriages end because of the long hours, changes in view of life and belief, for example. Changes in lifestyle can break up marriages, not just affairs. And remember she was receiving more acclaim for her work than he was at the time. That probably didn't help their marriage. Then the ego tripping and work separations that come with show business careers likely were one more problem. With more money and more fame also comes more problems.
@Lee...i almost spit out my iced tea when I read your comment! LOLOLOL!!!! Thanks...too freakin' funny!!!
Hasn't catholism had its fair share of pedophiles? The men people trust the most – priests. And its not like it happened a couple times and was fixed. Its still a serious issue and there are many, many people who came forward abt being abused by their priests.
I love NK, she is one of the coolest actors I ever met and is extremely beautiful and extraordinarily talented! TC lost the best thing he ever had!
Also, Nicole and Keith are in LA at least half of the time. The article doesn't mention that.
Living in Nashville, the country music capital, with a country music star? Please! The reason the teens chose to live with Tom was to avoid having to listen to all that God-awful country music. Who can blame them? No self-respecting teen would voluntarily submit to that kind of torture.
And you go by "Doc". Seems to me you'd fit right in with them thar southern folk....LMAO
The kids chose what they wanted.. apparently they chose tom.. for the fact they didn't want the whole move.. changing there whole lives.. an if she dnt speak of his religion is her choice.. mayb she. Dnt want the world to know how she feels on that.. if that's how she feels not to tell the world.. I respect that :)
kids know what is best for them. Being raised Scientologists is no different than any other organized religion....give or take a little. When they become adults, they can either keep it or dump it. It will be their choice. Seems like Tom and Katy are good parents. Reality with children of famous people who travel the world constantly is that they live with nannies anyway. It was wise of Nicole not to fight their choice. I am sure she gets to see them.
Google Sea Org RPF, read up on it and then decide if Scientology is just like any other religion. Google Blown for Good and Counterfeit Dreams to see how easy it is to leave Scientology. I left the Catholic Church but no one chased me down the highway requiring me to have a police escort to get away. I wasn't placed behind barbed wire fencing with security guards watching me; I simply stopped going to mass.
Maybe it's because the kids like Tom better then Nicole. I don't know just saying.
Should add that I've taken baby classes with Nicole and Keith. Both are super sweet and wonderful with their daughter. Many celebrities send their nannies to classes with their children. Not nicole!
Why do you have to take classes to learn to be a baby?
Dunno why someone would find baby classes odd... When my husband and I were considering starting a family, I had hundreds, if not thousands, of concerns, fears, and questions. There are far worse things to spend money on or invest time in than trying to learn better parenting techniques and getting answers to your questions.
As for the actual article... people are afraid of what they don't know or understand. Personally, I find it extremely strange to follow the writings of a science fiction novelist and call it a religion. But, I also find it strange that people can so blindly believe in the bible, which was also written by man. People should focus on trying to be kind, compassionate, fair-minded, and generous beings - the world would be a better place for it.
LA is a wonderful place. And I'm thankful to have been born here!
There are similarities between Scientology and Christians – both read, and believe books written by MEN. Do your research and you'll find Christianity added many "rules" throughout the centuries to control the masses. Satan was created during Roman times to scare the public. So essentially, everyone believes these fairy tales.
I believe there is a g-d. But humanbeings have twisted religion to meet their own needs
that is a dang good looking woman
They've been divorced for 10 yrs I think... that means the kids were what... 5 and 7 yo? Who lets a child that age make a decision about where they will live? Nicole never put up a fight for her kids, she gave them to Tom and went off to live her single life. I don't think she minds them being raised Scientologists because I don't believe she's ever left the cult. She's still "one of them".
No one has a clue in the dynamics of this family! This is not E T.V.-all opinions and speculation! Oh she looks cold oh she did not hug her kids...really. The only thing agreeable is the Scientology-cult. Yeah agree...
So, you adopted smart kids........I'd have chosen Beverly Hills over Nashville , that's a no brainer.
If it were the real reason, it would mean they are superficial kids. Likely they were not that close to Nicole to begin with and that would be reality. Tom likely spent more quality time with them. Nicole may have been more about herself and her craft.
One more thing, if a former Scientologist doesn't behave, their friends and family still in Scientology are forced to break off all contact with the former Scientologist. Perhaps this is why Nicole Kidman says very little about it and may appear cold. She has to be very careful or she will lose contact with her children...or maybe she already has but is hoping to one day have contact once again. Again, there are alot of real life experiences described on the various ex scientologist message boards that are very informative should you care to learn more.
Scientology appears to be an achievement ( material) oriented sort of cult. Most organized religions are about control of the masses. Take your pick. Nothing wrong with mental regimen, as long as you keep your compassion and ethics intact.
The achievement angle is simply a method to keep the followers paying money for courses and materials. When the church needs more money, it adds a few more achievement levels and/or revises all the materials and tells the followers that they must start over again and of course, pay for it all over again. Google Sea Org RPF for evidence of control of the masses or Google Counterfeit Dreams for an excellent writeup of how it really was in the Cult.
I'm sure it hurts her to give up her children. I lived in California my whole life and it is a really fun place to grow up especially when you're a teenanger so I ca see why they choose to live out here. I've met Tom before and he's really nice guy. I know many people don't like him becaus of his religion but we should all respect peoples beliefs.
I'm sorry but if Nicole cared how much time she spent with her children then maybe she should have stayed in Los Angeles. My father gave up his job so he could live in the same city as me and my mother when I was growing up. he sacrificed things to be near his son. Nicole has the luxury of being able to live anywhere she wants and she decided on Nashville, 2,000 miles away from her kids. Sounds to me like the kids got it right. Nicole doesn't seem too interested in being with them.
You're absolutely right, John. That answer is so clear that I don't understand why more people on here aren't coming to that conclusion? I would NEVER move to another city away from my children!!!!!!! My #1 goal would be to raise them and remain in their lives at all costs.
Except she didn't move till many years later when she already wasn't seeing her children.
It is incredibly unfair to pass judgement when none of us really know what happened in the divorce or with the children.
I have always loved how people assume they know everything about the private lives of celebrities. I personally do not like Tom Cruise, or anything he's in for that matter. I find him shallow and boring, but that doesn't mean he's not a great parent. Nicole Kidman, on the other hand, I've always liked, but again, that doesn't make her a good parent. We can't base their parenting skills on if we like them or not or how we perceive them. Teenagers are a species of their own, I know this from experience. My own girls both talked about going to stay with their dad when they hit teen years and they hadn't had anything to dow ith him in years, barely saw him, anything. You can't account for other's feelings. Period. Trying to say she's cold or he's nuts, is your opinion and really doesn't matter to these people or their lives. If they love their kids and do their best to take care of them, without putting them in harms way, then I saw let them to it and mind your own business!
Jesus Christ is Lord - His tomb was so very empty, and one day He'll rule a new heaven and new earth. Reject Him now, therefore, and He'll reject you then. You don't have to go to Hell, though, because He forgives any sinner willing to repent, and ready to follow Him for the rest of their lives. What about you? Where will you spend eternity? In Hell with Satan, or Heaven, with the matchless, Risen Son of God?
Kids are sneaky little twits, especially in the early teens. They quite frequently play one parent against the other trying to get their way. Parents often fall into the same trap, giving in too often, or being too strict, trying to counteract what they see as poor parenting in the ex. And sometimes the kids just wear a parent down to the point that you say yes to something, just to get a moment of peace. Kids are NOT above manipulation to get what they want, and growing up in LA, they are probably 40 year-olds in teen bodies.
Of course the kids want to go with him, he lets them jump on the couch.
I don't feel sorry for her, she chose to leave LA and to start a whole new family. Parents should never move away from their children.
Scientology is a cult; the children are likely brainwashed. Google ex scientologist and have a look at the kids message board as well as the adults and read about their experiences; seems like modern day slavery.
Such is life. The children made their decision and that settles it.
Nicole didn't want them. It's the cold simple truth. She was never deeply bonded to those 2 kids and yes they felt it and continue to feel it. It was never real with her. Tom, crazy as a bat, did at least show real emotion toward the children he adopted. The kids were NOT teenagers when she and Tom divorced. The kids didn't want to stay away from Keith Urban. Nicole hadn't met Urban yet. Remember she moved across the country and shacked up with Lennie Kravitz for a short while. From the beginning she made minimal effort to go back see them, be involved in their daily activities etc. She could easily have kept a place in LA, gone to the soccer games sometimes and the school activities etc.. She turned her back, took the cash, went to the other side of the country and didn't look back. They never were her real children because she didn't accept them in her heart. Adopted children are your real childen only if you truly accept them and love them the same as your natural children. Nicole was never able to do that. They were Tom's "project" from Day 1.
Judy, I think you've hit the nail on the head. If you love your kids you fight for them, no matter what. This woman took off before the ink was dry on the divorce papers. She's cold as ice. Tom may not be the model parent and you may disagree with his religious beliefs, but he's THERE.
Wow. I didn't know that you knew them personally. It certainly sounds like it. I know that I certainly can't tell from tabloids and People magazine what is really going on behind closed doors. It's nice to hear from someone who has an insiders point of view on this situation. If you ever see Nicole again (sounds like you two had a fight) tell her I ADORE Moulin Rouge.
mareie, I don't believe you quite get it. She could be trashing him. She isn't. She just isn't talking about it. She's said many times that she still loved Tom (ICK) not that she doesn't love keith of course, a real man. Who I doub't would just dump wife number two, like he did his first suddenly when not happy, to marry a child he could mold. She's smart enough to realize how easy kids can turn on you in confusion during divorce. AND just wants evryone to be happy.
I think Nicole is beautiful. Even she lost Tom I am sure she will find a better man. Take care Nicole and happy holidays.
Beats living in Tennessee
What a jerk you are? Have you ever lived here, fool?
Its so sad and so sick. Nicole Kidman is such a lovely lady who still has to have this sociopath whenever she wants to see her kids or do a movie. As for Tom Cruise he is legitimately gay ask anyone at the Sports Club LA in Hollywood about what he used to do in their steam room. The only reason he hasn't come out is his "church" of alien worshiping freaks don't want their bank account to suffer by his career heading a different direction.
Love is comfort. Be consistent and realize after they are done with stinky diapers they move on to painful stinky emotions. Love is comfort
Come out of the closet already Tom.
I can see how the kids could be separated from her because of Scientology because I have also heard that about separation from a non-believing parent... BUT – she is choosing to live in Nashville away from those kids. In that way she is choosing to separate her life from them for the most part and unless she works harder to be a presence in their lives, she can't really complain too much. That said, you can't really assess from this piece how hard she tries. My husband's ex lives hours away, by choice, and then complains about not getting to see the kids or be as involved in the kids daily lives as she wants. This makes no sense to me as all of her actions speak the exact opposite. She doesn't call them all that frequently, sees them a handful of times through the year and balks at taking any financial responsibility for them.
Are you talking about Nicole Kidman or your ex-husband? Because I don't see how you could know that information about her. Sounds like you're projecting your own family issues onto someone else.
1) If I wanted a normal life for my kids I'd choose Nashville over LA, but I'd also choose Boston over Nashville...
2) Scientology is one of the most abusive cults on the planet. Check out the BBC Panorama specials or go to xenu.net
Tom Cruise is a known control freak, and Nicole was lucky to get away from him. As for choosing to be away from her kids, she wouldn't have a choice if she was there to begin with. Trust me she's been labeled an SP (Suppressive Person) by the church of Scientology so she would not be allowed contact unless Tom wanted to get kicked out of the church as well...
I think the wild behavior and remarks from Tom in the past several years should have disqualified him as the primary parent entirely. The whole world can see that something isn't right with him.
I live in Nashville and it's true that Keith Urban's work is here, however, he and Nicole have said that they really like living here and that's why they chose to. We Nashville residents often see them around town out and about at places like the flea market and they always seem to be happy. And as far as her kids go, I can see that Nicole wants them to be happy where they live, so good for her for her sacrifice.
As Nashvillians, we're glad to have them and other celebs (like ice skater Scott Hamilton and his wife Tracy) as fellow residents. To us they are all just our neighbors.
Fighting over who they live with is mainly the selfishness of the parents wanting to be the winner.
It is selfless of her to let them choose.
I'll go there for you, Nicole. Scientologists are CRA-ZAZY! And so are Tom and Katy.
Isn't raising children in scientology akin to child abuse? I say YES.
I just looked up Nicole on Wikipedia and according to that, she and Tom divorced in 2001. That would have made the kids 9 and 6 when they divorced. Not exactly what I would call teenagers. Their decision to live with their father now may have something to do with friends, but I doubt it at that time. My guess is it had EVERYTHING to do with Scientology, and Nicole was probably threatened if she contested custody.
It is wonderful to hear about parents who are selfless enough to let the kids choose.
Los Angeles > Nashville
My kids chose to live with their father also. It is a hurt you never get over.
Kids, at that age, alwayus choose to live with the parent who lets them get away with murder.
I am happy that Nicole has finally found happiness with Keith Urban and has a beautiful daughter together. I have no doubts she signed a prenup when they first got married and I'm sure custody for any future children was spelled out at that time. Remember he was the big star back then and she just beginning her career. He has alot of money and influence and there are alot of stories in that relationship we may never hear about.
My daughter wanted me to post she worked with Nicole and Daniel Craig in B more on a movie and ALL the extras HATED her but loved how Daniel chatted and laughed with them....nuff said hahahaha Thats why I luv Bond...James Bond hahaha
I feel her pain. My pre-teen girls chose to live with their dad 800 miles away from me because they had family and cousins there. It was the hardest thing I ever lived through. They are adults now and our relationships are strained but are slowly getting back on track. I made the decision to let them go because that is what they wanted and what I thought was best. If I had to do it all over again, I would have fought like a tiger to keep them closer to me. It would have been hard in the beginning but our family would not have suffered so much damage in the end.
I agree with the cracks on the IDIOT starlets in LA BUT until these kids start spending more time on TMZ than in school I say we leave them alone. I'm still mad Will and Jada are pushing their child into this ruthless idiot biz (pimped by a rapper) instead of trying to raise intelligent Dr's or lawyers etc contributing to society. I don't see Donald Trump's or Denzel's kids on TMZ......
Nicole is a cold biatch. And kids dont lie. they feel the coldness.
Look at how she talks, Tom gave her everything still she disparages him.
Not everything....Tom is in the closet
Comments with no factual merit....hilarious, or scary?
Come on is anyone really surprised which parent is probably more fun to these teens. Teens really want to stay where friends area as well. Everytime I watch Kid Rock's new song "Born Free" video I see Jerry McGuire jammin in that car. Tom just seems like a lot of fun. Don't get me laughin about Les Grosman hahaha not a knock on Nicole but kids always prefers one parent over the other in the fun category and they will say "I want to go with dad because we have fun!"
I am amazed that in the year 2010 there are still people out there who believe that children should automatically go with their mother in a divorce, and that if they don't it is a travesty of justice and a tragedy. Their mother is the parent who "moved away", and even in the lives of us "ordinary" people children will often choose to stay where they live. Both of these people have the financial means to fly to visit their children no matter where they live. We don't know Tom Cruise or Nicole Kidman personally, or their children, so we really have no basis to make any kind of a real judgement. And their religions are their business just like ours are our business. Conflict over religion happens in most families in which the partners have differing philosophies. These kids are old enough to decide for themselves, and I suspect that they have.
OMG, this is the first real intelligent response I have seen. Thank you for keeping it real.
Kids don't always know what is best for them.
Flying to visit a child is a world away from raising them. She's not their auntie from Tennessee.
I'd rather be mormon than a scientologist....and I'd rather be dead than either of them.
If you had to give up ALL your friends, family, church, and home and NEVER see any of them again would you do it?
I dont know a kid anywhere given the same "choice" would do anything different,
Military kids do this exact thing every few years. Painful, but they get through it. My husband is in the US navy and although our ten year old has had to move a few times, she has lived and experienced much more than most kids.
Seemed okay until she mentioned Scientology. A real tragedy.
Let's see; a fairly sane-ish lifestyle in a relatively modern city in the South vs. an ADHD-addled, batsh-t crazy, cult-guided life in LA. ...and Kidman didn't fight harder to protect her kids from that?! Seems a bit odd to me.
The kid are 18 and 15, they can choose wherever they want to live. They grew up in California, so maybe they feel more at home there. At that age, they can be left on their own.
Living in La-La land with wacky cultist Tom, these kids are doomed. I guarantee you'll be seeing their names in the poice blotter. Welcome to the world of Lohan, Spears, Hilton, etc.
I never could understand how people switching their religions? How can you do it? My friend did it and I lost her, I don't know who she is anymore I don't understand her. She blames me for being honest with her, but her brothers and sisters from the new religion are so much nicer to her (because they telling her exactly what she wants to hear). I am Russian Orthodox, its not that far from where she had gone, but still, what a difference, I see her not walking any more she is flying. Very unnatural and not real. Scary~
Looks like your friend moved on and is happy. Rejoice for her. Life is about learning. If you are stuck in your old ways, you may not progress as you should. Free yourself and be happy.
For pete's sake, reporters. BUY A MAP! Nicole and Keith live in Franklin, Tn NOT Nashville. They aren't even in the same county!
It's cold in TN, whether you live in Nashville or Franklin...not to mention that it is a state of backwards Evangelists freaks, it cannot compare with the lure of beautiful sunny California where everything is possible. You only have to avoid fires, mudslides and earthquakes. Other than that, it is paradise...swimming all year...beautiful fruit trees and flowers and two hours away...you can snow ski. Just great! I wish I lived there.
You can stand in Nashville and throw a rock and hit Franklin, in fact, if you go to the county line, you can put one foot in Nashville and the other foot in Franklin.
Something's going on or she wouldn't be talking about any of this.
of course they choose Tom as your husband is a druggy
It could be that the court evaluated the homes and took Urban's drug use history into account. They could have felt it was the more stable home and least likely to expose the kids to drug abuse. Nicole may not want to mention this. I'm assuming the files were sealed to protect the family due to their fame. Also, I would imagine most kids would want to stay in the town in which they were raised previously. Nicole may also realize that raising teenagers would put one more strain on her relationship with Urban, and since they have a small child, she may have made a decision for that child. Urban may be less vulnerable in Nashville due to unhealthy associations in LA. Many factors could play into this.
Name ONE California celebraty that has faced his addiction, sought help, stayed sober and humbly admits it to the world!
Kinda hard to win at anything when Tom is backed by the Scientology. Of course the Kids want to live with dad .. they got dooped by the Scientology mind twist
I'm a Christian, and it was a personal choice. I was never forced into it by anyone. I was the first member in my entire family to become a believer. I am not a member of a cult, nor was I brainwashed. To compare the living Christ to a "corpse" or to equate my beliefs to "brainwashing" is ignorant.
@ JulieP, yes but you would not have even known about Christianity if all that stuff that HEHE said didn't happen.
@Dave: I'm not so sure that makes any sense.
They likely picked Tom because you turned out to be a complete nut bar. What the heck happened? And not that you are reading this but see a therapist about your addition to plastic surgery. I saw clips for Rabbit Hole and thought they were for Piranha 2 ... YIKES!
Not sure which is better but nothing can be more weird than calling a dead corpse, son of god. Jesus, Mohamed, Moses and all the other so called prophets are liars. There is no such thing as god. Most of ur ancestors were forcibily converted to this crap Christianity or face death. This is worse than being brainwashed.
Most of our ancestors were not forced at the point of death to convert to Christianity. You can call it a bunch of crap or whatever you like, makes not difference to me really, but don't use lies. Most of them were converted by missionaries just like they are today. Unless you are of American Indiana descent or something similar. But then again, that hardly qualifies as "most of us". Base your arguments on facts and opinions (which you have every right to have) but you lose when you use lies to make your point. God Bless : )
In the event you aren't just a troll. You know just spouting off whatever you know will most inflame; I ask you do you believe Jesus existed? An educated deduction of what you wrote would be that you do. I mean you reported him and him as a corpse. The rational assumption would be a corpse once lived, hence you believe he did.
In a region of the world where more history has been written, where more historical evidence has been gathered archeogically than anywhere else on earth; ANNNND a man who is being written about by both friends AND enemies of the state, then super power of the world, you want to believe his remains just DISAPPEARED?
Do you not at least question that? Historical evidence of HIS existence is undeniable, he was written about by both enemy and friend, believer AND unbeliever. Do you question that? He lived in the reign and regional control of both the militarily dominant super power of the planet at the time but at least one of the most dominant religions of the time. Both of these unfriendly to him, both of whom historical evidence shows were "bothered" by him, and yet neither of which can provide you evidence of his remains. That doesn't at least make you wonder? Neither the jews nor the romans have told you what happened to him. He disappeared.
Guess what, I as a christian have no proof either. What I do think is that they hated him so much they hung him up on a cross. Contrary to popular opinion that was not just an every day way of executing people in those days. That was reserved to those they especially hated and wanted everybody to witness. Beheading was more common and less a festival.
Yet both the Jews AND the superpower of the world lost track of their DEAD victim 3 days later. We all live on our own understanding. I find that fact to be significant.
Maybe the kids didn't want to be around a recovering drug addict (which Urban was at the time). Anyone ever thought about that simple explanation? Cruise seems pretty straight edge and regardless of his believe he always seems strict with his family. I think teenagers are old enough to make their own educated decisions about who they want to live with and I think they made the right choice.
That may be the case if the kids actually lived with him. But, they don't. He's shipped them off to boarding school. I'm sure if Nicole wanted custody, she could get it, but she'd probably have to face "the Church." And, there is no telling what she was wrangled into signing in the divorce case just in order to be able to get the heck away from Tom.
Scientologists heed to Xenu. Look it up. Wacko/quacko cult.
Teenagers will stay where their friends are if given a choice.
This is very true. And, if parents are zoned for different school systems, they will a lot of times pick which parent to live with based on which school they want to go to. In the world of a teenager, it has more to do with friends, being cool, privileges, and things of that nature rather than who is the best parent.
Also, the child does not decide. The judge decides. The child just gets to have a say in where they want to live. And, really, the only time a child's preference is even taken into consideration is if the judge sees both parents as equally able to provide for the child. If one parent is clearly the better parent yet the kids want to live with the other one because less chores/more freedom/doesn't make them do homework/takes them to disney, etc., then the judge will see through that. It's not as cut and dry as saying "ok, where do you want to live?"
Ah, an enlightened one. Very good real world observation. And once the kid breaks up with their sweetheart, that's when the desire to live with the other parent far far away becomes a nice convenient option.
The best thing that happened to Nicole Kidman was when Tom Cruise left her for Penelope Cruz and the best thing that happened to Penelope Cruz was when she and Tom Cruise broke up. Nicole and her husband Keith Urban were on Oprah a month or so ago and she never seemed happier. She also said that she and Penelope Cruz were friends....I know they were in an all star cast movie few years ago....and that's probably when they became friends. Anyways....both are better of without him.
How can you say she has never been happier? If you do not know her personally, you do not know anything about her feelings. She is not a great actress, but she is an actress, and capable of acting however she sees fit while being interviewed. All the actors do it when on television-duh!
She is a rotten mother. Anyone who moves away from their children. does not love them. She was divorced before she met her current husband, and if she was a good mother, when she was starting that relationship she would have made clear she would not move away from them. Her husband does not have to live in any particular city, he could travel back and forth for work. Obviously neither of them care enough about the children to stay around them.
to Susan. I'm a simple guy. I could be a smart guy that just chooses to be simple. It's very simple to me. I DO love my kids. I assume you love yours. There is not a bone in my body, a muscle among my tissue including my brain that would allow me to decide to move far away from my children unless it HELPED them in some way. Yes I CAN imagine reasons I would have to do so for their benefit. We're talking Nicole Kidman and keith Urban here Susan. They don't HAVE to, they aren't doing it FOR the kids, it is THEIR choice. Keith is no innocent, don't just blame Nicole. He is holding her hand as she chooses to live thousands of miles from her kids. In fact I blame him more. I'm an older man and do still believe men tend to hold the reins.
She is better with her real child. Let the others live with the weirdo.
That is a horrible thing to say, just because the two older children did not come from her womb does not mean they are not her "real" children as you say. Love and family is what makes a child yours. You seem very heartless, she and Tom did a very selfless thing by adopting two babies without families and giving them one.
Wow. You're just a piece of crap. Really you are.
When a parent adopts a child, thats their child. There's not "the real kids and the one we picked up at the store a few years ago".
Did your parents have any smart children who managed to live?
Wut an ignorant comment, "real" child. Once a parent adopts a child that child becomes their "real" child. Speaking from the viewpoint of an adopted child. Not many things makes me more angry as when i'm asked if i knew who my "real" parents were. Yes, they're the ones people who adopted me! I am their real child and they are my real parents, thank you very much!
It's sad that Nichole has to talk about her children/private life in public.
I guess that's what Hollywood bozo's say when your a bad mommie.
Awwwww....... poor baby...........
It's the Scientology thing that bothers me. I seriously doubt that Nicole never sees them. I also don't see her decision as an "ultimatum". She asked these children whether they wanted to live with Tom or herself, and obviously, being kids, they did not make the decision based on whether they wanted to live with Tom over Nicole, but only that they did not want to leave California, and most likely their friends in California. So is anyone actually saying Nicole should have stayed in California when her husband lives in Nashville.....for career reasons? She was put between a "rock and a hard place". HOw old were they when Nicole and Tom divorced? I would bet that in the future these kids will have a lot to say about the decision they made.....if they were allowed to be really candid about it. Stay tuned. Sad all around.
I went through exactly that same thing when my ex and I divorced. I moved to Alaska and my ex moved to California. The kids chose to live with their dad because they didn't want to "live in igloos in freezing Alaska". They were old enough to decide so what could I do? It was heartbreaking.
Ummmm, just a thought...stay where the kids are? What do you mean "what could I do?"
Why would you move so far away from your kids?
Ditto. Why would you move away from your kids and put that pressure on them. They're kids! And they need both parents!
You definitely could have done something more kid friendly than to move to Alaska immediately after a divorce. Did you truly expect the kids to follow you if they had a choice? Alaska has it's merits, but did you even discuss this with them first? Did your ex discuss his move with the kids first? Sounds like you both put yourselves first and then acted helpless about the outcome with the kids. You acted like child yourself.
From everything I've read about it, I'm pretty sure one of the reason she doesn't want to go there is because the "church" of scientology will sue her if she says anything negative about it. I think she's a smart woman, and I'm glad she's away from Tom and very happy in Nashville now. I do feel bad about her older kids though.
You know...they're all nuts...Cruise...Kidman...Holmes...Urban...the kids. Which kid picks which parent to live with would be like trying to understand the interactions between patients on a psyche ward. Lives like theirs is no Norman Rockwell painting.
You sai d what I and many others I am sure are thinking-they are all crazy white trash!!
Is anyone else wondering where these kids are if they live with Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise? Those two are spotted everywhere trotting the globe with their 4-year-old they treat like an infant and are their teenagers just hanging out with "nannies" in LA? I feel bad for them, both sets of parents have moved on with their new families and kids... they're just kind of left in the dark
The kids are at Scientology boarding school in rural Oregon. I know this for a fact.
please don't feel alone b/c i was totally wondering the same thing. I feel bad for these kids sent off 2 boarding school. Goodness how tramatizing to be adopted by Tom Cruise. I wonder how they felt about their decision to live with dad when they found out they were moving to Oregon?
Amen, Amy. Until I read this, I didn't know they existed! That's what I get for choosing to stay with Ward instead of June. As for religion, does anyone really believe thay are in LA for dad, or religion, or anything other than the opportunity to be spoiled and do whatever they want? We'll hear of them again when someone gets knocked up, or knocks someone up.
Then again, they may just be well-adjusted kids wanting to stay out of the spotlight. Off to google them now, since I've never seen them.
nelleellen: if you claim that you should give support for your statement, like your source of information. Otherwise you sound like one of those people who say they know something but really know absolutely nothing at all.
My daughter's best friend also attended there, and was the daughter's roommate in the dorms. I won't share names since they are all under age.
I live in the town that this school is located and they are attending. It's the Delphian School in Sheridan, OR.
I thought that about these adopted kids many years ago. When Nicole and Tom adopted these kids it was more like a novelty for them. It appears neither Tom or Nicole have a meaningful loving relationship with either of these kids. They will provide for them because of their enormous wealth but their love is showered on their biological children.
No kidding the kids wanted out. The older she gets, the more she looks like an evil Chucky doll.
Hey, thanks!! I knew she reminded me of someone!!
Imagine her married to john Gruden. Now that would be freaky. But I'd have to say I would still bang her any night of the week.
Obviously you do...moron
@MAN YOU ARE DUMB: I love your name and post! LMAO!
Nicole Kidman has more than enough means to visit her children at any given time, they are in the same country for heavens sake- Them living w/their father has nothing to do with whatever relationship she chooses to have with them
Agree with you completely.....
It's probably more along the lines of what kind of relationship Tom chooses for Nicole to have with the kids. He's a control freak and has more than enough means to manipulate the situation to his standards.
What a heartbreak for her. Considering their father jumps on furniture and seems to be a kid himself, no wonder the kids want to be in Toyland.
Of course she could have stayed in L.A. if she really wanted to...
Exactly!! I recently got divorced and we live in the same town but my ex will likely be getting remarried by spring and his gf lives an hour away....I am already stressing about how in the world an hour away will work and if I"ll have to move too, etc. Neither one of us would consider moving across the country no matter WHO the kids chose to live with. It must suck to have your kids choose dad over you, but she didn't have to move so far away either.
Reply to Yup's comment "It must suck to have your kids choose dad over you...."
Don't you mean "other parent over you"? As if choosing dad is somehow the extreme, foreign choice.
SHE could have chosen to stay in LA – her husband couldn't. The singer songwriters can live wherever because they just hole up somewhere, write an album, then come out and record. Her husband has to keep in the loop, scrap for that next buzz-worthy hit song that's making the rounds in town or all of the good ones go to other singers.
I agree. Regardless of who your children decide to live with, you stay close to your children. She should've stayed in L.A. to be near them. Perhaps they chose Tom because he lived in LA and had she stayed here, they would've lived with her. Regardless of the reason why they chose to live with Tom, you don't move away from where your kids are (while they are still kids).
Both Nicole AND Keith could live in LA if they wanted to because both have enough $$$ that they never have to ever work another day in their life again. Where they live is up to them and they chose not to live in LA. Maybe, just maybe, the kids wanted to maintain what little stability they had in their lives by staying in LA with Tom.
Obviously there is something there that we don't know about for BOTH kids to choose dad over mom. She makes it sound like she gave the kids an ultimatume and usually when you do that, you lose.
There are probably many places that Nicole Kidman prefers "not to go" when it comes to her relationship with Tom Cruise. Scientology is only a small part of the picture. Even so, the first thing Scientology does is separate children from parents who are not part of the "church". Typical cult.
I wouldn't say that's typical cult behavior. I haven't heard of christians or catholics focusing on separating their kids from non-believing parents. Those are clearly cults as well.
@Henry C Colon :: Oh look...you made a funny!! ha-ha-ha-ha. Let me address your ignorant prideful statement. The definition of a cult is as follows: "a sect considered to be unorthodox or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader". THEREFORE...since conventional society has been created by Christianity...it is not a cult. so STFU and read a book
Every religion starts as a cult, Christianity included. So yes, Scientology is a cult, but it's slowly emerging as a religion as it gains more followers just like Christianity did so long ago when the majority of people opposed it and it's leaders were hunted down for thinking outside of conventional society.
Scientology is a cult manufactured by L. Ron Hubbard, a failed science fiction writer who was looking for a way to make money. The mythos he created as the basis for Scientology, which no Scientologist will even discuss, is the most preposterous, amateurish sci-fi scenario imaginable. Everything that Hubbard did in developing the so-called church was to ensure its growth. Today, it is a deceitful, powerful and dangerous organization that tears families apart and harasses anyone who dares to question its activities. Tom Cruise is a Scientology zombie and his adopted children are on their way to following in his footsteps without ever having had a chance to hear the facts about that belief system. I have a lot of sympathy for what Nicole Kidman must be going through. And I have nothing but disdain for Tom Cruise, whose entire life is a lie.
I feel for her especially considering her lack of comment about Scientology or lack of wanting to go there. I would hope the kids would at least try to see their mother some during the year. As to being spoiled, yes, I can see Tom doing that. I mean, I can still see the clips of him jumping up and down on furniture during Oprah.
Maybe she values her privacy and prefers not to discuss private family matters with the public.
nicole must be upset that her children are being raised in a cult scientology run by for-profit nutjobs whose spiritual leader hubbard is a pedophile and clearly states that their worship be directed toward alien culture he wrote about in sci-fi novels.
nah...she made her choice a long time ago.
Hubbard died in 1986. Get your facts straight before you sound off!
She didn't have a problem with it when she met Tom or adopted the kids with Tom. She only cares now because the kids don't want to be with her.
I would be equally appalled if they were being raised Christian, Muslim or Jewish.
For all of you bashing Scientology, remember the same points about "brain-washing, for-profit, pedophiles, etc." can and does apply to every religion. I'm not into any of these, but it seems like the pot calling the kettle black. Pretty amusing.
I hate to say it, but when kids decide to go with daddy it's usually because they know he will spoil them and they can get away with more, especially older teens. I hope they aren't turning into spoiled brats.
Spoiled brats? I think that's the least of their worries. I'd be more concerned about the more realistic probability that they are turning into brainwashed scientologist kooks like pops.
"Usually"?? Is that right? My kids both chose to live with me instead of their mother and I am by far the stricter parent. Their mom lives in a million dollar mansion with a heated pool and lavish things and yet they chose to live with me in my duplex. However, I wouldn't start spouting off about how "usually" it's because the father is a much better parent etc. In the Cruise case I would think it has alot more to do with LA vs Nashville from a teen's perspective...although I love Music City and would have picked that over LA in a second!
Yea, maybe they should be brainwashed Christians or Catholics instead. The kids should be exposed to multiple religions or belief structure and be allowed to choose which one they want to follow, if any. When you are a kid you typically follow what you are exposed to so where is the choice if only given one option? You or anyone else may have been raised Catholic or Jewish but that doesn't mean you should force it upon your children. You may not have been given a choice by your parents but that doesn't mean you or anyone else has to follow the same brain-washing tradition either. This includes being just exposed to Scientology.
Christians or Catholics. That shows how much you know about religion. Catholics ARE Christians. Try religion before you bash it, please
Or maybe they have someone close to their age in Tom's house with whom they can relate. Aahh the joy of being the stepmom.
I hate to say it but people who make blanket statements about males and their ability to be the better parent are shallow minded at best and likely not the brightest people on Earth.
You are a seck-ist pig. You must have been unfit as a mother to get custody of your children or something.....and it shows.
If you actually had any sort of self-consciousness after death, you would be severly disappointed to find out that there is no paternalistic figure in the sky that was guiding your life. Sorry to hear you are wasting years of your life on a charatcter in a fiction book - really, you are no different than Mr. Cruise.
The irony of of all the anti-scientology comments: Romans said the same thing about Christians when Jesus was living
@Claus, God will prove to you his existance if you are ready to meet him on his terms. Are you ready to do what it takes to meet him? If not, well, you've rejected him.
Lots of kids want to live with their daddy since some moms like to talk bad about their dads. Take a look at you right now. "Kids want to live with their dads because they spoil them". Just great!!!!! Enough with the mommy is good and the daddy is bad talk. How about the fact that you are NOT the only one they love?
@Carol Maybe they would rather live with their dad because their mom, lets just call her Carol, jump to rediculous conclusions and decide things with emotion as opposed to rational thinking.
@ Carol, Yes Carol that is why prison are full of men who were raised by single Mothers. It is usually Mothers that let their kids run all over them. Men are usaully the disciplinarian.That is why fathers are so important. Look how badly kids behave today now that fathers have been so devalued by people such as yourself.
Actually it has been found, that mothers have a greater problem with their kids becoming criminals. They obviously lack the ability of men to keep kids in line.
Concerning Cruise, there is an idiot whose stupidity is multiplied by his money. And that is a lot.
Or they don't want to live with their shrew of a mother who can't move on and remains bitter becasue of she can't understand how any man could leave her.
Carol, your talking out you a#$
Given a choice, Teens choose the parent they respect the most– most often the Father.
How can you make a blanket statement like "usually when kids go with their father its because he spoils them"? Do you honestly think that women universally make better parents than men? I pity the poor guy who chooses to procreate with you.
Carol: Just want to point at that was just a plain, stupid, ignorant comment. To generalize that MEN cannot be fathers... well, speaks on its own.
Seriously? Pompous ass. Your comment obviously from someone with experience with a "BAD" husband. He probably RAN as fast as he could from a pure beach. Some kids go with their fathers because they provide a loving, nurturing environment rather than live in a black environment surrounded by hate and disdain.
What a complete pile of bull. Just as often they choose to live with their dad because the dad is a better parent. Not all moms are better at parenting... believe me, I see bad parenting every day (unfortunately) and it's often the mother. The legal system is finally coming around to see it that way as well.
Carol, I hate to say it but, when kids go with Mom during the weekends, every weekend is a party weekend with that side of the family. For the kids, this experience builds up a very nice expectation that every DAY will be a party day with that side of the family. Good so far. So, when the kids finally go to live with mom and realize that this is not the case because, hey, cousins have their own sets of friends that want to hang with them, and all the Aunts credit cards are tapped out, reality sets in. So, will depression, and depending on the stability of the character of the kids or, lack thereof, feel free to include one or more choices of well known addictive vices.
I really tire of these kinds of blanket statements about parenting. Particularly these bitter statements about fathers. And this is coming from a divorced single mother. When my ex and I evaluated custody arrangements, we decided, like mature adults, what would be in the best interest of our child. Of course we both wanted custody. Rather than run to the old "Children belong with their mother" or "fathers provide more discipline" arguments, we evaluated a number of things before deciding (on our own without the yak yak from lawyers and judges and blah blah blah) that primary physical custody would go to me. IIt was (and is) about our child, not about us. Any number of things could happen to cause us to re-evaluate our decision.
I won't bother to speculate about Tom and Nicole. But all of this about him turning them into spoiled rotten brats and him (or fathers in general) lacking the ability to parent is just so cheap. It could very well be the case, but it could just as easily not be the case. These types of sweeping assumptions are so corrosive to our society. I've known some absolutely lousy mothers. I've known some absolutely lousy fathers. Sometimes they're both great parents and it just shakes out however it happens to shake out.
That said, I'm also tired of hearing that mothers lack the ability to be disciplinarians – it's just another unfortunate generalization. I'm not going to dispute the stats about crimes and single moms – I will note that it is important to dig deeper into that general statistic because there is much more to it. Again, anecdotally, I know great disciplinarians (and people raised by single disciplinarians) on both sides.
When raising a child in a single parent home (or any home really), it's not the old gender roles that matter – it's the role of being a parent that matters. Do what is necessary to raise a happy, healthy and well behaved kid. Who knows, maybe the day will come when my child decides it is necessary to go live with Dad for whatever reason. While I'd hate to be seperated from him, I like to think that I'd be mature enough as a parent to be positive about the situation and do what is in his best interest. Not mine.
When my parents separated, I chose to stay with my father – not because I didn't want to live with my mom or because I preferred my dad, but because staying with my father meant keeping what I thought was the most important thing in my life at the time – my circle of friends. Staying with my dad meant keeping things as much the same as possible. Moving with my mom was an unknown, and that was scary. I'm now in my mid-30s and have a far better relationship with my mom than my dad.
My nephew went to the same school as Isabella and Connor about six years ago and said that all the students loved them because they were the complete opposite of snobs. They were very sweet, down-to-earth and somewhat shy kids who wanted and expected to be treated exactly like all their peers. They never mentioned their parents in terms of them being famous; and only referred to them as mom and dad.
Really Carol? Spoiled by the father? Please!!!! Spoken like a true female, uneducated, yet full of nonsense. It's women like you who have, by their own "societal brainwashing" against fathers, that have given real Fathers who are real men an unfair rap in the "judicial system". UNBEKNOWNST TO YOU, CAROL, THERE ARE STILL REAL FATHERS OUT THERE THAT CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN, FATHERS WHO WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO GET AN EDUCATION AND BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.
Wow, what a stupid comment. Talk about stereotyping an entire group of people. Sure, it happens. But definitely not "usually." And, um, the exact same comment can be made about mothers. Duh.
"when kids decide to go with daddy it's usually because they know he will spoil them and they can get away with more..."
Just for fun I'd like your opinion on my situation Carol. Yes I am asking because of what you just said that I think was very wrong. I'm not exactly poverty stricken but I'm not rich either. I make a LITTLE more money than my ex-wife but she is money hungry (a self-professed blackwidow) and always has some rich man taking care of her. So she's pretty well loaded. Yet the kids; 14 boy 13 boy and 8 girl all chose me. That was 3 years ago. Her and her boyfriend are loaded, take cruises and stuff. We are struggling but get by. As far as I can tell, none of them are changing their minds yet.
Yeah, I don't want to go there either. But I feel sorry for Nicole. She must miss them. That must be really hard for her. I hope my children dont decide to go with their father once they become teens.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm glad, though, that she's not trying to force the kids or pressure them or anything. I think that's a good sign of a loving parent who recognizes her kids' feelings.
Who says she didn't have a say? Maybe she went along with it, even if she doesn't like it. Tom Cruise was a Scientologist when she met him and when they adopted and when they broke up. If the kids live with him they live by his rules. Just like when they live with her they live by hers.
@ chachi......Each parent can raise their child as they please. Nicole can take them to a catholic church if she wants. She doesn't. She should probably stop complaining about it since she didn't have a problem with it when they were married.
Scientologists can be very demanding & threatening. She didn't have a chance to compromise with that group. I hope the children make up their own minds before they are brainwashed by that cult. How a religion is formed after a book is published is beyond me.
I feel sorry for any girl that was with Tom Cruise. Great actor but it is painfully obvious he is a wack job. One of my favorite youtube videos was when that kid squirted Tom in the face with water. Truely a classic.
@chachi The kids should have a say in their religious upbringing, just like they did with their choice of who to live with. If the kids want to be Scientologists, Mormons, Catholic, or anything else, that's their choice. Obviously parents can give guidance and try to help their kids see what they think is best for them, but ultimately it's up to the kids.
Besides, most Mormons that I know are pretty nice people :)
More and more kids, not just teens are living with their fathers. I am a single dad of a 4 yr old whom Ive had sole custody of since he was 14 months old. I would not have it any other way... On a side note Nicole Kidman is hot!
from past pictures and outing, I have NEVER seen her hug those kids or any type if affection, she was very cold, again this is from my view, I hope it is not true.
Raising kids as scientologists ought to count as criminal child abuse.
Tom is a wierd guy. So wierd that I just can't stand the guy nor his movies. Scientology is a freak show cult and those who believe in it are freaks too. The kids can make thier own choice as to where they live. Sometimes as parents we have to make choices or sacrifices too in order to maintain a relationship with our kids. It's part of the grown up world and that of being an involved parent.
Don't want to go there? I'll go there. They're a religious cult founded on the rantings of a science-fiction writer. But whatever you do, don't mention.......................Xenu!!! (Aaarrgh!)
I hear ya. But, she has the means to live anywhere she would like. She also does a lot of work in LA. Why doesn't she just move to LA?
equality DOES work both ways... UNTIL children are being forcibly brain-washed to join cults. which is what is happening if they are being raised as christian scientologists.
THere teenagers now, They will make their own choic on religion. If they think DAD is nuts they won't follow him into Scientolgy. THere are thousands of religions and everyone thinks there religion is superior. IF and this is a big if, if there is a god, a higher power, there is only one. He must be busy catering to all of the religions.
It would be great if his kids just became Agnostics.
Christianity and Scientology are mutually exclusive to each other. While Scientology will tell you that you can be a Christian and join you do eventually have to choose them over Jesus. Do some research before you mouth off.
And, Tom lets them jump on the sofa...
@camille what do you mean, not like one of their own? if they adopted them then legally they are "their own." I am adopted and i found your comment highly offensive.
I also found Camille's statement offensive, and I'm not adopted, nor have I adopted a child. So ignorant.
Her son was only 10 years old when she and Tom Cruise separated. THAT is not a teenager. She didn't get her kids because she selfishly left this country. NOW she lives in the US, because that's where her husband wants to be. But she would not live in the US even if it meant losing her kids. She's playing the victim, when the reality is that she's very selfish.
For all the people that think the teenagers get to choose their religion, you should look at custody paperwork some time. The parents choose... everything.
Many parents will do anything to brainwash their child against another parent, and I'm sure that is what she is up against. I've seen it far too often.
Your name is Francis and your a girl? Do you have a boy named Sue?
The sooner you face reality that at some point in your kids lives they will want to spend it with their biological father, you'll be a better person for it. If you have spent any amount of time teaching your children not to be selfish then, you better had wake up to the reality that you're being a hypocrite in the presence of your children. ...and from what I can remember about being a kid, none of us kids appreciated hypocrites. The word itself, one of many three syllable words become part of our initial vocabulary. If you care about your image as a parent, don't let "hypocrite" be your prominent face. They'll lose respect for you in light of your flawed credibility.
I hope not either Francis. There is nothing more heartbreaking for a mother to live through a divorce you may not have wanted then on top of that lose your kids. Pray you don't go through it. Its a pain you will never lose.
If my kids "picked" their dad...I would not skip town :(
I am no fan of Tom...I think he has a screw or two missing, but atleast he stepped up to be a dad, and honored his responsibilities.
Nicole is madly in love with Sunday Rose....her adopted kids were just novelty items, which wore off...Shame on you; parenting by flesh or by choice is a lifetime commitment. Nicole just showed here now shallow she is. How much rejection can Isabella and Connor handle. Shame on you Nicole....I wish there was a license for having children...Nicole you would never get one!!!
No matter which cult (religion) a child is raised in when the become teenagers most if not all start to question that cult and will make up their own minds what to believe or not ! (especially in California) Nicole must believe that the kids living in California with Cruise is ecceptable or she would have taken it all to the courts. 10 points for Nicole !!!!!
Raising kids as Christian ought to be considered child abuse as well, so enough with your ignorant , "My man made religion is better routine", it's a little stale.
Nicole Kidman DOES have a choice – she could move to LA to be close to her children. She CHOSE to live in Nashville. Didn't anyone catch that? I think she has enough money and sway to make that choice.
Spoken like a true female. Kids need a father much more than they need a mother when they're in their teens. I hope they don't choose you.
I don't like to judge, but if one person out there can tell me that John Travolta and Tom Cruise aren't guy and prove it......I'll believe otherwise. Cult is cult is cult. Like someone said earlier, write a book and create a religion with rich people. That's how it works. Until it all comes crashing down. Why do you think they adopted? Hello? He wasn't going near here, didn't work for him.
Obviously, I mean't to say gay instead of guy...not a word I'm used to typing. As for the earlier posters talking about kids being thankful for spending time with their sons....you're right. Boys/young men at a certain age especially...well, any age really.....need to have male figures besides boysfriends/stepfathers, et cetera, of their moms. My son has been with me since 2 and just decided at 15 he wanted to live with his dad. I'm fine with it. He needs it. Boys do need their dads. I can't take him out to do the guys stuff and that's okay with me at his age. It defines their life, religion or not.
She lost her kids? Doesn't that only happen when the mom's a drug addict or ho?
I don't know many mothers that agree to give their kid up to the father. Maybe Tom isn't the bad guy here.I give him an A for holding on to his children. Some women after divorce want their own space. Maybe Kidman is one of those.
It cuts both ways but the courts are unfair in the direction of the cutting. Always have been and probably always will be.
That has to be a big hit for the City of Nashville. Kids opting for L.A. over Nashville.
As a father who lost and has had no contact with his 2 children for over 7 yrs., I have a bias towards those "Mothers" that seem to think that they have a "court ordered right" to have their children live with them. That is hogwash! "Mom" in my case successfully brainwashed my children against me. Now, "Mom" is a drunk, my kids have never graduated from high school, my daughter has turned into a pot smoking, drunk, while my son has become a loser. Thanks, "Mom"...oh, by the way, "Mom" is still receiving child support, guess I'm still paying for her alcohol. WAY TO GO, OREGON!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I feel sorry for Nicole too! It's got to be difficult to try and compete with Hollyweird! But, as she states the kids had a choice and chose to live with Tom. Goes to show her loving and caring for not forcing them to go along with her lifestyle but it does sound likes she hurting too! Doesn't sound like she has much leverage in the situation. These kids might love it now but who knows, this could be their downfall in the end.
You people who are attacking Francis R. are idiots. She didn't say anything wrong. And she didn't say one negative word about Tom Cruise. All she said was that she feels bad that Nicole doesn't have her kids and that she hopes she doesn't lose her own kids. In both cases, the reference wasn't about the ex-husbands at all; it was about the feelings of the mothers not having their children. So as much as some of you want to believe that Francis R. was in some way trashing Tom Cruise or her own ex-husband, she wasn't!
"Yeah, I don't want to go there either. But I feel sorry for Nicole. She must miss them. That must be really hard for her. I hope my children dont decide to go with their father once they become teens."
In reality, if town preference was all there was to it, she could easily life in LA and help raise her own kids. It may be that her husband wants to live in Nashville for his work and she may feel obligated due to various factors, but if her kids are being raised as Scientologists primarily because she doesn't want to live in LA and they do, one would think she could at least live there part time. Other than the Scientology mess, they are likely well raised. But, religious beliefs are a big thing.
She long ago admitted not bonding with them, and them calling her Nicole and not Mom.
After the divorce the children were never with her. She never mentioned them again, And no interviewer asked her about her kids because she always demanded that no interviewer ask her about it. Even now she'lll go on Regis and Kelly and talk about her "daughter Rose", as though her other kids were dead.
Her children were very young when she divorced and according to the LAW she could have demanded shared custody, but SHE gave custody to Tom, in some sort of agreement that we will never know, but her being a worse mother than a cat had something to do with it, and, of course, Tom wanting them totally devoted to him and Scientology without sharing, which she could have fought but did NOT CARE to...
Until they were 18 each parent is by law supposed to deliver the kids to the other parent for their time with the kids, whether they want to or not. If kids refuse to see their mother than the mother and kids needed to be in therapy, and not NICOLE just ditch them. I always thought it was sick that Nicole never took them anywhere with her, she was always photographed without them, whereas now she is always photographed with Rose.
Don't panic....just think about this.....ALL religions are cults !! They say if you don't believe how they do...then you will lose your families in "heaven" or not even go to "heaven" if you haven't been sprinkled. I am profoundly spirituial. I answer to a higher power..Not some mortal earthling that is popular enough to be "picked" by others....Ok...now you may holler !! lol
Doesn't anyone remember Nicole playing the part of clueless victim when Tom announced their divorce days before their 10th wedding anniversary? The marriage, adoptions, divorce, and current living arrangements all reek of a pre-arranged contractual agreement. I think Nicole is possibly one of the most ambitious actresses out there- maybe she sold 10 years of her life to Tom in exchange for fame, and it worked very well. Which could be why she doesn't have a lot of pull with the older kids, and has no say in the religion.
Have you ever raised teenagers? You may want them to go live with their dad by then! Then you can get back together with them when they become young adults.
But seriously, Tom is a control freak and a perfectionist. I'm happy for Nicole! She has a great guy that loves her and they have a child together – a nice family. She deserves happiness.
They are teens stupid. Didn't you read the article?
Divorce is a tough thing-and children often go for the candy.Tom Cruise seems like an egomaniac Scientology cult figure. Katy Holmes looks like shes on a bumpy ride. Nicole deserved better.I think she's the unfortunate parent that got the bad end of the stick.
I disagree. No matter the religious belief, you DON'T leave your children, biological or not. Nicole should not receive any pity but her children should. I really wonder if she doesn't want to have anything to do with the son because he's mixed race. A lot of white women, post divorce, shun the mixed child. Especially, living in Nashville. And Isabella isn't a beauty queen. Nicole is shallow and empty to dump her kids.
They were young enough not to have that decision to make. What mother wouldn't fight to have their kids with them? Don't tell me that crap that California was the reason.
You can only hope that both parents recognize what is best for the child. My husband and his ex-wife have joint custody of their son. When he was nine years old, she wanted to move out of state but before she did, they discussed it and recognized that it would be best for their child to have both parents so, while it wasn't best for us, personally, we agreed to move so that we could all be near each other. He is now a teenager and although he may wish to live with us now, my husband and I would both try to make him understand that having both parents in his life is the best solution for everyone as long as there is no abuse, drugs, alcohol or neglect taking place.
Me too...that was a nice set.
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