 Anne Rice leaves ChristianityLegendary author Anne Rice has announced that she’s quitting Christianity. The “Interview with a Vampire” author, who wrote a book about her spirituality titled "Called Out of Darkness: A Spiritual Confession" in 2008, said Wednesday that she refuses to be “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.” Rice wrote, “For those who care, and I understand if you don't: Today I quit being a Christian ... It's simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I've tried. I've failed. I'm an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”
Rice then added another post explaining her decision on Thursday: “My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me," Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
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Good for Anne. She definitely speaks the truth.
Those reasons are the same ones why I left Christianity too.
I live in a state that has so many fine Christians that I am ashamed to admit where I live. Throughout my life of 60 odd years, I have attended/been a member of several Christian Churches. Most Christian Ministers seem to get their messages straight from Fox News and manage to bring politics, racism, health care, or immigration, into every sermon. For a group that professes to "Love Thy Neighbor", the all mighty dollar seems to rule the day. With all of these fine folks looking out for their own dollar, their own property, or their own hides, they have no interest in living in harmony or caring for others less fortunate. It seems to me that supremacist ideals have replaced the words of Christ and the consequences are more apparent each day.
Anne is correct. Possibly if more people think for themselves, they might actually follow her lead.
She hasn't quit Christianity, she's quit the church. There's a difference.
I agree with you, Stan, and with many of the comments in a similar vein. In my view, Jesus' message is simple and clear; love God, love your neighbor, love yourself. Everything else that clouds and complicates this message was added over the centuries by people with various social and political agendas.
What a shame the "so-called" Christians have brought to her body! The Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever. Our focus should remain on Him and not His followers. That is true. Ravening wolfs have always been inside the flock. We should never give up on Christ, which Ann did not do. I'm glad she still has her hope pinned on Jesus. For those that quit, don't give up. The Bible says "He that endures till the end, shall be saved". Also somewhere it says to the effect if one gives up my soul shall have no pleasure in him. I think this is Pauls' quote. Either way, don't give up. – Amazinfacts dot o r g.
Matthew 24 verse 9-11 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Most of the comments I read about this are politically motivated, not religious at all. This is appropriate since Ms. Rice wrote a political article, not a religious one.
I agree with Shannon – she didn't quit Christianity, she quit the people who comprise the church – and yes, there is a difference. It's as if I wanted to quit being white because i abhor discrimination and bigotry. "Dale quits being White". Yeah, right. Silly headline. Either you are A Christ-follower (definition of a Christian) – or not. Sounds to me like she just wants to be a better one. If that's the case, then, good for her – and for Christianity.
Macy, I am sad that those of us who follow Christ have so warped his teachings that you cannot see his love. I took the challenge to study the four gospels looking for What Did Jesus DO rather than focusing on what he said. I have learned so far that what he did was relentlessly follow his purpose and continually cut to the chase when the "religious" people blathered at him. He gave clear messages of God's love. Sad happenings like the tragedies you mention are part of living in a fallen world. We are no longer in Eden, where everything existed in perfection. With true (not blind) faith, we open the way for God to move in and through us for our own blessing and for others. I see it happen all the time. My faith began before my memory of it. I grew up knowing that God healed me when I was four and was given 1 chance in 100 to live thru the night. My grandfather prayed all night, "If it be Thy will, let the child live." I have a personal relationship now with the Lord that is as tangible as my grandfather's. I lift a prayer for you that you might open yourself to Christ, in spite of the poor example some of his followers show you. You could no more convince me that the Lord does not exist than you could that my best friend does not exist.
While I appreciate what Ms. Rice has said, and agree with many of her sentiments, she has actually left the Church, not Christianity. She can't really have it both ways, to love Christ and follow Christ is to remain Christian, she has left the Church. This is one of the problems, the assumption that the Church is God. That is idolatry. The Church is, and always will be a human endeavor, therefore flawed. I hate to see people like Rice getting out of it, leaving it only to those who she has, I believe rightly, has singled out, and leaving it to those of us who do feel sympathy with her views to struggle on. She would be welcomed in most Episcopal Churches as well.
Hi Stan,
Good for Anne. I agree with her that leaving the Christianity she mentions is a good idea. There are different levels of Christianity though and there is more to the religion of Christianity than what Anne has experienced with those who hate and call themselves Christians. There have always been hypocrites who claim they are special because they "believe" in Jesus. They do what they want and think that Jesus' death on the cross gives them license to sin because they can't help themselves as they are "sinners". They are sinners because they don't know anything about God. They just know what they "believe" about God and they "believe" that they are right.
The challenge for Anne -and this is something only she and the Lord truly knows- is still LOVING the Body of Christ, including "church folk" who are also followers of Christ in their profession as well as practice. I don't advocate not being a part of a "traditional" church (Baptist, AG, Presbyterian, Non-Denominational), however for those who have left the church -and not Christ Himself- they will need a healthy replacement...a fellowship with other Believers, both mature and unmature, because we need to learn from those who are more mature and learn patience, long suffering and to LOVE those who are less spiritually mature.
That's where the challenge lies for some is where do they go, how do they find it, create it, get "plugged in" so to speak, etc. However, if Anne is struggling with something different, perhaps looking for a perfect church, then she's not going to find it anywhre on a place called Planet Earth. God created us perfectly, however WE aren't perfect.
Therefore, whether she or people like her are prepared to truly embrace Christians (including "church folk"), love christians and demonstrate a willingness to help her brothers and sisters in Christ to mature in Christ (Rom. 8:29; 12:2) then I would have to question what she's really trying to accomplish. If the world is a mission field (and it is), then who can say that the Church does not represent a place where many mature Christians (such as Anne Rice) can model Christ for those who are not at her level spiritually?
It's one thing to be CALLED by God to leave a church and perhaps do something different. However, to throw your hands up and leave because of frustration is just down right silly! What if Christ Himself ["who is able to keep us from falling", according to Jude 1:24] one day said, (using Anne Rice's quote, of course) "For Those Who Care, And I Understand If You Don't: Today I Quit Being The Lord and Savior of Everyone On the Planet -or who Ever LIVED on the Planet for that matter- Who Professes To Be A Christian...It's Simply Impossible For Me (The Lord of All) To Belong To You Quarrelsome, Hostile, Disputatious, And Deservedly Infamous Group of People!
Since Dying On the Cross For Your Sins, Being Resurrected From The Dead By God Through The Power Of The Holy Spirit AND Sending The Holy Spirit of Promise To Live On The Inside Of YOU...For the Past 2,000+ Years GOD KNOWS That I've Tried!!! I've Tried, BUT YOU HAVE FAILED. YOU Are Outsiders, MY HOLINESS WILL NOT ALLOW NOTHING ELSE!"
In other words, Anne may need to look in the mirror, that is unless as of the date that she has ceased from being a "Christian", she is totally free from being "Quarrelsome", "Hostile", "Disputatious" and not to mention a whole host of evil thoughts that runs through her mind from time to time, you know those "secret sins" that only She and Christ Himself knows about.
To state it plainly, she needs to "get a grip" and realize that her faults and shortcomings are just as contagious and evil in the sight of a Holy God as those who she says are "Quarrelsome..." My suggestion to sister Anne would be to spend some time reading 1 John Chapters 4:7-19 and meditate on what the Holy Spirit through the Apostle has to say about that UNDESERVEDLY INFAMOUS four letter word called "LOVE"! ...and if I may, I'll add the word "LONG SUFFERING" to that four letter word.
C'mon, did the Apostle Paul severe himself from the Corinthian Christians? He may have felt like doing so. However, even with respect to the Christian who was sleeping with his father's wife (1 Corinthians 5:1) Paul says "hand this man over to Satan, so that the SINFUL NATURE may be destroyed (i.e, sanctification) and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord". (emphasis mine) He didn't say that this man shouldn't be loved BACK into fellowship with the rest of the people who Paul was addressing in his letter -church folk who obviously had a TON of "issues".
If Paul didn't discard the Corinthians, then why should Anne Rice separate herself? What if her sin issues are so great in the eyes of someone else that they say "Anne, I just can't hang with you any longer...!" Where does it end? Bottom line Christians need to repent and those who feel as though they can no longer 'endure' certain Christians, or the church, etc. should consider whether they have been called by God to leave and launch a new ministry and if not, then they need to return and let Christ love others THROUGH them!
...Ya know, I'm just say'in!
We often quit Christ, but isn't it great that He never quits us. Please read Romans 8.
2 Corinthians 11:4 – You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed (NVT). 1 John 4:1 – Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world (NIV).
Saints, on a higher level, lets not forget that we are engaged in spiritual warfare. We are the army of Christ! The enemy's plan is to divide the body of Christ so to make it easier to conquer us by isolating each one of us, so we are easier to pick off. What army sends it's solders into battle one at a time? That seems what Anne is proposing. I too have been disappointed by many Christians, including a famous pastor, but the fact is, we still need each other to develop spiritually. However, this does not exempt us from using wisdom and discernment the same way we would in the "secular" world. Not everyone who says they are of the spirit is of the spirit. And there are those that are not as developed as others. We need the body of Christ to grow, pain and all, and that means fellowship. Matthew 10:16 – (NKJ) Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Vs 21-22 Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved....
If you are looking for a painless Christianity, it does not exist. But we are still called to Love one another, in spite of the pain, and pray for our enemy and those that spitefully use us. Not run when the going gets tough.....
I think that if Anne took the negative satanic thoughts out of her head and quit writing them for everyone else to experience, she might be able to follow Jesus a lot easier. I do not believe that vampires and the like are things Christ followers should be writing, reading or talking about. Sorry everyone!
Maybe it's time for everyone to realize we all are going to have different faith, and maybe stop judging others. It's really not complicated. And, what difference does it make if you choos to pray in a church or on the steps of a convenience store. as long as you're not doing anything to hurt another person it doesn't really matter.
She might not like us, but if she's telling the truth about her beliefs, then she's still one of us. Christian means one who believes in Christ, not one who believes in Christians or in Christianity. Christianity is about Christ, not about itself. Sister Rice has simply found one more way to be holier than thou. Jesus knew that we Christians would be prone to that weakness; that's why he spent so much time warning us against it.
She'll be back. I know this NOT because of the first blog article she wrote but because of the SECOND blog article that she wrote. People that feel the need to write a second article are justifying their actions. It's human nature. I learned this from interrogations. It doesn't make them a bad person, it just means that even they aren't fully convinced of their actions. Ms. Rice has written books ranging from the erotica (The Sleeping Beauty Series written under a pen name) to the vampire books that she wrote. She is clearly in turmoil. If she doesn't come back publicly, we will find that she has come back with a spiritual adviser because she has too much shame to come back in public. For her sake, I hope that she comes back in public. We, as a people, are a very forgiving culture. I wish her all of the very best and send her my love. <3
Stan,
I wonder if you've ever read William James concerning the Psychology of religion? If not I think you will enjoy his views. He being the father of Psychology of Religion in the US and founder of that school of thought, I think you will agree and appreciate many of his views to add to your very rational views of the subject.
I know I certainly appreciate those who use their brain in the area of religion and question why as a human being they believe what they believe and for what purpose..kuddos to you for being such a human being.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/621
It is disappointing to see so many confuse the freedom granted by God by seeking knowledge rather than seeking wisdom of God the Creator. Politics, Science, Religion aside the truth of the Bible is Worship the Creator rather than our own pre conceived ideas created by man. Knowledge is wonderful, but purpose of life is meaningful. We all have beliefs and have a religous bent including evolution, relative truth, atheism, secularism. All beliefs will not get any of us to a common purpose or strive for peace. It is tragic we blame God for all of our problems, or religion that does not fit the knowledge attained in a secular world. Yes I said it the strongest belief system in America is to aspire knowledge created by man and cling to it. I am thankful to have a very simplistic view. That is to Worshop the one who claimed to be and is the great "i am" The bible is full of rich truth and understanding to one who seeks truth. However without seeking Truth the bible is a bunch of jibberish. I pray we all humble our pride, IQ, and seek truth. Christ claimed to be God, Old testament prophecy, Historical accuracy, back up this claim. Searching scripture is fascinating, seeking Historical context is invigorating. I am thankful Anne still seeks truth in God, I hope she continues to find peace with separation of Religion, Secular thought (a belief) and absolute Truth. (yes I know Absolute truth is sacrilegious to relative truth secular thought of the day).... God Bless America to allow this freedom of open dialogue. A gift from God>
Sounds like Anne Rice is just not down with what broken humans have done to the beautiful relationship of love with God that Jesus made possible for us all. Throughout the history of Christianity we Christians have struggled with turning a life of loving relationship with Him and others into merely a "religion". Religion in the bad sense that Anne has experienced it was anathema to Jesus and needs to be to us too.
God forgive followers of Christ for trading a life of self-sacrificing love for hypocrisy, pride, and judgementalism!
And God bless Anne as He continues to lead her on in her journey.
Being a Christian is not about religion, but your personal relationship with Christ. Your salvation is a gift from God. It cannot be earned or bought. Once you have it, you cannot lose it. I learned that finding the right church is crucial. It took me [and family] quite some time, but we found one. You should never be told what to wear, where to sit, how much to give, or how to feel about certain issues. In our church we agree to sometimes disagree. All the questions unanswered here on earth will be answered in heaven. Please remember, religion is man made. Your relationship with Christ is from God.
As a follower of Christ, Ann is part of His body. "Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it." I Coriinthians 12:27 This is the church – made of many parts though one body. Her gifts are needed in the church which is following the way of love.
Anne may leave Jesus, but Jesus will never give up on Anne
She should consider herself lucky. If she was a muslim she would of been killed.
If Anne still loved the teachings of christ and believes as she does she didnt need to leave. Im a member of the unity church and its an inclusive faith that allows for what she talks about and its biblically based as well. only in unity the bible is taken more metaphysically then litteral. unityDotOrg. is wonderful spiritual path.
She obviously had the wrong Christian friends and leaders. There really is nothing to live up to and no one to be against. Just accept that you are forgiven and loved by The One and Only God. That will determine how you love and forgive others. That's all.
Almost, Anne, almost. This is a good first step. But to be intellectually and morally respectable, you must be an adult and stop believing in fairytales altogether. Seems like you were there at one point, but you regressed.
Actually, Jake, to be "intellectually and morally respectable", you must be an adult and stop telling other adults what they must and must not believe in.
The only thing worse that a smugly self-righteous christian is a smugly self-satisfied atheist.
Last time I checked, the religious sheep were the ones telling us that we would burn in hell because we didn't "believe".
I agree with the replies. If being an atheist means you have to be such a condescending buffoon, I'd almost rather be a christian.
Mark C: you're apparently too stupid to realize that you make my point for me. It's the difference between saying "I don't believe in christianity because..." and "You shouldn't believe in christianity because...". It's the arrogant conceit that says you know the truth, they don't, and it's your genetically and intellectually superior duty to correct them as offensively as possible. Like MD said, it's what makes you such a condescending buffoon.
So, If I stop believing that you exist, you'll disappear ?
Jake, I couldn't have said it better myself. I cannot understand how adults say that don't believe in fairytails like: The easter bunny, santa clause, the tooth fairy, etc. etc. However, they believe in something that is far more hard to believe than a large rabbit that delivers candy to children, or a fat man that can fly around the world in one night delivering presents. They don't believe in non-sense like that. But an invisible being who can hear every person speak to him/her at once, who can heal the sick, feed the hungry, preform miracles, and who has control of the entire universe and everything in it... Who wouldn't believe in that. My favorite is how every current religion claims that their "god" is the one true god, and all others are false. Even though there were many different religions way before them that thought the same thing. Even religions that have almost identical story lines are considered false. I love how brainwashed people are with religion. If there really was a god, wouldn't priests be to afraid of touching all of the boys that they can get their hands on? Wouldn't the so-called "god" make an example of them? In the past, "god" had no problem punishing people on earth rather than waiting till they come to the pearly gates and try to enter. Seems like the priests know that the religion that they preach is nothing more than christian mythology. So they have nothing to fear since death is the end of existance.
So what's morally respectable about intentionally offending as many people as you can for no reason except your own bitterness?
Anne Rice was an atheist and apparently got scared of death, so she turned to god to help her cope. It happens, at least she realized organized religion is a joke.
It would take more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God. The reason there you won't accept God is because you can't accept a righteous moral authority to govern your lives. I'll admit Christians can be buffoons. But that doesn't take away the reality of an existence of God who is incarnate through Jesus Christ.
I'm a big fan of Anne Rice's work, but she seriously needs to make up her mind regarding this issue. I believe this is the third time she has flip flopped between Christian/non-Christian. Also, by definition a Christian is one who follows Christ, so by her own words she is still technically a Christian whether she calls herself one or not.
Well you and all Christians(I am a former Christian) are incorrect. Jesus never wanted people to lose their Jewish roots, everything we consider Christian makes you a Paulian. Jesus wanted Jews to get back to their Jewish roots....back to the basic laws provided by Yahweh, man later added all the sacrifices and rituals. More God worship less rituals. Paul came around(after Jesus by the way...never met the man) and went around preaching HIS gospel.
She hasn't given up being a Christian (someone who follows the teachings of Christ)... she's just given up on Christianity (the organized religion SURROUNDING and GUIDING those who follow the teachings of Christ). Her point is well made – she found herself following the teachings of the CHURCH, rather than the teachings of Christ.
One can do worse than following the teachings of Christ. While I don't actually believe in the story of Christ (I'm a Buddhist), I do realize that the TEACHINGS are worthy of any reasonable, intelligent person's consideration. I just hope she keeps a close group of friends around her who can help her stay on the path...
Being a christian is about giving up control. You give up your own control and give it to Jesus. He takes all your burdens from you. He could give a rats ass about whether someone gives money to the democratic convention. He wants you to love one another.For some people giving up this control is very scary. I wonder if she has been down on her knees yet
Moli, you speak as someone who has never actually read the gospels. If you are right, why then did Christ heal the daughter of the centurion? If you are correct, why did He tell his disciples to go to the four corners of the earth spreading His gospel? No, you cannot be right.
Moli, You are mistaken. Paul (Saul at the time) did meet Jesus. On the road to Damascus. Acts 9: 4-6 Falling to the ground, he heard a voice say, "Saul, Saul why are you persecuting Me? "Who are You, Lord?" he said. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," He replied. Paul was one of he worst Christian persecutors at the time and he later became one of Christ's most staunches followers.
I think Moli was referring to himself when he said "did not meet the man". Moli is also technialy correct in implying that Jesus was not trying to make another religion. The prophecy of a coming Messiah started in Judiasm. If all Jewish people accepted him as the messiah as prophecised over 2000 years ago would that make them Christians? I'm not trying to be preachy. I like a good book as much as the next guy.
You're funny! How do you make up your mind about something as confusing as God? Confusing is believing a book written years ago by pathological liars (humans) without question. I would say she is a much more balanced person than yourself.
Satan's plan is in full effect....
You have confused two very different kinds of person: 1) the person who SAYS he/she follows Christ, and 2) the person who actually does so.
It should not take too much thought to realize that people who write her kind of fantasy stories can only be the former, not the latter. Especially after they say the things she has just said slandering Christianity and Christians.
Moli,
,
Like many people, you are misinformed about what the Bible says and is about. Jesus was the FULFILLMENT of the LAW – He wasn't about bringing them back UNDER it. He was the once-for-all, sacrificed Passover lamb who took away the sins of the world.
Additionally, as others have said here, Paul did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus.
The bottom line is: read the Gospel of John and see not only what Jesus did, but who He said He was/is, starting with John 8:58 when He said "Before Abraham was, I AM," referring to the description God gave to Moses for Himself. The Jewish leaders knew exactly what He meant by it and started to stone him because He was equating Himself with God! This is the difference between Jesus and "religion." Christianity, in its truest form, isn't about teachings, form or rules, as some people here have stated.
Maybe this is where Anne needs to go further, rather than retreat. Jesus, in the book of Revelation, says that He is at the door of our hearts, knocking for us to come to invite Him in and if we do, He will come in and have a relationship with Himself, which starts then and goes on forever. It's about that relationship.
It's true that the church isn't perfect. There is all kinds of mess, hypocrisy, fighting, and more UGH that goes on there. But no more than those who accuse the church of all these vices. It's called HUMANITY. True, Christians have a higher calling, and in Christ, these ugly conditions shouldn't and don't have to be. And contrary to popular opinion, I have seen, and been part of, quite a few loving churches that represent believers who are truly committed to loving God and others, helping in practical ways rather than judging them. But of course, those don't get the press And there will never be a perfect church. If Anne or others think they will find one, they better not join because it won't be any longer (LOL).
Brilliantly put. She pretty much sums up what many of us who are spiritual feel. We believe in God and Jesus but chafe at the hostility, hatred and controlling tactics put forth by modern right wing Christianity. It feels wrong. And dangerous. Good for Anne.
Amen
So, those who disagree with Christians and hurl their own versions of insults, slurs, name-calling, etc. are loving, peaceful people?
Sweetongeeks: Amen
I completely, totally, 100% agree with you. Amen to that.
I agree with Anne totally. I actually had a "religious" or "spiritual" experience when I was about 13. I had been attending Sunday school for all of my childhood. One night I 'asked Jesus to come into my heart' when I couldn't sleep and was just lying there thinking about life. I immediately felt this warmness come over me from my heart, radiating throughout my body; it was really strange, but I also felt euphoric at the same time. For the next few days I was on "cloud nine" and felt wonderful. This feeling eventually fell to the wayside as these things usually do, but I never forgot it. Having experienced this I still cannot wrap my arms around "religion". I do believe there is some kind of "God" or higher power out there but I just cannot go to church. Whenever I'd go (after the "experience") I always felt as though the minister was trying to "scare" me into "believing" or just plain brainwash me into thinking I had to follow all the silly oorules of organized religion. It just all seemed ridiculous to me. I try to live by the golden rule: "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". That's really all anyone can do. Try to be a "nice person". The truth is, no one really knows what will happen when we die. How could we? Too many religious people are self-righteous about their beliefs or just sheep who have been attending church since they were babies and never really questioned anything. Too many of them have never thought about anything. They just "believe" whatever their particular religion tells them is "right" without ever really giving it any thought. Religion used to be more tolerant and loving. It just seems to me that since the evangelical sector has become so prominent that being "religious" has become a joke. These people seem "extreme" to me and very intolerant.
No, not 'brilliantly put'. Not even close. Rather, the whole argument presumes a fallacious form of 'polar argumentation': that because those spewing hatred in Christ's name are wrong, Rice is right to criticize them as she does, and leave the Church. But that is polar reasoning, and the conclusion simply does not follow.
I completely understand. God and Christ are central to my life, not specific organized religion.
Amen!
Agreed.
The goal is to get christians to wake up...in their own churches!! Wake up people, this was not the way Christ lived. As Ghndi once said "I like your christ, but not your christians". Christians are far from perfect that is the way it is supposed to be, not condemning others of doing the same things you do. The church is the only organization in the world that bases success on how much it does not do. It is kinda of silly really.... REthink church!
Love that quote from Ghandi ! I believe in Jesus and his teachings the same as I believe in Buddha
and his teachings. I DO NOT believe in organized religion or a supernatural, imaginary being.
Christ said in the Gospels that if you love Him you will obey His commands. So if you are a Christian you will submit to His authority. And one of His commands is to not forsake the gathering of the Saints. So if you are quitting Christianity ... you are rebelling against Christ and you need to repent.
This is very disheartening. And if she believes in Christ, then yes, she is a Christian. Did she really think that we flawed mortals would behave in a Christ-like fashion? That's certainly the task for life but so many of us fall short. She could have used her celebrity to unify the Church, or to reach out to Christians and point out the error of their ways. Instead one sees the headline – stops being a Christian – and it automatically casts a shadow on Christ. Too bad.
Sounds like you are exactly why she is leaving the church...shame shame shame...
Simply ridiculous – your viewpoint is largely responsible for the lack of progressiveness in the Christian churches
Clark,
That commandment did not come from Jesus, it came from Paul.
Jesus only gave two commandments. The first, to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, body and soul. The second, to love your neighbor as you love yourself. One of the biggest problems with the Church is that they have forgotten the second commandment.
While I can understand not forsaking the gathering of the Saints, the problem is that many churches have put so many rules on who can be included in that gathering that we have lost the real meaining of what the purpose was to gather together. It was meant to be a time of fellowship, and lifting each other up.
It is time for the Church to get back to its roots.
Jesus made no such command and there are no saints at the gatherings she described. Clark, you need to repent for being a christian.
If you actually bothered to read your Bible, you would note that Jesus never said anything like that. Things to that nature were written in letters to various churches (like Hebrews 10:25, and Ephesians 2:6) Mostly likely written by Paul. Argueably a good guy, but not a direct command from Jesus.
Jesus said there were only 2 important commandments: Matthew 22:36-40
Looks like Clark is busted. A prime example of how opinions these days are formed on the basis of what somebody 'thought' they read or heard. We all need to check several sources before we declare an opinion on important matters.
Clark, I hope you hear my heart behind the message. As followers of "the way", we are flawed people following a perfect Christ. History shows that we (including me) are REALLY crappy at it! I would challenge all of us not to judge and become what Christ is calling his church to be. The fellowship you talk about is well demonstrated in Acts 2. That looks much different than any traditional church I know of today, especially if you look at the wording used in the anctient text.
If we all got busy loving God and our nieghbors, this would be a much better world...I would even state Heaven on Earth. Check out Matt 25: 35-40. I challenge us all to go love someone that is hard to love today and become the change we want to see in the world.
God resides within ones self.. not in a building.
Religion and personal spirituality are not the same thing.
Whatever!!!! Religion is man made by controlling hypocrites. There are so many religions out there so which one was God talking about..Really come on. As long as we have good moral character and follow in God's ways we will be fine. Or should I just continue to follow a religion where the preachers spend their time molesting boys and girls and then covert it up...then tell me I'm going to hell because i denounce to practice or follow a denomination. WHATEVER!!!!
That is a total cop out clark! An overused and MISUSED verse intended to make people feel guilty and under the control of a central ORGANIZED church. Where the mind control and emotional abuse run rampant. I went to a church like that. No one would sit with us. They would move to a different pew. If I did sit with someone they would go so far as move MY stuff to an empty pew and then say "I hope she gets the message"! Well I got the message alright and got out of there and will NEVER go back! I TOTALLY understand where Anne is coming from. I LIVED IT!
How can anyone quote what "jesus" said through the gospals? Weren't the gospals written many years after "his death"? If this is the case, then how can you take anything written by these nutjobs as a direct quote? Sorry, but there is no scientific proof that Jesus even existed. But then again, has science ever really mattered to Christians?
Question- Who decides who the Saints are?
Sir, the "gathering of saints" is NOT a commandment. The Fourth Commandment is to honor the sabbath and keep it holy. ANY TIME two or more true believers and followers of Christ get together and encourage/edify each other, that IS a gathering of saints!
So you assume that she is forsaking assembly and in rebellion because she refuses to report to a church building and submit to organized religion??????????? The real church ain't in church. If that's the only place to assemble ourselves in unity for the sake of sharing Christ, what happens in other parts of the world where church buildings are burned and destroyed because it goes against the grain of that country's customs? Are they in rebellion because they have to assemble in small groups? The church better wake up and smell the coffee...skinny vanilla latte, 2 shots of espresso please..lol.
@Mike...prove Ceasar existed. Prove Napoleon existed. Prove Shakespear existed. Please research when the Gospels were written, how oral history of the time worked, what the genre of writing was and more importantly, wasn't, and the absolute incredible accuracy of over 5,000 copies of the gospels spread over time. Do your research before responding.
Also, Christians embrace science very much. It's scientists that are afraid of Christ ( not all, but a good portion).
Very well said
Clark, you sound like one of the main PROBLEMS with today's Christianity.
"Gathering of the saints"? My, don't we think highly of ourselves.
From what Anne describes, I am positive her church is far from the "gathering of the saints".
More true than you know, clark! For most church congregations she might have been a member of, have themselves formed themselves on the basis of the very same rebellion you decry in Rice! That is, for example, every Protestant denomination/congregation has formed by leaving some other group of Christians because they could not agree with them, sometimes for a substantial reason, sometimes not.
So if a person really believes as you say, then he has a difficult problem set before himself: how to find a congregation that, NOT being based on such rebellion, really is in that original Church of Christ.
This is a hard problem, especially for those of us, such as most Americans, who grew up in a culture where this rebellion is, unfortunately, accepted as a fact of life, if not a good thing (which it is not).
I really respect her for differentiating between Christ and his many many misguided followers. Faith isn't about going to church or following a preacher – it's about listening to the spirit.
AMEN!
Spirit and adherence to Biblical principle- therein lies the rub.
I agree!
Its not self-centered to realize that organized religion, any organized religion, has inherent problem. Good for Anne! I left "christianity" over 20 years ago and never looked back.
Why not become an Episcopalian? We (largely) don't have these anti-modernity problems in our church.
To John, The episcopalian is not biblically based as I'm sure you know.
Sorry John. I grew up in the Episcopal church and made the conscious decision 35 years ago to leave it and never look back. I have never regretted that decision. Not then and especially not now. Christ is the primary focal point in my life, but I can tell you that it wasn't the Episcopal Church that was responsible for Him being that to me.
Sorry, but I've found that it's the Anglican/Episcopalian church that has done the best job of loving thy neighbor as thyself. All the so-called "biblical" churches I've attended were more interested promoting their own agenda then Christ's.
Anne, you are not alone in your disappointment with religion. That's why a movement is spreading, called The Emerging Church. Pick up Brian McLaren's book, " A New Kind of Christianity" and know that all is well.
The Emerging Church is a movement away from tradional Church beliefs and practices, but unfortunately also away from the teachings of Christ. The Church as a whole needs to get back to the basics (I also need this) of following Jesus and living rightly.
"But following Christ does not mean following His followers." She's hardly the first person to come to that conclusion.
Heck, a large part of Christ's ministry was the repudiation of the religious authorities of his day.
"My faith in Christ is central to my life" is rather paradoxical to "Today I quit being a Christian." Take it easy, Ms. Rice.
AMEN !!! AMEN !!! AMEN !!! I APPLAUD AND ADMIRE ANNE FOR HER COURAGE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE AND TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.
Clark1b: that gathering of "saints" can be a group of her own choosing. It does not say anything about organized religion. You are mistaken.
AMEN!!!!!
For a second there I thought she was going to make sense but alas, she has no more grasp on physics, nature and reality than your average fundie.
I agree, she is still a typical fairty tale follower. She is just going off on her own tangent now. Still dangerous and intellectually irresponsable.
Amen to that. She needs to grow up and be a real adult.
It is depressing that this story is perpetuating the false idea that Christians all have one political agenda. That is not true. I know many Christians who are NOT “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.” Quarrelsome, perhaps. After all, people will quarrel over important matters. I recommend that she reach out to meet people who are committed Christians with many different political points of view, not just the stereotype.
Yeah, really. And if she wanted some company, she could become a Unitarian Universalist.
And I know some Christians that are just as she wrote. I dislike that anyone labels entire groups one way are the other. People are individuals. Unfortunately many churches condemn groups by misusing the words of the bible. Many atrocities have been based on the misuse of scripture.
Annie, hon...get over it already.
You are at odds with logic across the board. And your self centered egomaniacal flip flopping and hidden silhouetted interviews espousing your "faith" in Christ (as in, Jesus H., will you shut the hell up already?-we all knew it was you sweetheart) really, frankly, are just gag inducing. Go back to doing what you do best...write some cool vampire books.
We'll always love you for it.
I totally agree with her. My wife and I have felt this way for years and we both grew up in the bible belt. I agree with her distinciton between following Christianity and being a follower of Christ.
Dear Jake,
What part of being "intellectually and morally respectable" necessitates being decidedly condescending and pretentious 24/7?
Yours,
Every non-cretinous agnostic ever.
Finally – someone who see's that Christ and His teaching is about love an aceptance not hate and violence. It's hard to separate some "Christians" from those lost souls flying planes on Sept 11 – both groups mistake teaching of peace and love for war and tourture. Welcome back Anne – we missed you. We being the gay loving/welcoming/friendly/Christians. And before the other "Christians" start answering back – before you speak – ask yourself WWJD or say?
AJ: Anne is not unique in wishing to be a follower of Christ but not being associated with other so-called Christians. I have read (on conservative boards, no less) a large number of Christians who bemoan the image their angry brethren portray. They are thoughtful and devout humans who aspire to follow the actual teachings of Christ, not the demagoguery and politics of many churchs.
YAY! does this mean Lestat is coming back? i hope so!
Yeah I hope so. We who like to live in fantasy world would love to hear from Lestat and his entire gang again.
I didn't leave Christianity, I left organized religion and the hypocrits that are found there. My father was 1/2 native american and he taught me that you can worship by caring for the earth and the creatures put on it. You don't have to be in a building with a bunch of hypocrits and you don't have to worship the way they want you to.
christ his cool. his followers are cooler.
Christ is a silly myth and his followers are scary psychos for the most part.
Well said! The sort of ridiculous bickering, self-rightousness, and hypocritical behavior that comes from the Christian CHURCHES is what led me to Buddhism many years ago. I chose to follow God rather than his followers, and I've been very happy ever since.
I hope that she has a great support system though... trying to follow any path is hard – no matter what your intent, you WILL fall off from time to time. It helps to have someone there to help you climb back on.
"Support System" Kinda sounds like what a church is supposed to be for Chritsians. Yes some are messed up but I find it interesting that everyone on here seems to think that Christians are perfect, yes some claim to be, but being a messed up christian I know I am not. Church meetings are (or are supposed to be) about support for people, broken people, who are learning to follow Jesus. I realize some churches have forgotten that but for you who are condemning us all seem a little messed up also.
I have never considered myself a Christian. I have never been able to wrap my mind around the concept (believe me, I tried), not to mention all the hypocrites I have met. This also led me to explore Buddhism. I am not a Buddhist but it is the one "religion" that actually makes sense to me.
Anti Gay ? I take it she has not been to any of the LGBT churches that exist in country. I was able to visit one when I was visiting New York city. Sounds like another "B" list actor/actress just saying something with the hopes to "shock" them back to the "A" list.
Sadly it sounds like she should of taken the effort to find a Church that she felt comfortable worshiping at. She says that Christ is important in her life... well then she is still a Christian.
In the Bible Jesus spoke of those how "left Christianity" saying "They went out from us because these never were with us". Could this be the case. Was she ever saved in the first place
Amen sister!
Well, you're either a Christian or not. To say that you're not being a Christian anymore means that you never were. You may have been religious and stopped being that type of religion, but when you're a follower of Christ (a Christian), you will ALWAYS be a Chritian, no matter how hard you try NOT to be one, so in essense, I question her "committment" to Christ. Also, many people here say "that's the reason why I quit Christianity". Well people, when judgement time comes, God is not going to compare you to anyone, whether anti-gay, anti-anything, except Christ, so stop your foolishness and accept Christ regardless of what other people do. Not a "head thing belief", but a "heart felt belief", because that is what God looks at, the heart.
Tom,
Like it or not, people grow. And, following Christ's teachings, which are NOT unique to him and in fact predate him, doesn't make you a Christian. It might make you an honest, loving, open-minded individual, but not necessarily a Christian. To me, the definition of Christian is no longer a "follower of christ" but a person who would rather observe form over substance, would rather force others to kowtow to his or her definitions of morality, and would just as soon die as admit that others may not agree with them and would prefer to believe and run their lives as they see fit. There's a huge difference between being Christian these days and trying to observe Christ's and others' teachings about the right path to run one's life.
Get over yourself and be honest about who and what you believe. It's YOUR brain, don't surrender it to a bunch of haters and rule-followers.
Just to let you know, there's nothing to get over myself about. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. It is people like you who look for new ways to interpret or change God's ways. Being "saved" is the same today as it was during Christ's time on earth. You and some other people on here seem to believe that you can change what you think God means without even knowing what the Bible says except picking and choosing versus that you fully don't understand.
Right, see this is exactly what I have a problem with, regarding organized religion. The Toms of this world love nothing more than to browbeat you into being their followers because, of course, they really understand the verses and the rest of us are just misguided. Their proof? Well, you don't follow pastor so-and-so, therefore you are lost! Ridiculous.
Exactly why I stay away from the ilk. If I need guidance, I'll just read the prime sources and make up my mind, thank you very much!
Anne, you are exactly right.
I have always been a fan of hers and I completely back her on her decision; she is right about not following his followers, How someone can say she's self centered is ridiculous, but also reflects the ignorance that many of these followers live...on a daily basis. Religion in general has been tainted by generations of followers minipulating it to what they see fit or as correct so kudos to you Anne. I cant wait for the next Lestat novel!!!
After belonging to a Christian church for over 20 years, I totally agree with what she says. A lot (not all) Christians have the need to single out people in the most hostile and venomous way. Many of the parishioners that I was close friends with, were angry and spiteful people who wished violent acts upon people that they disagreed with. I finally got fed up and left the church, because it had become less about loving your neighbor, and more about pseudo politics, hating liberals, democrats, gays and illegal immigrants. It really is sad. My suggestion is for people who call themselves Christian to actually spend time reading the Bible and helping their neighbors, instead of pointing their fingers and condemning them.
This self-important pronouncement is just another opportunity to feed the ego of a fast fading figure on the public scene. Should anyone really care what Anne Rice has to say about anything?
An utterly generic retort. Celebrity is what it is. You read the article, after all.
She's leaving christianity, but still holding on to the delusion of a deity. Not much happening here. She was a "pessimistic atheist," but i like to consider myself an optimistic one: I'm a true believer–in science, rational thinking and critical analysis.
I completely agree! I'm a very happy, optimistic, loving, at peace atheist. We are not, as a group, bitter or pessimistic. We are all just individuals who look to science, reason, and skepticism for answers. I find science far more awe-inspiring and numinous than anything written in the Bible.
Finally!!!! I was mortified when she first chose to start following those bigots!!!! Follow your heart, not some power hungry discriminatory mob!!!!
I don't blame her at all. In Christianity it's not who you believe in anymore, it's what you believe in. All the dogmas, creeds etc that were started in the 2nd – 4th century's. The scriptures were ripped out of there semetic soil that gave them birth and given a whole new Greek mindset. Either it's their way or the highway now.
This is an example of what happens when a person does not have a clue about the theological foundations of Christianity. How can you follow a Christ who by His very life, words and deeds sought to connect believers to one another. Examples of Christian failure is not the same as the failure of Christianity. In some ways, the Church is God's hospital; full of sick people in various stages of spiritual recovery. Apparently, she never learned this and foolishly equated Christianity with the behavior of some Christians. Of course, the other issue is her belief in the teachings of the Bible and the manner by which they are applied. If her commitment is to live the teachings of Christ, she would learn to love others, including gays, regardless of their opinions or choices. Loving someone does not mean that one must give tacit or any other approval to lifestyles or choices. Christ loves sinners, but hates sin as totally contrary to His nature. This is an important distinction that many Christians do fail to make, yet that alone does not invalidate the importance of the distinction. For me, "hating" sin is disapproval of disobedience as contrary to the teachings of Christ. Jesus demonstrated this clearly in His actions with a woman caught in the act of adultery. he never approved her choice, but offered forgiveness to her. Clearly, any Christian who refuses to even forgive other Christians does not understand the essence of true Christianity. I will pray for her.
what ever happened to " thou shall not judge till thy be judged"; hypocrite!
Amen.
@kbeck.. christians can not judge, but are required to recognize. They are not hypocrites for that. May be for some other things, like most of us, but not for that.
You've hit the nail on the head. Granted, it wasn't the nail you were aiming at, but still, good show. Christians need not offer approval, tacit or otherwise, to many of the lifestyles and choices they disapprove of...primarily because most of them do not call for approval or disapproval by the standards of Christ. Jesus never offered a single opinion on most of the issues near and dear to the general conservative Christian outlook.
Kbeck, correction isn’t judging. Let me help you better understand the scripture you are taking out of context. This word study came from http://www.thebiblepost.com/rebuke.
"Many people seem to think that it is a sin to call sin by its rightful name, or at least they give that impression anyway. They will even go so far as to use Jesus’ words as a means to justify this; they say, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1 KJV). But what did Jesus really mean here? According to the Greek, the word for ‘judge’ is ‘krino’; it essentially denotes the idea of condemnation. Thus it has to do with ‘condemning’ or ‘sentencing’ a person for committing a crime. Moreover, the context in which Jesus used it has to do with eternal consequences. In other words, when a person judges another person in this way they are essentially attempting to make a ruling on the fate of that person that only God has the right to make.
Therefore, ‘krino’ is not to be confused with the words ‘rebuke’ or ‘admonish’, which essentially mean ‘to correct’. Yet people seem to believe that they are one and the same. But are you really condemning or sentencing a person to the lake of fire when you tell them that they need to repent? When you really think about it, even if we were to condemn such actions and beliefs as those that are contrary to what the Bible identifies as good works, that would only mean that we are condemning actions and beliefs, not actual people."
If a Christian loves a person (Who is a believer), He will inform that person of his rebellion against God. Because in Jesus there is no darkness. (1 John 1) If a blind man was about to fall in a pit, would you not inform him? The problem is that there are too many Christians like Kbeck who have no idea what they are talking about and they pridefully (judge) others to make them feel good. When a Christian corrects his brother, he should do it with love and not for a spiritual confidance boost. Good job Raymond.
You're not getting the point...Christianity as a whole BELIEVES that BEING gay is a sin. She doesn't. Therefore, she is no longer subscribing to that idiotic frame of thought, amongst other bigoted beliefs which are required in order to call yourself a contemporary "Christian".
@kbeck: "what ever happened to " thou shall not judge till thy be judged"; hypocrite!"
The admonition prohibits judging PEOPLE; it does not prohibit warning others of the objective immorality of ACTS. For example, I can say "murder is gravely sinful"; I cannot say that a specific person who has committed murder will go to hell.
This is summed up rather well in the expression "Love the sinner, hate the sin." It is not Christian behavior to reject a person because of their sins. One of the biggest problems with modern society is that many people take this to mean we have to accept the sinner and their acts. This is not at all true. Note that Jesus dismissed sinners saying "Go and sin no more!", "go and keep doing your thing."
First, she said she basically does no longer belong to the Christian Church. She does however believe in Christ and his teachings. I agree with her. For those who think she does not know what she is talking about, chill out. I am sure she didnt just up and decide – I am out of here! I am sure a lot of thought and research and heart and soul searching went into this decision just like it did with mine. How presumptuous of everyone out here who is calling her out on her decision to leave the church. Why shouldnt she when the preachers themselves are telling us what and how to think not just about Jesus and his teachings but about politics. Church and State do NOT mix. Church should be a place where people actually WANT to go for reasons other than one upmanship, to show off my new dress, to make political contacts or simply as a cover so people wont question what you are really up to. That is what I found when I attended church after church after church. Why should I subject myself to going to a place every Sunday (or more) where people are SO hypocritical, judgemental and impatient? Why should I go to a place of discomfort while trying to claw out some piece of peace within? Good for Anne Rice for denouncing today's organized religion. I suggest people get their highlighters out and highlight exactly what Jesus said and not what other people said he said.
Raymond, how do you know it wasn't THEM who couldn't accept HER?
Religion as we know it is man-made. Believing in a higher power and living a life of goodness and kindness has nothing to do with religion. In fact, most modern religions integral teaching is separation and hate of those who dare disagree with their beliefs. Everybody can't be right, but everybody can be wrong.
Stated well, perhaps not as clearly as she could've been, but Christians have been involved in some bloody, violent actions throughout history in the name of a man who preached tolerance and love of his fellow man. Way to go Ann.
You would think that a writer would be a little more articulate. Is she leaving "Christianity" or leaving the "church" (as in "organized religion"?) Because those are two very different things...
She doesn't have to follow Christians, but she does need to follow God's word. She is refusing to submit to God's authority and wants to live her life without that submission. It is not possible to be both a follower of Christ and to live/believe however you want. In order to be a follower of Christ, you have to recognize He is God and yield your life to Him. That's the problem with many people today, they want to have it both ways. I think she fails to truly understand what being a believer is.
I feel sorry for you.
Welcome back, Anne Rice.
Rest assured she was not Christian. Plus she was Roman catholic. They have their own Gospel and Jesus.
1 John 2:18-19 (KJV)
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
How intolerant of you to judge her as a non-christian because she followed a different version. Christ would be disappointed, I think - he loved all his followers equally.
Spoken like a true idiot .....oops I meant "believer".
I agree Scott, scripture is the best medicine. I think because people attend a church that preaches Christ, doesn't automatically mean that they are a Christian. I've been blood-bought for 17 years now and don't regret it for one minute. KJV is the only Bible I read. Thanks for the scripture.
Hey Edwin, it's amazing how you call Scott "intolerant". If she does consider herself a Christian, it is our "Believers" responsiblity to rebuke her like the Bible tells us to, in love. We, "Christians", are not suppose to "judge" non-believers, that is scriptual also. I've been a born-again believer for 17 years now and I walk the walk, but fall, as well Christians are notperfect, and I'm guessing about 70%-75% of the people on here writing comments are not Christians, but people who are Athiest or people who attend church "on occasion", so what they say doesn't mean anything.
Roman Catholics have the one and only bible of truth. All other christian churches are offspring(s) of the Roman Catholic Church. So, if you do not want the truth you just break away and make your own church!! Sounds pretty silly to me.
Hey Grammi, no where in Scipture does the word Catholic pop up. I'm not here to argue with you, but just look at Acts 11.21:26 ..."and they first called Christians at Antioch."...They weren't called Catholics. I was a former Catholic until I read what Scriture said and what the Catholic church was teaching. I became a "born-again believer" because of what the Bible said in Romans 10:9-13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved,
Before I left the Catholic church in 1993 after 28 years, I never heard that..
"19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
Talk about flawed logic! RIDICULOUS!
The catholic church: "Their own kind of gospel and Jesus????" How funny. Are you trying to forget that theee catholic church started the whole madness, and every denomination thereof is only a bit madder, by degree. Because all the follow up sects and subdenominations really are the ones who turned the origninal into "their gospel and their copy of Jesus!!
This is so funny. So sad.
I can understand Ms Rice's frustrations. I was raised fundamentalist Baptist. Christ was on the right path. It's the Christians that have screwed things up! They have become what Christ dispised most "Pharisees."
Hey Bob, I'm a Fundamental Indepedent Baptist as well, but like you already know, no "Christian" is perfect, just look at Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas. But I believe that you and I have the same firm foundation that FIBC preach...righteousness and belief in Christ without doing anything else (giving money, being baptised, etc). We also believe that you can't "give up Christianity", that is an impossibility. You're either saved or not. "Trying Christainity" is not like trying a type of soda,like many people here believe. But at the same time, sin is sin and we cannot tolerate it, but we also need to do a better job is showing "love" toward the sinner, in which I believe we "born again believers" are doing a bad job in.
Anne, just make sure that your "relationship" with Christ is one of student and teacher, not one of Superbeing and Servant otherwise you are still trapped in delusion. Like Buddha, Christ was as human as you and I and should be viewed as a source of learning and a leader on the pathway of enlightenment – not as a supernatural object of worship. If you are going down that path you might as well "believe" in the Gnomes and the Unicorns too.
Well put Anne Rice. Exactly why I also left going to church many years back.
All the petty bickering and back stabbing and hypocritical people just drove me away.
Isn't the definition of a Christian to believe in Christ. So if she is following Christ then she is Christian and believes in Christianity. In order to follow Christ you must follow his teachings. Christ taught compassion, forgiveness and love. She is not giving up on Christianity since she states she will continue to follow Christ. She is giving up on the cult of organized religion. And that is wonderful to stand up for your beliefs and take the hypocrites out of your life. Kudos Anne.
Hey Maggie, I agree with the majority of what you said except for the "hypocritical Christians"" you call out. If leaving a church because of hypocrites, then everyone on this site and elsewhere need to stop going to work, shopping, sporting events, anything where there are people because there are hypocrites there also. God is not going to compare anyone to the hypocrites, but to Christ.
To Tom:
i think what she is saying is cut them out when possible. your expectation is unreasonable that someone shouldnt work/shop ect. we all have to work to survive, we also need to eat so we need to shop. so we go to work and put up with hypocrisy. however, church is something that is not so necessary. so if you dont want to put up with ppl, yeah stop going as you dont HAVE to in order to pay your rent or eat such as food or working. some places you have no choice but to deal with hypocrites. you make no sense. so if i give up one thing for that reason im supposed to let go of all? i cant just let go of the unnecessary activities that involve hypocrites?
i can appreciate that a 'christian' would want to defend things, but this is why you sound silly to ppl. i cant take a thing you say seriously cuz you dont actually have a valid argument. your reasoning is being fogged over by your 'faith'. defend regardless of what sense it makes.
why i decided that organized religion is no good. ppl like you.
Hey Heather, I'm taking it that you're not a Christian. Your foolishness precedes you. I was making a point of the excuses people make by not going to church anymore or "quitting Christianity" because of hypocrites there. So what if there's hypocrites in church? Do you stop going because of what a certain group of people believe? I'm sure there are more hypocrites in the work place than church. Try reading that without getting to deep....in addition to using correct grammar.
to Tom:
lulz welcome to the internet age where grammer and spelling doesnt matter, the message matters, dont detract from that.
again you miss my point. let me try again. you were arguing that if we dont like hypocrites and choose to avoid them then we should avoid all of them. simply put, i was saying that is unreasonable as you cant avoid all hypocrites and survive in this world at the same time. i was saying avoid them when you can, and that you cant avoid all of them.
i USED to be christian. born and raised actually, tried really hard to. i still have my core beliefs and i dont need a church to dictate things and i also see the "church" of nowadays being more hypocritical then any other group i have interacted with. which is why i made the decision to no longer be a part of the christian cult.
in your response to me you judged me. yet your preaching in your posts not to judge ppl, just rebuke actions ect. you are why ppl become athiests after being in a church. you cant talk on hypocricy.
one last thing Tom. if someone leaves a church cuz they are not being spiritually fulfilled and feel they are surrounding themselves with low caliber ppl and choose not to go any more b/c of that, i cant say that is not a logical reason. doesnt change their spirituality or beliefs, in fact i think it strengthens them in their personal faith for standing up for what they feel is right. go to church, not go to church, does it really matter?
Who is Anne Rice?
Why should we care whether she leaves christianity?
Had she been a young bimbo, then perhaps we'd be interested in following her news regardless of their futility.
she could become a wiccan.That might be more fun for her.
Unfortunately...... Christianity and its beliefs and processes are outlined within the contents of the bible.
You cant separate the two. Many people claim to be "Christian", but they live in complete denial of the truths therein.
If you believe in "God and Jesus" as was quoted, then Christ's word alone were "I am the way the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me... John 14:6" So that would make you automatically quite intolerant of others faith and belief systems.
The bible goes at great length to explain how people set up idols for thousands of years (still happening) to allow then to make a god in their image. Those people on the day of judgement will be quite surpised.
You cannot separate the Doctrine of Christ from the Christ of the bible. If you do, you have made an idol.
Sorry folks.. thats a rack !
Do you believe every book written by humans?!? hahaha... morons.
Good Riddance
Another good Christian speaks.
Anne you making the assumption that the prevailing definition of Christian or Christianity satisfies the acid test it does not. Your heart cry is to be part of a people that would love like Jesus did and would glorify the father with their lives ( assuming thats what you mean) is not wrong. By that definition none of the major powers of the western world are Christian nations so what do you expect. Don't give up go direct to Father, so your $100 bill is the real thing and the rest is counterfeit does that mean you should consider your money worthless and destroy it?
Does this mean she is gonna start writing good books again?
Again? Did she ever?
I think this statement from her, sadly, is really about the fact that she's about to start "writing" again, and is priming the market. All she really said is that she still believes in Christ, but her "new" viewpoint conveniently allows her future writings to be accepted by every demographic-Christians, gays, feminists, democrats & republicans. I'm glad that her comments ring true to so many people here, but this is just PR work. Anyone with real faith, especially the kind that she's claiming, doesn't need to tell the world. She's just selling her newly refined image and, sadly, it will most likely work. New or spurned-before-but-giving-her-another-chance groups of fans will show their support and buy her new work, at least for a couple novels. I'm not hating on her, I'm glad she continues to examine the roots of her own personal faith, I just think it's sad that she, in my opinion, stopped actually writing a long time ago (I LOVED the first three Vampire Chronicles books), and chose instead to string readers along as she tries, under the guise of fiction, to find her place in the spiritual world. I can't see this announcement as anything but buying back fans who've left her ideologies behind, and another example of her need to keep the world aware and informed of every spiritual/moral roadblock that she encounters. I'm glad it clearly helps some people, but I can only say that for me, it's a little depressing how clearly her statement smacks of exactly what an agent would tell her to do to increase her shrinking fan base. It just seems like another costume for an author who, again, in my opinion, has cared more for crafting her status as a costumed author than writing as well as she could if she focused on the words and the stories. I'm not trying to convince anyone here, just venting a bit. If she speaks the truth for you and you find it edifying and faith-affirming then I'm glad for you. I just don't get the sincerity from her, and haven't for years...
ATW – I hadn't considered it until I read your post, but I believe you're right. This is probably nothing more than a PR stunt designed to increase sales of her books.
A lot of Christians will look at this and say whatever she adopts without the church will not be following Christ. Many have such a pessimistic view that treats God as some overlord who must be appeased and feared at all costs. It makes me wonder why they feel God is any better than Satan if that's how he treats his creations. I suppose they must think it will all magically change in this fantastic Heaven they think about. Ridiculous and naive.
I believe in Christ, but I do not affiliate with any one religion, church, political group, etc. I am very happy in my spirituality. I talk to the Father every day and he has blessed me with an open heart and mind. I am the least judgemental I have ever been, and feel like I'm getting better and better at not forming an opinion that would turn judgement to myself or shut off opportunity to understand facets of life. It's all up to Him. Follow your heart Anne. This is your path and nobody has a right to judge saying what you are doing is good, or what you are doing is bad. Let them call believers of Christ "hypocrites", but I am not a perfect person on any level. I'm not a perfect mother, I'm not a perfect wife, I'm an imperfect friend, and I'm DEFINATELY an imperfect Christian. Just because I can't be 100% right in everything I do and say doesn't mean I don't love the people in my life and they should be taken away. Don't listen to what "they" say. You are who you are. Do whatever God is telling your heart to do, but don't ever feel you have to choose sides. Life is ambiguous!!! God presents opportunities and I don't feel in my heart he wants us making harsh judgements and criticisms. Christ came in the name of love, nothing else. Don't let politics, churches, and groups sway you from his intent.
Congratulations Ms. Rice - Thousands of people have made the same decision as you and follow the bible as it should be followed. Check out http://www.aroodawakening.tv.
I wonder why not everyone else does the same.
The people in charge of any Religion want just power. They want to control things. Usually through fear.
I'm done with them for a long time.
Fernando.
Organized religion is nothing but BIG business. I agree with you. A few years ago I learned personally just how hateful some Christians are and my husband and I took broke away from organized religion–we did not break away from Christ. We are at peace and love to the full extent. I worship every day without someone telling me to be so hateful.
She left the "religion" that some Christians have made our faith out to be over the years. Even Christ couldn't stand the pharisees because they were hung up on religion. The law is dead, grace and truth is abound. I plead with my brothers and sisters in the faith to always remember this. We do not need to walk in lock-step of some religous ceremony, we need to focus on allowing others to see His reflection in us and spread the good news of His wonderful grace and salvation offered to all on the cross. And I would like to remind all of you that every believer was once a non-believer. We did not crossover to truth on a whim, this thing is real, God is indeed real, but you have to seek for yourself with your heart in prayer and His Word if you want proof....that is the ONLY way.
I agree with Anne. Being a good human who follows the universal path should be a fine goal for anyone.
Before we all start to pile on, maybe someone can give an unbiased bio on this lady. Who is Anne Rice?
Why not just hit Wikipedia? She's a pop author. Gained fame for her vampire novels in the 90s.
Anne, you said it eloquently and to the point! God bless you.
Her claiming that Christianity contains all those negatives is comparable to saying that all Islamists fly planes into buildings
So she discovered she was a liberal progressive – what's new?
Hardly. She's always been a self-described liberal progressive. What she discovered, despite her (continuing) interest in a relationship with Christ, was that the Christian church was a corrupt place built, all too often, on principles of exclusivity, anti-intellectualism, and conservative politics. She was looking for a community with which to share her faith, and that community–politicized and pompous–failed her.
I am no longer a Christian for the same reasons. I ceased being an Evangelical Christian long ago, but hung on to those vestiges of Christianity that were grounded in the teachings and compassion of Jesus. But, while I could make the distinction, those appalled at what they see being done by the Church every day don't. I cannot let myself be identified by a label that includes the Catholic Church, which has a notorious history of child abuse and cover up, or Fundamentalists, who pretend to respect life (i.e., anti-abortion), but love the death penalty, guns and war.
Good going. Anne!
Her writing went downhill big time when she became a religious fanatic, maybe she will be good again now.
Who gives a crap!
You do, evidentially.
Wow, that's pompous. I'm one of those "lost" atheists she speaks of and even I know that there are different types of Christians.
from a Christian to an aethist thank you for your clear and honest reply
Way to go Anne Rice. The fundamentalist Christians do preach hatred of anyone who is not in agreement with them. They are just too anti most anything.
I love all the Antinomian sentiment..... No law ?
Thats amusing. So if there is no law, are the 10 commandments null and void ?
uh have you been involved or herd anything about the way we judge people, make our laws, live generally day to day. yes the 10 commandments are completely null and void.
Gee, generalize much, Anne?
Does anyone really care what one wrinkled old lady has to say about her personal faith or lack there of? I mean really – who gives a s**t? As long as you don't put on a hijab, dress in black from head to toe, pack yourself full of explosives and go out to kill infidels in the name of your messed up so-called "faith", then go worship how you want and who cares about it.
who cares??? bye bye
Those damn Christians are evil, they fly planes into buildings. Uh, wait a minute, errr...
Christians have killed more people thatn Muslims ever will partner.
Islam is still in a killing rampage around the world. Muslim conquests by the sword in the name of allah has been and always be the greater murderers of history. Yes, muslim fanaticism and its supporters and defenders will be part of that killing.
Abel Arce – Check your history source. Indonesia, with the largest Muslim population has never seen a Muslim "Crusade". India's 80% population is still Hindu after centuries of Muslim rule. The "conquest by the sword" is the biggest propaganda of the so called "Christians" that Anne Rice is referring to.
I am a confirmed atheist who was a christian. I believe I am a good person and apart from the praying, organized religion stuff, I believe I meet most christian principles in my life. Organized religion wants me to believe that their god will punish me for not following their religion. If this is true, then their god is not one I want to believe in.
So she is giving up Christianity. How much money did she make off of "Memnoch the Devil" in which the devil took the vampire Lestat to see, among other things, Heaven, and Christ's Passion, where Lestat got hold of the actual Veronica's Veil (something that is an integral part of the Catholic Stations of the Cross)?
I'm sure she made a hell of a lot of money (pun intended). IMHO, Memnoch was one of her greatest works.
The point everyone is missing is that Anne still maintains a personal relationship with Jesus. It's just his right-wing followers she can do without.
The big reason people want to dis-prove God is because we enjoy the sin we're living in and would rather think we're not going to be held accountable. Foodshark's statement is simple and sums it up perfectly.
That's delusional. For the average atheist, "dis-proving God" is as much a priority as disproving the existence of a lead statue of Donald Duck on the far side of Neptune. Most atheists are simply living their lives, trying to be good citizens, and hoping–for the love of God–that angry religious people stay the hell out of their way.
So what she really meant to say is that she is still a Christian, but has elected to become a non-denominational Christian.
A lost soul... The Scientologists will be more than glad to have her join their club.
A shame she needs a crutch such as a belief in god to come to grips with the world. But at least she called out the ridiculous organization known as organized religion.
she hit it spot on, christianity as a religion has been defined by hateful manipulative people, she could even drop the term christ as just a word and be less confusing, christians don't own god and their small minded conceptualization of god misses completely, god is larger than our definitions that simply get in the way, most people are only christians because they where told that that is what god is and they are like sheep without the ability to seek it out on their own, their faith is shallow and so they require forced reinforcement and can't abide others disagreeing, intelligent free thinkers become the enemy and they become the willing dupes of charismatic controllers – hence out current political scene – I hope anne rice writes about this and gets thru to at least some people to leave the hateful christian church that is actually standing between its followers and god – free your mind!
I am actually dissapointed that she still claims to believe in Jesus or God. I thought she was much more of a clear thinker than that. She has ways to go to get where she should be.
There's no shame in a private spiritual or philosophical conviction regarding the unseen–particularly, that is, in someone committed, as Rice has claimed, to modern notions of intellectual discovery and science.
There you all go again putting words in Jesus' mouth.
Ann Rice? Who is she and why should her life decisions be of interest to the whole world?
The matter seems to be of interest to you. There are hundreds of articles to turn your time and attention to.
"and not content with that we pull Jesus from a hat..get into that, get into that" ELP Brain Salad Sugery. So book sales are down then? Jesus was a Jew and so were his followers. So the truth is that all "christians" are anti-christ followers of a false religion perpetuated by the one who's name should not be spoken. The one true god is made of PASTA!
This is sad, and only she will have to answer to her decisions. I would be lost without my Catholic faith (and no I do not defend the priest abusers!!) and gift of redemption.
Good for her
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Religion is so crowded thesedays; too many people in between oneself and God.
Sorry to tell you, Anne, but for all your seemingly "noble" stand that you are trying to take, Christ, whom you profess to love, was also "anti-gay". And don't even get me started on "anti-democrat"!! There are real Christians out there who are totally sold out for Jesus. You have to search them out and even more important is you have to let go of this world and all it's evil trappings. When Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him, he meant it. If you are a feminist, democrat, or republican or what ever else, throw it all out and serve Jesus.
In the words of your fellow Christians, Cindy, I regret to inform you that you may very well burn in hell.
Cindy, may God bless you and keep you...you will certainly need it.
Mike, I'm digging you as the hall monitor, man. Keep it up
Show us the scripture in which Jesus claimed to be anti-gay. As far as I am concerned, he never even said anything on the topic. Doesnt god have bigger fish to fry anyway, such as rapists, child molesters and brutal tyrants who murder innocents by the thousands? Oh wait, he just lets all that stuff happen anyway, it seems. Maybe we're not Christian enough for him to care. Or maybe, you need to re-adjust your thinking to reality a little bit.
Christ also told us to sell all of our possessions. I assume you are writing this post on a friend's computer, Cindy, since to be a true Christian you need to have given your computer to charity.
Anne, So I guess you donated millions of your dollars to help society as well as charities in America and around the world? Or do you think that you are above this and just preach to the rest of us who work real jobs and earn enough to just get by day to day? Why do you think we care what you give up on? You must think very highly of yourself to even post this to begin with. Here is some reality for you.... I didn't even know who you were before reading this. But I can also tell you that I care less after reading it as well.
Anne still professes a faith in Jesus. Most Christians forget that He said the greatest commandment was "To love the Lord with all or your heart, soul, and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself". Most Christians don't do this because loving God in such a way, and loving your neighbor in such a way is too costly. It is easier to bicker about doctrines that divide and to critique and criticize other "sinners" instead of focusing on the splinter in one's own eye. She has given up on "churchianity but not Christianity.
This story has two opposing quotes. She said, "Today I quit being a Christian," and yet she says, "My faith in Christ is central to my life." Now, either she is mis-quoted or confused. Peter denied Christ three times but was restored. Judas (also one of His disciples) didn't deny Christ but, rather, betrayed Him. I think we would all be served by some clarification (by Ms. Rice) on what exactly she means. Which side is she coming down on – Peter's or Judas'?
She already explained what she meant. It just doesn't boil down well to neat sound-bites for the "Marquee" section!
I love it! Believe in God, not regligion.
The Bible makes clear that we are not to attempt the Christian walk alone. Difficult as it is, we need to remain connected to that messy, flawed, frustrating assembly known as the church, or the body of Christ. We are all imperfect–at times hypocritical, and times reacting to the sin around us with hate and fear rather than love and care. But we need to stay together. If she is truly a believer, I pray she finds a fellowship of believers where she can draw strength.
I can relate to what she's saying so well but also know that what you're saying is so true. I constantly find my self conflicting with what others believe but also know that this is a part of growing as a Christian. I am blessed to be a part of a church that while I feel our political views don't always line up, our faith is dead on. I love the thought her forthcoming statements have provoked! My prayers are with her.
Good for Anne Rice.
Christianity has suffered a huge loss today. RIP Ruth Anne.
I am a born again Christian and it is sad that the right wing nuts have turned so many people off with their obnoxious hypocrisy. Most of them act nothing like Jesus. Sometimes it is embarrassing how they act and I want nothing to do with them. Jesus did not care about politics what so ever and I don't think he cares about the Republican agenda or the Democratic agenda. He cares about redemption and helping the poor and downtrodden. We should speak the truth with compassion, not with judgmentalness or hypocrisy for we are all sinners in need of the Savior.
You said it all. Good point!
I'm wondering if all those who quit their church because of hypocritical members of the Christian faith – did you ever consider that if y'all continued participating at your church, you would then become the majority of the members at these churches and could perhaps bring that church back to a more Jesus-centric, and bible-centric place? The best way to change an organization is from the inside. I have seen amazing things happen in churches where people care enough to stay put and implement these changes themselves. In peace.
A pleasant notion, Sue, but not everyone follows the same calling in life–I don't see why you should condemn anyone for simply seeking different terms with which to relate to God. The Christian mantra is, so often, "relationship with Jesus first," no? For some, might seeking that relationship in a different setting just be best?
Trying to change the way a church functions from within , when you are not part of the elite clique, does not work. My husband & I have been in many churches, and asked to leave each one with the line "You will be happier to go to church somewhere else". Why? Were we gossiping about others in the church, were we disrupting the sermons, were we doing anything outside or within the church to draw attention to ourselves in any negative way? No – it was simply because we went to those in leadership with concerns we had when we thought we were witness to unloving actions within the church -we were even very open to correction, in case we had misunderstood a matter (easy to do if you don't know another church member very well). But nope, we dared question the authority of those in leadership (seriously – we didn't, but for some reason all of these leaders took it that way), so the door was promptly shown to us. We didn't need to leave organized religion – we were thrown out from it – Thank God!
I left the church for the same reasons, and I commend her for doing so. But honestly, why is this on the 'top stories' on CNN? Don't we have better things to be worrying about than what Anne Rice thinks about religion? This belongs as an article in People magazine, not in the news.
Jesus was NOT a Christian either
Well, of course not. And Mickey Mouse isn't a Mickey Mouse fan. What's your point?
My point he was a Jew
An obvious technical observation, irrelevant to this (and most other) discussions.
All religion is inherently evil. Ones relationship with or without God is personal. How many "religions" throughout history up to the present have sought to slaughter other religions simply because they are different? The Crusades had "christians" slaughtering muslims in the name of God. Sound familiar?
No, you are wrong. The crusades were called "reconquest wars", liberation wars against muslim bloody expansionism.
Bob, why is it that everyone conviently forgets that the Muslims made war on and conqured the Middle East and then Jerusalem and forced Islam on every other relgion in the region. The crusades were reactionary to that. Read your history. It did take a couple of centuries for the remnants of the Roman Empire to develop enough to mount any real resistence to the expansion of Islam but the Moors made it all the way into Southern France before they were defeated by Charlemagne.
Abel, it doesn't matter what the crusades were called, or how Christians have attempted to characterize them. The French and English weren't liberating their homelands when they slaughtered the residents of Muslim cities and towns. The Crusades were bloody invasions–that is incontrovertible.
Jbmar, I chuckle a mournful chuckle any time someone suggests, with a straight face, that the the Franks and Germanic political/religious establishment which spearheaded the Crusades did so in an attempt to restore anything. Oh, sure–the First Crusades were largely motivated by the Selujik wars upon the Byzantine Empire–though it's ludicrous to argue that Emporer Alexius had any more legitimate claim to Jerusalem than did a locally-inspired Muslim Caliphate.
Religious wars are causes of the killing, aye? How many people died in the crusades? Answer, not very many in comparison to what modern secular governments have done. Was religion resposible for WWI, WWII, Korean, Vietnam, ect? The answer is no, those were the creation of secular peoples. Heck WWII alone killed 60 million people, and it was caused by the non religious governments. Thea reality is that war was much more violent and common when religion started playing a lesser and lesser role in governemnt. Not to mention war is ultimently caused by man, not religion.
Paul – are you kidding me? Religion wasn't responsible for WWII? Have you read any of Hitler's writings? The man believed he was doing the work of God by wiping out all of the Jews. How about the current 'war on terror'? I suppose that has nothing to with religion either.
♪...nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace...♪
I hope Anne you keep your faith in Christ as he is the author and finisher of what we believe.
THe time you spend in prayer and Bible Study with a close group of believers and individually will have a direct impact on your effectiveness as a follower of Christ. THere are no short cuts ..there are no polictical parties..it is about relationship with Christ who gave His life willingly for you and rose again. "Religion" is man made...relationship is about knowing christ intimately thru His word.
God bless you and hope you maintain that relationship
One of the main reasons that she left, which CNN conveniently leaves out, is that she refuses to be anti-gay. Why?, because her son is gay. Que religious bigots 1, 2 3...
Paragraph two, son. (Why do so many refuse to read these articles before commenting?)
Anne is right, God is not anti-gay, the story of Lot retold according to origninal Scripture explains it here, apageinthelife dot blogspot dot com slash 2009 slash 09 slash when-youre-six-feet-under dot html
The problem is distortion of the facts for selfish meanspirited reasons by power grubbing individuals and groups.
John Doe,
You do not have to be in this paticular discussion if you do not want to. It is your choice.
One can quit Christ followers without giving up on Christ. I cannot understand her decision to quit christianity because of the behaviour of some self-righteous and vicious individuals. There is no collective salvation. Salvation depend on individual relationship with God and not what church one belongs or go to. She should look beyond the pulpit and focus on our Lord and Saiour Jesus Christ. He only, is the righteous one and the ultimate picture of a perfect Man. He even said it that "there is no righteous person, no not one". I will be praying for you.
She HASN'T given up on Christ. Please read her actual words.
On the one hand, I don't feel any attachment to any label - including the label, "Christian" (though my beliefs and the spiritual communities I associate with would certainly be labeled "Christian" by just about everyone). So I can understand her not wanting her faith to be defined by that label.
On the other hand, it seems to me her perception of Christians and Christianity has been overly colored by how such have been portrayed by the popular press. NEWS FLASH: many people and demographics are not typified by the headlines about them and by the outspoken folks who are the subject of those headlines. If the people I happen to have met in life are anything to go by, there are in fact thousands upon thousands of Christians who are not "deservedly infamous".
Episcopalians are the opposite of everything she listed. They are christians, but have openly gay ministers and bishops, are especially concerned with women's rights, and at least at my church, embrace science as an integral part of the universe. I'm lucky to be in a very progressive church, I suggest you try it, Anne!
Mark C: you're apparently too stupid to realize that you make my point for me. It's the difference between saying "I don't believe in christianity because..." and "You shouldn't believe in christianity because...". It's the arrogant conceit that says you know the truth, they don't, and it's your genetically and intellectually superior duty to correct them as offensively as possible. Like MD said, it's what makes you such a condescending buffoon.
Anne is a moral relativist. She is influenced by the bad rap catholics and christians have gotten in the last 10 years or so. Her character is a weak one. But again, she was an atheist before, so she thinks is time to change her stance, once again, for the benefit of fame. Buy her books.
She professes a deep love of Christ, and a commitment to maintaining a relationship with him. Don't your ilk value that above all else?
@Mike... I don't believe somebody that does this publicly. It sound and looks like a prepared stunt. You don't even support christianity, so what do you care?
Abel, don't profess to know what I "support" or don't "support." That's my business. I'm no atheist, though. Whether your cynical perspective is accurate or not, she's professing a desire to maintain a Christian heart and soul, and to pursue her faith. You seem bitter because she's rejected your team and its flag, is all. Petulant, no?
I said it seems it is a publicity stunt. Now, as far as her descition to abandon christianity, it is misguided. That, I don't have any doubts about.
She was more patient than I was. I gave up religion when I was a kid and started thinking for myself.
Since when does being a christian not let you think for yourself?
If you really know Jesus, I don't think you can leave Him as He's made His mark on your life. Actually He traded His Mark for the one we missed, perfection. I think people are discouraged with jugemental Christians. As Christians we are to just love and forgive and love and forgive. We are to lead them to the cross through our love, and then they find the Lord's word and live by that. The only difference between Christians and non Christians is Christians are forgiven.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. – Mahatma Gandhi.
"It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor."
- Winston Churchill, 1930
Just by reading these comments, It is amazing the hatred many Christians have towards those who do not share their beliefs. Seems like the non-believers are the most well rounded, morally balanced and tolerant group out there.
I think you are a young fellow. Grow up, then wisely, re-make your statement.
Who cares what she thinks, seems to be a ploy for publicity. Surprised she didn't blame Bush LOL!! Anne go back in your cave!!
I found a good story about Cave Dwellers at the UFO Human Link A Page In The Life, turns out this is not the first time true Christians ditched the so-called-Christians; now if we can only get the Muslims and the Jews to follow suit...
If you people are serious about being followers of Christ, take a look at the Jehovah Witnesses they have down pack.
A refuge for frustated political opponents.
Religions will soon be eliminated by the governments. They now have all the money the government needs.
The mantra repeated, so often, by nearly all Christian facets–conservative, liberal, revisionist, fundamentalist, and so on–is that one's relationship with and dedication to Christ comes first. Given that, why don't the church's defenders here simply appreciate that this woman's personal relationship to Christianity will be best served in a different setting?
I agree 100%. i too am a christian but do not believe in all rules.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaahweeeeeeeeeeeeh ! She wants it both ways. You betcha !
Anne you must believe i thinks before you just believe in your mount not your in your heart
Asian Christian
I agree 100% religion and faith and belief are all amazing and uplifting. "church" and the MAN MADE rules of the cult like followers and supposed religious leaders is all blaspheme and self loathing. I always say I'm a recovering catholic. I'm a good person, I treat people with respect, I give what I can. I help where I can. I pray often and usually not for myself. This is religion and spirituality to me. I think Anne has made a great statement. WTG God bless us all.
Good for you, Anne,for just saying NO to bigotry. Now please go back to doing what you do best, and show Stephanie "Sparklepoof" Meyer what a REAL vampire is.
If you follow Christ, you are a Christian. It's as simple as that. There is no need to follow any particular 'flavour' of Christianity. After all, the first followers of Christ had nothing but his own words and actions to guide them. Unfortunately, there is very little in organized religion that Christ would recognize.
I left the Catholic church for some of the same reasons.. I felt pressured by the church to go along with their aggressive pro life movement, and If I didnt I wasnt a christian. The homily became a political podium . They also didnt want children coming to church on sunday morning and only allow them on Saturday night as they were too loud for Sunday Am Mass... I was away from the church for a long time and came back because my wife wanted me to. I did and accepted Christ again... I no longer belong to any church.. My friends no longer go for simular reasons...
Hey Tim, aside from the Catholic church problem you encountered, you can only accept Christ "once" in your life, the day you gave your life and everything else to Him, hence being born-again. That is Scriptual. I rejoice with you in that, but I think the word you were looking for was "re-dedicating" yourself to the Lord. Stay true to Him and forget what 90% of the people say on here because unless you're born-again, you'll never understand what it means to be "free" from bondage (sin). The majority of people here are "blind" to Scripture. I would also say most of the 90% don't even read the Bible and google versus to make it sound they know what they're talking about. I would even bet that they don't even know what the "Rapture" is because it is my belief, and belief only, that those of us 50 and under will see the Rapture unless the Lord takes us home early. Stay true to Him and no one else Tim.
It's quite comical how many people make the statement, "Who care's what she thinks?" If you don't care, why did you read her statement? Why are you commenting?
Also, some are up in arms about her stating that she didn't quit christianity, she quit the church. I think you guys rely on wikipedia too much. Part of christianity is believing in the church; therefore, when you quit the church, you quit christianity. You can debate that and I really couldn't care any less, but nitpicking what she is saying is a little lame. The point is, she seems to have grown tired of the "human opinions" associated with organized religion. Can't say I blame her.
Billy what you said is true about religions will be soon eliminated by the governments, the bible has foretold the very thing. I can wait for that to happen because this is one of the sign of the end of this system of things.
I feel the same way. I love God, but cant tolerate the Christian organization. Way too political.
DM You should join the Jehovah Witnesses, they are neutral, no plitics what so ever. They are advocating for God's Kingdom therefore there government it is no part of this system of things.
Beliefs like Anne's while encouraged and part of our free will are preyed upon and capitalized on by the zillion of "made-up" churches out there. Look at Catholicism (or Judaism) and all of its structure and rules. At least they know if they go to an Easter service at a Catholic Church in the boonies that they'll know pretty much what to expect. The other "churches" out in the boonies I'm not so sure I want to enter if I want to leave with my sanity in place.
Ann Rice said it perfectly, and so did Sinea O' Connor: Jesus needs to be rescued from humans.
Thanks for sharing this Anne. Not sure why you felt it had to be ab "announcement" . We weren't following your religious activities int he first place.
In otherwords, Anne.. keep it to yourself.
Jona, but you ARE following. There are hundreds upon hundreds of CNN articles to pour through any given day; you're free to pay attention to whichever strike your fancy.
That said, let's be clear. She appears to have made this declaration on her Facebook page–a place, in other words, where anything she announces or reflects upon is intended for an audience who DOES care: her Facebook Friends, essentially subscribers. Got it?
NO .. I am not "following" anything, Got it? I came here to pint out how friggin irrelevant and silly this is as it is when some lesbian "comes out" Get a life .Anne Rice's beliefs are as irrelevant as one blade of grass in a forest.
Lemme know when the Pope does it.
But Jesus said we should be Christians - wait, no he didn't...
This is what happen when Religion practices are contrary to what the BIble teaches. Today, bad is good and good is bad and humans think that their ideas are better than anyones... including God
As children when we acted judgemental. My mom used to say: "There is so much good in the worst of us and so much bad in the best" I think she had a good point.
good for her. Religion is not compatible with the modern world. It's been 2000 years, why haven't people let their thinking evolve?
http://www.tentmaker.org
interesting read
hell = lost in translation
Chrisianity is two things. One is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Walking and talking with Him every day, loving Him and obeying Him. Anne, I hope you haven't walked away from Him. It's a relationship.
The second thing that Christianity is (in our society) is an organization in the control of humans. I have found great unity with brothers and sisters of all faiths when we talk about God's love and a personal relationship with him, but the organization you read about in CNN is not the Church that Jesus died and rose again to save. It is a mirror of our own self deceived mercenary desires trying to hijack God. How ridiculous is that. Try reading your Bible daily, praying while you read and obeying what you understand to be taught (keep in mind that any book can be mis-read if it is taken piece meal). You'll find that Christianity isn't Baptist, Lutheran or Eastern Orthodox, it is walking hand in hand with the Savior.
I felt the same way and became part of the Unity Christianity. I had prevously been fed up with bible thumpers who were banging war drums, claiming that the start of the Iraq war was some sort of glorious crusade. That isnt what Jesus would do, and unity is a better alternative fit.
Who cares. As Hillaire Belloc said, there is no such thing, and there never has been, as a Christian Religion. There is the Church, my guess is she was never a part of the Church, so who cares, this isn't news.
Christ didn't hate any of the people in these groups nor do I. But I do despise the sins of all people in any group just as Jesus does. Ms. Rice got it partially right anyway.
she looks like she lost some weight, pretty smile.
I agree she looks good. Minimal or no plastic surgery and the light of the lord glowing in her face. : P
The reason to quit Christianity is because it's a lie. Not because of the bigoted behavior of Christians, not because of priests raping children, but because it's the continued mythology humans invented to explain the natural world around them. The sun? Oh that's Helios. The moon? Her name's Luna. Thunder and lightning are scary – oh, that's Thor. The ocean gets stormy sometimes. Oh, that's Poseidon. Volcanoes erupt occasionally. That's Vulcan, the angry god of fire. You have to placate him by throwing in a virgin.
As we've uncovered some of the forces behind these awesome natural occurrences, the gods we'd created to explain them have faded... only to be replaced with our new mythologies. Grow up people. It's okay to come out of the Bronze Age.
Great points you make, Ben. Sounds like you actually did some thinking on the subject. The trouble with "christians" is that
most were brainwashed as children. Wanting something to be real does not make it so.
Just because it's been around 2000 years doesn't mean anything, since people were positive the earth was flat for millions of years. They even had proof!....Stand near any shoreline, and as far as the eye can see, there is a long flat line. Of course, the world could not be round, since you'd fall off!
The first century philosopher, Seneca, said "Religion by the common people is thought of as true, the wise as false, and
by leaders as useful".
There is nothing revolutionary about the statement "love one another"; an eight year old could have said that.
As a matter of fact, whatever good there is in religion, can be had without it.
It would be smart of christians to consider that they have been fooled by all this stuff. It's really about being controlled,
(by the leadership). Time to grow up!
You guys who still believe in our time in a God...Jesus or anything else there is in that book we call Bible are just 'TARD. Grow a brain.
after you, my dear Alfonse, start here apaginthelife.blogspot.com
"Religion is not compatible with the modern world."
The Modern World will fade before religion does
You're right in a sense. There will always be people gazing at the stars, dreaming up stories, or speaking to rocks–even long after our cities are ash.
this sound off was just made for this blog apageinthelife.blogspot.com
turns out true religion is the reason we even have a modern world, what planet are you all on?
As long as she has a Higher Power it makes no difference to me. We give love & receive love.we forgive & are forgiven,just be a good person–that is what counts. We should not be measured by our religions or beliefs. After all look at mel Gibson.
http://www.tentmaker.org/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=156
Hang in there Anne. Don't confuse the followers with the real man of sorrows. He saves. Everyone knows it. Everyone.
The Eucharist is what is all about!!
She's a wacko, but then so are the people she's talking about. If Jesus exists and is to return, the FIRST people he will smite will be the virulently hateful, self-righteous haters of the "Christian" right.
Personally, I don't think there is a higher being, but I respect the rights of those who believe to worship as they see fit. However, I do not respect those that expect me to live my life based on their beliefs. Our founding fathers spin ever faster in their graves when they hear how anti-American these alleged patriots behave. Pathetic and sad.
How about being a happy, optimistic atheist. It works for me.
FINALLY...Anne has seen the light!!!
Welcome to the REAL world Anne...good for you!!!
Cheers and hurrah!
She wants her own religion. Cafeteria Christianity at work. I've read almost all her books, especially her "Christian" ones. She is easily led, wants to be liked, and has never been able to come to terms with the dichotomy between Christianity and her own personal beliefs. Jesus asks Peter, "Do you love me.?" Peter says, "You know I do." Jesus then says, "Obey my commandments." Notice He didn't say suggestions...
Yeah, yeah... but how's Lindsey Lohan doing?
What Anne Rice calls "Christianity" sounds similar to what Kierkegaard once called "Christendom." He attacked Christendom, which was his duty as a Christian, a follower of Christ. It seems necessary to make a distinction of this kind, in one set of terms or another. There's no clear or easy way to do this without a long explanation. The danger of course is that you can end up creating a new religion that is now pure, one that keeps all the bad guys out so that you and your religion are not contaminated by them. Anne Rice has taken on a necessary but difficult and endless task.
What *IS* Christianity? That is the most important question of all. Truly, Christianity is nothing more than the walk between God and His children. Those who are born again, meeting the requirements of Romans 10:9 and 10, are 'born again. That means they are God's children, just as each of us are the children of our parents. Nothing can change that. If Ms. Rice meets that simple criteria, then she is a Christian. If she wishes to disassociate herself from the religions claiming to be 'Christian', I don't blame here. I did that a long time ago.
I quit "Christianity" about 30 years ago for the same reasons. What took Rice so long? Obviously, she's referring to the "church" here, rather than the actual belief system– which has almost nothing to do with the church establishment today. When so-called evangelicals started meddling in politics so that they could inflict their grotesque beliefs on the entire society, it was time to get out. Genuine belief and worship is a beautiful thing, but over the last generation has been twisted and repackaged as a judgmental and xenophobic system.
Right on!
The day I see the vatican sell some of their priceless art to feed the hungry I will beleive that they are more concerned with people than money. When religion is used to bash people over the head it is no longer a good thing. It's an evil thing.
Ms. Rice obviously has never met a real Christian. I'm a Born Again Christian, and none of her "anti" complaints would apply to me.
I wounder what your congregation would say about you.
WOW !!!! Someone finally put into words how I believe..
Don't blame her a bit. Organized religion is a disgrace for the most part.
Christianity, the only army that shoots it's wounded.
Onward christian soldiers !
It sounds to me like Anne thinks being a follower of Christ is some sort of social club.
LP, Sooner than later you will realize how wrong you were. All signs the end is near are out there.
The global economy is a total failure,
increase in violence is here,
false religions are rampant,
people drawing away from God and showing no respect to God everywhere.
Big corporation contaminating earth
religious leaders not leading properly or warning people of what is ahead
Nations in peril not knowing the way out.
I understand all your frustrations, but you are not looking in the right place for the right answer.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Really ? You believe its the end ? Awesome.. please will to me and my future generations everything you and your like minded friends/family , have.
Thank you
Karl
Religion is one of the two reasons that the #%&$ seems to be hitting the fan in the first place. The other being capitalism. It's a cause, not a solution. Most of the world's problems are either rich countries trying to get richer or religious countries trying to (violently) push their views on us all.
There's no DOOM day for earth... how about cleaning the house and get rid of the ones causing all the problems? Or you people believe that things will continue the way they are, getting worse every day? God's plans to convert the earth in a Paradise weren't stopped. He just gave time to human kind to try every kind of governments, Democracy, Facism, COmmunism. All of the them are a totoal failure because none of them has been able to provide humans what only God can provide, which is eternal life in a peaceful world.
We were created to live for ever, if not have you ever wondered why we don't want to die? Have you ever asked yourself why we love nature, animals, etc?
Jesus promised a new world free of wicked people, and is around the corner.
Great quote Liz. I'm an atheist often appalled by organized religion and those that blindly follow it regardless of how ludicrous it may seem. I respect people's choices, but not when religious zealots feel compelled to criticize others unlike them or push their beliefs on non-believers. No place will you find more hatred than in a church, mosque, etc.; ireligion seems to be the most hypocritical mechanism in the world.
One Nation Under God
Shut it!
It's about time. I wonder if she will write more vampire novels, or if she is still condemming those.
What Christian can't relate to that! Let's not confuse the message with the messengers : ) Christ has been misrepresented and misused by many a Christian, but the Christ is the answer. He will return and He himself asked, "will I find faith on the earth?" .... Anne, hang onto your God, your Bible and your faith.
Earth, this is GOD.... stop typing and start doing good works. and NO, that doesn't mean killing my other children in Afghanistan. Jesus!! Stop jumping up and down on the couch!!!
You first.
I love how folks with weak moral foundations attempt to justify their waivering actions by nonsense like this.
I submit there is no love in you. Pull the plank out of your eye.
The trouble with christianity is that jesus left out the answer to the most important question of all humanity . . . What do women want ?
42? Nope, doesn't quite work.
Before any of you say anything bad about the bible, you should read it for yourself cover to cover several times and see if you will come to the conclusion that it is a fairy tale book. I have read it cover to cover and i have read many other men made books and none of them can come close. The bible is a seller year after year. And I think God for the bible because the idea that I evolved from apes is depressing.
Well, I understand what she's saying. However, she also seems to be painting all Christians the same color.....which is really no different than painting all Moslems as violent fanatics, all Jews as greedy, etc. It sounds like she may have just been aligning herself to the wrong denomination. There ARE very liberal Christian denominations that embrace ALL people and are less judgmental. To each her own, though, and I'm glad she's found some peace.
That's exactly how my wife and I believe! We believe in "Buddy J" but we are sick of the power hungry and the judgmental.
There is a huge difference between being truly Christian and belonging to a fundamentalist Christian movement. Ann is right in one respect- fundamentalists are ruining the association of Christianity with any reasonable mindset. I am staunchly pro-Christ, but similar to being a political independent I consider myself an independent Christian. Understanding what Jesus brought to the world is essential, following modern fundamentalist doctrines is contrary to His message.
"Enjoy your time in hell being embarassed for changing your faith to adjust with the times........idiot"
This very comment reinforces Rice's reasoning and subsequent departure from the fallacy of religion. It is possible to believe in GOD without believing in man's intrepretion of Christ through religion. Religious terrorism needs to be dealth with once and for all, more people have been killed in the name of GOD than any other reason. What the author of the quoted comment proves is the intolerance of religious fanatics with anyone that doesn't maintain the same narrow minded thoughts as they do.
Actually that is a silly lie. More people have been killed in the last 40 years by atheistic governments (over 150 million) then by even the most extreme statistic for those being killed in the "name" of the Biblical God in the past 2000 years (at most 17 million). Actually many of those were Christians being killed by a pagan infested Catholic church during the dark ages, their Bibles being burned along with them, only for daring to quote from it. Please be more careful in your random accusations, thank you.
Here we go again. Apparently leaving Christianity or confessing to be gay is news, however, the opposite is ignored.
Joe, we always suspected.
I was the daughter of agnostic parents and ended up converting to Catholicism. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Catholic church. We do not diss gays but do not allow intercourse outside of marriage – that's according to the Bible. As for leaving the church due to it being pro life, there have been many more who have CONVERTED to Catholicism because of the respect for ALL human life from conception to natural death. Also to note: because she leaves now (Anne Rice) doesn't mean she might not return. Most spiritual paths are not in a straight line.
Tell us about the little boys.
More power to her.
Quitting Christianity is close to quitting on Jesus. The Bible teaches that The Church is "the body of Christ" and Jesus is the "head of the body." Jesus himself is loving and kind to us no matter how imperfect we are, no matter what our opinions are. The Truth is Jesus is in Heaven now as our mediator between us and God because we are imperfect and can't approach God the way we are. Jesus doesn't expect us to be perfect nor our opinions. As the race of man we are busted and broken and we cannot fix ourselves. To quit Christianity is to abandon the mercy of God towards ungodly Christians and Sinners. Now to disagree with other Christians is okay and to disagree with veiwpoints of the Church is okay. Luther disagreed with the Catholic Church and millions of people lost their lives and this is the sad history of the Church. We can disagree with the Church and sad to say the Church isn't always led by the spirit of God, however the Church is still the body of Christ and Jesus is still the head of the body and one day Jesus will come back for his body and we will be one. Stay close to Jesus no matter what
The bible says none of this. The catholic church says this.
The Bible also calls believers to be good Bereans. Studiers of the word. To achieve the spirit of discernment so as not to be trapped by false teachings.
Christians are sinners saved by grace – not perfect by any means. It is their faith in Christ which defines them as Christians – he bore the penalty for their sins – since they by themselves are unable to live completely righteous lives. There it is where their detractrors go wrong – they expect Christians to behave as Christ – which is not always the case. If a Christian truly loves God, he/she will look beyond the faults of their fellow Chrisitans, forgive them and love them anyway – just as Christ did and does. Maybe that is a lesson Anne Rice never learned....
This absolutely sickens me. This is just another sign of the coming of the Lord. Things just keep getting worse and worse and when people like this are left behind after the rapture of the church, they are going to realize that they didn't live the life that Christ commanded us to live. It's just so sad.
You are a product of brainwashing. Very sad. God is Love.
Brittany,
What about this sickens you. Her decsion to walk away from "Christianity' is not the same as walking away from Christ. She states in her comments, “My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me," Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
She is not renouncing her faith, she is walking away from a religion that has been hijacked by legalism, special rights for those who fit a particular mold based on man's interpretation.
She is choosing to follow Christ, but not buy into what Christianity has become.
I, for one, applaud her action and fully expect her to be one of those carried away in the rapture.
All religions are designed to control the the people whom wish to remain ignorant, are afraid of dying, and need a fairytale of an afterlife to live their life. Face it, man is just another animal, and dead is dead.
Religion is set of rules and ceremonies that are set up by mankind. True Christianity is NOT a religion but a faith and a relationship with God. Christ himself was likely the most anti-religeous person to have ever dwelled here. All that is required of a man or a woman is faith that Christ became a sacrifice for us ..... no need for anything else ..... including a new rule book.
Religion is the hook in the jaw of the ass.
There are plenty of Christians that work to flood the West with the refuse of the Third World, in the name of mercy and social justice. She should go fellowship with them.
Christians, oh yeah, they are the pepole that cut you off and flip you off on the freeway Sunday mornings.
All the catholics are at mass. The Mexicans can't get their car started. All the jews are in Palm Springs or Miami. Those must be muslims or those terrible athiests that flipped you off. Betcha !
Religion.. the worse plague ever known to man.
Oh well, as they say you can fix ugly but you can't fix stupid.
I know exactly what she is talking about, too. These 'Christians' should take on the name 'Bigotians' instead.
It seems she is judging an entire faith and the members thereof based on the actions of a small segment. That is HARDLY following Christ. Perhaps, rather than condeming the entirety of Christianity, she should work to fix the areas she feels are a problem.
And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Hello...is this what the vast majority of people out there think?...I think so !! Kudos for saying and doing what is in your heart. It takes courage and true pride in oneself to say "enough" hypocrisy. Be there no mistake...churches are a business...often where,to whom,and to what the money from your wallet goes is seldom clear. Many people join and follow lock step large Christian churches in an unconscous effort to sway those pearly gates open for them. More have died in name of religion than for any other reason. Paradoxical and pathetic.
Religion, opiate to the masses.
Why dont you just let the woman do what she wants without judging her – a lot of these posts reinforce what she is talking about....if you're not "with us" there's something wrong with you. It's her life, her call.......none of us can judge her.
Thank you!
Someone should introduce her to the United Church of Canada.
"United Church of Canada"
In this church you to to Haven instead of Heaven when you die.
People don't like religion because they don't understand it. 'Christianity' is centered on Jesus. The term Christian means 'little Christ" and was used to describe the followers of Jesus because they believed in Him and acted like Him. Christianity is rooted in love. There are individuals who are self-proclaimed 'Christians' who may be hypocrits or may not be true Christians. But the faulty actions of mis-guided, hypocritical individuals, does not transfer to the fundamentals of Christianity. Just because some 'followers' are misguided and hypocritical does not mean Christianity is, because it's not. And the Church absolutely does have a place in society. Everyone, regardless of your beliefs, needs people to relate to. For the same reasons this is why support groups exist for all kinds of things ranging from addiction/rehab groups, to fitness training classes at gyms. People support each other in their beliefs and actions. The Christian Church exists for the same reason. To encourage and sustain each other in faith, and learn from and follow Jesus Christ.
Anne wouldn't disagree.
I am afraid that Christianity itself is at fault because it does not police who speaks for it. We talk about those who are hateful and dismiss them as a minority. Why do we not publicly distance ourselves from this nasty group of people. I am afraid that American Christianity is much more uncaring than we will admit.
“They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us.” 1 John 2:19
Dear Ann, I am pretty happy that you have decided to get along with your worldly principles rather than Godly. Although, I do believe that christianity as a religion doesn't do anything for you, only the relationship with Jesus Christ does. Having said that I do not think as per the Bible that we can embrace sinful nature. I am not telling you to hate those people but you cannot love sin.
She's confused...she admits she has a personal relationship with Christ and this is first and foremost. Followers of Christ are and were (biblically) called 'Christians'. She is putting too much emphasis on what other people are doing/saying. Her walk/journey with the Lord should be her own. If you go look, they had this same issues early on in the church... only God is perfect, people are not. And those of you who think you have 'no religion'... you do. You have church of 'Money', 'Job', 'Self', or whatever...Atheism is impossible.. you WILL make a God out of something if not the Lord.
KLC, she's not confused–you are, regarding her position. Frankly, she's in agreement with you. You've written, for instance, that "her walk/journey with the Lord should be her own." Isn't that precisely the move she's making? She's expressed, above all, frustration with the community of Christians she's dealt with, and has elected to seek out God and Christ in a more personal, private means.
If there is a god, he's far from perfect considering what he supposedly created. Maybe he should have put more than 6 days work into it.
Hmmmm....I had no idea she was Christian.
She was a self-described atheist for many years, and later an agnostic–at some point, maybe 6 or 7 years ago, she declared that she had experienced a personal change in herself and was becoming a full-blown Christian. She wrote a series of novels about the life of Jesus.
When will people understand that Catholicism and "Christianity" are not synonymous. The "Church" does not belong to Catholics, it belongs to Christ.
Islam is the only way, if she is looking for truth. Prophet Jesus (pbuh) would come back to this world as a Muslim also. (saying of prophet Mohammad (pbuh)
The idea that she was trying to believe makes no logical sense. You cant force yourself to believe something.
"Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me." – john lennon.
...and he is right, there is nothing that is remotely christian about the modern american christian cult.
As I believe Gandi said; "I love your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Ghandi is dead..Jesus is not. You won't have to stand before Ghandi on judgement day, just remember that.
Milky, Thats not very Christ-like of you! Question is, will God judge you for judging others. Its not YOUR job! So mind your own business and live your own life.
Thanks, Milky, for once again making Ghandi's point. (While simultaneously MISSING it).
Christ wasn't ashamed to call out sinners, nor was he wasn't ashamed to forgive them and offer repentance. Poeple confuse his forgiveness with acceptance of sin. We can be tolerant and loving of others who live different lifestyles, but I'm sorry, at the end of the day I'm not going to say they are right just because they mis-understood what Christ was all about.
To each his own.
She seems to be confusing Christianity with the extremists on the Christian Right and the Vatican. Although I feel I've moved beyond the need to believe in Santa Claus, divine beings and the Easter Bunny, there is certainly great merit in the teachings of Jesus. On the other hand, many of the interpretations over the last couple of millenia leave a lot to be desired.
Keeping the government and religion separate was a good idea at the founding of the Republic, and it's a good idea now.
Hurray for Ms. Rice, realizing she cannot live a lie.
You can't just pick and choose which of Christ's teachings and doctrines that you want and forget the rest and then still call yourself Christian. Read and study what He said and did in the Bible and you must come to the conclusion that there are many "professing" Christians, but few "true" Christians.
You'll forgive me for noting how typically "Christian" your language is: exclusive and exclusionary in an inherent sense.
I'd argue that your reasoning is misguidedly qualitative. What you're most accurately arguing, after all, is that many aren't "good" Christians, according to your personal standards, in turn based, of course, upon your personal interpretation of the texts. If reality illustrates anything at all (that is, the vast myriad of sects, divisions, teachings and practices associated with the Bible over 2,000 years), it's that your claim to the singular and correct standard is a false one.
Nice Mikel - you could've said that in a sentence or two and sounded like a pretentious p*r*!*c*k
Anne says...."But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”....
Whatever does she mean – if you don't follow the individuals who followed Christ, then what are you following? Christ is Christianity. I don't know what "Christianity" she is talking about. She just does not want to take a stand. Sorry, Ann, but I think you are confused and hanging around the wrong people.....
I think her message is about being Christ-like, not a Christian. Man has interfered with the message and delivery so much that being a Christian today is not being Christ-like at all.
Religion is mans effort to reach God. True Christianity or Christ followers, is God reaching down to man. I take the latter of the 2 since God is so much more reliable than any man.
Wow so much righteous indignation for something that isn't our decision! Anne's decision to go public with this had to have been difficult and I will not question her reason for doing so. I merely wish her luck in finding what she needs to go forward with her faith in God and Jesus. I have many bibles in my home and not one says the same beyond one concrete item that happens to have been written in stone: The Ten Commandments. Sadly, we don't have the original of them, nor of any original copy of the bible, the one that says 'first edition, first printing 1 of...' Religions biggest problems began with heresay and with the interpretations for translations.
Go with your heart people, be good, kind, considerate, generous, helpful, loving and faithful. Do your very best every day and try not to give up on yourself, your family or your faith.
These are the things that matter.
Puzzle?
Are you sure it isn't Enema?
Atheism is a true expression of freedom. Free yourself!
Good for her! Religion does nothing to help the world. It is used for hate, anger, and even wars. The good thing she realizes is that you can still love God and not be in a church! And its okay too!!
I don't really understand what she's leaving and what she isn't, or why I should want to know. She disclaims, "if you care," but inherent that disclaimer is the assumption that some people will. Why? It all sounds like a shoddily calculated publicity grab.
On a related topic, I'd like to announce that I am leaving the bathroom. It's not that I don't still poop. I just don't want to associate with people who poop. And I want everyone to know about it, in case they care.
Anne, I agree with many similar statements on this blog that you have not discounted the beliefs, you have denounced those who profess to believe but are not honest believers and who do not practice their beliefs based on Christ's teachings. You and I corresponded about my concern for my own beliefs or lack thereof, and I think you are now where I was at that time. Thanks for speaking out.
She finally came to her senses.
Obviously she is a mixed up woman, first she does then she doesn't, and why do we need a public announcement ? books not selling well Anne. I know your last "Angel" book left a lot to be desired.
Keep your eyes on God and not on man. It's through faith that you believe and discern the word of God.
Funny how oppinionated and atheus most of you are and I bet don't even opened a Bible.
Glad she realizes how crazie fundies are and is open and NOT "anti-gay,anti-feminist,anti-science and anti-Democrat.” Being an atheist myself–i say whatever makes one happy, go for it. BUT i do believe one can be as happy not believing . i have never met any decent moral ethical loving people in my life than my fellow Atheist. BE GOOD NOW–who needs fairy tale to keeping one going.If Ann Rice made the move in saying i am NOT a Christian-but a follower of Christ. Whatever--i still want to spaghetti Monster to give me more PASTA!
Isn't it about time for Christianity 2.0?
I have NO DOUBT that Jesus of Nazareth existed. I would LOVE to sit around with the apostles and Jesus and share a glass of wine and some bread and get his insight on what is going on.
I'm pretty sure that Jesus (the man) would be appalled at what his message has been reduced to...guys on TV begging for money, child molesting priests, wars, etc.
Oh, by the way, I'm pretty sure Mohammed wouldn't be really happy at the way things are turning out these days. I'd like to hang out with him for a few days as well.
It's not the message....it's the messenger, both seem to be men of peace and common sense. The message just somehow seems to get lost and complicated in the "passing down,"
I don't know that Apallachian snake handlers are any different than the Taliban in their interpretation of scripture, which I always thought (Koran and NewTestament) was a message iof hope, love and togetherness,
I was in New York a few months ago and went to the Hard Rock Cafe and above the kitchen there's a big sign that says "LOVE ALL FEED ALL."
I think those four words pretty much sums the whole thing up.
Hug your children , wife, girlfriend or lover tonight and pass it along.
"Shower the people you love with love".....James Taylor
See ya from the still beautiful Gulf Coast beaches.
I have to laugh at this whole dialogue. We embrace being open minded and loving everyone in our society, unless your belief system requires that you be more modest. MOST Christians are not hatemongers who do nothing all day but spew venom. And yet, the liberal thinkers seem to do a lot of stereotyping, and lumping people together. Hmmm... So we can apply the liberal mentality, and every politically correct agenda has to be swallowed by everyone. (DRINK the fruit juice, America) I CHOOSE daily to do what I believe is best, treating those around me with common courtesy and respect until you show me you are not worthy of it. Seems there are several here simply not worthy.
Church is a social network with a bend on spritual facism. It is not the word of God that pushes people away, it is the politics that push people away.
I suppose next she will become a Scientologist
Welp. Who saw this coming? (raises hand)
Anne has it wrong. You don't have to be "“anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.” to be a Christian. A LOT of us are not. Don't be fooled by the few angry vocal people. It is the same mistake people make with politics painting parties by their most fringe elements.
And it is not "the Church" either it is some churches. Many of us Christians feel the responsibly to teach love and tolerance outside and INSIDE the church. Don't give up Anne. Our jobs and your views are more needed than ever.
Ther first church did not call itself Christians. The towns people called the first church Christians/Little Christs because of the way they treated eachother. I submit that the Chuch as a whole is nowhere near this model today. What ever happened to Promise Keepers?
Atheist are a joke. Even the Devil believes God exist!
yes little grasshopper, now run off and play with Santa, the easterbunny and all your other made up friends.
We don't believe in the devil either so who cares what he believes...
and every one claims they love Jesus but they are not familiar with his teachings. Very shallow statements about bron again, or Jesus this or that. I challenge you Christians to quote form the Bible. OOps, you are embarrased of even using the Bible
very impressive. You will really have folks flocking to your beliefs by trying to make them feel ignorant. As an agnostic, I feel there is certainly nothing wrong with asking for any shred of evidence to support one's argument. Blind faith leads to slavery, war and strife. When you rely on others to think and reason for you, others become your master. I do not subscribe to the belief that all men are born bad and made good by faith or society for that matter. Men are born neither good nor bad and are made based on their social influences. I also believe that various religions have great social value up to a point. It is when society as a whole becomes manipulated by religioius organizations that it serves to harm society. I do not necessarily condemn you for your beliefs but I condemn anyone or any organization that attempts to create a 2nd class of citizens based on dogmatic views of religion.
love her.
I believe it says " find your own salvation..."
There are lots of people who worship Christ and do not attend a church. Still, I believe that since her daughter died she has tried to fill up the void with a "magic bullet" so to speak and finds nothing because it doesn't meet her standards.
Had to come to the same decision – my 'membership' in organized religion made me a silent partner to evil, and I simply could not continue without giving up Jesus' true teachings. The crazier and more political churches become, the more members they force into a crisis of conscience. That makes more people leave, which takes the voice of sanity and the true spirit of love from the organizations. And around and around it goes.
I applaud Ms. Rice for her honesty and her courage. She's gonna be crucified for this by those who were thrilled to have her on Team So-Called Christian for so long.
I can identify with Ms. Rice. I have always loved Jesus but I have a hell of a time with Christianity and Christians. I'll just stick to the old New Age cliche-I'm not religious;I'm spiritual.
Anne,
The Muslim world welcomes you, now strap this explosive vest on and walk on a bus.
Nonsensical, Irrelevant and Ultimately Stupid Post of the Day award. Also, I've declared you runner-up for the Not-So-Christian-Christian-Award.
(Islamic terrorism? Seriously? What a loser, kid.)
To Cathy–
Christ's way was to embrace everyone. Christians today are supposed to be Christ-like. That is what the term Christian means. Anne Rice is just trying to be the best Christ-like figure she can.
Amen, sister!!!!!
Go Anne!! I am right there with you: I left organized religion long ago (raised Catholic, have attented other Protestant churches), but my head and heart were aligned and I just could not accept the anti-gay, anti-feminist hypocrasy of most churches. You can be a good, moral person without religion.
When its all said and done it will be our Faith and belief in Christ that will stand. Alot of people claim to believe in a God, but their actions toward his people and children reveal something different. I'm not saying that I agree with this very public stand because it may serve as discouragement to those who seek God's face. All in all its a personal thing anyway.
I'm leaving pre-school because they're mean and make me do things!
God will not quit her..... That said, why is this newsworthy......
I know exactly what she is saying, I have also tried to fit in with the "Christians" here in the south, but you cannot be a Democrat or express freedoms for gays, or womens rights and be a part of this group...I am now a proud Unitarian and extremely happy
Christians are against womens rights, your nuts. Maybe the right to kill a baby, thats what thier against.
you hit the nail on the head! and most of the rednecks around here knock the "anti"
Secure the borders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just realized that American not only hate foreigners, they hate everything spiritual too!!
This is news? I'm Christianity won't miss her, anymore than they missed me when I determined religion is a crock of BS.
Yes, Jesus was not a "CHRISTIAN" he was a "LIBERAL". Living the words he spoke.
Talking about Love, showing lobe and understanding. Forgiving those who did not
believe in Him. Being his brother's keeper. He did not force Rome to make laws, neither
did he hate the people that hated him.
Anne, I agree with you completely. Organized religion has become severely corrupted.
One man decided which books would go in the Bible and others interperted the Bible
to enrich themselves.
You are right we do not follow others. We follow (means we are disciplined to his teachings). We are intructed to , or better yet, we were intructed how to love and forgive others. I know it;'s contradictory to how we think, react, etc. but the new nature promised by Him makes possible. Do you believe ?
Have you ever read the bible cover to cover in sequence? How may times did the temple get cleaned? Why did Paul wait three years to go talk to the people to met the physical jesus? Why did so many early christians make up their own books and claim those books were written by Paul. The book is a train wreck of mental errors. What's more, thinking that there is an afterlife diminishes the value of the actual life you are living right now. It's time to grow up.
question: if Christ died for the church wouldn't that mean that the church is something to be sought in a life that follows Christ? of course the church is made of fallen people, and some church are so off the straight and narrow, but to fully devoid and reject the "church" isn't right either. there must be some kind of seeking by a follower of Christ to interject into the church (the body – Christ's teaching on the hands and feet of believers). thoughts?
Chist said I will build my CHURCH, not churches. We are admonished to be one in faith and doctrine speaking the same things. There is one true church or Christ lied.
Yes, I left "The Church" because I too, didn't particularly care for their idea of politics. It disturbs me that women aren't allowed to be ministers, when we could minister best to women than men can. I believe in Feminism, the right to be and I shall defend the idea with my life. I refuse to believe that women were created to be under the foot of a man. We are here to stand beside a man, not behind him in a subserviant manner. I believe after having served in the military, doing exactly a man's job in combat support, I may not be as strong as a man, but I can do the same job as a man. If people wish to be gay, whether it is by genetics or choice, then so be it. Its not up to me to judge them. I don't particularly like the "campy" act, but I am not here to judge. Per John Lennon – Let it be! I am now Pagan, and I like it this way. I'm also a minister and a High Priestess. Its the best path for me. Yes, I still believe Jesus came to us to save us from ourselves, learning how to live with our friends and neighbors – Love thy neighbor as thy self. But I have yet to see this in the Christian Church.
If one claims to love Christ but hates his church, there is a serious disconnect somewhere.
She hasn't found the right church. It's not an easy task, but my husband and I found one that is very liberal with like-minded ideas of what Christianity is. We have several pastors at our church, one lesbian and one gay. In our church to be Christian is to love everyone and, of course, love Christ. I don't think she understands that she can stay a Christian and have your beliefs and not have to go to a church. She shouldn't "quit Christianity", that's worded wrong in my opinion.
She did word it clumsily, for an author.
That said, her point is sound: she has devised a personal strategy for pursuing God, and it involves not contending with a church community. You're absolutely right, Jess: there are Christian churches with liberal atmospheres and socially tolerant congregations. I don't think it's right to hold it against any believer, though, for seeking their own, personalized strategy for communing with God.
I pity al the people who believe that they are Christians, becuase you do not even fathom what religion is all about. It s not your fault, give your immature religion a few more milleniums and may be then you will figure it out. If you have not killed each other by then, that is.
This is news? I'm sure Christianity won't miss her, anymore than they missed me back when I determined religion is a crock of BS and told my mother I refuse to attend church.
While I really dont give a ding dang donkey what religion she is or not. Her comment about anti stuff isnt even true. No one says you have to be anti science anti feminism or anti democrat you dont have to be those things you can be a new age christian so to speak. Follow the main rules etc But I dont even think it says any of those anti's in the Bible I dont know not Christian
Good for her and I hope she goes farther. I think all region, e.g., Christianity, Islam, etc., belongs to the Dark Ages. Actually, I'm an anti-theist, i.e., against religion because it's done more harm than good over the millenia, subjugates its own people, elevates its beievers over others, and so forth. Darwinism slaughters it and I'm optimistic about the continuing evolution of society.
I agree with what Ms Rice wrote but why should it be in the news. Does her celebrityhood make it news?
So far so good–now 2 more steps to real-world salvation:
1) resume pessimistic atheism
2) achieve optimistic atheism
Best of luck.
all of you sound like pompous asses... really... you ALL do... spouting your reasons as to why ONE woman just wanted to leave a faith? this is HER decision. let her have it, leave her alone in it. someone reported on it and took a privacy away because she is a public figure. whether she allowed that to happen or not... big deal. shut up. you are no better than she is whether you are a christian or an atheist.
Interesting point of view which unfortunately makes sense. One could argue the only thing wrong with Christianity is Christians.
True Christian's must follow jesus's teachings.... like some of you I became disappointed in religion and it was because everyone wanted to do what was good for them a nd not what what was good to God.... Jesus taught about God's kingdom not man's and the only religion that follows his true teachings today are Jehovah Witnesses.... next time they come to your door why not talk to them instead of slamming the door on them... I did and now my eyes are open to all the false teachings that all the other religions allowed in order to get more money in their pockets. They are the only ones that truly love their neighbors throughout the world not just in their local congregations.
I know when I got married if you would of spoken badly about my bride it would not of been very good for you.
Im very jealous (we are the apple of his eye).
Quitting the church without quitting belief in the doctrine is stupid and hypocritical. The "Church" and the "Religious", have the same books, the same rules, the same rewards and the same threats of torture after death. The good thing is that she has taken a step in the right direction away from religious faith. De-Brainwashing is a series of these steps.... so good for her that she has taken the first one even if she is still clinging on to the basic nonsense of Jesus as a Scapegoat and Savior.
Eric Hoffer made the comment "Christ was not a Christian" If you chew on that for a while, I think you'll get what she's talking about.
Does this mean she no longer believes in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the other figments of immagination created by MAN? Sorry i forgot those things are fake, and some old guy living in outerspace somewhere judging me on if I eat a hambuger on Fridays is real.
"quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group".
And she's joing the democrats? LOL!
If god wanted a 1000 religions ...he's a success
If she wanted one true religion... she's a failure
I understand where she is coming from, I too dont believe in the Christianity ways. I hope that Christians dont take too much offense. But it just doesnt make sense all the hostility and quarrelsome behaviour of Christianity. I know there is a powerful source and we can attain that force within us to be what ever or who ever we can be..
Problem: If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you are admonished not to "forsake the gathering together of the saints". This is scripture.
The love Jesus taught is not acceptance of everyone's immorality. Acceptance of everyone, yes. But there must be a stand against the immorality. If that means I don't vote for Democrats because they, according to the party platform, are pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, then I don't vote for them and I, if called, campaign against them.
For those who think you can live a moral life without Jesus... and yes, I think you can be a good person in my eyes without Jesus, but... who defines that? Who decides what's moral? Government? Who?
For those who say "once you accept Jesus you are always saved", that just isn't biblical. Nothing can pluck you out of His hand... but He never said you couldn't jump out.
As for those who said that church leaders are telling people to kill people... I've been in a lot of churches. I am not going to say that has never happened... but this isn't Islam... Jesus didn't come close to saying this, and I have never been in a church where it was said...
She sold books as a pessimistic atheist and probably determined that she was missing a large sales market, thus adjusted her marketing strategy to include the christian buyers. She is now making another strategic adjustment, to corral all the debaters in one market. She'll be coming out with a new book soon. Is she atheist or is she christian? God only knows. One thing I'm certain of, she's a smart business woman.
The political face of Christianity has become prowar, progun, and devoid of love for the poor and lacking in tolerance. I hope that this trend passes, before more nice people feel that they can't be associated with the church
I must say this is the most civil discussion on religion ever on the CNN site... We must remember in our own personal walk with God that we cannot hide what gives us so much joy and peace in the corners of our hearts. We should share it with others. We have to share it in the way we treat our fellow man and tell them about God's love.
I think it is impossible to be a real christian, and write books about satan and the dark art of witch craft, she was a pretender and probably always will be
First off, Thomas, thank you for illustrating the broad, welcoming tent of the Lord. You've proven Anne so wrong in her distaste of a judgmental, intolerant community.
Secondly, for the record, when she claimed to have discovered Christ, she announced a rejection of the nihilistic themes in her previous work, and declared that all her future writings would aim to glorify God.
Don't let that fact interfere with your warm, accepting perspective of her, though.
As a follower of the only true and LIVING GOD, LORD N SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST my heart grieves for u ANNE, because it is obvious that u are confused or simply never understood that CHRIST IS CHRISTIANITY[He is the author thereof];unfortunately 'christianity practiced ' is not always in line with HIS teachings. Blame not yourself,as the abundance of fslse teachers/followers have sugar coated 'the word 'and lived hypocritically for decades confusing the whole world and misrepresenting GOD. But no one said the world was perfect;so if u wish to experience joy ,peace and the promise of eternal life ,profess ROMANS 10:9,HUMBLE YOURSELF ,POUR OUT UR HEART TO GOD and HE will show u the WAY. May the Lord have mercy on you and give you peace!!
Rice seems to have bought into secular stereotypes of Christianity, which is sad. There are followers of Christ who advocate social and political opinions across the spectrum. What is true is that you cannot have Christ without having the "body of Christ" – the Church. We are not called to agree with everything our fellow Christians believe or practice, but we are called to love them. Rice may think that she is losing nothing by abandoning the church, but I have lived among believers my whole life, and I can assure her that she is losing a great deal.
Dear Ann,
Amen to that. I always say "Judge not lest ye be judged". Now where did I read that. LOL No, seriously, I am with you 100%. People do not realize that part of God's wish for us and what he expects from us is the same thing. Follow the 10 commandments and you just about have it all. He created us all as equals. How sad for the whole world. I would not be surprised if he spent most of his day being so sad and disappointed with us. Look at all he gave us and how most of us we squander it. Most people don't get it. It isn't how much money you make, what social station you have achieved, but how you treat you fellow human beings and the rest of God's creatures for that matter. God help us all.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Ann....good riddance.
Ah, success, success, my plan worked. (rubs hands greedily together while chuckling) Soon enough Anne will be penning some delightful new yarns concerning all the doings of my earthbound minions, Jolly good! (gives thumbs up, swishes bifurcated tail in twirls of evil delight)
Satan, how many times do I have to say it: don't count your chickens before they hatch. Especially the ones you keep in that roost where you crudely painted the word 'evil roost' over the door. Christ!
Dude, you are already defeated!!!! Stay in your lane and under my feet!!!!
Ace, please return Gene's phone calls. I think he's serious and Kiss was never the same without you.
Ace, how can I be defeated? I'm the Almighty for chrissakes. Ah, I can't resist saying 'for chrissakes'. Who says I can't make jokes about my own flesh and spirit? He was my son, y'know. IS my son, I mean. Sorry.
But Ace, I do have to admit that the one of the few things that I agree wholeheartedly with Satan is that Kiss was a much better band with you in it. Definitely one of our favorites. (various 'hosannas' heard in the background)
FAVORITE QUOTE: When asked if he believed in Jesus Christ, Mahatma Ghandi replied, "Absolutely! It's Christians I don't believe in!!!
FAVORITE BUMPER STICKER: "God, protect me from your followers!".
Heres a thought, who cares!! i love how people get so wrapped up in celeb life styles that they loose complete track of their own.
When I chose salvation through Jesus I knew the end result wasn't this world. This is not it. When Jesus returns and that will be very soon, that will be it. I honor Ms Rice for being honest and candid. Everything mentioned is biblical. Jesus talked about how the cares of thie Life, persecutions from the world can sniff us out. Jesus said that he did not come to unite but to divide , wheat from tares, goats from sheep. We are to love everyone but hate sin, and folks, before 1963 sodomy was on the books of every state, a crime, a sin. Why does God allow Satan to be the Prince of the power fhe Air, to give you, me, Ms Rice, and everyone the gift -Free wil, choice, love -Faith in something unseen.
Believe me when you read this (Jesus will return very soon, 90 percent chance in your Lifetime). Oh yes, that's right, we are supposed to know the season, not the hour. God Bless
She needs a better group of friends!
Anne Rice quits Christianity. A deeply personal decision based on conscience? Or a headline-grabbing ploy to promote the coming third installment of her "Christ the Lord" books? Hmm... I wonder? Do people generally draft press releases to announce their deeply personal decisions?
There is only one true God. He is not with us at present, but history repeats itself, he will be back.
She must have been a lazy atheist and not a skeptic. I love these conversion stories from "pessimistic atheist" to Christian. Might as well pray to Zeus because basically they are one in the same, narcissistic bronze aged sky gods invented by man. These so-called atheist who convert obviously didn't even examine why they didn't believe to begin with.
Exactly. I'm an atheist and optimistic. I'm also anti-theist becuase religion because it's done more harm than good over the millenia, subjugates its own people, elevates its beievers over others, and so forth. Darwinism slaughters religion.
I thought this was interesting. It is sad so many people think the same thing about organized religion, but it is true.
What will the next article be about? Her BM's? Give me a break, who cares what this pretentious toad thinks!
Out of hundreds of available articles on CNN, you elected to read and comment on this one. You care.
The headline is unavoidable - on the front page of CNN almost dead center! If this were in the entertainment section I would have never sniffed it. Regarding the fact that I commented – yes, I'm a corporate time-stealing weasel!
Amen to that sister! Why stay with a group of people that are the exact opposite of what they say they are. They hate themselves, they hate anyone that is not like them, and they hate everyone that disagrees with them, in short they simply hate. Why one insists on calling themselves Christan but loathes all that Christ and God has given is beyod comprehension to me.
If only someone said – follow God. Whether you follow Christ or Bible or Koran does not matter.
As a Christian that just doesnt fit what i believe.
Did God tell you that it doesn't matter? Because if so, God is allowing religions to exist that don't agree with each other. I don't know about you, but if I'm going to follow a God, I want to make sure I have one that agrees with himself.
While I'd rather she go all the way and ditch Christ along with Christianity, I admire her for struggling deeply with the issues. Nonetheless part of true "spiritual maturity" is accepting there is no guarantee of a happy ending to your life, that there is no god taking care of you. Sure, breaking these religious attachments and comforting illusions is painful, but once you do you have liberated a lot of energy to spend on making the best of life emotionally that is actually possible.
Go, Anne! Christ is in each of us that believes, not just in some building....
Exquisite! I too went through a church period several yeas back after a(n) lengthy conversion/evolution. I moved into and out of the church. Recently, I tried returning and decided on Unity, perhaps the most inclusive, non-judgmental denomination that is considered a Christian Doctrine. Even with Unity, I could not find myself to be part of that kind of organized structure. I understand exactly where Anne Rice is.
"Goodness= God" just practice only good things –we will be saved. Do not have to be in any religion to be saved.
americans are so lame!
Yes we are, for well over 200 years we have been the lamest Champions of the World. It's hard to imagine how lame everyone else must be in they can't topple us. If we sent your country some more aid would it make you feel better?
Mark?
Hair lip Dog?
Christianity is a belief. If shes still belives in christ she is still christian. I dont particularly like church. I think you can be a christian just by reading the bible on you're own. Christianity is a label created by man not god. You just have to read the word and follow it. You dont need a church to do that.
Have all of you "I left-ers" forgotten Jesus words: Whovever listens to you listens to me? He was speaking to the apostles (the Church which he had established).
Vance, the theological point is taken–Jesus placed value in teachers, and in the community of the faithful–but he didn't expect (I'm certain) for countless generations to disregard their personal judgment at every turn and accept his self-described followers in whatever form they present themselves.
Communities and churches come in all forms. Who are you to presume Anne Rice won't continue her faith in private studies with small groups of like-minded friends? Or through occasional consultations with trusted theologians or clergy? Must one embrace and adore First Baptist Church of the Word, and all of their prescribed messages, to fit the bill of "good Christian?"
Mikel, thanks for graciously acknowledging my point (theologically speaking). ha. What Jesus did with the apostles was much more than 'value' them. He gave them authority. I would be the last to tell anyone to check their brain (or their conscience) at the door when they submit to the authority of the Church. However, as a Catholic, Anne agreed to submit to the authority of the teaching magisterium of the Church. The idea that she can reject the authority of the Church when it comes to its teachings on faith and morals while remaining a faithful follower of Christ is misguided. I am not speaking of everything someone with apostolic authority permits to be heard or read. I AM speaking of the authority of the Church to speak into every generation on matters of faith and morals. Period. Every age will have some moral dilemma, political reality or technological / scientific issue that the previous generation was not faced with. The Church is (among other things) the visible shepherd which Jesus left to guide his people through these things. If you have read Anne's statement, you can see that one of the things she is rejecting is the interpretation of modern problems by the Church as well as their authority to guide us through these problems. By leaving the Church she gives herself over to the tyranny of relativism that curses all those who live by flawed, human reasoning. There is no reason to rejoice when a strong-willed sheep leaves the safety of the flock and the shepherd. Jesus rejoices in returning that lost sheep to it's fold.
Good for Ms. Rice..and someone already said.."Jesus wasn't Christian either"...he was Jewish..as was his Mother. I rejected all of it some years ago for the belief that "God is"...God is in all his/her forms.
she should try Islam
Now why would she do that? Oh, I GET it. You're another one of those warm, patient and tolerant Christians–so much so, that is, that when a fellow believer expresses disillusionment with your church (and their basketball team), you feel driven to this sort of petulant "fine! go then and become a Muslim!!" recourse.
Terribly mature–most certainly Christian of you.
waste of time too
With so many disparities in story-telling even in the Bible itself, it's a wonder that ANYone believes in Christianity. You may as well believe in Harry Potter. There isn't even any proof that Jesus, as described, existed at all. What is so terrible about believing that there are nameless, faceless forces at work around us, that don't necessarily work for us or care about us, but which sometimes might help us? Everything is so me, me, me. It's like assuming that the first intelligent life that we come across in the universe is going to look humanoid, or believing that the sun revolves around the earth. We're not that important, never were, and never will be.
Anne Rice, that was perfectly said. My own feelings of confusion in religion were resolved after some deep thinking in what you said. God is my life, my being is for Him. I appreciate everyday with all my heart because I know a life is not something to take for granted. The Christian church, of which I belonged to as an adolescent, was actually veering me away from Him, because of so much negativity in many of its teachings. I too openly accept gays, feminism, democracy and, simply put, love. I live my life knowing that when God looks down on me, he will be pleased with my actions. I am a good person because I don't deserve to be anything less; He doesn't deserve anything less from me. I do right by him, by others and by myself, and I know He smiles. He didn't just die for the church. His relationships aren't composed of ties between Him and a body of people AKA a church, it is much much more personal and private, it is between Him and one person. What a church does does not dictate what kind of relationship a single individual should have with Him. That was in responde to Kole. Believe in Him and His ties with you, and you will find a life of enchantment and good.
So first she's a rational atheist, then a Christian Pollyanna, now an ex-Christian who still believes in all that religious falderal? What a confused woman! Go back to being an atheists–that's the only thing that makes sense.
OK, so when is CNN going to post a story when someone well-known decides to become a Christian, or decides to come back to whatever church he/she left? "THE" church is God's chuch...this is very different than "a" church, whatever the denomination may be. It would appear that this woman is yet another person in our society who wants her religion to be all happy-clappy and "feel good," with no right and wrong or clearly delineated right and wrong. That's not reality. We are all sinners in God's eyes. He DID set rules for us to live by, and there are eternal consequences for not accepting His Son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. I am not an intolerant fundamentalist. Love the sinner and hate the sin. If you do don't want to be inconvenienced by your religion, you're probably not going to like Christianity...look at the sacrifice Jesus made for us all.
So Anne finds that when she's in church she's among sinners that quarrel. I have news for her – church is for those of us that were lost and broken, and needed salvation. It is not for the man or woman that is strong and perfect, or those that are still comfortable in their destructive path that are still not broken.
I am pro-feminist, pro-gay rights, pro-science, and pro-Democrat (most of the time), and I am these things because of my Christian beliefs. I had dinner one time with a young lady who was a former Christian who had converted to Judaism. When she described her church life to me, I told her I was not surprised she gave up on Christianity, but that all churches are all hellfire and brimstone. I told her I was sorry she had to endure that. If Christians would just read the words of Jesus and ignore the rest, they would get a better understanding of what it means to be a Christian. God is not schizophrenic. Either believe in the God of Jesus Christ or believe in the God of the old testament and some places in the new (for example, Jesus' God would never smite anybody, but he did some smiting in Acts). They cannot be the same.
am pro-feminist, pro-gay rights, pro-science, and pro-Democrat (most of the time), and I am these things because of my Christian beliefs. I had dinner one time with a young lady who was a former Christian who had converted to Judaism. When she described her church life to me, I told her I was not surprised she gave up on Christianity, but that NOT all churches are all hellfire and brimstone. I told her I was sorry she had to endure that. If Christians would just read the words of Jesus and ignore the rest, they would get a better understanding of what it means to be a Christian. God is not schizophrenic. Either believe in the God of Jesus Christ or believe in the God of the old testament and some places in the new (for example, Jesus' God would never smite anybody, but he did some smiting in Acts). They cannot be the same.
I think this statement from her, sadly, is really about the fact that she's about to start "writing" again, and is priming the market. All she really said is that she still believes in Christ, but her "new" viewpoint conveniently allows her future writings to be accepted by every demographic-Christians, gays, feminists, democrats & republicans. I'm glad that her comments ring true to so many people here, but this is just PR work. Anyone with real faith, especially the kind that she's claiming, doesn't need to tell the world. She's just selling her newly refined image and, sadly, it will most likely work. New or spurned-before-but-giving-her-another-chance groups of fans will show their support and buy her new work, at least for a couple novels. I'm not hating on her, I'm glad she continues to examine the roots of her own personal faith, I just think it's sad that she, in my opinion, stopped actually writing a long time ago (I LOVED the first three Vampire Chronicles books), and chose instead to string readers along as she tries, under the guise of fiction, to find her place in the spiritual world. I can't see this announcement as anything but buying back fans who've left her ideologies behind, and another example of her need to keep the world aware and informed of every spiritual/moral roadblock that she encounters. I'm glad it clearly helps some people, but I can only say that for me, it's a little depressing how clearly her statement smacks of exactly what an agent would tell her to do to increase her shrinking fan base. It just seems like another costume for an author who, again, in my opinion, has cared more for crafting her status as a costumed author than writing as well as she could if she focused on the words and the stories. I'm not trying to convince anyone here, just venting a bit. If she speaks the truth for you and you find it edifying and faith-affirming then I'm glad for you. I just don't get the sincerity from her, and haven't for years...
everyone should do what their conscience dictates. there are many who believe in God and Jesus, but do not believe in the bible or even that the bible is an interpretation of gods word. Some of them are deists.
Anne has a right to choose what is good for her.
My hat is off to her! I am not a practicing Christian but I respect most of what Jesus preached. We can find the true Christians among us by how they live their lives and how they follow in his footsteps. The rest of these pious hypocrites are the worst of our lot because they claim to understand but act otherwise. Much of what is wrong with the world today can be sourced to people who spout evil in God's name, be they Christians or otherwise.
Pious Hypocrites?
You excluded correct?
Religion and Science are incompatible no matter what Theists and Agnostics say. Look at the computer you are using. The immense complexity within this device is based on fundamental or otherwise very basic phenomena in nature. We attribute what we know to probability, where extremely unlikely events are considered statistically negligible, therefore they are not considered true. Think of a tank of air spontaneously occupying only one half of the tank–it is statistically possible, but it is so unlikely that it probably never will happen. The attribution of a spirtual force to some otherwise arbitrary aspect of life is the same concept. So, I am afraid that she still follows a path that strays from intellectual growth.
Complexity? Ones and Zeros.
Bill are you retarded?
The computer is nothing more than a hybrid abacus.
It is appropriate that most of the manufacturing of these devices is done in Taipei.
Oh yeah, integrated circuits are so easy anyone can understand and build one, easy peasy!
Certainly, Christianity has nothing to do with the Christ, most likely never did, and he was a devout Jew as we know from your scripture. But for all who believe Jesus is The Christ (Messiah), his excellent life should be emulated not worn on one's sleeve. . I have known all kinds of christians in my 70 years: protestants, catholics, pentacostal, baptist, mormon, etc, but not one of these individuals emulates the life of Jesus, NOT ONE.
I chose NOT to raise my kids as christians years ago and never regretted it for a minute and neither do they.
Our family includes Hindu, Atheists , Jews and Cathlolics these days and. hey, if that's what rocks your boat, be a HIndu or a Muslim, or a Christian, etc. but at least be honest and keep all but your liove and charity to yourself.
After reading some of these posts I am sad to see how many does not believe. The books of the bible are the only religion that has historical proof that it is real, or for you have full glass people that it can’t be prove wrong. How many people have you heard say they live by the bible and their lives are bad, no, it is when people live without God and their bible that their life goes wrong. Come and have a happy and wonderful live, come and follow Jesus.
You go, girl! My own town of Williamsburg, VA is a perfect place to live; however, if you look under the bridges and in the corners of most buildings on any given night, you will see plenty of homeless people. Yet the churches here prefer to ignore this group of humanity because "we don't want them to feel welcome here." So we try to send them somewhere else. Then in church we ask God to "bless us everyone"???? Shame on anyone who doesn't see that all of us are created equal in the sight of God, that we are all part of the earthly community, that we are supposed to treat others as we would want to be treated. Hypocracy rules!
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It is interesting that the "Believers" come out of the wood work to comment when a celebrity Departs the Sect. The same vessels of light love are nowhere to found on blogs of great concern to the rest of America. Perhaps that is the reason for the success of today's church. When the church does come around, nobody recognizes it.
It is PEOPLE who distort the word of GOD to suit their needs. PEOPLE look at other PEOPLES failures and blame Christ. Follow Christ with your heart and all shall be well.
I understand where she's coming from. But I think it's Christianism, not Christianity, that she is leaving. Christianism is concerned with power and control, seeks to impose rigid fundamentalist orthodoxy through law, and does not recognize the separation of church and state. True Christianity, on the other hand, follows the teachings of Christ and is concerned with spirituality, not with with earthy power.
Jesus said: Whoever believes in him (Jesus) is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. (John 3: 18-19)
According to Jesus, people reject him because they love darkness and their deeds are evil.
The headline sensationalizes the truth of what Ms. Rice has actually said and done. In truth, what Ms. Rice has said and done here is something many of us have said and done: left the organized church, with its emphasis on politics, dogma, appearances, and other non-spiritual matters in order to focus on a personal relationship with Christ. That relationship, the Church seems to have forgotten, takes precedence over everything, and demands of those who profess to maintain it one thing and one thing only: that we love one another. Not that we chose whom we will love based on their actions or inactions, or most of the acts described in the New Testament and ascribed to Jesus become null and void – or at least a pleasant fairytale.
I applaud Ms. Rice for having the courage and strength of character to stand and state publicly what so many of us have said for years. It is not what one appears to be on the outside that makes one a follower of Christ, and personally, I am thankful that high-profile people such as Ms. Rice are finally pointing this out publicly.
I too am a Christian and completely understand what she is saying. Churches this day are too much about money and fame, not about love and compassion any more.
I too am a former Christian. I left the church for the exact same reasons as Ann Rice. I never could find a place in the Bible that advised man to start a "church". In fact, I'm pretty sure MAN created GOD in man's image, not the other way around. One more thing. Without religion, most of the wars on our planet would not exist.
Matthew 16:18: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church."
Welcome, Ms. Rice, to the growing ranks of Atheistic Christians! We welcome you with love.
Atheist Christians? Now that is a lost group of people if I've ever heard of one. I'm white, but sometimes I wish I were were darker, like a Filipino. White, yet Filipino. Sortof like Agnostic, yet Christian. But because I'm white and I want to be black, I could say I'm white black.
She needs to quit being a freaking Drama Queen
I wonder if she has ever tried the Episcopalian Church? It is not anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science or anti-democrat. Remember, church is not a museum for saints, it is a hospital for sinners. All of us fall short and miss the mark most of the time.
the episcopalians are just catholics who started following Henry VIII instead of Rome.
Harry women do not kill babies, you must have a very low opinion of women. Some women may determine that they cannot take care of a baby, and I guess they have the opinion that they are the only ones that should determine if the blob of cells inside their body should become their baby. You and all the other so called Christians that think women kill babies need to put all that energy into helping the real living babies that are already here that are not being taken care of.
I'm so grateful to have found a bible-based church. The bible doesn't prescribe political beliefs; the bible teaches us to bring peace, not division; the bible teaches us to glorify God, not ourselves. Anne, you're confusing the words of mere humans, sinners that happen to be in churches, with the word of God. We are not of this world. If you find yourself frustrated with people, welcome to earth. Turn to prayer, turn to the bible, and turn to God – it is there you will find salvation.
This world doesn't need religion. This world needs love.
Religion is to Teach not to Manipulate, yet time and again it is wielded as a tool to control the masses. Read. Those were not aliens visiting Earth during the Phoenix Lights incident. Learn more at the UFO-Human Link A Page In the Life...just might make some of us go back to school for that advanced degree.
Ephesians 2:8&9 "For by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourself it is a gift of God; Not of works lest any man should boast". The Bible says it is about the Gospel and nothing more. As a Christian our lives are to show who Christ is and his Gospel. That of love and salvation from total seperation from him and the father. The Bible says religion is taking care of the windows and the fatherless. True Christianity is seeking those who do not know the Father and telling them the Gospel. God will do the rest. It's not about the church or about the people. It's about God. Church is there so we can come together and brothers and sisters n Chrsit to refresh from the week and fellowship in Christ.
I also left Christianity but to a greater extent and it doesn't really matter. I was brought up as a Protestant, and at first I was very religious and once even wanted to be like a Saint. But I became disenchanted due to blantant hypocrisies and contradictions and for many of the same reasons Anne Rice left, I also did. However I have gone further than her. I can't believe anyone but perhaps a wealthy naive uneducated and sheltered or illogical person could let themselves believe there is a loving god. Sorry Anne. However, I did keep all my solid Christianesque ethics, only better. Rather than blindly following rules, or basing my morality and conscience upon faith, fear of god's wrath or hope of heavenly rewards, I base them on reality, facts, and reasoning. Reality and Logic work a lot better for me because I don't have to pretend there is a god of some kind up there loving us and watching over us, keeping track and caring for each one of us and preparnig ultimate fates for us on some cataclysmic Judement day. Sounds too much like a dippy lie anyway and is one. I am a happy and a very moral ex-Christian too but also a wise and good atheist. I am not lost and confused and I am not ever going back. Finally enlightened. TGIF.
All I have to say...Amen!
I see her point. There are a lot of Christians who don't follow the teachings of Our Lord Jesus very well.
However, I think each one of us has a responsibility to build up the church to what it should be rather than abandon it. Some of the comments posted indicate that there are Christ-Follwers here "throwing stones" at Christians. Hopefully you were "without sin" before those stones were thrown (See also Matthew 7:1-5).
Good point, JK...my observation as well.
Who really cares?
You, who selected this article among hundreds, and chose to post on it–you care.
Only 4% of people in the United States under the age of 25 are Christians...I am from the 70's generation of parents and I believe we have done a poor job of raising true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings. He loves us all but does not sanction sin, as much as that is not an acceptable doctrine today, not even in the church. It actually is hard today to distinguish between the unchurched and the churched world in many of the activities that both deem as appropriate. I pray for this country that we will revive and wake up to truly be a Christian nation and that God will continue to bless us as He has in the past because of our strong heritage in Him.
I was raised in a christian home (the whole family were Jehovah's Witnesses except me). I learned that basically the Bible can be broken down into 2 tenants. 1. Love God and 2. Love Thy Nieghbor. Thy nieghbor is basically everyone else in the world... the wife, your kids, co-workers, etc...even others people who don't follow the 2 tenants. If you love your nieghbor you don't abuse them, steal from them, pollute thier land, kill thier people. etc... These 2 principles are my guiding force in life not the structure religous organizations. good luck to Ann, hope she does not forget the love the lord brought to her life. God bless her and everyone one else in this forum.
Church is nothing more than a way to control the masses and make money. You can believe in Christ and not go to church. It's her belief and her choice and I applaud her for it. If going to church makes you feel good, then go, it's all up to the individual person. I read the Bible everyday but I don't go to church. That's my choice.
Catholicism.
Wow! Anne Rice is truly 'Queen of the Damned'! With the value system she describes, she is not a Christian. Christ's followers follow the teachings of the Bible. Thus, if Ms. Rice disagrees with other Christians, whose value system is based on the Bible, she is saying Christ is NOT the center of her life. Logic 101. Personally, I think Democrat and Christian are oxymorons. I'm just not sure how one can say they are Christian, yet support the value system of the typical Democrat (e.g. – most Dems are pro-abortion. they call it 'pro-choice'. Christ would NOT be pro-death!). It cracks me up how a Dem like Hillary Clinton can say that "as Christians, we have a 'moral obligation' to help those in need" yet she and other Dems are pro-abortion. Dems also typically pull this 'separation of church and state' garbage, making it sound like we should have freedom from religion, versus freedom of religion. Big difference. The founding fathers were ALL religious. They meant for us to be able to practice whatever religion we want, without the government being able to step all over it.
Anne runs, to Christ, from people like you.
Your so called God is very PRO death. There is more mention of murder and wholesale slaughter in the bible than there is of Love. God commands people to slaughter thousands of men, women, and children in his "good" book. The bible is a book of death, and it's followers are weak minded death worshipers.
At first I thought "how very sad for this woman...she must not have really known the Lord in the first place to turn her back on Him, because to know Him is to love Him" – but that's not what she is saying at all, as the article goes on to state. The Bible says "Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar." Ro 3:4. ...and also "there is no one who does good, not even one" Ps 14:3. I could go on... but the point is, you don't base your faith on a person or people, they will always let you down. But the Lord will not. I totally get what my sister in the Lord is saying here. However, the Lord will show her how to love all people, regardless if they're far-left or far-right or whatever. I totally get how she is against someone who is "against everything." Look at Jesus, he hung out with sinners and won them over by his actions and words. He came to save and heal the sick, not the ones who thought they were well.
God said love me, have faith in me, and I will comfort and guide you. Man, created religion; his own interpretation of what god meant. Man has failed, not God. I completely believe in God. I choose to believe in Jesus Christ as this is what I was taught growing up. However, I can not align myself with any form of religion – period – but I still consider myself a christian. And I could care less what anybody else thinks about my relationship with my God.
What church did Jesus attend?
Who really cares what this self indulged woman is doing. Tell it to God. I think she should take the thousands per year she spends on hair and fashion and give it to charity. What kind of car does she drive?
Interesting, Bob. I wonder: what offends you more? Anne Rice, a presumably wealthy Christian seeking out a means of spiritual practice which suits her, or the countless preachers and clergy who choke the airwaves while wearing gold watches and driving Cadillacs? I'm attacking nor defending neither. I'm just curious as to where you'd stand.
Perhaps Bob should ask God what kind of car Anne drives...
A Prius, of course.
oh boy...now I can sleep
Atheist Christians? Now that is a lost group of people if I've ever heard of one. I'm white, but sometimes I wish I were were darker, like a Filipino. That would be like an Agnostic Christian. But if I'm white and I want to be black, then I could be an Atheist Christian.
Depressingly understandable. Jesus had a fairly simple message of love, truth, & responsibility. It's astounding how many supposed followers can use it to justify hate, ignorance, & even mass murder – 'Christians' burned other 'Christians' at the stake for the wrong answer to: "How many angels fit on the head of a pin?" Now so many ostracize 'outsiders'. We need some more MLKs, Dietrich Bonhoeffers, & Bill Coffins. Maybe this headline will help.
Oh look, she's left her organized cult of morons to go be a moron all by her lonesome. Big news.
I agree. Gods are for primitive dummies. How stupid do you have to be to believe in this stuff. Jesus came back from the dead and floated off to heaven ? Yeah right. The Creator of the Universe had a son and sent him to be killed so he could forgive humans ? Please, how ridiculous. People who believe in Spirits, Souls, the Afterlife,etc are just plain CRAZY. Religion is for CRAZY PEOPLE !
Please, Jesus, save me from your followers.
If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20
To whom do you refer, Rob? Anne, who has come to distrust and dislike the church? Or the church's members, here in force, who have come to distrust and dislike her?
Rob, Are you saying that Ms. Rice, if she claimed to be a Christian, should be loving her brother Christians...even if they don't share the same political or cultural views? I would agree with that. Instead it appears that she has abandoned her spiritual brothers and sisters. I'd say she took the easy way out. Your bible passage refers to people of faith and the relationships between them. It seems like many of the people who post here are more willing to condemn Christians than love them. Of course, we would expect that of the world (as Jesus predicted), however, as Believers, we are still called to love our fellow believers if Christ...even if they are bigots, or racists, or even, gasp, Republicans! Jesus and his apostles didn't take the easy way out...neither should we.
She is breaking all of the Idols and shedding her burden to clasp the Hand of God, no better Friend, no Mightier Protector. And if the consensus is that He is not around, you all have not been paying close attention.
Richard, how much do you charge for trolling lessons? because that was pretty good
I'm glad you like it (lol). All I'm pointing out is the obvious: a Christian is, by definition, a follower of Christ. Anne Rice is purporting to be Christian, yet she says she does not want to be grouped with other followers of Christ – all of who purport to follow Christ's teachings from the Bible. Many Dems do the same. They purport to be Christians, but their beliefs are anything but Christian. Sorry, but the truth hurts! I still feel you can't be Dem and be a Christian (unless of course you deny the many un-Christian beliefs of a typical Dem, like being pro-death / pro-abortion!). Look... Dems even try to soft pedal abort by calling it pro-choice. Call it what it is: pro-death! Calling it a 'choice' does not sound too bad. Calling it 'pro-I-want-to-abort-a-living-fetus' does not sound so good. What we got here is a failure to communicate. Some people you just can't reach...
And then there is "christian" ken jones of Dove World Outreach showing his "christian" love by burning the Qoran to show true christian love and how everyone ought to bow to one persons religion. I thought this country was founded in part on freedom of religion, but why do christians have to make fools of themselves by the actions they commit.
Wisdom is a great gift from God and the majority on this post fails to understand it or what being a Christian is about. Jesus Christ will not uphold sin in any form. The lady failed to follower Jesus Christ and she seems to be following people and not the gospel. Wisdom teaches me that you’ll not be confused by the wisdom of this world because when you follower the true wisdom from above you know the difference and have the peace of God in your heart. Jesus Christ hates sin and not people just as a Christian should hate sin. Let me inform all of you sin will never enter heaven. I’ll not judge mankind but I’ll not uphold sin for a person to be my friend. You can make an excuse for sin now but when you come before the creator at the Day of Judgment, it’ll be too late for your soul. Knowledge and wisdom from a spirit specter is hard for a sinner to comprehend or have the comprehension about true wisdom or knowledge from above. We need the spirit of Christ living in our heart to understand or have the comprehension.
reminds me of a saying, "I have no problem with god, its his fanclub I cant stand"
There are many religeons with different names that have God and Christ as the focal point. However, the fact that we have different religeons and everyone that clings to a specific religeon beleives that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. I cannot see a devine creator singling out a specific group of people among his own creations to be more right or just than the others. The fact that we have so many different religeons is not of design by a creator. Religeons and their fanatics are the product of a specific ideal and beleif that they have figured out God and know exactly what he wants from them. The bible is not the end-all be-all of human existence. It is a simple tool that God gave his followers in order for us to do what he wants us to do. Thats all folks. He is in control whether you believe in him or not. I dont put much stock in religeon because it is MAN MADE!!! The spitirtual relationship that you have with your creator is something completely different.
To be a Christian is to follow Christ. If your disagree with His word then you need to chose – be transformed by or reject His Truth. For those who claim to be former Christians or to being an Atheists, here is the simple truth: you hate Him because He is holy and you are not – that is why you hate Him – you fail to understand the reality of grace – it is not about you, it is about Him. He offers you life or death – choose this day – only the way of the cross leads home. The only real question is: Is it true? To disbelieve is to believe the lie. He is holy and you hate Him for it.
You can't hate someone that doesn't exist. And you're rather presumptuous into thinking that atheists hate the idea of god YOU believe in. There are a lot of alleged gods that you don't believe in. By your own logic, you must hate those gods.
Haha, you guys believe in invisible sky wizards. LOL.
Sky wizards? I WISH religion was so cool.
Sadly, it's amazingly boring considering it's all made up.
I would suggest that you check out Anne Rice's website to read what she really said. She has written some incredible fictional books about the life of Christ. The books reveal her deep love of Christ and attention to research which she is well known for.
"fictional" books about the life of Christ... isn't that a little redundant?
I like cupcakes.
I've met and know several Jews and atheists who are better "Christians" than so-called "good Christians." When somebody says "I am/we are good Christians" get a crucifix and some garlic and run away. "Good Christian" is code for intolerant, ignorant bigot.
I find it interesting that the very ppl saying Christians are hypocrites and judgemental ppl are doing the very thing they have accused christians of doing. I am a proud Christian. Never will I deny my faith. But the moment I declare that I am a christian, all the anti-christians of the world are ready to persecute me and accuse me of being judgmental. Since when does being a Christian mean that I am perfect? Now I say to myself, who in actuality are the real hypocrites?
I think this women has no Idea what being a true Christian means.Being a Christian means being Christ like, Not following man made doctrines. There are things in the word of GOD that tells us that God is against. Do I think God is anti GAY YES I DO. But that does not mean he does not love the gay person, because Jesus is a God of love.
There are standards in any thing we do are how we live, But we do not stop living beause we do not agree with having to do one of those Standards. Do people stop going to work becuase they have to be there at a certain time. NO
I do not know what type of church she belonged to, But not sure how you stop going to church, When the word tells us not to forsake the Assembling of your selves together. It does not matter where you like what the Pastors message you go because Gods word tells you to.And You want to please him and be around people of like faith
Besides how does she consider her self a Christian when she can not love her fellow Christains. When You love Jesus by loving others.. Thats all i have to say about that
Everyone has a different experience I guess. I grew up in an evangelical fundamentalist Christian faith in rural Mississippi. It was so ultra conservative and Bible-literal that we condemned most of nominal American Christianity as being deceived by Satan. Of course we were "right" beyond the shadow of a doubt because in that type of belief structure all you have to do is say that "thus saith the Lord according to the Word" and it's sealed. Anyway – I went from 25 years of living a pessimistic, depressed existence driven by dogma, rules, hell-fire sermons and authoritarian church discipline to a world of optimistic, atheism that has allowed me to exercise a joyous freedom of living and a moral code that far transcends Christian constraints that so often seem to allow immorality under the guise of Biblical morality.
Nice. Glad you came around like so many of us.
Too many Christians... too few lions
Now even I have to admit that was funny. ...heh heh... too few lions...(chuckles into his mighty hands)
She should have just started attending a progressive Christian church. No, she has to be a drama queen and label the the entre religion as unenlightened. She's a flake and she is probably just sore that all her Christian books did not sell like her Vampre books did.
Her books were better when she was an atheist.
Well... I can't win em all... sigh. (leans in close) listen... don't tell any of these guys (hooks his thumb back over his shoulder at some very senior looking angels) but I agree with you. She did write better when she was an atheist. Maybe we'll get lucky and we'll start getting some good Ann Rice stories again. (looks over his shoulder at the angels again) but I'm afraid she may announce she's turning into a Buddhist or something. That's usually how these things turn out. First she has to get everyone's attention, then it's the big announcement in a few days, followed by some media deal. (indicates the angels again) those guys have it planned out nine ways to Sunday. Believe me.
err... I mean 'Believe IN me" sorry.
LaDiiva - see the explanation right ahead of you (Les6). Maybe now you can understand.
les6 - THANK YOU. A perfect answer.
Ms. Rice's move away from conservative Christianity is completely understandable. It breaks my heart to see what this organization has done to the name of Jesus Christ. They may be winning a political war, but they are losing the war of winning souls for Christ. Too often they are willing to put politics ahead of their faith; too often they have walked away from their teaching to support a fellow political figure. This is all so sad, and our country is paying for it.
Right on. It's sad to see that people try to co-opt Christianity for political and personal gain. To those that understand the church is the place where sinners are welcome, it comes as no surprise that a few find positions of leadership. Fallible and human, even church leaders lose their way. Sadly, when that happens, Christians that rely on the teaching of people, and have not yet learned to follow Christ, lose their way as well. We should pray for our church leaders, and those that place their trust in them, that all of them will find their way to Christ, the bible, and truth.
Thank you Anne. You said it beautifully.
Thank you Jesus!!
there is no god, there was no christ. this is all bull.
Amen!
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
there is none who does good.
Watch it, or I will smite thee (strikes a theatrical Zeus-throwing-the-thunderbolt pose)
Just kidding. You know I love all you pooches. (pats dog on the head and gives him a biscuit)
Did you know your ancestors were actually wolves? The blueprints say you're technically 'a wolf'.
I marvel how man's clever domestication techniques made
all you different varietys of mutant wolves, aka 'dogs'
But, we all know I had a hand in it somewhere.... and we all know how many times we've heard the
'god spelled backwards is dog' thing.
So I'll apply a variation of that now: I believe in you, poochy.
The word of God says that if somebody claims to know and love the Lord Jesus, but doesn't love his brother (ie., "followers" or other Christians), his claim is false. He doesn't really know or love God at all, but is self-deceived and hasn't truly repented or been born again yet.
Rob, does your message apply equally to the many self-described Christians here who preach "good riddance" to Anne Rice?
It would seem self-evident to me that the Christian message you relay–loving one's brothers and sisters–doesn't equate to placing perfect stock and value in all facets of human society, even Christian society. I'd wager that there are forms of Christian churches, sects, sermons and practices you'd reject, yourself, as false or misguided.
Anne Rice has done just that. You have no justification for declaring that she's "rejected love," simply because she's disillusioned with the church community. She's simply gone in search of new friends.
Mikel, you seem to have a mistaken view that Christians are supposed to be perfect. In fact, the entry point to Christianity is reaching a point of surrender when we come to understand that we are not perfect, far from perfect, and lost. So if you should hear a Christian something that doesn't sound Christian, next time just remember that the only difference between you and the Christian is he/she is at least trying to get better.
Regardless, of how we all feel anout her belif in Chris,t only Ann can answer for herself which she has done. Whether we create Christ in our own image or not the biblical record has stood for 2,000 years. It's our choice to accept it or not. It appears she accepts the record but not modernity's interpretation and implimentation. I agree with her on being forced to chose sides on any issue because of my personal belief that someone else difines diffently. Most of these comments demonstrate that there are many of us who believe in Christ but not todays christian church or it's message.
I knew she was too bright to stick with the bigots much longer. Bravo baby.
The reason "anti-Christians" attack you is because the socially conservative Christian majority in the United States is what's holding back social and intellectual progress. Not too long ago, it was legal to require the teaching of the pseudoscience creationism in place of the entirely accepted, virtually proven modern evolutionary synthesis. This is example is only one of the many that the stems from the suppression of intellect.
@ /CHRISEZ
Lol and then u wonder why ppl are bigots to christians... The truth is that we are all sinners and none of us are perfect. But by God's grace are we forgiven. This does not mean that I will be perfect. The world however will always remind u of your imperfections...Lol that is what I call hypocrites... And I know manmany non-believers like that too. Lol
In my humble opinion, the Bible is two things.
1) The outline or description of your inheritence, and how to keep it.
2) Chronos
If she means she left a Christian church but still maintains her belief in God and Christ,many of us have done the same thing.
So why the big deal? I just stopped going to church,did not feel it was a big deal. It was between God and myself,not me and the public.
Does she have a political agenda perhaps? She felt it necessary to mention some really political things. If this is her purpose,then she is as guilty as the peoople she is critcizing.
Hold the phone, Maggie. All Anne Rice has done is make a FACEBOOK posting about her personal changes in direction. She hasn't introduced legislation to destroy the church.
Amen!
As Oprah once said, I don't think Christ came to earth to start Christianity the religion and I agree. I applaud her ability to stand up against those who seems to me to be hypocrites and judgmental in their faith when Christ's message was supposed to be about love.
I was about to be upset...until I read the article. I really hope Anne Rice is serious about her feelings (loving Jesus but disliking the hypocrisy she claims to see in His followers). If she is, I believe that she is doing exactly what Jesus would have done. In that case, we all need to learn a bit from Anne Rice's example.
Hmmmmm...........try the Catholic church.
i also quit christianity but i still follow christ.i believe in god more than those church goers.without my faith i will be lost.kindness is what matters.
Thank you Ann. Any catalyst for looking inward is valuable.
Even if it is just another vehicle for shameless self promotion.
Cheers.
Does anyboby really care what faith Anne Rice follows. She writes author – She writes fiction. Save your own soul first worry about Anne's beliefs second!
It has long seem to me that Christians could be divided into two more or less discrete groups: 1) those who adhere to the theology of the apostle Paul, and 2) those in a much smaller group who follow the teachings of Jesus.
Revised...
@ CHRISEZ
Lol and then u wonder why ppl are bigots to christians... The truth is that we are all sinners and none of us are perfect. But by God's grace we are forgiven. This does not mean that I will be perfect. The world however will always remind u of your imperfections...Lol that is what I call hypocrites... And I know many non-believers like that too. Lol so the irony of it all will always fall on deaf ears to those who are non-christian.
The hypocrisy I am referring to is those who are more concerned with the actions and not a personal relationship with Christ. I fully admit I have a long way to go with this on myself, but as someone who was raised in the deep south it seemed typically seemed to me that "appearing" to be Christians by going to church and doing things like not cussing was far more important than loving your neighbor as yourself. Obviously not all Christians behave that way, but as someone who has felt judged and deeply wounded by the church because I wasn't perfect left me with alot of unjust guilt and a warped view on what Christianity was actually supposed to be about. But I also do believe we are all hypocrites to some degree, Christians and non Christians. But I don't think that even Christ himself would have a problem with many of the groups that call themselves Christians today simply for the fact that we are trying to do it all on our own, by works, and not really relying on him. Since we are all sinners, in that we will always fail.
Read Lost Symbol...
Good for you Ann! It is so hard to make this kind of stand! Religion wants us to live in fear of punishment and death. Fear is a control mechanism. Granted fear of something is needed since most humans still behave very badly. Until we reach a point in our evolution that we can all respect each other and live in peace then a fear of consequences for bad behavior is needed. Jesus was a great teacher and we should all live by is words and actions. Those who truly understand know what he was and his importance.
Just another person who wants publicity!!!
The lady made a post to her FACEBOOK page, is all. Grow up.
Rice is a buffoon.
No: a buffoon is one who posts in four words or less and still manages to call names...
Good for her. Such courage and wisdom are not very common. It is always funny how the the most devout christians are the ones to support bombing countries and killing thousands of civilians, to support torture, against any welfare for the poor, against the healthcare plan that would help the poor. Yeah, that's what Jesus would do.
I worked in an all female, radical feminist organization. I thought I was a feminist, until I realized they are some of the most hypocritical, judgemental people I have ever come across. Talk about militant...if you don't believe everything they are selling, then they have no use for you.
Daisy: you've made, of course, the salient point of the day without knowing it. Whether the ideology is feminism, liberalism, conservativism, environmentalism or Christianity, it's a belief system subject to all sorts of application. While you, yourself, find value in the underlying principles and goals of feminism (for example), you found many of the movement's leaders distasteful, difficult, self-serving and hostile.
Anne Rice has simply done the same. She's found truth and inspiration in Christian ideology, but has found the community of the church disappointing. She plans to strike out a bit and find new friends, all in service to her faith. Isn't that a good and valid thing?
Both of you make good points. Whenever you have a group of people, you have a group of hypocrites. It's the human condition. The very nature of people is that we do what we ought not do. All the time. Over and over. It's fine to walk away from hypocrites because you no longer like that batch of hypocrites and what they believe. When you move on, you'll find another batch of hypocrites. When you come to the point of realizing that people don't have the answers, you're getting closer to knowing that people don't have the answers.
I knew the exact point I was trying to make. What irritates me is those to the left think they are so open minded but in reality, they aren't any different than the religious right.
It sounds like you have had your eyes on man and not Jesus. You see, the Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He NEVER changes. Keep your eyes on Him and His word. Don't give up. Many people are praying for you and no matter what you do, Jesus will always love you and you can not stop that. Keep the faith sister....
Thomas, Anne Rice agrees with you. She's found man disappointing, and wants to seek a closer relationship with Jesus.
More people have died violently in the name of religion than for any other reason. I think that pretty much sums it up. Just show me in the bible where it says "Hate & kill in my name" saith the lord...
More than disease and pestilence? Stop drinking the celebrity/lib Kool Aid sweets....and stop relying on anecdotal data put out by Bill Maher!
I'm no Bible scholar, but didn't God command the Jews to ruthlessly kill the non-believers a bunch of times in the old testament in his name? Didn't the Moabites get their butts kicked a few times? How about when God let Joshua unleash a can of wupass when they took the promised land? Weren't they waist deep in blood and guts as God commanded them?
Marie, you're so totally correct. So many people have killed other people in the name of religion. People have also killed other people in the name of democracy, socialism, and "today I woke up in a bad mood." The point is that people behave like people. We all do what we ought not do, Christian or otherwise. That doesn't mean Christianity is wrong – it means that people have sinned. Becoming Christian does not somehow cause sudden transformation to become pure and holy. The number of people that have been "converted" or otherwise forced into "Christianity" often have not even had the benefit of finding and accepting Christ – which is the whole point. So is it any wonder that a bunch of sinners could get together and go out killing and say they did it for Christ? Absolutely. Welcome to the world. There are people in it, and as long as people are in charge, there will be killing for all kinds of stupid reasons.
My husband and I often say we don't want to be associated with what most people consider Christians. Fortunately, the church I'm a part of teaches that God loves ALL of us. I'm sorry she couldn't find such a place. They are getting harder and harder to find.
Sounds like she is just a politically/culturally liberal christian (which is not at all uncommon). I know she was catholic, so maybe she is leaving their tradition. I hope this doesn't derail her Christ the Lord series, which I have thoroughly enjoyed so far.
Anne Rice is a luney tune. Always has been. Always will be.
Agreed.
Christ, I'm told, was also fond of calling others "luney tunes" if he felt they needed guidance.
God DOES NOT care if you are white,black,yellow, red,gay, tall, short,fat...ALL God cares about, is that you follow TEN simple rules.As I tell my wife when I see it or hear it on TV, when a sports player says "first I must think God for this goal/win/homerun/knockout/etc etc ...God DOES NOT CARE if a team wins the game, loses the game or even if they play the game all God cares about is that you have him in his heart, you attempt to follow his rules, and ive the same love his Son gave to the world.
The churces (ALL OF THEM) have taken what used to be a simple faith, and have turned it into not only a business, but a DO AS WE SAY, not as WE DO, way of life. The church has ALWAYS used peoples faith, to manipulate them to do what the church needs, not what the believer needs.
No need to go to church to find God, because if you get right down to it, YOU are God, you have him in you, he is around you, he is always with you.
Nice to know you have a direct line to god lol
I'm curious why she follows Christ. Why doesn't she follow Muhammad, who is allegedly a more recent prophet of the same god? Throughout human history, there have been thousands of alleged gods. How does she know she's worshiping the right one, or if any of them are real? Does she believe Hindus worship fake gods? Jesus himself gave advice on beating slaves. In following Christ, does Anne Rice support slavery?
Christians do get things wrong sometimes–we are all humans, not perfect beings. But please don't lump everyone into being "anti" everything!
Well its a step in the right direction because the Catholic Church is a joke..,now the next step is for her to admit there is no God and if there was a dude named Jesus he wasnt the so of any god.. wake up people.
Mike ... Jesus is NOT the Catholic Church. In fact, He talked against it. ("Don't repeat the same prayers over and over like the heathen" and "Don't call any man down here Father because only God in heaven is your Father") And I'm sorry that you've never met Jesus but you can't say that He doesn't exist just because you haven't. Many Christians can attest to His existence, and not just from hearsay.
You know Mike, I once believed as you do. At a certain point in my life, finding that I didn't have the answers and that nobody else I knew did, I took a chance. I thought, "what if I'm wrong, and there is something about this guy, Christ, that I should know? Before I go on further, wouldn't it make sense to at least learn about it? I haven't even been open to the idea my whole life. How could I possibly know?" So I researched. What I found changed my life. I suggest researching one thing that cannot be refuted, and see if you can explain why it's true. How is it that the Bible has been, since its creation, the #1 selling book in every language, every year? How is it that the story of Jesus Christ was written down and spread throughout the world faster than any other story ever, by far, and shows no sign of slowing down? What is special about this story? Just an idea. I decided that I had to quit being a hypocrite that claimed knowledge that Christ did not exist. Isn't it hypocritical to claim knowledge of something you have never studied? Blessings to you.
I did not realize a person could not be a Democrat and a church-going Christian at the same time. I deeply resent how she throws all Christians (other than herself, of course) under the bus. I do not currently attend church, but I don't disparage the people who do. She is self-centered and not at all like Christ.
Jesus, peace be upon him, never claimed to be God or literally the son of God as Christians claim. Jesus never called what he was teaching 'Christianity'. That was a word invented long after he died. In fact, his early followers were called 'Nazarenes'.
1st commandment is "GOD IS ONE". So why more followers of Jesus don't practice this is beyond me.
The purest form of monotheism practiced today is the Islamic faith.
Whatever prejudices you may have agaist Islam amd Muslims, you cannot disagree that Islam is uncompromising when it comes to belief in ONE GOD. Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Lot, Muhammad, etc., are all considered Prophets and/or Messengers of God and nothing more.
All teh Prophets/Messengers preached the same message, i.e., belief in ONE GOD and that we are all HIS vicegerents on earth. GOD is Most Compassionate, Most Merciful, Most Gracious, etc.
Read the Holy Qur'an with an open mind and you will find The Truth.
Oh, please, where do you get this stuff from? The evil Allah who is Satan, or his possessed messenger, Mohammed?? Jesus did say He was God, He accepted worship, and I'm sorry that your brain is too small to wrap around the concept of the Trinity - ONE GOD in three personalities.There are plenty of nature forms that display this fact.
Talk about going from the frying pan to the fire....I don't think I care to read anything that instructs anyone to "kill Infidels"....thanks for playin!
Michael and Lucy,
When Jesus came as a messenger of God, he was ignored by the Jews. To understand a topic or to speak ill about it, one should have at least spent an hour reading about it...not from the American Christian sources but from the book itself called the Quran. Go and get yourself a copy of the Quran (and I suggest translation by Yusuf Ali) and read it. Quran is full of praises of Jesus and Mary. There is a whole chapter on Mary. It has scientific facts that will blow your mind. Do not judge Islam based on the actions of a handful of Muslims. Get out of the ignorance and read.
Ann Rice isn't "quitting" Christianity. She can't, because she was never there to begin with. She called herself a Christian, but she never accepted what Christianity stands for. All that is happening here is that she's finally ending the duplicity.
And neither, perhaps, have you, with so defensive, exclusive and rejectionist a perspective on your fellow man.
@ Denise
Exactly. Thank u.
ya know...sometimes I find that people who claim to believe in God but dont believe in Religion, just dont want to put in the work that it takes. It is not easy giving up your every sunday (an hour or so) to go to church....I guess when something stops being convienent, people stop believing.....then try to rationalize their decision and give you reasons as to why they dont go to church anymore.....the only one you owe your explainations to is God....so truly if that is how you feel, then why the press release? You got a new book coming out soon? Last one not do so hot? People prefer Harry Potter?
It all depends on what church you belong to. The church we attend has its hypocrites, sure, but we'll take them, as sinners, just like we'll take "anybody" because we are all sinners and in need of God's grace. The best place to plant yourself, as a Christ follower, is where you're needed the most. She's missing an opportunity to help change the things she's offended by in "the church" ... she's abandoning the people who probably need her the most, the ones who present the biggest challenge to her. That's unfortunate. I wish she could come to Iowa and come to church with me and my crazy blended family.
Your voice should be heard - Christianity needs to advocate for justice and equality and compassion. There needs to be increased awareness that God and science are not opposed, that God's love is for all people and that God loves us as we are, whatever that may be. Church is wonderful...the only problem is that there are people there! : ) It is very difficult to live in community, even on occasion, even once or twice a week especially when we all think and behave so differently. There is, however, something sacred about gathering. The church is alive throughout the whole world - you have much ground to cover (e.g., have lunch with Jim Wallis of Sojourners magazine). Keep caring, keep voting, keep looking without and within...never quit...amen.
Jesus was neither a Christian nor a Jew, but a Man of God like Noah, and Abraham, David, and Solomon, Moses, Elijah and Muhammed and everyone else who does as Anne did by choosing to walk away from the trappings of hypocricy and Turn to God.
It's sad that someone who's apparently so intelligent could be so dumb. If still believes in Christ, she would be a Christian. There's no way around that. However, I agree...If she wants to distance herself from the "mainstream" men and women who do evil and try to use the church to give themselves legitimacy, MORE POWER TO HER!
I am sorry some of those here, those in Christianity and out, are often harsh in their words to each other. It is ok for a Christian and a believing atheist to think the other is wrong, to offer personal proof and experience, but not helpful to hate. I don't know which group- atheists or Christians- is more judgemental of people who choose to live a religious life and fall short. There are many religious who are quietly living a peaceful life, as well as agnostic, atheist. I like the quote above:
"The only thing worse that a smugly self-righteous christian is a smugly self-satisfied atheist." We all have a lot to learn from each other, and could be a lot kinder in our listening.
To counteract Ann's quote, I don't think being atheist, or just upset with religious folks means you are necessarily anti-Christian, anti-homemakers, anti-any political group, or anti-monagomous. Not saying Ann is any of these, but that is similar how she is describing Christians, making generalizations from some extreme groups.
I personally am a Christian, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But I do not fit the stereotype of those who are disgusted with or condemn religious people. I feel empowered and supported in my dreams and goals as a woman. I have a Biology degree and think Evolution is very plausible. I am loving towards those who have different lifestyles than a monogamous one, although I have strong convictions on the issue. I am not a Republican, but not a Democrat.
Choice, respect, and love are key. I think, from personal spiritual experience and learning, we are brothers and sisters of an actual Heavenly Father. We like kids quarrel, we mess up. a lot. I think He tried to give us His Church and gospel in Jesus Christ's teachings, and we disregarded it, so we need further direction today. I have my freedom to choose to listen to our Father or not, and to be kind and patient to this earthly family or not. I think that after we die we will all live again, believer and nonbeliever, and will have different states of existence as chosen in this part of our journey.
From reading the news, it would be clear that if there is a god in heaven, he doesn't angrily force people to listen to him. I hope that the readers here, as well as the author, find peace in patiently loving and diligently following one's convictions.
Thanks for reading all of this.
Thanks for writing it, Andy.
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
Yes, she was, and is still. I firmly believe that Jesus finds your exclusive, unwelcoming and rejectionist perspective on a fellow being offensive.
Read the scripture that I posted. The BIBLE says that, not me.
The problem here is that she isn't affliating with a genuine Independant, Fundamental, Bible believing Church. She was involved with a religion. If she is genuinely a believer in Jesus she will be affiliated with a Church. Jesus died for the Church. We are called to assemble ourselves and worship Him. Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
How do you get off defining church so narrowly?
What makes you so certain God won't smile on her new form of worship? Perhaps she'll simply gather with a few friends, sit in the backyard, and discuss God, the Bible, and life in that way. Perhaps she'll migrate from small group to small group, discussing and sharing ideas along the way.
Why so self-righteous in your own view?
First. It’s not about me at all. It’s about what does the Bible say? We are called to preach the Gospel. The Bible says in Luke 14:23 “And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.” That my HOUSE may be FILLED.
Proverbs 14:12 “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”
I think what happens is all too often, and in the case of Ms. Rice, we look at the people instead of the one we should be looking at, which is Jesus. If someone leaves a Church because of the people, they were there for the wrong reasons. We aren’t called to follow Church members, we are called to follow Christ. You go to Church to hear God’s Word being preached. To be edified; to grow; to worship. We are all hypocrites. That’s why Jesus had to come and die for our sins. Because all of our hearts are desperately wicked. So to sit around and talk so negatively about Christians is futile because we KNOW we are hypocrites, that’s one more reason why we go to Church…the hospital, if you will, for hypocrites.
We'll just tell God to take the week off since you are obviously able to do his job for him and decide just from a few paragraphs written by someone else about her life as to whether or not this person is a Christian or not. Just because you find a verse and like the way it sounds without proper research and fully understanding it's indented meaning does not make it true, that's called taking scripture out of context...
You are coming down on me for saying she wasn't a Christian, yet you yourself are judging me.
Scripture is taken out of context all too often. That is the very reason we go to Church. So that the Word of God may be expounded upon. Hence the word edify.
It amazes me that folks argue with scripture.
Jesus came for one reason and that was to die. He had to die for me because he knew that although I try to live a morally good life (by loving others around me, taking opportunity to be helpful, giving of myself and my money and working hard to be the person he would have me to be), that I could still not prevent my sinful nature. The biggest problem with Christians and non-Christians is that we believe that we are good. We are not. I thank Jesus for taking care of my sin for me.
AMEN! And nobody else has paid the price for our sin, nor rose from the dead to show us the way of eternal life ... NOT Mohammed, not Abraham, not Buddha, not Ghandi ............... Only Jesus!
MATTHEW 13:18 – 24
Excellent decision Ann. This is the 21st. Century and enough is enough with the intolerance and hate.
The 21st Century is an exciting time because we are living in the last days. Intolerance and hate, you say? Or are you just rebellious to not want to repent of sin?? "Broad is the way that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to life."
So, I guess the people she wants to embrace now are the "true" loving people? There are no hypocrite atheists or non believers? I guess the feminists who feel it is ok to end the life of a child in the womb have something over Christians? They are more tolerable to be around? That those who have no need for traditional values for upbringing children are the people who truly are superior? We are called as followers of Christ to love all men. Christians and non Christians. If one thinks that by leaving Christians behind they will be a more "pure" follower of Christ, they are mistaken. This world hates those who want to follow Christ. They hate His name and His followers. Yes, believers aren't perfect, and I have been hurt by them. BUT, in that...I learned who I am really to follow, Jesus Christ alone. We are all growing in our relationship with Him. Thank God for Christians. In my 27 year journey to know Christ deeper, they have been my encouragement, my spiritual sharpener, my prayer partners, my friends.
some of the comments here about Christians are nothing but generalizations and simply not true. we're not all hypocrites and finger-pointers.
Pity she didn't learn her religion before she began judging it.
so, like many beleivers, Rice doesn't know what an atheist is.
atheists are not beleivers in christ who don't belong to a church.
atheists do not accept any claim for any deity as being real because there's no evidence.
http://ntrygg.wordpress.com
I fully agreed with her until the last paragraph… too bad she didn’t entirely come to her senses.
Will you people grow up already and accept the fact that we're just another species living on a planet with thousands of other species? Also, stop fearing death and just accept that it will happen. We need to drop religion for the sake of our future. Religion has killed enough people.
And Christ has saved millions of people with eternal life. I'm not afraid of death because Jesus showed me that there is life afterwards. This earthly life is dust in the wind but eternity, well, will last forever!
I can totally understand. Faith in Christ is not a prerequisite for certain political views. I have seen those who have hated me and my church and claimed I am not a "Christian" simply because I do not think exactly how they think. Christ would not support such hate or "classes" that disparage individuals are groups that do not fall in line with their particular political or specific religious views. I call myself a Christian, because I believe in Christ; however, what is sometimes labeled as "Christian" is far from the love and hope Christ taught.
Christ was and still simple "God" and his 12 deciples were simple people, none of them was catholic and orthodex ....etc. Now there are hundreds of dominations and teaching, all these are human addition which he will judge us for these additions. I am a coptic christian, our church is a traditional church, never added or change any teachings of christ for 2000 year. Jeuse said I am the only way to the kingdom of God and his way is full of suffering. Our relationship with God is like a test, if you dont study hard you would't pass it. She siad in her first statment "I can not be anti gay, anti.....etc. and his immediate followers were very clear in their message, why we have to modify the message to accomdate our way of life?
She can not take part and leave the other and that is what happend through the centuries; add or delet and make your own church to accomdate people's lif styl. I am woundering what will happen 1000 year from now!!!!!!!!!
Right on Anne....I made the same decision many years ago. It is hearbreaking to know that now for thousands of years all of the war, greed, discrimination and untold injustice and suffering instilled upon mankind is the product of organized religion...whether that be Christianity, Judaism, Muslim and those humans that quide the teachings and dogmas of those religions.
Feed my children that have no food.
She's dead wrong about Christianity being anti-science, as every piece of scientific research has actually supported the Bible. Also dead wrong about being anti-feminist - males and females are the same, just with different functions (Duh!) And she just doesn't get that Christians love the sinners but hate the sin. Being gay IS a sin, along with much of what each of us do every day. That's why we need a Savior.
Lucy, please keep up.
Anne didn't accuse the Bible of being anti-science or anti-feminist; she accused the contemporary Christian community of being those things.
Jesus had criticism for only one segment of society, the "brood of vipers", the religious...outwardly one thing, inwardly another thing. Anne Rice has seen what Christ saw. How she reacts is her business. Buildings and doctrine is not Christianity, the love of Christ is the foundation, what we build upon it is also our own business.
"I am a happy atheist and all those hostile, divisive Christians could go to hell..."
Hostility and divisiveness, anyone?
Richard-Missouri says: "Wow! Anne Rice is truly 'Queen of the Damned'!"
That's exactly what she is talking about in this article!! Anyone who says something like that-I would question their relationship with the Lord. Here Anne is, one for whom Christ died ... she says she puts her trust in Him ...and you're gonna take it upon YOURSELF to pass down judgement about where she will spend eternity?!?!? "Even Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'" Yet, you're going to pass judgement on a fellow beleiver? It makes no sense. Jesus said "Many will say to me 'did we not do this and that in your name?' and I will say go away from me you evildoers, I never knew you!!!" (paraphrased)
THE ANGLE WAS GABRIAL OR JABRIL YOU IDIOT.
JESUS WORSHIP THE CREATOR AND SAID HE WAS ONLY A MESSENGER DO NOT WORSHIP ME. BY HIM BEING THE WAY MEANS PRACTICE WHAT HE PRACTICE AND YOU WILL BE RIGHTLY GUIDED. WHICH MEANS WORSHIP GOD ALONE WITHOUT PARTNERS, MEANING NO SON, NO DAUGHTER, NO WIVES ETC.
THE ANGLE WAS GABRIAL OR JABRIL YOU IDIOT.
JESUS WORSHIPED THE CREATOR AND SAID HE WAS ONLY A MESSENGER DO NOT WORSHIP ME. BY HIM BEING THE WAY MEANS PRACTICE WHAT HE PRACTICE AND YOU WILL BE RIGHTLY GUIDED. WHICH MEANS WORSHIP GOD ALONE WITHOUT PARTNERS, MEANING NO SON, NO DAUGHTER, NO WIVES ETC.
@Jango Davis: Hey OLY, Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was JEW. He had no interest in setting up a separate religon from Judism. Might want to try reading that bible sometime bub.
Yes, Jesus was born a Jew. What is the basis for your assertion that He "had no interest in setting up a separate religion from Judism (sic)."? Consider Matthew 16:18: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church." What church is Jesus building? Not Judaism - it was already established. Jesus is clearly establishing a new Church here.
Anne, if you keep your eye on people, traditions, icons and rituals, you're going to be disappointed. I'd encourage you to continue to seek the answers from the Word. It's living, powerful, sharp and knows your heart and thoughts. Keep your eye on Jesus. He's the author and finisher of our faith. Seek His truth through His life.
You also need people in your life who will be there to encourage you and for you to encourage them. Accountability is very important and it's the framework for Christian growth. I will lift you in prayer. God bless you!
Well, all I can say is this: Obviously she is not a TRUE Christian, so that's fine if she wants to leave Christianity. I hope she enjoys eternal damnation!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Just kidding! Christians are stupid! Thank goodness she can think for herself and use her rational mind now.
pretty funny
@matt – i agree 100%
I've heard it said" the purpose of religion is to make the world a little less sad." When it ceases to do that or adds to the world's sadness it can't be valid.
I was excited when I first read the headline,
only to be disappointed when I read the article.
I was hoping she had finally come to her senses
and realized how evil ALL religions really are, along with
money, governments, and all the other power hungry
cravings of humanity!
I think it's funny that liberals here agree with Anne leaving the Catholic church, yet they hate Ayaan Hirsi Ali (female author) who renounced Islam. In the case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she suffered genital mutilation in the name of her father's religion. The liberals hate her and her assessment of Islam.
Liberals hate Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Funny. I'm a liberal and I had no idea I was supposed to hate this woman.
I'm a liberal. Don't pain with too broad a brush.
I'm liberal and a fan of her.
I'm a liberal too and love what she is doing for girls subjected to FGM. I have no problem with her renouncing Islam either since I believe choice of religion (or of none, for the athiests out there) is everyones right. Lola, it seems you want to make this a political argument instead of a spritual one. I'll bite and say, too bad you are wrong about liberals. Fortunately there are enough of us working for your civil liberties that you still have the right to spew out falicies as much as you like.
ANOTHER IDIOT.....ISLAM IS AGAINST THIS PRACTICE. IT IS NOT THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM. THAT IS A PRACTICE OF CULTURE. YOU WILL FIND SOME AFRICAN CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SAME TYPE OF GENITAL MUTILATIONS. THIS IS ALSO A CULTURAL PRACTICE NOT A BELIEF
Finally!! Someone who has put into words what I have thought and felt for a long time! I saw this once on a bumber sticker " I love Jesus, its his fan club that I cant' stand". I too refuse to be anti gay, anti feminist, anti democrat and anti science. I'm sick of supposed followers of Christ who claim to love all, then turn around and bash people who don't believe exactly what they believe. The key word being "believe".
@ cornkits
"I am a happy atheist and all those hostile, divisive Christians could go to hell..."
And now who is the one who is being hostile.. Don't choke on your own hypocrisy...lol
Christians are not the only ones that are hypocrites. No one can escape that all the time. You don't have to prove to anyone, other that God, that you are Christian. At least Christians aren't strapping bombs onto their followers and sending them into the streets & markets.
I quit eating egg salad sandwiches.
FINALLY! Someone who understands what this is all about! You GO Fred. You da man!
I completely understand what she's saying. She's rejecting organized religion, not Christ. I am proudly democratic, scientific, equal-rights defending, and CHRISTIAN. The rabid right does not speak for me. And they don't speak for God.
John Chapter 6, verses..
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
I agree with Simon Peter...I'm staying, and I will pray for Ann.
I completely relate to how she feels. I was born and raised a Catholic (pre and post Vatican II) but I haven't set one foot inside a CC in over 5 years now. By choice. Yes I'm liberal, a Democrat. Conservatives ask me – oh you're pro-abortion. I am just stunned when they make this statement! Who in the world is pro-abortion I ask? I am pro-choice! I firmly believe I don't have the right to tell others how they should vote, which religion they should join, whom they should marry (yes I'm pro-gay rights), if they should obtain an abortion or not.
Everyone is so consumed with telling others how to live their lives right now, that they forget to live their own with honesty, respect for others, humility, kindness, decent human nature, etc.
Anne sounds comfortable having others follow HER, buying her books and all that, but she seems irritated following anyone else. I DO understand her contempt for superficial (and super-financial) religion though.
She should leave it altogether and accept science, logic and reason instead of 2000 year old myths and superstious nonsense.
I was not teaching politics or religion (the religous leaders killed me). I was teaching love, kindness and compassion. Please try to be nicer to each other.
Don't enter the tunnel, don;t follow the bright light!!
Is that you mom??
attaboy.
I can't believe your pretending to be me!
You imposter!
Dear Anne Rice.
Many of the posts I've read here reflect the truth in some way or another – many do not. You will not be leaving Christianity. At least not the Theology of Christianity. You will be leaving the Theocracy of Christianity and the short-lived religion with their name-plate on Christianity. As is said, "Man's faith is justified by faith alone. Faith is the true Shibboleth." Keep your faith. Hold it dear to your breast. Or wear it like a badge of honor and shield. It makes no difference. You have accepted into your heart, the belief in God, in Christ and the hope of life everlasting. You will never leave those behind on your journey through life.
Be well.
Kind of hard to be as intellectual as Rice and be Christian a
You're an idiot. You probably think Sean Penn is an intellectual.
Well said Anne. Reminds me of Ghandi when he was asked what he thought of Christianity. He replied:
"“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
VERY POWERFUL STATEMENT HE MADE....DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE MEANT. HE MEANT THAT CHRISTIANS DONT FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS. THEY PRACTICE EVERY THING HE OPPOSED 1 HE SAID DO NOT WORSHIP ME... THEY DO.. 2 WORSHIP MY LORD AND YOUR LORD(THE CREATOR) THEY DONT. 3. YOU TELL ME WHEN JESUS EVER ATE PPPPOOOOORRRRKKKK.. OMG
Yet another opportunity for popular culture + media to bash Christianity as a false religion.
CNN + relativist followers are all too happy to oblige. Bravo!
I've wondered if Jesus wasn't just the Albert Einstien of his day and saw that the greatest thing he could do for a world so divided by religions that you could be killed for your beliefs, was to introduce a new morality that would trump religious leaders that made people slaves in the name of a percieved diety.
He did claim to be the son of god, but also proclaimed EVERYONE who walked the earth were children of god. I do not know of any place in the bible (a book that is basically a 150-2000 year game of "telephone") where he claimed he was any more important than any of his "siblings". His message boiled down to "What goes around comes around, and, "if everyone treated each other the way they would like to be treated all problems would disappear". He didn't say Gays, non-believers and liberals should be cast out. He said the opposite. Forgive all.
What's REALLY HILARIOUS is I bet you cannot name ONE SINGLE PERSON in the HISTORY OF MANKIND that would have been considered a BIGGER LIBERAL relative to the what would have been considered "liberal" in thier day, than JESUS. Ultimately, he was killed because he was REALLY GOOD and making others LIBERAL like himself. He is to Liberalism what Ron Hubbard was to Scientoligoy.
Edmond passes to Hawk, Hawk back to Edmond shoots!!.......
JESUS SAVES!!!
I would love for someone to show me anywhere in the world where it says that being a christian means u are perfect and free from sin... Lol sit down as that will take a long time...
The church is made up of sinners without a doubt. Which is why it's here for us after all.
"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God..."
She said ""following Christ does not mean following His followers." ,,,, . I can appreciate some of what she is trying to say. Some folks do get a bit strong in their statements about others. But they do not necessarily reflect the whole church. nor it's teachings,,,Following Christ is the most important thing.
::eye-roll:: ::golf clap::
for a marginally clever stunt to garner some undeserved attention for yourself, so you can share your current enlightened POV with the rest of us. What ever will you do the next time you reach another grand realization that we should hear about?
She endorses the killing of babies and men finding "love" in other men's rectums. She's right. She's not a Christian.
Yes: true Christians will rarely pass up the opportunity to include "rectums" in a post...
I have been a Christian for a long time and nothing about it is “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat unless you TWIST it into being so. The real problem is people like her, liberals, their philosophy is quite simple: Turn everyone against the modern family, church, morals and turn society into lazy, dumbed down individuals who are dependent upon the government to live and breathe – it's a perfect system, perfect for fools.
Isn't it simpler than that, D? Isn't it simply that she, in her own pursuit of a relationship with Christ, has found her personal distaste for the Christian community a distraction? Wouldn't you support anyone's courageous quest to seek out a form of worship which suits them and best connects them to Jesus?
I think you're mistaking liberals for Jesus, D. He said so himself that he came here to divide, to set son against father, daughter against mother. Read your book before you start shooting off at the mouth about something you know nothing about.
Good for you Ann, what a smart, smart woman. I was at church a few years ago and the preacher was droning on and I thought, "you know, I just can't agree with what he is saying and he really doesn't know what he is talking about", about that time he said, "and if you don't agree with me, then THAT IS SATAN IN YOUR HEAD" and I left and haven't been back.
Anytime you focus on MAN you will be disappointed because man is a fallen creature... We need to focus on GOD instead...Christianity is a personal choice. Reading HIS word molds and shapes us, NOT other people...
"Christian" means "Christ follower" so if Anne Rice still believes in Christ she is still a Christian...
Christ was the most loving, compassionate person there ever was. As Christians we are called
to emulate him. We are NOT to hate gays, feminists, etc. Christ himself associated himself with
the outcasts as an example...I too hate some aspects of "organized" religion however, I now
attend a church led by Chip Ingram who is the most intelligent and warm teacher. He keeps telling
us that being a Christian does NOT mean you "leave your brains" at the door...
This woman is in a deparate search for something that makes her feel good and is easy to follow. Unfortunately for her, I guess, Christianity is not easy and it is not for whimps. It appears that she's let some hypocrites taint her beliefs and its too bad that she can't articulate those in a way that doesn't indict an entire group of people. There are people everywhere who subscribe to a belief but don't actually live it, Christians are no exception. But the vast majority of charity in the U.S. comes from, you guessed, it Christians. I pray she finds what she's looking for and that it is in the grace and ever-lasting life given to us by our Saviour, Jesus Christ.
dude leave out the our savior part. – cloth diapered baby jesus is your savior not ours
Bravo!
Christ is a fairy tale. She is harboring illusions and living in a dream whether or not she belongs to any church as are any humans that believe in super-natural beings.
Wow, what A CONFUSED WOMAN.
Who are you referring to as the "confused woman"? ED?
The only hope for the continued population of the planet earth is to rid the world of these foolish beliefs. Once they may have calmed the brooding beast but should have been dropped off at the stone/bronze age transition. In 2010 we have no time for the rabid stupidity that is organized religion – all of them – not just christianity – need to go! There are no burning bushes or walking on water. The pope is just a man. All the living gods are gone.
Amen!!! She is not quitting her faith just the Church! A breath of fresh air indeed.
I don't care if she starts worshiping green m&ms and bermuda grass as long as she picks back up in the Witch and Vampire series where she left off.
She should just leave the whole religion behind. It's pure madness plain and simple. She was such a good writer but with all that christian crap she's been writing.....it's sad to see talent go to waste. It's not just christians who are hypocritical, that whole book is. How can you claim to be a loving and compassionate god when you plan to send everyone who won't bow down to you into a flaming pit to suffer for eternity? Sounds more like the devil to me.
My brothers from another mother:
What Miss Rice has done is an abomination and is deserving of condemnation leading to her ultimate humilation! She should be castized, criticised, and possibly crucified! How dare she say these things against the black man? Power to my black brothers! It is time for us to .... ahh, what?....She didn't say anything about the black man? Huh? The Church. Christianity? Jesus Christ almighty, who gave me these note?!? Can't a brother get break? Umm,, yeah, so, um, down with the KKK!
When does football season start?
She's just getting old and is worried about death. We'd all rather live forever. Her initial move to join Xtianity was a bridge too far, and now that she's gotten a good taste of stupid, religious people, she's backing off a notch. She's still unwilling to give up the fantasy completely, though, so she's Christian, but not a churchgoer. Very well. It's normal to be afraid of the future, and of death.
I have always felt that was why she did it. It seems the older people get the more fearful of the reaper they become so they turn to religion because it offers some hope...false hope, but hope none the less.
Good for her as a kid I was rasied as roman cath. and forced into it but I don't go to church but I still have my own faith
and that what counts whut you beleive in your hart and not the church.
There is grest difference between the religion of Christ and the religion about Christ
While you're at it, also say goodbye to peace, exaltation and destiny. Say hello to the throng of empty "single and solitary" humanists.
And goodbye to self-satisfied posts...?
If you practice love, kindness and compassion you wll find joy. Please be nice to one another and don't forget about the hungry and homeless.
Medammit, son. The line is "don't forget about FEEDING the hungry and homeless". (mutters to himself) when is this kid gonna get it right... two thousand years already.
You aren't Jesus. You cite works. Works are good. Anyone can do works but works alone do not save you. Your first 'work' has to be internal. To borrow an evangelistic analogy- in an emergency on an airliner the oxygen masks drop down. You are instructed to put them on yourself first then attend to others. Faith without works is useless, as in Anne's case, but works without reconnecting with Christ through regular prayer and reading of scripture and corporate worship with other Christians is the Devil's playground. Such is Anne Rice. A pity. Repentance from being lost in your sins from birth and asking Christ to save you is the oxygen mask.
I don't like labeling myself as Baptist, Methodist or any other religion, each one seems to think they are the only ones that are right, and not to mention, the only ones going to Heaven...How crazy is that? The most important thing is, you have YOUR OWN relationship with God and His Son, Christ.. end of story.
The word "Christian" came into usage long after Jesus death. Jesus himself never used the word. Better to pay attention to what he actually taught, something that seems to have nothing to do with the the belief and behaviors of most modern day people who apply the word Christianiiy to themselves. I have no desire for the word to be associated with me and I doubt Jesus would be pleased with the religion that has come to be associated with his name. When one argues about who is and isn't a real Christian one is arguing about something that is not about Jesus. Even the concept of the god/man/king who dies for the sins of the people (and is reborn/resurrected/comes again) is of non Judeo Christian origins, pre-dates Jesus and was blended into the religion created after Jesus death that we know as Christianity. Jesus was a thought provoking teaching of morality. Christianity is a religion he would not recongnize as having anything to do with him.
Inagreement......you can't fight Scripture, no matter how hard you try. The Bible is 100% correct and man is 100% wrong. Man will ALWAYS lose. Christian is used in the New Testament. Try reading Acts 11:21-26....."and they were first called Christians in Antioch".
Tom, That was very funny. If humans are 100% wrong and you are a human then you are 100% wrong. Humans decided what was to be put in the Bilbe and left and they must be 100% wrong. I am well aware that the NT describes that point at which people began to be called Christains. My statement was that Jesus never used the word.
TOM YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO IN AGREEMENT. JESUS NEVER SAID ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND WOULD NOT FOLLOW CHRISTIANITY HE FOLLOWS ISLAMIC MONOTHEISM
Science flies you to the moon,
Religion flies you into a building!
Christ is a lousy god anyway. I get enough fear from polaticians I don't need someone telling me about going to hell. I hope she finds peace and a system that works for her.
"If ye love Me, keep my commandments."
John 14:15
I think she is just being a baby Christian and not yet matured. She needs to buckle up else she may lose faith completely in God
Congratulations, Ms. Rice. I understand completely, and I agree with you 100%. I left organized religion decades ago, and I am a better person and my relationship with God is much better - vibrant, growing - since I left.
Christians are the most destructive and homicidal group in world history: the Crusades, the Inquisition, Napolean's Christian armies, Hitler's Christian armies, the Czars' Christian armies – they are the greatest killers the world has ever seen. And the commandments? Is it ever OK to steal – no; is it ever OK to commit adultery -no; what about being gay – no; is it ever OK to covet – no. But is it ever OK to kill (this should be their most uncompromising tenet!) – yes, yes, and yes!
As usual, the mainstream media doesn't have a clue how to write about religion. She is NOT QUITTING CHRISTIANITY. She is quitting organized religion.
Big difference.
I'm a Christian and I go to church because it is critical according to the Bible to do so to grow in the faith.
However, some days I can understand her decision. The church is full of hypocrites. The ones that know they are and look to God to better are not the problem. It's the real snakes in the midst that are.
Shame on all of you for even discussing this online. You should be at the nearest church giving me your money.
I told Jesus Himself to say this. We all know that Jesus has no need for you money, since he already owns all of creation. I just do what I can to seduce people like "Jesus Himself" to bring the discussion down to things of this world (money), where I can prey on them. I love it when people become attached to money. That means I'm winning. So listen to "Jesus Himself." He's very smart. I taught him well.
Bost posts disgust me. "Jesus Himself" is Perfect Love, and would never say things like that. "Satan himself" is the deceiver, the one who hates us all, irrespective if you're a Christian or not. And, btw, Satan loses in the end. So, you have no power, even if you want to pretend you do.
To the "smart @$$e$" who chose the names, again...you disgust me. Grow up and behave like adults – even if it is a stretch for you.
I can empathize with Ms Rice's feelings but I don't think God is the radical individualist she imagines Him to be. Humans are social creatures and a saved person, all alone, is missing an element of his humanity. The church, God bless it, is Christ's body on earth. Family is always embarrassing but you can't get away from it. She cannot be fully Christian without the church. I'm not talking about her salvation here, but her sanctification.
@ Pete
No, u need someone to tell u about your spelling...lol
Funny since you can't seem to spell "you"
Really, I get using u in a text message where you are charged per character, but we are having a grown up conversation here.
Amen! I was brought up to believe in a loving and forgiving God. As an adult, I have only seen hate, hypocrisy, and intolerance in the Church (Catholic). I believe in Christ but also feel like an outsider.
We are not of this world.
It is a well known fact that the cloth diapered baby jesus had immaculate sh!t – it did not smell!!
Being a Christian does not mean you are free from sin...it means that you believe in the only begotten Son of The Father, namely our Lord Jesus Christ, that he was born of a virgin, preached the gospel unto the world for three years, that he was slain bearing the weight of the sins of the world for all time upon his battered and bloody frame and that he arose in absolute victory over sin and death on the third day for all time. He admonished all who believed in Him to follow Him. To be specific Jesus said in St Luke Chap 9 vs 23 ""If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me." By doing this we are striving to do the exact things that He did and live the exact way he did. Jesus loved, he cared for everyone, he healed, he cleansed, he taught all those who would listen and learn, he died for the sins of all mankind, and rose in triumphant victory as we will on that great and glorius day...oh if we would only learn that life on this earth is not about ruling parties religious or otherwise but about repenting day by day, working towards our perfection by allowing the conversion of our spirit through Gods holy spirit until that day of our great and final redemption for Paul has said that we shall not all sleep but some will in a moment in a twinkling of an eye...shall be changed...we then shall be like him and will look upon Him our Lord, and then we willl understand all having gained all for eternity....Anne Rice, everyone...I will pray for you today and everyday....that you keep your eyes on the Lord Jesus for your redemption draws nigh and our current age is indeed drawing short and will soon close...and I dont mean 2012 either but if I and many others are reading the signs of the times correctily....it wont be all that much longer indeed. Come Lord Jesus. May God the Father and our Lord and savior Jesus Christ bless and keep and open the hearts and minds of all who believe unto that faithful day of the Lord.
Thank you. You have given us a classic examlple of a psychotic christian wack-job. and no I am not afraid of being smoted
Vainly seeking ...one ...original thought in Prodigal's post...
Cathy
Why should we go to church to show our love for God and Jesus? Rarely is it mentioned that Christ went "Church" or "House of Worship" except when he was 3 and when he through out the tax collectors. Christ's church was out and about going from country to country. Our churches today are full of hypocrites, politicians and pedophiles. I quit going to church a long time ago and my walk with God is much stronger now. I don't think you have to go to church to know God, you go to church to know God through someone else's eyes. Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
@ Tom in the Great NW
I would say non-christians were the most destructive. The moment u wanted to preach the word of Christ they were ready to throw wood and fire on you...
It's hard to believe Anne or many of the posters here when you generalize and stereotype Christianity. Religion is a beautiful thing, but it needs virtuous followers to maintain it. That's not easy in this selfish culture of stereotypes and self serving. I read the comments here and it paints an ugly picture of ignorance.
No offense, Bruce, but "religion" doesn't need anything. Religion is just a word. It seems that you need religion, not vice versa.
My respect for Anne Rice just went up about a thousand points.
And Christ said unto Peter, "And you Simon BarJonah are Peter (Rock in Greek) and on this Rock I will build My Church and the gates of hell will not prevail agaisnt it. Whatever you bind on earth will be bounded on heaven and whatever you set loose on earth will be loosen in heaven" Imagine the authority that Jesus Christ Himself gave to His Church. Yes its true the Church is not entirely made of saints but sinners as well but in the entire history of mankind its only the Catholic Church that stood the test of times . Empires come and go, kingdoms come and go , inspite of trials, persecutions, martyrdoms, scandals the Catholic Church is still here for more than 2000 years and the Church will still be here for another thousand years becasue Jesus Christ founded the Church and as promised by Jesus "I will be with you until the end of time" Jesus is faithful to His promises and 100% sure He is keeping His promise on this one. This is one sign that Jesus is with teh Church.
I felt the same way about the church 500 years ago. So I created my own!
How many people have died in the name of religion (i.e. the crusades)?
How many people have died in the name of atheism or personal choice (belief in God, but not organized religion)?
Sounds like a christian who stopped identifying with other christians. me too.
And how did that work out, Martin...?
"Everyday people leave the church and go back to God" – Lenny Bruce
"Every day people leave the church and go back to God" – Lenny Bruce
Isaac Newton had it right – he said the only 'religion' that you need is to love God and love your neighbor. No mitred hats, no celebate priests, no rickety dogma, no plate passed around, and no gods in the form of Beck, Cheney, Rove, Reagan, Nixon, or Bush!!
Wise decision Anne, because organized religion is corrupt, hypocritical, and tyrannical. Look no further than the catholic priests and evangelical creeps who molest innocent children in their charge, and then are shuffled to different parishes to cover up their disgusting behavior. If the pope and other religious leaders who violate their sacred vows were moral people they would have resigned their posts long ago and accepted punishment for their crimes. But no, the fools and tools of religion find it easy to alibi for and forgive the religious hierarchy of their immoral acts. One does not have to have religion in order to be "decent, good, and moral".
What a coward.... Christians are not perfect and it is amazing how they are supposed to be perfect... I question Ms. Rice and these self righteous bloggers ...when was the last time you sinned? You will never find the perfect church because it is filled with humans who sin on a daily basis. Sorry Rice you bailed out.
According to your beliefs, you were born a sinner.
According to me, I've never sinned (that's a religious term), I just make morally incorrect decisions on ocassion.
I hope Rice is merely rejecting the hypocricy of certain so-called Christians, but to me it sounds like she's lumping all Christians together. While agree that many Christians are hypocrits (I grew up in a very hypocritical denomination, so I know), I would argue that most are not. Most Christians are genuine followers of Christ who sincerely care about people. Unfortunately, it sounds like Rice is having a difficult time reconciling Christian doctrine with her liberal ideology. To be a true follower of Christ, one's personal ideology must fall in line with Biblical principles. The truth of the Bible is unwavering, and as followers of Christ we are not afforded the luxury of picking and choosing which truths we want to believe and which we want to reject.
Had Rice stated that she disagreed with the bigotted Christians from that hateful Baptist Church (the one that has made a name for itself not by how much it helps people or brings the Gospel of Christ to the hurting but by demonstrating against those same people for whom Jesus died), then I could understand where she's coming from and agree with her; however, she makes it sound like she is rejecting Biblical doctrine in favor of her liberal ideology, and in the same breathe rejecting all Christians who do not agree with her liberal ideology. In that case, really her statement has nothing to do with rejecting Christianity or Christians, it is about rejecting those who don't agree with her ideology and trying to paint them as “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”
Rice needs to set aside her ideology and pick up her Bible.
Who cares?Really?Like this is even worth new coverage?Although I am not a Christian I clearly see that it has become "pc" and fashionable to be anti–Christian serving a political purpose only with such a venom that dare not be shown to other religons such as Islam or Judism by the left-wing for fear of driving away their very minority base.As for being anti-science most Christian with the exception of a few "cultists" embrace and debate science.As for anti-Democrat?More like anti-Marxist get it right...most so called Democrats don't even know the history of their own party.
I told you not to judge each other. There seems to be too much of that here. And please don't covet your neighbors stuff. That leads to greed which leads to housing bubbles which leads to crashes which leads to high unemployment which leads to poverty. Please care for each other.
Really Anne Rice! This flip flopping with religion at your age is just ridiculous. You are how old?! And you didn't know that Christianity is anti-gay, anti-femminist, and anti-science? Jeez!
Tragically she appears to be a false convert if she doesn't have a love for the brethren as John writes in his first epistle...I'm not real sure from her comments that she knows what a Christian is...a real Christian is someone who sees their depravity against the backdrop of a Holy God who must punish sin (lying, stealing, taking God's name in vain, lust which is adultry of the heart, etc) and throwing yourself upon Christ who was the sacrifice and offering made for our sin. Repentance and faith in Christ alone makes someone a Christian Anne, I pray God removes the scales that have blinded.
You are the very reason she left church, and why I won't be going. Holier than though, pompous, and not very bright.
You forgot fornicator, idolator, thief, and liar. Saved by the grace of God.
Just be glad "Mike in DALLAS" is not your spiritual advisor.
He is espousing the old "Baptist Doctrine" of once saved...always saved.
God know the intent of our heart. This "lady" didn't have to drop out. By what she says she was never "in" but was a "appearing to be"a type of Christian. God will spit people like that out of His mouth.
Will be many surprises on the day of judgment...especially for those who have a "form" of Godliness but deny the power thereof.
I'm just glad YOU are not my spiritual or any other type of adviser, I prefer to use proper grammar while communicating.
Anyone who understands what it means to be a Christian knows how ridiculous a notion it is that Anne Rice "quit" being a Christian. Quite obviously, she never was one despite what she may claim or truly believe. Sadly, there are many who claim to be followers of Christ but they do so by placing conditions on their beliefs. In short, they take the position that Christ must accept them and their beliefs in order for them to follow Him. It's like saying "I love you Lord but you are wrong when it comes to the following issues so I will simply reject what I don't agree with and accept what I do."
and I like the comment above that states "god was not a Christian," nor did he advocate starting a church.
I understand what she means. I too beleive in God but I do not go to chruch. Chruch (Catholic, Christian, Mosque, Temple, etc.) has become a place not to worship anymore but tell people the follow "their" agenda. Their agenda has become to hate others not like them. I cannot subscribe to that. I was part of the church once but when they are telling me to vote for someone I don't agree with ... or else, or to dislike people because they associate with others who are not followers, then it's time to leave. I have tried several other chruches in my area and they seem to be the same. I believe in my heart and that is what counts the most.
Christ was all about helping the sick, the poor, and the persecuted... i. e. the least of all. So many so called Christians today are judgemental and arrogant jerks who think that all Christian should think like them. If Jesus was alive today, he would be very concerned about what the Church has become. I am almost 60 and, after a lifetime in church, didn't know until three years ago that good works do not help you get into Heaven, only belief in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross gives us eternal life. There is more to being a Christian than being anti-abortion and anti-gay. We are to spread the Good News, not tell other people what to do or what to believe.
The pomposity of Rice's announcement is almost as great as her arrogance in assuming that anyone would care what her religious beliefs are on any particular day. Did she not know that the Church is anti-secular-humanist before she rejoined it? "Anti-life?" What does that mean? Perhaps Rice needed a few minutes of fame to make up for her lack of major books recently, but this was not the way to get it.
I've Got A Lot Of Opinions About A Person I Don't Know!
Yes: if only Anne had hired Bert as her agent, none of this would have been necessary...
Gandhi- "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Christ says his bride has made herself ready in Revelation and is adorned with precious jewels...I wouldn't be knocking the Lamb's bride if I were you...Ghandi sir.
I was never indoctrinated with the nonsense in the first place. Sounds like 90% of the conflicted posters here could have benefited from my upbringing.
This is hilarious. Look at people 'my chritianity is better than yours". What kind of religious thought is that. Didn't Jesus say 'render unto Caesar etc'. Just a quick word on the crusades to correct thought. Muslums, christians and jews were slaughtered. It was for money, it is how they paid the armies and the papacy got a hunk of it. Real history is wonderfully enlightening.
Unfortunately, the "church" in America doesn't really follow the Truth. For example, loving thy neighbor (gay, straight, democrat, republican, whatever) as thy self.
The greatest bumper sticker I ever saw read "Jesus, protect me from your followers..."
@ Jersey George
So if u take away the fact that they are "catholic priests and evangelical creeps who molest innocent children", does that still make it any better?...Lol they would still be molesters and creeps w/o their religion....
And no, one does not have to have religion in order to be 'decent,good and moral'.... Yet the same goes if you are a christian b/c there are plenty who are "decent, good and moral"....
Christ in your heart is not a fairy tale. He is very real. We need to follow HIM, not other people who may be misguided and judgmental and are, as the Bible says, "a stumbling block" to others. It is the personal relationship with Jesus that makes one a Christian, not religion. He did say to forsake not the assembling of ourselves together, but that is for strength and comfort, not for criticizing others. Christ accepts us all if we accept him.
"I'll play with you ONLY if we play the game by MY rules. Otherwise, I'm taking my balll and going home and BTW, Im gonna light you on fire and you will burn forever and ever and ever." Sounds like a real swell guy.
Don't forget....church just isn't a building...it's you.. you are the church..or the temple as it has been put many times over..our bodies are the temple(church) of christ/God. AND if you want to build your faith.. PRAY MORE and BUILD a BETTER realtionship with God.. so many times has a preacher left a church to go preach somewhere else and people leave the church to follow that preacher leaving the church STRIPPED of it's congragation...Oh yeah, I forget.. some of you call that followers....HOW STUPID!
Recommended Reading; "Whatever You Do STOP Going to Church," by Dan Stockin, who argues "It wasent Gods idea in the first place."
You go, girl. Christians are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They are everything she said, plus hateful, spiteful, arrogant, etc... There are hundreds of churches in every major city, and yet, there are people living on the streets. Churches spend their money on nice auditoriums, grand pianos, TV studios, sound systems and such, while people starve the world over. If Christ is real, he has to be ashamed of them.
I followed Christianity for 51 years and the beliefs of who to exclude and what to believe. I can understand why Anne Rice feels the way she does as I came to the same conclusions recently. May all believers in God unite to worship Him together and take all of the "man-made beliefs" out of our spiritual relationship with the Almighty. Please visit Unity.org to know more.
I don't what churchgoers Rice has been hanging around with, but I've never met a real Christian who gave a darn about your Party Identification. Real Christians have only to persuade you to accept your savior and help you if you are poor and suffering. Everything else portrayed as Christian is politicized BS or merely self-serving. Yeah TEBOW, I'm talking to YOU!
Well said. By some of these comments she has made she's distorting the message of Christ just as much as she's accusing these other "Christians" of doing... just in a different direction.
Love each other don't judge each other. Did I not make myself clear enough?
I thought you said to repent and believe the gospel in Mark 1?
Amen!
Greg, just do what Jesus said. Yes, he did say to repent. He said a lot more too.
What people fail to realize–or ignore completely–is that the church is NOT immune to corruption. The bible says that one of the first signs that the end of times is near is that Satan will take over the church (which is happening by the way with all the pedos and the like). I'm sitting in my office at the moment with a temporary intermission (lunch hour) and I'm at church. Church is just a building.
Christians are supposed to tell / teach about God. Not beat people with it.
There is a world of difference between the church described in the Bible and the "church" today. First almost 2000 years of "reinterpretation" of the events of the first century which led to religious division have corrupted the movement from its prestine state. The answer is to go back to that prestine church of the first century and realize that God does not put his approval on religiously divided people. He wants all to be one based on the New Testament. Bigotry, racism, and other such thing do not have anything to do with was was originally set up. These come because people feel the need to tell God and others what he meant by the scriptures. Surely an omnipotent God has the power to write what he means and mean what he wrote. I am sure God is not proud of the many things that have been done in his name by so called Christians.
First, all religions and actually, groups of people, are like that. That's just people. The test of anyone is sticking around and trying to improve things, not throwing up their hands and having a baby tantrum, and taking their marbles and going home. Second, I love many of this woman's books, however she is an extremely self-centered nutcase personally. She really thinks that we should care about her personal struggles with spirituality. Someday she may reach the point emotionally that most of us manage to get to at around 30 years old.
If you believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as your Savior, you are a Christian by definition. You don't have to call yourself one, but you are. Because the word "Christian" has such a negative vibe to it these days I tell people I'm a Follower of Jesus Christ. But that's just another way to say "Christian." It is what it is, folks. Instead of bashing churches and other imperfect believers, focus on spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ, which is that we don't have to die in our sins!
@ JLI
".So many so called Christians today are judgemental and arrogant jerks who think that all Christian should think like them".
I would say to your assessment that many athesists think the same way and are extremely judgemental and hostile if u so much as claim u believe in Christ. There is a thing called pot meeting kettle. And yes we are supposed to spread the Good News, but it also says make disciples out of nations which requires u to tell ppl what Jesus believes.
GOD IS IMAGINARY . C O M
Grow up, there is no god . It's just myths and folk stories that has you deluded and brainwashed.
Here is a conversation I heard from someone a while ago. Some years ago, a man was going to read a new book about Adolf Hitler and was looking forward to what new revelations would appear in the book. The author had done interviews with four people who personally knew Hitler and witnessed his actions during WWII. The man said to a friend, "You know what is in the book has to be true because all four people say virtually the same thing, and they all knew Hitler They could have been prosecuted for war crimes by revealing what they did, but they believed the truth was so important that they talked anyway, potentially incriminating themselves. They have no reason to lie."
The friend, who knew the man was an atheist, paused for a second and asked, "So you believe this book because it has four independent versions of the same story, told in a time when the men could have been persecuted or killed for telling this?"
"Absolutely" was the reply.
"That's funny, you just described the New Testament."
Forget about the organized religion, but think about the history. You have four versions of roughly the same events, written at different times an independently of each other. Today that would be enough to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt in a courtroom. Just something to think about.
And what makes you think you are not brainwashed? Because YOU said so?
You hope.
Tony, your analogy isn't correct, because Matthew, Mark, Luke & John were written decades after Christ died, and they weren't all written at the same time independently of each other. After all, there are a lot of differences between them. Stories passed down through generations would never be used in a court of law, because they're not reliable.
FINE have it your way NO GOD, so stop making a big deal about the Lights in the Sky from Chariots you cannot fly...
The Steeple Song
I don't care how many buses you own
Or the size of your sanctuary
It doesn't matter how steep your steeple is
If it's sittin' on a cemetery
I don't care if you pave your parking lot
Or put pads upon your pews
What good is picture perfect stage
If you're missin' all the cues?
I don't care if your pastor's super-powered
And your program's always new
What you need is love and truth
And men are going to come to you
It doesn't matter that you know the Bible
If it's all just in your head
The thing I need to ask you is
Have you done the things I said?
Do you love your wife?
For her and for your children
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you livin' as a servant to
Your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
I don't care if you pray for miracles
I don't care if you speak with tongues
I don't care if you said you love Me
In every song you've sung
It doesn't matter that your sacrifice of praise
Is loud enough to raise the dead
The thing I need to ask you is
Have you done the things I said?
Lord, when were You a prisoner
That we did not come to You?
When was it that we saw You sick
That we didn't follow through
Every time you turned your head
And pretended not to see
When you did it not to the least of these
You did it not to Me
Do you love your wife?
With all you've got inside you
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you living as a servant
To your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
She's... NOT... CHRISTIAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
Amen. Her words beautifully explain the painful split I have had with the Christian business Machine.
"He's the one who made it possible to have direct contact with God. We don't need a middle man.”
~ unknown
Good for her. I hope her decision gives other Christians an opportunity to reflect on the way many of their kindred have taken the true teachings of Christ and contorted them into baser human ideologies to meet their own selfish needs. Christ did not teach us to be hateful or judgmental or arrogant. Yet time and time again, this is what you hear from the church. A prime example comes from another CNN headline: Preacher planning a 9/11 Quran burning. Really? Is this what you think Christ would have done? If this is what you get from people who are supposed to be ordained in the gospel, then it is no wonder so many turn to athiesm and agnosticism. I am not a Christian and will never be, but I believe the words of Christ deserve better than to be uttered by so many of these hypocritical so-called "christians."
I saw the hypocrisy @ age 13 in youth group..Haven't been to a church service since.But that doesn't mean that I have forsaken God..Just the people that Market him/her.
Isn't this what twitter is for?
The "anti-science" view is old and outdated. The modern Church teaches that truth cannot contradict truth. Therefore, if science is truth (which the Church believes is true), then it cannot be in conflict with God. The fact is that the modern Church embraces science as complementary to its beliefs, not contradictory. We have learned much since the days of Galileo.
Yes, there are elements that don't believe this way (the folks who believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, for example), but that is not the teaching of the Church. As for being anti-Democrat, that is also preposterous, as the Church leans to the Democrat side in many areas (against the Iraq war, against the death penalty are just two off the top of my head).
I'm afraid Anne hasn't been listening to the true teaching of the Church. If she had, she would realize her premise of leaving is flawed.
TonyB = ƒucking wach-job.
TonyB and Oly, Your insight is correct. Disavowing membership in a denomination (or group of like-minded churches) is not the same as "quitting" a religion. My chosen Christian denomination is neither anti-gay or anti-feminist. I'm an independent woman with a career in medicine. I was taught by my church to freely question my faith on the premise that believers who follow blindly only because times are good will inevitably find their faith shaken when times are bad. We are called to "take up our cross" when following Jesus. This is not for the faint of heart.
Everyone has to make a choice. She would stand before her maker one day...then she would know if she made the right choice.
You cannot leave Christianity. True followers of Jesus are His forever. That is what being a Christian means. Since Jesus began HIs earthly ministry there were many who started out following Him, but when they understood His teachings they turned away. Jesus asked His twelve disciples, "Will you also go away" and Peter answered, "Lord to whom shall we go? You have the words of everlasting life." ( John chapter 6 ) We live in a culture that wants a Jesus who is a Santa Claus just a prayer away... a marshmallow Jesus they can make into a god like themselvers. They want to define what sin is.. and reject Christ's own teaching. The world hates the true Jesus because He requires forsaking the sins of this world to follow Him.... The true Jesus is the High King of Heaven ... a sovereign ruler who will come again to claim His true followers who have His spirit living inside them ... He will resurrect those who have died .... and they will live with Him in heaven forever. Heaven is a place where He will be perfectly obeyed. Those who reject Christ, will be rejected forever. Why would Jesus take to heaven those who hate Him and will never accept His reign in their lives. Christians die the world over for the sake of His name. Only His true followers will endure through persecution, false teachers, and false followers. I pray for Ann Rice. She has seen a false religion. I pray for here to find the true Jesus and stay faithful to Him, even if His teachings are not what she wants to hear. "There is none other name under heaven, by which we can be saved and find everlasing life." Acts 4:12
@ Michael
"Christians are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. They are everything she said, plus hateful, spiteful, arrogant"
Lol and the same can definitely be said about non-believers... Lol so u are not one for talking. Hypocrites always show their stripes..
"Lol and the same can definitely be said about non-believers..."
The difference is that non-believers don't make it a habit to start wars over their non-belief and burn people at the stake.
Christians are the number one cause of atheism...
thumbscrews: You're right. The non-believers tend to use starvation and show trials (Stalin), mass shootings (Mao and Pol Pot), and gas chambers (Hitler). The road to the
I am bothered that Anne Rice (along with a lot of people) doesn't seem to know the difference between christianity and the many different denominations of christianity. There are a lot of christian churches that teach that we are not to judge other peoples sins. Only God can judge us. Maybe Anne Rice should find another church to attend. I wonder if all the "anti" groups realize the damage they are doing to christianity.
From the statements that she made, I would consider Anne Rice to be a christian, even if she does not. As a fan of her work and a christian I pray that she will find the proper fellowship to strengthen her walk with christ.
You're all idiots
A superlative epitaph for the contemporary age! Thank you, J...
J, you are such a moron. Grow up.
it's not totally unusual. statistics show that there is a shift with people opting to declare themselves as unaffiliated or nonreligious and it's one of the fastest growing minorities. that doesn't necessarily mean they're atheist although it does include atheists (that percentage is going to be fairly small for quite some time). those who are unaffiliated are people who are believers but they just don't have an interest in making their own spiritual or personal beliefs as some legitimate affiliation or as other people's business (or that they have to go to a religious facility every week). whether christians want to admit it or not, christianity has become a lot more secular. what it was a thousand years ago is not what it is today. the core beliefs are intact (somewhat) but the social, day-to-day practice is pretty much night-and-day by comparison.
I'm sorry to say that I'm afraid I know only too well how she feels. While I do believe I myself am called to continue prayers and efforts to heal-from-within what all too often is indeed the 'quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group' Rice describes it, I can't say I've ever been completely comfortable there. The 'visible church' has never in all its history been a faithful representative of the Christ it professes to follow, or even of the 'Invisible Church' many of us believe still to be alive and well but scattered throughout it. Jesus warned as much: 'Many will come to Me in that day saying, "Lord, Lord! Didn't we ... etc " And I will declare to them, "I never knew you ...."' Alas, even this warning is most often quoted merely to take cheap shots at some rival faction. Ultimately, I guess I do not give up on the 'church' because, every time I feel like it, God calls my attention to some subtle evidence that, for all its failings, HE has not - at least not yet.
@ Michael
Obviously u care enough to spew that rant u call a song. lol smh
Jesus Christ was not a Christian; if he existed at all, by any and all educated accounts he was a Jewish rabbi. Early Christians were (mostly) martyred Jewish adherents to his teachings. Then came the corrupters, parents of modern Christianity: The early Popes, the Crusaders, the Inquisitors, the Jesuit enslavers, and (may I add) the Bush Republicans. The modern Christian church is, by any reasonable measure, seriously flawed.
I wise old Priest I got to know gave me the following advise. Never get angry a "man made" issues, and don't consuse them with the over all message of Christ. Man made issues are just that, made made issues.
Let me begin by stating I have not read all the posts, so I apologize if I repeat what has been said. I was raised Quaker and although Quakerism was founded with a protestant-Christian belief, it has taken on a different path in different places. When asked what religion I am I always answer “Quaker” not Christian, probably for some of the same reasons Anne Rice has. My wife was raised in a very conservative Baptist church in Northern Maine…she “found” Christ at the age of 8 after being “scared” into Salvation by videos and “fire insurance” lectures at Bible Camp and Sunday School. She no longer believes in Salvation or that Jesus was a deity. He was simply a man who had a very special connection to his spirituality and taught the people of the world a way to live and to treat each other. I do appreciate every persons individual belief, because that’s all I ask in return, but with that being said, to say that once you accept Christ into your heart, hes always there is a bold statement that is one of the very reasons Christianity has such a bad rep now. Who’s to say that Christ is not in your heart from the beginning and one chooses to acknowledge it. Whos to say that you must accept Christ to become Christian but if you decide to reject Christ you lose it? Know one knows…we all continue to learn what makes each of us a better person. Your belief is not your neighbors, but you should love them for who they are, not what they are. Do I believe in God, yes and no. Its not a simple answer. It may be to some, because they have faith in the “sky daddy” (I Love that)…to me, god is the energy that surrounds us all…we are all a part of that energy and we can all create and affect that energy. But, that’s just my belief and the belief I am comfortable with. Can I change my mind tomorrow, sure…there is no set doctrine. We learn and teach everyday, it didn’t stop with Revelation 2000 years ago. (and don’t get me started on the bible, the council of Nicaea, and all that fun…)
I could not have said it better myself, Anne Rice. I plan on citing those words, it is an affirmation of faith and speaks to spiritual audacity.
I was with her when she denounced the morons but, to still believe in fairy tales is just sad. At least she's figured out how destructive what everyone else has always known.
Guys, enough with all the religious propaganda. I totally understand Ms. Rice's frustration. It can be totally disheartening to see those who profess Christ with their mouth, but their hearts are truly far from Him. Ms. Rice declaration is a search for the truth. And that truth can only be found in God's Word (The Holy Bible). "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be given unto you". I am a follower of Christ, but not a Christian. The word christian or christianity is a term used to describe followers of Christ. But Jesus Christ never called Himself a christian. The word Christianity was formed to put the message of Christ in a box and compare His teachings with all the other 'religions' in the world. But Jesus Christ never came to establish a religion. He never came preaching religion or denominations. Throughout the gospels, Jesus Christ preached about the kingdom of God, not religion. That was the crux of His entire message. Yes, He performed miracles. Yes, He healed those who were sick. And yes He delivered those who were possessed and oppressed by the devil. He TAUGHT about love, salvation, having compassion for your fellow man. But all these things can be found in the message He preached: which was the kingdom of God. Christ's mission was to reintroduce humanity to the kingdom of God. Believing in Him, of His death and resurrection, and that He is the Son of God, is only the beginning of salvation. If we as followers of Him would only grasp this truth and begin to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness as He commanded us, we will begin to discover the truth as to who we are in Him, as well as why we are here. For centuries, the Church has placed way too much emphasis to being lumped in with the other so-called religions out there. But we who have grasped the revelation that we who are in Christ are part of a movement, we are here to represent the kingdom and the will of God on earth, and to exercise our dominion rights as sons and daughters of the King of kings and Lord of lords. We are not here to re-establish a religion; we are here to re-present Christ to a lost world so that by seeing us they would begin to see Him, and hearing us they would begin to embrace His message which is to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
Just feed the hungry!
Feed the hungry!
Ms Rice doesn't get it. A Christian never in the beginning of the inception of the community nor now or ever calls themselves that name. It was and remains a pejorative label "little Christ" much like the labeling by many of the intolerant in this blog. The point – a person is called a Christian because of their Christ-like behavior Acts 11:26 for those of you who are literate, tolerant, and cultured enough to own Bible and find the passage. Sounds like Ms. Rice did not understand discipleship as well.
I'm with Derek. All religion is nothing but myth. The fact that people still believe this stuff in this day and age is astounding to me. The world would be a much better place without it, especially organized religion which only serves to separate people and create hatred. Can't think of one good thing religion has done for the world. Not one.
Her problem is she didn't meet Christ in her 'Christianity' but she met many imperfect people who claimed to be Christians!
Ms. Rice may or may not have been Christian. A decision to embrace or leave Christianity is a personal decision and doesn't impact Christianity one way or another. We wish her well.
I have read several of Anne Rice's books and her writing reveals that she is deeply concerned about moral framework and introspective contemplation. The Church has deeply disappointed too many of its followers, myself included. Offenses range from simple hypocrisy to outright criminal deception. It is very difficult for a person with a strong conscience to willingly align oneself with such a troubled organization.
Interesting comment. If I understand correctly, you're saying that people with strong beliefs have trouble aligning themselves with other people that have strong beliefs. Who among has does not do what one ought not do? It's the human condition that we see what is right, and then we don't do it. For the person that cannot grow to the point of understanding the human condition, this world is a very difficult place, because wherever we go, we will find mere humans doing what humans do. The good thing is that when one realizes that we cannot rely on any other to be perfect, one can begin to see that this world does not offer what we need.
Look after the poor.
@ Thumbscrews
"The difference is that non-believers don't make it a habit to start wars over their non-belief and burn people at the stake"
Actually they do. Whenever u go to another country, the moment u preach the gospel, u have many ready to burn u to the stake. And that has been like that for thousands of years... Get it right...
Umm, no. You have other people practicing a different type of dark age mythology that is incompatible with what you call "the gospel." Therefore, you kill each other over the whole "my God has a bigger penis than your God" mindset. What you are talking about are holy wars. YOU get it right.
So much ado over nothing. I was 9 yo when I figured out that all this religious stuff and god belief was hocus. I always thought it would be obvious to anyone with intelligence. Later I realized that intelligence is a very rare commodity, and that common sense is anything but.
Help the homeless.
There are so many crazy christians in this country. I was born 500 years too early. By then we should have rid the world of these archaic beliefs in supernatural gods and faeries.
Isn't it ironic that most people here who complain about the Church and its dogmas know that the Church is wrong and figured out what being a TRUE Christian is all about? Being a true Christian is following Christ's Church. If you don't want to, fine, but don't then say it's wrong. That's doing the same thing you're complaining about.
Rice didn't want to follow Christian teaching so she left. She obviously knows better.
Laurie- Could your subjective reduction possibly mean that you don't know the difference between a transcendent relationship and religion?
Inconvenient as it may be, to be a Christian is to be a part of the Church – that is, to be a part of the community of faith, with all of its imperfections. Americans are so conditioned to thinking in individualistic terms that we think nothing of doing an end run around our calling to be in community with our brothers and sisters in the Lord, serving them and worshiping along side of them even as we seek to serve the world and love it as Messiah did. To say, "I'm finished with Christianity but not with Jesus" is in effect wanting to have all of the comforts of family with none of the tiresome obligations or the obnoxious characters that seem to come along with families.
For the several who maintain that she can't 'quit' Christianity because once accepted Christ remains in your heart, I have to point out how ridiculous that statement is and how, when isolated, it becomes a microcosm of the whole religion-as-control meme. Can't quit? What is christianity, the mob? Or to carry this asinine logic to its inevitable conclusion, religion seems to act much more like a mutating (sorry, evolution implied) virus. Once infected it may remain dormant but never truly disappear. In addition, it also seems to vehemently attempt to replicate and spread to surrounding hosts. Up for a little proselytizing, anyone?
Really, it's time to grow up.
I am very happy she has finally come to the reality that you do not have to call yourself Christian to beleive in Jesus or God. Anne Rice was one of my favorite authors since high school. I am not a Christian and I am proud of that. Just because you beleive in Jesus Christs existnace that does not deem you a Christian. I also beleive in Karma and reincarnation, but that does not make me a Hindu or a Buddhist. I was raised Baptist, not Southern Baptist, just Baptist, and turned my back to the church in order to face God without the interferance of others. Christianity, like all religion, has lost its way. Full of closed-minded bigets and self-righteous ignorance it is impeding the future with it's creationism theory and its alienation of science and Evolution. Though I beleive that Jesus Christ existed, I do not beleive in the bible as the absolute truth. It is not. The bible was a collection of stories, like Aesop's fables, that were created to teach us right and wrong. It was a tool of guidance for our ancestors and was not intended to be taken literally. If you have ever been told a story and then told that same story to someone else, we have a tendency to change it or ad-lib, ever so slightly, to make it interesting to the next person. This is the bible, a collection of stories that were passed down verbally because many in the tribes of the middle east could not write so their history had to be passed down in stories to the next generation. If you know anything about the history of religion, you will know that Egyptian mythology has a very similar story to Jesus with regards to their god Horus. Many of the things Jesus did, so did the god Horus, 2 thousand years before Christ. I do not like the fact the Christianity hinders our scientific growth and limits or tries to control us by brainwashing and fear tactics. If you do not do what the bible and the church tells you to, you will burn in the pits of fiery hell and damnation for all eternity. I am so sick of hearing this type of garbage. People have the right to beleive whatever they want, they do not however, have the right to force their beliefs onto others and condemn(aka passing judgement) on others for their individuality. I always find it most disturbing that Chirstian's tend to be the most judgemental of all religions. I can still remember that one phrase, from the bible, that they always seem to forget, as pious as they are, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you (Matthew 7:12).” It is sad how religion seems to pick and choose what they want to beleive, even from their own "absolute truths".
i think what she has left is her religion, which i believe in roman catholicism, in favour of a relationship with Christ, which is really what true Christianity is all about. true Cristianiity has nothing to do with religion. they are totally opposite. one endorses good works to merit God's favour, the other is about God's unmerited favour that can never be earned through good works, religion included. many are totally confused about Christianity because they equate it with the mainstream religion, the so-called Christian groups and denominations that are nothing but that but does not have the living Christ. Anne Rice is on a journey and has gone a long way from being an atheist. I hope she finds true Christ followers and the true body of Christ which true followers around the world are a part of.
People have a right to choose what lifestyle they want to lead. No one ever said being a Christian was easy. It's not supposed to be. It's one of the hardest things to do. Everyone makes mistakes and grows from them, but "quitting" seems a little off to me. And for those of you who say once a christian always a christian are a little of base. Just because you become a christian doesn't mean you can never stop. If you turn your back to God, there are no promises
I have a direct pipline to the cloth diapered baby jesus. For a fee I can get miracles done for anyone, does not matter what you believe. I have the fix!
Why would CNN put this on the front page of their news?
People have been saying stuff like this for years. Nothing new. Nothing Newsworthy.
And yet you post...
Ms. Rice could become a Unitarian, honor Christ in whatever way she wishes, and not be burdened with the so-called followers of Christ, who, in more cases than not, talk a good game but practice a far from "Christian" life. It has been said that "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel," (see Palin, Sarah with her flag pins & flag jewelry). IMHO, piety is right up there with patriotism in defining scoundrels.
So now she only belongs to a group (liberals) that despise white, male, rural Americans, military members, and legal citizens. Although I'm not a Christian myself, the problems she cites with the religion stem from humanity itself, not the teachings of a religion. Perhaps she would prefer the warming tolerance of the Muslim faith?
Wow! She said all that? Good thing we have Max's Marvelous Decoding Machine to keep us in the know...
Guess what Max! My husband, (whom I love with all my heart) is white, used to be in the Army and is a legal citizen. We also live in a small farm town in California and we are both liberals. Liberals. Meaning we accept people for who they are, be they farmers, teachers or policians, gay, straight or bi, white, black or brown, christian, athiest or muslim. Perhaps you should realize that liberals don't hate you nearly as much as you hate them.
She's also leaving the teachings of Scripture by embracing Gay clergy. Reject Scripture and you reject Christ.
So Bob, let me ask you how many of the scriptures do you NOT adhere to?
Bottom line? We ALL fall short of his glory...including YOU! God hates sin, but loves the sinner...too bad so many Christians have forgotten that.
She wised up. I'm glad she's feeling better.
Thank you for those words of wisdom, Jesus. And let's all work hard to find solutions to humanity's problems that won't require anyone getting nailed to anything.
I've never heard of Anne Rice but that's ok, she's never heard of me either.
Thanks Robert: your post made me smile...
She's 1 step closer to reality.
Now she just needs to keep all of her ficiton in her book and she's good to go.
whose reality ... the one you create?
She's... NOT... CHRISTIAAAAAAN!!!
First and foremost, I am a follower of Christ. The modern church does not follow Christ. They follow the man behind the pulpit. If they did follow Christ, they would celebrate a massive Passover once a year. Jesus was a Jew. Matthew wrote the following quote from Jesus; “I have come only to save the lost children of Israel.” “Christians,” serving baked ham on Christmas does not spell out Christianity to me.
Ann, you are correct! Ignore the hypocritical voice of the modern church; instead, focus on the love that our Father gives to us. I am an outsider, too. I live in an upscale neighborhood in North Dallas. The brainwashing and herd poisoning that reeks through the air in this conservative environment is full of stench. I am a Democrat. I know that the earth is 4.5 billions year old. I am not afraid of inverts; I judge no one. I love all people of all races. I am a Caucasian woman who chooses to keep her head above the sand. As Ann Rice knows, we all bleed red. We collectively are one and one we shall be!
Listen up folks, Hell is on earth. All you have to do is watch the news and you will see it. If you wish to follow Christ, then read his sermon on the mount, and go from there. I do not give money to a church. When I see a need, I fill the need.
Ann, I don’t like your books; they are full of blood and evil; there is enough blood and evil spewing amongst us. However, I love you and I applaud your courage to come forth and tell the world what you think of the modern church. You are 100% correct.
“It's simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group.”
Anne is "quitting" for all the right reasons. I can't help but think of a quote from Gandhi where he says something about not having any issues with Jesus, just his followers.
Sounds like just just basically declaring that she's a liberal.
Much ado about nothing. There is no need to be a Christian. There is no need to be an atheist. Just be a human being and enjoy the universe that gave you life. Be good because it's what you're supposed to do not out of fear or because some book tells you to. Enjoy the wonder of the planet and all the life on it. Enjoy your friends and family and try not to harm people unless you're defending yourself. Something created all of this and I'm sure one day in some form we will all figure it out. Until then do not worry so much about believing in this or believing in that. Just be and allow that to fill you up. Have a cold one, relax and smile. : )
What always amazes me, is how the media focuses on someone "leaving" Christianity, when there are thousands of Atheists,Jews and Moslims (even some movie stars, or business and political leaders) who leave those beliefs/religions for Christianity every year.... but no headlines about those.
Perhaps James could share his list, since he is keeping track...
James, has it ever occurred to you that the media simply reports what the public wants to hear? You read the story – it worked. You even posted – it worked. If the media doesn't focus on things that people care about, the media ceases to exist. It isn't like there's some evil Democrat up there controlling the media to manipulate our minds – we have capitalism here. Republicans can buy media companies too, and do. I wonder if FOX is running this story too? If so, we can't say that this is one of those "liberal media" things.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. – Gandhi
I guess that's what we get for inviting sinners to join.
Rationality is a wonderful thing.
AMEN to That Sister !!!!! This is exactly how I feel.!!!!! Thank you Anne...... This is really what being a Christian is about. Thank you , Thank you !!
We reap what we sow, more than we sow, later than we sow. Don't mislead others who are committed to following Jesus, and who believe in the truth of God's word. May the truth be known. your decisions, feelings, etc. do not change the truth. You will be accountable for your choices: good or bad.
@ James
Awesome comment... 100% true.
“anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”
Typical pablum. Whatever. God gives us all free will. You'll have your chance to answer to him some day. I wish you well. Just remember that Christians aren't demanding that you be be-headed for leaving the religion. Everyone thinks Christians are the problem. We'll see. The world you 'anti-' everything people want is coming. Enjoy.
I dont think that she's giving up on Christ. I think that shes giving up on what his followers are trying to demand from us. Im christian, and a gay rights supporter. It dosnt mean that Jesus hates me for it. I still believe in him and worship him just as much as i would if i wasnt a supporter.
Jesus kept it simple: Love God (presumably as you understand him), and love your neighbor as yourself.
Everything else is someone's messed up idea of dogma.
Note that Jesus never expected that he be worshiped.
Dear Ms. Rice,
Thank you for your courage. Please know that you are not alone. There are many others who follow Christ who also want to see His shalom peace for the ENTIRE community of His children. I encourage you to check out the ministry of Timothy Keller in NYC at Redeemer Presbyterian Church – http://www.redeemer.com. I am not a member, I live in the Midwest, but I am a big fan of their mission to be a blessing to ALL the inhabitants of NYC. Again, I am thankful for your courage and will be praying for you.
In Christ,
Mark
This is news? who gives a crap what the dried up prune does ?
You've just been listening to the rabling thoughts of a silk work being sucked backwards through a milking machine. Do Whaa Diddy Diddy Dum Diddy Do....
Unless and until you've read at least half of John Shelby Spong's books, you cannot seriously call yourself a mature, serious Christian. Obviously just MHO.
Mike, the problem is, the ancient indoctrination, especially that espoused by Paul, is what mainly survives in the various Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical sects–not the actual teaching of the Jewish man (or men, as some scholars hypothesize), Jesus. Most Christians aren't really interested in true scholarship, other than finding better language translations of biased writings; they focus on apologetics. And I agree with you.
I don't know which church she went to, but not all churches are as she describes. To say all Christians are Republican, hate women and gays, and are against science is a very ignorant and insulting statement to a lot of us. It sounds to me like she just said this for publicity.
What do they call the rest, fallen? Christians eat their wounded.
Let me make another point. Jesus, according to the Bible, traveled around the Israel and other adjacent countries with 12 men. I think he was already a Gay rights advocate.
I grew up in the Bible Belt – with all of the Christian dogma literally shoved down my throat. I was terrified growing up that if I didn't think or act a certain way, I was going to burn in hell. What a bunch of BS! Religion is made by mortal man, and the Catholic Church has monopolized countries for centuries with their damnation. Nope, I didn't grow up Catholic, but Baptist. For those of you who aren't aware, Jesus studied in mystic schools for almost 30 years – ever wonder who took that out of the bible? Catholic scholars, to fit their human minds. Jesus states in the bible, that "Heaving is within" – HELLO, Wake UP!!!! and there is no hell, except for the ones we go through here on earth...........Get rid of the egos, greed, haters and anger – and our world is a better place.
Sandy,
It says the kingdom of God, not heaven...kingdom of God isn't 'heaven' its righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost (spiritual salavation explained to a Jewish audience in Luke 17:21). Sorry all!, the hermaneutical student in me had to clear that up!
She has love in her heart, what else does she need?
She needs to go on a Haj to Washington D.C. and bow before Barack Obama.
Look I don't care for Anne Rice near as much as Jesus does. Christ and the church (little 'c') are inseperable. So when she renounces Christianity and the church (little 'c') she is renouncing Jesus. But I will offer this prayer "Dear Jesus you came to free us from the bondage of sin and Anne has said that she knew you but wants to get away from the church. Open her eyes today so that her strength in these last days of testing will endure."
Someone once said, "Christians are the number one cause of atheism"... Think about it...
Of course. Similarly, evil doesn't exist unless one contrasts that against good. One can't have a contrasting view if there is nothing to contrast it against. If I want to use a black pen, and hope to see what I've written, I won't do well to choose black paper. Good to see you're a logical thinker.
Christians eat their wounded.
" like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ". – Gandhi
I find this quote interesting for numerous reasons (seeing as to this being repeated 100 times already), when Gandhi said he likes our Christ, but not our christians.... We are not Jesus, but we try to follow him. So obviously we would not be like Christ and we are constantly trying to follow his teachings. It's like someone saying "i like your mom, but not her children," Yes, my mom is my mom and there is none like her but I am still her child. So although we are not Christ, we try to live a christian life.
Following Christ or putting Christ in the center of her life is NOT leaving Christianity. It sounds more like she is leaving the church. The two are not the same.
She is so right! The bunch of right wing "Christians" of today have nothing to do with Christ's teaching or God's message to humanity. Time for another flood... and start over!
Mike writes:
Unless and until you've read at least half of John Shelby Spong's books, you cannot seriously call yourself a mature, serious Christian. Obviously just MHO.
Spong cannot honestly call himself a Christian since he rejects the diety and resurrection of Christ. He is reduced to being merely a philosopher of Christian ethics, which have no basis or meaning without a risen Christ, not an authority on Christianity let alone a Christian.
A word fitly spoken.
I know where Ms. Rice is coming from. I too am a believer in Christ. However, I am pro-choice, anti-war on drugs and am neutral on gay rights. I also believe the universe is billions of years old, not 6,000 years old. There are many things these days that many Christians carp on that aren't even mentioned in God's Word. I think Ms. Rice is tired of the BS and wants a sincere relationship with Christ free of all the pro-life, young earth creationist BS that has seeped into the church over the past century.
I believe that is what Jesus would've done.
Nice Bob cut
One individual's issues are their own, but the idea here should not be whitewashed in the usual conflictual rhetoric. Christianity is a belief in Christ and a few relatively straight-forward concepts. Belief in Christ without structure is a personal projective exercise. You can fill in whatever blanks you like. It is taken or left en-toto, not in part.
Atheism is not the anti-christianity, it is the acknowledgement that belief dissolves in the presence of knowledge and understanding. Today's "devote" would be considered unbelevers 2000 years ago. Alas all the non-christians of the world because they were born into the "wrong" families.
Do the right thing because it is right and not out of fear.
I was raised by parents who grew up Irish Catholic, but became disillusioned with the church (especially my dad, he can't stand organized religion). They never taught my brothers and I religion (we went to public school, didn't go to CCD, didn't go to church). I consider myself agnostic, but people seem to assume I am a Christian, apparently because I am a white American. I can respect the belief in a god, but I don't like how people cling to strict beliefs because it is in a book. That book was written by men, not god. I never understood why people have been killing each other for centuries because they believe in a different interpretation of a different translation of a fairy tale written decades after the supposed events, by people who didn't have any understanding of modern science.
She will rot in HELL for this!!!
Cognitive Dissonance. Not sure why she was a pessimistic atheist. I am very optimistic and not shackled with contradictory beliefs- which if she truly wants freedom she will leave everything and simply be a human.
Why is this news? Who cares? If you do care then you are a shallow star follower who values the media more than real life.
Here we go again.. people, people, people... when will you understand that Religion was created to control the masses. The sooner we all figure this out, the better the world will be. Almost alll wars are created because of religion.. what a peaceful place this will be when religion is laid to rest.
Prove your statement about the wars thing. I know people like to say that, and that it is on the internet, but it is factually untrue. More wars were done in the name of land acquisition than religion. And besides man creates war....not God. So God has nothing to do with it. Nice try. Oh BTW I will pray for your soul. : )
If religion was designed to control the masses, it's failed miserably. First of all, I would like to know the names of these people that developed religion to control the masses, because they seem to be missing now. I want names. So, if religion was created by people, unknown people, to control masses, but it doesn't control the masses, can this notion that religion was made to control the masses possibly be a true statement? Do you have any evidence or research that would suggest that your statement is actually true?
But she is leaving christianity, at least Christ's teachings, you cannot hate people for sinning such as the gay lifestyle but it still is a sin, hate the sin and not the sinner, she cannot handle that fact so she just denies it. Also, it is hard to be a liberal democrat and be a Christian also, probably impossible.
And this just in: it's even harder to be a Steve and post a rational commentary...
What a farce. Rice can't leave Christianity, because she was never in it to begin with. This is just a publicity stunt to increase the sale of her books amongst Wiccans, Athreists, and Muslims.
she is still believing in Jesus Christ but she do not follow the church anymore ,
Yeah, those ... athreists ... are a real pain...
A big mistake that people have been following for 1000 years thinking that Christianity is a religion in fact it's not a bunch Of orders that you have to follow ! no it's much more simple all what you have to do is to" love god from all your heart And love your fellow human " and what i mean by loving god is to really act like you love a girl i mean be in a places Where god wants you to be in do things that he likes you to do and if you don't he is still a loving father and he will Always be there for you he won't hate you.
I agree with that lady the followers of the church are becoming more and more ignorant .
Remember pray for Jesus Christ and he will show you him self he will not let you down .
God Bless You.
Issa Khamis
First, turning your back on God because of what you see others doing is silly, and it's sad that so many do it. How many times have you heard "I don't want to be a Christian because they're all hypocrites". So? Why does that mean you can't still serve God the way He's asked you to?
Second, you can't stop being a Christian and still follow Christ. Christian MEANS "follower of Christ", or more litterally "Christ-like".
Third, open your Bibles and read how Christ died to purchase His church (His kingdom). Christ's church IS the people, not a building or denomination. For years the trend has been to leave organized religion and just have a personal relationship with Jesus without others, when it should be to leave FALSE religion and find Christ's church, the one He died for. It saddens me how many people get fed up with "their" church and decide they don't need Christianity to please God. Start reading your Bibles instead of your emotions, and don't abandon God because of what OTHERS are doing.
Dave, don't be goofy – did you read the article? She's not turning her back on G_d. She's just finding her own spiritual path apart from the "herd." I should think G_d would be impressed with her strength to do such a thing.
G_d? What is that? There is nothing to fear about G_d or l_ve or h_pe. It's okay to just write the word you're thinking. G_d l_oves y_u and it's _k.
Jesus' real name was Julio Cesar (Son of Ceasar)
his mother was Cleopatra the 7th
Cleopatra worship the goddess Isis, and declared herself the reincarnation of virgin Isis
(so Cesar was son of Virgin)
Julius Ceasar ruler of Rome was declared by the Roman senate to be a god
(so Cesar is son of god)
After Julius Ceasar was murdered
Mark Antony became involved with Cleopatra and had 3 children boy/girl twins
and another boy (Cesars half brothers & sister)
(the Egyptian name for Jesus ESU – means son of Isis.)
New emporer of Rome Octavian declares war on Egypt and sends troops who are to kill
the Hier to the Roman/Egyptian throne (Cesar)
Before her death Cleopatra sends Cesar to India for his safety.
17 years in hiding Cesar now known as Jesus Christ returns to Egypt to reclaim his throne.
He marries his half sister Cleopatra selene (now called Mary Magdalene)
his two brothers Alexander helios (Thomas) and Ptolemy Philadelphus (james) along with Mary
are now followers.
There is much more, but too long to tell here.
Jesus did NOT die on the cross.
The blood line lives.
Truthsayer, I just don't know what to say except perhaps that this comment is just the dam*dest thing I've ever seen in print.
Are you really that dumb? Genesis 1:1 gives the lineage of Christ. Besides he was born and died long before Cleopatra was even thought up. If you don't want to read the bible, look it up.
Are you really that dumb? Matthew 1:1 gives the lineage of Christ. Besides he was born and died long before Cleopatra was even thought up. If you don't want to read the bible, look it up.
Truthsayer is the son of George Washington.
George never told a lie, so his son could only tell the truth.
Truthsayer was born to Annie Sawyer, who lived in one of the many homes where George visited.
Annie Sawyer was also mother of Tom Sawyer, so Truthsayer and Tom Sawyer are brothers.
Tom went on to paint fences and go on adventures.
Truthsayer was anointed because of his goodness, and lived to be 300 years old. Methusala rolled in his grave.
The liberal media learned of this, and imagined a story about Anne Rice and posted it to control the minds of the masses.
The religious right claimed that the liberal media chose the story and appointed FOX news to settle the matter.
Truthsayer, being all truthful, responded to this thread.
We were all amazed at the truth that Truthsayer shared.
WOW. I mean WOW! A history lesson which contains no actual history. I would have said it could not be done. My hat is off to you sir. I will no longer post anything ever again. YOU are the master of disinformation and I am a worm. Thank You Sensai.
Actually, Anna, Cleopatra's dates seem to have been from late 69 BC to August 12, 30 BC. Thought you might want to know that before the next round of name-calling...
I think Cleopatra named him Caesarion, and although it's a long shot that he was the historical Jesus, it's no less plausible than many of the things in Bible.
Christians eat their wounded. This unfortunate truth comes from personal experience. I love Jesus, who HE is and understand it is only by HIS grace that I may be saved. As far as self proclaimed christians go ... keep 'em. They eat their wounded so I'd prefer you write me off than continue trying to 'redeem' me. My redemption is between me and Christ.
Oh honestly you guys. She didn't 'quit Christ'...she didn't quit because it was 'hard'. The name CHRISTIANITY has become a label...a brand if you will. It is used to bash people that don't 'believe' as you do. Other major religions? Cults. Alternative lifestyles? Out...Jesus wouldn't like you. A LIBRUL? you know the love others as you love yourselves? Forget it...Christ was OBVIOUSLY a conservative. Christianity has been hijacked by the religious right and their corrupt 'leaders'...She has chosen to believe in CHRIST outside of any false Messiahs...wow that's from the bible TOO...
Never before have I seen my very own sentiments explained so perfectly and succinctly as how Anne Rice just so effortlessly did. Thank you, Anne, for having the COURAGE to say it and for doing so in such a perfect way.
I hope you like warm weather
When will people wake up and stop living their lives based on ancient literature? There are literally thousands of belief systems created by humans. Christianity is no more real than Greek mythology. The information age is enlightening people daily to the silliness of religion. Get over it people it’s over.
You're actually almost right. There are thousands of belief systems created by humans. Actually, way more than that, and the number is growing rapidly because people using the internet can expose themselves to all sorts of belief systems and create their new belief system. The issue isn't how many belief systems can be created and how many we have to choose from, nor how many humans can create. The issue is whether any of these belief systems provide something that is true, useful, and necessary. If there is a God, one God with one truth, multiple human belief systems have no utility. They are simply distractions. Dennis, you're certainly welcome to pursue your own belief systems. I did, and it got me to the point where I needed a savior. When I reached that point, I gave up the hollow, man-made "belief systems" in favor of believing in the one true and living God. I now share that walk with others that have found the same God that I know. We're very imperfect people, hypocrites even, since we're all humans. We call ourselves Christians.
In a sense I understand what she is saying. There are many "churches" today that are more interested in choosing sides in political and social debates than teaching foundational biblical principles. I think that if churches would focus on teaching biblical principles then there would be less issues in our society today. The other problem with churches is that they are run by people, and no matter how "Christ like" we try to be we will ultimately fail to live up to our, or anyone else's expectations. If we examine the middle and latter books of the New Testament they are comprised of letters written to the early churches dealing with a variety of issues one being divisions in the church. Those that say that modern day divisions will be the end of the church I think are ignorant of the fact that this has been going on for centuries. I am blessed to belong to a church that teaches biblical principles as well as the true meaning of salvation and having a personal relationship with Christ. Does that mean we don't have disagreements, of course not, but it does mean that we take the time to listen and then speak with compassion and make sure that our tone and our language is in accordance with the Scripture.
Why is this news?
It's not 'news'...are you under the mistaken impression that everything you read online is NEWS? WOW! Most of it is fiction.
Because you cared enough to read it, and then cared enough to comment on it.
I believe that everyone cannot be right, my way included. I believe that there is a right way and that Jesus showed us that example. You should read it for yourself and quit listening to the rant on this board.
Spot On Anne! Bravo to you to take a public stand!!
There is alot of confusion about what a "Chrisitan" is. A Chiristian is a Christ follower who lives their life based on the word of God, not the culture. There is no where that I have ever read or studied that equated Chrisitanity with hate, a political party, etc. However, God does not change. we can not pick and choose what suits us to incorporate into our lives. He has provided guidelines to follow to we have a full life..sometimes that may mean sacrifice on our part. However, not all churches are bad either.
Westie writes;
She will rot in HELL for this!!!
Well, since your are NOT God and don't know what's going on in her heart and mind, you only have some CNN article to go by, you really wouldn't know would you!
It seems that in your tone is an implied glee that you are really happy to think that Ms. Rice will go to hell. I hope that is not so because if it is true you have a real spiritual problem with your attidude let alone you understanding the Christian faith.
OR, Jesus is happy to find someone sincere enough to stand firmly on her truth. I pray it takes more than her declaration to earn a rotting position eternally damned. She seems to be giving up the very obstacles which distract followers from the real purpose of Christ. Why don't we just let people live with the choices they make, allowing nature to take its course with any consequences that follow. When we interfere with a natural process, we create mutations.
I understand where Ms. Rice and many of the commenters are coming from. And I certainly agree that the Christian church has often done a horrible job of living up to Christ's teachings of forgiveness and acceptance. I can only say that I worship with a group of Christians who know we are all sinners and who try to be as accepting of others as Jesus was, to forgive as we have been forgiven. And it is there, in that group, that I find Christ, just as Jesus promised.
@ k
Lmfao what!!!! I'm having a hard time not laughing when u say that "Christians eat their wounded"....
Lol the joke of the day for sure...**wipes laughing tears****
Name one a la carte religion...get real lady. There are some basic tenets in all organized religions. Some some would have had you stoned for your choice, whereas Christians will love you anyway.
...on the third day christ rose.....as a vampire!! that will sell
I agree with ann but let's not forget that Christ did in fact start a church with apostles and prophets and rites of initiation (baptism). Christ himself wasn't against organized religion, whether the organization he started then is on the earth today is another question.
WHOA...get off this site and go GOOGLE the early Church. Baptism was John the Baptist that was sent here to 'prepare' the way...The disciples were baptized Jews that followed and protected Jesus. The Apostles came way later with the conversion of Paul.
Anyways I'm out... Have a blessed wkend. God bless.
I understand her feelings, but does she not understand that nobody is perfect. She is judging others! There is only one that is perfect and that one is Jesus. I've got news for her. She is acting the part of a self-righteous sinner just as those she abhors. We are all sinners!
Now, where is my good post?
Sounds like Rice has finally garnered some maturity by recognizing what, sadly, so few religious people do: that organized religion is divisive and dissentious, while playing on peoples fears about the totality of death and the 'meaning of life.' We're all going to die, folks. Zip. Nada. Kaput. Okay? If you want to believe in a fantasy land called The Afterlife, that's all fine and good, but can you please allow the rest of us who live in the real world to build a constructive society where we take care of one another and we're not at each others' throats?
Must be nice to recreate God in your own image so your lifestyle isn't classified as "sin" anymore.
I think you nailed it.
It is a lot nicer than buying into some unproven, authoritarian Church doctrine that comes down from patriarchal leaders of yesteryear who want to convince you that God is vengeful, full of wrath, and actually cares what you get up to.
My particular beef with modern Christianity is the demigogs who claim to know the will of God, but are more interested in turning their "religion" into the business of selling redemption. It's a perfect business model – you sell it and get to keep it, then you sell it again and again. Gotta love capitalism.
While I'm glad that yet another soul is leaving modern Christianity, I'm a tad confused about the trend of "leaving Christianity for Jesus". The trend itself is disquieting since, in the absence of an experienced spiritual guide, it lends the convert license to twist their faith in any direction they wish. The exercise is pointless if it is without well-reasoned constraints.
In any case, the definition of Christianity is the belief that Jesus was the son of God; that he came down from heaven to save us; and that he, God the father and God the holy spirit are one in the same being. If you believe these three things, you're a Christian, regardless of Earthly affiliations with the modern sects, hence my confusion.
Am I the only one who sees how pointless her current exercise is? If you leave Christianity, you leave those beliefs behind. There is no other way.
To leave Christianity truly is to become a convert to another religion, become agnostic, or become an atheist. I prefer the latter, which I know is not for everyone since it's hard to come to grips with the facts that the wicked prosper and the virtuous don't, and that there will be no final justice for wrongdoers. Religion makes the universe a fair place when it specifically is not.
Sorry for the rant. Hope it makes someone think.
Christian = Christ-like I too struggled with all the hypocracy in the church, especially the rules of do's and don'ts that are not labeled in the Bible and are man-made. Man is fallible and that is the problem. When these mega church men start beleiving that they're bigger than God because of the numbers they attract. They make up their own twisted religion laced with truths from the Bible. We as humans like nothing better than to judge others short-comings. The best way to think of it is if you're pointing one finger at someone else you've got 3 pointed right back at you.
Positively profound post (PPP)...not intended to say it that way, but she really did have a profound post. And, whats more is the responses in my opinion are even more truly spiritually intellectual then i imagined they would be. I do believe that it needed to be said, and she did just that. The message is so profound. Christ is the focus as well as, in her words “My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me,"
Probably a lot of "Christians" have suffered in this way. You fall in love with Christ, but his "followers" and more closely leaders or elite Christians are what the problem is. They are mislead, misguided, and probably nothing could be more frustrating for Christ Himself then to almost have a grasp on another believer only to have one of His followers send them off into a spiraling spiritual death in a way of life that is the opposite of the true virtues of Christ. Good posts from Ann and the true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Keep your faith!
IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS NOT LEAVING CHRISTIANITY.....SHE IS DISGUSTED WITH RIGHT WING CHRISTIANITY.
THERE ARE ZELOTS IN ALL BRANCHES OF THE HUMAN CONDITION. THE LEFT HAS IT'S WACKOS AS DOES THE RIGHT.
I'VE MEET A LOT OF RABID ATHEISTS. I MET BAD ACTING CHRISTIANS.
She is spiritually and theologically correct to not follow the followers, rather, following Christ. That is the equivalent, when on a journey, of following the star, not every passing ship. Also, Jesus Christ was not a Christian. He was a Jew. Jesus DID NOT coin the term Christian. I have my masters in theology, so have studied this stuff a bit. There are so called christians that couldn't be further from the truth/word of Jesus. Well, gotta run...
So courageous; swapping minor details and keeping all the unbelievable desert fantasy. I'm tired of the religious pretension that is allowed to run rampant and totally unopposed in America. The most honest answer you can give you life's biggest questions is "I don't know." Any answer other than that is pure confabulation. Not only is it entirely anti-intellectual, its counterproductive. If you need a moral compass that badly, it means you are lost.
Sounds like an argument of semantics to me. "Christian" obviously derives from "Christ" and it refers to one who follows the teachings of Christ. It does not mean a follower of the followers of Christ anyway. If you are not rejecting Christ himself, it cannot be said that you are quitting Christianity, no matter how much you'd like to disassociate yourself from other Christians. This is just melodrama.
She's Jesus Disciple That's What She Meant.Not A Christian Religion.
Anne says exactly what I've been trying to say for the last 10 years since I stopped feeling comfortable with identifying as a Christian. Jesus, Himself, was not a Christian. The religion was made up by people after him, and like people, the religion is full of flaws.
nifty. maybe she'll write a book worth reading. it's been a while.
why should I care what she believes?
entertain me, lady.
don't lecture me on what other folks are doin' that you don't agree with.
why are religion people so retarded
Christians are truly misguided. The concept that God has a son is so preposterous that a lot of Christians have left their religion and come to Islam just because of this. The Messiah did not speak Greek, so where are his original words? Instead of relying on lying popes and preachers, open a copy of a translation of the Qur'an and read what God Allah has told humanity about Jesus. In particular surah Mariam ('chapter' 19) tells of the miraculous conception and birth of Jesus and the innocense of Mariam (Mary). Peace!
I belong to a Catholic Churchin a well to do area that is pretty traditional and many gays and people from all areas come to it. With that being said I agree with what she has to say. Being a believer in Christ is about believe in the person and the sacrafice. Too many people think showing up at church weekly makes them Christian. I would rather pary at home daily and truly believe than fake it and show up because I have to once a week.
So good Ms. Rice, from someone who understands what you are saying and I support you.
I think she meant to say she's quitting the group aka as Sarah Palin/Rush Limbaugh type christianity.
Not quitting Jesus/God Christianity. BIG difference.
OK, here I go again. Maybe Rice could have phrased her opinion better as follows: I have quit being a Christian in the sense that I refuse to "belong" to any so called Christian Churches because, first if there is a LImitless God, then all of us, from the smallest pebble to the biggest clump of Multi-Universes exist Within and separation is impossible. For this group of stupid humans to that group of stupid humans to be fighting killing hating and minimizing each other as My group has the only book with the real words of God, My Group is the only group beloved by God, etc, to the always powerful Satan, whom the Christians believe as he was a God of Darkness, as IF there were two Gods, one Good one and then Satan- or my group has the best skin color, therefore you are not beloved by God, to the Jesus is God, but Jesus never said he was GOd. He said he was son of man and he said we are all children of God and one with GOd. Jesus the CHrist came here to teach us forgiveness – not the dumb forgiveness so that you would still live and take abuse from an evil choosing master.husband, friend, etc. but the forgiveness of the Heart, to release your fears and your hates and your validated repulsion from an abuser. If God is limitless then we all exist Within and separation is impossible no matter if you were born in any place of this Earth or in any place of this known Universe. Sometimes groups of Christians are radical and behave just as any other radical brainwashed religion, example Islam. We must grow up and fess to the fact that if there is a Limitless God, then we are all here within the limitlessness of it all to choose the best actions as to help one another achieve happiness and comfortability. Not to continue fighting among each stupid group of humans as to who has the best book for God or the best name for God.
your ability to write should bring you opportunity to dialogue w/authors that realy exist representing God very well. Authentic/funny/grace filled/sound interpretation of the scriptures. i'm just asking, would you give them a chance as long as you are not expecting perfection from humanity.
sad to hear the very core of my being is being represented to you in such a way that makes you announce this so publically/hopefully not for the shock factor. Jesus is the sweetest NAME i know and i know others out here who represent him so well. i'm just saying..... micah 6:8
I'm a little confused at her contrasting statements.
She first states she chooses to quit being a Christian.
Then, at the end, she professes her faith in Christ.
Following Christ does in fact make someone a Christian.
Utilizing the world's perspective to judge those who call themselves Christians is what the world likes to do. Human beings are human beings. We all are not without some level of immorality in our closets of past behavior. No one in the world can claim perfection, except for ONE. God Himself loves the sinner and hates the sin. Inasmuch, I choose to take the same approach.
This is a great argument the world really enjoys using to DIS those who follow Christ. The fact of the matter is, I follow Christ as well. I don't make it a regular practice to judge others. Note, when you choose to judge others for being judgmental, you in fact are being judgmental as well, which in itself is as immoral as anything else. Thus, the circle is small. No one in the world can claim perfection, except for ONE.
To Anne I say, feel free to follow Christ. That's what the rest of the Christians are doing. Inasmuch, feel free to be judgmental toward those you are pigeon-holing to be called judgmental Christians. We're all human, we all make mistakes.
Also, in closing, if I am being "judgmental" in what I am saying, then I am confessing that and bringing that to the ONE who is without sin. There, all better now.
Hmmph. I don't see much improvenent in trading the group delusion for a personal delusion. When we're kids, we're told that to get Christmas presents, we have to behave a certain way. If we misbehave there is not only the witholding of presents, but we'll get terrible, horrible coal!! As adults, we're told that in order to get to our personal perfect fantasy land (heaven) we have to be have a certain way. If we don't, not only do we not get to go to Disney-In-The-Hearafter, we must spend eternity in painful flames!!! Notice the pattern? Such is our fear of death.
Anne Rice, as a fantasy writer, should know better than anyone where all religious texts came from... the imaginations of the authors.
Verify, please verify your facts before posting such sweeping statements. The Quran was revealed to an unlettered Prophet and has not undergone any revisions since. You're right about the Bible and the New Testament though – these have been altered and authored by people.
Muslim: "Revealed" in his imagination - my statement stands.
1. It is possible to love others, while not agreeing with what they do. Few people in the media want to say that – I guess it doesn't sell many papers, but it is true.
2. Most all of Jesus closest followers (the apostles) were killed for saying what He told them to say.
3. A child molesting murderer can claim to be a Christian and go to church – that does not make the Church or Christianity bad. Just because people claim to be something doesn't mean they are just because they claimed to be.
4. It is my understanding that at the end of his life Hitler somehow maintained a mind set that he "honored" Christ but could no other stand the Church and Christianity – that very people Jesus refered to as His Beloved Bride.
What many in the Christian religion forget is that organized religion is man-made, especially the way it is practiced today. I have a lot of problems with organized religion for the same reasons as Anne...there are too many people the church wants me to hate and oppress and require they believe exactly the way they prescribe. People are people and i think we will be judged on how we treat our fellow man on a day to day basis, not on what we were able to make him believe or do "in the name of God".
She's leaving RELIGION, not Christianity – duh!
Anne I am sorry. We have let you down with our greed, lack of love, and lack of service. I guess the way I look at it is...as sinners everyday we are trying to make the best decisions...to demonstrate love, giving, and service, but many times we are stuck staring at ourselves. But Jesus isn't like that...no he's perfect all the way. I guess thats why we need Him...cause by ourselves there's just no way. Even with our imperfections and faults we still need each other at church. Love your neighbor today...encourage one another, and give an old grump a hug. I need it! Time is ticking away...
cough... someone's feeling a little guilty... cough.
Well said. Christianity is the first line weapon of choice used by illiterate cretins to point out not that a person is wrong, but that they are out of step with a bigger group of illiterate cretins. If there were ever a true Christian, I'd like to meet them. I think i know about one or two (1 maybe 2) among thousands. Jesus was that figure who cavorted and associated with adulteresses about to be stoned to death, lepers, hated tax men, the poor and helpless, and overturned the disgusting tables of money filth in public outrage. He also could pretty much do anything for God and Good, but what he didn't do was to bludgeon people over the head with moronic, judgemental, pseudo-pastor nonsense or use it to politic between families in the same town. His true flock is a quiet undercover one who are known by their deeds not their words. Politico-Christian-Republicon judgement is cheap, but the damage done can ruin lives. To Life.
Christianity was never anti-science; though pseudo/false chrsitians such as the Popes were. Cathol;icism is not Christian. As The Wisdom of God, Christ created science by establishing all scientific laws. In HIs word-The Bible-Christ tells us that :the world is circular,and hung on nothing,,,that there are treasures in the snow, life comes from life, fish existed before men, there are many inhabited worlds in the universe, the entire universe is wearing down (entropy), etc...all of which is true, and scientific. It is not Christ's fault that non-Christians who claim to be Christians speak against science. BTW...worshipping non existant beings such as vampire queens is not scientific, or Christian Rice is a fraud, trying to increase the dwindling sales of her books by trying to appeal to a wider range of anti-Christians. She would fellate a dead whale, on televison, if it earned her a few more dollars.
The REAL fraud here is the Christian Church.
She strikes me as a rather intelligent woman. Congrats mam, i left the church when i was a young however i still like Jesus and what he says is amazing. Especially when you read it in context, and dont go googling for flaws of jesus's words like athiests do only to find things taken out of context. Read his actual words and it makes perfect sense
What I would like to know is when is God going to poke his head down through the clouds here and just say "stop this #@!&*@ killing and destroying the earth and wars!" I mean, wouldn't this do the trick? No...we have to have Christians "spreading" the word and "converting" us and telling us there is no place in "heaven" if you don't do this or that. This person or that person is sinner because they are gay or immoral. This is the same group who shells out their money to the likes of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker for you know who's sake! And when for you know who's sake are these "End Days" coming already...its time to put us out of our misery!
I love this woman she is a very talented author. She has more than most to stand and defy all that most believe in.I to do not participate in this so called Christianity or organized religion I got nothing staring at the back of someones head for all of those years.I have studied many forms of religion and the way it is today I believe is NOT what was in mind when it all started many years ago.I am With Ann for I worship God but not the way of many I am still a believer. I do not have to please man but God only.
She should investigate Religious Science. No it is not Christan Science or Scientology. Bing or Google it and find out for yourself.
It is amazing to me to see folks like Bert try to make things so black and white. Anne Rice's beliefs towards God are completely logical, that is exactly what people struggle with. No one denies God because he is Holy, and I am fairly certain that she stated that she believes in God, just not the extremist in modern religion. She is simply stating that God has no more love for someone who goes to church every week, vs. someone who humbly practices her beliefs.
Modern Christianity has become a business, a business that is more interested in what you can do for the congregation, rather than showing the love of Christ. The minute that Christians began openly putting down gays, Muslims, and anyone else who is different on the surface, is the minute that people became displeased.
Anne's actions are looked at negatively when all she is publicly putting down is hate and judgmental people. Wow, that sounds a lot like Jesus Christ to me. Good job Anne, I love God, and everything about him, it seems to people who have it wrong!
The bible was written by people who lived in huts and thought every other person who came along was the messiah. Jesus was a real peson but he wasn't a God. Isn't it more likely that Mary and Joseph made the whole "impregnaunted by god" thing so she didn't get stoned to death, as was the custom for women who were pregnaunt outside of marriage at the time?
Jesus died for all of us because we are sinners. Everyone who attends church is a sinner. It would be nice to walk into a church building and become sinless. Jesus died so we could become sinless in His sight. There is no one without sin.
The disciples were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). Also, Jesus established the church (Matthew 16:18) and that is why the church is so important. The early disciples and members of the church were not perfect but thanks to Jesus they were forgiven as we are. I think most people are trying to do what is right even though we sin daily.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Christainty preach that if you admit your sins and accept Jesus as your savior and understand that he died for our sins, yada yada yada, that you will be saved and "accepted" into the kingdom? Well on that principle, than a murderer who killed 20 while raping and torturing them would be fine if he, just before his glorious (and I would recommend slow and extremely painful, televised) execution "accepted" Jesus, than he's in right? I don't think I want to be part of that kingdom that's for sure!
The old trick. We are all sinners! Then, another sin does not make any difference. I will be forgiven by Jesus because iI defend His religion. I am nor perfect, but I defend Jesus religion!
I am gay, but Jesus will forgive me because I am anti-gay! I kill or support killing, but only of non-Christians, Jesus will forgive me because I support him!
I don't thin Anne Rice was ever a Christian. There are rules, standards, and beliefs that the Bible teachers and for her to walk away just shows me that she was what I call a Fake Christian. She's just another Celeb. professing something she doesn't believe in. You can't leave Christian beleifs without leaving Jesus and if she is leaving being a Christian then she can't be saved. To leave the faith is to leave Jesue and God.
Many thanks to rr for helping to confirm the validity of Anne's decision...
I love you Ms. Rice. Way to go and way to put this issue in such good perspective! I too believe in God, but think that most religious people who follow blindly in dogma are so inconsistent with the teachings of the Bible that it makes me sick. I say down with religion and up with God and spirituality.
You go, girl! I am there with you. There is a huge difference between being Christ-like and being a Christian. I guess at one time they used to be the same, but no more. I moved to the south and found out just how hypocritical many "Christians" can be! WWJD? I think he would start over!
Visit the 911bible com website for a few eye-opening facts about the bible and shareislam com for information on Islam and allahsquran com for translations of the Quran. Peace.
MAKE DUA FOR THEM. I HAVE NEVER HEARD SO MANY MISGUIDED STATEMENTS...WOW. ONLY ALLAH GUIDES. THE HAVE NO PROOFS OR EVIDENCES JUST EMOTIONS.
What a hopelessly American understanding of religion – consumer mentality – democratic principles – individualism – it's all there. Just me and my god – don't bother me with other people. Jeez – when will people realize that the claims of the Christian faith are just too big to fit into this tiny, culturally accommodated package?
These people left our churches, but they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left, it proved that they did not belong with us. 1 John 2:19
That is a typical blind response by someone who has drunk the cool aid. Brainwashing can be found outside the military too. I look forward to the so-called Rapture when all of you will be taken away and then we can have a peaceful loving world.
I recommend everyone read the Preface to the 2nd Edition of Jane Eyre, by Charlotte Brontë, particularly the middle portion between "Conventionality is not morality..." and "...it is indebted to him."
In it, she admonishes critics who call the book blasphemous. Portions of it are remarkably similar in spirit to Anne Rice's quote above.
...I think she is right...I am not really sure who cares.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Bob...trading the group delusion for the personal delusion...she's learned nothing from the experience. Not that is matters, "Jesus" never existed in the first place, she might as well be slobbering over Gandalf.
A true Christian never 'leaves' Christ. Jesus was mocked, beaten & crucified. Tempted by Satan for 40 days. Through it all he never ran or gave up. Does not the New Testament teach us that the end times would bring forth false prophets, division and strife. Yes, in these end times it will be difficult for those who proclaim to follow Christ. After all, does not Satan move about seeing to steal, kill and destroy. The enemy is doing all that he can to get people to leave Christianity. So, what does the enemy do: plant seeds of doubt. And once that seed is planted it is easy to stray. If this heatwave proves anything, hell is no place to be for it is for eternity. No relief and no opportunity to repent. Prayerfully Ms. Rice will return to Christ.
Naughty, naughty: Anne never spoke of leaving Christ; indeed, she said just the opposite, which means ... someone ...hasn't bothered to read the article before posting...
It is amusing to read all of the posts that paint with a wide brush of hate and bias against all Christians. I do not disagree with her choice but the degree of labeling and hate posted on these pages by those who think themselves above such thinking is a shame. Seems both sides of this subject are the same they just can't see it.
There would be those who could think that posting about how ... amused ... you are might make you sound a bit...smug...
Well out of the four 'anti's' she listed, the Bible only speaks about one of them. Makes me wonder what kind of church she was attending.
Ok by me, just don't try to convert to Judaism, please. We aren't a 'try it on for size' religion. We don't want or need anymore Dr. Laura's. The Universalists' are always in the market, though, and they don't care what you believe in or who you worship. You don't even have to believe or worship anything! You can change your mind every day and still be a Universalist.
I feel sorry for Christians as I do anyone else that is brainwashed. One day humanity will look back at Christianity and shake their heads just as we do now with the Aztecs. Religion filled a basic human need in ancient times when we thought the world was flat. People that believe in Christ now have been brainwashed since birth. Some people do find “God” later in life. This is only to fill a void in their lives that could be filled by a prescription.
I have come to believe that the world would be better off without those religious organizations (churches and their ministers) that exist today and in history, a bloody horrible history. Cheers to Anne Rice!!!!!!! I did the same a few years ago, only it wasn't christianity, I had already done that years before. I have a rich spiritual life without a church. I highly recommend it.
The only thing I don't like are her comments on Atheist, I am one, and I don't feel lost. I don't feel we do have a purpose, I think we just are, and that is awsome to me. It means I get to invent my own purpose. For me, my purpose is to live life, to enjoy myself and others. To help and nurture those around you, and in the end, to die gracefully, to give my body back to the world so new things may grow. I use to be a christian, and I don't think there is anything wrong with believing in a God, wether he is real or not. God is good for a lot of people, and as long as they are happy with their life, that is what matters. The problem with Church people, and I include the die hard Atheist in that statement, is them wanting to force their beliefs on everyone, and there judgemental ways are just blah, disgusting.
to heck with religion , keep writing
I think it's great that Ms. Rice is speaking out about this. There are so many people who feel the same exact way she does, but often don't have the courage to let their peers know how they feel. I absolutely agree with her statement that"following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity." Very well said!
I don't get it, is there a door or something? Some things are just better kept to yourself. The constant need for attention is tiresome.
This is what happens when people who don't understand Christ and his objective. He was all that God is and he came to reestablish what God wants; that is personal , intimate, communion with his creation. What happens when people don't know his purpose and the puropse of the gospel of the kingdom of God is they start to rely on people instead of God. When God says in his word to trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not to your own understanding, but in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths. Yes there are followers of Christ who might not display Christ like behavior all the time or how most people want us too, but remember Jesus taught about forgiveness and when we point the finger saved or unsaved believer or unbeliever there are fingers pointing back at us. Her decision was not based on what God did for her or what Christ taught but how she felt. So if you don't feel like foloowing Christ and his ways then don't, but if you haven't for yourself then don't knock those who are. If you have tried to live a life that is pleasing to God then that is the problem you tried, you didn't allow God by his spirit to lead you. God loves everybody, it is a shame that everybody saved and unsaved have not realized that. the way somebody acts is not any bodies job to judge except God, but some many people want to be him because you see judging all the time from everybody. Christianity is not a religion but a personal relationship with God through his Son Jesus. Not our own walk or talk or how we want to do it, but according to his ways of doing things regardless of how we feel or think it should be done. the bible tells us for all those who want to forsake gathering together; to not forsake the assembly of the brethren. If you had a problem with Christians before you got there, you will once you get there, if you don't have a mind change. I live a life that is pleasing to God by having faith in God, and whosoever it is he is using or uses I can recognize him no matter the form of the individual. So yall be blessed and if you really want to know the truth find out for yourself and not from word of mouth. What is said in the beginning is never what is heard coming down the line unless you know it for yourself.
Reply to Non-Christian,
not too smart. You said Jesus not being a Christian. Where do you thiink the word Christian comes from. CHRISTian.
You are joking right?
Christ wasn't his name at all. Looks like religious people make up their own reality.
Without much thought, I would say …
#1 – What as shame for her
#2 – Being an “optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God” is crucial to her. If she believed in the loving God who created the universe she might consider being in relationship to his children (loving one another) and forgiving them for their shortcomings. She might also consider trying to understand what God expects of her (faithfulness, obedience, spreading his kingdom).
#3 – We have learned that Christians do not have to be anti-science and certainly are not anti-Democrat (with thanks to Francis Collins)
#4 – True Christians are not anti-gay or anti-feminist, as pertains respecting the dignity of every human being. But to the extent these two groups promote their “in your face” lifestyles and expect special treatment because of their propensity for abnormal behavior, the badges they are wearing should be opposed by Christians without losing respect for them as persons.
#5 – … “following Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity” I absolutely agree. But I think she has a mistaken understanding of Christianity. I hope she will work on examining her life and developing her understanding of what “following Christ” means.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Christians are the epitome of your quoted scripture. Every human has their own truth. I love what Jesus stood for, but I am saddened by the hypocrisy of humans claiming to be Christians. It is rare to find a Christian that models the teaching of Christ. Christians are the most judgmental body of humans on the planet yet Jesus advised us not to judge.
So, what *is* sound doctrine? How is it applicable to Anne Rice's commentary?
Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
I agree with this statement.
But the Christ of the Bible
She's not a "real" christian...she's completely self absorbed. Ann get a grip! Who cares about you changing your mind. You are being just as pushy about your little life as any bible-thumper...
Obviously, Ms. Rice does not understand Christianity nor is she aware that the majority of Christians do not support or encourage hate groups as do some so-called chritian groups. The basis of Christiani doctrine, as taught by Christ, is to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." How said that Ms. Rice and others have missed that.
Good for her, everyone should leave. Organized religion is the root of all evil
I couldn’t have put it more poetically. She seems to have the right idea and is too intelligent to join the herd.
I consider myself spiritual, meaning respecting and treating others equally with dignity. Christianity, like other formal religions is a form of control— control over ones mind, body and finances.
Meanwhile,too many religious leaders, whether priest, preachers, Emir, Rabbis or whomever seems live by separate rules and code of ethics and "pimp the people"
"Where do you thiink the word Christian comes from. CHRISTian"
You're right, Jesus was a Christian...but he grew out of it.
it's "little christ."
Christianity is nothing more than man created fiction. Study the making of the Bible and early Christian history. Christianity stole most of it's stories from earlier myths and so on, etc. Wake up people. It is a dark and destructive belief system based on lies........and NO I am not an atheist.
I think if you believe in Christ, you are a Christian, right? My question is why would Christ support some of the insanity that is preached by some organized religions ? Why would he support the hate of human beings directed toward others? Why would he support and award the abuse that you hear so called Christians who gather in these public rallies, calling others names and at times even killing them? I think that is what Anne is referring to.
In fact she is specific: anti gay, anti feminist, anti science and anti democrat.
Christ doesn't support anything, followers support Him. He is to be followed not looked to for support. The strength comes from our love of Him, our fear of His Father and the Faith that we are following His example, not our own. Subtle difference but important.
You don't leave true Christianity. Jesus cannot deny himselft. Sad to say you probably weren't a Christian to begin with
Sad to say... you are STILL a Christian. Christianity is a dark negative force we need to protect our children from.
Come to the dark side, just don't show a picture of me if you do!
I gave up on a "Church" when I first heard that others were going to hell because they belonged to the "Wrong" Church.
Was it hot?
Jesus disciple sounds better.
It doesn't sound like she is leaving Christianity unless she (mistakenly, IMO) defines Christianity as what Christians do in Christian churches instead of simply walking with Christ. It sounds like she's merely fed up with how Christians practice their faith and can't relate to that as anything Christ would find acceptable.
Nothing she said indicates that she is distancing herself from Jesus Christ. I would think that still makes her a Christian, just one that doesn't want to identify with any Christian church or Christian social/political movements.
Spot on. Believing that Christ was the son of God is the definition of Christianity. To leave Christianity you have to convert, become agnostic, or become an atheist.
CSMITH: I left Christianity long ago. Thank God. Because I came to the truth that the stories surrounding Christ, simply were not true. It was man created fiction. Also God cannot exist in the primitive, childish version that Christians have created. Thankfully millions of others are learning this too......I am not an atheist.
That is why it is called Faith. It is never easy to follow. But if you follow it, ya gotta follow it. If she can't, I respect her choice, disagree, but respect. Hope she is right because eternity is a lot longer than our short time on His earthly world. Sadly, the bible confirms the very very things she can't live with so if she is counting the authors of the Bible as being "followers" then she is a gamblin kind of gal! Good luck Ms Rice. Hopefully will "see" you later.
Her reasoning reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." – Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)
Well, her vampires and ghouls will be there to call upon when she needs spiritual comfort!
The God of smite, hatred, diversity and intolerance will miss you.
A most sanctimonious statement from a pope in the church of self. She thought, she said it. It must be true. Stop the presses-someone who wants to makes her own rules, and IS holier than thou.
They way I understand it, there was only one perfect man and we crucified Him. He left His place in Glory to become one of us so He could reconcile us back to God. Because of His death and ressurection we now have the opportunity to spend eternity with Him in Heaven. He gave us a Book (Bible) as instruction and sent His Holy "Spirit to lead and guide. I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ, To be a Christian means to follow Christ or Christ follower. Jesus wasn't anti-gay, anti- femnist, or anti Democrat. He was however very specific about what sin is and our ight to choose to sin or not to sin according to His Word not our interpretaion. He loves everyone and died for all. What we do with that is our desicion.
I COULDNT AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!
LADONNA: I feel sorry for you. You are completely brainwashed. You are believing in man created fiction. Your post is a perfect example of what we need to protect our vulnerable children from.
I'm disappointed Anne. This is all a publicity thing. I'm sure you are getting geared up to flood the market with more witch and vampire carp. You know at any level the church will not be happy with that, but it is your decision. The telling tale will be within the next two to three months. The great thing about God is you can walk away...your decision...free and clear. You know the consequences of writing things that go against the teachings of Christ. If you are comfortable with it, so is HE. The fact is God effects your financial bottom line. Don't let Him stop you from making that next 20 bucks. Everything you wrote about was a lie. You just thought you'd make a million on Christian books as a "converted person"...Christ instructed his apostles to build the church. Not the synagogue...the church. There are real live mortal imperfect humans within the church. None are Christ...perhaps taper down your expectations of people. Of course you Ms. Rice would be perfect right?? (walking away laughing and waving)
Your level of discompassionate rhetoric and red-herring volatile diatribe is amazing. I would love to tell you of your badly-understated need to grow up but you wouldn't be able to hear me over your own laughter.
Actually, Dee sounds rather ...jealous ...
"a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand"
Good, now she is an unrealistic theist in a world she pretends to understand.
Make believing in Christ doesn't make him exist anymore than believing in unicorns make them exist. I am glad she has escaped the chains of organized religion but she appears to have a long way to go in accepting that she will never understand the universe.
THERE'S A AWAKENING IN THE WORLD TODAY THATS SENSING WHAT MRS RICE IS EXPERIENCING.ITS NOT ABOUT RELIGION,MANS CHURCHES,POPES OR PREACHERS,ITS ABOUT SPIRITUALITY,GOD IS TALKING TO HIS PEOPLE,HE IS PICKING THE ONES WHO LISTEN,WHO READS AND UNTHERSTANDS THAT JESUS IS OUR SAVIOR AND THAT HOPE,FAITH AND LOVE IS HIS WAY OF SAYING,THIS IS FOR EVERYBODY AND NOBODY IS ABOVE HIM.
I'm sorry to hear this. I'm sorry that the Christians she was surrounded by didn't teach love. I hope someone tells her of the LOVE side of Chritstianity.
If you're looking for God, Jesus and spiritual guidance, churches and organized religion are the last place to look. They turned their back on spirituality long ago.
I quit Christianity once I found out they were paying to protect pedophile priests and paying millions in settlements with victims.... that was 20 yrs ago. Now the church has probably paid 1 Trillion dollars to victims. I distance myself from all organized religion. It is the root of all evil in this word. It starts all wars. I just sit back and watch as this planet self destructs due to a belief in some, man-made GOD. Man created god, god did not create man.
Hi Paul. I'm sorry to hear that you think peadophilic priests and the church practices were part of what Christ really taught and reason enough to stop loving the Lord. Jesus did not and will never have subscribed to that nor does it please Him. Do go back to reading your bible and I hope you'll see (if God has mercy) that your stand as a Christian is not determined by what a church does, but what Christ taught through His life, and who He had claimed to be.
As for Anne Rice, she's right to a certain degree to be not anti-gay and anti-feminist because Christ loves sinners (which includes everyone, morally conforming to society or not) and came not to condemn but to save. Being called a Christian is merely semantics but you'll just confuse people by saying you're not a Christian when you're a follower of Christ... why not show them by your life that you are not anti-gay, anti-feminist etc etc?
You're not supposed to 'forsake assembly,' meaning Christians are not supposed to isolate themselves from each other. Perhaps she was just in a bad situation? I also fail to see how you can be pro-gay and be a full gospel believer.
We all fall short of the glory of God. Because someone is gay or pro-gay does not make them any less of a christian than yourself. You may be more of a bigot, or a racist, or lie more than others.. We all are accountable at the end, even you.. If you fail to see how someone can be pro-gay and still be a believer then you really don't understand humanity and the relationship we each individually have with the Lord. A human being only truly get's judged once, and it is not by you.
Dee: First of all....People are BORN gay. It is not a "sin", ....It is an innate, biological, God given part of a person.
I couldn't agree more with her! I'm right with her! I can't stand contemporary Christianity anymore but I love Jesus Christ and all that he stood for.
It's not about following what all of the other "Christians" do and don't do, it's about having a relationship with God not following a religion.
Just to clarify: To all those stating they WERE christians but are no longer, you delude yourself. You never were. One is becomes a christian when God regenerates your sinful heart and gives you a new nature. This true work of salvation is only of God, and it will not change. Unfortunately, many equate intellectual belief in God, Jesus, His teachings, with salvation, but Scripture is quite clear that Satan believes these same things. Opinions are a dime a dozen, especially in an era where truth is relative, but God has determined how we are to be reconciled to Himself, even if it appears foolish to a host of CNN posters.
This "God", if it exists, and is omniscient, as claimed, knows *precisely* what it would take to assure each of us, in our own particular way, of its existence. (Hint: It is not by spouting nonsense like above).
You're absolutely right, David: opinions ... are ... a dime a dozen. Next!
david: NO such thing as Satan. God wants you to Grow up.
verify – good point. but just because an omniscient God would have the ability to make himself completely known to each of us doesn't mean that He should, or even that it would be in our best interest for Him to do so. Could it be possible that He has other things in mind than what we think is best?
I totally agree with you Anne on your reasons. However, if Christ is your center, then you are a Christian. Being a Christian doesn't lump you in the same category as other people, you are just more of a compassionate christian, the way God intended. God Bless.
Yahweh was a complete psychopath no matter if you are Christian, Jew or Muslim.
Super true. Any being who could do what it did to Job has to be a sick and twisted individual.
Yahweh was a complete psychopath no matter how you read it if you are Christian, Jew or Muslim.
I too understand and can sympathize. I only hope that she continues from a different vantage point to speak to the truth of Christ to those both in and out of the church. And that she can find support through similarly minded Christ followers.
I am not anti-gay, anti-liberal, anti-feminist, or anti-science. But, I believe in Christ and that he died for my sins. So, no matter what, I will always be christian.
Confirmation bias is why theism is still around.
I'm astounded and delighted by the almost 100% support Anne Rice got on this forum. We atheists blame organized religions for their evil lust for power. But I now have some hope that many religious people are more concerned with common morality and seeking inner peace. Which is wonderful!
Most of them believe you and I are going to burn eternally in a pit of fire. Not so wonderful.
What a fool. You don't "quit Christianity"... you quit claiming to believe Jesus is the means to salvation. And to be able to make the claim she's "quitting Christianity" shows she never really understood what being a Christian was in the first place. Shes only ending a failed experiment.
Sadly, I agree. Based on her comments above, it's pretty obvious she was never a Christian to begin with.
I just love how at at peace you are with it all, your non judgementality is what make people want to barf and run the other direction, and I know a few of them. We are everywhere. Try the 2 commandments of your god, brother. Thats what your so called enemies are doing. IF you can. Can you grasp that wise one?
Being a Christian is to be a follower of Christ, Himself. Not his followers. There are always rowdies in any crowd. This announcement is just a call for more publicity. UGH!
I feel sad for thsose of you who have had bad experiences with churches and as a result, have turned your back on God. Being a christian is simply being "Christ Like". The most important thing is to live the closest that you can to the bible, that is our roadmap to Heaven, that is how we will be judged, this is where our strengh comes from. But you must have a realatinship with God first. Yes, churches can be full of hyprocrites and backstabbers, but if they are preaching from the Bible (how we will be judged) then you need to only be concerned with YOUR walk with the Lord. Get to know HIM, Jesus is pretty awesome.
Once again a terribly misleading headline by "cnn snooze" She didn't leave Christianity. Christianity is the act of following Christ, or having a relationship with the ONE TRUE God. She has left the organized church.
Just happened to come across the article and saw the huge number of comments. Why do some many of you care what she thinks or does in regards to this? How does this make any difference to your life?
And why do you care....what we care to comment on?
Because we can. Why did you bother replying if you didn't care?
I agree to a reasonable extent with Anne. We have a relationship with the God who created this universe. Much like a parent with it's child – You love the child no matter what. I, too, struggle with the term 'Christian'. I prefer to simple see myself as someone who loves His God and who avoids that scourge of this world – religion – man's attempt to control his fellow man – often through hatred and fear. Not for me. Galatians 5:1 says it all: "It's for freedom that Christ has set us free." We are called to accept and love everyone. This does not necessarily mean that we need to like what they do. Well that's my take on it.
I don't quite understand what her point is. She believes in Christ therefore she is a Christian. We certainly have our choices as to churches – certainly the American Episoplian Church is not anti-gay or anti-feminist, The United Church of Christ isn't anti-gay or anti -Democrate (Obama belonged to that church), you can be a Unitarian and believe what you want. You can even start your own church. The religious right can't tell you what to believe or how to worship – it's a free country even if the fundlmentalist are trying their damnest to destroy it.
What denomination did she join??? I'm a Christian and see no problem with science, being gay, liberal, or feminist. Jesus brought us the word of God that we should love each other, help each other, and forgive. As long as you actively follow his teachings, you're a Christian.
Amen Anne! I am a Christ follower myself...not a follower of those that proclaim Him!
She certainly hasn't renounced her faith, rather, just the association with those that are not Christ-like.
OH MY GOSH...I feel so sorry for you atheistist people. The devil has a hold of you good. What sad ignorant people. "The fool has said in his heart, there is no GOD". Wow...and you people won't have everlasting life. Too bad for you dumb idiots.
What a marvelous gift Kim has offered: everything from "atheistist" to "sad ignorant people" to withholding everlasting life to the irresistible "you dumb idiots". Whatever could Anne Rice have been thinking of when she chose to leave the Kims of organized religion behind...?
Just saw "Dinner for Smucks" – Kim would fit in perfectly ...
Kim, I feel sorry for you ... you have a fear of not being loved, you have fear when you die too... so your mind is helping you with FICTION ... wake up .... be honest to facts, and free your fears .... there is NO GOD.
Wow. Well if Kim's words don't sum up exactly what is wrong with Christians. Go back and read what you wrote, Kim, and then ask yourself who the ignorant one actually is.
I am a christian but I am not anti-gay, anti-liberal, anit-feminist, or anti-science. I think you just have to find a church that agree with what you believe. Different churches preach differently but all agree that Christ died for our sins.
Anne's statement is somewhat confusing. By saying she quit Christianity it sounds like she turned away from Christ. Any true follower of Christ should not be involved in the practices or beliefs of Christians that do not follow Christ. To rebuke these groups absolutely makes sense. But there are many people and churches that proclaim they are Christians and they are absolutely following Christ. To follow Christ you definitely don't have to call yourself a Christian, but in today's society, many Christ followers would be labeled Christians, by others and themselves. So I feel like her statement was a little harsh but to hear that she is still following Christ is great! I too follow Christ and when someone asks me about myself I usually say I am a Christian.
Churches have been political movements not spiritual ones. The government needs to tax the ones who are supporting any political cause. I understand what she is saying, I have never ever found a church I felt comfortable in.
Amen lady! I also say no to religion yes to god..=)
Its about time people realize how corrupt organized religion is.
Christ would most likely be offended by his own followers. Bunch of close minded Hippocrates
Anne Rice can't change the Bible..
No matter what she thinks socially or politically. I think it's funny that so-called Christians think They can. Well...actually funny is the wrong word.
She may be disenchanted with "Christianity" but you can't follow Jesus and simultaneously "quit". Worshiping God and being a part of a "church" is crucial in following Christ's teachings. Anne should read the Bible more. As Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew: "Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Or in Romans: Romans 12:3-5 "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others."
It's too bad that the "Good" Christians don't make more of an effort to wrestle it away from the jerks who get all the air-time rather than running away and quitting like this.
Rain falls and the tremble of the saints are being felt like bones from the dig they will be shook. These are the days of trying times for our souls are weak to the constant bombardment of the hollows of death it is time to cast a time or for God is ready to reap his harvest we are afraid indeed but we as followers of Christ will see a new leaf, for the fig is drying rapidly…
"Outside the Church, There is no Salvation" is still the teaching of the Catholic Church regarding Catholics who forsake Holy Mother Church.
"For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23) Even Christians are sinners – what sets a Christian apart should include acknowledgment of the need for redemption through Jesus Christ. If a person makes a choice to become a Christian (or a member of any other religion) based purely on the people within that group, they will be disappointed and let down, time and again. Christianity should not be about what political party you associate with, what civic causes you support, or whether or not you believe in global warming or the big bang theory. Christianity should be about one thing, as Jesus said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" (Matthew 22: 37-39) If a person is truly following these two commandments, all the other issues will fall into place. I will agree, it is very difficult to find outspoken Christians these days who have truly humbled themselves before Christ and "walk the talk," but this is a human issue, not a Jesus issue, and shouldn't be the basis that an individual chooses to follow Christ from. Christianity should be about pure, unadulterated discipleship to Jesus Christ. And nothing else.
Many churches also preach random things that they come up with on their own I guess? My church is non denominational and they read only from the bible, not some random books. I am also surrounded by loving happy non judgemental people which makes it very comforting.
Followers of Christ are Christians. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It was not a term created in modern times. It has been a term used since the days of the apostles:
* Acts 11:26, "and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came about that for an entire year they met with the church, and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."
* Acts 26:28, "And Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."
* 1 Peter 4:16, "but if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but in that name let him glorify God."
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ka-Ching! That's the sound of Ms. Rice's personal cash drawer. It's ALL about money.
A while ago I went camping with friends and in one conversation I mentioned that I was reading the Bible. The reaction was negative: "we are not talking to you anymore...! "They were joking but I knew there was a little bit of truth in what they were saying. It made me sad. I wanted to tell them to read what Jesus said about loving your neighbour and your enemy and forgiveness. But I knew they were not going to be opened to it. It's true a lot has been said about Jesus and unfortunately as a mean to create divisions. What Jesus said helps me to deal with every day conflicts. Do you know how hard it is to love you enemy and your neighbour!!!!? Even Gandhi mentioned Jesus. Believing in Jesus doesn't stop me from having friends from other backgrounds and religions . I know one thing for sure. God is Love and he wants us to get along.
She let herself get totally distracted by the politics of the people who run various Christian segments, rather than concentrating on the one thing important OUTSIDE of Christianity and WITHIN Christianity: SAVING HER SOUL. Everything elses in life is just a distraction from the real goal for each individual; SAVING OUR SOUL.
I am proud to be a Christian. Jesus Christ is my Savior. Nothing can ever separate me from the love of my Lord. Laugh at me, sneer at me....do as you please. But the day will come. As it was in Noah's time, there was sneering and laughing and boasting and the only place that it got them was into the Great Flood. Some one recently asked why I believed in an outdated Book. It isn't outdated. There are no new sins. Only the sins we have in the world today are found in the Ten Commandments. Yes. There are new mechanics to those sins, new ways of committing them, but no one has ever been able to create or invent a different sin than those. Ancient? Yes. The world will always be around us – We as christians, are not of this world but simply in it. I love my life as a christian. Thank God that all the other junk cannot attach to a true believer. But we still have to have it around us for a while yet.
What about cloning humans? Or using stem cells in research? They didn't do those things in biblical times. Which commandment covers the Morning After pill? Or posting a video of your neighbor in the shower on the internet? What about food additives? Can you be absolutely sure that one of the 258 chemicals in McDonalds' french fries wasn't extracted from a shellfish? Is watching tv idolatry? Is watching American Idol idolatry!?
I am not anti-gay, but I may not agree with their lifestyle, and I will not bash them. I am not anti-Democrat though many of the Democrat side do not hold my views, especially the more left leaning. I am definitely not anti-science but accept God as all knowing of every science and law, which He imparts to us as we learn to accept the laws and rules they are predicated upon. I am pro woman and do not believe any man has the right to 'own' a woman but that the woman is a partner with man and a man with the woman. Just because I don't agree with the things that some people do it does not mean that I am anti anything. I believe in Christ, I hope in Christ, and I strive to do what Christ would do. I study Christ and scripture knowing that men have imperfectly quoted and acted in His name. Funny, even most Christians don't think I am Christian.
Keep the faith! And you KNOW you are a Christian when most other Christians do not believe you!!!!! I'm sure they feel the same way themselves.
"their lifestyle".........their "lifestyle" is created by God and nature my friend. People are born gay, the way the creator intended them to be. People do not choose to be gay, they are born that way....from birth. Educate yourself.
Not that Ms. Rice does not possess a certain celebrity, but why is this item appearing here, rather than on Belief Blog? Could it be that CNN's religion editors do not wish to acknowledge that the conscience of many sincere believers propts them to abandon the Churches which continue to preach one thing, but do another?
Thank you Anne for having the courage to announce what so many believe in. I too have the same views on churchology and Christianity. I have called myself a Christian due to not having a better 'label' to place on my faith in God. Now I see more clearly that there is no label needed.
Thank you.
I left Christianity five years ago. I'm free now, I don't need a supernatural explanation. Truth is much better than believing in a 2000-year-old story concocted up by ignorant and intolerant people.
I quit Christianity once I found out they were paying to protect pedophile priests and paying millions in settlements with victims.... that was 20 yrs ago. Now the church has probably paid 1 Trillion dollars to victims. I distance myself from all organized religion. It is the root of all evil in this word. It starts all wars. I just sit back and watch as this planet self destructs due to a belief in some, man-made GOD. Man created god, god did not create man.
I was hoping that when I saw the alias "Jesus" there would be some hilarious commentary to follow.
You, sir... need a happy meal.
Organized religion is horrible.
It wasn't Christianity as a whole, "Jesus." That issue with pedo priests is in a certain denomination. But before you go and say "all Christians are the same" give what you said a better thought.
I wish you folk could see through my eyes. Christianity is a genetic mental illness curable only through true introspection and rational thought.
Why does god need to be worshipped? Sounds like he needs some counseling.
Hats off To Anne! Being a believer in Christ and being a Christian are not one and the same. Intolerance, being judgemental, and acting hateful are not okay no matter what religion you hide it behind. American Christianity has become q
You see in a religion what is in you. They are a mirror for those that want to see there own shortcomings. Strive to let go of the false in you and live the true. Good for Ann RIce.
So?
Yeah ann you tell em. No more anti gay, anti femminist. Etc groups. You should join islam. Where as christians only disagree with gays etc islam kills them outright.. oh llove that you are against anyone who's disagrees with dems . Got forbid the the dems who are racist power hungry facist wannabe dictators have any detractors. No your racsist facism is ok cuase you are doing it for "the good of people" course what do you expect. From communist...oops I mean democrats..wink wink...yep cngrats rice you jus prooved how dumbocrps libs are exactly what we say...stupid selfish and mean
Can you please compose your thoughts before posting. Republicans and Democrates, Liberal or Conservative. There is good and bad in both, you seem to love these "buzz" words. If you don't have complete thoughts or a common narrative then just stop posting and wasting valuable discussion space. I supported Republicans in the past, this past election I supported Democrats because I believe the majority of Republican politicians are trying to come to power by destroying American unity, they (I mean politicians and the upper crust of the party, not the average Joe) are the party of division not unity.
It is refreshing to see more and more people come to understand the sickness that is Christianity.
Anne Rice is only trying to stay mainstream and make a living, too bad Jesus is once agian finding his Judas. Hope that her 30 pieces of silver suffice her in hell.
Kudos to the Bishop for confirming Anne's good sense...
What a terrible thing to say. Shame on you! Is that how you encourage people to find Jesus?
Does this mean she'll be writing more crappy books?!! God help us!!!!
"Legendary author Anne Rice." Most of the world would disagree with your assessment.
Some people will do just about anything for money–write a book, write a blog. It's not the money–it's the amount. Being faithful didn't sell, so try another subject.
But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
Amen....
Its America. You have a right to her opinion. However, it seems to be the modern trend of people to say "this is not what Christ meant..." just because it is not what they personally believe. It is not for people to dictate to God as so many try to. So, while I question her statements of previous faith (based on what I have read that she has written and motives, it is her right.
Anne,
Open and Affirming United Church of Christ (Congregational) churches embrace and encourage our gay, feminist, scientific and Democrat members. Come see and check us out. Our allegience is to Christ our inspiration and our Creator God.
Who cares????
CNN hit the jackpot with this article. Leave it to CNN to post a "religious article" that has produced 1,253 comments. Mine will be 1,254... way to go, CNN.
I think she is correct about the need for a New Reformation. I think it's coming.
We are all taking ourselves a bit too seriously. Why do we make simply loving and caring so complicated?
Ever hear the expression, "If you're not part of the cure, you're part of the problem." This woman sounds like something out of Flannery O'Connor's WISE BLOOD–she wants to be part of the "church of Christ without Christ" at least if she can't make the rules. Narcissism?? Duh.
EXCUSE ME, EVERYONE, CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
Thank you. I'd just like to say that this week, I'm giving up Christianity. Yes that's right. After years of trying, I just can't reconcile their distrust of radioactive carbon dating of Precambrian trilobites. Any questions, concerns, comments, or any indication that for some f***ing reason you care in the slightest, please post in reply.
The were no trilobites before the Cambrian! And radiocarbon dating can only work for fossils less than ~100,000 years old, because the C-14 half decay period is too short. Still, I understand what you are trying to say...
See, that's what the Christians WANT you to believe.
Also, now that my f***ing email address is up, please send me more information about how I can be bigger, harder, and last longer. I don't get enough of that stuff as it is.
I live in a beautiful world where love of family, partner, neighbor and self is central to my existence. Religion requires me to suspend my intellect and integrity and become a credulous, non-questioning sheep.
Jim, I hate to burst your bubble, but my Christian beliefs are solely based upon the understanding and illumination of the written Word of God which says.. "'Come, let us reason', declares the Lord" (Isaiah 1:18). It's a bit hard to reason if your intellect is "turned off". Just sayin'.
One line in Isaiah does not a book make.
PHIL: The Bible is the written word of MAN, not God. It is the most error filled, forged, and corrupted books in history. Sorry to burst your bubble. Educate yourself.
Donald, please tell me, as you are FAR FAR more obviously educated than I, how one could suppose a supernatural spiritual being that exists transitional to our own conceptual dimension – WRITE ANYTHING.
Maybe I don't need to educate myself as much as.. oh, I don't know.. YOU DO!
Everyone says read your bible, follow the teachings of christ that are written in the bible....please tell me has it EVER been proven that he actually said and did those things?? The bible is nothing but an interpretation of someone else's writings.
I applaude this womans decision. Ghandi once said " I like your Christ but I don't like your christians. They are nothing like your Christ"
Then Ghandi knew nothing of true Christians. If you want a good example of the genuine article, google on Karla Faye Tucker.
In regards to Anne Rice's decision to "quit Christianity", I will leave you with this one thought: Those of you who have read C. S. Lewis' books on the Narnia series might be familiar with the scene toward the end of "The Last Battle", when the young follower of Tash is in heaven before Aslan; Aslan lets him into heaven, much to everyone's astonishment, because of his pure heart and desire to know truth above all else. Now, wouldn't that be interesting how this could apply to someone who is pro-gay, pro-Dem, pro-fem and pro-science?
And BTW, you are aware that calling yourself a "Christian" anyway is off considering the original term was (Latin experts, speak up now) coined by the Romans as a term of insult to the newly-formed body of believers, meaning "little Christs" as if each follower was a little version of Christ himself. The New Testament reflects this in Acts to some extent, BTW.
Good luck with that "life everlasting", LOL...
I can understand where Anne is coming from because some folks I know who claim to be Christians, seem to be the meanest people and they break the church doors down. I just don't understand it because "God is Love" and "Jesus is based on Love" and you even suppose to love your emenies so how can you mistreat someone who suppose to be your friend. I'll with Anne, as long as I have that personal relationship with God, I believe that's what's important.
AMEN! FINALLY! I know EXACTLY how she feels! Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour, and I've never been happier since walking away from the self-righteous, narcissistic, judgmental, hypocritical "Christians" in my life! How liberating it is to be a loving , compassionate follower of Christ! God Bless You, Anne.
Aren't you just now being judgemental?
So she has an epiphany, declares to the world her "new" feelings/beliefs and God is supposed to thank her? What is she selling? Or is it just to get her picture in the world press?
God loves the sinner but hates the sins...
Just because things feel good and right, doesn't mean they are good for you...example: Drinking; it makes you feel good but in the long run it isn't right for your body, your everyday life...etc...
The Bible is the truth- even though we might not like to follow what it says in there or don't agree with it- it doesn't mean it's not the truth!!
Religion is the creation of the Devil. I believe in God but not religion. Christianity is a perfect example of the devil at work. A network of Hypocrites. I totally understand.
Spoken like a true Christian!!!!
Gandhi said it best. "I like your Christ. But I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
“My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me," Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
So very beautifully said. My sentiment exactly.
Oh, and all of you who say that "Christ is your lord and savior" and yet claim to not be Christians sound really confused... Christian = Follower of Christ
No it doesn't. "Christian" comes from Latin as an ancient Roman term of insult for the new believers; this is reflected within the New Testament book of Acts; the term means "little Christs".
"The Bible is the truth- even though we might not like to follow what it says in there or don't agree with it- it doesn't mean it's not the truth!!"
No, lots of other reasons make the bible not the truth...
"Religion is the creation of the Devil. I believe in God but not religion."
LMFAO
Laughing at another person view. Spoken like a true Christian!..
What a shame that Anne didn't do a little more research. I can fully understand her comments about SOME churches (believe me, I've been there, done that) – but there are still plenty of churches out there that she would find a comfortable home in.
I am so happy that Anne Rice is finding her own path and beliefs. I am a Taoist who strongly believes in following your own nature. If you belong to a church or a group of people whose beliefs conflict with your own, you are going against Tao, you are Yu Wei. But to be at peace with yourself and with the world around you, you must be Wu Wei – going with Tao as if you are going with a softly flowing river. What Anne said was beautiful. If you let people lead you through your life for you – no matter what you believe in – you will never find true peace, beauty and happiness in life.
Most people aren't secure enough in themselves to toss off cultural indoctrination in favor of really looking for themselves. I agree that looking outside of the doctrine is even more rewarding. You can still embrace the teachings of all the great spiritual minds.
Why does god need to be worshipped? Sounds like he needs some counseling or medication.
Well, for starters, "he" doesn't exist. There is a natural force that obviously exists, but humankind created the image of it as a man and then sidelined women from full participation in human life. We can see evidence of the force in evolution, love, etc. I think it's Natural; nothing Supernatural about it. I sense it when I see a sunrise or play with a beloved pet. No doctrine needed.
I do caution Ms. Rice, were she to read this, and I would love for it if she does (I would have the most supreme guided tour of New Orleans EVAR!), that the importance of separating the concept of Christ from his followers is utterly paramount in this situation simply because Christ, by definition alone, cannot be the "sum of his parts", i.e., you can't expect to find Christ by his followers for the fact that 2,000 years of "getting it wrong" should tell you thusly: Christians have it historically wrong.
However, for those who believe she is "waffling" from "sound doctrine", dare I ask you this important question: How fluent is your ancient Greek to know this for sure? Considering that we're dealing with translation and linguistic issues, Septuagint notwithstanding – and please don't make me have to go into the differences between "Yahwistic" and "Elohimistic" doctrinal approaches to Old Testament references from within the New Testament "kerygma" – can you confidently tell me that the God of absolute definition, being thus absolutely perfect and cannot not be otherwise, can only be represented by pretty, white, anti-gay, farm-bred Republicans who violate Old Testament law by wearing "clothes of two different fabrics" and yet judge Anne Rice for her disillusionment with.... YOU?
I have always believed there is a difference between faith and religion. Faith is something within each individual that connects them to a Higher Power by whatever name, while religion is but the expression of that faith. One can have faith in Christ as one's savior and follow His teachings, but one does not necessarily have to belong to a specific church to do so.
Ms. Rice recognizes that. Her faith exists and is solid. She is merely choosing to separate herself from religion, which is a human invention and, all too often, subject to human flaws, prejudices and outright hatreds.
Church is a gathering of people to worship Christ. Church is made up of humans and their many imperfections. Christ is perfect. You'll find great people and not so great people in any human collective. To truly live a Christian life is not easy but very rewarding, as is told in the Gospels. However you can get there, with help of others, no help from others, just get there. I can pick apart my church but that would be in vain to put my station above theirs. That will not get me closer to Christ.
God Bless
I agree with Anne and Ian Anderson, "He's not the kind you have to wind-up on Sunday"
In Jesus' day, the resident religionists also tried to get Him to lead a political uprising. He refused. All too many of today's "Christians" are bent on doing the same. But there is a growing community of believers trying to live by Kingdom principles.She would be welcome among them. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." The reverse is also true.
I completely understand what she is saying. She is not denying Christ she is denying the religious people. There is a huge difference. Just like the Pharisees then there are many so called Christ followers that think it is there responsibility to point out others sins. There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ. So when did we fit in there? We are causing more chaos with our judgmental ways. No wonder we can't get any sinners to convert. Who wants to be around stuck up arrogant people who say come be like me. Please!
Being a member of a Christian community generally means worshipping God in how you live your life. Most Christians depend upon prayer, study, communal worship, and the support of other Christians to do this on an individual basis. In addition, the Christian community is directed to work as the body of Christ in a group effort to achieve and fulfill Christ's mission on earth. You cannot fulfill all that Christ intends for you if you abandon the Christian community. It is a cop out to complain about the flaws in the church and the sins of its members and quit as a result. Instead, you should be prayfully working for reform. It is not easy to be a Christian today, but it never has been so.
This literary giant meant she was quitting Christendom...true Christianity is a way of life, not some members only club.
It's time for a new world of people who are "Spiritual but not Religious".
Jesus said to believe in HIM, not give all your money and then tell any young male children to spread for pervy priests.
They say the Devil's greatest triumph is convincing the world he doesn't exist. I say it's religion. And, by far, most people's refusal to believe centers around how "Good Christians" they knew behaved. They'd mock "Pagans" but then behave just like the "Hottentots" did by having a priest wave his "Magic ju-ju fairy that can horribly torture you forever if you don't obey."
Because of people like that, I did not believe.
Then I had an 'experience' and now do believe in God.
But, he didn't tell me to burn children with hot irons and stand on street corners screeching with a megaphone and handing out "Chick Tracts". Remember when JC got resurrected an earthquake shattered the temple and laid the "Holy of Holies" bare. That from that day forward no man could claim to be between Man and God. Sadly, it's a lesson man didn't learn.
Anne Rice is still following Christ, so this headline doesn't really do her justice. I don't blame her for being frustrated with Christian culture and she is certainly right in insisting that her faith has nothing to do with following other people. She is right to insist on following the standard set by Christ himself. That said, I have been a member of the Christian community for some time, and I am glad to report that the ignorance and bigotry often used to stereotype Christians is overplayed in the media. Sure, some Christians conform perfectly to the stereotype, but I see my participation in this community as being important; I need to help fellow Christians overcome some of these human failings (just as they can help me overcome mine). It would be easier for me to run away from the body of Christ because they are not perfect, but then again, neither am I. I only hope that Miss Rice will choose to be involved rather than to simply retreat. The body of Christ could be strengthened by her involvement, particularly in the areas where she sees it failing to live up to Christ's example.
You can't say you love Christ and not follow Him. He told Peter "upon this rock I build my church" The churches in the Bible met and Jesus and apostles visited and wrote them letters about conduct. People are evil, not the concept of people coming together in one place to learn from the Bible and support one another. Christ will be coming for His church "people" some day. Even Jesus was baptised by John. It seems that some of the most horrible and worst cults are classified as Christian when they represent maybe 10% of America's Christian community and you are always hearing about them in the news. The church in this age is ineffective because leaders are only saying things that do not offend followers. Everybody wants to change the word of God to "have it their way" The churches in this day and time are the churches described in Revelations....the churches that sit on the fence and are lukewarm, are neither hot or cold.
No matter what you believe, it is always wrong to kill unborn babies. No God or prophet would ever approve of such attrocities......
1John 2:19 – These people left our churches because they never really belonged with us; otherwise they would have stayed with us. When they left us, it proved that they do not belong with us.
Luk 9:62 – And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
If your worship Christ, you are a Christian.....what else would you be?
I'm sorry that Anne hasn't found the right way to worship in the Christian faith, though I somewhat doubt she tried finding a proper church home to speak of. To say that Christianity is anti-Democrat is quite narrow minded....it would come to a shock to many Dems in the South.
A little message for Christianity ..........copyright by the sender
THE MONEY MACHINE
Beware the sinners who forgive our sins
the devil is on his way
there's no forgiveness for you that forsake
you'll pay on your judgement day
The headmaster sits on his golden throne
and his flock still kneel at his feet
but the wolf of lies is creeping closer and closer
and will soon scare away the sheep
It's sad that the king of all kings
is defamed by a man who claims to lead men
but it seems to be that he doesn't believe
in the message he was sent to send
It's all become a money machine
not the reason that it all began
and once again man's greed gets in the way
of the messenger and the message he tries to send
You can run but you can't hide
you can repent and apologize
but this time you can't right a wrong you've done
to the people....in the name of the son.
It's the only Christian thing to do.
"And before you rant, measure your emotion-laden reaction and with what Jesus would recommend were he sitting next to you.".....
If Christ came to America today He would vomit at the sight of our churches. Our churches are dominated by hateful, stiff-necked fools.
Wow, where are all of you, I live in Colorado Springs and am suprised I have not been lynched yet (for not going to church every Sunday). I am a believer, just not of organized religion. I believe that Christ did walk on this earth, and tried to TEACH (not preach) his fellow man about helping, caring, loving each other. He never had a church, he never taught to hate, he never said we had to go to war over THE correct religion. I try to live in a "state of grace" and help my fellow man when ever the situation arises, I think that is all he was asking of us. I so get where Ms. Rice is coming from, I just wish there were allot more people out there i.e politicans who would follow suit.
and we care......why?
Ms. Rice...I feel the same way.
You know we are all just guessing to a degree. but, I dont think the lord JC ever intended churches to be like the massive churches are today.. in dallas,tx most churches care more about building basketball courts, volleyball courts or going to some remote country.. rather than taking the time ... to make sure their neighbor wasnt going to hell... i wish it were different. but thats my experience.
Quoting Jesus as if you spoke yesterday is frankly absurd.
A tiche ironic that somebody named "Wisdom" spouts nothing but bible verses. It sort of exemplifies the ludicrous piety with which many religious people conduct themselves. So sage-like! Spouting ancient desert poetry written by power hungry barbarians who were mostly interested in mind control...really sort of the anti-education. Pretend to know everything without actually having to study anything but one book.
I assume you have some kind of knowledge in a trade. How did you learn that trade? Were it to come from an instructional manual, you were misled. After all, it came from one book. We all know that you cannot derive true source of knowledge in anything from one book, right? So quit your job at once, you're not qualified to work there.
BTW, I said this yesterday to you. Were you not listening?
Nobody here has any idea of what they are talking about.
KKKristians! It's all the rage.
She might be happier with Buddhism. She should give it a try.
I love religion and how convenient it is to just bounce around.
It is amazing that in 2010, people still believe in a little man in the sky.
to believe in a little man in the sky or to believe we materialized out of some random occurrence in the galaxy that was begotten from some other random event. Well, what spawned that random event? At some point, there must be order to the "random events", potentially even being the complete and utter randomness of their taking place....
What a brave woman to come right out and say what so many have only been thinking.
Brave? She's a coward.
First – for lying about the basis of Christianity, and second for talking talk. Talk is cheap. Anyone can turn their nose and 'whatever' these days, there is nothing courageous about it.
Congratulations! Welcome back to a world free of self delusion. Religion is a cancer. Religion has no place in the world when it fails to embrace the reality that human nature is not fully realized within the narrow, judgmental and outdated description of just what the human experience is about. Address tea-bagging for example: The fraternal "hazing" placement of ones testicles upon the sleeping head of a colleague as a photo op. The world is far broader and complex than its narrow, outdated, distorted and repressive parameters of just what the human experience is. It fails to recognize gay fathers and Lesbian politicians, and multi-race children and life after death and reincarnation and addiction and zillions of other permutation of existence. Good riddance.
Pretty much everything you stated at the end of your post is recognized, addressed, and synthesized in the Holy Bible, the central tenant of Christianity. Just thought you might want to know that...
Utterly biggoted falsehoods. Almost everything great in history was done by people of faith. Of course a lot of misguided actions can be made by people who think that god is talking to them. Many of them unfortunately are preachers.
And you are clearly a hypocrite for being a member of a nation who's #1 recipient of foreign aid is Israel – a nation based solely on a hypothetical and non-rational view of the world. You realize that, right?
She said exactly why I am not a Christian, I believe in a loving and powerful God, but also a Loving and Powerful Goddess. People who teach the word have not lived by it and then spread lies to a flock, it says in the Christian Bible(and other holy books) that if you do teach the gospels wrong, you will be judged. Way too many racists and bigots in this religion, but also in any religion. I can't say though you ever heard a Wiccan cause a war for it's religion!
These Wannaba Christians are the reason why Christianity has fallen! they have themselves only to blame!
What she said has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity – she should be sued for defamation.
If I were to come out and accuse you of false thing and use a popular press outlet you would be rightly infuriated.
And on the eighth day men created God in their own image.
and did She look anything like Me?
I'm a Christian, and I'm not ant-science, anti-gay anti-democrat or what not.
Clearly the author is a rather uneducated bigot. In Sweden, where 75% of the population belongs to the state Christian Church, she would find her moral values quite well accepted amongst most people including Christians.
Sounds like someone is simply trying to recapture her prior fanbase (what with the recent revival of vampire interest) by rejecting that (her faith) which alienated a lot of them. This has publicity stunt written all over it – I guarantee a "new" vampire book is months away from being announced so she can cash-in on the craze.
Why doesn't she say the name Jesus? I wonder if she has been following another christ. Jesus said that there would be many false christs. it makes me wonder.
10000% backed. Today's Christians ARE NOT Christian they are PAULISTS. Any, who I found Nichiren Buddhism as taught through the SGI. Perfect fit, I am in charge of my own destiny
I went through years of Catholic school, and to say it was horrible would be understatement of the year. I remember they (the faculty) would do anything they could legally get away with to break you, your self respect, your dignity, and your esteem. And this wasn't the break down-build up tactic... they broke you down and you stayed there.... if you let them win. I refused. I remember reading the Bible- on my own, because this didn't ironically happen during class, and I remember reading the words, love, kindness, forgiveness and everything they didn't exhibit. It was EVERYTHING they were not. My fellow students unfortunately "lost" themselves. I didn't give up on God or Jesus, I gave up on those people at school. God wants people to love and enjoy a good life, not dread it or dwell in hate or evil. So, I knew, as young as I was, that people treat each other that way, despite everything Jesus taught us, and what he gave up for us. It is important to remember, Satan and his followers come in many many disguises, including those of cloth. They are those who feed off of doubt. Satan is the king of doubt. Do not doubt your faith in God and Jesus. Do as much good as you can in life, and live happily with the other beacons of light and goodness around you.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FOLLOWING CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY.
Lets not confuse things. Christian means follower of Christ. But the word has been corrupted by the Church, the man-made Church, of many denominations, not just one. Anne is really not leaving 'Christianity' per se she is becoming a more authentic follower of Christ, by leaving organized religion behind. Jesus himself railed against established religion and their corrupt leaders in his time. I would like to see more followers of Christ focus on the message of the Gospels, rather than the messengers. It is not easy to be an authentic, imitator of Christ (Christian).
I could not agree with her more, I have tried SEVERAL Christian chuches and they are all the same. I can't be part of a group, ANY group that spews so much hatard and nonesense.
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RIGHT on sister for saying what so many of us wish we could. I did what you did a long time ago.
~smiles~
I totally understand why Ms Rice feels this way, but I wish she had made it her goal to find those Christians speaking and living the truth. There are alot of 'counterfeit' branches of Christianity out there but the truth can be found...who knows they may be going from door to door nearby.
Is there some kind of ceremony for quitting christianity?
Yes, press releases.
Shocker- Hold the press this just in- another Godless learned liberal comes out against Christianity. This is just another excuse for a selfish unrepentant life. She never was Christian and in if she was she never understood what it meant.
Sadly, based on the statement she made, I think you're right. I have a lot of sympathy for her but it seems, in the end she is the type of "believer" Jesus describes in Mark 4:18-19. Very sad. I will pray for her.
This just in! Another unlearned, self-righteous, conservative idiot making sarcastic, snide remarks. "Dude, watch me make fun of someone just because they don't agree with me! I'm so awesome!" Yeah........that's really "Christian" of you. Looks like she's not the only one who doesn't know the meaning of Christianity.
Interesting that she hasn't quit being a Christian, but has instead chosen to leave "organized Christianity". As a Christian I am frustrated by the same things that frustrate Ms. Rice, but I'm surprised she wasn't able to find other Christians that think the way she does. There are plenty of groups of Christians (churches, if you will) that are very tolerant and open minded. It sounds like she's just tired of being associated with reactionary Christians. Her views remind me of Sinead O'Connor's views.
No truer words were ever spoken.
God bless her for having the courage and wisdom to speak out.
case in point Salem Mass; 1692.
keep writing girl.
There is no meaning behind Christianity other than worshipping a man hanging on cross so that you can have all of your dirty little thoughts and then have someone to hang the blame on when you are caught acting out your dirty little thoughts.
I had bad experiences with a few churches in my early years. They were more like social clubs in the way they treated outsiders. Hard to get in. Even as a small child, I knew these people were, by and large, insincere and even uninterested in what Christ represented. They were interested in your money and making the building bigger. I led myself to Christ, and never needed to cross their theocratical thresholds to do it. I do enjoy learning about all religions, and especially sacred texts, like the extra-biblical materials (the other gospels and books that did not make it to the Bible, but were considered by Constantine's guys) and the scholarship surrounding later found scrolls. Often I have wondered: "Jesus, please save me from these Christians!"
Although I see where she's coming from, quiting 'Christianity' in the sense of leaving the church may not be such a good idea. I'd rather see her become a good influence to the people around her who must be the reason for her leaving.
In my humble opinion, a Christian is a follower of Christ. If Jesus simply left people and didn't die on the cross for them (because of they are hypocrites or what not), there won't be any christians in the first place. If we call ourselves christians and understand the true meaning of what it is to be a christian, we should actually go back into the world of fake christians and be the salt and light for them. That would be a true 'follower' of Jesus.
Of course you'll be saved as a solitary christian too but Jesus called us to go out to the people and not to leave them behind.
for what it's worth, there are such good churches out there like my current church which I love. I hope and pray there'll be more good churches spring up to change their communities for the better, as God intended.
exactly, well said
guess what, if you are an "optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God", then you aren't very pro-science! better work harder at that. There's magnitudes more evidence for Santa than for that.
Didn't she really stop being a Catholic.Seems to be just a question of semantics.If she still follows Christ then she is still a Christian: adjective of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ and His teachings: a Christian faith. etc
Anne Rice had a choice to go back to being an atheist and I cannot understand why she didn't do that. I was born to Hindu parents but have absolutely loved being an atheist – quite frankly, I think of it as an experiment. For first 25 years, I believed in some form of God, obviously Hindu gods. Then I decided to ask the tough questions and decide to live without a belief in god (and no harm done to me so far!!). It has been a liberating experience. Turning to atheism did not give me a carte blanche to behave without restraint – just made me happier because I don't have to blindly follow ritualistic requirements of "any" religion. I'm not here to trash Christianity or any other religion specifically – my only appeal is for others to ask themselves this: if there is indeed God, would he/she put conditions in order to benefit from his/her love and affection? Isn't that more of a human quality? Which self-respecting God would allow the disparate treatments his/her disciples receive in different parts of the world? (And no, "God works in mysterious ways is not an acceptable answer").
All the poeple who believe in God and have at least committed one sin, please commit another – turn to atheism, try it and then go back if you don't like it. I'm sure there are different ways to be forgiven in every religion.
Many churches are a den of thieves, run by hypocrites, and collecting money from the masses to fund the lavish lifestyles of its greedy leaders.
Jesus told his apostles to give away their possessions and follow him. Unfortunately, religion is written by man for man. You won’t seeing this happen anytime soon with the fat cats on TBN!
True spirituality is divine!
Who is she and why would anyone care? Is she a tranny pop start like lady gaga?
I understand what Ms. Rice is talking about. I, too, have left "religion" and the huge amount of control that goes along with it. My ex husband is gay and so is my son. One of the questions I had to ask myself when searching for a church home (many moons ago) was to ask myself, "Would my son and ex husband be allowed to be who they are while attending this church?". More often than not, I knew they would not be allowed to be themselves, and they would have to hide behind a false front so as to not be told they are sinning and would be told not to come back. It's time to shake up the church world and call for the churches who practice hate to REPENT!!!! They are the ones who are sinning.
I understand where she's coming from, and I agree that the biggest problem with christianity is christians themselves. But, that being said, I have always felt her conversion, and now this, to be mostly for publicity's sake. Sorry, just my feeling.
LOL so true CATom
On the one hand, I have sympathy for her position. By the same token, the stance she articulates fails to take into account the call on each Jesus follower's life to love the very people that God loves... even when they are unlovable.
Not all Christians are that way. Book sales must be down.
The "tea party" of Christianity, but hopefully much more loving in spirit and true to the golden rule
Also, I might add that generalizing is very dangerous. Not all Christinas are all what she said.
If she made such general statments about any other religion, I wonder if CNN picked up on it.
jesus was a man. a regular man who did not walk on water nor is he coming to save you.
religion amazes me! i am forever amused at how many people believe in it's corrupt prose.
writings that were done hundreds of years from when the stories took place, yet "they believe".
do you really think if you don't do anything "bad" (whatever that means) and if so, confess you are going to some place with pearly gates and angels? really? wow.
look at the world around you?
all the priests abusing our boys, stealing of money, corruption....
spirituality, i believe is something different. believing in yourself, your power, your mind. YOU.
instead of using a figure as a crutch. if you really look at religion it's just a way of tuning in and realizing that you do posses the power.
Can god make me a drink, I'm ready for Friday. (jack & coke please)
I think Ann Rice is just someone who is confused about herself being and is simply seeking attention and throwing herself a pity party. What a crock!!!
Sounds like Anne's now a potential Scientology recruit.
Ann Rice didn't leave Christianity, but religion. I go to my Baptist Church about 1 to 2 times per month, but most often I read my Holy Bible and it fulfills through the Holy Spirit to deal with life and how to better myself as a man with character, sanity, and compassion for others. As I read one time, religion is man's way of reaching God and the Holy Bible is God's way of reaching man. My church is a place filled with honest people, but I need my own time to worship and my bible is a great study bible. It has easy to read details of every verse in red that explain the verse in question. Many things that I thought were correct were in fact incorrect. Good luck to everyone and you have to find your own way but don't give up.
More harm than good has been committed by the "holier than thou" crowd throughout the ages. Just look at The Inquisition, for one. God will still love Anne Rice as she follows Him deep in her heart and not her fellow man who is many times, (scratch that), Most times wrong in their assertions of what Biblical teachings to apply in order to justify their personal hatred and prejudices.
We are, after all, Saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ not by that of man's. If man wants to continue to shed his blood for a personal cause agenda, then I pray for him. May God soon open their hearts to realize the danger in so doing. The hate and prejudice must stop. God is not amused. Anne has it right! May God bless her always and my only hope is that everyone will stop to consider the Importance of becoming a Born Again Christian, that is, giving their life to God and accepting Jesus as their Savior, through Jesus Christ. It is the only door that leads to eternal Salvation in the Afterlife. Don't try to find out the hard way, the alternative is terrible and of course, eternal. Praise Jesus Christ now and forevermore! To God Be All the Glory!
The humankind needs to evolve. Nevermind god here comes dark matter.
You don't have to be Christian to live like Christ.
My early life as a Catholic made me live in fear and guilt over anything that broke the rules of "Catholicism." I later didn't believe in anything but science. Lately, I've begun thinking there is a fine line between science and religtion, i.e. quantum mechanics, string theory and the great religious unknown. I think the Bible is a metaphor, a way to expose people to the unknowable, the transcendent, and not to be taken literally. I distrust fanatics and fundamentalists of all kinds, whatever their religious persuasion. They are not thinking with reason, but with their emotions. I would be quite pleased if – at the end of the day – we are all together in some better place looking back at all the idiots on this earth.
Does god get gas, I had beans for lunch and now I have gas. Does god get gas when he has beans?
Christianity in the world today is a far removed corruption of the first century teachings of Christ. However, Christ himself was very much “anti'-AIDS,” “anti-divorce and broken homes," “anti-lying in the name of science” and “anti-corrupt human rule", and was an advocate of perfect government by God.
Just don't be a crummy human being.
Here's my thoughts as a Christian on Anne Rice's "leaving Christianity."
http://reallifewithgod.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/does-it-matter-that-anne-rice-is-leaving-christianity/
newhere, Am I to understand you've never cited a quote or an article as something that represents what you believe? Did you expect reallifewithgod to regurgitate the whole essence of the article here, in a comment section? I can only assume you have absolutely no argument against the article (you read it right?) because instead you attack the poster.
Here are my thoughts as a Christian on Anne Rice's "leaving Christianity."
http://reallifewithgod.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/does-it-matter-that-anne-rice-is-leaving-christianity/
in other words you dont have your own thoughts and have to refer to an article written by someone else. Being incapable of thinking on your own is the Christian way.
What she is describing is the Christian culture and is neither true Christianity nor Christians reflecting the love of Christ.... it's an absolute shame that Jesus is associated with people who seem to hate; criticize; reject; condemn; judge. Jesus was the most maturely and perfectly loving person to be on this planet. He had boundaries and, yes, He established guidelines but He gave those to us for our own safety (much like a parent does). If He did instruct or confront something in somebody, He did it firmly AND in love. Christ did not, and could not, overlook or ignore sin but He loved and He still loves people over and beyond that. Christians are not called to ignore sin but we are also called to love others in spite of it... At the end of the day, it is not rules and exhortations but love that transforms and it is the love of Christ that is the most transformative. I wish Christians did a better job of demonstrating that and living out the true love of Christ.
AMEN ANN RICE – you took the words right out of my mouth!!
Why is this a news story?
it's actually in the entertainment section dum dum
No Justin, it is not a news story. Note that it is under 'entertainment'. I have found many here who are of like mind. I suggest you read ALL of the blogs. You may learn something about being 'reasonable'.
You do not have to belong to a specific religion to be close to God. I was baptised a Catholic and look what has happened to that religion. It is full of pedophile priests and the ones that aren't pedophiles protect the ones that are. What will Jesus say to them when they go before Him? I stopped being a catholic when all this came about. It is sad when even the Pope is involved.
Why, I've a good mind to quit Brunettism since I've just learned that Matt LeBlanc was a fake brunette all these years!! But, I'll not quit muff-diving, although the news that world's worst actress Sara Gilbert has officially joined the muff-diving community was a slight turnoff due to her looks and acting skills, nothing, I repeat: NOTHING, can dissuade me from some delectable muff-diving....
I and Im sure Anne Rice agrees. The all american pastime.
For a very brief and shiney moment when I saw this article I thought "finally – now she can go back to writing well!" – then I saw she left christianity but still wanted to follow the teachings of christ? – Oh well maybe another will come up to take her place as one of the greatest writers of all time.
How sad – and true. Fundamentalist Christians are like any other fundamentalist of any other religion – bigoted, intolerant, and angry. Even hateful. I bet she could find a liberal church that isn't like that. We did.
haha you must know she was prob never christian in the first place.. writing all those vamp stories... I DARE ANYONE TO youtube or GOOGLE John Todd.. and research the illuminati... this "woman" is probably part of their plan..
BOHEMIAN GROVE VIDEOS are all around go watch people... JUST WATCH .. dont listen to me... JUST GO WATCH for your OWN EYES to SEE!
I suspect this B was never a Christian. I may be wrong, but if I had to guess her room in hell is already reserved. However, I may be wrong..... This woman wanted the safety of being a Christian (i.e., not spending an eternity in hell), but wanted to continue with her lack of morality. Just a guess.
Thanks for showing your true Christian colors..... ignorant, selfilsh, judgemental. You represent people of faith so well.
This woman wrote books about witchcraft and vampire p0rn...how did she ever consider herself a christian?
Because anyone, no matter what their past, can be made new in Christ. Don't doubt her conversion. Neither you or I know anything about it. But if I had to guess, based on her statement, she is probably like the believers Jesus describes in Mark 4:18-19. She needs our prayers at this time.
Because God can truly Move Mountains! It is through the Power of His only Begotten Son, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, that those who have been misguided and mislead, truly caught up in dark matters of the world, can emerge victorious and whole again by accepting Jesus and instead entering into the Light of God! Praise Be His Holy Name. But each person continues on their own path due to free will choice, that much is certain, but I will tell you this, the Light of Salvation beats the eternal darkness any day! Why take a chance on that when the alternative to Salvation has such dire consequences?
By the way, you and other unbelievers may wish to read "Thirteen Witnesses from Hell" by a servant. It will answer many of your questions and you will see what can truly happen to those who do not believe.
What's that got to do with anything. You've obviously read them.
First it's pray on Sunday and hate on Monday. Then it's hate on Sunday and social and literal violence on Monday. The doctrines of Jesus Christ had nothing to do with that. It's the churches that came later that invented that. They continue to push this and for some I'm more on the side of believing it's about control and money than being a zealot. Whatever the case it's generally a group of people that are pushing a set of morals and doing so immorally, offensively and with malice with the obvious effort to cause undue harm to other human beings that just seek to live and let live. All morality is lost in segregation and discrimination of any people that live their lives while doing no harm to others. The fact that someone is gay has no bearing on other humans. Going after someone else because they are does and it is immoral and hateful.
I'm gay, I'm a feminist, I'm all for science, and I vote Democrat. Heck I live in San Francisco. On the side note, I'm also a Christian who go to church almost every Sunday. I don't see while these must be mutual exclusive.
Plus by definition, a Christian is someone who follows the teaching of Christ. Apparently Anne Rice still do. Yeah that article is kinda confusing.
Religion is nothing more than a means used to control the masses, or one little boy i.e. your local priest buddy.
I quote "Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck.George Carlin"
Need more be said?
Gandhi had about the same take on Christianity. I love Jesus and I can't wait for him to return and kick those money changers who took over out again. The money changers taking over the temples were a problem in Jesus’ time too and that has not changed.
I think the big problem with organized religion (and Christianity is not alone in this) is it works on the idea we are separated from God and therefore need some kind of intermediary, a priesthood or some form of framework to have access to God.
Personally I believe this is entirely wrong, and would go so far as to say organized religion is an evil manipulative deception, motivated by power and greed and a desire for control. How can we be separated from God? We are conscious beings and all part of the universe and therefore emanations of God. The denial of that is nothing more than a blasphemous and idolatrous illusion and makes no sense anyway. LOL
Of course it is up to the individual to come to such conclusions for themselves. Enlightenment is a personal journey. The bottom line is no one can be enlightened on your behalf one either sees it or one doesn't. However there are many forces in the World which would rather keep you in the dark.
If you want to see the light, you won't find it in organized religion, that's for sure!
Anne is right. The church has become a league of the self-righteous, the politically-minded, and ultimately, the hypocritical. It's rare that we find humility in the church today or a transparency to discuss our own sin with one another.
However, it's a shame so many Christians become consumers. If it doesn't give them what they want, they move on, find a new church, practice a new way, etc. Anne is no different. She refuses to recognize CERTAIN things the Bible calls sin, making her faith one of relativism, which is not following Christ. If she thinks she can truly follow Him on her own, she's sorely mistaken. The Bible is saturated with the importance of community (no matter how broken and sinful), which leads to accountability, fellowship, and sanctification.
Today's "believers" have either adopted the aforementioned pick-and-choose method of Christianity, or a Pharisaical approach–that what they DO will in some way gain them favor with God. We've forgotten that Jesus already did it all on our behalf. Our righteousness is but filthy rags. Mine, Anne's, everyone's. Let's hope she remembers this, and from there, allows what her Christ represents to take precedence over her culture's self-serving worldview.
It's unfortunate that we have to distinguish the religion from the belief, but because so many people have used and abused the church for so long, we do. But don't throw out the baby with the baptismal water! There is a strong movement in America and throughout the world to return to the teachings of Christ rather than the adulterated teachings of his "followers." It's an exciting time to be a believer. Google "emerging church" and discover the body of Christ alive in the world today feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, loving enemies, and actually DOING what Christ said to do instead of rationalizing it away.
Jesus came to save sinners which we all are( that is all)
Bob, that is the hardest thing to convince some people of the world about. Their worldly life seems to take precedence if even just for now. They unfortunately do not stop to think about the Hereafter and the consequences of what will happen to them, their soul, if they pursue a path of evil. I suppose they wish to find out for themselves if there really is a Creator to whom they will one day answer to for their sins. Some even seem to think that they are 'self-made people'. That they simply emerged from a tree, the ocean, or perhaps from outer space somewhere. Their delusions are consuming them but the Truth will soon become reality when they leave this life and enter into the Eternal one. There are no mistakes. We have a Creator and though some do not seem to believe that, if they could return to tell others what they saw once they left their physical body, it would be an entirely different matter. But by then, as you well know, Bob, it will be too late. The time to follow Jesus is Now and thereby guarantee Eternal Life. The choice is theirs.
Anne Rice claiming christanity is like the catholic preists that molest children claiming christanity. They never were. God does not desire the destruction of evil men, but that they repent and return to Him.
I AM HERE TO TAKE YOU SOUL YOU SINNERS. AHAHAHAHA.
If you went into and orchard and you viewed a plant and this plant had fruit on it and you saw that this ripe fruit was about the size of a baseball and was orange in color, you would make a judgment and would probably think it was an orange. Upon tasting of this fruit, you could confirm your judgment. However, the fruit did not make the tree/bush but the bush made the fruit. So the fruit cannot dictate to the tree who or what it is but the tree dictates what the fruit is. Now on this tree there are fruit that do not look like all the rest and do not have the same flavor, same maturity. Some may be underdeveloped and some may be overdeveloped ( rotten). So in Christianity there are those who are in the same stages.
A orange tree does not produce apples. So if the tree says it’s an orange tree it will not have apples hanging from it. Likewise, if an apple should attach itself to the orange tree it does not change the fact that the tree is an orange tree. So there may be ( I’m not judging ) that may say they are Christians that really do not know that they really aren’t. They are confused because THEY are DOING all the RIGHT THINGS ( or NOT DOING some things ).
Jesus always confronted sin but did not judge the sinner. BUT Jesus told the person to turn from the sin. He did not grade the sin on a scale, except for blaspheming the Spirit. The point most of us( believers and non-believers) miss and disregard is Jesus told the people to turn their back on the sin. This cannot be done without the Spirit of God/Jesus controlling our lives and this will not happen unless we allow Him in. When it’s all said and done, there is a choice to be made. On the day Jesus died there were thieves on either side and on that day each of them HAD to make a decision and they did. It was ONLY to one Jesus said “ Today you will be with me in paradise”. Jesus did not condemn the other theif, but he condemned himself. And so it is today.
A Christian never wants to see anyone go the way of the unrepentant thief on the cross. A Christian only wants to warn of the consequences of not turning to Jesus. The Bible tells that this Gospel ( the Good News of Jesus saving grace ) will seem as foolishness to those who do not make the correct decision. Jesus loves you all and so do I. Please understand His invitation to abundant life today and eternal life forever.
Leave it to the very open minded and intellectual people out there to show their bigoted side. Anne can do whatever she wants, but all these types of stories do is give an avenue for those anti-christian bigots that don't understand what the religion is all about. They cling to their priests they call scientists and bleat out like sheep in awe as these sages stagger them with things they don't understand. Come on you hypocrites....just admit that you don't understand anything more in regards to scientific topics like quarks, evolution or genetic drift than the average religious person understands immaculate conception, Trinity or the Apostles Creed.
If the Jesus of the Bible actually existed, he was a decent philosopher. A god? Not likely. Ann Rice may be on her way back to atheism but with optimism instead of pessimism towards a world she now better understands.
I was going to say that she is just another lazy pseudo-intellectual who wants it both ways-to be 'spiritual' but not to have to deal with being a member of a religious community, but then I started reading some of the comments here a decided it would be lost on you numbskulls
"...she refuses to be “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”
I guess because she is PRO-Democrat, she believes all the rest, as that has long been the Democrat propaganda. Too bad.
Would love to encourage Ann, and others who have the same perspective, to check out Unity. Unity's focus is on Jesus as our teacher and way shower, our example not the exception. We are each called to express Christ uniquely, individually. http://www.unity.org for more information!
Thanks Joanne for mentioning Unity. I was just going to post that Unity is NOT anti-anything and it does use Jesus as our perfect way-shower In fact, Unity embraces all paths one may travel to understand God. Most of the post-ers should check UNITY out.
I'm not I“anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science”, BUT I AM “anti-Democrat.”
P.S. Christianity has nothing do with being anti-anything.
"We are conscious beings and all part of the universe and therefore emanations of God. "
Its precisely this kind of magical thinking that makes it nearly impossible to have a serious conversation with a truly religious person. How does one have a serious conversation with someone that thinks they are an emanation of an omnipotent being? Once you buy into that fundamental aspect of religion you have no reason to not believe in the other fantastical aspects.
Were did you get that quote from?!
god is like santa, but instead of giving stuff out, he takes it away.
I believe in God and all the bible says, But I don't relate with Christian teachers anymore. Too much finger pointing.
If you believe in Christ, you're a Christian. It doesn't mattter if you belong to any if Christianity's varieties. Christianity is not "anti-gay", "anti-feminist", "anti-science", or "anti-democrat". Ann Rice may or may not be a Christian, but apparently she is a mis-informed bigot.
Next stop for Anne Rice. Revelation!
"I'm a lesbian!"
Congratulations: you gave her the 15 minutes of fame she really wanted. For the record, nothing about her ever seemed Christian in the first place. If you're going to denounce something, at least give its practice a good effort before you denounce it.
I think religion in general has everything to do with being anti-intellectual. Where else can you read one book, then claim to know the truth of existence.
I don't know, I read Playboy once and I'm pretty sure I know the truth of existense. Yowza!
A good example of intellectuals not knowing what they are talking about. This "one" book is in fact numerous books put together through out the centuries and through many different cutures such as: Pre-Caananite, Egyptian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Greek and Roman. To imply it's "one" book is just a lazy way of trying to diminish it when the person knows virtually nothing about it.
I am concerned that the article implied that Ms. Rice thought that becoming a follower of Christ meant that she should follow His followers. Those who follow Christ are sinners. They do quarrel, they do disagree, they do deal with hatred. That is why they need Christ.
I commend her focus on the Cross of Christ. Personally I diagree with her on all the things mentioned in the article. I am conservative, I am pro-traditional marriage. I don't think I hate others, but I have failed at times to do the right thing. but I think it takes a discerning mind to seperate Faith in Christ with following the "christian" crowd.
Ann Rice, I hope God blesses your life and continually leads to back every day to the blessings that you have been given through his death on the cross. While we may agree on nothing at all in this life, I can call you Sister in Christ.
The LORD is my Shepherd.
I shall not be in want.
He makes me mingle with gay people.
He leads me by streams of clean air and water.
He restores my life
because he wants me to do the right thing
by conserving the planet's resources
and preach against the killing of unborn babies.
Yes, even when I walk thro the shadow
of evil Christians and false Conservatives
who encourage the killing of unborn babies by the millions
by their contamination of the planet and increase in CO2
I will not fear their evil plans, selfishness and prosperity cult.
For Your uprightness in these environmental issues are constantly with me.
Your command to conserve both life and planet – they comfort me.
You arrange a table of true Conservative agenda before me
as an affront and insult to Christians and Republicans who falsely claim to be Conservative.
You ensure that I walk proudly with my head held high
against those who kill the planet,
who care more about their personal belongings
and how to conserve their personal assets.
My cup overflows with understanding of what I really need to Conserve.
And I shall prolong my dwelling in the presence of the LORD all the days of my life.
Oh that proves everything, thanks for the insight. After that astounding proof that god must exist all non-believers will certainly throw themself at the foot of god. When you can actually have an intellegent debate in your beliefs then let me know.
INTELLIGENT not intellegent.
oh that helps your point. Again, once you can hold an intelligent debate on your beliefs then let me know.
It is just a lot easier not to be a Christian. As the saying goes, Christ loves the sinner but not sin. Even in Jesus's time so many people would not follow Him because they loved the world more than they loved Him. Jesus didn't die so we could continue to sin. People want to define their own religion, one that fits their own belifefs and lifestyles. Any believer of Christ will always be in conflict with the world. Christ said so himself. It is ironic that 1st Amendment rights don't apply to Christian's.
I wonder how many more have been driven away because of the fundamentalist religious right!
Millions! Count me as number one. Reading some of these comments just drives the whole point home.
I totally agree with Anne. Glad she has the courage to speak her mind.
Hello Anne! Welcome to being SBNR (Spiritual But Not Religious).
Lot's of people feel the same way you do.
Join us on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/sbnr.org
Listen to yourself!!! Read what you just wrote about someone else. Was is compassionate, was it helpful, was it kind? No it wasn't. The things you are saying are so un-Christlike. That is why folks like Anne and myself have rejected Christianity – not Christ. If one can say awful things about someone, think they are better than others because they are Christian and be completely intolerant of others, then I would call he/she an UNChristian. Jesus must be ashamed.
When the catholic church says that ordaining women is on the same level of sin as pedophile priests, that just tells you how one christian church is so misogynist.
I guess Ann Rice is right in one sense: the teachings of the bible are anti-gay and anti-family destruction (she called it "anti-feminist"). She got a few things wrong though: the bible says God created life; it never said he couldn't use evolution to do so (I'm guessing this is mostly what she's referring to with her "anti-science" comment). Also, it's not anti-Democrat b/c "democrats" are an invention of men, specifically those in the U.S.
As for her decision to leave the church, the kingdom of heaven is not for everyone. God respects her decision, so much so that he will allow her to make it, even though it means she will separate herself from him as a result.
Thou shall warp words to justify ones beliefs
She mentions anti-democrat because that party is more prevalently anti-Bible and pro-man's wisdom.
Sorry but there is no room for spin here:
"And God went on to say: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” And it came to be so."-Genisis1:24
Sounds like someone needs to drum up some publicity for her new Lestat novel.
I thought the very same thing. In other words, Anne–who gives a crap?
Keep your heart steadfast on Christ the LORD, and not on people. People will disapoint you, but not a loving GOD. As a christian I all to understand what you are talking about, But it is the LORD who shall direct you path not those around you
She misses how science, gays, feminists, etc. are anti-God (Christ) Christ asked a simple question in Luke 6:46, And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? If you are a disciple of Christ, you are listening to him and practicing what he says. Christ does not hate gays, he died that they might repent and be saved from the consequences of sin, just as he did for all sinners. Christ does not hate science, he is the force behind it as he created all that exists. (see Colossians 1:16) Christ does not hate women, but did make them different from men and charge them with different responsibilities just as each of us has differing talents. The women is not inferior because she is a woman, but makes herself less in God's eyes when she refuses his will for her, just as we all lose God's favor when we are disobedient to his will. Anne hasn't quit Christianity, she quit a religion that doesn't align with her ideals. I hope she can be awaken to the fact we are not found pleasing to God on our terms, but his. (John 12:48) We must do ALL that he has commanded. (Matthew 28:18-19)
'I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows.'
It's funny how many opinions there are on Christians here considering none of us have ever met any.
Guess your confessing to not know what a Christian is...John 8:31-32 & 1 John 1:6-9
I agree some churches are just buildings and agree you don't have too go to one to find God. The best sermon I ever heard included a reference about the Bible, an acronym for "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth". If you beleive this is God's message and it provides you guidance to be good and do good unto others, then I'll use it as my guide.
I really wish the so-called (and supposedly HUGE numbers of) "good" Christians would make more of an effort to wrestle Christianity away from the backwards hypocrites and the bigots rather than running away from it. I mean, Jesus was, if nothing else, a revolutionary. Revolt, people!! Bring Christianity back to Christ!
Ok, but no more christmas for you.
Anne Rice still sounds like a Christian.
Not if you use Jesus' teachings as a guide for comparison. You cannot uphold sin and be a friend of Jesus. He came to rid man of sin, not comfort them in sin. See Romans 6:1, it is plainly stated we cannot continue as before willfully sinning (going against God). If we reject Christ, who is the way, truth and life, we have no other options for salvation from sin.
To Ann Rice:
A while ago, an assistant pastor at a Southern Baptist church told me,
" I love Christ, it's just some Christians that I can't stand."
You should not reject Christ.
I completely understand that you might reject organized religion.
However it sounds that you're confusing Christ with politics.
Need to remember God defines what/who is a Christian, in fact, Jesus is the one who adds those who should be saved to the church. (Acts 2:47) A Christian is not someone merely calling Jesus their Lord, but one who is doing what he taught. A Christian cannot please God and hate another person. 1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? Christians hate sin, and cannot condone it.
This woman needs some mind clearing and maybe some basic therapy. She is ungrounded and lost herself ,over the decades. the hectic schedule of writing demands to fiulfill her contract..Cracked from it in my opinion. Very self obsessed blocked person and I hope she gets help and becomes free and joins us as just another human on the globe. Wake up dear.
Sounds like she was never a Christian to begin with. When she judges God and His Son Jesus Christ and His Holy Scripture (Bible) by what she sees in other people, man made doctrines, and "religion" instead of getting in and experiencing and understanding God herself because of Jesus, then she's not experienced being a Christian.
If she truly had, nothing else would've mattered and she would've made it her life long mission to teach those "in" the church to love ALL people as God loves them without having to compromise His teachings and bring them ALL to repentence.
Most of that doesn't make sense. Not entirely dislike the belief system you prescribe to.
It makes me happy to hear when people stop putting faith in a bunch of stories (pretty cool ones though) written by drunk shepherds wandering in the desert. I think she should have gone a little farther. The rest of it is made up bunk also.
What a closed minded point of view and understanding. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the Bible. Funny how so many think they are superior to those of faith when they show their ignorance on a subject so blatantly as you just did. How about you go pick up the book and read it and so a little research before you decide to show your hate and bias.
I fell in love with Jesus; it hasn't been as easy with his church. I wish the church wasn't so inflexible.
Sounds more like you fell in love with the notion of Jesus on your terms not his. Jesus is forgiving not flexible, and that is a profound difference. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Note, the broad flexible way is not the way of Christ. Matthew 7:21-27 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Note, how people who believed they were Christians, called Jesus their Lord, and did many works in his name, were not recognized by Jesus as his, but cast off as sinners instead. The last four verses there form the words of the kid's song regarding the wise man and foolish man. Note, how the wise man according to Jesus is the one who hears (learns) his teachings and follows them. The foolish try to decide for themselves what is fine. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. In 2 Kings 5, Naaman was seeking God's favor, but when he found it, he rejected it as foolish and turned away angry. His servants helped him realize the foolishness of his decision, and upon accepting God's way, he obeyed and was healed. Jesus' teachings are too simple and strange for many to accept as wisdom, and thereby many will not please him.
Say it loud, say it proud. Good work, Anne Rice! Christ couldn't have said it better, himself: "...following Christ does not mean following His followers"
To those bashing and leaving Christianity, travel a little bit outiside the U.S. to some poor countries and see what Catholics and Christians do – from affordable schools, colleges, medical facilities, etc., etc. – to help the poor. May change your perception of Christianity.
I beleive she's wrong. I don't know what christian denomination she belongs to, but i have to say that the Church is God's instrument on earth to bring people closer to Him established by Christ as stated in the gospel passage where he states to Peter that on him he shall build up his Church. Doubtlessly, the church has had many people who have acted wrongly, staining its reputation and people's faith on it. But therein lies the wonder of it, the fact that He chooses human beings, corruptable and who tend to do evil, but who can also do extraordinary good things and grow in virtue, to do His works (just remember the apostles). Throughout the history the curch has been guided at the helm by many people, holy and unholy alike, but it has prevailed in both good and bad times. Therein lies the miracle of it. It might have some bad things (blown out of proportion by the media frequently) but more often than not it has many more good things that should also be praised.
Just a thought.
sounds like you're referring to the Catholic Church. My personal belief is that there was a time when the CC stood for Jesus Christ and his teachings, but that is long past. There doesn't seem to be any connection between Christ and the CC.
I only disagree on one small point–I don't consider the modern, fundamentalist, conservative, gay-hating, catholic-hating, everything hating cults Christianity. Jerry Falwell and his buddies did a huge disservice to the world by using the term christianity to identify their cult of hatred. They weren't Christians, they were political conservatives and haters of humanity, who twisted the biblical word to fit their sordid philosophy. I believe in real christianity, real buddhism, real Hinduism, real islam, not the twisted rantings of a few misguided fundamentalists. The kingdom of the lord is within....it is within. FInd it and you find God. Ignore it and you may miss the point of life on earth.
This story has NOTHING to do with Christianity or the "church". It's simply an announcement by someone of their intent to change something in her life. Her reasons are of no importance to anyone but herself. Why she decided that the world needed to know can only be attributed to her narcissism.
What a terrible and misleading headline!!! She's not leaving Christianity--she's leaving organized religion--sadly, her position is fraught with difficulty in justifying Jesus' teachings with despising others who follow Him.
I am hopeful Ms. Rice will continue her personal evolution and find secular humanism. There she will find ethics and morality without the sacred texts that give birth to all the hostility she is fleeing.
We live in a natural universe with our fellow humans and many other forms of life. Secular humanism is about finding ways to live well here and now without beliefs in supernatural beings clouding our ability to do so.
James Underdown
Center for Inquiry – Los Angeles
http://www.cfiwest.org
Such a complement, I feel unworthy, no one ever called me SuperNatural before.
You jesus freaks are just full of yourselves! If one doesn't look like you or share your beliefs they're inferior to you. It's so obvious you're brained washed by tv evangelicals and the radical religious hierarchy who spread division, hate, and lies to their tools. In return, the gullible tools shower them with money so they can perpetuate their "word" and at the same time sustain their life of luxury.
What a blanket of ignorance you just threw over about a fifth of the world's population. All you did was to show your bias for a group of ppl you clearly do not like. I think that makes you a bigot...gasp...can a non-christian be one of those? Guess so, there are a ton of intellectual midgits on here that are more hateful than any supposed conservatives. Whatever happened to that openminded liberal view of things we always hear of?
It looks like Anne did not leave Christianity, she found it! I was raised Catholic and I claimed to be a Christian for 30 years of my life before I actually accepted Christ. The only true Christians are the ones that put Christ before their religion. My wife and I left the Catholic and Methodist churches after faithfully following them our whole life. If I ever hear our Pastor speak inaccurately of Christ or the Bible, I would leave the Baptist church as well but I am thankful to say that I have heard no such thing after 17 years.
Wow, how tolerant you are with your church(es)! You may run around forever if you choose to quit, whenever things do not fit you.
She still follows Jesus as the Christ, so she's still a Christian. What she seems to be dumping is one of the churches which professes to be "christian" but isn't.
It looks like Anne did not leave Christianity, she found it! I was raised Catholic and I claimed to be a Christian for 30 years of my life before I actually accepted Christ. The only true Christians are the ones that put Christ before their religion. My wife and I left the Catholic and Methodist churches after faithfully following them our whole life. If I ever hear our Pastor speak inaccurately of Christ or the Bible, I would leave the Baptist church as well but I am thankful to say that I have heard no such thing after 17 years.
Good for Anne, I came and went to and from the church many times. I finally found that the people that professed to know what I should do are the evil ones. They are the ones that give the devil all the power.
I finally found a place where I am at peace and I don't need a building to be saved.
She should become a muslim, then. A burkka would serve her well...
apparently this crowd is more inclined to believe what they see on tv over what they find on youtube–burkka? is that some kind of lounger?
Wow – what a brilliant woman. I couldn't have said it better! Good for you Ann Rice! You have come full circle and realized the true meaning of being a child of God!
If being Christian is all about loving each other–why don't they love the people who disagree with them?
Loving the guy who agrees with you is a lot easier. But doesn't the Christian love his neighbor–which in biblical times meant the one who may be stealing your sheep, lowering your well water, and raiding your fields. NOT the guy who was helping you out.
If you can't stand a little opposition, your position isn't very sturdy to begin with.
Her decision and her spirituality is nobody's business. I hope she'll turn out some more good work like she used to. I missed that.
You are right, it is nobodies business, she it the one who blabbed it. we don't care
Anne, you left the Catholic Church, not Christianity. Good for you. Keep searching and you will find. And if someone
knocks on your literal door, keep your open heart and mind. Jesus always sent out his messengers this way. Luke 10:1
Let's assume everyone who believes in God would do the same thing – quitting their churches, then there would be a great chance that they would gather together in groups of the same spiritual interests, and pray to God. I wonder what should we call such groups of prayers? Could they be organized in the new churches? Then would a bunch of them quit their new churches/praying groups for the same reason?...
What I really hate, is when people refer to Jesus as nonsense!
I found him to be erudite, composed and quite the Flirt!
Nitwitmom .... the myth of jesus is absolute, pernicious nonsense! i hope that you're not indoctrinating your poor children with that rubbish!!
Sounds like many people here need to find a new church.
Anne who?
DEFINING CHRISTIANITY
Ms. Rice doesn't understand what Christianity is. Nor do many so-called Christians for that matter. The various churches, being for-profit businesses, as well as ruthless and diabolical political forces to be reckoned with, have seen to that. There are very few Christians today that would subscribe to this Great Faith if they understood who Christ was and what he stood for.
The problem with following Christ, as opposed to following his followers is that everything Christians believe about Christ has been propagated by his followers from the late First Century CE, and is utter nonsense.
His sayings were recited and collected over the course of two generations prior to being ascribed to him in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke in about the years 70-80. The idea of the Virgin Birth was based on a Greek mistranslation of a single word in Isaiah. The first canonical Gospel, Mark, and the last Gospel, John, do not even mention it, trying desperately to avoid the fact that Christ was rumored to be born illegitimate.
His ministry couldn't have lasted more than a couple of weeks, rather than the three years described (rather unconvincingly) in the Gospels. Such a small, seditious following could never have lasted for three years under the reign of Herod Antipas in Galilee, and the collaborative efforts of Joseph Caiaphas and Pontius Pilate in Judea.
The Eucharist was invented by St. Paul, who never met Jesus, nor shows any evidence in his writings that he knew anything about what Christ was believed to have said or done. It was later incorporated into the Gospels. The notion of consuming the flesh and blood of the divine-man was purely pagan, not Jewish. Christ, a devout Jew would have been more than a bit distraught by the thought alone.
The Resurrection is rooted in Greco-Roman mythology and is based on a misreading of a few words in Hosea.
The Gospels themselves are advertisements for Jesus' miraculous return to life and the inauguration of the Kingdom of God. This was supposed to take place, according to Christ himself, about 1950 years ago in Palestine. We in the year 2010, in America, or anywhere other than the Galilee/Syria region, were never meant to read them (nor hear them, as most people couldn't read back then!), and to accept them as anything other than ancient mythology here and now, this far removed from their original sources and context, is entirely absurd and misguided.
To be a true Christian would mean being an apocalyptic Jew who believes that the Hebrew God is going to intervene in World History by setting up a Kingdom in Palestine, and restoring the Twelve Tribes of Israel from Before the Common Era to rule the entire world.
To be a true follower of the historical failed Messiah that we call Christ would mean being part of a dagger-wielding fringe insurgency at war with almost the entire human race. The Middle East has apparently always been rife with such groups. Ignorance and poverty will give way to mass annihilation if we do not own it and do something about it. We dismiss religious fanatics at our own peril.
It is however amusingly ironic how hard-core Christians today abhor Jews, as well as others, while touting Jesus Meek and Mild.
If Jesus of Nazareth, or Yeshua ben Panthera, as he was known in his day, were alive today, his name might be David Koresh or Osama bin Laden. And like them, and many others like them, he would thankfully have self-destructed as he did way back then. His beliefs just don’t hold up. The Messianic Age is over. It is high time that the Hebrew god must take his place with the gods of the Greco-Romans, the Persians, the Germans, the Saxons and the Norse as a footnote in the History of Western Civilization.
No wonder she left with long, weird comments like this
I'm sorry, what? In all fairness for those reading this, you should really consider providing reference material for the claims that you are making.
"All" religions are one big pile of dung. Christianity & Islam are the largest dung producers!
They have been known to work with Mud check out The UFO-Human Link...The Secret of Min; dung–not so much.
How Lovely. Who cares. Talk to God about it. Leave the rest of us out of you religious decisions
I care. I care. I care...
Just once in a person's life, if they meet Jesus... I mean the REAL Savior and Son of God... they will most likely spend the rest of their life following Him. Anne Rice has an incredibly valid view, but so do others that may not arrive at her same conclusion. The point is, don't miss out on knowing Him, the One and only true God, the Creator of everything, the One who promised Life, abundant and free, the Lover of your soul, the source of deep purpose and joy... just because the world is full of folks who follow a religion named after Him, without having a genuine relationship WITH Him.
Perhaps the most important quest any human being has is to find out the TRUTH about life. The Lord said in the Bible (Old Testament), "You will seek me, and find me, when you search for me with all of your heart." Now, that's either true or it isn't. Wouldn't it be worth the effort to be sure?! In the meantime, let's "LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS AS OURSELVES"!
These same claims of a divine relationship with God are found also with Buddha, Krishna, and others. The idea that Christianity is the only religion is simply childish.
Children belong in school.
I hope you live in America, Donna ..... because here, you would quite rightly be sectioned under the mental health act!!
Come try the Episcopal church. We are Christian, and NOT “anti-gay,” NOT “anti-feminist," NOT “anti-science” NOT “anti-Democrat.”
When I read the headline I was hoping that she had become a witch. I think that would be cool. Anyway, in the long run who really cares, my advice is to keep your beliefs to yourself and write some more books
Your a fool. She is a witch.
Just by observation, it seems there are a lot of judgmental people of all views. State one belief and only that keeps one from judging someone else. I say believe whatever you believe. Whatever consequences lie ahead, only that individual ultimately must deal with them. Just food for thought. I do have a judgement(since I am flawed). If you want someone to become part of your church, cause, way of thinking, condemn someone if they don't or call them names actually push them away even more than you may have intend(read: your plan may backfire). Remember free will. That is in the bible, too.
I'm a Christian. I am for gay rights, pro-choice, and an independent (mostly democrat, but there are some republicans such as Colin Powell that I would vote for). While I do not mind if congregations discuss these matters I do NOT like those that are extremely loud in there opposition to gay rights, abortion rights, political election, etc. I believe that the majority of religions (ans in their texts and beliefs) preach that we should try to understand others rather than shout that they are wrong. I believe that some congregations (i.e. the people in the church and not the faith of the church) have set agendas that are not good examples of their faith.
I believe that the best way to show one's faith is by doing and not yelling at the top of one's lungs. Donate to non-profit groups (my favorites are Red Cross and Humane Shelters), by helping strangers and neighbors with individual projects (from something as simple as helping them pick up something they dropped, to opening doors for them, to doing things like helping paint, to helping repair a car). This to me is what faith is about, not marching in protest of gay rights or political offices or laws.
Christianity, Islam, and Jewish all have the same violoence, lack of tolerance, lack of humanity, and lack of compassion in their books. They all came from the same original faith. They are exclusive religions, not inclusive. That is why they will all eventually fail.
Catholicism? Fail? Keep dreaming
I wonder if message boards like this are an accurate general consensus of the spiritual climate in our world today. We have hostile atheists and secular humanist (by the way, where does your moral center come from?), utterly slamming so-called feeble-minded Christians for their belief in a text they deem written by "drunken shepherds". Very clever fellow who came up with that one.
Then we have the angry "former Christians" who were offended, some justifiably, but most because they weren't getting what they wanted. These people now rage against "church people", grouping them into some worldwide pot of simmering hypocrisy.
And then there's the Christians. We're the ones, evidently, who mindlessly pick fights with everyone else or simply ignore any opposition to what we're supposed to hold dear to us.
No one wants to engage. No one wants to have a reasonable discussion. And worst of all, most care little in regard to what God has to say on any of these matters.
Our (yours and mine) moral center is not based in religion. It is based on what society and humanity has deemed acceptable. If you would like to have a "reasonable discussion" about the so-called moral behavior practiced by those who claim to know their gods wishes, I would be happy to debate with you.
Well Eric, the centrality of Christianity is the cross–the thing that separates it from other religions/ideals/philosophies. Once arriving at the likelihood that Jesus of Nazareth was an historical figure based not only on Biblical texts (which should be enough on their own), but extra-Biblical as well–the writings of Josephus and Tacitus for instance–one must then consider what you do with this man. If not God, than teacher? Philosopher? Revolutionary? Homeless deceiver?
The fact that no single human being has ever had the kind of worldwide influence that this man has, I think, forces one to decide who they think this man was. Would you agree?
I'm willing to discuss and engage. I'm not persecuting anyone. I don't think a belief in God (Allah, YAHWEH, etc) should be excluding. I'm willing to calmly talk to anyone about religion or other belief systems as long as the other person is willing to extend me the same courtesy.
@Tree-They do not eventually fail.
Nitwitmom ..... they already have! religion is an absolute insult to humanity!
Well done Anne, well done.
I've been asked on occasions too numerous to count about my religious affiliations to which I've replied, "I'm not religious, I love God and Christ." I could quote untold scripture to support my faith though it would be a ludicrous waste of time and effort and I won't debate doctrine with anyone because frankly speaking nothing ever gets accomplished.
This is purely conjecture though it seems to me that what Anne Rice spoke of was a profound and personal revelation that she chose to share with the world and for this she has my heartfelt admiration and respect. I also remember when my Heavenly Father showed me that a church was a building and nothing more and that to journey deeper into the infinite complexities of His unconditional love for me I had to be willing to set aside myself and replace religion with faith and trust in Him. I've never looked back or regretted it.
To call God an "invisible daddy in the sky" or to believe such is to ignore the epiphany of the Apostle Paul on the occasion that he heard the voice of the risen Christ when everyone else heard only thunder and that revelation is this, Christ is indwelling. He lives in the heart and spirit of those who choose to accept Him. He's also the perfect gentleman, he won't push you to accept something you don't want. That choice lies solely with you.
It is more than possible to have faith without being religious and love God without going to church and if Anne Rice has stated that her faith and her relationship with Christ are crucial to her, perhaps she should be believed and not criticized or treated to harsh words for her courage in speaking out. In truth, the things of which she speaks are not anything new or unheard of however, the more high profile the spokesperson, the greater attention to the words spoken.
Myself and other nurses can tell you about many experiences of patients who profess athiesm that go out of this world begging for God to save them, kicking and screamin with a preacher praying for them at the bedside. Then there are others people that go out peacefully hearing music, seeing persons that are already dead and talking about the beauty of death. There are plenty of unbelievers that begin to pray to God to heal a dying person they love and ask for priest or rabbi, etc. Not everybody has a notable experience at death. Never say there is no reason you will ever acknowledge God, you may find yourself on your knees. We nurses share tales with each other, ask a nurse.
Funny how she labels Christians “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat". As a Christian, the only thing I'm ANTI is Anti people who label groups in a wide swath. That's like saying I won't be a writer because I dont want to think my opinion matters, my crap don't stink, and my hair is awesome.
So sad. So many Americans are making up a God and salvation to justify their lifestyles and their version of right and wrong rather than accepting who God says he is and what he says is right and wrong. AND No it is not a matter of biblical interpretation. It's a matter of surrendering to God to live your life for him and his gospel. Those that live their lives for themselves will lose it, but those who give up their lives for Christ and his gospel shall have eternal life.
Sorry, but unless you were around to hear Him speak those gospels or see Him write those gospels, they're exaclty that – interpretations.
Bravo,Anne for articulating what I have felt for 6 years. I love God and Jesus with all my heart and in order to preserve my faith, I too had to step back from a "religious label". I struggled with the prejudices and elitism Christianity often perpetuates; therefore I asked God to show me his authentic self. This journey has been a most enlightening one to say the least. I still adhere to my core beliefs of the Bible, but have come to realize God is often misrepresented by mortal man. So, I research for myself. I listen for his guidance for myself. I want to be like Christ and he is compassionate, loving, kind, understanding and empathetic. Christ IS love. Even when he didn't agree with others and their lifestyles, he exhibited kindness, love and patience. He taught rather than fought. I gave up the label, not my faith. L.O.V.E, Peace and Blessings.
Christianity is merely a label put on a religion. God hates religions. Christianity is filled with Pagan rituals, not to mention Sunday worship (hello? The Sabbath is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset....) Christmas, Easter, these are Pagan rituals, they are not Holy days. They are not in the Bible.
Just GIVE ME more Lebron!! I love that kid!!
@Heat is On
And he is smart with his money
"But following Christ does not mean following His followers." Nice statement. I live in the south and the only reason I don't take part in organized religion is because the nuts involved.
@TripleM-I don't know where you got all of your so called information above. But you are SO wrong. You are one warped individual. None of what you have stated is anywhere near the truth.
All religions are one big pile of dung. Christianity & Islam are the largest dung producers!
SO TRUE!
Mud, Yes–and here is how they do it; The UFO HUMAN Link....The Secret of Min-dung? not so much.
Who cares what she thinks.....
I care, I care, I care... and watch if she doesn't write an even better story.
So she likes Christ, just not all those 'bothersome' things He said. Ms. Rice's version of Jesus Christ seems to bear a poor resemblance to the One in the Bible. Search the Bible, Old and New Testament and see what God's Word says on the topics Ms. Rice mentioned. Christianity is not anti-sinner, but it is anti-sin. Christianity is not anti-woman, but it recognizes the unique gifts which separate the genders. Christianity is not anti-science, but it will not bow its truths to science if science indeed contradicts God's Word. Christianity is not anti-Democrat, but many Democratic policies are anti-Christ. Ms. Rice would do well to determine if her views indeed match with God's Word, regardless of what ANY one else says.
Ann Rice should try the Episcopal Church. It is pro-gay rights, pro-feminism (The American Episcopal church leader is a woman) pro-science and art, and pro-democracy. If she wants to visit my church in Atlanta, GA she might change her mind about Christianity.
Just curious, how do you decide which parts of the Bible you believe, and which parts you do not?
Being a follower of Christ is all about Faith. We choose to believe the bible and Christ of the bible. There is no need to follow Christ if you don't believe that he is who he claims to be be. You cannot have it both ways. ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.The Christ of the bible gives people the choice to choose to believe him and his word. Unfortunately Christ followers have allowed themselves to be represented by the Rush Limbagh, Glenn Beck and the republican party(conservatives). Being a christ follower does not mean being conservatives it means following the teaching of christ which are often misinterprated by the religious right and conservatives. Conservatives have given christianity a bad name because of the hate they entertain. Its time for the church to look to christ as an example and not be led by Rush and the Glenn Beck. How can people who love God and love others allow Glenn Beck and his views be shared at Liberty University graduation ceremony. The views of Glenn Beck do not line up with teaching of the christ of the bible. As a christian i am ashamed that we have become followers of Glen Beck, Rush and Tea Party instead of followers of christ. We are supposed to love the world without being involved in immorality of the world. The greatest commandments according to Jesus is love your God and love your neighbors as yourself. Wake up christians its time to follow christ not Glen Beck and Rush.
CHRISTIANITY WAS JUST A BEARD – she may say she is leaving but we know they were never really 'together'
Amen sister!
She is confused. Jesus wants a people that is "Holy". He, himself, said that all effeminate, idolators and immoral people will be condemned. So she shouldn't go blaming others for what He commanded! She needs help because of her involvement in the occult. It has a very strong hold on her. Lady, start getting some good teaching of the Word. It's the only thing that will deliver you.
Today's religious organizations don't seem to be teaching the "Word" very well now do they?
@mitch
let's not go putting words in Jesus's mouth
http://apageinthelife.blogspot.com/2009/05/angels-and-demons-or-how-to-resurrect.html
just 'cause we're did doesn't mean we're not around
Welcome back Anne. Keep your Faith but not the followers. No one needs a church to be spiritual and to feel the power and wonder in the world. They need only be human. Keep your kindness, keep your intelligence, think for yourself and do what is right for you. All the rest falls into place.
The tooth fairy is actually the real deity
You christians are aware that you are followers of Paul, right? The entire new testament wasn't even touched by a real disciple (Maybe John, but that is debatable). It would be like writing down a childhood memory of a 70 year old friend of yours and trying to put "quotes" in there. Also, it was translated between 3-4 languages, then endured the dark ages of europe when bibles were kept in latin in churches only. This more than likely means that it was changed some as well. So, if you want to believe a second hand story, written 80 years after the fact, retranslated 3+ times that was then put in some rather untrustworthy hands go for it.
Funny how this "Second Hand Story" still is one of the best selling books. Also, funny how so much of it's
profound wisdom still proves true in our day today!!! For example, "The fool hath said in his heart,There is no God" Psalms 14:1a
One of prayers always has been:
"Jesus, protect me from your followers."
Gene Evangelist
To Greg G, earthlink.net/1234/: A problem with your logic: when you talk about free will, you assume that God's actions take place in material time, e.g. the fall of the rebel angels happening before or after something else, etc. But you cannot do that when considering non-material beings. God's existence is extra-temporal: matter (and its attributes, space and time) are God's creation, so while creation is limited, God is not. Just because we don't fully understand non-material modes of existence does not mean that all existence must be material. So if you are to logically disprove the existence of God, or prove his non-existence, you must prove the inexistence of non-material beings. But that cannot be done. In fact, you cannot even prove the inexistence of a given material being, only that in our limited experience that being has not yet been observed. You have to be careful before making all-sweeping claims. Most often they are wrong. And why do you not allow replies to your comments here or on your web page? Are you afraid of having others argue back your points, and show the fallacy of your arguments?
she wants to pick and chose things she likes from the bible but dump the hard to obey commandments
I agree! "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" This is the most important commandment. So who is your neighbor? A single Mom, a gay couple, a family with 2 kids and a dog..... it does not matter, just be kind, respectful to each other and the world would be a better place... just like Jesus would want it! Our amazing God does not want us to hate anything but to enjoy all he is giving us and to treat one another the way we want to be treated!
Cristianity is only a big business, people are being used for political and economic reasons some people wake up others are sleeping but just take time.
Anne Rice thank's for your courage.
And you're saying that Atheism, Humanism, Global Warmingism, etc. etc. aren't big business??? Pot, don't call the kettle black.
The definition of Christianity is believing that Christ is the messiah. If Anne Rice is leaving Christianity, but continuing to follow-up in her belief of Christ as the Messiah, than she isn't quitting Christianity, is she? No. This is a ploy to put herself on the front burner of a hot-topic issue, and she's clearly succeeded. She wants the press, people. Religion is a personal issue, and anyone who spouts off publically about it is self-aggrandizing, and vanity is one of the seven deadly sins. So much Anne Rice the Christian. It's more like Anne Rice the hypocrite.
Sounds like she was never a Christian to begin with. When she judges God and His Son Jesus Christ and His Holy Scripture (Bible) by what she sees in mankind, man made doctrines, and "religion" instead of getting in and experiencing and understanding God through Jesus herself, then she's not experienced being a Christian.
This is like renouncing your citizenship because of corrupt politicians, judges, and lawyers. Or, refusing healthcare because of fraudulent insurance companies and physicians.
If she truly had converted, nothing else would've mattered and she would've made it her life long mission to teach those "in" the church to love ALL people “outside” the church as God loves them (without having to compromise His teachings) and bring them ALL to repentence.
Frankly, I wouldn't want to be forgiven if it meant someone else losing their life ! What kind of loving Father would sacrifice his son when he has the power to forgive without the sacrifice ? If there is a God he is the kind of person I wouldn't want to even be friends with. He is egotistical , selfish , chauvinistic and physiologically disturbed. A perfect example is Free Will. Free will does not come with threats. There is no free will if the penalty for not choosing the choice of the giver is burning in hell forever. That is called forced will. You can have good morals without having a make believe God there to fear. You can face life and it's ups and downs by making good friends who stand by you and who have good morals themselves, you don't have to have a God to pray to to help you. Stand up and help yourself.
Jesus went to the cross with his eyes wide open, knowing that his death on the cross would relaese us from our selves and give us the opportunity to know God through Jesus Christ. I do not believe this just because I was told this but because it has lead to really knowing him . I do not know how to explain this to you . Because Idon't believe things just because someone tells me its true my whole family is like this . we are not convinced by words alone or by religous christions which I try with all my strength not to be somtimes this means leaving a church of friends . I look forward to following the real jesus not the one people tell me to follow not even you, i'll make my own mistakes so I don't or can't blame someone else .
Maybe she should have been a part of our effort to get food, water, and fuel to Katrina victims in south MS and LA., or drive the bus to pick up kids, bring them back to the church and feed them, clothe them when their parents couldn't (or wouldn't) or provide them with school uniforms. Maybe she should have taken part in our effort to help drug addicts straighten out their lives. Or our effort to teach children in Guyana to read and write. Or do yardwork for some of the elderly who can't. Or send meals out to the shut-ins. You can sit in the stands and watch (and believe all the negative things that are in the press about us), or you can get in the game.
Actually, Anne Rice has not made public most of her charitable work, much of it done for Katrina victims. Her choice to help others and give quietly is Biblical. She is a woman of very strong faith in Christ – those who read what she said, and her followups to same on her Facebook page, will see that she is not rejecting Christ – she is rejecting association with the modern, political, greedy, misogynistic church. I don't blame her a bit. She is, as it were, going into the desert to pray.
Perhaps if those who call themselves Christian would dissociate themselves from a label Yeshua never used and a building He didn't need, they'd find it easier to follow Him. Fellowship with other believers is easily accomplished without the trappings of today's glutted, hate-filled "Christianity". Jesus was not a Christian. Those who follow Him are followers of Christ. They don't have to call themselves Christian. They don't have to align themselves with anything or anyone other than their Lord. John the Baptist is a perfect example.
Great comments. Note that Jesus never wrote anything down, I wonder why? I guess he could see the meesage gets lost in distortion and translation. Chistianity was created by men and the bible was written by humans also. Rise above it all
Well sometimes christian get a little to carry away and become cults instead of messengers of christ, it maybe a lil dangerous!
Uh...simply solution, Anne. Become an Episcopalian. We are gay tolerant, woman priest ordaining, science believing, often Democrat, social justice supporting Christians. The "Church" does not stop at Catholicism and evangelical Christian denominations. You can still be part of a church community and be a liberal. Sheesh.
Right on Michael. The Episcopal church is open, inclusive, thoughtful, focused on social justice and very broad in it's approach to Christianity. Plus we get the sacraments and liturgy.
Hear, hear! I agree completely, and I'm pretty much on the same page. My belief is Christ has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the abusive orthodoxy that is Christianity.
Romans 1:21
"...because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were... darkened."
I Know That, so enough with this hazing, and PLEEASE bring that UFO around and get me off this Plan-it!
You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face! eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions god's infinite love!
I certainly see how corrupt organized religion has become, but claiming that you can't call yourself a christian because the churches are corrupt is weak and ignorant. You can't just stop being a christian because a few radicals or corrupt individuals crossed your path. That would be like me claiming that I am not an American because we are surrounded by corrupt, greedy and deceptive politicians. I am still an American who will stand up for what I believe and try to do my part to turn this country into a nation of citizens with integrity who do the right thing for the right reason. I am also a Christian because I believe the Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation and my relationship with him is not and will never be controlled by a church or another individual. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own relationship with Christ. Don't think that you can use others as an excuse for your own decision to turn away from God.
Will you pleas.....READ IT AGAIN!!!! She didn't leave Christ, she seperated herself from Christianity! There are other methods of worship. I don't go to church to worship, so does that mean I don't accept God in my life ,and I am not saved and that he does not love and accept me as I am?
God is pretend. Jesus is pretend pretending to be God.
Finally! Someone has said it right! And THAT is what it is ALL about......Christ!
Hey Annie,, so will you now stop being a part of the human race because it's even more f'd up than Christians.
Look the bible never said anything about hating anyone and where is this anti- dem or women crap coming from. Yes the bible is against men being with men and women with women but never does it say anything about hating them or hurting them.
With anything there will always be those who take things too far and Christianity is included in that. But good luck on staying a Christian without like minded believers to hang out with.
Please... read. So many people are freaking out about a label. The word "Christian" is one that was never used by Yeshua/Jesus or His apostles. It's a label that came about much later, and it's that label that Anne is rejecting. She is not rejecting her Lord. She was very clear about that.
I'm appalled that so many who identify as Christian can't read or interpret a simple statement, because they identify so strongly with a label that they can't distinguish the man-made classification from the personhood of Jesus. Jesus is precisely who Anne is following. Christianity as it has become is what Anne is rejecting. She is not alone in this. Many followers and believers are separating the wheat from the chaff, and choosing Jesus over church. I'm proud of her for speaking her heart so publicly, knowing full well that many self-identified Christians will hate her for it and say she's going to Hell rather than take the time to consider that she might be right.
She's not turning away from God or Jesus, just churches
U can be all that and Christian. Just be Episcopalian. Women are leaders in the church. We accept gays for just being who they are. The National Church in Washington D.C. is held through the Episcopal congregation, and we incorporate what is learned by science and weave it in what we know is in the Bible. The bible and science hardly ever conflict unless man has made premature and tunnel focused comments and decisions to make it so. So don't give up on Christianity Anne, just be Episcopalian!
Christianity is the stupidest made up bullcrap invented other than islam. People that can blindly believe in something and claim faith are extremely stupid. Religion and politics will destroy mankind.
Madam do not worry it's a matter of time you will become a Moslem. God willing.
Just pray to God who created the sky and the earth to guide you in the right path in which he guided the prophets and messengers. peace be upon all of them and upon those who follow righteous guidance.
If We think about it, Christ was a liberal guy according to the conservatives. He was for the poor, he was for the weak, he refused to stone an adulterous because we all have our sins. Unfortunately, his followers came up with their beliefs and Christianity became the way it is now. Go figure
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
...Groucho Marx
We're all animals. Get over this religous (superior to other animals) stuff. We are animals, Animals, Animals. Understand?
Conception, birth, development, reproduction, death. The cycle repeats seemingly endlessly and there is nothing more. Our position among animals is not all that unique, just different like the hare and tortise are different.
Amen sister!!!!!
TNANK YOU Anne Rice! I've been thinking this for a long time but you finally said it out loud.
I am not sure what this article intend to do? is it to offend Christians? or to give cheering to people that love any opportunity to bash Christianity. If she is convinced that Christianity does not comfort with her belief, then it is her choice, it should be a personal choice, she should keep it for herself. But declare it and present it in such way is offensive at least to me.
I did not hear any Christians pointing a finger to non believers. I am sick and tired of hearing people bashing Christianity and the church. If you don't like it, fine, don't be Christian, what is the problem then?
.... the problem is that non-religious people are still exposed to theocratic crap and certain groups are expected to be tolerant towards religious groups who display no tolerance themselves! in my experience, religious people don't have much going on upstairs and nature hates a vacuum, some nonsense or other fills the space! religion = psychic pollution!
All religions start out with noble ideals that people should live by, unfortunately, men take it over and it becomes a business.
The leaders of all organized religions think they have the sole pipeline to God and everyone must pay them before they can communicate with God or go to heaven. Personally, I feel that religion is between a person and their God. All the Pastors, Fathers, Mullahs, Reverends, and Popes should find meaningful work.
It's muslim you retard.
Hey John...
Quit using the word 'retard', unless thyself considers thee one in the same. Pick up a book other than a comic and educate yourself. Otherwise, stay off the internet and the comment columns. You portray yourself as one who scratches his butt and sniffs his fingers.
It is very unusual that I read comments on articles and even less that I submit a comment, but I felt compelled this time. I am a Christian, a follower of Christ and His teachings. I would like say something to all who read this article and the comments. I think that it is very sad that the image of Christianity has been distorted so. On behalf of my fellow Christians, I would like to say that I am sorry if any of us true Christians have caused you to fall away from the faith. And I would also like to apologize for the those who call themselves Christians, but are not and are continuing to distort the ways and image of Christ. I won't get into all the details like many others have, but it seems that so many have lost faith and hope in Christ nowadays. My hope is that you strive to find Him. I agree with shem's comments very much. Christ has called us to be more like Him and to tell others. If anyone truly wants to know God and His Son Jesus, who died for us, just ask Him. He will impart this Gift and wisdom to all who sincerely ask for it. We will all have to answer to God one day, so please get to know him for yourselves. This I pray. And a few verses:
"10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations[c] will hear it; and then the end will come." – Matthew 24:10-14
"12 Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. 13 So let’s stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall." Romans 14:12-13
Good Comment Ashley, I agree completely
thank you ashley for posting the scriptures, because many will read, and once again if they deny the truth they can't say they didnt hear it!
You weak-minded religion robots couldn't boil water without quoting from the Bible.
You couldn't wipe your backsides without consulting with your priest first.
Must suck to have to rely on crutches.
My legs work just fine! I don't need any crutches.
Please shut up Ashley!
If you read the Gospels, you'll see that Jesus Christ falls far short of what we would consider tolerant. Chances are, we'll end up crucifying Him all over again.
eloquently said and exactly how i feel
We've all heard it before, but it bears repeating...organized religion is, and alway will be, the downfall of Christianity. I feel very sad for anyone who doesn't know Jesus Christ, or worse, refuses to know Him because they met too many people that call themselves "Christians" but that's not what's in their heart. I pray no one turns from Jesus because of the misguided notions of someone they met!
I'm agnostic, but It still utterly staggers the collective mind of man to conceive of anything less important than what Anne Rice thinks about Christianity.
William Slusher
Leviticus is soooooooooo boring. Oh noooo here comes Deutorotomy!! My 5th grade experience.
No offense, but to me this statement has as much significance as if she stated she was leaving a grocery store. Why is it news that she is leaving Christianity? Very weird article.
Anne Rice got it partly right, but she should have backed out of it altogether. Joe said that intellectuals think too much, but I think Christians don't think enough or else why whould so many of you be bought so easily by con-artist evangelists and hang on every word of insane people like Glen Beck. The Christian faith is full of people who can't think for themselves. The reason they need a religion and join a church is because they are seeking someone to do the thinking for them so they can be relieved of the responsibility. For those of you who have gotten past needing a religion and want to attempt to see the world for what it really is you should look into Taoism (what the ancient Chinese knew about the natural world and the universe is really astonishing) and check out what the quantum physics and quantum mechanics scientists have to say about their discoveries. Studying these fields might just satisfy one's need to understand our place in this universe and know what we really are. For anyone out there wanting to criticize what I am saying or thinking that I have never cracked open a bible to see what you think to be the truth is, I can tell you that I spent the first half of my life as a christian and certainly have a great awareness of what is in the bible. Taoism is not a religion by the way. More-or-less it is a rough map of the universe. If you want a basic overview of quantum physics, look up a DVD called "What the Bleep do We Know?" It is a very entertaining story and discussion of what it is. I have studied These things for many years and find them more satisfying than any faith based religion. I ceased being a christian 25 years ago and I have never felt a need to go back to it. But I have not lost my moral compass or ceased to have compassion or lack desire to make a positive contribution to this world. I did however find more spiritually satisfying knowledge.
I can hear the zealots screaming already, saying: Heretic! Burn her at the stake!
I am glad there is one less person in the ranks of christian hypocrites.
the Bible says there will b many like you to turn from their faith, and i am sorry, but Jesus will say He doesn't know you either in the end
@Shiela
Anne broke away from the crowds and confusion and found her own way the Lord, He is the Lord of Many Ascents!
If you prefer Frost, there is always The Road Less Travelled
.... millions of people have absolutely no desire to know him. The thought of heaven or everlasting life surrounded by egotistical, psychotic and utterly dreary people like yourself makes me so happy not to have been indoctrinated as a child!
To all my little hulkamania's out there Amen Brother!!
God gave Adam and Eve one restriction, do not eat of the tree in the center of the garden. Still, they believed they could do what they wanted and rebelled. Since this original sin, man has struggled with obedience. Enter Anne Rice and moral relativism that states we should do what we want. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. We don't want to "judge". Apparently Anne Rice didn't want to accept any moral authority other than her own. Pride. Nothing new here, just Christian bashing. When was the last time we had a conversion story? Just remember Anne, Jesus is on the cross with His arms wide open calling you back to him. You will be in my prayers tonight.
Oh please Dan! Christians bash more than any other religious group – and it all comes down to PRIDE. You've convinced yourself that you are something special and anyone who doesn't join your club is beneath you and worthy of punishment. People are tired of the hatred that your outdated religion spews.
@Dan
about Adam and Eve and that pesky tree...the story goes something like this at the UFO Human Link....A Tree_An Apple_A Wineskin...
BMR: Why the anger? Your comments demonstrate where the true hatred is coming from.
Tell me, BMR, what has offended you so deeply? Is it bad examples of Christianity misrepresenting Christ, whom you claim in your post below was a good teacher? I'll be honest, most contemporary outspoken displays of Christianity are not only offensive to non-Christians, but simply maddening to believers as well. Invented doctrines, emphasis on certain sins, self-serving, greed-fueled, and self-righteous.
But perhaps you're offended by the gospel itself, the good news which tells you there's nothing you can do to earn favor with God. Because He's already paid the price for you. Ah, but there's more. Now He asks that you turn from your love affair with the world, and run to Him. Yes, it's offensive. I fight it every day–I believe this thing or that thing will satisfy, or that I'm good enough. But they never do, and I never am.
I apologize for the pride and insufferable judgment you've seen from us. But the gospel offends because it is concrete, historical, and true.
,,,, that's dreadful, has no-one taken him down yet???
Yep! I agree with her 100%.
I was hoping she had come back to her senses and rationality and become an atheist again. Too bad. Nothing wrong with Jesus, but turning a great teacher into a magical sky god is nothing short of childish and ridiculous.
REM's "Losing My Religion" started echoing in my head as I read this:
"I think I've said too much, I haven't said enough".
Thank you Anne Rice for saying too much!
I left organized religion 20 years ago, but I still believe in my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
Even Jesus himself had a similar experience. He rejected the organized religion of his day.
I've probably said enough now. If I say any more it is likely to be "too much".
@Scott re: Chicken or Egg?
Pretty sure it was the Egg.
The UFO Human Link ...The Secret of Min if you want to mull over the details.
Christianity didn't exist in Jesus' day. It was invented primarily by Paul, who was excellent at promotion. He just happened to sell the idea at a time when the idea seemed a solution to so many who heard it.
I have always identified with Anne, ever since I started reading her books. I love them all and especially Memnoch the Devil. I live for Christ, but this book takes a person's religious beliefs to a deeper level. This is why I am not surprised at her announcement. She is a great author and I have loved every book of hers that I have read. Oh, TP, you need to go back and read what she said. She did NOT turn her back on Christ!
Anne,
You are an awesome lady.
Sorry but you're editing department must have been sleeping. The correct headline should read "Christianity leaves Anne Rice". Please correct at your convenience. She's only fulfilling prophesy.
I had the same Epiphany as Ann Rice. Almost word for word. I believe Gandhi said it best, " I like your Christ; I do not like his followers who are so unChrist like". This personal relationship with Jesus is well, difficult to buy. Does Jesus eat dinner with you? Answer you? I believe in God but I also believe if our belief was necessary for eternal salvation he would be more involved in our lives. As my husband says, "Wouldnt a General check in with his army once in awhile"?
You can't leave Christianity and still have Jesus. He taught us to Love One Another as Our self. If she still has Jesus as her role model then she is still a Christian and He will be glorified by her ways and actions. You can not sever God and mammon.
good for her...abolish organized religion
Good for you. Millions have been ruined by the Bible, a thoroughly silly book.
She would show even more intelligence if she would dump religion all together. The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins.
.....And this is important becaaaaaause ........?
she obviously doesn,t know the teaching of the bible, and niether do u people.
.... and this coming from someone who's illiterate!
Thank you Anne. You have put my personal feelings into the best words.
Seriously, seeing all the comments from Christians on here is like walking into an insane asylum. Prophecies, End Times, talking snakes, forbidden fruit...I bet in a couple hundred years, when people look back on religion, they will wonder what the hell people were smoking to believe such non-sense. Utter rubbish.
Thomas,
That was the best commnt so far!
the insane assylum where I went a young lady sat down at the piano and played Chopin by rote and then the next time I went a cool guy played Beethoven's Fur Elise and those were just the inmates, what insane assylum in which alternate reality on whatother planet Earth are you referring to?
Thank you Anne. I now can go to bed comfortably knowing that you renounced Christianity.
Anne,
This is amazing news! And so encouraging. Your statement that one can "follow Christ without following his followers" is right on!! Thank you for restoring my faith in you!
So you put down being a Christian – some statement you made there. It reads – God so loved the world – why leave God.
Its the standard that make people hate God.
READ IT AGAIN!!!! She didn't leave God, she seperated herself from Christianity! There are other methods of worship. I don't go to church to worship, so does that mean I don't accept God in my life and I am saved, or that he does not love and accept me as I am?
Look at all these bible-licking losers. Christianity is just a Bronze-age myth. Keep banging the rocks together guys.
and the only thing worse that god-freaks is vampire-freaks,, I mean seriously,, get a *&(*king life.
Hey Justin the worst part of being in Hell forever for you will be knowing that you were warned and were too ignorant to listen. The last thing you WILL DO is neal down before Jesus and declare him as Lord. You are clear of my concience
that's great....can you now write more books on the vampire chronicles?
This is the very reason i became agnbostic...religions are hypocritical at best and murderously self absorbed at worst
Remember what Jesus said " the gateway to heaven is narrow and FEW shall find it" like so many Anne almost found it but sadly will miss it, Poeple want to twist what Jesus did into thinking all is good and ok but what he really spent his time teaching was that we are all sinful and must REPENT of our sinfullness IF you want his forgiveness.God is intollerant of ANY kind of sin, if thats not true then why was Lusifur and thousands of angles sent out of heaven forever ?God gives you freedom to choose, its up to you where you end up.All will stand before him...........
You're gonna be wormfood my friend,, nothing else,,, so are we all.
The pathetic thing is,, deep deep down,,, in your heart,,, you know I'm right.
Anne Rice has been an inspiration for many things, but I must admit I was disappointed when she returned to Catholicism. I was also on the outskirts of belief once and have since regained my faith. Catholicism though represents, to me, many things an organized religion should not be.
You don't have to be christian to be "anti-gay" or “anti-Democrat.” Gayness is a perversion and democrats are just dumb.
Ya know, I'll bet SHE'S gay. Looks like it anyway
Religion does need to go away. They all only have there little piece of he Bible and go from there. The Church is in us that really believe not in some building. I can understand her feeling as I have a hard time going to those buildings. Does not mean one bit that I am not a Christian. I believe she still is. Study the Bible just do not read it. God Bless
A short history of religion:
Man created gods to explain the unexplainable. Then opportunists figured out that, if they convinced folks that they could talk to one, they could extort a good living as a priest. Later, the ruling class decided priests were getting too much power and grabbed a piece of the action. They allowed priests to hang out as long as they were useful in connecting the god to the ruler and didn't cause trouble. This proved to be an unbeatable combination, using fear and guilt to control the people. Much later, the Egytian pharoah, Ahkenahten, simplified things by narrowing the god field down to one. This was very successful and was copied, ad nauseum, through the ages and across civilizations. Game over. Except that there are always a few independent thinkers who realize that it's all in your head and don't buy it. They are cursed and villified, but their numbers are growing. There is hope for humanity. Amen.
Christianity and other major religions die out. The world becomes a realtively peaceful place. Technology advances, people enjoy a better quality of life. Nobody is persecuted for their beliefs. Oops, I jumped ahead a few centuries.
I agree 100%! Well said.
Looks like a rugmuncher to me.
@Anderson, she's been married for decades, give it a rest. You are likely the exact Christian type she wants to distance herself from.
I thank her for leaving Christianity. As another person who has left Christianity, and believes that religion is the cause of a majority of the worlds problems she has gained my respect. I still respect other people's believes in regards to religion, but it wasn't for me after years of being forced to go by my parents when I was younger, I just got bitter of going, plus some of things that have happened to me over the last few years, it made me change my mind about religion. I'm not a atheist, I'm agnostic. I don't know if god exists, but I don't know if god doesn't exists, but I am still open minded that we may one day find out if a god(s) exist.
I know exactly how she feels. Christianity's devolving to the extremes. It's either a religion of harsh and petty rules, with so-called 'conservatives' happy to live in a small movement so long as its purged of the 'damned' and second-class human beings, or its an esoteric plaything devoid of any concrete truths. Ultimately Christ disappears somewhere in the middle. Either way, it doesn't seem to bode well for the future of the religion.
If you QUIT Christianity cause of the hypocrisy you see, then you aren't a real Christian to begin with. Being a Christian is NOT about gay or straight, political affiliations, Denominations, or accepting or refuting. Being a Christian is about finding a purpose to live the truth that we ourselves learn by studying scripture to show ourselves true to the faith. Christ came to divide us from the truth and legalism so many religious fanatics superimpose on everyday people. Christ was a common man, among common people who had no hope under the Pharisean bureaucracy! Find Christ again, Anne. You don't have to leave him. You don't have to quit Christ. You don't have to live up to ANY church's expectations. Christ expectations are good enough. For Him. For You. For Me!
Shelley, read. She didn't denounce Christ, she denounced what's passing for Christianity nowadays.
It's not that she's left Christianity. The tag line is something of a misstatement, as Rice herself made clear. She's left organized Christianity. As a Catholic, I'd like nothing better than for organized Christianity to find its way back to being a living movement, instead of one mired in dogmatic positions that are even draconian by the standards of the medieval Church. It just seems Jesus has taken a back seat.
This is an interesting slant on things. I cannot stand most Christians. But then again, I don't believe most Christians are really Christians. I will continue to identify myself as a Christian even if the morons who make up most of its ranks are an albatross around my neck. I don't particularly care about the opinions of men.
Anti-democrat? Really? LOL I like her earlier novels, but really? LOL
Very well explained in that last paragraph. And as a former Christian, I agree. Especially as a lesbian myself, I understand and agree even more. Hard to belong to a group that excludes you and tends to form their personalized view of God and moves the "Word" around to fit their needs rather than letting God be God; ever loving, ever kind, never hateful, never judgemental. When something inside of you rings true, and it is filled with love and openess to all and harms none; that, to me, always comes from The Divine. You can't go wrong when you follow your heart. After all, no matter what "religion" or spiritual path you follow isn't that where God is?
Oh, Man! I must have got it right, they are wiping out my posts....but you can always start at The UFO Human Link A Page in the LIfe and consider yourself lucky if you get to see any of it...
No, you don't have to be a christian to be "anti-gay" or "anti-Democrat", just being ignorant and intolerant will accomplish that. And BTW, let's be clear here, that what Ms Rice is objecting to is not really "Christianity", any more than the Taliban is representative of Muslims. Although it would probably help (and be more appropriate) if the more moderate Christians (as well as Muslims) were more vocal about condemning the obvious excesses of their extremist brethern....
What a great publicity stunt – she must be coming out with another book!
She should've done a little research before she joined the Roman Catholic relegion, which is one of the most repressive of all Christian denominations. There're other much more open minded denominations, such as the Episcopal or Methodist Church. I am a at times very doubtful and questioning Christian and have found a perfect home in the Episcopal Church. We are a very diverse congregation, both socio-economically as well as ethnically and we all get along get along very well and look out for another. Our priest even visits parishioners at home, when they're sick, or have problems. Oh, and by the way we also have great parties throughout the year.
Religon was created by man so that a few could control the many. Power and greed are the roots of every religion. God was created by man to calm the fears of the very young, the very old and the gullible.
To cornelius and the rest who say the bible is the word of God-Some really good stuff in there and as a Christian I read it all the time. But it was written by man not God and further corrupted by man, deleting, editing and even additions. No it is not the infallible word of God. I know this because Jesus was a learned man (not to mention the son of GOD) and if he wanted a book written, he would have written it himself, but knowing the ways of man he knew it would be corrupted, deleted, edited and added to. So he said "I will send the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you." The truth is in your heart folks. As he said, Love the Lord your God above all others and love your brother as yourself. So simple-and yet we can't do it. We are here to overcome. To over come what? Ourselves. That is the path to God.
Christianity is only 2500 years old and man has walked on this earth for 4 million years so how can it be the teachings of god. Religion is the biggest lie ever told
Christ was not “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.” He spent his time with what was the worst of his time. One who truly is a Christian is a lover and advocate for the least among us.
Those (rich, old, white, men) who have hijacked Christianity are nothing more than mere self-righteous pharisees of today.
Good she's bringing attention to their hyprocricy – I'm sorry that's what people thnk of Christians. I am a Christian and I love without reserve or prejudice – as Christ did... of at least I TRY!
Gee, Anne...it took you this long to realize that the majority of "Christians" are self-righteous idiots? I thought you were smarter than that.
Christ, Vampires, pretty stupid either way!
Here's what Mahatma Gandhi had to say about Chritianity: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Thanks for sharing your beliefs with me, I need reassurance sometimes and you have helped me a little in a loving way to follow Jesus. Thanks again.
She used Christianity to sell books. And folks call Christians hypocrites. Wow. What a greedy phony.
I understand also Being Christian has nothing to do with any Church I'm Lutheran And I'm happy so far
The anti democrat comment is not hard to understand. The very vocal ultra conservative religious right, almost exclusively republicans, have done a pretty good job of selling their biased, bigotted and hate filled version of Christianity while the more moderate members of the religion do not seek the limelight the conservatives do.
Try a cult.....Scientology or LDS
.... or L.S.D!
Christianity is the greatest myth in the history of mankind. It is strange that people in this world still literally believe those 2000 thousand years old myths!
She just bought a one way ticket to hell.
U go girl. I agree with her and i love the fact that she came out and said it..
Well said, Christ and his teachings are far more important than what Christianity has become.
What the Left pretends that Christianity has become, you should say. From the outside looking in, it seems that "Christianity" is so many things that no two Christians agree on what it is. And that is far better than what it once was.
I left the Catholic church many years ago while still a Catholic high school student, and never regretted it. Public TV broadcast a program some years ago about Jesus from a political, social activist angle. That Jesus made a lot more sense to me than the "died for your sins" version.
Anne, you have not left Christianity... you have left an organized church. It is getting harder to find Christians who are Democrats, but we are out there. I wish churches would leave politics out of the pulpit. We go to church to be closer to God, not to hear our minister's opinions on hot button issues. If any leader of any faith is to mention politics at all, then it should be in a prayer asking God to guide our leaders in the right direction.
Anne: Your new religion is called "Post-Fundamentalism." You keep Jesus and climb out of the Mustard Tree. There are many of us out here. Welcome sister.
i just love it when people say they're going to hell for not believing the religion BS. I would like someone to be able to show me physical evidence of hell as defined by religion. Faith= Belief in unverified thought
I share your sentiments, Anne.
For me, spirituality is better than christianity.
Ms. Rice believes she can telepathically communicate with a Jewish zombie that died 2000+ years ago. She thinks by submitting her will to the zombie, she can lift from herself a curse imposed by the first rib-woman, who was tricked by a talking snake into eating a piece of fruit from a magical tree.
Her belief in Christ is as ridiculous as was her former acceptance of herself as a Christian.
How well you demonstrate why the arrogant, ignorant, militant Evangelical Atheist minority gets so little respect from the majority of Americans.
Mr. Wyman, prayer is not telepathy and Jesus was not a zombie. Your caricature is what's ridiculous, not the beliefs that Anne Rice has expressed.
What's funny is that Christians are portrayed as angry and small minded, but yet you make this post.
About 6 years ago, my husband and I read a magazine article, that said something like ' we are looking for the religion OF Christ, not the religion ABOUT Christ.' That virtually became our mantra and prayer.
Well, be careful what you pray for, it could be very surprising. I'll say no more. Surprises, are surprises.
I guarantee that this is a result of her regular visits to the Amazon Science & Religion forums. I used to be a junkie for those forum boards myself, and saw her quite frequently espouse the virtues of Christianity. Those forums on rare occasion dive into the heart of Theism, and really tear it apart with scholarly quality. Someone as astute as Anne Rice would have quickly saw the error of her ways.
Anne Rice "quit" Christianity a long time ago,if she even ever began.There are many hard truths in the Bible,&Christ didn't hate anyone but he also didn't chase after the ones who left..begging them to come back.People just want to make up their own brand of Christianity these days.
sorry to burst all your bubbles, but ALL religions of the world are nothing more than ways to control the masses and keep people scared to death of living a decent , fun life. i challenge anyone to actually prove ANYTHING from ANY bible or holy book. they have been edited and re-written by scholors, kings, idiots, madmen, etc for thousands of years, until there is nothing but fairy tales in them. there is not a shred of actual proof of any gods. stories about them only. i have read stories about vampires and aliens too, but religious people deny them. it is only "their" fairy tales and stories that are true eh??? lol very funny. prove it. you can't. just because something is written in old books does not make it true. do you know how silly you sound saying some big god thing in the sky created a planet and the heavens and everything in the universe in 6 days. then got tired and rested on the 7th day. lol. paaaalease. spare me. same thing with every other religion of the earth. all hogwash. prove it, you can't.
I used to believe this too when I was young. But I saw God perform miracles here and there and show me evidence that he was real. That was just the beginning.
Bottom Line: I believe that Miss Rice is simply saying that the church (pick your denomination) has become a voice for political points of view (mostly very far right). Being a Christian is not about supporting the views of Rush Limbaugh or Nancy Pelosi........it is about accepting Jesus as the Son of G-d. Today's ministers are too often preaching points of view that are directly opposite those represented by Jesus. The pay for pray ministries have taken control of a significant number of Americans who have no understanding of the inclusiveness that is the basic foundation of The Bible. Christianity is NOT A POLITICAL PARTY!!!
Your point is very clear in the Bible, take what Christ himself said in John18:36:
“My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”
U REALLY ARE AN IDIOT. THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS A POLITICAL PARTY. THE VATICAN ORDERED HITLER TO KILL ALL THE JEWS. AS THEY ORDERED EVERY MAIN WAR AND GENOCIDE IN THE WORLD.
...or maybe Ms. Rice wants to seell more books...
Well, a spiritual life is not something you join – it is what happens to your life. There's no quitting it.
this is so silly. there is no proof that jesus was even real. so why is this news?
Several men who went about to prove that Jesus was a myth hit a wall of evidence proving he was real. They became great Theologins. I request that you Mc Daddy will research the subject. You will be suprised with what you come up with.
While I appreciate the issues she has with parts of "the church", you cannot be a Christian without following the teachings of Christ. Central to this theme is love, but there are guidelines to living a Christian life or you are just another Pharisee. It sounds like she wants to "feel good" but still conform to the ways of the world, in other words, make Jesus in her own image.
The headline makes it sound as if Christianity is a destination instead of a cult.
Churches have done much to serve Satan rather than Christ. Many go to church, but few follow nor even know, Christ. God tolerates so much evil, that the evil are led to deceive themselves.
She's leaving organized religion, she's not leaving Christianity.
It's understandable, with the face the Christian Right has put on religion. But in reality, there's the Christian Right, then there's right Christians. And the Christian Right is no more than the modern-day equivalent of biblical Pharisees–judgemental hypocrits.
Anne Rice is on target. By and large, Christianity and many churches have devolved into affronts for breeding grounds and addict houses for politics, organized hatred, intolerance, fear mongering and character-assassinating smear machines. There is very little, if anything, that is Christ-like about them. Underneath the window dressing and their espousal to Christ-like principles are wolves disguised as sheep, also known as the religious Reich and evil.
so Jesus said to the priests and theologians :
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him"
Good call Ann Rice, may the Lord draw you ever nearer.
MORON! GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL AND BULLY SOMEONE ELSE.
MORON! GO BACK TO GRADE SCHOOL AND BULLY SOMEONE ELSE.
thankfully you came to your senses. those idiots are destroying the civilized world as they have always done. i hope you found out it was the vatican that forced hitler to start the genocide of the jews as well as every other person organization or religion that isnt christian. i think you had better be careful though. the christians will now come after you with a VENGEANCE!
I would rather be considered a hypocrite and a foolish believer in Christ yet be granted His forgiveness rather that be esteemed by millions of people as a very good person. All people will come to knowledge in him, either on this side of life or the other.
That statement illustrates nicely what a sorry, sad deluded fool that you are!
Sounds like she never was really born again to begin with. She had only a head religion not a heart transformation. Her views are incompatible with Christ.
Christianity focuses on the dignity of the person. That means that the Christian loves the person no matter what. In contemporary society, a person frequently identifies herself in a particular segmented way. "I am a feminist." For example. Then, that feminist sees everything through the prism of being a feminist. A Christian seeks to see everything through spiritual perfection in Christ.
Christianity focuses first on Christ. If you learn this you can truly learn how to show dignity to others.
UMMM.....BEING A BELIEVER IN JESUS MAKES U A CHRISTIAN...NOT BELIEF IN THE CHURCH U ATTEND.
Devils congregate primarily in churches because churches bear the name of Christ, and nothing pleases a demon more than to disparage or distract you when you seek Him. Be warned: there is deep deception in the churches.
Can I marry you?
I"m an agnostic, I have no clue if there is a god or not, my strong feeling is that there 'is not a god" but I cannot prove it. So I'm happy in my non-belief. Religion poisons everything.
anne seems to have done what no other christian has been able to do. she knows exactly how we are to live our lives. sounds like she is saying you should except what the world tell you is right and if a preacher or a church believes what God says in his word about being gay is wrong and saying we come from apes and always believe the goverment will protect our righs like they do other people, they are bigots and are wrong. WE are and should love each person because Christ did but hate the sin in people and pray for them. Maybe she should read Mattew 7:1 judge not that you be judged also. You are saying to call yourself a christian does not always mean your life is Christ driven because you believe different from what the world believes in.Jesus said you can not serve two masters, you will love one and hate the other. I think she should find out which one she loves the most, God or the worlds values
Ms. Rice is making her decision to leave Christianity as a religion from some tough personal experiences in her life – granted, Christianity as an organized religion can be horrible when done wrong – that is why I think it will take the right Christians within a local Christian church body to come beside her and walk with her in Christian faith and grace – a Christian church that is more like a hospital and to encourage her to repentance and faith growth and healing where needed, that is if she is open.
Christ himself admonished those who would follow him to repent and experience a personally deep and fundamental and profound change inside of them – I think that IS sound Christian doctrine, whether you are a mental liberal or a right-wing nut – those who do not repent and wonder why their lives remain the same with all the disappointments and dissatisfactions and pain will most likely find that that life transformation just did not happen.
I go along with Thomas Jefferson. He believed a person called Jesus probably existed, but divine, absolutely not. He believed Jesus was just out to change the things he could in his time and preach the golden rule.Jefferson even wrote his own version of the bible leaving out all the supernatural garbage including all the horrible nonsense in the OT. I'm an atheist and this is what I believe.
Mac: To not believe in God is only a temporary thing. When an unbelieving person passes from life on this side, the first thing he notices is that he is still concience and he is not alltogether dead. The scripture says "It is appointed for men to die once and then Judgement". You will have an appointed time with God and all your athiest beliefs cannot prevent it. Turn to him!
Excellent post! Jefferson was so bad-ass its not even funny. Can you imagine what this country would be like if we have more people like him. Unstopable.
I've just spent 2 hours reading posts. I applaud Anne, an anyone, who has the courage to refine their beliefs. I have been an athiest since 7th grade. I have know the most wonderful and hateful religious people, I have know the most wonderful and hateful athiests (agnostics). I too despise any hateful and evil group that uses religion as a way to control the masses, but I recognize that many people have a peaceful and wonderful relationship with God, and good for them. Myself, as I said, do not believe in life after death. Recently I lost my brother and dad so I have know great sorrow, I was giving great confort from many religious and non-religious friends, and I love both equally. I have always wondered if Jesus was made up or a prophet whose life was used as a springboard to control the masses. In any case I'm sure if he exitsts he will reward those with peaceful hearts with love, and those without peaceful hearts with love...Good day to all!
Funny – I am a believer in and follower of Jesus, but your post made more sense than most of these I've read from all sides! In the words He used with various people, you are not far from the Kingdom! Give your New Testament another read, focusing on the Kingdom teachings of Christ. You may find you really want to follow this guy after all – especially if God really did use Him to reconcile us to Himself! Thanks for the lack of mean spirit in your post!
That is EXACTLY how I've always felt...good for her to leave the lemming swarm that is organized religion!!
This is the main reason why Jehovah Witnesses are the fastest growing religion. 757 baptisms per day on average last year. The bible teaches to be no part of this work since it is lying in the power of the wicked one. Find a JW and ask fir a teach book. It will help you understand why you feel this way and what God asks of us to be true followers of his.
There sure is a lot of hatred out there for Christianity and organized religion. Where's the tolerance in that?
JMJ, you should look back at your earlier post, if you don't like intolerance you shouldn't hide behind it. "He who casts the first stone...". Your earlier comments paint a picture of intolerance, duplicity, division, and unchristian beliefs in the guise of a God. "Hypocracy is ineffective shield". If you want tolerance you should offer it.
GaryInMilwaukee, There must be another JMJ posting comments as well. The one you replied to was my first one. I forgive you
This makes absolutely NO SENSE. If you believe in and follow Christ, that makes you a Christian. Hence, you practice Christianity. It's impossible to believe in Christ, but not be a Christian. So which is it, Anne?
Oh. So she's still a Christian, just not a knuckle dragging moron.
JMJ said: "There sure is a lot of hatred out there for Christianity and organized religion. Where's the tolerance in that?"
'Scuse me? If we're not accepting of a tradition that is firmly rooted in intolerance, we're labeled as intolerant. Nice double-speak
Mike – it's not your decision to reject Christianity, but the level of hatred and venom displayed out here that is so disturbing. Can we not agree that every movement has misguided people without having to be nasty about all people! It's no wonder our nation is so polarized. I find that nastiness of these posts much more disturbing than any decision Ms Rice may have made or not made. Whether you admire Jesus, Ghandi, or MLK, I don't think any of them would endorse the nastiness of so many of these posts.
Jim, you said it better than I did. Thanks!
I'm a left wing, liberal,pro-choice Democrat and I consider myself a Christian...have many connservative right wing Republican friends who also consider themselves Christians...we get along...don't always agree on things...don't think God cares what building we go into on Sundays, or if we even go to a church on Sundays...just have faith and believe in and love whatever Diety you choose...I believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God and my political views are still the same...and I bellieve God loves me just as much as my Republican friends!!
One mistake Ms Rice makes and 95% of those posting makes is the assumption that Christianity is defined by its manifestation in 21st century, American, conservative culture. The majority of Christians do not live in the West. So cariacatures of Glenn Beck, big business, etc, don't even make sense to Christians, like the ones who meet under a tree in Africa or secretly in an apartment in China. I'd love Ms Rice to meet some of these folks – she may find that their faith in Jesus is exactly what she is looking for!
Interesting that I just wrote a blog piece on this issue of the church causing offense just yesterday http://wisdomcriesaloud.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/an-offensive-gospel/
THE ONLY CHURCHES I GO TO SELL CHICKEN!!
Does anyone travel to other countries or even think about all the different faiths or religions out in the world? There are literally hundreds of faiths throughout the world and history. Have anyone of them ever been any different than the rest? One god, or 100 gods, its all the same search for understanding and meaning. The first step is acknowledging that you don't know anything. The second step is determining the difference between knowledge and wisdom. The third step is looking within yourself to find that wisdom. Sometimes I think the world would be much better off if people would just stop watching TV and read a wider and more diversified book selection. Get out more and travel often. Stop belly aching and proselytizing. Be optimistic and spread happiness.
"following Christ does not mean following His followers." This means that one can believe in Jesus and not believe in following an organized religion. I totally agree with Anne Rice and I could care less about her books. Karl Marx said it best when he said, "Religion is an opiate for the masses." Case closed,,,
Sounds like a real Christian, rather than the more popular version which is really a Churchian.
Christ was a generally humble guy with a Jewish mom who was not big on fancy displays, big organizations or prattling about how holy he or his followers were. He wouldn't fit in to church (or temple or jihad) culture. He wasn't liberal or conservative, but were he here today each would accuse him of being the other.
AR has some good sense.
Christians alienate the entire world – arrogant and self righteous finger pointers. All religious are bad, not just Christianity
Translation if you cant beat them join them. She can start her own cult and non bible church..lol
Believing in Christ and loving Christ, living your life as Christ would have you do, makes you a Christian. Sio therefore, if you truly believe and follow his teachings, then you are a Christian, so therefore, you havent left Chritianity. Anne, I quit you way back. I was a fan of yours, but you are just another lost soul looking for your next fad. You are just another hypocrite.
now would you sit on my face sweet baby and drip juice in my mouth ? all my loveQ god i can dream can't i ......i
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Mahatma Gandhi
Your Right, Jesus did teach love and peace and all that good stuff but seems most of you forget that he also said to follow the laws of Moses. God also says he is the same yesterday, today and forever which means the Old Testament is also to be followed. Not forgotten just because you want to pick and choose what you will or will not follow. You either follow all of Gods teachings or you follow none. God said he will spit you out of his mouth if you are in the middle riding the fence. He said he would rather you be hot or cold rather than luke warm which he will spit out. All you that think your going to ride the fence until the time he comes back or if you think your going to do whatever you want and then at the last minute think your going to heaven or to paradise you are fooling yourself. Read the parable of the virgins and the oil lamps. In short it means if you are not ready and prepared when he comes you will be left behind. A couple of the virgins had plenty of oil in their lamps, the others did not prepare and ran out and turned back into darkness to go get more oil but when they turned back the Lord came and took the ones that were prepared. When the others returned they realized they were left behind because they chose to do it their own way, not listen to Gods word and follow it, not just the things you like. Those of you that think you can do what you want and think the Lord is going to say to you "well it is ok come with me anyways" will find themselves left behind in a very cruel world. It does not matter whether you believe that or not because it will happen. Your disbelief does not change the facts and it sure does not change Gods will and his Word.
Who is this Jesus of whom you all speak? Sounds like quite a made-up story if you ask me.
This news is only newsworthy if it means that she will finally get back to writing vampire novels again!
I wish someone would explain to Anne Rice that being a sensationalist drama-queen has more in common with the religion she repudiates than the Christ she claims to embrace.
Join Islam, but on that burka, take your place three steps behind a man. Praise be to Allah.
ALL "organized" religions are the root of all evil. It's true; deaths and blood shed have happened due to religions the world over, since the beginning of religion. moreso than the number of killings from all the wars, because most of the wars were due to fighting over religious beliefs. The entire world would be better off if religions did NOT exist, if people were just decent humans beings and NOT categorized and labeled due to their beliefs and religion. Believe what you want, but like I do, keep it to yourself. It is MY personal business what I believe, NO one elses. If everyone would shut up about religion and just be decent humans, this world would be a much, clamer, nicer place. I used to go to several different religions and churchs over the years to educate myself, and in all of them, I met more hypocrital, abusive, lying people in all of them than friends I had known for years that were NOT religious and did not even believe in a god. True that religion and many religious people are hyocrites and the root of evil, sorry but true from my experience.
Lord, protect me from your followers.....
I applaud her decision. I made the same decision in 2000 and I have never been more complete or happier with my own chosen path. I am fully aware it was not an easy decision to make as it wasnt easy for me either.
"All these Christians they are so unforgiving and mean. I hate them all and I am leaving the church." See anything wrong with this statement? Christians don't hate anybody or condemn anyone. They just warn them. The Word of God through the law condemned all. Only through repentance and Salvation by Christ's sacrifice can anyone be saved. That is a direct quote from Jesus See john 3:16-18. The church is not here to please you anyway but to please God.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
And luke 5 31 Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
Everybody gets so high handed over all of this, I shoulda seen it coming. But I didn't. Then there is all this writing down of things, huh. Everlasting life. A bunch of you took that so seriously that you tried to end my kid's everlasting life when he was 33. Granted, with health care being what it was back then he was practically a senior citizen. Look ...don't get so hung up. How hard is that to understand? How about this:
"Live and learn"... and you can quote me. Mind you, I didn't say 'Die and learn', did I? Nor did I say 'Kill and learn', correct? I'm trying a new 'keep it simple' tack, considering what it's been taking to unravel the last two thousand years of fallout over what I supposedly said. Here's another from my new tack:
'Don't make such a fuss'
I think alot of the posters here might appreciate this website, exchristian.net, you seem to think like I do, I was raised in a very Christian background, went to Baptist school from grades 7-12, sang twice a month on a locally owned Christian TV station, but as I matured, I realized that modern religion had nothing to offer me. Sorry about the run-on sentance.
Sounds like Anne Rice thinks everyone should agree with her political views... So do non-Christians have to be pro-gay, pro-feminist, pro-science and pro-Democrat? Stop labeling people Anne...you wouldn't appreciate it if others did that to you.
Coming from the Queen of the Damned, this isn't a big shocker....
The Catholic Church is the pillarr of truth.
She has a point. The so called "Christianity" nowadays are Christianity according to man not the original Christianity according to Christ. Many are having a bad taste about Christianity not because of Jesus Christ but because of those so-called "Christians" who's only using Jesus for their own selfish ambitions or agenda. Do not lose hope, Anne, surely God is doing something to make things straight.
I left the church for the same reasons back when the Father Flynn cases were breaking the news and haven't looked back. We have a saying: I trust Jesus, I just don't trust the people he's got working for him.
I wonder: What would Jesus Christ say if HE were here today? And I think that problem is that HE is not here today. Only those who claim to represent Him.
Uh translation for the masses. I quit being labeled a Christian because it is somehow synonymous with being a republican in my feeble little mind. This is a political statement at its core, nothing more.
Anyone who becomes a follower (or a "disciple) of Jesus will for the rest of his or her life be in process. These people get together in churches because the Bible actually says to, but all these "in-process" people make a ton of mistakes. I don't know why God chose to let the "church" represent Him on earth, but the Bible is clear that He has. We aren't allowed to go it alone. Jesus loves His messed up, misled bride, warts and all. True followers of Jesus need to stay and become part of the solution. The Old Testament prophets, and especially Jesus were great at critiquing religiousness. God always judged His people for preferring religion rather than relationship, or "sacrifices rather than mercy." Zechariah 7 is a good example of the heart of God. All things will come to light including errors and abuses in the church.
Though I understand and support her frustration with conservative Christianity, it seems that she embraces an equally flawed liberal Christianity. The woman caught in adultery was shown extreme compassion and mercy while encouraged to sin no more. We shouldn't be choosing between the two flawed ideologies.
She writes about Vampires and then becomes a bible banger?!
Lemme tell you idiots a little something. If you take away the fairy tale of Christianity,then "Satan","Dracula" and the rest don't exist.The two fairy tales depend on each other.
Or are you hogheaded Christians too stupid to even grasp THAT simple concept?
Bunch of racist gorillas.
It took her this long to find out that religion is a sham? You see, this is a prime example of how religion screws up a person's life. They're born into it, then brainwashed by it for decaades, and even when they finally come to the realization that religion is fiction, they STILL can't bring themselves to totally leave it behind. Guilt. Guilt. Guilt. Guilt. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear. THAT is what religion is really all about. Sorry, Ann, but you'll never truly be free until you put this "Christ" nonsense behiind you once and for all.
At Matthew 13:24-30, Jesus prophectically stated through an illustration that the Christian congregation that he established and began functioning on Pentecost 33 C.E., would apostasize or fall away from the true teachings. This began to happen in earnest after the death of the last apostle, John, in about 100 C.E. Jesus also said that the true Christian congregation would be reestablished in the ' conclusion of the system of things,' our time period. He gave an explanation to his apostles concerning this at Matthew 13:36-43, in which the "sons of the wicked one" would abound, but the "sons of the kingdom" would again shine brightly after a period of over 1900 years of "darkness" ( in which the light of the truth was smothered out), doing the Father's will and preaching the "good news of the kingdom" worldwide before the "end comes."(Matt 24:14)
That's got to be the most reaching interpretation of that parable I've ever read. Where, pray tell, do you find anything about 'the 'sons of the wicked one' would abound, but the 'sons of the kingdom' would again shine brightly after a period of over 1900 years of 'darkness' ( in which the light of the truth was smothered out)" ?????
24Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
28" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
29" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field."
37He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
YES! You go girl! I was worried and disappointed when you started shunning your masterpieces (The vampire chronicles) but I'm glad to hear that you truly believe you can be supportive of gay-rights and believe in Christ. This is awesome! YAY ANNE RICE! YOU ROCK AGAIN!
way to go, Anne! welcome to the club of the enlightened. i lost my faith when i was 10. christianity, islam, judaism, etc..all of them are pests! they do more harm than good. i've been a person without faith for a very long time, and i'm one of the happiest people in the world. i don't need religion and all that crap. i choose to live freely. Anne just made that decision too. i hope you who are reading this will soon wake up..
SAD..sorry you cant separate Christ from Christianity because christianity is the avenue by which Chirst saves. It is how one comes into the knowledge of Christ. The church, oral tradition, and written Word of God(bible) is who we come to know who this man named Christ is/was/willbe.
Doesn't matter to me...I'm not the one going to hell!
Wait a minute, Anne. There are plenty of Christians – and congregations – who would agree that following Christ does not mean one is “anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-science and anti-Democrat.” I myself recently gave a teaching sermon in my conservative congregation about Galatians 3:28 and the way that, over time, Christians led by the Spirit have come to see this not only applies to the Jew-Gentile controversy of the first century, but that it is the inspiration for abolition, women’s suffrage and women’s rights, and gay rights. Of course there are people who disagree with that, and of course there always have been Pharisees. But to “leave” Christianity because some of its followers are hypocrites is like discarding the wheat because some chaff still is mixed in. I am so saddened by liberal, intelligent Christians who abandon the church to the Pharisees and to the spiritually immature.
Being a Catholic gives me a feeling of Wholness and Christian integrity. I'm happy.
The concept of God was created and developed purely within the confines of the human mind. It is silly to ask 'does God exist?' At best you can ask does the 'concept' of God exist. Yes because we has humans have the ability to 'create in our minds almost anything', its a way we try to understand things. The challenging part is to take a concept one creates/makes up in their mind and 'sell it to others'. And the concept of God has been 'sold' to many...give your money for this all under the guise of 'you will be saved, you will I promise you life an eternal life', etc, etc, etc. A concept is a pattern of human thought. Nothing more, nothing less. Jesus may have been a real person, a human, no doubt. Did he have a following, no doubt. But alot, ALOT, of humans have died for a cause, some more well known and publicized thru the ages then others. Where the STORY of Jesus takes a 'major leap of faith', and many people, who similar to sitting thru a Hollywood Blockbuster movie, suspend disbelief and allow themselves to introduce the 'concept' of supernatural being ('GOD') to enable a 'connection' between Jesus and the 'concept of God'. There is not harm, in fact there is peace and aid in believing in 'something greater then you' because the human mind has developed the tendency in many cases to 'need an answer' to things we do not YET have answers to. God is a concept that was created by the human mind and exists only within the confines of human brian. The teachings/the stories/the lessons learned/the wisdom of the stories of Jesus are not a monopoly of 'Jesus' life but can easily be seen in daily life and historically from really anyone who has stood up for a cause and well in some cases 'was willing to die for it'. I'm in no way against people 'believing' in concepts that may help them 'get thru life' with some level of understanding, means to put context and meaning around things that we can't yet explain or that would help one thru suffering or pain or bewildermen or joyt. But please realized or at least consider for a moment that 'the concept of God' was a creation of and within THE HUMAN MIND (BRAIN). Please don't kid yourselves otherwise.
Ann is mistaken here. (I realize it is "sacriligious" today to say someone is wrong, but she is.) Jesus created a band of followers, which is The Church, His mystical body. He is perfect but we humans are not. We do our best to follow Him. That's OK with Him; He does not require perfection because we are not capable of that. Yet. He will be the One to bring us to perfection. It's an organic relationship. "I am the Vine, you are the branches". Jesus sent His first followers out in pairs. Christianity is communal in its nature. We are not meant to be alone in following Him.
I do not judge Ann's standing before God – or anybody else. But I can take issue with her statements. She is just wrong about the nature of the Faith.
Anne uses some of the most flawed and ignorant logic I've ever heard for leaving the church.
If you do follow Jesus and His teachings then you will love the Church as He said He does.
Ya know, the group of people who hate the church is also "quarrelsome, hostile and disputatious". It's not exclusive to Christianity. It's exclusive to humanity.
And talk about hostile, reading the comments here of all the church-haters is very disheartening. You folks aren't anti-anything...except for the church, Christians, republicans, pastors etc. You see the fundamental problem with your logic?
My church isn't anti-gay/feminist. We're pro-grace. We're not anti-science. We believe, along with the findings of the greater science community that science supports Biblical teaching. We're not anti-democrat. We aren't ignorant enough to expect a politician from either side of the aisle to actually change our world: that is up to Christ through His followers.
being a scientologist will help her sell more books....
Thank you Anne for a great reminder. The early Christians were known for the way they loved and cared for others...it is time to remember why their faith worked! I'm married to a pastor and truthfully, it isn't the "sinners" we struggle with – it's the "saints." It wasn't the people who didn't know God that crucified him, it was the group that did. To the Christians...don't get angry....get busy! I John 4:7-8.
Perhaps she should have said she is no longer a Christian in a political or organized context, as her actions, thoughts and concerns are in actuality Christ like, The true Christianity, which is more akin in buddhism. True christianity is not organized. It is within. It exists without rules made by power mongers. The souls is church and God needs to be rescued from Man.
I love when TRUE Christians emerge. They belong to no one but God and don't have to gather every Sunday to prove so.
Anne should join the Mormons, they're not considered Christians by mainstream Christianity even though the church's name has always been "The Church of Jesus Christ". And even though Book of Mormon contains more references to Jesus Christ than the Bible. And even though 1 of their 13 articles of faith states that they believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. And even though all their prayers end "In the name of Jesus Christ". I agree with Anne that mainstream Christianity has a lot of hypocritical teachings. Mainstream Christians constantly mock the Mormons for practicing polygamy more than 100 years ago, but don't seem to remember that many of the prophets in the Old Testament had multiple wives. Mainstream Christians believe the Bible to be the word of God, but only those parts that fit their agenda. Mainstream Christians talk about being saved, but don't even know what happens or don't want to know what happens after death or what happened before birth. Why wouldn't you want to know where you came from, why you are here, and where you are going? The Mormon religion has answers to those questions and the answers are revealed, not interpreted. Anne should join the Mormon church because they are not part of the Mainstream Christians, but are true Christians. The Mormon church gives more away in Humanitarian aid than any other church. The Mormon leaders are not paid clergy and members of the church try to live as close to Christ as possible every day. They don't smoke and they don't chew, but why should you. I really wish everyone could set aside their biases and learn about the Mormon church. It really is a great church and has helped me to draw closer to Christ.
I blurbed my thoughts on this already ( http://covenantoflove.net/random-reflections/of-the-head-but-not-the-body-anne-rice-renounces-christianity-but-not-christ/ ) ...
It amazes me that so many people are still in the dark about this made up thing called religion. All religions originated from the myths and beliefs practiced from the Egyptians thousands of years ago before the so called organized religions took root. If people were to research this they would find the truth but people that follow religion are so brainwashed that they leave their brain at the door when they enter their place of worship. It's time for people to wake up and see that this is a form of control. BTW where is the evidence and proof of a person going to hell
Yes, Anne, much of organized religion is hypocritical. However, that does not negate the existence of God or Jesus' command that we love one another.
For those of you who scoff at the idea of an afterlife, I challenge you to watch Celebrity Ghost Stories on the Biography Channel. I do not know about any proof for Hell, but there is plenty of proof for either Limbo or Purgatory. Ghosts are souls that are trapped between worlds. They are NOT all demons as Evangelical Protestants and Traditional Catholics tend to claim. There is plenty of evidence to show that most spirits are human souls that did not go to either Heaven or Hell at death, but to some other place. It would seem that Protestants, and I am one of them, should listen to Catholics when they say that there is that there is an Intermeddiate place between Heaven and Hell. We should also pray for the souls of deceased loved ones, as this ancient practice goes back to the earliest days of Christianity.
Good for Anne. Her critique of the religious right is very accurate. Glad to see though that she has not abandoned her true faith of following Christ. There is a large community of Christians that are emerging that have dumped the judgemental hypocricy of the religious right and have reformed a fresh vision embracing the gospel's emphasis on caring for the poor, loving your neighbor as yourself, and taking care of the creation....I hope she finds common ground with those that are working on this new vision.
I don't get it. Christ is the REASON there IS Christianity.
If you're not a Christian, then you are not a follower of Christ. It is impossible to separate the two.
I would rather die believing in a God, then to die believing that there isn't a God. If I die and there isn't a God then it won't matter because I'll be dead. But if I die and there is a God then I'll be glad that I believed. I do believe there is a God and life continues, but even if I didn't I think I would want to.
God's love is so great. Jesus died for all of our sins. About being Gay,The ten commandments, the Bible. Adultery, going to hell. I am a Christian. That means you believe in God and know Jesus died for our sins. You do not have to go to church or belong to a denomination. I am Baptist and I go to church maybe 10 times a year. God is forgiving. People commit suicide, which is against the bible. God is your father and I feel he looks at everything. I do not like it when people pull certain passages from the bible and go after people. I try to love all people. If Anne Rice still believes in God and Jesus, then she is still a Christian.................
Unfortunately, Christ and American Christianity have become seperated." Evangelical" has become a political label, and our view of Christ has become meshed with patriotism for one's country. We evangelicals have allowed this to happen. We need more theologians who are not afraid to point this out and steer the church back to being Christ centered.
I hear you, Anne. I've been struggling with the same issues for 13 years, but I find comfort in knowing that Jesus wasn't all that happy with the religious authorities of his day, either. So I can still love Yeshua and have faith in him but be less than pleased with some churches...
A Christian is by definition a 'follower of Christ', yet she denounces all others who do the same. Perhaps had she read the Bible prior to her 'conversion' to Christianity, she would have noted that by today's standard they are indeed anti-gay, anti-feminist and anti-science. A shame it didn't sink in earlier.
Silly comment. Christianity is Christ. Even the original apostles who had daily interaction with Christ were imperfect, just as we are 2000 years later. Giving up on religion is not the answer, but participating as a believer to right the wrongs is more respectable. Walking away is apathetic. I see it a lot and it is sad because the basic tenants of Christ are most easily accessible through religion especially when practiced as a group. I can understand her decision, but I disagree. Christians cannot right the wrongs as individuals and quite frankly if she were to connect all the dots, she should realize spiritually it is more than just about her. Being a christian is being a rock for your brothers and sisters as well.
"Anne Rice Leaves Christianity" is a bit of a misleading headline, I'd say, because I thought I'd read about someone coming to their senses and deciding to leave RELIGION.
Nope.
Just a cleverly worded story about someone leaving organized religion but still a member of the delusional masses.
What a great lady! She is so right. Being Christian does not mean you have to belong to a Church. I am Catholic; however, believe the Pope and all of his Bishops are bordering upon evil based on their behavior covering up Pedophilia etc. and their disdain for gays, and women in the Church.
She's going to become a Muslim because it's such a peaceful, pro-woman "religion".
Rice...as many ignorants who write here....are simply CONFUSED!
It's "is," not "are." If you're going to question the intelligence of a person or group, you have to be, at the very least least, as smart as they are.
The only significance to this is that she got her face in front of the cameras again.
Christianity teaches Love the sinner hate the sin. Christianity, contains sinners because we all are. We Christians should all strive to live as Christ taught us....but we fall....and if Ann truly has Christ has the center of her life she is a Christian...you can't quit it!?
She has it right, Churches have nothing to do with Salvation.
Many of the Churches in hte US make it obvious why Organized Religion is fundamentally flawed. They are not about spreading the message of Christ at all. They are about amassing wealth and controlling the sheep that join them.
I am so sorry for her as I must agree with her observations, but I believe her choice of words Christianity vs. Religiosity is incorrect.
‘They (disciples) were (first) called Christians (Littlie Christ’s) at Antioch” Acts11:26.
Rather than say “I was a Jew” or “I was a Gentile” they now said “I am a Christian” This way they sought to honor there Master Jesus and were not ashamed to confess there relationship to him. I am glad her statement still pledged her commitment to Jesus.
Christianity is a Spiritual thing born of the Holy Spirit. Religion is a man made thing and goes by so many different names as to defy understanding (over 2000 sects).
She's still confused. You can either believe in science OR religion, NOT both.
She's still confused. One can either believe in science OR religion, NOT both.
The real news is that the bible is not what you think it is. Do you really think that such structure, characters and thoughts came completely new out of the first century?
No, I believe that there is something more fundamental going on here. Many churches are experiencing decline and fear does not have the same bite it had in the past. People grow tired of being preyed upon.
For those with a truly open mind and the ability to check the source, of a source, of a source, will see that one has to go all the
way back to Egypt to find the roots of the Judeo–Christian tradition. Christian ideas in the bible are neither original nor unique. Virgin birth,
the Magi, December 25th and on and on all had precedents hundreds to thousands of years before they were supplanted and reworked in
the 2nd and 3rd century AD and placed in the first century for 'discovery' and falsely attributed.
Witness: D. M. Murdock, Kenneth Humphreys and many others.
20% of the US population claim no religious affiliation and the other 80% are slowly waking up to the fact that the closer you look
the more faint the prospect that religion ever delivers on their promise of salvation and eternal life. When you stand on nothing (or plagiarized work not your own), even the pious fall eventually.
Steve
Amen sister! Many of the so-called "followers" of Jesus have totally lost sight of what He came to do.
Keep looking up for your guidance! To look around is to see only the people He came to help!
Buddha would be pleased.
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Her and Edwina Curry would make a nice dinner.
May the sustainer of this universe guide her to the right PATH, the path of the beleivers in the supremacy of the creator and the supremacy of his deputy, MAN, on our Earth chosen for us to live on.
Love you all
JIHAD RASHID
Good for you Anne. The Man (Jesus Christ) would rebuke and repudiate 99% of the so called Christians of today too. Christianity of today has been hijacked by a bunch of mean spirited, hate filled, Scribe and Pharisee talking thugs who steal from the poor and talk Republican from one end to the other. The Jesus of the Bible would tell all the TV preachers to shut up, Sarah Palin to go home and take care of her child instead of lying and making millions by being stupid and lying and Michelle Bachman to go home and repent and quit collecting money from the government for her farm to the tune of a 1/4 million a year Sharron Angle from Nevada to take her medicine and command the selfish demons to come out and hold their peace and for her to quit trying to steal social security and unemployment from the disenfranchised, in His own words, "Go sell all you have, give to the poor, take up your cross and follow me." He would not condemn anyone, not even the adultress woman, but he did condemn the politicans like the Republicans who thought they were so good, he told them they were of their father the devil and that they were children of the devil. Glad you made your statement Anne, we will overcome these devils who made the truth of Jesus Christ into a lie for political reasons and we will love our brother and rebuke the evil ones from our country command them to hold their peace and speak no more in the name of Jesus Christ as they have lied in his name and will be commanded to depart from Him in the Judgement for he "Knew" them not for they did not visit the sick, they did not cloth the naked, they did not visit him when he was in prison, all they thought about was money. Did you hear that Ms. Palin, enjoy it while it last, for the time will come when your money will fail you for your God is your money.
How is it that some idiot winds up blaming Obama for her reasons for leaving a Dying Faith. The hatred and Vitriol that is coming from the right has got to go. CHRIST has a Rude Awakening coming for you Christians and Republican/ Tea Baggers! Maybe if you showed true love and compassion, lived your lives with quiet dignity maybe your faith woudl still be growing a bringing more people to the wonderful message of Yeheshua. Never in my life have I have seen such hatred and intolerance from supposed good people!!!
It sounds like she's at odds with "socially conservative Christianity and is trying to disassociate herself from it by disavowing Christianity. Seems cowardly to me. If she believes in Christ, the Social Gospel and a more progressive message in Christianity, she should be trying to take the "Christian" label back from those she disagrees with, not running away from it. Seems like PR and grandstanding, simply telling the world that she is a good political liberal despite the stereotypes about Christians a bunch of right-wing fundamentalists.
My god carried a hammer, your god died nailed to a cross, any questions?
My God rose from the dead. Your god cannot claim that.
Sadly, Anne sees the church from the outsider point of view. Sad that many Christians are learning to live inside in the joy of the Lord, rather finding issues that the world does not understand who God is. Nowhere in the Bible or walk of Jesus does He condone the sinful lifestyle, even though He ate with them to show how much He loved them. Love does not stop there or condones what God condemns. Until the Body sees itself as a living sacrifice HOLY and acceptable, then what can we present to the world.
Sounds like Anne was truly not seeing Christ for who He is. Only hoping what her image would be of Him.
As long as she doesn't return to writing, I'll sleep easy...
The very fact of the whole matter is this. God loves Anne, and he will continue to love her and make himself real to her, and there is not one freaking thing any of you law hollering, bible thumpiing crazies can do to keep her from God. How do you like that.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!! Its about a relationship and belief in Christ...everything else is man mandated.
nellie616
My God rose from the dead. Your god cannot claim that.
AW NELLIE, OSIRIS MASTERED THAT SKILL THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR SPECIAL JEEBUS, Learn about the mythologies which were recycled by men to enslave the minds and bank accounts of your ilk before you're left without even your daily bread!
how will christianity survive wiithout her???
She is obviously confused. By definition, a Christian is one who has a one-to-one relationship with Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world. If she continues to follow Jesus, then she is a christian. She may not agree with the actions of the so-called christians that she is familiar with, but those are peoples' actions and have nothing to do with Jesus Himself. "Religion" in ANY form is created by man and is prone to all sorts of mistakes (as is man).
All of this discussion is wonderful! I certainly don't agree with everything written, but I do know that this will all lead to people thinking and asking questions about religion, their own and that of others, and it will lead to more and more people coming to the realization of how silly, irrational, counterproductive, and even dangerous, religion is. Think for yourself! Religion is based on ignorant people now long dead (and many still living) controlling what you think and do. It's only been the past decade or two that it's become "O.K." to even have these discussions in our society. "You mean I don't have to believe what my parents/church/pastor told me I have to believe?"
Liberal used to mean tolerant. Now some of the most intolerant people I've ever run across classify themselves as politically liberal. I think it would be nice if Ms. Rice should treat her relationship with God as less of a political statement.
And what about being "an optimistic, happy atheist, living in a world of joy and enlightment, not in fear of a capricious god but in perpetual curiousness and discovery". There's plenty of those.
I just read a story about the Dove World OUtreach Center and their "Burn A Quran Day." Maybe a little extreme, but I think a good example of what Rice is talking about.
Being a Christian is believing in Jesus Christ as your Load and Savior. Its not about belonging to a church, criticizing or discrimination against anyone. The New Testament is very clear: 'let the first among you who is without sin cast he first stone." I do not believe in religion...I believe in Jesus Christ. He welcomed all who believe. NOTHING ELSE but your faith will get you in heaven. AND those who make it will be judged on our actions while on this earth.
I only wish Anne would write another Lestat book and have him convert me into a vampire.
There are many different branches and types of christianity, as there are many different types of christians. Anne Lamott is an author, for example, who is a liberal christian. And William Paul Young in "The Shack" expresses a nonjudgmental viewpoint. It's too bad that Anne Rice doesn't use her considerable writing talent to advocate for her vision of christianity.
Jesus, protect me from Your followers!!
My father refuses to grant my mother a divorce because it's against his religion. However, he listed his marital status as "single and looking."
Wow, Annie Rice, THANK YOU.... After a lifetime (50 yrs) of never enough Christianity, I feel closer to God and Christ than EVER in the church (+full time ministry 20 yrs). I believe we must follow HIM solo, or as you say, we're merely following His followers. And that's wrong. I believe the world has been ripped off due to Christians trying so hard to not be "worldly" that they became "HIGH MAINTENANCE/LOW IMPACT" beings.
If you love Christ and believe in Christ you are still a Christian. My wise 102 yr old grandmother helped me understand the difference between Christianity and Religion – religion is man made and sprinkled with the efforts of the devil. Unfortunately these gay hating people can call themselves Christians but they aren't walking the walk. You will know we are Christians by our love!
The original apostles were all rebels against established religious authority. They likely would be ill-at-ease in a church hierarchy.. but they would still be Christians. It doesn't sound like she is leaving Christianity.. just the establishment built around it.
The whole controversy, such as it is, boils down to semantics. The word Christian means to some following the teachings of Jesus Christ. To others, it means belonging to a church that professes to follow Jesus Christ. What Ms. Rice means is that her interpretation of the teachings of Jesus is so far from the interpretations of conventional Christian churches that she can't reconcile them. IT DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S WRONG! It means she's thoughtful.
And to the atheists: each of us tries to find meaning in our lives. Many people find meaning in the teachings of religion. Admittedly, many religious believers try to shove their beliefs down the throats of non-believers. I believe that's wrong. But I believe it's just as wrong for you to shove YOUR beliefs down their throats. Religions and atheism are all faiths. As an agnostic, I don't know whether any god exists or not, and I believe that the existence or non-existence of spirit can't be proven. Why isn't it enough to say, "I respectfully disagree"?
Christianity is not a "group" its a BELIEF . . . / Its a spiritual disposition that you experience from within./ For Anne O'Brien Rice to say she belonged to a group means that she's not recognizing the spirituality of Faith.
Here are the commandments. 1) Take a good secular university course on critical thinking. 2) READ "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman (a self-professed born-again Christian) who is a theologian whose expertise is textual criticism (of the bible). 3 READ "Letter to a Christian Nation" and "End of Faith" both by Sam Harris. These three acts may open your eyes and even may kick start your brain. Thinking may become a habit. It could lead to reading other historical explorations. Oh, and "The Bible Unearthed" is a very good work by a couple of archeologists. Have fun and keep exploring the nature of man. If being a loyal subject of a mythical monarch is more your thing, grab your dinosaur, saddle him and ride off into the sunset.
For the idiot named Keith{ I voted for Obama and am proud of it. I will vote for him again too.
Interesting. It does not appear to me that she is leaving her faith. It sounds more like she has found it. Judging by what she says at the end of the article, she still believes in Christ, just not in the Christian religion. I can sympathize greatly. I also believe in Christ, but have not been to church in years. This decision of hers makes me respect her even more. I think it says volumes about her courage and intelligence that she is taking the more difficult and honest road of personal faith and growth rather simply doing what the majority says.
This discussion is amazing, seeing the passion shown on both sides of the fence. Even seeing the comments left by those who profess Christianity is astounding. Being a Christian is not about religion. It's about a relationship, YOUR relationship with Jesus Christ. Humankind is so busy trying to recreate Jesus in their own image, that His original message is lost. Look into your own hearts before posting to see how your relationship is with Him. Ms. Rice has chosen how she wishes to persue her relationship. That is a private matter between her and her Lord. No one is qualified to pass judgement on her for that. It doesn't matter to what "religion" you ascribe, ultimately this relationship (or lack of it thereof) will be between you and your Lord.
For those who have been burned by hyprocracy in the churches, remember that Jesus' enemies will ultimately see to destroy His followers. Do not condemn all Christians on the basis of the actions of those who claim to be...
I applaud her for having the courage to stand up publicly for her convictions. If only more people would take the risk the world would have less hate and hate crimes. Very sad that when I hear the word Christians I visualize demonstrators with anti-everything posters using children to promote their message of hate instead of a world unified in unity and Christ's love. Perhaps one day Christians will actually hear Christ's words and emulate his behavior.
I understand what she's saying. I've been thinking the same thing for years now. Christians are destroying the Christian faith. Gone are the days of the old fashioned, steeple churches with folks dressed in nice clothes for church. Now, they dress beyond casual, look and act ghetto, and want to turn church into some sort of rock concert.
Christianity has changed so much and NOT for the better. They put on a big show, but outside the doors all around them are people hurting and suffering. They look and act like trash and look down their noses at people they don't agree with. It's all about image, image, image.
Oh and Jesus wasn't a jew. He was a Levite, from his mothers side. There are after all, twelve other tribes.
Huh? You can be a Christian without being part of organized religion or did no one tell her that.
Ms. Rice has a valid point that many Christians do very un-Christ-like things. However, to separate herself from them is like saying that she is better than everyone else, that she is without sin and therefore can't forgive the sins of others. Good thing Christ did not think that way!
It's all time we leave this christian faith and liberate ourselves. Christianity, for most Americans, has no bearing on their ancestral backgrounds or roots. It is founded on a belief system indigenous to the Levant, not Europe, Africa, etc. We must uncover our roots and the old beliefs (which were crudely and violently supplanted by the "church").
Rice still follows Christ, the teachings of the NT written in 325 at the council of Nicea by the "church", and still believes that Jesus is her savior, deity and messiah. Rice is a Christian. She left a church that was hypocritical with a history of hate and murder. To suggest that a person who follows the NT, Jesus and his deity is not a Christian must explain what other faith this is.
Organized religion is nothing more than a form of control. The majority of my experiences with christians have been totally negative and disgusting. Self-righteous, close minded, hateful, ignorant people. I have no tolerance for them. That's right, I said it and I mean it. NO TOLERANCE!
man is a free moral agent. one thing that remains is that though you have decided to 'quit' xtianity, a day is coming that you will stand before GOD to give an account on how you spent her life on earth. miserable cheerleaders who are praising your decision now will not be there to answer for you. it will be just you and God your creator. it is not just a matter of leaving xtianity. the question i would you is ' have met Christ, are you born again? is your name written in the Lamb's book of life? ponder upon these and retrace your faltering steps back to your creator.
Sorry if ole' Anne is upset by the actions of a tenth of one percent of Christians. The only reason it's become so unbearable I suppose is because media (such as CNN) focus on anything they can that may reflect Christianity in a negative light. They will make a big deal about the most absurd, insignificant people who's opinions no one should care about, but for some reason the media does.
Ms. Rice, I'm not anti-gay, anti-woman (in fact, I am a die-hard feminist), or anti-anyone. I'm just pro-Christ. Denominations are nothing. Politics are nothing. Christ is everything. If you are in Christ, you have all you neeed. Please don't leave Christ because of a big bunch of contentious know-nothings. A bunch of resounding gongs. Pleaase don't leave Christ. May God bless you in every way.
I respect Anne Rice's opinion, I suppose, but you can't really sum up 1 billion or more Christians worldwide the way she does. That's like saying I'm giving up soccer because soccer fans are rude and bad sports. Some are, some aren't. She just needs to meet some Christians that she can relate to better. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I was raised in a Christian home. I attended church virtually every Sunday for 60 years. I have studied the Bible diligently for thirty years. I too am no longer a Christian. I refuse to be even remotely associated with the self-righteous, judgemental bunch that call themselves Christians today. Jesus would be appalled.
I am a Christian and I have learned through the years that the message of Christianity is not flawed, but it is the people who sometimes give the message that is. Christianity has all of the aspects of love. The kind of love that most would give to their own children; structure, compassion, and forgiveness just to name a few. If you are a parent you have rules for your children. You wouldn’t give rules to be overbearing, but you want to protect your children. God gave us rules for the same purpose. That’s where the structure of our society comes from. Check it for yourself. If you don’t believe it ask yourself this, how did the first person know right from wrong? Who told them what was wrong? Everything we learn has a beginning and comes from somewhere. So where did right and wrong come from? If what is right and wrong has no beginning then anything anyone does could not be criticized. That includes murder, hate and injustice. The religion of Christianity here is not perfect because imperfect people at times try to represent it. At times people forget to speak the message of their belief with love, which is the foundation of the whole thing. In love I hope to spread the message of Christ and not in anger, hate, intolerance or self-righteousness. I pray that people can see past the false prophets and see the message for themselves.
Maybe Anne should become a Muslim, they are very pro- gay, pro-woman's rights, non troublesome bunch.
Maybe she can strap some explosives on and blow herself up in a crowd of those terrible terrible Christians and non-Democrats.
you are a free moral agent like every other person. you are free to make decisions but you must ponder upon the ones that affect your relationsship with God.a day is coming that you will stand before God to give an account of your sojourn on earth. at that time all the cheerleaders praising your regretable decision will not be there to answer for you. it will be you and God. you can still retrace your steps back to God before it is too late for u. GOD LOVES U still.
Freedom of Religion is in the American Bill of Rights.
It's her call, period.
Freedom means Freedom.
End of debate.
So much for the Christian Taliban – Bye, Bye
Sadly, a couple of my kids have "left" Christianity for the same reasons. I blame right wing republicans -like fox news and its commentators- for their arrogant propagation of their warped ideas while claiming Christianity. They are doing a great disservice to the cause of Christ. Great comment by Anne: "Follow Christ and not the followers".
Bravo Anne Rice! If more people THOUGHT about the tenets of Christianity and the division it causes amongst all peoples not just Cathholics and Protestants, the fewer people who would espouse this idiocy.
As I read some of the comments in this page I became very sad. I want to say that I am a Christian, a follower of Christ, and am proud of it. But at the same time I also want to apoligize for other Christians or so called 'Christians' who have tainted what our Lord Jesus Christ really wanted us to represent. The point of being a Christian and going to church is not to be seen like perfect people, but instead as sinners who come to confess that we are sinners and need Him to be our Savior and Redeemer. We are meant to be the body of Christ, the children who will one day inherent the kingdom of God. I will say this, God loves the sinners but hates the sins.
Never heard of her. So what? Old woman discovers "free will" and abandons her belief system. It's not really news worthy. So many sel-promoters.
Being a Christian is not about being in a religion or a 'church'. Being a Christian is about conforming to the will of loving Father Creator who sacrificed a body in His Son so that we could escape this wicked, corrupt and evil world system.
Even the earth itself is being contaminated by the fallen nature of mankind which is manifested in complete utter selfishness.
There is an ABSOLUTE truth and it is found in the PERSON of Jesus Christ. Come to know him personally and be converted and saved from his wrath.
Besides that – Ann Rice was a Catholic. A Catholic has NEVER been a Christian. So in a sense, it's a good thing if she left that abomination but we must all acknowledge the absolute TRUTH of God's Word – not the one most people make up in their own minds...which is exactly what Ann Rice is doing.
It is your narrow view that represents much of what is wrong with Christianity. As a Protestant, I can tell you that Catholics are just as Christian as Protestants. Billy Graham accepted Catholics as fellow Christians way back in the 1950's. You should do the same. It is never too late to open your heart and mind.
So I can't help but wonder... if she says she loves Christ but not Christianity, what does she do with the words of Jesus Himself? He didn't always preach fluffy "feel-good" sermons, y'know.
LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE
Keith, you're an idiot, Anne's comment has nothing to do with Obama. Why is it that people like you think all of today's problems in society has to be the fault of the current administration? Inquiring minds would like to know. Besides, who care if she chooses to let christianity, the world will not come to a halt because of one insignificant lady.
Just look up the Westboro Baptist church and you will see why Christianity is losing its luster.
Here's a better story ... about a woman who was NOT self promoting how she abandoned her belief system -
"Christian Woman Stops Robbery With Faith"
Sounds like another shopping-cart Christian. Taking what you want, leaving what you don't. This is how different sects of religion are born. Maybe she should write her bible.
Brave Lady.
Here here Anne Rice I solute you 100%. I also left that deplorable religion years ago and never looked back...
Brian – get a brain – you sound like you may be a draft dodging gay atheist. And you might not get to see Jesus – you just might go straight to Hell instead.
The Little Baby Jesus is out back smoking a joint with his hippie friends.
To LivinginVa,
If you were to closely examine Isaiah 2:2-4, it would reveal that the Christian congregation that Jesus established and began operation on Pentecost 33 C.E. with the outpouring of holy spirit upon the 120 in Jerusalem, would apostasize or fall away and then be reestablished in "the last days", with the "mountain of the house of Jehovah becom(ing) firmly established above the top of the mountains."(verse 2) The apostle John in about 98 C.E., said that there were individuals who were already at work corrupting the pure teachings of Jesus, for he wrote, calling these ones "antichrists", meaning "instead or against Christ": "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of our sort."(1 John 2:18, 19)
And the apostle Paul told the Ephesian older men, that "after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things, to draw away the disciples after themselves."(Acts 20:29, 30) Thus, after the death of the apostles or "while men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds (counterfeit Christians) in among the wheat ("sons of the kingdom", true Christians)"(Matthew 13:25).
It is sad to see (& hear) how the Christian church has failed our Lord for so many of you that have posted. Churches are not perfect by any means but there are good ones. Corporate worship is an important part of the faith journey. Faith in the Trinitarian God of Christianity is about living life for more than selfish individual gratification. It is not about me or you, it is about God. I find it very interesting that if you take time to really read Christian Scripture, it took humankind just thre chapters to screw up God's Creation. The rest of the writings are about God working to set creation back as created. The churches job is suppose to be as an helper in that journey. As a wise person once said, "the church exists for those that are not there yet".
By and large, organized religion, churches and Christianity have become the equivalent of the Black Heart Society.
The responses are better than the article. It's like Jerry Springer meets so called spirituality. Religion is born of the ego of human beings. To reassure their minds that they are right about everything. But all that we are doing is giving our ego a stroke and trying to save the other "ignorant" people hoping to become Christlike ourselves. Christ taught us how to become better human beings. Apparently we all ignore that teaching, including myself, as we bumble through life. We should focus on making ourselves less right and more forgiving. Then we can truly shut up and listen to each other instead of our selfish thoughts. I am in this class too. I remind myself this to make myself a better human being.
Christianity has changed over the years. Every preacher that I have ever known says he talks to God. If that is true then why do they all preach different things? I used to be very active in the church. I finally realized it is now a religion of imperfect people trying to convince everyone they are right and theirs is the only way – but they all disagree in many areas. The bible has been interpreted by men who as human beings have slanted the meanings as they see them. Same as the preachers who preach through their own understtanding which is slanted by their own views – which is why they disagree. The church & 'Christians" are riddled with hypocrisy now. The true Christian is a rare find. Christianity was great in Christ's day. I believe in the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit. I just believe the Holy Spirit is Female and is the Goddess of the Pagan religion. I lean more toward Paganism now. I am with you Ann.
Congrats! a great first step for her into true religion. I think if she would have first looked deeply into other world views such as buddhism, or modern paganism this wouldn't have been an issue. I suggest that Anne should take a nice hike into the woods, meditate and experience the true creator of Nature- I think she would like her.
If the churches taught us correctly, they would have told us that Jesus simply wanted a relationship with us...not rules and regulations. The greatlest comannd is to love one another, when we do that, we have completed the relationship God and Jesus wanted us to have. Simple.
If CNN does not pre-screen comments here – then why did my conservative viewpoint simply vanish without a trace???
Anne,
by your response, you've proven that you are a true Christian. Your knowledge has been elevated and you have left behind the chaff. Welcome to the Church of God.
Valid points are made throughout these responses. The fact is, as she is quoted, she still is a believer of Jesus Christ. I apologize for those who have caused others to be confused by the contaminated church. I cannot understand all the actions of some those individuals either! Just because one attends church does not make them a follower of Christ and it sure does not make them perfect. It is all about being saved by grace through faith in which is about Jesus. Understandably , it is a mystery to those who do not believe. The church, nor anybody in the church, will save you. To bash the church, religion or Jesus makes one as hypocritical as those who call themselves Christians but pass judgement on others. May we all examine ourselves and our intent as to exist in these times.
Heaven is going to be one hell of a place when all the Christians get there! Old Bill
Can't blame Ms. Rice. In the perhaps ultimate of ironies, Christians are ruining Christianity. Nice work, righteous people - you're driving people away from Christ, not toward.
I agree with her 100%..I am going through the same thing right now. I am a born again christian,loving Christ with all my heart.But most of the people I know are mean, cruel and backstabbers. I read today that christians are going to burn the Coran on Sep11...in Florida at a church. I am sick an dtired of mindless christians and I am so sad to see how these people are taking the message of Jesus Christ and become fanatics bending and twisting His truth. Yes I am sick of it. I have been a christian for 17 years and I am sadder then ever..I believe religious fanatics from all different religions will bring the end of this world as we know it. It has got to stop NOW
lazy bum...if she believes in Christ, she's a Christian...how about instead of quitting, she works to change the hearts of those "believers" who don't follow Christian principles
Religion is the Tylenol of the masses.
Easy to get, but not very helpful. Toxic in larger doses. Sometimes laced with poison by crazies.
If she stopped caring what other people thought of her and started to follow only Christ, I'd say that she just became a Christian.
THANK YOU! Finally!
Jesus Christ himself would not want anything today with today's so-called "Christians." I've said it for years. It's wonderful that someone with some fame is saying it publicly.
I agree with her, i followChrist and the teachings in the bible, not what others have interupeted to fit their views. And what they use as a right to judge others and others way of life. Most so-called Christians will be mighty surprised when they get to the gates and find Christ does not appreciate others deciding to take his place and pass judgement on their peers.
Well said.
I find that most Christians know very little about Christianity or its history (they are more or less indoctrinated as children and just accept it without hesitation due to parental involvement in said religion). I'm willing to bet that most reasonable people would not want anything to do with it if they actually studied it. It has immeasurable amounts of blood on its hands. Inquisitions, crusades, witch burnings, – a.k.a. The Dark Ages. - Those that DO know about its history and still associate themselves with it try to rationalize it by saying something to the effect of, "that happened back THEN. I didn't do any of that." - Which is tainted logic...imagine if someone were to join the Nazi party now and say something like "the holocaust and all that happened back THEN. I didn't do any of that." - Religion gets a pass on such things...simply because it's religion.
I find that most Christians know very little about Christianity or its history (they are more or less indoctrinated as children and just accept it without hesitation due to parental involvement in said religion). I'm willing to bet that most reasonable people would not want anything to do with it if they actually studied it. It has immeasurable amounts of blood on its hands. Inquisitions, crusades, witch burnings, – a.k.a. The Dark Ages. – Those that DO know about its history and still associate themselves with it try to rationalize it by saying something to the effect of, "that happened back THEN. I didn't do any of that." – Which is tainted logic...imagine if someone were to join the Nazi party now and say something like "the holocaust and all that happened back THEN. I didn't do any of that." – Religion gets a pass on such things...simply because it's religion.
If y'all would just follow my system, none of this nonsense would be necessary. Have a nice nirvana.
"William Blake: Heaven is going to be one hell of a place when all the Christians get there! Old Bill"
Thanks William, you are a man after my own heart!
Congratulations, a good first step to recovery from religion.
I am a Christian and I go to a church that does not preach intolerance. There are many different churches for a reason! Sometimes you have to look long and hard to find the right one. Ours is a "grace" driven church and we are followers of Christ...period. I couldn't go to a church that was judgmental! I'm sad that people might read what she says and believe that she's an expert in Christianity in the U.S. She's only an expert in what she's found in her journey. As an example, Obama's Reverend Wright spewed hatred, and got a lot of publicity for doing it, but does that mean that every church with a Black pastor & congregation does that? NO! Nor does every church – or Christian – spew non-tolerance. I cringe when I hear of the "religious right" in the media – that's not me nor is it any of the majority of Christian friends I have in my life and church.
Christianity is not about hate. If there are so-called Christians who hate gays, democrats, or any other group, then, -God so judge my words- They are NOT living the Christian life! Romans 12:14; 17-21 states: Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with ALL men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. Therefore: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing so you will heap coals of fire on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
God wants all Christians to love everyone- every friend, every kin, every enemy. That does mean that God wants Christians to be pacifists- for example, I dare say, I love Muslims, but that wouldn't stop me from shooting and killing one to stop him from killing an innocent. In the Civil War, biological brothers were on opposite sides of the battlefield, brothers who loved one another, but that didn't stop them from firing at one another.
But what it seems Miss Rice is speaking of here is about solid hatred, hatred, which God has made clear, He does not want for his children. If any brother or sister of mine reads this whom doubts their faith for the same reason, don't! Find a different church to go to, find another Christian who's living the Christian life how he or she should, and most of all pray to God and read the Bible! Don't give up on Him or your faith! There are others out there trying to live how God wants, there are others like you, and even if you can't find them, you will always have God. Amen.
This seriously grieves me heart. You can't believe in Jesus and not follow what the Bible says and what He teaches! That's like me saying I believe in driving a car, but I don't believe in the engine, tranny or gas tank! It doesn't work. If you follow Jesus, you clearly understand that He came to save ALL sinners! I believe that having unconditional love for all is key-but NOT toward the sin-love the sinner but hate the sin. I realize that we shouldn't follow one another-but if we're going to spend eternity in eachother's presence-shouldn't we followers of Jesus Christ be more loving and unconditional with one another?
She hasn't quit Christianity, she's quit the church. BIG difference.
Unbelievable how many people still don't get the message – CHRIST is MORE IMPORTANT than Christianity. No where in the bible does it say you must be a Christian. It says you must believe in Jesus and follow his teachings. Jesus didn't mandate Christianity. He mandated treat others as you yourself want to be treated. One golden rule. Christianity didn't come along until well after Jesus Christ had been crucified. Christians should really be called Paulians because that is who's teachings they really follow and my jury is still way out on that guy. Remember he persecuted Christians for a very long time. Given some of the hatred spewed in Paul's various letters I often wonder if he really converted or whether he perpetuated a huge hoax on the world and in fact his real intent was to corrupt Jesus' message and undo Jesus' teachings from within. If you compare Paul's letters to the gospels, Jesus' true message, there are huge discrepancies. Remember God works in mysterious ways, but so does the devil.
Rachel, Anne Rice is calling organized Christianity anti-science because it always has been. From the time of Galilleo who lived many years of his life under house arrest for proposing the preposterous theory of the earth revolving around the sun to modern times with Christians claiming evolution is not factual. One can not deny scientific fact and claim to be scientific.
Good heavens.
What's next Anne, going to leave "Whitedom" because all whites must be racist, etc...
Good to know she's leaving "Christianity" yet still follows Christ... duh duh duh... hello!
Thank you Anne. I'm a fan of your books, and have gone through the same type of realization a few years back. I don't want to be in their "club" . I don't want to know the "secret handshake" ... vote how they tell me to or listen to their hate.
Welcome to humanity! It's good to be just a mortal.
somewhat I agree with Valerie but in one way: who gives a crap if she wants to be a "christian" or not anymore??? why make such a big deal out of it? do whatever u want woman. we don't care!!! guess she needed some more attention from the media... my opinion
YAWN!!!!!!! Why does this person feel the need to announce to the world her personal relationship with God? Yes, she IS self-centered...
It's fun to read all the posts... I think Anne was able to verbalize what many poeple already know and feel. I still believe if Christ were to come back today it would be the "Christians" that crucify him again.
Yeaaaa...... a recovering christian.....I was deeply saddened when she went on her little christian safari for 10 years....and her writing skills and creativity decreased. Now, as she slowly regains her atheist sensibilities and logical thought, her creativity hopefully will reignite and she can continue writing those gothic supernatural thrillers, playing with religious and spiritual concepts for entertainment purposes only, but not taking any of that supernatural or religious nonsense seriously.
While she still has some type of connection with her personal defintion of "christ", I'm hoping in time that will fade away, if it is referring to a belief in a supernatural being.
Welcome back Anne!
I don't know if I agree with her, but I definitely respect her decision.
However, Christianity is not about the church you belong to. Its how you feel and what you believe about Christ and God.
Krishna, Buda, Zoroaster, Moses, Christ, Mohammad, Bahaú'llah.
Don't worry all of them loves you.
Hmmm – valid points. I myself have a very deep & personal relationship with God, BUT shun all forms of organized religion. No one person – be it minister, priest, rabbi – whatever – has the right to tell me how to live my life. Too many people judge others by their religious beliefs – is that not breaking one of the commandments? Judge not – lest you be judged yourself. Too many hypocrites! So, Ms. Rice – you decided to tell the world because..............? Oh I get it – you thought it would be of importance to me. It isn't – just live your life – do the best you can & pray for the rest!
Jesus wasn't trying to start Christianity .. he was trying to teach about the power within .. study the Hammadi Library
So basicially now she is "anti-christian" because she is not willing to call a SIN a SIN! I guess all behavior is just ok. Do you really think that is what God honors.
Christ is just a fictional person and Christianity is just an invention to gather the masses and gain power. Get real...get smart.
I would argue with Anne by saying that she's pulled away from Christian churches and not left 'Christianity'. I suspect that many Christians have had to deal with apparent conflicts between the tenants of Christianity and the actual functioning of many Christian churches. Many churches are accepting and offer a venue for helping the poor and the local community. I understand it's difficult at times to overlook the hipocrisy of the church, but many congregations are forgiving and seek the same God as Anne.
Interesting Article for sure. She made a good point though. Christ is MORE important. The problem with it is while a great deal of follows get caught up in the system that they forget to NOT judge. But in truth Christ is Christianity. Sure every system gets corruption every now & then they will have to answer one day. There is but one name given unto man "JESUS" and the other word is "LOVE". A lot of people love for them selves and not for others. Even Jesus had his follows and Apostles. It's like if you want to build a air plane you need people. When people come together and REALLY love the way it was meant to be the angels in heaven rejoice. I'm not preaching. It's hard for us to see that but we can feel it. Forgiven and growth as good human beings is important.
Not all Christan churches sponsor hatred. Try Roman Catholic – I've never heard a nasty sermon at a Roman Catholic church.
What happened to separation of church and state anyway?
I understand Anne Rice`s criticism, but it is simply wrong of her to label all Christians like that, wow. And may I remind her, that Christianity is a world religion, not just American.
what a nut job, who cares what you think, its not all about you lady, but you made it all about you, it sounds like you need a time out.
God/Jesus IS love. the rest is chaff blowing in the wind. These days I wonder if belonging to a 'church' that is anti-gay, anti-feminist etc etc is sinful in itself....
Ann Rice is 100% correct. Whst she is saying is true. Her statements are less about a belief in Christ and more about how religion is used to promote a political agenda in whatever form that agenda may be presented. I feel the same way she does. I stopped believeing in religion long ago.
Thank you, Anne, for speaking up.
All you have to do is look at any of the examples currently on display. The politics here in the US. The recent release from the Pope's office that ordaning females is a crime against the church that is at the same level as pedophelia by the preists in the church. And people STILL believe in and defend these organizations. Amazing.
While Anne has freedom of expression and a right to choose or not to choose a religion, i do see an issue with her contention that a religion takes away people's own thoughts so that they become bound to follow religious disciplines or go to hell. Without a discipline life becomes a nightmare. Will you be able to apply this principal at work and refuse to follow your boss's instructions? on the road can you refuse to stop at the red light or drive on the wrong side of the traffic? No Anne, discipline makes your life better, it make you a better person and it makes you believe in "live and let live".
Anne, it is not right to leave Christianity as a whole since there are so many wonderful Christians in this religion and the teachings are unsurpassed by any other religion or denomination, this is guaranteed since Jesus Christ is the only ONE who can give you Salvation! Truly, no other religion can offer that. I understand there are also others who misconstrue the Bible and what it is actually saying in order to justify their hatred and prejudice against others. But Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior and Christianity stands for what He left for us, the principles with which to live and Love one another and Save oneself from utter destruction if one does not become a Born Again Christian. I am not the only one saying this. It is Biblical that one needs Jesus Christ in order to Save themselves from a dark eternity and attain Heaven.
Do not hold it against Christianity the sins of those who conducted The Inquisition. They were individuals who knew not what they did and God has answered them already.
While you have the right to choose due to your free will, I hope you consider the ramifications of your actions and instead choose to continue to Love Jesus and Christianity but if you so choose, disassociate yourself from those so-called "Christians" who do not truly live the Christian way of life and refuse to learn how to and instead strive to teach them, if they are so willing, the true Christian way so they will learn from you as an example and continue on their path towards Salvation. May God Bless you in your endeavors to become a better Christian.
One of the problems people (who want to define their own God and make their own rules) experience when shopping for a church is that in finding a church that doesn't follow the Bible in one area, it also doesn't follow the Bible in other areas. Of course the result is off kilter. When a person quits trying to define God and accepts that the Bible is the inspired word of God and becomes knowledgeable about what the Bible says, then that person can compare any particular church's or religious leader's teachings and determine whether false information is being presented. Too many people want to treat church attendance like going to the movies. Reading the Bible is a required aspect of being a successful Christian.
Since when does being Christian mean you're anti-gay or anti-Democrat or anti-whatever? there are many who are pro-gay, Democrats, etc, and still Christian.
Also why do people feel the need to tell us they are gay or changing beliefs or whatever the latest fad to be or not be is. I'm sure most of us don't care, if people like your work they will still appreciate you whether your gay, straight Christian, Buddhist or atheist. Now if you change too much from what your fan base is and your popularity drops that is something to be concerned about, depending on your conscience.
I think this is a perfect example of someone receiving a revelation of Christ only to have it choked out by an encounter with religion.
Newsflash: If you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal savior, then you are a Christian. That and only that is the definition of Christianity. It really is black and white and you can't have it both ways.
Good for her. From what I have seen Christianity is a lot of "make your own rules" along with hypocrites. She is doing what she personally feels is best for her and that is what I believe ultimately not what everyone else thinks and believes. .
Since we are talking about Christianity and therefore things Christian, for those who would like to become Christians through being Born Again, the following prayer is offered. It is the key to Salvation when you pass on. Without Jesus now, you will not have His light later on in your new life but instead darkness. The choice is entirely yours. But remember, any person's soul who is not Born Again will not go to Heaven.
"Almighty God, I confess that I have sinned and ask for your forgiveness. I repent for my sins that I have committed and ask your forgiveness . I firmly believe that Jesus Christ, your only begotten Son, died on the cross for my sins and resurrected for my Salvation. I desire eternal life through Jesus Christ and accept it in faith. I will follow you, Jesus, for every day of my life and will serve you. This I pray in the mighty and Divine name of Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen."
If you have prayed this prayer with sincerity in your heart you are on your way to having Eternal Life at the time of your passing from this temporary life unto the next which is eternal. May God Bless each and every person who has said this prayer for the salvation of their soul.
Hooray for Anne Rice! I love all the people I grew up with...I reconnected with many of them (on facebook)I quickly learned they are "Christians" who hate gays and generally they hate anyone who does not agree with them. I know than to try to engage in any dialog with them....they hate liberals and I guess I would be classified as one. When vitriol is high there is no discussion. No one learns anything.
You cannot reject Christianity and still be a follower of Jesus Christ. You cannot reject the church, the old testament, the new testament, or manipulate the laws that God has put down and still try to push yourself off as a believer. Anne Rice wrote fairy tails about Vampires and other nonsense. Anne Rice is as much of a sinner as I am. Their is only one road to paradise, and Rice just took a wrong turn. I pray she gets back on track. She should break out her bible and read it, then read it again, then again. And if she still feels the same...
The teachings of Jesus are precious. The teachings of the "church" are questionable to say the least. Do some serious study of the entire history of Christianity. You will be amazed. Ann Rice is courageous enough to voice what many, many people are thinking. Hats off to your honesty.
lol all of this over anne rice saying shes leaving christianity, i love you it. i mean honestly who cares. were apes on a ball in a solar system. were nothing but specs of dust in the much larger existence. for me i say you can have your jesus and you made up religions and all your lies. prove to me once any of it exists lol. your nothing get over yourselves. apes is all you are. you still act on so many base instincts. there is no purpose. there is no heaven. there is no proof of after life period.
Don't follow...lead by example...solid choice Anne Rice...regardless of religion it's faith that matters.
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You people are strange!
This woman just keeps advertising to the world how confused she is.
She clearly has no understanding of what Christianity is. Anyone who thinks Christianity is "anti-Science" does not know enough about either Christianity or Science or both. Evangelicals are "anti-Science" no doubt about that, but they are not Christians in the historical sense of the word, they are a radical cult of relatively recent origin that appeals to uneducated ignorant people mostly in the USA. Perhaps she is referring to things like euthanasia or stem cells etc..but these are questions of morality and ethics not Science. Nobody disputes the science involved, only the human judgments involved.
she sounds like she's lost hope with the churches she's been to, and which is natural. there are lots of "dead" churches in spirit because we are reaching in the times where satan has control of these congregations. remember, jesus comes with a sword to divide relationships , we aren't here to please others but His will.
Really,now. Who actually gives a rats goolie what this silly old "once was" thinks. She acts as if she were a Cardinal who woke in a blaze of rational clarity. She's just facing her own irrelevance and angling for the market share she lost with her fawning flops after burning out the vampire franchise. She's become a sad old boor.
Ms. Rice's lack of love for many who call themselves Christians is understandable given the vile that proceeds from our mouths when self-righteousness and judgement replace what Jesus said for us to do: LOVE ONE ANOTHER (John 13). Her professed love and dependence upon Jesus is beautiful and hopefully one day His Church will better reflect His mercy toward those of opposite viewpoints. Remember: our devotion to Christ is best shown by demonstrating His love to ALL around us, even our enemies, even Democrats, even Republicans, even...
There's a lot of hair-splitting going on since she's not actually abandoning her belief in Christ. It would have been clearer for Rice to say that she was leaving ORGANIZED religion. To say she is no longer a Christian but still believes in Christ is just semantics. The definition of someone who follows Christ is a Christian although I guess she can choose (or reject) labels for herself.
The problem with faith and religions is people using their faith in the service of their ego. It does not matter if you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, or and atheist. Conservative Christians use their faith in the service of their ego far more than others I have known.
good for you, rice.
Ok beyond all of your religious beliefs, the woman can believe what she wants. It doesn't matter who likes it or what we think. What I really want to know is if she is going to go back to writing amazing books? I am not a fan of the new books she has been putting out. I want some new vampire novels!!
So she believes but she doesn't believe? She's a soul searching nutjob. She gave up logic and common sense when she stopped being an atheist and started believing in the super natural. I wonder if she believes in vampires too...
Dear Anne,
Nobody cares. Shut up and get a life.
Congratulations, Anne. It's much better to be honest with ourselves than to follow the crowds.
Bravo to Ms. Rice for casting off organized religion.
Even if God exists, as he is presented in the world today by organized religions (all of them), he should be rejected out of hand.
Religion is a, if not *the*, root cause of all wars, since organized religion by its very definition must, and does, promote intolerance, hatred of the Other, and violence to do away with those who believe differently.
God as represented by the religions of today's world is the most negative, most destructive, most harmful force in the planet. Without religion, God may be valuable to the planet. Tied to religion, he is not.
I support your decision.
I left 50 year ago same reasoning.
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I am sad for this person who is obviously ignorant of scripture. I am also surprised CNN elevates this person's story to a headline. Sad day. You cannot be a lone Christian. You cannot be a Christian outside of community. A Christian is someone who is "Christ-like." That is what the term means. You cannot create your own religion around Christ. People have tried throughout the ages, but it is all a delusion. We follow a person not a people, but we are on a journey as a people and called to build that people up. I wonder how much of the New Testament this person reads. I feel sorry for her when she stands face to face with Jesus and He asks her, What did you do for the least of these brothers of mine? Christianity is not about politics but it is about ethics. It is about relationship and relationships. It is about holiness in the image of Christ. This is the bottom line and there is no budging it. Holiness is the other side of love. Holiness imitates Christ and that means it excludes all that is contrary to Christ's character, including sin.
Your fairy tale is better than mine.
Anne,
You did not become a Christian, you became a consumer of the Christian Mythos, two entirely separate things. A follower of Christ does none of the things that you mention in this interview. However, those who see Christianity as a means to gain power, money, or to merely feel superior to others engage in them regularly...and the world is full of those who "...draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men..."
You are not alone, Anne.:
Reading Anne Rice's announcement, and some of the reactions, I am reminded of Gandhi's comment that western civilization would be a good idea. Christianity would also be a good idea.
Too bad it took so long. Religion was used to explain the natural world prior to science. Jesus died an ordinary man, and he's not coming back. The world is ours to destroy or preserve for future generations–forget Revelations–it is our choice. There is no security, its all constant change. You'll never see the deceased again, so be sweet while you are alive. Heaven and hell is a state of mind, now is all there is. Religion had its place years ago, but its irrelevant now–its all fairy tales.
It's about time! You know that part about love Leviticus 19:18 but then you see them so hateful, tea parties etc.
You know the part Matthew 22:21 pay your taxes etc. But yet they get all mad don't want to pay taxes.
Family values, yet they don't want to pay taxes, Schools run on taxes, DHS etc.
The Spanish Inquisition, No love there!!
The Bible? Who wrote it? Why did they leave out parts to it?
Well you know....
Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. And there is nothing buried that will not be raised." Book of Thomas V.5
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
I believe, but not as it is here & now. I go by Jesus saying to be an thinking man.
I find out for my self. Not by blind faith, like standing in the highway with moving trucks. That is tempting god to me!
Anyway does everyone know Anne Rice books are for entertainment.
I sincerely understand your feelings Anne. Most Christians are not even aware that Jesus never taught Christianity. He taught love, freedom, justice, and equality. Christianity was created many years after his death as a way to control his followers. The rulers and the priests of the temples persecuted Jesus. It was the common folk that loved him. When it is said that he died for our sins, I disagree because each man and woman will be accountable for their own actions and deeds. He was murdered, plain and simple. The Twelve Apostles were systematically murdered, plain and simple. Evil men controlled the planet then, and evil men control the planet now. And that evil will never let righteousness prosper. But fear not, the weak and powerless will inherit the Earth once the evil and powerful destroy themselves.
It has taken Anne Rice this long to determine that while God is infallible, humanity's interpretation of the Almighty is riddled with error? I've never thought she was much of a writer but I'm very surprised to learn she's just reasoned this one out. On the other hand, to use such a hackneyed observation as a publicity gimmick is a fairly canny ploy. She's in the news again without doing anything newsworthy.
I agree that there is a strong bias against science in the Christian community. I did not find that to be so in the Catholic church but it is prevalent in the Evangelical church. Still, I do find plenty of nerds at church who I can talk to intellectually about evolution and astronomy. I totally understand where Anne Rice is coming from though. She must indeed have had a hard time of it. I'm sure she has a circle of like minded friends she can worship privately with. God Bless her.
Man created God in his own image.
she hve a valid point for saying following Christ doesn't mean follow hisfollowers..making Christ the central of your life counts the most..religion gives a badt taste to the christianity..they're controlling people who want to control the the people who tries to follow Christ..by the way the so called christians are FULL of LEGALISM that set aside the real work of the Holy Spirit...I'd say to her..may God continue to open up your eyes in the ways of the REAL GOD..
I am proud of Anne for doing what she feels is the right thing to do. The Christian religion has forgotten it's most important cornerstone: Unite as a people under gods love, to congregate and celebrate the life of Jesus Christ and his second coming. Today's religion unites under the common hatred of their fellow man and gathers in paranoia and anguish, not in true joy and in true celebration.
I left my former church because the pastor had the audacity to be in the pulpit and tell us that we all needed to get out souls right with god if Obama was elected because he was the antichrist and the apocolypse was coming soon. Even a pastor that I respected as a very good human being prided himself in thinking that dinosaur bones were put in the ground by the devil. I also know some christians who don't put too much stock in the rules and regulations and put their time and money into making people's lives better
I agree 100%with Anne Rice. Theire seems to be no place today in organized religion for independant thoughts.
I don't blame Anne. The crux of faith in Christ is that we all fall short of perfection. One person is hateful, another is self-centered, and another is judgemental. Some Christians run around acting like Pharisees, condemning those who are not perfect. It was Christ who had the greatest disdain for those who pretended to be more perfect than the general populous. Today some in the Christian movement have taken up that pharisaical mantra, bringing a black-eye to those who dedicate their lives to showing that God loves the lost "as a father to a son".
Anne is absolutely right I can see her point of view after all it was the temple goers of Jesus day that he argued with. You can say your a Christian and still have a different point of view from the right. I do!!! She is correct about the arguing in the church. Why so many Churches ? Why so much division? Why so little LOVE?
Hey, calm down. It seems Rice was upset when she made this statement. Read it with care: one cannot leave Christianty and continue to believe in Christ. What she actually meant to say is that she quit her church or local Christian community. She states she continues to believe in Christ therefore it is clear she continues to make part of the Christ's Church on Earth.
I'm more saddened than anything to see that she was given the wrong experience of Christianity. The Christianity that I, and the rest of my fellowship community, follow is quite the opposite that she describes. We go by what is written in the Bible in plain English, and last time I checked, I did not see any "Thou shalt not believe science" (some of the Christians I know are actually in the medical field and studied, GASP, biology), or "Thou shalt condemn others". In fact, condemnation of others is strictly forbidden in the Bible(Romans 2:1, if you are interested). Yes, there are ways of the world I disagree with, but it is not my job to condemn, but if I was asked if certain things are a sin, I am compelled to be honest; "hate the sin, love the sinner" is how I approach the world. I wish that Ms Rice had encountered more people like "Hopefully humble", "Mar", and "Pete", perhaps she would think differently about Christianity.
I am amazed that as far developed as we have become that people still believe in this "god" idea. The whole concept is more far fetched than the easter bunny or santa clause! I went to a x-ian school for 1 year in the 4th grade and remember laughing to myself that adults actually believed the crap they were teaching me! The bible is the moat moronic thing I have ever read....and people actually believe it. That amazes me!
Of course the heathens just couldn't wait to post their support for dear old Anne, and their contemptuous dislike for anything and everyone close to the Word of God. Oh, how they take such joy in bashing our Savior while at the same time claiming their "enlightenment".
Well, here's the simple truth: These people don't follow the Bible because it simply is not easy. It's one of the hardest things for us fallible humans to ever do. It asks us to make sacrifices. It asks us to change. Jesus asked that too, and not everyone can do it. That's okay. It's okay to give up. But don't proclaim your liberation and your emancipation as if you had just gotten out of jail, you just look foolish. Just get on with your life and don't reinvent the Word. If you can't hang, we understand. But don't ask a true Christian to throw a party for you.
Imagine ants celebrating mass with a big ant nailed on a cross. What is it about humans that makes them be so sure that they "know" God and that God is somehow concerned with them any more than with ants and mosquitoes? (I find it particularly laughable to think that God isn't smart enough to create evolution. Creationism is an insult to God's abilities.)
I think her statement was poorly worded. She still believes in God and in Christ, she is just rejecting the current agenda of far-right conservative republican religious horse-snot. I don't buy into all that anti-Obama, anti-Liberal, anti-Democrat, anti-gay, anti-immigration, anti-feminist garbage either, but that has nothing to do with being a Christian, no matter what the corrupt pastors of any church claiming "the only way to be a Christian is to vote Republican" might say.
That was quick!
I didn't read all the comments, but many of them. No one seems to have mentioned Baha'i. If I were to return to any religion, it would be Baha'i, as their central tenet is that God has spoken to many people, many lands, many times, and that all believers are members of God's family, and should treat one another with respect.
When Ann Rice stated she is leaving Christianity it reminded me of what Mohandas Gandhi was quoted saying. “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Everyday more people become disillusioned with religion as the priests and rabbis strain to keep there members. Whats the most important aspect of being a Christian? Jesus said, "I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves." Does your religion encourage love and unity with others?
hahaha! did she take out another full page ad in the Sunday edition of the New Orleans Times-Picayune to announce this? AL COPELAND IS DEAD, LONG LIVE AL COPELAND!... too funny
I'm 72, fought in 2 wars, have 2 kids, killed a few men and have arrived at a conclussoin. ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE. Everything is physics and chemistry and any idealogical gibberish made up by people is just that, gibberish. Jesus is Joe Smith is Jones Town is Waco is the Crusades is.. is.. is.. It's all crap... and most of you people type really bad. think
I think it is her personal decision to leave Christianity...but I dont think there is a need for her to announce it...people are influenced by others and someone as influential could sway people to think or feel a certain way. Keep stuff like that to yourself is my opinion.
How is she not christian and follow Christ? This make not sense Thank you.
L. Warren,
Obamacare and the majority of the Big Government agenda has nothing to do with "Love Thy Neighbor." Yes Christ wants us to help others, but do you believe Christ wants you to give to those that can help themselves? Obamacare, specifically, isn't about helping others at all but merely power, no more, no less. Your family cares, your friends care, your doctor cares, but the government can't care as all the government can do is control through legislation.
Forcing others to pay for others through taxation is not a Christian thing but rather an act of greed itself. Christ, I believe, wants us to voluntarily help others through the kindness of our own hearts and at what we believe is fair and helpful.
It is so sad how some believe that the Liberal agenda is helping others when in fact all it does is enable them. Helping others is one thing; giving them no incentive to help themselves is another.
God does not care about rituals. He cares about your heart and what it says about you. A person's behavior will mirror thier heart so many will say that they love God, but will lie and deceive. Such a person does not love God but only themselves.
Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
I am truely sorry that so many of you feel christians have let you down. Just try to remember we are to glorify God not ourselvles.
quite brilliant, and her Vampire Lestat was one of the most entertaining books ever,
not following the followers would have corrected the atrocities of history,
Christ Buddha and Krishna actually said to not follow them either,
so she has not gone all the way yet, but sure is beautiful,
can imagine going all the way with her, one problem is the cult of celebrity]
which undermines democracy and social justice, so she can join
the peoples revolution to go full circle
Peace
"God is the creator and ruler of the universe. Everybody, whether they love God, resist Him, or ignore Him, will ultimately come face to face with His majesty, and will recognize Him for who He is." he sent his beloved son John 3:16 so that all of us unworthy would have a glimmer of a chance at everlasting life. Act 2:38
Rev 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
Basically all this arguing will one day be settled for us all and we will all give account. Believers, non Believers, Hypocrites, Anne Rice, You , Me...
why do you need to quote a fiction novel...to feel good about yourself.
We Christians believe a Jewish man was sent to the cross by God to save the world. You all believe a democratic socialist was sent to the White House to save the world. I pray you find the truth before it's too late.
Painfully I agree. Why is it that religion must get in the way of Christianity. It is really all about our personal relationship with God, but all too often is made to be about collective compliance with man-made regulations and controls. Don't let them steal your joy.
I hope it all works out for her and finds fulfillment in her faith to her Jesus.
im glad she thinks for herself instead of being brainwashed sheep..
1) Who is Anne Rice? I had to read the article to find out she is an author.
2) Who cares if she was a Christian?
3) Who cares if she isn't anymore? Seriously, WHY is this story still up? Why was it ever up to begin with?
Anne Rice quit "organized (christian) religion," not stopped being a "christian/believer".
She still is the latter, like many of us who abandoned the form long ago, and clung to the indwelling Christ, the Spirit of God, who sheds light daily on the scripture for our continual growth in him.
To those who cynically declare that all christians cannot be right, and hence must all be wrong, I say to you as Jesus said in the long ago: "let both the wheat and the tares grow together, and at the time of harvest the Lord of the harvest (who alone knows who his true plants are) will send his angels to sever the tares from among the wheat."
The "little flock" of saints worldwide who bear witness to the truth of Christ in their hearts need not kill or maim or destroy others to prove that they are the true seed of Christ. Their everyday lives bear witness of the Christ who in-dwells them, and they will shine even more spectacularly when the day comes for their open manifestation to a stunned world.
Who really gives a crap?
Jesus is as real as Dracula. God is even more blood thirsty than Dracula ever thought of being.
Trust the media to sensationalize it by proclaiming she's "quit Christianity". She's still a believer of Christ and a "Christian", if you stick with the traditional definition. Like many of us, she's just sick and tired of the politics, greed, financial-focus, back-stabbing, hypocrisy, etc that are rampant in churches and church groups today. The oft-heard thinking is "As long as humans are involved, greed, lies, hypocrisy etc will be present." That may be true, but we all have to keep trying. Instead of "quitting", perhaps we could make a stand and do something about it.
I believe Anne Rice is rebelling against the Protestant/Roman Catholic culture of the United States – and the various scandals it has produced, along with the doctrines of their respective churches. Having said this, Jesus said it best: "whoever wants to follow Me, let them take up their cross and follow Me" – not "I'm gonna make you follow Me".
Something else Jesus said that was very profound was His statement, "Let your 'yes' be 'yes' and let your 'no' be 'no'." If she follows Christ, maybe Ms. Rice should make up her mind which choice it will be. Personally, I don't believe you can have "selective Christianity", selecting which parts you like and which you don't. You take the whole package or you leave. Many here have chosen to leave. If that's what you want, it's your right. But don't be a "lukewarm Christian". They are a group that we should frown upon much greater than any atheist or agnostic.
As for the people that are for or against Christianity posting here, I'd kindly ask you – as a Christian – to please be respectful in your posts. Christians: We believe we should love our neighbour as ourselves – let's show it. Non-Christians: Bashing us won't make us hate Christ, only love Him more. Yet, I think it's best to tone things down rather than keep this spirit of hate alive on the blog.
God bless.
People like to be led, but inherent to our nature, we miss the mark. Those who rely upon (and form opinion from) people to lead them in spirt will always miss and miss every time. There is only one leader in Christianity and the word is written for us to study and practice. Evenso with that divine guidence, we will still miss many times. Study the word, rely upon its teachings and Gods grace will deliver every time.
Could all the "better than you" Christians here please stop saying AMEN to everything on here? It's very annoying and counter productive. It's exactly that kind of crap as to why a lot of us can't stand you. Mentioning your nonsense religious ramblings at every possible moment, just to inject every conversation with the fact that you are a believer is absurd. We don't need to be reminded at every turn. Some of us who don't believe would like to go an hour without running in to something reminding us of your crazy beliefs. It's bad enough that it's all over the government buildings, our money, and that our politicians practice this ancient garbage, we dont need to be reminded in daily life about it by every person on the street who feels they need to "save" us. And the fact that conversion is even called "being saved" is infuriating ... it's so condescending. As though we "need" to be saved from something because we lack some understanding about something you know. Some of us know very well what we don't want to believe in. So believe what you want, just keep it out of everyones face who don't share your views.
better late than never
Nothing fails like prayer...
Sadly, the Christianity she feels she's leaving is actually false Christianity to begin with, so her confusion from the start is fully warranted.
what does kim kardashian think about all this?
It's funny to me as I sit back and read these various posts by people about whether or not to be a Christian, whether or not there is a God, is Jesus real....the only time it doesn't come into question is when someone is faced with avery real life or death situation, then all of a sudden their crying out to God, asking Jesus to save them and begging for forgiveness!!! I'd rather live as if it is all true and run the risk of leading a life pleasing to God than to live a life free to act as I choose and do as I want (which by the way is the motto of the satanic religion – do as thout wilt), die and find out you were all wrong!! No one is ever perfect and I just pray that all of the non-believers pray and ask God's forgiveness on your last day. Lastly, being a Christian, I don't hate the person I hate the sin, and that applies to even my other "Christian" brothers and sisters
Religion is a sickness of the mind
It twists, distorts reality and will
Divide, sort, break, and label our kind
Delusion that is truly evil, ill.
Religion is a sickness of the world
Opinions, positions, thoughts, beliefs
Can only bring destruction, pain, and war
Can only cause more bloodshed, grief, and tears
Lies that are spread to keep the hate alive
Contagious blindness, masked as real truth
To see, one only has to look with open mind
And open heart, to break from prison of their views
Blind faith, unconsciousness, fanatic make-believe
Like wounded animal, tries to defend itself
Imagined enemies and threats to it’s own myth
Cause pain and suffering in it’s own hell
Infects our minds with thoughts of right and wrong
Pretends to be the truth, to know what it is
Based on reality that’s long been gone
It lies of love, true kindness, bliss, and peace
Pretends, as if it’s possible in words
Express the miracle, that is One Life, itself
The depth of space, the “why?” of countless worlds
Contained in dusty books, decaying on the shelf
Reality itself, Eternal, Infinite, Divine
It’s purpose, plan, and reason “why?”
It’s everywhere and all the time
For “special me”, to grant me “mine”
For us to feel the joy, to simply be
Exists reality beyond religion’s plan
Beyond the Ego’s, “mine”, and “me”
Lies consciousness of Tao and Zen.
I absolutely abhor people who hide behind the cloak of religion to kill and mutilate people, to molest children, to increase their personal wealth. This has gone on for about 2000 years and we have been told never to question it, just to follow. Well, I would say that we have traveled far from the path that Jesus walked. I understand completely what Anne Rice is feeling.
Humans need each other. Humans cannot exist without other people. Jesus did not come to make individual believers doing whatever, but a community of believers working together. Are you trying to be more like God, or are you trying to make God more like you?
If people would just understand, there's a world of difference between faith and religion.
Religion is a group of people who think alike, believe in similar things, and choose to worship together. Religion can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any of a bunch of other beliefs, including cults.
Faith is belief. Raw, unquestioning belief. You don't need to belong to an organized religion in order to have faith (but you hopefully have faith if you're into religion).
Unfortunately, over the years, religions have made some pretty serious actions against mankind. Not just Muslim extremists, either. Religion has caused some well intentioned people, who only thought they were "helping" others, to commit some atrocious acts that they will one day have to answer for (assuming they believe in God).
Faith requires nothing but belief, and doesn't require a fancy church, fancy clothes, or sacrificing yourself with a bomb strapped to your body. Me, I choose my faith over any religion that has now, has ever, or will ever exist.
The endless bickering back and forth solves no problems and provides no answers. Believing is fine, not believing is fine. Ignoring each others needs will condemn you. Loving your fellow man and helping to meet his needs will lift you up. Love is good, greed is bad. Simple isn't it?
Apparently, MIss Rice does not understand that Christianity means rejecting the "present ruler of this world" and struggling with the "principalities and the powers" that assault the normal, everyday believer on a regular basis. She seems to think that simply having "faith" in Jesus is all God wants, but in truth the Lord Jesus established a Church not a do-it-yourself, believe-if you-want-to private religion! This world's mores are always changing, its "truths" are always changing, and it seems that the lies of the world are far more important to affirm and appropriate in her life than living radically for the Kingdom of God. More than that, she also seems to be of the erroneous opinion that God is some over-tolerant, "open-minded" pushover deity. God's love is only as great as our sins are deplorable – thats the point MIss Rice. Study the Scriptures and the 2,000 year history of Church teaching.
A open-hearted and honest study of different religions and faiths should lead you to the Catholic Church. It did in my home. Can you think of a religion that is more persecuted and attacked than the Catholic Church? ...Why?
Seek truth!
"He who does not have the Church as his mother, cannot have God as his father," as one of the early Church fathers wrote.
True Christianity is both radical and conservative.
http://sites.google.com/site/prochristianity
It seems to me that Ann Rice has reached a conclusion about Christ and Christianity that the leaders of the Catholic Church have failed to ascertain for almost 2,000 years.
We are talking about Christianity and therefore things Christian, so for Anne and those who would like to become Christians through being Born Again, the following prayer is offered. It is the key to Salvation when you pass on. Without Jesus now, you will not have His light later on in your new life but instead darkness. The choice is entirely yours. But remember, any person's soul who is not Born Again will not go to Heaven.
Almighty God, I confess that I have sinned and ask for your forgiveness. I repent for my sins that I have committed and ask your forgiveness . I firmly believe that Jesus Christ, your only begotten Son, died on the cross for my sins and resurrected for my Salvation. I desire eternal life through Jesus Christ and accept it in faith. I will follow you, Jesus, for every day of my life and will serve you always. This I pray in the mighty and Divine name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
If you have prayed this prayer with sincerity in your heart you are on your way to having Eternal Life at the time of your passing from this temporary life unto the next which is eternal. May God Bless each and every person who has said this prayer for the salvation of their soul.
Dear Chelsea,
Don't know who or where you got your facts about Paul who was converted from the name "Saul," but you are woefully wrong about this great disciple of Jesus. Read the Scriptures for yourself and you will find out the truth about Paul and his change of heart toward Christians. He used to persecute them before the scales were taken off his eyes and his spirit was opened to God in a complete and non-persecuting way toward others. The Christian church follows Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Paul became a believer but he was not the end-all of Christian belief. He was a man who turned his life around for the good and for that we are grateful. Study all of Paul history and perhaps the full facts will come before you. Peace.
Wow, and no fatwa proclaiming that she must die. I guess "Christianity" is not so intolerant, after all.
Chelsea, it's Ok to have an opinion on things-just don't try and share them as facts. There are, and have been, very intelligent people in this world (C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, Malcolm Muggeridge) who have gone to great lengths trying to prove Christ, the claims of the Bible, etc... as false. But unless they were willing to throw their integrity out the window with all their findings they had to came to this conclusion-"it's true". Just because there are people out there who claim to be followers of Christ doesn't make them one. Jesus Himself said that. What Ann Rice needs to do is just plug into a church that teaches and lives out the teachings of Jesus. This isn't rocket science.
The belief in something that is by definition unprovable is nothing more than an expression of preference. If you prefer to live with the fantasy of an all seeing all knowing all loving god-creature, then go for it. If you prefer to live with the utter certainty of complete lack of divinity, that's your choice too. Both are tantamount to mental masturbation, and are ultimately arbitrary and inconsequential.
What really matters is how we treat each other. Whether you are a sanctimonious Christian or a sanctimonious atheist, you're ll a jerk both ways. Just quit being jerks to each other.
She would be smart to get back to the roots of good worship and praise but in recent years due to our president's birthday and religion in good progress, many churches downtown soon started worshipping and praising Obama and calling him Jesus Christ. In a way, he is the quintessential Christ of the age. He is a good family man and has a good charasmatic intellect that can revolutionize America into a utopia. Technology can be a protege of our good president Obama and America will be like Heaven. Why take a trip to "Heaven" when you can create Heaven here on earth? Doesn't it make more sense to create our new Heaven here on earth instead of playing politics and going by old theology?
Chelsea, you should read Acts.
Allot is known about Christ. You need to read about the 40 days he spent teaching to the disciples after the resurrection.
I really hate the lots of individuals like to generalize on the Internet. Christians, those people, organized religion, etc. etc. It’s a short cut to thinking if you ask me.
Give me a break people; we are all HYPOCRITES – just ask your spouse or parents who knows the game face you put on for everyone else! Anyone with a flippin OPINION is judging others when u disagree and this is OK because we are all HUMAN – not CHRIST. How about a lil HUMILITY from EVERYONE?
“My faith in Christ is central to my life…” ~ Anne Rice
No…being a liberal is central to her life. For Anne, having a relationship with her ‘Jesus’ is only secondary to her. She's smarter than God; (or so she thinks).
Anne, I was in your place some years ago. It is unfortunate that in some circles, Christianity is politicized. We are to feel the same love, compassion and mercy for others that Christ has and emulate him. You can win no one to Christ with bitterness like that you have witnessed. Expect growth in your faith and I hope that a sensitive individual, as yourself, can find a community of believers wiho are working to be more like Christ and more merciful. We need not feel that to love others held in distain because of their practices is wrong. Our Lord hung out with the same kind of people and they need the love and mercy of Christianity the most. These people need tender care and the Word of God. Sometimes we go through a period of questioning and, yes, even rejection. This is called, in spiritual circles, The Dark Night of the Soul. When you come out of this, you will be all the better for it. May God's mercy and compassion be with you at all times.
Anne,
The Body, Blood, Soul and Divity of Christ is the Source and Summit of our Catholic faith. Let nothing and no one keep you from it. To what parish did you belong? What you describe IS NOT PART OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH. None of us are perfect. Forgive and have mercy towards those Catholics who have behaved badly.
Christianity, christiandom, Chris-chanity (as the southern baptists say) is a brand. It's been so processed that it's without taste or substance. The earliest people in the Jesus movement thought they were Jews and had to meet in secret because they were social and political radicals.
So my daughter decided to take up smoking at the ripe old age of 10. Her sister's friends caught her here in our local park with her friends puffing away. I strongly disagreed with her decision and I punished her. I guess by some statndards I am a hateful person to disagree with her decision to smoke.
I am not sure what church you folks have attended but the churches I have attended have said hate sin love the sinner.
So many things we say are opinions of our own – what matters is God's opinion – therefore I agree wthi the person that says to seek out God not man.
I agree with what she is saying! The biggest turn-off to Christianity is other Christians. However, if you understand spiritual warfare, people who try and follow Christ get attacked spiritually the most by the devil and his minios. Therefore, its a catch-22 in that the people supposedly having the most joy, appear the most depressed. That is why it is so important to stay withthe Word everyday, everyday.
Going to church means absolutely nothing!! It is about a love relationship. If you love your spouse, you will spend time, communicate, think of them first, etc. It is about reciprocity, recycling love with a genuine heart to help others and harvest souls for the end times for Christ. Obviously, it is getting near the end on earth as we know it. Things none of us have seen in our lifetime are happening at a more rapid pace.
I can see where Anne is coming from, although I am one who has not given up on my local church. The only thing that matters is following Christ (not his followers) and living as He lived. The only way you can have that kind of life following Christ is to accept that His death and sacrifice is the only way to be saved from the sinful nature we all have.
Anne Rice: "Possibly I still belong to the Body of Christ." http://www.examiner.com/x-26772-San-Francisco-Apologetics-Examiner~y2010m8d1-Anne-Rice–Possibly-I-still-belong-to-the-Body-of-Christ
Good for her. She finally found TRUE Christianity. You are suppose to follow Jesus, not a man, men, church. The "Church" is a meeting place for those who follow Chirst. This gets forgotten and even lost in religion.
Who gives a crap. The fact that she gave this religion a chance shows how high her IQ really is...
How brilliant she is.. bravo!
Shocking, shocking news! But wait there's more:
http://daisybrain.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/woman-not-as-famous-as-anne-rice-changes-her-religious-views/
Rice what do you expect out of any religion. All religions have created separation among human being. Has any God of any religion came down and said no to those who ridiculed or tortured people not believing their religion. Friends, religion is an idea created by human being, inserted as virus in followers head that drives their mentality.
Anne, I understand where you're coming from. I have struggled with the beliefs and exclusions of some Christian denominations as well. It also seems that the only media coverage Christians receive is from the most extreme groups. There is no perfect Christian denomination; however, I have found that most United Methodists follow their mantra, "Open Hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors," especially in more educated, urban areas. Don't give up on all Christian denominations.
Maybe she can do adult films now????? I hope so, she is smoking HOT!!!!
Anne Rice has left the dogma of organized religion that practices under the collective umbrella of "Christianity." She has not, nor will she abandon the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
I'm a Christian and from day one found out that there are a lot of so-called followers who are not what they say. We are required to love our neighbor, God, and ourself in a healthy way. So many Christians today want to put on a outward show and live with inward vices of hate, anger, prejudice, and non-loving thoughts. Jesus never went around spreading this type of message or agenda, but many of his so-called followers do this very thing today.
Wounded Joe, I wish above all things that the quitters and the antis will be given the understanding of what you have written by the Almighty God and that He will forgive them because they do not know what they are doing. They should remember that the Bible as God's word is constant as such what ever their believe it cannot change a dot from it. Come to Christ now before it is too let.
I too at times become discouraged and dismayed by imperfect and outright sinful Christians. But I soon realize that, as Christ pointed our in the Gospels, that his flock would always be living as wheat among the tares, which includes churchgoers- and Muslims, atheists, and the rest. No surprise here- the Pauline chapters have much to say about sin in the early Church, yet encourages Christians to continue to do good, as well as build up the Body.
Yet I am saddened to hear that Anne Rice has decided to become her own Pope. The Gospel is meant to be transforming, not transformed, and the Catholic Church doesn't need any more "Nancy Pelosi Christians." I commend her on at least not pretending to be a Christian anymore.
I was a Jewish kid that went to an all Christian private school for 12 years. As an adult, I am a strong atheist and ashamed to the core of my Jewish heritage because of the teachers and students' daily prejudices. Christians are the WORST human beings ever to walk this earth, and they should be ashamed to call themselves followers of Christ, whom, I believe, intended for humans to be kind, not judge, and respect their fellow man. Christianity is nothing more than a cult of weak minded individuals hiding some evil secret of their heart – and it makes their blood pump cool and divides sensitivity from soul.
Dave,
I am a christian and know I have sin, "for if we say we have no sin the truth is not in us," I John 1:8-9. But if we ask for forgiveness
with a sincere here heart "he is faithful to forgive us and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness."These verses are designed to remind us that we all are lawless humans that need to be constantly humble before god on our knees in all humility. The apostle Paul stated he was the Chiefest of sinners as well. That is no secret to the humble in spirit.
It sounds as though Anne has a sermon or two inside of HER. I am a Christian who is gay and has a Earth and Space Science degree. I live in TN in the buckle of the Bible Belt, but I have been blessed that I found a church that accepts (FOR REAL) everyone. MCC's teach of Christ's love and how we should love one another, not use that love as a weapon to kill, downtrod, or belittle anyone. Christ was not a Christian, so those who say if you are not a Christian then you can not go to Heaven, I simply say that is fine with me because I want to go where Christ is and since he was not a Christian then he must not be there either. Besides, I have seen more non-Christians acting more Christlike than those who weild their Bibles as though they were Uzi's.
Religion is made by "men". Christ is not!
Following Christ is not a popular decision. But it is one of those decisions that you are either all in or all out. There is no in between. Jesus said you either love me or hate me. You either deny yourself or your deny Christ. You are either on "team Jesus"or "team Satan". The fact is that God hates sin. God so loved the world that gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, as the wages of their sin deserved, but have everlasting life. All sin is wrong and deserving of hell. But I am grateful that the payment has already been received and all I have to do is accept it. And I choose to live as such and tell anyone who God brings in my path about it. The gospel is not to guilt or shackle down but to liberate! Christians don't hate people but they love God and God's precepts more, and live by them. Anything that is against God is against us as well. God hates sin but loves the sinner, and we as Christians are to imitate that. When Christ is the center of your life you don't live off of your emotions, political correctness, or what the world says is acceptable. When Christ is the center of your life, you make the hard decisions in accordance with the scriptures and what they teach. No, I am not perfect, nor is any other believer but we are cleansed by the blood. That doesn’t excuse our sin but it washes it away. Through Christ we are made holy. Till our last breath, God will be purifying us to be more like Him. Our desire for ourselves and others is to please the Father! We are to love our neighbors by desiring the things of God and pointing towards Jesus. We don't just place bandaids on the wounds of those we love and say it's going to be alright, No we clean it up, check for severity, and then administer the proper aid or go to the hospital where they can take care of it, so that it heals well. Again I know this isn’t popular, but glorifying my Lord and Savior is a whole lot more important to me then anything else. It’s hard, but it is the life that was chosen for me, by God Himself! (And I will admit that many of us, Christians, are a little screwy in the ways we execute our beliefs and I would even go as far to say that we sin in the process, but we are still human. And it is a struggle for us, as well. We don’t always do or say the right thing. But it doesn’t make the message any less true. I know that Jesus will prevail despite us Christians… Despite you or Me!) Jesus loves you and dies on the cross for your sins. He was burried and rose again. He is God. And one day will return as the judge! Call on Him and repent! God Bless!
@mmorris ure so rite, how qiuk we are in 4getin christ. ps the bible says we shuld accept the word of God 4 what it really is, the word of God .and not some mere human thinkin
Luxury condo? Retribution for sinners? Sounds like the Biblical definition of Heaven (mansions and no sinners). But, you stated that if things were that way then you would be a non-thinking goldfish. So therefore, you're devoting your life to hopefully becoming a non-thinking goldfish for eternity!! The only difference is it's a non-escapable goldfish bowl in which you spend eternity praising the finally visible supreme goldfish.
You've just stated existence would be boring and meaningless without reason and thought – just imagine eternity with nothing to think about.
Think about it.
Why announce this? Good for her for finally realizing what the enlightened know – that religion is simply a means of controlling the flock.
Anne, continue to Love Jesus and Accept Him as your Lord and Savior! That is the Only way for Salvation. You don't have to leave Christianity, only the narrow-minded people who purport to be Christians if they offend you. There are many other Christians who still live the good Christian life and teach others by example what Christianity is all about. So, I am for Staying a Christian but you can also teach those who are not living the Christian life, by example, if they are so inclined to learn. That would also exemplify your Christian nature.
To those who say Anne Rice should stay in a church to be with believers even though she realizes that there is no perfection in a church, it's too difficult and against one's spirit if you attend a church where so many of the beliefs (translate rules and regulations) you can't stomach anymore. If I remember correctly, she became a Catholic, and there's no way to stay comfortably in that church and socialize with the other members if you don't believe half of what they're saying. And that goes for any church really. I converted to Catholicism many years ago, and I no longer can tolerate the rigidity of that religion. I understand what it is to love Christ and have a relationship with Jesus without being within the tight structure of an organized religion.
She obviously belonged to a church that carried the principles of Christianity into a lack of love. She got into the wrong church. They're not all politically driven.
this is a funny discussion to me... Modern Christianity is really just "Paulism"... hehe
For far too long, religion – like politics, ethics, etc. – has been defined by voices shouting out from the extremes. How refreshing for someone of Anne's stature to speak out so succinctly and boldly and say what so many of us should be voicing were we not so busy acting like sheeple to impress the neighbors and squeeze God's pitchman at the local megachurch in with our countless other family and personal commitments. A welcomed blitz of books from everyday Joe's is fast emerging to encourage us all to reclaim the broad middle ground of religion – the millions of shades of color that exist between black and white. "IF GOD STOPS WORKING: Rethinking Religion to Find a Faith That's Real" (ifgodstopsworking-dot-com) is my own humble attempt – and is quickly gaining a following. Not a pitch, just a call for others to rise up and let our collective voices be heard. Welcome to the fast-growing ranks of "unchurched" believers, Anne.
alhamdulillah... you're one step closer to being a muslim. study further and soon you'll find your way to islam!
I left christianity at the age of 18. I realized at a young age that organized religon seemed to be the 'ultimate con' as I would see the pastor pull into the parking lot in his mercedes, his daughter carring a designer handbag that my mother would never be able to afford, and then latter watch the plate be passed around while everone listened to a sermon about very narrow mined beliefs. My children are not allowed to go to church untill they turn 18 if they wish, as we follow our own beliefs from home without giving anyone money.
Pfffffft.
Most Christians do not understand Christianity.
Anne Rice has never impressed me that she understood it either.
What testimony has Anne Rice ever had?
Where has Ms. Rice ever taken a public stand on Christian matters?
Ms. Rice's so called departure from organized Christianity is...remarkably meaningless.
I don't think that the Reverend Martin Luther King would have agreed that Christianity is bigoted and "anti-Democrat".
Hi I think everybody got ms. Anne wrong including me. She did not leave the Church. She left the hypocrisy of the church. To the best of my knowledge Catholicism considers every human being one of God;s children and there for part of the Church. You may not be a card carrying member or a Catholic in good standing what church types would call practicing. I don't know of a way to leave the human race. Do you? All I think miss Anne is asking is why are so many crappy things such as intolerance and suppression part of the Church? Is it social control like governments do. Is it suppression of theology or people? Is it a nanny state philosophy like our current us government? I think like Ms. Anne we are all looking for answers on why the world is as messed up as it is. http://evolvednotcloned.blogspot.com/
Many people quit organised religions because they have bad experiences. Look at the internet. You only have to look on the boards to see the hostility of some. Nevertheless there are genuine reasons for avoiding religious groups of any kind, you have countless experiences with people making nasty comments that upsets you and distracts you from your real goal of seeking the divine. They exploit you and take your money when you have bills to pay and get you to volunteer when you are more poor than anyone else. Is atrocious behavior. In reality people are simply busy with their families or fully loaded with responsibilities that makes them snappish. How can you fail to notice the 'Marthas' of the world anxiously running around after one problem after the next? World expects you to be occupied and busy, not seeking peace. I resent the time I lost in religious groups. Costed me. If you're sensible then you should rightly keep your faith as a personal pursuit and if society allows, if economic conditions allow, if they can be reasonable, then you earn a living. How you can do that in the face of certain absurd government policies, such as high debt, is not really very clear but then you muddle through somehow. World has changed from when the older generation was starting out and it's a lot more difficult now for the youth to build the life they want.
Jesus (peace be upon him)' words: "Elohi, elohi, lama sabachtani?" "My God, My God, Why have YOU forsaken ME?" Question number one: If I'm God, then why should I address myself in second person? "David, David, why have you forsaken me?" But Jesus didn't even call his own name. He said "My God". Then we can clearly know it all. I do believe in God Almighty, as Jesus his messenger did. But I do not believe Jesus was God. I believe in the true God, the one to whom Jesus addressed his prayers. May the peace of the Lord be upon you all.
So Anne has finished with Christianity. But not with Christ. Has she discovered the grace of God.? The overwhelming sense of God's unconditional love? Often you will not find this in the church! It was the religious authorities in Jerusalem who saw Jesus as a threat to their position in society. He said that no-one can come to the Father except through him. The Church then adds on extra "hoops" for us to get through in order to be "accepted". Then if we don't go to church, we are accused of backsliding. Can I recommnd a book called: So You Dont Want To Go Church Anymore. You can find it on the internet – http://www.amazon.com / amazon.co.uk.
I applaud Anne Rice's decision to step out of the "box" that the Christian hardline has put us in to. i've questioned that mindset since i was 18, and i'm considerably older now, but kept my thoughts to myself, and just watched the drama. In following and studying the political/historical/archaeological information published inthe past 40 years regarding the pre-christian/Christian era, it would seem to me that all the answers havent been disclosed by those in power thru the ages and that there is "the rest of the story" somewhere for us to discover. I have no doubt there is a creator, and that jesus existed, and that he was who he was and has had a great impact on our life values, but, here is a thought.....What would it be like today, if John the Baptist's were more successful in their campaign than Jesus' followers? Spare me the answers, it's a rhetorical question.
Jesus was a Jew and his followers were Jewish. Jesus never preached "Christianity". Christianity originated with the Gospels and the (extremely Judeophobic) Roman papal construct of Catholic Church. I would speculate that had the historic Jesus been around, he would have nothing to do with the organized Christianity. By leaving the church while insisting on following Jesus, does Anne Rice imply she is converting to Judaism?
Personally, I think she is a very confused person, just beginning to wade out of her self-inflicted pseudo-spiritual morass. And a highly overblown, but very mediocre author.
I left the Church of Scotland many years ago. Not because I did not believe but because of narrow minded church members who could not see any other way to the top of the mountain but their way no ifs or buts.
THIS IS WHY THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS CRITICAL. Jesus told that perfectly looking on the outside young rich ruler "sell everything then follow me"
Dude was holding on to stuff in his life, living for things in this world which 1 John 2:15 says "do not love the world or anything in it"
The other guy that walked away said "first let me bury my dad" his dad wasn't dead yet – he was saying wait til I get my inheritance then I'll follow you! No, wrong answer.
If Anne Rice loves gays and feminists then she wold be truthful and honest with them like Jesus would.
For those people that look at carnal Christians (people that say they are Christian like a label but do not live a life of it) ya look at those people and say Christianity is not for you – NO, don't do that.
MY FRIENDS JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES WARNED TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME FALSE TEACHERS, FALSE CHRISTS would come and are all ready in the world and even today of course we SEE THEM EVERYWHERE.
Stop blaming false teachers and carnal Christians for why you want to live your own carnal life running from God!
Love the sinner...hate the sin!
Thanks for being so negative Anne, good job. Why don't you come out of the closet now, please.
As a father there were things my kids wanted to do that I didn't let them do because I was mature and knew that there was danger. Like wise we have a heavenly Father that loves us and wants the best for us. An engineer has designed a process and he knows what works and what doesn't, if you were to do this process but were doing it the wrong way a way that could cause a chemical reaction. Would it be mean to warn of the dangerous outcome.
Opinions are like navels, everyone has one. So if we would like to navigate this life we have an owners manual it's called the Bible. If we after learning what is the right way and the wrong way continue to go the way that is contrary to the Bible how can you say that these people are mean spirited or evil.
We choose to go the wrong way because we don't know the Father and the Love of God is not in us.
We now live in a world where every religon is tainted. The only truth we have left is within
Right on Anne Rice!!! I love her for who she is and not for how everyone would want her to be....I feel the same way she does about God......most christians seem so judgemental, yet they wish they could "sin" like others do...that is why they are so miserable..they are trying to live up to an expectation they think God has for them....no one knows....!! Who knows what God really wants...if the Bible is true or not....!
Ah the core is indeed that this Jesus guy and the basic teachings are not bad. Hey I am not a christian but I could like that Jesus guy.
The problem is the asshats who have their churches. Who rules by fear who wear the mask of the lie! I can understand why some people are christian yes. And you know I am sure many of them just try to be decent people. It is to bad the church is such a negative influence.
Christ would stand with those who go against the churches of today. That is so obvious...As they say "You are not Jesus" ...
Wow - Wow!!!
What an amazing outpouring of responses this short story drew!
What I undersrtand of this is that Anne Rice told a story that for her is personally meaningful and true.
And I understand that each person who responded to her story, did so in terms of their valuing of a story thart they find meaningful and true.
So - what IS meaningful and true in this life?
It seems to me that whjatever story we conceive to be meaninfgul and true - is in fact so - for us.
For anybody else - that depends on their own chosen story.
Merry Christmas!
Al
I have to confess that i sometimes get bored to learn the entire thing however i believe you possibly can add some value. Bravo !
Valerie...you made some valid points...or did you?
Perhaps with a bit of actual thtought....god forbid...you might find some poignanacy in what she is saying/ Or is thought a mortal sin too?
Self centered? If you'd put some actual THOUGHT into her statement it's the exact OPPOSITE of self-centered.
Valerie, I take it this is your "Christian" reaction to the story? Meaning that you read it, you didn't think deeply about it, you felt threatened and so you had to react in some vapid, shallow manner. This tells me more about YOU than it does about Anne.
May all you Christians who find this story disturbing examine your OWN motives and reasons for being upset - perhaps you might learn something about yourselves.
How is she self-centered???? She chooses not to follow a religion. I did the same thing. Religion is BS created by man not GOD or JESUS to manipulate and control people. Your free will is not yours but there;s and if you do not believe what they believe then you go to hell...WHATEVER!!!!!!
No need to mount any argument here; Valerie's post speaks quite appropriately of her level of spiritual attainment...
@Valerie dejah_thoris hit the nail on the head!! Couldn't have said it better myself.
@Keith Leave it to the morons to bring Obama into a conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with him.....typical idiot.
To Keith: The "left" is not arrogant. We can have a conversation and discuss any topic and in the end respect other people's beliefs even when we don't agree with them. But how do you start a conversation with someone (right-winger, self-professed Christian) when their opening statement is: "No matter what you say, you are wrong and I am right because I have Jesus on my side?" Who is the real arrogant?
and you are a very bright, thoughtful, giving, caring, decent, tolerant, wise person!!!
Of course it is self centered, it is HER faith. Everyone should be thinking of their own faith and not just blindly following what others tell them to think.
@ linoNJ I am glad you speak for the entire left although you had better get some of your followers in line because I have had many a conversation with a liberals that was illogical and emotionally based. Also, please forgive my ignorance but could you please show me a Christian who uses that line having grown up in the church I know quite a few Christians and have never heard that line before
@ dejah_thoris, cambridge, ma
Being a Christian I did stop and think about my reaction to this story and why. Truly it comes from being upset about a misrepresentation of Christianity. The most upsetting is the use of "anti-science". Seeing as nither she, nor any of you have actually given any example of how Christianity is anti-science, it’s frustrating that you make un-substantiated claims. The very thing you accuse Christians of doing, we don’t like hypocrisy any more than you do.
when ppl become Christians they are happy, loving, full of joy.... then they go to church...
Valerie, can you clarify how her statement is self-centered? She is proclaiming that she believes in Christ and He is important to her. She just chooses not to associate with all of His followers. Do you need to be worshiped, too? Does it offend you that you don't have another blind idiot to stand beside? It's OK for people to think for themselves, perhaps you should try it sometime.
I believe Anne is totally right!! You do not have to have a common religion to believe. Church is not a building that we all go to pray. Church is inside of us, anywhere and any when that you believe, is church. Please remember we are all one people, we are all human. Religions only separate us all. Lets just have a united planet, where everyone has the same rights.
I respect your opinion Valerie, but I have to agree with Anne on this one. We Americans worship the religion, not the Lord. We pay more attention to what the church, the preacher, and the Bible says than we do our own hearts. Demanding to be "worshiped" IS self-centered. I believe God is much more loving, understanding, and forgiving than that. I used to be a "Christian" too, I know exactly what Anne is talking about.
@ Rachel: You want an example? Stem-Cell Research. Which could hold the cure for a wide array of diseases and syndromes.
Says a lot about you. To laugh at someone's conceitious thoughts & beliefs. I completely understand how & why she has come to this point. I am sure Christ is often sickened by what is done & said in his "religion". I don't know he asked for his own religion, but a way a life. A way of life that wouldn't laugh at this woman and what she knows to be true in HER HEART. Get one, you never know, you might widened your narrow perspective!!!
Amen Anne Rice....Jesus is not a Capitalist Republican....American Christianity sucks.... I would never be a Christian if the American version of Republican Christianity was anything close to the message...the message of Republican Christianity is that Jesus is a selfish, self centered A hole. The only one in the public eye that I would follow as he practices Christianity, is Jimmy Carter...he actually helps people....isn't that what Christians are supposed to do....I think Republican Christianity has turned helping people into judging people.
Dear Valerie,
You may go down in history as the most-flamed moron ever to post a comment on CNN.com. I am just wondering, tho, if you are actually able to read the comments, as surely you did not read the article before you posted.
Sincerely,
Also Not A Christian, For The Same Reasons!
I agree, this woman is beyond self centered and deceived. She rather obey the law of the land, but not obey what the Word of God says. If she understand what Christianity and Christ mean, you can't have one without the other.. It was a good laugh.
I'm a born again christian and have been for most of my life. What makes me mad about fellow christians is that our actions in life do not represent a changed life in christ. Many of us act just like the world and we hide behind a bunch of 'Thou shalt nots" instead of portraying a life of grace and love towards others. Because many christians are doing this we are turning people off to church, christianity and ultimately christ. I'm willing to bet, based on Anne Rice's statement that this is what has happened in her life. She is tired of the hypocritical christian! I don't blame her.
It's important for non-believers to understand that Christians are still sinners (not perfect). The only difference we have in our life compared to the rest of the world is a loving God saving our soul. We don't deserve to be saved but God does because he loves us. According to my bible, sin separates me from God and heaven. Jesus died on the cross at the hands of the Romans and Jews as a payment for my sin because he love me. I have placed my faith in Jesus, (not christianity), and this is why I'm going to heaven when I die.
Anne,
A Christian is a follower of Christ, but since God has made us socialable human beings, we need each other.
Christians are not perfect just forgiven. And lastly, if God wanted you to go it alone and be by yourself, he would have only made you, but since that is not the case, look to Jesus as your example since he is perfect, forgive those who are bad examples, spend time with strong and positive Christians so you will become strong and positive, and lastly, and lastly if by chance you are strong in the Lord, you will not grow weak when you are with those who are weak themselves. Never let go of Jesus, and never stop seeing the good in people in an imperfect world.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought that Valerie's response to the article was not only small-minded but also dripping with ignorance. In a world where Christian fanaticism hinders the advancement of society, it comes as no suprise that a christian would respond to such a progressive and refreshing reaction to the probelm with christianity with such disdain.
Goodness, talking about beating a dead horse – move on people to something else – you beat up on Valerie enough I'd say.
Christianity is not about hate. If there are so-called Christians who hate gays, democrats, or any other group, then, -God so judge my words- They are NOT living the Christian life! Romans 12:14; 17-21 states: Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with ALL men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. Therefore: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in doing so you will heap coals of fire on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
God wants all Christians to love everyone- every friend, every kin, every enemy. That does mean that God wants Christians to be pacifists- for example, I dare say, I love Muslims, but that wouldn't stop me from shooting and killing one to stop him from killing an innocent. In the Civil War, biological brothers were on opposite sides of the battlefield, brothers who loved one another, but that didn't stop them from firing at one another.
But what it seems Miss Rice is speaking of here is about solid hatred, hatred, which God has made clear, He does not want for his children. If any brother or sister of mine reads this whom doubts their faith for the same reason, don't! Find a different church to go to, find another Christian who's living the Christian life how he or she should, and most of all pray to God and read the Bible! Don't give up on Him or your faith! There are others out there trying to live how God wants, there are others like you, and even if you can't find them, you will always have God. You will always have God. Amen.
2:12 AM August 1, 2010 EST. This story has reached it's maximum shelf life. By the powers that govern newscycles, I now pronounced this story old.
Its sad that so many do not have the vision and understanding to see the truth, honesty, and frustration in what Rice is saying. I too am becoming increasingly frustrated by the day in the church and its right wing infiltration that pervades many Christian churches and denominations today. Christianity from a biblical standpoint has so little in common with todays Republican views that I'm almost in awe and disgust that I'm really seeing what I'm seeing. Republican leadership today fights for everything Christ would be opposed to and opposes everything Christ would support. There's nothing right about the "Christian right." I am of strong Christian faith and always will be. The churches should follow Christ's lead when he said, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, give to God what is God's." Preachers have no place in politics and they should not be going along with the hate and fear tactics or the right wing. It's their place to preach the Word and be an example and witness, not a spreader of propaganda. I didn't think that preachers typically double majored in political science as well as theology. Preacher's aren't qualified to be teaching politics. Furthermore, God gave people a mind, intellect, and free will to be able to reason some things for themselves. If its good enough for God and the founding fathers of this country to support separation of church and state, than it should be good enough for us. We need to start auditing our churches and preachers income and contribution receipts and see how much is coming from conservative activists and corporations, especially the famous TV evangelists. I think if Jesus were walking among us today, you'd much more likely find him the poor, downtrodden, or compassionate, or with someone like Anne Rice than you would a bunch of hate mongering, judgemental, greed mongering, right wingnut self professed Christians. What happened to judge ye not lest ye be judged?" What happened to "he who hath not sinned, cast the first stone? How about "its harder for a rich man to get to Heaven than to get a camel through the eye of a needle. Republicans preach that one every day don't they?...not!. Brings to mind the verse where the man is before God saying all the great things he's done in God's name and God relied "I never knew you." I think there might be a few politicians and preachers end up in that position someday....dunno. Its clear that many so called Christians are so misguided and mis-lead. Actions speak louder than words. What party does absolutely nothing for the average citizen and the poor? Boy that's an easy one. I always thought Jesus was quite fond of the poor and suffering. I think that if he were to take a walk into Congress, He'd tear threw it like He did the temple with its corruption and disrespect for God....much like our congress has little respect for God and We the People. BTW, How could anyone even begin to believe Glen "little hitler" Beck and Rush "little mussolini" Limbaugh about anything? Great comments Anne Rice!!!
@ Cam
Excellent question. What many people who get their science from the 11 o’clock news, and I don’t mean that in a demeaning way, do not understand is that Stem cell research has been around for a while. Intelligent people have been working on this “wonder cure” for decades and have found zero break actual cures. They just have hopes about possibilities of what stem cells may accomplish. In the decades of research, nothing, yet you cling to this hope despite any real evidence. Its frustrating to hear everyone talk about this “promising” it promises nothing you just want it to work, lets instead look at the research that has been done. Also I think this is the most mis-understood truth about stem cell research is that there is a HUGE difference between embryonic stem cell research, and Adult stem cell research. Adult stem cell research on the other hand has had hundreds of break throughs, they are being used in hundreds of clinical trials. Please, Please before you go accusing Christians of being against science, look it up for yourself. Christians LOVE ADULT stem cell research that HAS shown evidence of curing or treating many devastating disorders. While I value science and being a nurse I live by the phrase “evidence based”, I also value people treating them careing for them comforting them. BUT I care for ALL people, and I will not sacrifice one person for another. So if they do infact find some great use for embryonic stem cell search, I cannot sanctify the butchering of one person to cure another.
You are nuts did you even read what she said?"For those who care,and I understand if you dont" That for pea brains like yourself means if you are interested in why she has made her choice not to follow church but to follow Jesus I for one agree with her I was waiting for her to realize that many church denominations are not interested in spreading love and peace but how much control they can have over you.
@ The Man: You show me in the Bible where it says, "Thou shalt vote only Republican, become as narrow minded as possible, and condemn everything that differs from your view." Find that and I will become a Sheeple in your flock.
American evangelical "Christianity" is a plague upon the world. It is suburban tribal paganism nonsense of "my god beats up your god" and a sacrilegious and hypocritical vehicle for the greed and vulgarity of corporate American and the republican party. Thanks to it, the United States is going from becoming the principal protector of world civilization to one its largest threats.
I so understand what you are feeling. I have been struggling with the church for the last 10 years. every position they take I have had a moral issue with it. two years ago i finally stopped going to church. i could not, not participate in that way of thinking any more. I have been church-less for two years. I am truly sorry but i feel i do not belong, that they are not a community of my pears. i don not understand how they see life as such a war, fighting with everyone. Please write more about it. please let us know (the disenchanted) were do we go from here. Thank you for voicing these feeling. I have felt alone and ashamed for a long time. thank you, thank you.
Dear Anne,
You ARE Christianity. If you love Jesus this is an inescapable fact. Any attempt to abandon or separate yourself from who you are in the body of Christ will lead you down a path incongruous to the life God hopes you would live for Him. Christianity is a big tent that welcomes every kind of fallen human being and sinner, especially the types you find objectionable who misinterpret and misrepresent the true message of salvation through Christ. The solution is not to leave the covering of the tent, it is to extend its flanks to welcome people who would transform the church from the inside out just as we have been transformed. We are being called to save something precious, not bolt from something that in many aspects has lost its way.
Christianity is ultimately not about us. It's about Christ living in us and through us so that we can change the world by helping others to love Jesus just as we do. And this is something we just can't do alone.
I see Anne's point. I appreciate the way she explained it. Stan and Rachel, I read your posts. Well said. For those who name called and belittled; whether or not I agree with your core opinions I'll never know. I skipped the rest ofyour posts because it was an intellectual turnoff at that point. And for the record, I happen to be actively seeking good solid arguments on all sides at this time in my life.
Nathan–why didn't you read the article before penning a full paragraph about it?
Nathan, do you really think that we'd be rampant anarchists murdering people and molesting animals if we didn't have Christianity? Please tell me you're not that naive. Morality is a reflection of the needs and wants of a society, not religion – much less one religion in the myriad of options available. BTW, can you point to the part of the Bible where Christ told someone to burn in hell, much less so gleefully as you just did? Oh,right, you can't be Christ, you only try to emulate him, and as an imperfect being, you'll make "mistakes". Oops!
Aside from your willfully ignorant perspective (again–it's clear you didn't read the article), I'll go ahead and be the first to point out the obvious: your hateful, venomous aggression is precisely the sort of nonsense which gives the Church–not God–a bad name. If fewer self-described Christians like yourself behaved in the way you do, Jesus would have more followers. It's quite obvious.
Wow, you make her point perfectly! What a jack***!
I always wonder about posts like yours. You can't be serious, right? This is satire, it has to be. Yeah...I choose to believe it is satire. Otherwise, I worry about your neighbors if you don't get your medication. Like, soon.
Nathan...Imagine Jesus telling the demon possessed people he met in the bible the things you just said...Nothing that has come out of your mouth is Christ like and that's the reason why people like you turn a lot of people not towards Christ, but away from him.....With your hateful rants, I could never imagine you as being a soul winner for Christ...Sounds like you need to get on your knees and repent and ask God to change you unforgiving hateful heart...
Wow! Now take a deep breath sit down and relax you are getting way too excited. I think I see a little hate creeping out, maybe not.
Oh wow. This makes me so sad for you. I cannot imagine living my life with such a constant high level of fear and hate.
That was beautiful. I am full weepy and have volumous tears streaking from my eyes that such a flagrant flame of the entire discussion would be taken so seriously by half a handful of "haven't a clue"s. Continue your firey path to the viceroy and may the christ lay low all communist atheists in your path.
Mike, Dave, Rich, et al. Methinks you have been playfully baited – or bitten – by the Vampire Von Count. Stereotypes can be strengthened by illusions. Beware of the pervasiveness and subtlety of manufactured consent. Some evidence is no evidence.
I agree with her, Christ did not die so that I could have "A Religion", he died so I could have "Life Everlasting", that is what I live for and strive for. God Bless you all, especially his followers.
Me too. And if the various churches don't start listening to what she is saying–and other people like her–there really is going to be an exodus (pardon the pun) from the church. It's getting so Christianity's only vocal backers are those who don't appear to follow Christ's tenets of tolerance and generosity at all.
She just went back to the Garden of Eden and stripped herself
of all false pretenses which church thrust upon its blind followers!
May she be enlightened sooner than later!
If you let yourself be over come by church doctrines and and biblical doctrines, I am sure that you will come to the same conclusion as Anne Rice. Thank you Anne.
My thoughts on religion is to find the one who helps, understands, forgive, love and makes one happy to be a honest person with no harm to others. It does not make any difference what you call it. If you belive God made all the creatures io this earth I guess you have to understand why he made some of them different. If you have boundaries on your beliefs then you do not allow to see the creating beauty of God.
If you allow yourself be over come by church doctrines and not biblical doctrines, I am sure that you will come to the same conclusion as Anne Rice. Thank you Anne.
Dear Anne,
I support your decision. I have found that the ways of how things were to be taught have gone astray from the original teachings. I have found a new church that has no place to hide. It is everyday that I am in a greater church and I see the most amazing things and beauty that surround me. I wish everyone could just take one moment to stop and look at the beauty of the world. Maybe they will and maybe they won't....At least I have seen many wonderful and beautiful things in Life..... Hugs, Lil
I agree – she is quitting Christianity. Jesus never founded anything called "Christianity". He never created this whole culture that has added all this bigoted, anti-science, politically hackery around a lifestyle that's supposed to be about following Him and loving others.
I pray she is able to find a community like-minded people following Christ to strengthen her and help her in her journey.
She's got that right.
Thank goodness. Does that mean she'll be a God-loving vampire writer again?
I will stand by you Rice because I grew up in the bible belt in northern LA. I am currently on the west coast living my life for Christ. I feel those who label themselves as Christains don't live right in the world.
I love this. After reading Out of Egypt, her love of Christ is palpable. But her dislike of what Christianity has become is understandable.
Bravo!
Please don't confuse flag-wavin', hate-filled, gun-totin', self-righteous "Christianity" for the real thing! Christ taught us love, charity, peace, tolerance and forgiveness.
For the same reason I quit catholicism. I still believe in Christ and I try to follow his teachings as best as a human can. When church becomes a business or a political lobby it has stepped away from its role.
Also, now there is a "Christian Minister" gong to burn the Koran? Whaaaaa?
I applaud you Anne Rice. I am a big fan of yours and like you I will not be anti- anything. I believe in God and Jesus and everything about them. I do not believe that some of their followers really know what it is like to love thy neighbor. I have not gone to church in years because of the negative aspects of the church, some of their leaders and the fanatics. God is a loving and caring God, those preaching hate or be anti something are not true followers or leaders of the faith
It is not the Religion, but how it has been taught. For new lessons visit apageinthelife dot blogspot dot com, I particularly like the one abou the Cave Dwellers
Society is evolving...it is disolving...
Hey OLY, Jesus wasn't a Christian, he was JEW. He had no interest in setting up a separate religon from Judism.
Might want to try reading that bible sometime bub.
Which church was this anyway? And out of curiosity, I wonder what denomination? Also, recommend reading the book, Prodigal God by Tim Keller. I think he talks about what Anne is experiencing.
It's a shame that so many people confuse fundamentalist Christian doctrine and practices with the actual teachings of the Master. The deeper meaning and Truths of Christ's life and teachings are recorded for posterity - and even a relatively casual reading of the Gospels clearly indicates that Jesus was by no means "anti-science" or "anti-gay" - he was all about the Truth, forgiveness, love of God and ALL neighbors (including our enemies who purposely intend to hurt us - EVERYONE without exception. The dualists who are filled with hate and judgement are not true followers of Christ - they don't even practice Jesus' two greatest commandments!
I am absolutely fine if Anne Rice wants to quit Christian church, but she is being short sighted to say the Christian church is anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.” I have been a life long Episcopalian and the several churches I have belonged to have been nothing like that. Our church was one of the first to ordain a woman priest. I went to an ordination just last night and of the 4 that were being ordained 3 were women. We welcome ALL people, including gays, people of any color race or creed and ALL are welcome to take communion even if you are not a member. Plenty of Democrats, as well. Never heard of being anti-science either. It seems she fell into the wrong Christian church for her and that is a shame.
As a character in "Hannah and Her Sisters" said, if Jesus came back today and saw what was going on in his name, he would never stop throwing up.
If you follow Christ, you'll always be a christian, but being a christian has nothing to do with following a certain denomination of christianity. I agree with Ms. Rice, as obviously many others do. Christ never taught hatred, and unfortunately, a lot of christian denominations do exactly that. He taught love, but many of His followers seem to have forgotten that, instead they get immersed in manmade doctrine that doesn't come from God.
she didn't denie Christ she just quit dealing with religous nuts. If she had denied Christ that would have been a whole nother situation.
It's all about unproven stories anyway....
Religious folk mean well, but the whole repression thing is a turn off.
My priest actually said in a sermon once "God will love you, so long as you obey him".
That was the breaking point for me.
Jesus of Nazareth didn't invent Christianity. I could not agree more with the premise: follow Christ, quit following the idiots exploiting him (going on 2000+ years now and still going strong) for their gain. Your church is a lie, if you can not understand this, go back and read your Bible again (for the vast majority, I believe it would be the first time). You are a worshiper of John or Paul at best. Yah, JC said to spread his message...when exactly did the cathedrals or mega churches get involved?
Does not matter.. correct? Religion is only a tool to keep a person in a right path..and it is very personal choice to practice or not.. not really a big new..
She should have just started attending a progressive Christian church. No, she has to be a drama queen and label the the entre religion as unenlightened. She's a flake and she is probably just sore that all her Christian books did not sell like her Vampre books did.
As a Christian, I totally agreewith Ms. Rice but if she works at it it is possible to find a rare Christian church in the U.S. that has not been seized by right wing fanatical thinking. True Christians are not a bunch of Glen Beck idiots.
What she is quitting is a group of hypocrites and judgemental loudmouths who practice evil in the name of Christianity. I agree that they are a scourge, and I, also, refuse to associate myself with a group who dares to self-identify with "Christianity" who are clueless about what Christ actually taught. The Bible, incidentally, isn't "Christian." Parts of the New Testament may be. The Gospels are probably. But otherwise, those who profess to be Christian and quote anything other than the direct teachings of Christ, as recounted by the apostles, should self-identify with the group they TRULY represent – like Southern Baptist, Church ofg Christ, and Church of What Jim-Bob Says the Bible Really Means for Those Who Cain't Think For Their Own Selves, for example...
justme don you think what you wrote below is a bit self inlfamatory? To think that somebody so powerful died for you? So that you could have everlasting life? Don't religious people see how self involved religion is?
"I agree with her, Christ did not die so that I could have "A Religion", he died so I could have "Life Everlasting", that is what I live for and strive for. God Bless you all, especially his followers."
If that's her complaint about "Christianity" – I think she'd have to quit "Humanity" as well. Those are descriptors all people could level against all other groups. It's a shame we can't forgive each other for our faults and live without pointing the finger... "Christianity", "Humanity" and "Ann Rice" included.
I think I know what she is saying. It sounds like she has a relationship with Christ which is central to who she is. She is quitting the church. I don't blame her. I am a follower of Christ and have been my whole life but when people ask me if I am a Christian I don't say "Yes." Instead, I say, "what do you mean by Christian?" For too long, so-called Christians have muddied the name of Christ and what it TRULY means to be a follower of Christ and a true Christian. She sounds like one of those true Christians who is trying to redefine. Religion is man-made. A relationship with Christ is created and sustained by Christ.
I understand completely. I believe in the idea of Christ but what I cannot fathom is how many horrid human beings say they are Christians. Thankfully, in this country, we still have the ability to conduct ourselves in a manor we believe to be true and not be forced to attend church or a mega church with a sheeply audience buying everything sold to them like Madison Ave.
Amen sister! I am also a believer in God and cannot accept the oppression of women and men, the flagrant misinterpretation of scripture and the shame that the church perpetrates in the name of God. Christ came to give freedom, not bondage and shame. His most faithful followers were women, he was an advocate for womens rights, and he was pro love and equality for all human beings (not just white males), these are all things that the church fails to acknowledge today.
-Recovering Baptist
and take your insipid followers w/ you
Glad she got a clue. It was a sad day for me when such a great writer and a smart women jointed the land of the crazies. Maybe she can write some good books again.
I think she is a very very confused woman... To be a christian simply means to be "Christ like" or a "follower of Christ". The statement that she made of quitting christianity is woefully immature. I certainly hope that she keeps her "belief" in Christ and follows him in all that she does but, I hope she comes to the realization that to follow Christ is to be a "christian". I do not agree with / believe in organized religion per se, but I do believe in and follow Christ to the best of my humble ability. I hope she comes the this reality and retracts and / or updates her statements...
I totally agree with Anne Rice on this issue. The only thing I fear is the response to this article by our anti-faith society. Many will read this and say, "Finally someone puts those stupid Christians in their place! Belief in God is pure ignorance! Hooray!" I agree with the deconstruction of the current 'Christian church', but please please please do not throw belief and faith in Jesus into the same bucket as 'Religion'. That is all.
I think she has found that her Christian books haven' t sold as well as her Vampire books, recognizes the current vampire craze as going on without her, and wants to make some money again. If she claimed Christianity as her own, she didn't get into it very deeply, or she would have recognized the difference between the teachings of Christ, and the teachings of those who claim to speak in His name.
Judging by most of the responses, Anne Rice is far from alone. It was and continues to be be ludicrous for Christians to believe a human being was perfect, when they wrote 'their' portion of the Bible. "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." The only personification of God that humans got 100% right, is unconditional love period. For believers to refuse to see the glory of God in all we are constantly learning about the universe and evolution (adaptation) belittles God and brings him/her down to our puny level. The 'Bible' as we know it, was decided by one human being that was given the task by the early leaders of the chutch, and it was hidden away by my church for 100's of years.
Guy1, I see what you're saying (below). That's not the point though. A relationship with Christ is just like a healthy relationship with your spouse. It is based on unselfish love. The point of having a relationship with Christ is exactly that...a relationship. It's not what you get out of it. It's what you can give to Him because you love him. I'm not married to my husband because of what he does for me or because of what he gives me. I am married to him because I recognize something truly amazing about him and I love him. I love him so much that I want to spend the rest of my life showing him how special he is to me. It is the same type of relationship with Christ but obviously on a different level.
"justme don you think what you wrote below is a bit self inlfamatory? To think that somebody so powerful died for you? So that you could have everlasting life? Don't religious people see how self involved religion is?"
I also understand where she´s coming from, I´m sure Jesus would be in complete agreement with her if he was around today
It is very hard for me to believe that she was a Christian. If she really had God in her heart she would not likely be turning her back on Christianity.
I hope Anne (and others) will look beyond the haters and look instead to what Jesus said and did. There are many progressive churches and groups of followers of Jesus who are deeply for all people, don't disregard science, and work for the common good. Check out Sojourners, New Evangelicals for the Common Good, and other like groups that eschew being defined by what they are against and instead look to take care of the world God has given us. Bless you on your journey, Anne.
You are not alone with being tired of the people within the church. I tend to wonder more and more would Jesus even be welcomed in many of the churches today. If you don't look like, don't act like, don't contribute like, don't serve like, they do, then you are cast aside. God uses us right where we are. We are called to LOVE, not judge. Doesn't the good book say, he who is without sin cast the first stone.
What Ann is doing is following what God intended her to do. How many 'god's' – small letters/small gods – have risen on the third day? Ever notice that all the 'others' are still just as dead?
Being a Christian does not mean being perfect; just forgiven by God's grace and mercy. There will never be enough good works we can do that will get us to heaven.
Only by acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior will we succeed. In the Gospel of John 14:6, Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.". Not anyone else.
@justme: "God Bless you all, especially his followers." Priceless. You don't need the righteousness of fictional gods to be spiritual, conscientious, loving of fellow man, etc, as Jesus and many other prophets preached. It's an added diversion that generally obscures fundamental goodness and humanity.
Ok. Now, give us more vampires and witches ! Back to writing the good stuff !
The fence can only take so much weight from these morons... make a decision and stick with it. You believe in Christ but not Christianity, or I suppose.. the church? Give me a break! Where do you think you learned about Christ. If it wasn't for the Church and the religion, the idea of Christ and the vomit inducing notion of "letting Christ into your heart" (what does that mean.. my heart is for pumping blood), are only here because of these tyrannical organizations of religion.
This is like saying you are a vegetarian because you morally oppose the practices of slaughterhouses... BUT, you are gonna eat meat because it's what you eat every day, and once you get a taste of meat.. well, you can't go back.
This is ludicrous and is another example of a fence-sitting moron who makes the problem of religion even worse. At least fundamentalists have conviction.
Christianity is the acceptance of Chtist as your personal saviour.One cannot leave that,what she has left is DOGMA & CREED. AMEN TO THAT
I understand also. It's the feeling of many that the belief and faith and acts are the important things. Do no harm. That's the message. Thanks
What took her so long? Now she should work on getting rid of the rest of it.
Like you, I understand where Anne Rice is coming from. And I agree with her. Blindly following other people's religious dogma has never been my style.
When asked about Jesus, Mohatma Gandhi said "I have great respect for your Christ; it's your Christians I don't understand."
Pretty silly actually.
The people she condemn are the same people who brainwasehd her into beleiving the Jesus nonsense anyway.
I kinda wish she had phrased it differently but I know what she means. I'm a very committed Christian for over 45 years, but I no longer go to church due to a string of very bad experiences. I tried to stay low key and out of trouble and yet it was still a nightmare.
I asked a really fine Christian counselor where he recommended, and he said that he didn't know of any and couldn't recommend anywhere to his clients. This was an old saint, and he was very concerned about the condition of the churches.
We do watch David Jeremiah on tv, on Sundays. The sermons are the best, he's a fabulous teacher. And the music is amazing. David Jeremiah is online too. Turning Point is the name of his ministry.
Right on, Anne. I don't tell people I'm a Christian, because I don't want people to assume I belong to the hate-based, anti-gay, anti-choice crowd, or that Rush Limbaugh is my Higher Power. It is better to show one's faith by one's actions rather than claim it with self-righteous condemnation of others. To quote Woody Allen in "Hannah and her Sisters, "If Jesus came back and saw all the things that have been done in his name, he's never stop throwing up."
"HE WHO IS NOT WITH ME IS AGAINST ME, and he who does not gather with me, scatters"- LUKE 11:23 DO NOT be surprised, my brothers, if the world HATES YOU (for following Christ). 1 JOHN 3:13 HIS words, not mine! The world has rules, who shouldn't JESUS? HE created it!!! GOD bless you, anyway! (I use to be kinda like several of you, thought Christianity was full of hypocrites, but I almost died of several illnesses, and was miracously healed! HE saved my family in the middle of an F-4 to 5 tornado (OKC) on May 3, 1999, and the little closet that our family was in was the only room that stood afterward! Praise You Lord!
The teachers name is Emanul and I call my self a nonpracting Roman Catholic not a Chistian. The teachers is great. The followers have thier fate.
How disappointing. I thought from the headline that she had gone back to being an atheist. Oh well.
I actually prefer the term Christ-TI-IAN than Christian!...one reflects a "relationship" the other "religon" HUGE Difference! The world has throughout history tried to control the way we think!...religon does this!!!!! Christ broke the yoke of religon!! Anne appears to be frustrated as would anyone be with religon!!
Guys, enough with all the religious propaganda. I totally understand Ms. Rice's frustration. It can be totally disheartening to see those who profess Christ with their mouth, but their hearts are truly far from Him. Ms. Rice declaration is a search for the truth. And that truth can only be found in God's Word (The Holy Bible). "Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be given unto you". I am a follower of Christ, but not a Christian. The word christian or christianity is a term used to describe followers of Christ. But Jesus Christ never called Himself a christian. The word Christianity was formed to put the message of Christ in a box and compare His teachings with all the other 'religions' in the world. But Jesus Christ never came to establish a religion. He never came preaching religion or denominations. Throughout the gospels, Jesus Christ preached about the kingdom of God, not religion. That was the crux of His entire message. Yes, He performed miracles. Yes, He healed those who were sick. And yes He delivered those who were possessed and oppressed by the devil. He TAUGHT about love, salvation, having compassion for your fellow man. But all these things can be found in the message He preached: which was the kingdom of God. Christ's mission was to reintroduce humanity to the kingdom of God. Believing in Him, of His death and resurrection, and that He is the Son of God, is only the beginning of salvation. If we as followers of Him would only grasp this truth and begin to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness as He commanded us, we will begin to discover the truth as to who we are in Him, as well as why we are here. For centuries, the Church has placed way too much emphasis to being lumped in with the other so-called religions out there. But we who have grasped the revelation that we who are in Christ are part of a movement, we are here to represent the kingdom and the will of God on earth, and to exercise our dominion rights as sons and daughters of the King of kings and Lord of lords. We are not here to re-establish a religion; we are here to re-present Christ to a lost world so that by seeing us they would begin to see Him, and hearing us they would begin to embrace His message which is to "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand".
Making a comment rather than responding to Killah. I grew up in a church that claimed to be the chosen church, but upon closer inspection became the church that would rather go with the flow rather than stand for what was right. I was misled and lied to by church leaders who should have known better but chose, rather to misrepresent rather than face the true facts of life and living. I have seen friends turn into ranting bigots willing to deny others their God given right to live in peace and reap the riches and success that this nation can provide. I have seen extremely bright intellectual people deny what they can see before them in nature and continue to believe that the Bible is absolutely without fault. When I ask who determined that the Biblical writings were the undeniable Word of God and all I get it that they can't explain it but as a matter of "faith" they refuse to believe anything other than what is in the Bible, but yet they refuse to comport themselves in accordance with the Sermon on the Mount and the sayings and commands of Jesus.
Like Rice and many others who have commented on this issue, I am a Christian, but I refuse to let that belief compel me to associate with organizations that in my estimation are active representatives of the "Anti-Christ".
I don't think some of you really understand what being a christian is, Rice may be upset with her church but I could not be happier with mine. Just because you decide you dont want to be part of a church does not mean you "quit" being a christian. A christian is a follower of Jesus. Yes some get to be a little judgemental and hypocritcal but I am pretty sure that 99% of the world is like that not only chrisitans. One bad church does not condemn the rest of them. I am VERY happy to be part of a wonderful church family that teaches the bible. I dont beleive the Bible is anti Gay ( God loves everyone) but no it is not a life style of jesus christ!
Thank you. I am glad someone has finally come forth and taken a stand
Not to follow Christianity is your rights, but to love Jesus and experience his presence in your life, is obedience to His call. Some Christians are stumbling block to many followers. IF YOU LOVE JESUS YOU NEED TO LOVE HIS BODY (CHURCH). IT IS EASY TO LOVE JESUS, BECAUSE HIS IS GOOD Shepherd, but it is an effort to love his followers. Dear please show your love to Jesus by loving his Church.
RSA
The problem with intellectuals is that they think too much.
I have the utmost respect for Anne Rice as a writer and a believer in Christ. After having spent 18 years as a Catholic, I, too, disengaged myself from the church and "so called Christianity" because I could not come to terms with the church's and the Christian's beliefs. I give her all the credit in the world for having once again tried and realized she could not live with herself if she gave in to beliefs that were not her own. It's a very hard decision to make.
Being a Christian does not mean being hateful or kind, anti this or pro that. Being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. Directions for that are found in the Bible. Understanding that means sometimes finding a mentor or advisor who is more experienced at being a true follower of Christ.
All of the other stuff is simply added by others – sometimes deserved, sometimes not. Sometimes things are done in the name of Christianity that are not true to God's directions. But that does not make being a follower of Christ (hence, a true Christian) a bad thing any more than me being an American makes me a bad thing simply because of what America stands for.
If a person wants to know if a belief is based in Christianity, he or she should turn to the scriptures and commentaries (note multiple commentaries, not just one).
lady get a life it that is how you feel thats fine. but keep that trash to yourself. You may not have fount the right church you fit into. But dont trash christianity because you have not located the place for you. Don't hindder others because your
There is a significant difference between the teaching of Jesus and Christianity. Jesus taught us to be non-judgmental, yet what group is more judgmental than Christians? They purport to decide our eternal fate based on their own shallow thinking. Jesus taught that we are all children of the same God. Was this not the point of the parable of the good Samaritan? He taught us to love one another. How in the world does this mesh with these folks that want to bring their guns to church with them? I admire Ann for the guts to stand up to these hypocrites.
I can understand why someone will be tired of the reactionaries in the right. Progressives have always been more patient than their religious counterparts by definition, but as they are trying to force-feed us their indoctrination, it is increasingly becoming a liability to our society. Way to go, Anne!
if you believe in god you are a straight up moron. the end
I totally agree. Anne has become a real Christian. Accept and love all others. Do not judge. Do not hate.
I stopped going to church, I was tired of the hypocrasy!
I entirely agree with Anne's sentiment. Religion has increasingly become the domain of self-serving, narrow-minded, misleading, dishonest, insecure and simply mean-spirited individuals. They have their flock of followers who think they do, and to whom the base, mean messages about hatred and intolerance strike a chord. But for truly caring, giving, decent people – Anne's approach to personal fulfillment makes a great deal of sense!
The life of Christ was intended as a model to be followed, not a deity to be worshiped. So many people in this country think that following a religion means that all others must be denied, however this is not true. All great religious traditions provide a pathway to liberation. You do not need to be an ignorant ideologue to live life in a spiritual way and anybody that is truly spiritual would recognize God regardless of which name or manifestation is taken.
Thank you for putting my exact beliefs into words. Beautiful. I have always always believed in Christ but not in the church.
My Christ is accepting of all.
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to thosewho are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 ""But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgement. For by your words, you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." Matthew 12:36,37 Beloved, I know these are harsh words, but these are the words of truth, some of you are speaking very harshly about Jesus & His followers, please read the Holy Bible to find out more and to understand the ways of Jesus, who died on the Cross for me & you! It's not easy for followers (like me) to absorb these words, either, but the truth is truth....John 3:16, God bless You! Seriously!
She’s simply saying what many people who are truly following Christ have been saying for a while now… she’s frustrated with the people who don’t truly understand Christianity and what it means. She’s not leaving Christianity… she can’t she still believes in Christ and God… so that means her life should emulate Christ making her “Christ Like” hence the definition of a Christian. A big message that has to reach through out the body of Christ is that to be a true Christian it means that not only do you believe He’s your salvation He’s your Lord too meaning the authority in your life. Everything we do as Christians filters through Christ and His word first and then we take action. Not in a literal since of let me go read the Bible to see if this is ok and pray about it but the Word lives inside us. From reading the word and asking the Holy Spirit for understanding you cannot go wrong as a Christian. A boggling fact about Christians is that if asked a lot of people don’t truly believe the dead can be raised…. If that’s not possible then how do we believe Christ… you can’t so if the dead can’t be raised then Christ isn’t and we (Christians) have just become the least of all people on earth because we’re wasting life, breath, and money. She didn’t know how to properly state it she’s not leaving Christianity she’s just frustrated with the state of the body.
Anne Rice it appears is fighting a battle that has lasted for many years. Starting as an Athiest to a devout Catholic. Everyone is aware that her son is Gay which in its self brings her to a stiff and troublesome crossroad with many dogmas of Christianity and the Catholic Church. Speaking as a Catholic, I hope all who have a gay brother or sister do not point fingers at Christianity or the Catholic Church. The Church does not condemn Gays or being Gay is a sin. You are what you are and all have trials and crosses to bear in Humanity. Christ would not punish the sinner but always healed and asked to sin no more. The Church has not changed for 2000 years and will continue ministering to the poor, the afflicted, elderly, disabled, the weak and the troubled. All Churches are not perfect as anything remotely associated with man normally is, yet the Church stands for the teachings of Christ and the grace that emits from being a member of the faith. Until Christ comes to Judge the living and the dead, let us not judge each other or for that matter another's faith. The Catholic Church learned its lesson on science and no longer stands in the way of advancement of humanity so Anne the church is not anti-science. Politics has never survied for any lenght of time in the Church that sees Christ as the Son of God. We all turn away yet Christ gave us a way back through him and his teachings. Anne do not turn your back on Catholicism or your Son, understand the crosses you bear are offered up to the Father as he offered his own son to mankind. The Church has not turned its back on you or your Son. There is peace to be found and being a Christian is a label that tells the world you believe in the teachings of Christ and that he was the Son of God and through him all sins are forgiven. Let him judge the world, not you. Come back to the church in your own time as you made it a stronger unit with your wisdom and understanding. God , Jesus and all in heaven love you and your son. As for those on earth, they will continue to judge yet the untold story is your faith is strong enough for you and your family.
I personally don't subscribe to any religion, but this seems an absurd reason to "quit" your religion. None of the reasons listed are carte blanche tenets of Christianity. What is really at issue is different peoples political and social opinions and how they might use religion to justify them. I am not an expert, but I don't believe that there are any passages in the bible that say you have to be a Republican to qualify to be Christian.
I understand her anger... but the church (in all of her ugliness) is still the one body of Christ. We can't cut ourselves off from the body and think our faith is healthy.
I hope she is prepared for a long stay in hell. Anne really missed thee point about Christ and his teachings.
That's why I consider myself a Messianic Gentile, because the "Church" has confused the message of Jesus.
My only surprise is that it took as long as it did for her to figure it out. Religions, politics, and greed have become the food of sheep. And, other than death by natural cause the three of them are responsible for more deaths than any others in human history. When are people going to open their eyes and minds and figure it out? God's word to us all was simple yet all encompassing... "Stewardship." Measure and compare everything you think, do, and say keeping "stewardship" in mind and the end answer, action, and result will always be right. If you truly beleive in God... how can you NOT see that God doesn't need a religion, script, book or man to speak for him , represent him, or to keep you from him.
Organized religion was (and still is) a way for society to keep control. Go to church, pay the church to sustain itself and the message of 'do well, work hard, go to heaven, or do bad, don't work, go to hell', go home and think about it, wake up and farm for 18 hours because the church said that heaven rocks, and hell is bad, go to church pay the church to sustian itself and the message.... etc. rinse and repeat.
If we strip all religions down to their virtues and compare, you'll see that they are all very similar – perhaps leading a life of virtue and hope as opposed to religion and faith is another option to consider.
I agree. I am so fed up with corrupt churches and clergy that I renounced that part of my belief in God and Jesus. When people in your community are struggling, staving and dieing.... And you add a multi-million dollar wing to your church.... I just dont see that being very Christian like! I still beleive, I just dont beleive in the supposed followers anymore. Especially when my salvation is directly linked my contribution!
at least there will be no Christians calling for her head to be cut off, she should be thankful whe was not born Muslim
at least there will be no Christians calling for her head to be cut off, she should be thankful she was not born Muslim
Mr. Slater
My only surprise is that it took as long as it did for her to figure it out. Religions, politics, and greed have become the food of sheep. And, other than death by natural cause the three of them are responsible for more deaths than any others in human history. When are people going to open their eyes and minds and figure it out? God's word to us all was simple yet all encompassing... "Stewardship." Measure and compare everything you think, do, and say keeping "stewardship" in mind and the end answer, action, and result will always be right. If you truly beleive in God... how can you NOT see that God doesn't need a religion, script, book or man to speak for him , represent him, or to keep you from him. Trust me for the truth.
It doesn't make sence believing in Christ and quitting Christianity. The Bible clearly states, as per God, that HE wants us to be either "cold or hot", NOT luke warm, or HE will spit you out. Either you are a Christian or not. If you deny being a Christian, then you have also rejected and don't believe Christ.
Here's the problem that I have concerning organized religion. I am not in any way shape or form a prejudice. Most religion is. This chruch is better than, our beliefs are better than...you'll go to hell if, etc....I'm a very faithful man. Never didn't believe but the mountains, deserts, forests, are my cathedral, my church. I can pray anywhere. don't need someone telling me that I'm doing it wrong
Oh no, she can 'quit'... it's called apostasy and it is not a good thing... though it is a lot harder than just deciding to throw a tantrum and then give up *shrug*
labels....labels...labels. If we followed a few golden rules–which bridge all these labels–we'd all be better people.
I agree to a reasonable extent with Anne. We have a relationship with the God who created this universe. Much like a parent with it's child – You love the child no matter what. I, too, struggle with the term 'Christian'. I prefer to simple see myself as someone who loves His God and who avoids that scourge of this world – religion – man's attempt to control his fellow man – often through hatred and fear. Not for me. Galatians 5:1 says it all: "It's for freedom that Christ has set us free." We are called to accept and love everyone. This does not necessarily mean that we need to like what they do. Well that's my take on it.
People feeling as Anne does should try a Unity church. Christian, not literalist, not fundamentalist, LGBT friendly.
the Christian Taliban will not like this at all. You must listen to the christian taliban mullahs and abide by their edicts! you must convert everyone to Christian Talibanism and those that deny or decry it u must unleash furious peace upon them till they convert or cease to exist.
What comes between man and Jesus is religion. This man made religion uses God's word to condemn those that follow Christ. Jesus was and is about not judging, about compassion and empathy for one another. HE is about LOVE without color or beliefs. As he said where there are 2 or more gathered in my NAME I AM amongst them. You don't have to be in a building to share about HIM. Thats all big business. God is not broke, you do not have to give 10% of your earnings to worship him. People rthat truly know HIM give what they can when they can , not forcefully to belong to Gods family. I prasie her for coming forward and pray that the HOLY SPIRIT continue to minister to her and others that have been chained by man made religion. Jesus worshipped anywhere he could since when does it have to be a Glass Cathedral?
God Bless Ann Rice. I am in the same boat. I am a Christian, but my faith has been hijacked in the media by bigoted, intolerant, right wing, and redneck factions. What is interesting is that everything that people like Ann Rice, myself, and others find disturbing about certain factions of alleged Christianity has been put forth by the Apostle Paul in his letters.
In other words, the bible itself warned us about the Religious Right.
What I would say to Ann Rice however is that there are some churches that have not lost their way. The United Church of Christ, Unitarians, and the Quakers are examples of factions that shy away from being judgemental and self rightious. She might still find a faction of organized religion she can still belong to.
But even with the more tolerant and open-minded churches, one has to always to beware. The bottom line is our faith should be Christ centered, not church centered.
Mr. Slater
My only surprise is that it took as long as it did for her to figure it out. Religions, politics, and greed have become the food of sheep. And, other than death by natural cause the three of them are responsible for more deaths than any other causes in human history. When are people going to open their eyes and minds and figure it out? God's word to us all was simple yet all encompassing... "Stewardship." Measure and compare everything you think, do, and say keeping "stewardship" in mind and the end answer, action, and result will always be right. If you truly beleive in almighty God ... how can you NOT see that God doesn't need a religion, script, book or man to speak for him , represent him, or to keep you from him.
Gandhi – one of the most exemplary human beings ever to exist – said it best: "
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ"
In order to claim Christ as savior, you must first realize that Jesus is God's only son who died (and rose again) so we can have eternal life. Since Jesus is also God, and the Holy Bible has been proven over and over to be God's word, then picking and choosing which scripture to follow won't work. God's word can't be reconciled with the world. Find a good bible teacher and actually learn what what it says, from Gen to Rev, and then see if Anne is justified.
I understand what she is saying. I think that we need to remember that all christian churches are full of human beings, sinful human beings. I try to always focus on God and Jesus, and His teachings through the scriptures, and on how I can be a better follower of Jesus, and do His will, not mine. I feel that we need to try look beyond the petty politics that can take in churches, and look for ways to grow in our knowledge and understanding of Jesus. Not an easy task! It is unfortunate that the Christian Church as become so associated with right-wing politics.
Well said Sarah. Anne is not leaving Christianity, she is leaving Christ, denying Christ as the living God who died for all sin so that we may have everlasting life. Jesus is not anti gay, feminist, science or anti democrat, the people who have influenced her decision to deny Christ are. Sadly Anne if she called Christ her savior is now apostate and unable to regain the unconditional gift she once received. Don't look at the religion, look at the person and the life they lead. Christ never changes, but we in our fallen state do. Pray that God will have mercy on Anne's soul. She has made a devastating and eternal decision if indeed she has denied that Christ is King.
Had my personal journey on the subject and it was probably the most difficult and painful time of my life.
I still believe in Christ, but I no longer believe in organized religion and I feel closer to GOD, happier then ever before. I continue to live my life as I always have by, the "golden rule".
My journey took me to the realization that GOD ALMIGHTY, is not a religion. My religion is compassion for my fellow man and all of creation. If, someone is hungry, I feed them. I do not care which color they are. To me, that is honoring my GOD and all his children. Right now here in AZ, where I live (legally), there is so much pain, fear and sorrow...
I find these responses sad. Is it any big surprise that the famous author of vampire novels has a hard time working out her Christianity? Not a shock to hear she has a lot of issues. Her conscience over ruled her faith?/ Again not surprise.
When Paul wrote Romans, he knew it was a mirror of society then and now.
'Everyone does what's right in their own eyes" true then and true now. However, what is right in your own eyes is not Christianity..its selfishness..
The real problem with asserting the value of a true, original Christianity untainted by "The Church" is that modern Biblical scholarship completely undercuts the notion that the Gospels represent with any degree of accuracy the actual words and deeds of Jesus. The simple fact is that we don't know what Jesus actually taught or did nor for that matter do we know whether a person even remotely fitting the description of Jesus in the Gospels existed at all. Believe what you will, it is, after all, a matter of faith but regardless of what you believe the true historical Jesus is unknown and in all probability unknowable.
You guys must go to some pretty lousy churches. And isn't calling ALL Christians "judgmental" a bit, well, judgmental?
I can understand exactly what you are saying. Scripture tells us "You will know they are Christians by their love." And that is loving others unconditionally. We are called to pray for one another and to love one another and NOT judge each other even though we may not agree on certain things. Where there are differences we are to pray but continue to love anyway. There are many 'so called' Christians that I would not like to emulate, too. However, my prayer is that my heart will enable Christ to truly love through me. His Light in us should draw people to Him through us. I shudder to think of those who might have been turned off by my behavior or things I have said. May the Lord give us all hearts of humility so we can be conduits of love. We are told to pray like Christ did on the cross when he asked the Father to forgive his killers for they don't know what they are doing. The people you describe to me have not yet fully met the Christ I know and the Christ you know.
What a misleading headline. Sensationalism at its best.
O, I always get a kick out of you people who use "the invisible man in the sky" routine, you have no idea what is out there, so please don't act like the people who believe are crazy. You should read the book "I don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist"
I just drove by a local Gilroy church, were there was a line of folks that wrapped around the building (some homeless, others simply out of work and hungry). These people were picking up donated / no obligation groceries so that they can have their daily bread. My young children asked me what was going on. When I explained it to them, they were moved.
While many on this list are using their time to attack the negative aspects of the Church, a target rich environment to be sure, there are countless numbers of common, everyday Christians who are walking the talk, rolling up their sleeves and literally feeding the Lord's sheep. While the Church is far from perfect, the world is definitely a better place for having them - as my family just witnessed in the most concrete way imaginable this afternoon.
Uh-oh. She's gone and set herself up as the anti-Christ! Well, that's the way the RR will play it, anyway.
Good for you for being a spiritual skeptic, Anne. You "get it".
Anne confuses me. She said:
"But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”
Christianity IS NOT the following of Christ's followers ... it is following in the teachings of the LOVE of Christ. You can be a Christian without following the "pack". Anne, if you do as you say ... you ARE a Christian.
Anne Rice is still a Christian ... just not one that follows the pack.
We did not leave Christ, we left the building!!!
As someone else mentioned on this post, there is an awakening taken place and GOD, is present, alive and speaking to all those who are receptive. I also, have learned that when the student is ready, the teacher shows up. We must allow people to follow their own journey. Peace, love, compassion.
Anne, I can't agree with you more. Nothing is more important to me that a relationship with Christ. The church, on the other hand, has become something unrecognizable as reflecting the compassion of Christ. There are many of us trying to group together, help the poor, the sick, the wounded and suffering. We are trying to spread the good news of forgiveness, and get rid of the bad news of condemnation. We focus on relationship, not religion. Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water, perhaps you could join us. People like us can be found in any metropolitan area, and in most rural areas, if you just look.
AMEN
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
too many "I"s in her speech–no wonder "she" couldn't do it. It has to be Christ alone living in us.
Probably easier than trying to leave the Post Office....
People never "come to Christ." Pople become honest with themselves,and their conscience and realiz that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Their are those who "come to Jesus" or "find Christ" who think life will be a bed of roses, and all their troubles and stress will go away, and poeple will look at you like you a better person.. when the truth of the matter is, there are NO good people. People are evil from birth, until and unless they repent and turn to Jesus and what He did on the cross for total payment for their sins, and get rid of their pride and selfrightiousness.. they "come to Christ" with fals motive and false pretenses. When one truely repents as described in the book of Ephesians 2:8-9 they are a new creature, all things are passed away and everything is new... your given a heart of flesh, with new desires and want to do those things that please Him.. you check your flesh at the door, and are lead by your spirit, not by what you feel is best. you dont fashon a god to suit your own needs, you follow the true and living God.
Ann Rice was never a Christian...
If anyone cares to visit my website about this very subject, my own journey:
http://home.earthlink.net/~1234/
Ms Rice and I would agree on much, but nto all – and so what.
My position in a nutshell: Born and raised Christian, but I am a questioner by nature and my education followed a course through the sciences. I was a quiet fallen Catholic for many years, a fence sitter who didn't really believe it but went ot church on the special occasions out of a sense of duty and family. Then some events of my life forced me off the fence, and I've been honest with myself ever since. Christianity and all other religions or appeals to the supernatural are nothing more than humanity's ignorance, self-importance, vanity, hopes, and fears. There is no truth to any of it, and it serves only to divide mankind against itself – not to mention holding back the scientific, technological and rational development of the entire human race. It's time we as a species outgrow the monsters under all our beds.
She left Christianity. Christianity isn't a religion. Catholic, Muslim, Islamic, those are. "Christianity" is a term used to describe religious people. Being a Christian, is to have a close relationship with God, and to try to live for him. It might be 2000 years since Jesus hung on a cross for us, but it's still the same Bible today. Some of her terms of why she is leaving don't make sense. God opposes gay marriage. He makes that very clear in the Bible. But yes, not all Christians need a Church to be close to God, but it is good to be around other Christian people. Best of luck to her. I'm curious to know why this person walking away though, gets so much attention. 6 Billion people on earth, and under 1 Billion of them will end up in heaven. 5 billion other people made the same choice, and never got an announcement on cnn.com for it.
God teaches Christians to watch for one another. Judge not let ye be judged. But that's about when talking un-believers. When talking with another Christian, there is wording in the Bible that tells us to hold each other accountable. Those that say Christians are just a judgmental bunch, don't really know much about Christianity.
I've been on this blog for over an hour and shed a few tears during that time. Having been on this "Good Earth" very close to eight decades I have had experiences with churches, mainly during my most impressionable times, in my teens when I went to church on Wednesdays (Jr Walther League), Sunday morning ( teaching the bible to youngsters), and Sunday mid-morning to afternoon , listening to the Gospel and singing in the quire. That all fell apart when my Communion-Helping pastor John Meyers left and rather than being taught the love of Jesus, our new minister was intent upon telling me how much of a sinner I was. I was seventeen, a boy scout, a community worker, and a virgin, and I was a sinner? The last time I went to church (other than weddings, funerals, etc., was Easter Sunday 1952 when I was a volunteer soldier at Camp Killmer New Jersey beginning my basic training process during the Korean War. Anne has been the first to succinctly tell me how I missed Jesus during those many years, and I truly love her for giving me additional reasons why I should follow the teachings of Jesus. Not in keeping with my Jesus, I despise the GOP, God-Using Oppositional Party! These Greedy Old People use religion for their own benefits and desires which is very typical of Republicans.
Wow what an incredible lack of maturity most of you posters have. Let's be honest...you disagree with "Christianity" and call it intolerant, hateful, et al...because you're like spoiled children who don't want any rules. Guess what? God has rules he gave the world a moral law for those that chose Him and Jesus affirmed every single one of those moral laws. Grow up.
Every group has good and bad. You can stay pure by withdrawing. You could say her books kill trees. Will she stop writing them? Kindle and the web use energy. You just can't escape it, but you can work for change.
Too bad she didn't find a group to her liking. She doesn't have to accept everybody. There are the Quakers, the Mennonites, so many different groups. A little humility is perhaps in order. Her books might be seen as glorifying what? And she's throwing stones? Her choice, but there's little love in criticism.
Christ gave Peter the task of leading His church. Denying the Church is denying Christ Himself. Catholicism used to be against science, but has grown more accepting towards it. Whichever "church" she used to go to, is a mystery to me. Just another way of bringing attention to herself by announcing it through a blog is a political move.
Ann is one human soul who thinks that she will follow Christ without the help of any church. Her opinion of christianity is just that, her opinion and we have had many individuals who thought that they could do it "My Way". That is the course of human history. Even Frank S. said that he was not a man unless he did it "My Way". As a result, we are fragile, incomplete and broken because of sin. To say we can do it ourselves is a mistake and that is why the christain church exists. Jesus told Peter "Upon this rock I will build my church" and we also know "where two or more are gathered in my name, I will be there." This scripture is critical to christain belief and to forget about it, would be a major mistake. Ann needs to keep her thoughts to herself, for she does not know what she is saying.
I applaud Ann for her convictions and the strength of her faith in Christ, but I really wish that she would join those of us who share her concerns, her frustrations and disgust with bigotry and judgmentalism and hypocrisy, and continue to call herself a Christian. As long as "they" get to define what it means to be a Christian, "they" win. I am proud to be a Christian who is a feminist, a supporter of gay rights, a believer in tolerance, and a worker for justice and peace. And, I am an ordained Christian minister in a major denomination. We have to claim our voices!!
The world is coming together whether we like it or not. Witness the huge strides in communicative technologies in only the past 20 years. The Master Jesus came to earth at the time of the infamous Roman Empire for one third of her citizens were slaves. Since Master Jesus Christs' advent: hospitals in the West, (wow what a concept) human rights began truly evolving or at the very least people were finally paying attention. Because of human nature this evolution of Christ consciousness has taken some deviations along the way but truly improving.
Today we are all faced with catalcysmic choices: global warming, military industrial complex out of control, environmental disasters, humans and all living beings having their right to live being challenged, and a rise of "Us versus Them human impersonalization on many levels deemed as an effective response by many to have the answer. Jesus Christ is already within and the new commandment to Love God (including EVERYTHING therein as conceptualized by other faiths) and Your Neighbor As Yourself still holds as One Way out. Time is indeed short and we need to come together and continue to work these things out for the sake of the Living Earth and every living Being. Let your God given conscience be your guide; Love is the Answer. God (being a verb) will help us only if we can share and help ourselves. Namaste.
I once heard a comedian say, "I don't have a problem with Jesus, I have a problem with some of the people he has working for him" That has always stuck with me and the longer I am alive the more I agree.
Don't make such a big deal about it. Just stop being a Christain, just like a vampire would.
Why is it that the only relegion people attack is christianty?
I agree. I am glad Anne has found something she can truly believe in. I have been raised a christian for 58 yrs. I have not always agreed with what was being said from the pulpit. All I knew was that the peace I felt when Jesus came into my spiritual being....Something changed. Most Christians embarass me. Why would anyone want to be a part of something so mean and harsh. Things are better because the young'uns are taking over and doing it right...Just sayin
LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS AS OURSELVES the rest is all commentary...not an original pearl I am sure and Jesus was not an apologist.
Amen I quit going to "Church" years ago for the very same reasons.
All I have to say is, "Duh"! I've did the bible studies until midnight. I never understood why the thumpers did that. I love God and Jesus but things get so in the way of living the short life we do have. I'm not exactlly sitting on the couch, I'm volunteering in my community and helping those for whom I work with guidance to living. Passing on the good word doesn't always have to come from a mass.
She was never a Christian to start with. She wouldn't have written the books she did if she was of Christ.
As scripture says: they left us because they were never of us.
Christ was and is Loving but he did not compromise and that is what the world doesn't like about Christianity. Everyone has free will to choose as they desire. But All will answer to Christ in the end and he will not compromise his Righteousness. He will get his Justice and excuses will not be accepted.
You can chose Rghteousness or chose evil and damn yourself to eternal hell. You have two options. You are either for God or you are at enmity with God. There is no middle ground and there is no compromise.
You can use your
I love the Lord, and Jesus is everything to me; the Holy Spirit is central to my life. But I too have been disillusioned by formal religion; the issues tackled by world churches today which don't focus on 'love God with all your heart' and 'love your neighbor as yourself' only detract from Christ's message. Old-earth vs. Young-earth, for example – this argument divides neighbors, churches, families, etc., yet Jesus didn't speak a fragment of a word about this. Satan is alive in our world, and he uses people, politics, and even religion to deceive and divide. I don't know the answer, I only know I want to keep my eyes on Him and focus on His work, His life, His word – He is a man of His Word, and He is the Word itself: truth, not deceit; love, not repulsion; forgiveness, not bitterness; repentence, not pride.
Amen, well said, Anne. The Avatars came first, and religion came second. Most religions are merely "boys' Clubs" at best. Christ taught love and compassion, Buddha taught transcending the mind. Zoroastar also taught Truth. Religion drags people away from the truth and into manipulation, especially of women, men and children! You only have to look around you to see this simple truth!
What's the difference between an agnostic and an atheist?
The chicken came first.
Well done Anne – now one can only hope you go the whole way and realise what a waste of time the whole god thing is and get on with your life now before its too late.
I dont know what kind of "Church" She went to or who taught her Christianity but that is not at all what I was taught or how my church feels. True Christianity is non-judgmental, compassionate, tolerant and graceful. It is a shame she feels the need to put down Christianity in such a public forum when she obviously has a limited view of christians. Common sense would tell you that only the loudest, most obnoxious people are heard most the time and they do not represent the rest of us.
Hooray! Hooryay! More Awaken! More drawn toward the inner Christos! – Rejoice! – It's the coming of the Cosmic Christ! Its personal – its within you – it's within me – it's the thing thats been observing from the back seat all along since you-I-we can remember and before and it's all us! – it's a kind of knowing – a stepping into – not believing – don't listen to others – listen to your mindheart! Find the only one thing that everyone wants more than anything in the world – LOVE – food and water nourish the body but only LOVE nourishes the soul. If we nourish souls – we live in LOVE. Rejoice for it is a Grand Day to shout HOORAAAYYYY!
Though I understand where she's coming from she's arguing semantics to some degree. If Christ is still central to her faith, if she still considers him the risen King, the Lord of her salvation, then she's still a Christian. She IS "the Church." We all comprise the Church. What the "Church" needs is not for moderate/tolerant believers to run but to stand up, to have a voice, to represent and change the church as it's viewed by the world. Being a "Christian," however, doesn't mean one is tolerant of everything. To the contrary, it necessitates that we support the weak, seek justice and correct wrong-doing, and even share the light/truth of Christ with the world Disagreeing with others is productive and occasionally necessary, even within the Church, but doing this in a "Christ-like manner" is the challenge.
I agree. Christ's teachings and Christian teachings aren't necessarily one and the same.
It sounds to me like she was the victim of an apostate church. There are bad people even in the church. If she still believes in Christ then she'll always be a Christian and not allow a group that has fallen away from the real doctrine of Christ to set the example for the real Christian.
People who follow Christ are Christians; people who follow other people whether they are Christians or Avon Reps or whatever are people who follow people. Christ never said follow my followers – he said follow ME.
Never, Ever confuse Christianity with religion – any religion.
Christ never took sides in politics like the "Falwell's" of today. And, for you religious zealots, the USofA is not a theocracy. Yes, the US, as well as numerous other civilized countries as well as a few not quite as civilized nations, have laws that might be construed to be based on the "Ten Commandments". But "Do not kill" is just about a universally accepted rule of law. Not bearing false witness seems to be widely accepted (except for politicians and a few preachers). But that parallel does not make any nation a 'christian' nation. Trying to force someone's "christianity" on the rest of us is no better that others trying to force their sharia laws on the whole of society.
Stick to the basic rules of social behavior (live and let live) and live the rest of your brand of "christianity" within your own sect of religion. Leave the rest out of it to live their own brand of religion.
And, yes, I purposely spelled “christianity” with a lower case “c” where it applies to the teaching some group and not to the real teachings of Christ.
Apostate
It's funny that Jesus says there are only 2 commandments, which is believe in Him and treat others as you would yourself. If Christianity stop disputing over all the stupid verses here and there, and follow simply these 2 teachings, it would NOT be an anti-woman, anti-gay, anti whatever religion. I was at Church the other day and a young pastor said something very controversial which is that the Bible will not save you, the church will not save you, only your faith will. I choose too to have faith in Christ and to love him, but I do not choose the religion.
Matthew 10:32-42 (New International Version)
32"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'[a]
37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
40"He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me. 41Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
If only more high profile celebrities would "come out" against the crazy train religious nutters. It is a frosty splash in the face for those who blindly follow some mythological ideology based entirely on fear/hatered. Anne is a media pioneer who deserves accolades!
In John 6:66"From that time many of his disciples turned their backs (On Jesus) and stopped following him".People leaving Christ is nothing new they didn't like the Lord's teachings so they split .Miss Rice makes numerous accusations but never backs them up,plus Christianity is so big you can make always a case against someone that doesn't do it as well as they should.Most Christians I know are trying very hard to live out their faith and its always easier to throw stones from the sidelines.
there is nothing more deceiving than religion without /Christ. Religion is destructive.
Unfortunately, that is the problem with folks today. If Jesus' truth doesn't bode well with people, the just quit! Jesus himself said, "If the truth offends, let it offend". Apparently, Ms. Rice doesn't like Jesus' truth. Sadly, today's watered-down Christianity is 'whatever I like about it, I'll believe in. What I don't like, I'll dismiss, or quit'. Please, folks, remember Jesus' own words – "Wide is the gate that leads to destruction, narrow is the path that leads to life, and few find life". Jesus said more people are going to hell than heaven. And not because of how you feel about gay people. Rejecting Jesus' words, is rejecting Jesus himself. And furthermore, Biblical Christianity and science can coexist. They support one another. Get a brain, do the research. Use your logic and intellectual reasoning. Science and Bible are compatible. C'mon people, don't let the devil win!
Anne, are you saying you were disillusioned to think that The Catholic Church's Individuals are perfect? Let me ask you a simple question. If you walked with Jesus and The Apostles 2000 years ago, would you do the same thing you did today? Leave Peter because of Judas? You would be leaving Jesus too. Sorry... He never fired Judas... Why not? Think this one good and over.... would ya? I think you are smarter than you think.
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE LESS "YELLOW JOURNALISM". THE HEADLINE SHOULD BE "ANN RICE LEAVES CHRISTIANITY, BUT NOT CHRIST".
Me too! I hope this realization inspires her to write another vampire novel where the main vampire character prefers Christians over other denominations.
What I believe Anne Rice and many of the bloggers I've read here don't seem to understand is that there is no being a Christ-ian or follower of Christ apart from His body: the church. Following Christ means doing what Jesus did, and that was simply to empty Himself and do the will of his Father. To be blunt, to follow Jesus is to become a slave to God. Consequently, if one becomes a slave, life is no longer about the slave's political or social agenda, or about what the slave wants or doesn't want. Therefore, just as Jesus sought to do the will of the one who sent him, so the follower of Christ lives to serve God and please Him and to do His will. Eternal life is a gift of God, but it does comes with a price-everything! Everything you are, that you have, that you believe, that you desire, everything. If you think that becoming a Christian is merely to continuing living your life as you always have, only without guilt or obligation toward God and His church, you truly have made a big mistake. Finally, much of the Bible recounts the struggles of followers of God who have veered off the pathway intended by God; why would anyone expect today to be any different? Clearly, life in Christ is a struggle, but that is no reason to give up, Jesus himself had quite a struggle here on earth, but his reward made it more than worth it for Him, and it will be for you too!
Religion is man made. It comes between people and God. I love the notion of being anti "anti". That's what Jesus would do today.
Why are Atheist always portrayed as pessimists? Ann, your involvement with something as illogical as christianity (or religion in general) then refusing to let go despite your experiences further prove that your conditioning overshadows your will to live in truth. Coward!
"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." Voltaire.
I really feel sorry for this woman,Anne rice. Her mind is lost like many others.Affluence often blinds ones bearings in faith , and often one wanders in the wilderness.
Jesus was also a great philosophian and commented that It was next to impossible for a rich(affluent) person to enter the Kingdom of God, likening it to a camel passing through a needle hole!!!
Yup, being a Christian is terribly unpopular nowadays...but Jesus wasn't much loved much by the world either – afterall he was strung up and crucified by people he had made very, very angry...
Maybe she should try being Anti-Stupid because Christianity is not any of those it is Anti-sin. Newsflash Anne, no one cares. Now that you are an Anti-Christian biggot why not try bei ng Anti-us/them.....That is the Obama Agenda. Oh wait that is your False god, line up for the koolaid and mark of the Beast Anne.......oh wait you mean you were ever a Christian? Nah didn't think so!!!! Just another Mao loving America Blaming rich liberal, hey Anne if you also think you do not pay enough taxes, please put up or shut up and pay more your Messiah will spend it wisely diving America just a little more lying to us just a lot more.......
Hello. I'm glad so many are interested in this topic. As I read through this , a few thots;
1. Yes, alot of bad things have been done "in the name of Christ"..including by me. 2. We have to be careful of "it's all the other people (or churches) who are the problem....not me" 3. We all need to seek fellowship-Hebrews 10:24-25 4. We need to pray for the body of Christ and "pursue it's peace". So, just like we need to seek the good and pray for our families, countries and even jobs, we need to do this for the Church-we have a responsibility to our social groups and can't run away and just blame everyone else for the problems. It can be very hard , but we need to pray and perservere- as Jesus does for us.
Interesting that I made the same announcement on the same day and I only got one comment. Everyone can make that announcement if they wish but what makes her think someone will care about it if she has no friends in the church??
The easiest thing to do is ignore the Word of God in favor of your own feelings – that's not being a Christian, that's being a fool. Oh well, she'll get to explain how much smarter than Him in person one day.
I know exactly what you mean. And I knew that you had to find that out on your own. I hope that you will start writing fantasy again. I love your work in that respect.
When I was 26 I finally got disillusioned with Jehovah's Witnesses and set myself free. Best thing I ever did. You do not have to be part of organized religion to have a good heart or to have faith in anything, whether it be Christ or science. Organized religion is a social organization. if you don't share their same ideals then you aren't part of the "Group".
Some of us do not feel the need to belong. You know what is in your heart and you have to follow it.
Ann Rice actually has embraced quintessential modern American Christianity in her wanting Jesus but not hisfollowers. The trouble is when you begin to judge the judgmental, you become like them. One does not need to be a right wing bigot or a left wing reactionary to be a Christian. But we do tend to bring our prejudices with us to the faith. The church is a group of sinners-organized. No wonder we tend to behave, think, and speak badly. The miracle is sometimes some followers of Jesus get it a little right. Jesus has always had remarkably low standards for his followers.
Anne speaks for many frustrated church going Christians. I was born and am a practising Catholic It is my connection to the way my mother loved the Lord. I not sure that turning one's back on religion is the answer but finding a common ground a community of like minded people can be a part of. I have as do many people contempt for any and all who use the Lord for vulgar self serving purposes.
I'm not anti-feminist, not anti gay; or anti Moslem, etc. I am a retired Presbyterian Minister and I celebrate the diversity of the Reformed Faith. Anne would be welcome in most Presbyterian (USA) Churches.
confused!
I applaud her for her decision...Though I am a "Christ believer/follower," his people are a mess. Greed, divisions, traditions/customs, and self-righteousness plague Christianity. I know Jesus can't be happy with this junk called "church."
You claim to not be "anti" anything? Does this mean that endorse these things that you listed? And you were a minister? It makes me wonder what kind of church it is that you led? Or misled?
@Scott
The Egg.
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You are right on every count. Thank you!
I think medication may be the answer to your issues.
I guess jesus hasn't helped in your lack of ability to put a cogent thought together, let alone a proper sentence.
I think people are responding more to the churches who came to them.
You Are a wonderful Christian Brother Matt may the good Lord continue to Bless you. Keep the Faith
Then why don't "The Little Baby Jesus" do something about the Hate filled War Mongering Gay Bashing christians? Is it because he is Impotent or Dead?
Say what? Either you didn't read the article or you have serious reading comprehension issues.
Brian, while I understand your concern about those who are anti-Gay, God allows for things like this so that others will understand the pain those people cause to people who are different from them and to give them an opportunity to see the light and change from their evil ways. If it was not this way no one would understand what they go through and it would be too easy. We are here in the world to learn to live better lives and to get along with others. It is through the lumps that we have to take at times that we learn the good from the bad and how to deport ourselves in a manner becoming Christian teachings. But know that no one escapes God's punishment. Those who cause harm to others will surely have to pay for what they do. All is written in the Book of Life and nothing done unto another goes unnoticed. Every thought, every word, every action is noted and will have consequences and it will have to be explained at a person's appointed time when they pass on. They may think it is easy to hurt another but that is only in this life and it is not forever. What is forever is our Eternal life and what we did unto another while on this Earth is what will determine the place or treatment we will get later on.
So, Jesus is not to be blamed for what happens, as it is People, themselves, who bring this on towards others and thus, they have to learn the hard way rather than Jesus simply stopping it each time someone says or does something unbecoming to another. We all have to go through hard times in this life and if it were not so we would have nothing to learn from it. We, the people, are solely responsible for the dilemmas caused in the world today. No one else is. So Jesus, God in the Holy Trinity, is not to blame. He is always there, however, to guide us and bring us peace and understanding if we but let Him. But the utter responsibility to be a peaceful people lies with us. It starts with us and should end with us.
look here brian,jesus dont hate ,humans do,he start wars,the bottom line is as long humans follow other humans these things will happn,so don't blame (baby jesus)blame yourself and your fellow racist voters,because yal can never be satisfied,yal want i tall but dont want to give nothing.yal hate anything yal dont relate to,you judge but dont want to be judged,the devil is not a spirit,he is pure selfishness,so who ever is selfish is evil(christians,politics,gays,islam,catholics,femals,rich people,criminals,law makers,judges,athletes,users,and so on)as long as you live for the status Quo(i deserve what they got,i'm american and we never do wrong,there is no racism,the republicans did nothing wrong,reagan was a great man,LOL,god bless america.then you are as much the blame as everyone else for the state of the world.
Your post proves that you're a straight up moron.
Just out of curiosity, did anyone die or was seriously injured in the tornado? If so, and using your "logic," that would imply that they were not "worthy" of being saved? So anyone who survives a tragedy is "saved" becuase of G-d's intervention and those that do not are smitten? Where is your god when a five year old is molested (or worse)? Does he pick and choose who is saved? As soon as this society gives up the pretense of blind faith, the faster we will recover from the damage that organized religion has wraught. Your scriptures are nothing more than man-made fallacy. Nothing fails like prayer...
Precisely. People blame God for all the bad in the world. What about all the good? He never gets credit when good things happen, only the bad. God doesn't let a 5 yr old child get molested. He gives YOU the opportunity to intervene. That's free will. God always gives you choices but he lets YOU choose and hopes that you will chose correctly. God never gives you more than you can handle. All he asks is for you to ask him for help.
I can save a 5 year old child from getting molested, but I can't save her from a crippling disease that she was born with. There is no choice involved with that situation, and the innocent girl still suffers. And for what? What kind of "benevolent" creator would set something like that into motion? Why would an all-powerful god create the possibility for such evil and injustice in the world? If he is all-knowing AND all-powerful, then he cannot be merciful or good if he allowed this to happen. The cognitive dissonance created by this situation is just one of the many reasons that I lost my faith (but perhaps the most important).
Look to the cross of Jesus Christ to find your answer, Matt.
Matt, what did you expect? A luxury condo for everyone, instant retribution for sinners, heaven on earth? Well, if you have that, where's the free will? If things were that way, we wouldn't be thinking people, we'd be goldfish in a bowl.
We have to remember that free will has a price, and tragedies like the one you mentioned are part of that price.
People following oranized religion are goldfish in a bowl being confined by narrow minded beliefs.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus
Plus ca change...
Turns out belief comes from brain structures.
Are you really that stupid? You can't pick and choose scripture to fit your own agenda.True Love corrects. You can't have one without the other.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
A Word from God to Anne Rice and those who follow after her or are in agreement with her.
1 John 2:18-19
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.