[Editor's Note: You know the drill by now. If you haven't seen this episode of "Lost" yet, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.]
After nearly two seasons, Jin and Sun finally found each other again at the end of Tuesday night's episode of "Lost." Jin told Sun, who regained her (English-speaking) voice, that they would never be separated again.
This being "Lost," those appeared to be famous last words, as Sun and her companions Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Claire and Lapidus were captured by Widmore's crew (shades of the end of season two).
But in "Lost" style, let's flash back a bit. The previous episode ended with Sun and Hurley arriving in the Man in Black's camp. After Jack and "Smokey" did some much-needed catching up (and Jack's sister Claire told him that he was already with "Smokey" once they started talking), Widmore's right-hand woman, Zoe, showed up the next morning. Zoe then started making threats about her group's ability to bomb the living daylights out of everyone there. In one of many good lines in this episode, Claire, wondering what was going on, asked Hurley, who told her that some people were trying to kill them again.
Yes, the gang was back together again, but much has certainly changed: Jack believes that his destiny is with the island, Locke isn't Locke and as Sawyer put it - while explaining why the two weren't going in on his plan to leave the island - "Sayid's a zombie and Claire's nuts."
But is Sayid really a "zombie?" When the Man in Black sent him to the well to kill Desmond, our favorite "brutha" apparently convinced him not to do so, asking him what Nadia would think of what he had done. In true "Lost" fashion, we don't yet know if this is the case, but all signs point to yes.
As for Claire, she followed Jack and the crew as they broke off from the Man in Black's group to meet up with Sawyer and Kate at a boat setting sail for Hydra Island. Kate, staying true to the reason she came back to the island, convinced Claire to come with them. Not long afterward, however, Jack felt himself drawn back to the island (Say it with me: "The island's not done with us!"), and swam back, with Sawyer more or less glad to be rid of him. If Jack's not Jacob's replacement, we're certainly being led astray at this point.
And here we are back at the happy reunion, which, of course was short-lived, as Widmore's people started their war with the Man in Black in earnest, placing a dazed Jack, just back on shore, right into "Smokey's" protective clutches.
This time, I've saved the flash-sideways moments for last because they were actually better in a lot of ways than the scenes on the island this week. Many of the alternate timeline story threads of this season started coming together, thanks in no small part to Desmond, who sent Locke (along with a kindly, likable Ben) to the hospital to be operated on by Jack (who just met his sister Claire, thanks once again to Desmond, and, surprise!... attorney Ilana).
Just nearby in that same hospital: Jin and Sun, who seemed to have a happy ending, with mother and baby doing just fine - not exactly plausible in such a quick time, but nevertheless...
Meanwhile, James (not Sawyer) and Miles arrested Sayid for killing Keamy and his men, right on the heels of capturing Kate, who also figured out that James wanted to keep his trip to Australia under wraps.
Four episodes left, and it seems that the flash-sideways loose ends are coming together, but there are still many of them left on the series as a whole. A few of these, along with other observations:
– The Man in Black told Jack that he took the form of Christian early on after they crash-landed. One assumes that that was him on other occasions, except perhaps when the alcoholic Jack was hallucinating. But what about Christian appearing to Michael on the freighter? Are we to believe the Man in Black can take the form of animals too? That might explain Kate's horse and Hurley's bird (okay, maybe not that last one).
– The Man in Black once again described Locke as a pathetic individual believing he was there for a purpose. So in a way, Jack and Locke have completely switched roles.
– So Jack's "The Last Recruit" in the episode title. Well, that's quite a twist.
– This episode seemed to show that Widmore isn't really with Jacob, Sawyer, Desmond or anyone else. Widmore is with Widmore.
– Sawyer and Miles as cops can never not be a lot of fun to watch.
– Back to the flash-sideways: Sun was taken in to the emergency room on a stretcher and seemed to recognize Locke as the Man in Black. This would seem to coincide with the theory that the dying Juliet could see the alternate timeline, the same way Desmond did while underwater, and yes, perhaps even Charlotte in her last moments. So, it seems that true love and the threat of the grim reaper seem to trigger it.
– Alternate timeline-Desmond seems intent on bringing everyone together, but the purpose behind this is still not clear.
– Ilana is probably not the last of the characters we will meet in the flash-sideways. I'm really hoping we'll find out what became of Richard, Michael, Walt, Juliet and Lapidus.
– Best line of the night: Sawyer, comparing Lapidus to a Burt Reynolds movie character.
Time to share your theories on what we can expect in these last remaining episodes in the comments below. Also, it's not too late to post your iReport video on how you see the finale shaping up.
I think Jack's son mother is Juliette... does i make sense... they haven't told us where's she in the flash sidways and they haven't told us who his mother is.... we know it's not kate, because Jack would have recognized her in the plane (if they have a child together for sure they should know each other). Obviously not Clare, the french woman would be too old in the alternate timeline,
SO my money is on Juliette!
A couple things– the jungle kid did seem bigger and his hair was darker the 2nd time we saw him, BUT he still was played by the same actor both times and if you go to the screencaps at Lostpedia you can definitely see it's the same kid.
Also so many people think the series will end with 2 (various) people on the beach. Won't they have to sprout gills to accomplish that, since the island's under water?
Eloise definately factors in somewhere here.
Who has a deal with who? There have been so many double-crosses at this point!
Widmore's deal w/ James is off.
James' deal w/ FLocke is off, (obviously).
I like the theory of people getting knocked out in island time and knowing/seeing the alt time line. Makes total sense now why Sun freaked out when she saw Locke @ the hospital.
So, getting knocked out, reliving island experiences in the alt time, and meeting with love interests from the island time are ways of figuring out for the Losties that 2 time lines exist.
I think Eloise initially made a deal with Jacob so she could marry Widmore, by getting the people to the island, but Widmore still had Penny with another woman... Eloise made a different deal with Smoke Monster to get the people back to the island, so that Daniel wouldn't die.
Good point about Eloise. I think she either made a deal with the Smoke Monster or Jacob... Smoke Monster likes to make deals and Jacob said he can't bring back the dead. So if she made a deal with either of them to keep things going/keep people out of the loop, Daniel wouldn't die, because she's already see him die in her hands when she was on the island. Hmm... I wonder if she made a deal with the Smoke Monster, he said, "Get me Locke's body and you can get Daniel back, he will never have to die."
I think people are complaining about the headline "Jin and Sun Reunited" as spoiling the episode, not the blog itself.....if I'm wrong then I have to agree with the others....stop reading a RECAP!
No one seems to question the power of Eloise. She could be the 'wow' factor heading into the last 5 episodes. After all, she is highly intelligent in quantum physics, has been a driving force of control and manipulation (both on and off the island), and seemed to help Flocke transition into John Locke's form by instructing Jack that he needed to give John Locke something from Christian, in order for the transition to take hold. Based on her comments to Desmond 2 episodes ago she is very tight lipped about the future, life purpose and allowing anyone her knowledge, even her son- master quantum physics Daniel. She seems to be the driving force and a very strong character although portrayed little in previous seasons and episodes. Can't wait until this thing wraps up, a lot should unfold rather quickly...
the bird scene was kind of stupid. a bird dove at everyone when they were off on a trek through the island it seemed to say "hurley" as it flew by. sounded wierd
It seems Jack will leave the island. He keeps stating the island is not done with me/us "YET" suggesting that at some point it will be. his roll is key, but i don't think he is the new jacob. maybe the candidates' purpose has always been to delay the smoke monster untill another jacob comes (from wherever the first did)or he is resurected. "Nothing stays burried on the island" was a quote from an earlier episode.
good overpowers evil. Love conquers all and is the only inevitable destiny. Those that love each other will do so in either time line, just a matter of when and how they meet. Juliett is Jack's true love, kate was an infatuation. Do we know that Jack's "ex" is an "ex" or perhaps just away? The embodyment of good and evil in Jacob and MIB is still hard to explain. Angels? ALIENS!? Both timelines cannot coexist indefinitly. one has to yield to the other. Jack cannot stay on the island and continue in the alternate timeline. The Island time line is the now. The aternate time line is the future after the current Island time line comes to it's resolution. the only person not seen in the alternate timeline is richard. how about he replaces jacob on the island with MIB and every one else gets off (and flashy flashes into their alternate timeline or they "die" on the island to ensure their alternate futures?
Alright I figured it out....LOL
Desmond was knocked out on the island and he remembered his time on the island in the alternate timeline.
Sun was knocked out and when she was going to the hospital she remembered Locke being the bad guy in the alternate timeline.
Hurley not so much It had to be his depressed state and help from Desmond that helped him with Libby and he remembered. Tracking
Now it's all set up for Jack & Locke someone mentioned that it's ironic how Jack is about to save Locke in the hospital and Locke saved Jack, but remember Jack is damn near knocked out or concussed by the blast, that is going to trigger the memories of Jack at the hospital.
Adam & Eve will be explained in the last 1 hour episode. (that's my theory) Rose/Bernard or Jin/Sun I don't think it's either of them.
For the life of me i can't remember THE BIRD can someone please explain it to me. It was something subtle like that I missed.
QUIT READING THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SHOW PEOPLE!!!! ARE YOU TOO THICK TO UNDERSTAND THAT?
well, i would agree usually as I always do...but I feel that this kind of ruined the episode for me as well being as i have not watched this either, I will not return to this blog you have spoiled the show to it's entirety! thank you for those who spoke up about it @britney, and @ buckley and others
THANKS ALOT IDIOT FOR RUINING IT!
He married her and they divorced
Wasn't Jack engaged to the woman he saved in the operating room?
so i think if you havent seen an episode of a show you shouldnt read a blog thats whole purpose is recapping that show. idk, seems like common sense or something? also, sharon? jake? watch the show, jeezus.
Maybe it's just me, but if I haven't seen a show and I'm waiting to watch it after it's aired and I don't want to know anything ahead of watching it, the last thing I would do is go seek out blogs about it AND READ THEM IN THEIR ENTIRETY!
Last night's ep had some of the best cinematography of the whole series. They've spent to much time in the jungle and not enough time on the beaches. It was cool to see so many of them all together again after being separated for so long. Locke's camp felt like a reunion.
I have no clues as to how it will end but I'm really looking forward to seeing it all play out!
Eloise has her own selfish reason/puurpose for stating Des & Penny are not meant to be....remember Des had find his "constant" which is Penny. Eloise is trying to disrupt the "constant" connection. Everyone seems to be at cross purposes...Jack & Locke, Ben & Widmore, et al.
Ithink Locke might have become smokey when he was first shot & left for dead by Ben on the island. The "constant" love/special relationship willhave a big factor in the end.
people...if you read this blog, then most likely, you are going to find out what happened in the previous show. OBVIOUSLY you should stop reading these updates if you haven't seen the show yet!!! I think it's hilarious for all of you getting mad at people who are just explaining their theories because they happen to watch the show. STOP READING THE ARTICLES IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHOW!!!
Don't think Juliet is David's mom, possibly the mother is Jack's ex-wife who broke his heart. I can understand the Penny theory. Still surprised by Eloise & Charles Widmore being married. I think Christian Sheperd will be part of the answer in the end. At one point everyone seemed connected to Christian or Jack some how, some way. The tv series started with Jack (eye). what about his mother....she is the one that insisted that he go to Australia to get the father's body...does she know something or is it just a bit part???
I think the bodies are of Jacob & Mib's parents hence the correlation to the Jacob & Esau. Would love to know MIB's real name since mostly all the names having some meaning in the real world... historical people, physics, mythology, blbliography.....What do you think???
I agree with @Britney and @Buckley, i have NOT seen the episode and this completely made it pointless in watching the episode now. i'm never returning to this blog again, I can't believe people like you write blogs to ruin people's chances of figuring out the episode for themselves...some people have dvrs HELLO...thanks for ruining the show!!
In an earlier Season 6 episode, someone asked Ilana if Smokey could take another form, someone else's body. Ilana made the comment that now that Jacob is dead, MIB is stuck in Locke's body. He can no longer assimilate someone else.
FYI – Rose has shown up in the alternate reality. She was the manager of the employment agency and worked with Locke to find a new job. She was/is still fighting cancer.
I believe if Jack stays on the island, his alternate reality will remain constant. He and his son will live on. Sawyer/James will meet Juliet at the hospital when he goes to investigate either the hit and run or the shooting. James will ask for out for coffee and she will tell him fine but they need to "go dutch."
Desmond will survive an electromagnetic explosion that destroys the island and his alternate reality will cease to exist so he can go back to Penny. Afterall, in the alternate reality, Desmond is now a wanted man. That's not good.
Kate has nothing to live for in either reality. I think she's a goner and will die in both realities. Same with Sayid. Claire will die on the island but keep her child in the alternate life. She will have money from Christian Shephard to live on and raise her son.
Hurley will survive in both worlds. He has too!
Locke is already dead. He will die again on the operating table.
Just my musings. But I'm with it until the end. :)
I think the bodies in the cave are the parents of Jacob and MIB and that the two boys we've seen are young Jacob and young MIB. Seem to remember Jacob mentioning his parents in the cave on the cliff where the candidate names are written. Flocke also mentions a psycho parent.
The genie theory doesn't really work because why did Jacob leave the island to visit everyone at some point. Theres a connection....the "master" of the genie really wouldn't have known to do that....
The island is just a vessel for the story....
If the Island was sunk does that mean that all its powers are gone too....... someone can still go down to the Island and get to those pockets of power....
Originally when the show started I thought this was more of a "Lord of the flies" storyline where the survivors of a plane crash would have to lead their own new society....a more up to date Gilligans Island....
It turned into a Matrix type show and who knows if that is truly what the writers were reaching for.. Like the video game "myst".
The only true way to prove this was all thought out before is that when its over, trace everything backwards. Thats how usually stories are written and clues written in.... Its easier to work backwards.... of course that is difficult when you not only work off different universes but different timelines...
Does anyone remember the finale to St Elsewhere?
Turned out it was all made up in the mind of an autistic child looking into his snow globe.
Doubt this would be the same...Just saying.
I had to contact CNN to report. as the orgiinal TakeMeThere I have to change my username since someone else isusing the same name and is a complete bonehead.
I think jack's ex is juliet, and then when sawyer and juliet meet in the alternate time line it's going to bring sawyer and jack together, and then there will be that whole jealous tension between them again like there always was with kate!
I don't think anybody is going to get off the island. I think they will sacrifice themselves so their alternate timeline selves can go on living happily. I think one or all of them will "see" the alternate timeline and realize they can in a way live on. Then they will turn the donkey wheel, go back in time and somehow sink the island so that MIB is trapped, unable to leave the island. Then their alternate timeline selves live "happily ever after".
yeah, i agree @Britney, I haven't got the chance to watch the episode either and all this bonehead did was ruin in for me also! ...thanks alot!
Very interesting, first time I've heard that, and the puzzel pieces would fit. Maybe they are all inside the "lamp" lol (lamp post station leads to...the lamp?!)
Lapidus looks like he could be Sawyers dad...
I think Desmund is the new Jacob since MiB sent Sayyid to kill him. Just like he couldn't kill the old Jacob, and had to find a loophole. My thoughts:
– Desmund is the final chosen one as he's now "ready" for it.
– Jack will perform an ultimate sacrifice (death?) and end up being the Adam in the "Adam & Eve."
– MiB will be sent back or to somewhere within the Island where he can't escape from.
– The Island is nothing but a lab test- no different than Faraday's Rat Maze.
@Britney well you should not have read this blog.....
Also, why haven't we seen Shannon in the alt timeline????
@torb...good idea! only 25 other people on this blog already said that! lol...read it before you post....
I didn't watch this episode yet...thanks for ruining it.
Sharon followed (the image of) Walt into the forest and died. If MIB can only take the form of dead people, how did Walt appear to Sharon when he was not dead? Supposedly the 'others' had him at that time.
The alt timeline is not the way things are supposed to be and Desmond knows it. Now he is trying to get all the others in the alt time line to see that. The island timeline is the real one. This is probably what would happen if FLocke ever gets off the island and Eloise Hawkings has something to do with trying to keep it that way. So the island will not end up at the bottom of the ocean beacuse this is shown in the alt timeline. Somehow Jack and Flocke are going to be the only ones left on the island. How is that going to happen? Not sure yet, but I think it will have something to do with Desmond turning the donkey wheel again.
Everyone is assuming that Sayid want Nadia back, they have never said names so, could it be he actually wants Shannon back?? Will she make an appearance??
the blond kid also said "you cant kill him" who is he referring to?
okay so do u remember 2 episodes ago when Desmond was talking to fake Locke and Fake Locke asks him "Do you know who I am?" Most people would respond "Your definitely not John Locke" But Desmond said "Of course, Your john Locke." After this, fake Locke looked very angry as if Desmond had somehow figured out something. He then brought him to the well and pushed him down. I think Desmond is right. I think "fake Locke" might actually still be John Locke. Not sure ho though and why John would do this.
i think i read somewhere that the mom is someone we know that met on the island.
Jacob and MIB are aliens. the Island is a device (big gear in the heart of it? who would have made it? big stone statue that looked egyptian). Jacob said "They are comming" as he "died" and MIB was scared. Jacob was not talking about the candidates or any other mortals. the young blond child scares him too. is he one of the ones who is "comming"?
Why Penny as his mother? Did Jack and Penny ever have a thing??
@Lisa I think she would make be an excellent choice. And thanks for agreeing with me about my 12:37 comment. As I mentioned in a post at 2:17 I don't think she is anyone from the island and probably has to be someone we know and Penny would fit the bill.
desmond is the new jacob.
adam and eve are walt and the polar bear.
hurley is the new island.
no lisa... I dont see that happening at all. i too think Juliet is his mom or maybe her sister.
HEY GUYS no thoughts on penny being davids mom ...
when was the last time we even saw Rose and Bernard on the island?
@woody...maybe they killed themselves before the bomb went off....who knows
the alternate reality is the happy ending...they wouldn't waste time fleshing it out if it wasn't important
everyone is assuming someone has to stay on the island at the end for them to defeat MIB, maybe there's a different way to beat him
Rose and Bernard are probably the skeletons...they stayed in the past. The black and white stones might just refer to their respective skin colors, not good and evil.
Juliet probs works at the hospital.
Sayid ends up with Shannon.
Ben and Illana end up getting it on.
@TTG – yup – I was worried he was dead because of the gash in his neck
Maybe Locke was killed in the plane crash and the smoke monster took over his body right away...but then how would he have gotten off the island season 4?
Also – can some people get a spell check or something before hitting "submit comment?" seriously.
Lastly – The blonde kid cannot possibly be Aaron, Aaron is 3 and off the island. The island is in the present and that kid is like 12.
Please explain to me how Bernard and Rose did not get transported from1978 to the present time like all the other 815 survivors after the atom bomb explosion?
I kept waiting for James to call Kate "Freckles" in the Police station.
This show just got too whacky for me, and I stopped watching it two seasons ago! Why did they have to ruin it, and make it a "time traveler", "sink island", 'nobody seems to be who they are", etc., etc? I am betting that at the end, everybody will be scratching their heads thinking "okay, what just happened here", and it will be a huge cliffhanger! You just watch! I hate this show now.
Some of you have said the two bodies in the cave may be Rose and her husband. How can this be? They are the flight back with everyone else.
Ooh, good theory, Coco. That Jack might be dead at the end of this last show. I thought after that explosion he was going to stand up and see the Oceanic plane wreckage and that all of this had been a dream right before he crashed.
I think they are all in purgatory – the fact that Michael said he was stuck there and there were other dead peoples' voices.
@maggie....i was just thinking about that today. i was going to watch that part again to see if he really was bloody or if i imagined that. good catch. something happened at that point....
They are puposefully not showing us who jack's ex-wife is. It is obviously someone we know. I'm frustrated that people think it could be Kate; it cannot be Kate because she is a fugitive and has just been caught by James. Plus, she and Jack still communicate regarding their son and she has primary custody. I'm guessing it is Anna Lucia or Juliet. I do think Juliet and James will meet and be together at the end.
I'm rewatching the first season and I'm starting to think that Locke was the MIB the whole time. It seems that whenever Jack followed the MIB as Christian, Locke would show up right afterward-like when Jack was following his "father" and almost fell off the cliff. Locke just happened to show up and save Jack from falling. Maybe Locke was killed by the smoke monster the first time he encountered it and the MIB took the form as Locke at this time in the first season.
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@ emm ...Jin did not die on the feighter he washed up on shore alive and well.
@ Paisy... Jake?? I think you mean Jack...or your really not paying attention...
Smokey is an Evil Genie. Jacob was his master; so now 1 of the candidates will be his new master. Smokey has to leave the Island in order to be free the catch is that it would be with the help of 1 of the candidates. That is why they all have to leave together. Think of the prior clues; describing the Isalnd as the cork that holds the Evil in the bottle. Also remeber the bottle of wine Jacob offered to Smokey that Smokey broke. How does a Genie travel? He travels by turning himself into smoke!!
Jacob could make things happen. He granted Richard a "wish" of eternal life, but he could not bring back people from the dead.
Think about it....
Did anyone notice that when the missile went off, Jack's neck was bloody, but after MIB/Locke touched him, all traces of blood were gone
Henry, There are FIVE episodes left, not four. Four *until* the series finale plus the finale itself.
As for your hope to find out what is happening with Richard in the alternate timeline, he may be dead. If the island sank in the seventies when the nuke went off, he may have drowned or the island's power (through Jacob) no longer existed and his grant of eternal life may have expired.
Sorry if this is a repeat of previous comments. I can only read a few before I'm saddened by how little attention it seems some people pay to a show they demand so many answers from.
des met penny running the steps at the stadium .... he also met jack there doing the same thing if you remember a couple of seasons ago .... i think penny is jacks exwife.... her half brother is daniel who is also a musical prodegy just like david ....
I believe that Jack is going to take the role of Jacob while Locke will be the MIB. I think the rest of the characters will fall into one of two categories: dead or off the island. This way, Jack and Locke will be the only ones on the island and will wait for the next batch of people to come to the island...
Waldo there are obviously 2 seperate kids running around. A blonde, could be aaron I guess, and a brunette, really doubt it is aaron. I really think it is the previous bodies of MIB and Jacob, maybe thier original bodies as kids, beofre they took over other bodies. Maybe like Michael their spirits are trapped on the island.
Dharma brought the polar bears to perform experiments.
And alot of people are complaining about the "spoiler headline". We all knew that they were going to reunite the question was just when and how, so that really didn't ruin a whole lot...
i wonder if the candidate has to die for Jacob to take him/her over too? could be why Locke saved Jack.
I think Desmond is the new Jacob, too. I've also been wondering how Walt appeared to people on the island. Hurley sees dead people and the Locke-monster can become dead people...but Walt isn't dead!
I remember something like the mummies in the cave were Rose & Bernard. I'm not sure if I imagined this or actually got it from something on the show. So, just saying...
The mother is Jack's son in the alt time line is going to be Juliette.
The kind running around the island that locke keeps getting mad about is going to be Claire's son Aaron.
The rest I havent figure out yet though.
i just want to know why the polar bears are/were on the island
Ok...the commercial interruptions are really p i s s i n g me off. I think its time to cut the cable and move to watching all shows on line.
with that off my chest...
What happens if they do get off the island...you have 2 saywers, 2 kates, 2 claires...etc.....2 beings of the same "person" cant survive...one of them has to die...
kind of like single george and relationship george from Seinfeld...
this show is really starting to annoy me .... but im hooked.
I wish they would bring Charlie back as an active character for the last few episodes.
@Nailik You stole my quote and just changed one of the characters. It's not Sawyer, it has to be FLocke. Also, as someone else mentioned I don't think Jack's ex wife is anyone from the island.
I'm wondering when we are going to see the dinosaurs. When Hurley was in the cave with the bodies he mentioned something about dinos. Didn't the original pilot got eaten by a dino in season 1? And last but not least Hurleys award was a dino.
Maybe the show is trying to say that after you die, you really don't die, that there are alternate realities?
Desmond, should he escape, will play a similar role on the island of getting the survivors to realize the alternate reality. Maybe, they will in the end...as Jacob seems to always present the scenario...get to choose. If so, I think Jack will sacrifice his life with his son to be the next caretaker of the island.
I think the two bodies everyone's been talking about are the parents of MIB and Jacob. There was mention by MIB about coming from a bad childhood where one parent was evil...so something to that effect, I think. And so Claire's situation is a siimilar case, perhaps coming full circle. It brings up the question of who should be the parent to Aaron: Kate or Claire, and again, there is a choice to be made. If Claire goes back and becomes his mother, Aaron may turn into a similar MIB.
Jack is Kate's uncle and Jin's cousin. Kate is actually a man, the MIB's grandfather who fathered a child, named Hurley, 2000 years ago in a well. Richard found and raised Hurley who then fell in love with the smoke monster who became Locke. That is why Hurley looks so uncomfortable now around the MIB.
sorry, I meant not "before" they've ....
Nice Spoiler Alert CNN.
"Jin and Sun reunite on Lost" might be something you want to save for the BODY of the article!!!
It would make sense I guess to have Juliet be Jack's ex.
Rose & Bernard being Adam & Eve...not sure, but I was wondering about what had happened to them.
No way Jack is dead. The fans would revolt.
Desmond is not dead – Sayid couldn't do it.
Like I said last week, no way they'll tie up all the loose ends...in true Lost fashion they'll leave us wondering again. But not after they've answered a whole lot.
I think there will be lots of surprises.
Anyone starting to go through Lost withdrawal? What are we to do once it's all done? : (
Water dotraps the smoke monster. We heard Locke tell Sawyer that he couldn't just fly over the water and leave. When we saw Ben "release" the smoke monster he drained some kind of reservoir first. These two things makes me believe that when the island sinks underwater, that the smoke monster will be trapped in whateever pocket of air/ container that he's in.
@TakeMeThere April 21st, 2010 12:58 pm ET
You have no life. What kind of a loser takes the time to hate on a show and post something like that. If you dont like the show, simply dont read this article. Moron.
If Jack is not Jacob's replacement I am at a loss to think who is. I just don't see Desmond as the replacement and in my honest opinion, even though this show has an ensemble cast, it has really always been Jack's story. This show started with Jack and it will probably end with him on that Island.
Look at what he said to Sawyer: "I felt like a piece of me was missing when I was off the island". If that is not a clear sign that he is supposed to stay there at the end I don't know what is.
Don't really care who Adam and Eve are at this point. And I don't think they plan on telling us before the show ends either.
Who should get off the island:
1. Claire (she deserves to meet her son)
2. Jin and Sun (Jack promised Sun he'd get her and Jin off the island)
3. Hurley (just cause he's so damn likeable)
4. Desmond (he deserves to get back to Penny and their son)
5. Lapidus (poor shmuck got dragged int this mess after all)
6. Kate and Sawyer (cause Kate deserves someone and it's not going to be Jack)
Who will probably die:
1. Sayid (looking to redeem himself)
2. Widmore (he has to die, Lord knows he deserves it)
3. Ben (just cause I hate him)
4. Widmore's people (by association)
5. Miles (somehow I just don't see this guy surviving)
6. Richard (so he can finally rest in peace)
Who stays on the island:
Jack and the MIB once agin restarting the cycle.
Sorry but Desmond is not going to be the new Jacob. His name wasn't on the wall with all the other candidates. Desmond has been said to be the "key" to everything because he is separate from all the other survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Plus I doubt the island could contain Desmond from getting back to Penny.
Its always been Jack vs. Locke and I'm sure the writers are on that track.
I am so interested in what happens to Sayid.
He is definitely one of my favorite characters and I don't believe he killed Desmond which means that he has regained some of his individuality.
Awf Hand – I think there will be many things that will go unanswered like the pregnancy question – and I'm not hatin' on the show for that. It's going to be one of those things that just "the way things are on the island".
I agree with Rob K (The last lines spoken on this show will be FLocke and Jack sitting on the beach and Flocke saying to Jack "You know how bad I wan't to kill you right now").
I don't believe the bodies in the cave are Rose and Bernard. Does anyone remember Rose in the sideways timeline... she was the human resource person when Locke was trying to find a job and told him she had cancer. I think the bodies in the cave might be Jin and Sun.
Ana Lucia can't be Jack's wife / David's mother because she was on the Oceanic flight. Maybe Juliet's sister is Jack's wife (remember her)?
I think Juliet will be Sun's doc. She was a fertility doc or OB/GYN.
Can't wait to see how this all ends!
Isn't Claire the Last Recruit? Not Jack?
...and all of this mumbo jumbo is EXACTLY why I stopped watching. Sad. What a great show it used to be!!
For everyone who is asking about Charlie swimming out of the window, the room wouldn't even have filled to the ceiling with water! The room would only have filled to the same level as the broken window. It is simple high school physics. You would think that a show that deals with such advanced physics theories would have gotten that one right.
I think Juliet is going to end up being Jacks son's Mother........
Jack is Not Dead
Desmond is New Jacob
Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve
MIB represents good and Jacob represents Evil
Whidmore does not allign to any of the above, he wants the island for himself.
I H8te Lost but used to Love it is trolling as normal.
That is all.
Why can a pregnancy not be carried to full term on the island and how might this be significant??
That would be awesome!!!
The show's final scene: Jack and Sawyer on the beach at the foot statue. Sayer says to Jack: "Do you know how much I want to kill you?"
Jin did not die on the boat, but Michael did. We saw last season, or 2 seasons ago, that Jin jumped off or was blown off of the boat as it exploded. Michael was indeed down in the engine room and did die, but Jin did not.
What about the black dude, Mr. Echo. Why was he killed by the smoke monster and why didn't MIB use his body?. Was it because of his strenght and size as well as him not showing fear?
Has anyone noticed that Sayid keeps saying "the woman I love" but never mentions her by name. Shannon also died in his arms and I'm thinking he means her and not Nadia.
Good point newbi. Since fake Locke said he could only take on Lockes image when he was dead, the MIB we see could just be another person who came to the island that died.
The people on Hydra Island are all the "candidates" plus Kate. Think about it – Claire's father is also Jack's father, so technically she's a Shephard as well, and both Kwons are there. I think that's why Widmore had no problem bombing the hell out of the main island – all the candidates are now in his custody. My theory – Jack's the writers' decoy!
why couldn't the mummies be des and penny? maybe that's why widmore is so intent on his tract.
I think the 2 younger kids that MIB keeps seeing are a younger version of Jacob and MIB. Both were roughly the same age but one was blonde (Jacob) and the other had dark hair (MIB). Just a thought.
I agree with jessica @Jessica April 21st, 2010 10:34 am ET
Sun and Jin always make me cry!! Loved the episode.
Kate looked so pretty and awesome sitting at the police station and talking to Sawyer (oops James). Amazing!!
Seems like Jin and Sun are indeed Adam and Eve.....
who's to say MIB is not a female? The mummies could still be jacob and MIB but everything points to the two being on the island for centuries. The mummies apparently much more recent. Is the Island an extraterrestrial prison with Jacob the "warden" of MIB?
I do think that Jake is the new Jacob, and he does realize this. Why would Jacob always set Jake aside from others if it wasn't true? And I don't believe in Jake as a 'new recruite' just because he talked to Locke. How many times has Sawyer been talking to MIB? And I don't think he's been converted. Neither is Jake.
I think that MID remains in the island in Locke's body and Jake will be guarding him.
I think that juliet will be sun's dr, because she was the one who confirmed when sun got pregnant when they were on the island. since kate was with claire in the alternate timeline, i think it will be the same for juliet and sun, and while that happens, james will come in and question jin and sun about the shootings, and then he and juliet will meet and she will say her line that she said right before she died..."we should get a cup of coffee, we can go dutch if you want" (paraphrasing there)
I knew the whole time that mib played jack's dad!
last night's episode was so intense!!! There was so much info that came from it! I can't wait til next week
not ana lucia, genetics wouldnt match, david is even paler than jack and has blue eyes, jack's are hazelish.
Hey TakeMeThere, someone did the same to me. That asinine comment about Jack and Sawyer was not me. Congratulations to the moron that did it. Your life is officially worthless and everyone hates you.
Could Jack's wife be...Ana Lucia? After all, Jack was attracted to Ana Lucia at the airport bar in Australia.
Could the skeletons be Sun and Jin? He said he's never going to leave her again. He's a fisherman's son. She is handy with a garden. They could build a nice life on the island together, but they would miss their daughter.
I believe the bodies are Jin and Sun...Ying and Yang. Desmond is fine and is the new Jacob, remember we only had 5 candidate names and we don't know who the last one is unless they are counting Jin and Sun separately. Jack died last night and willl be the new MIB.
The ex-wife will be Juliet, she will come to the hospital to pick up David since Jack's plans changed and had to do an emergency surgery. How will Kate end up there if she was arrested? Also, how did Claire know who her father was? Did Ilana know and tell her and not tell Jack when he was questioning who this person was in his father's will? Did anyone catch last week at the end, preview for this week, that the meshed Claire and Flocke's picture...is MIB in 2 places at once and it is on the boat too? Also at the end of last night's show, preview for next week, they said something about "being dead."
I personally think it will end in the alternate timeline with everyone brought together somehow. They were supposed to be together and this season has shown us that no matter what happens in life there is a destiny that we have and will always find in the end...just different routes to get us there.
@TakeMethere April 21st, 2010 12:58pm is NOT ME....original "TakeMeThere" someone is messign with me and my posts!!! I can we haev the same comment psoting name. CNN do you allow registration of duplicate comment posting names???
They all died in the intial plane crash...except for Jack. They all keep coming back to Jack b/c they do not know they are dead. The show will end with Jack convinving all of them that they are dead, and Jack leaves the island (heaven) and returns to real life. The End.
I think Burt Reynolds and Frank Lipidus will end up on the island together with 2 fast cars to race around on.
Boy and this one posted immediately....hhmmmmis it because I am onto something????? I have posted effortlessly in previous weeks.
Any one else havbing this problem???.
I think that the two dead bodies are Jack and Sawyer.
I know this sounds ridiculous considering their names are different and they are on the island together at the same time, but do Sawyer and Lapidus seem like the same person, but from a different times in their life (different ages)? They look the same, act the same, even have the same smart-ass sense of humor. They are rarely in scenes together and when they are they banter back and forth like mirror images. Does that tie in somehow with the time travelling? James did change his name once to Sawyer. Maybe I'm way off, it just seems like too much of a coincidence that they're so similar, even though it doesn't seem to make any sense.
Whay are my comments not being posted when the lame "i hat elost commetns just keep flying. Commented twice with my theories but once again not shown what is up with that??????
I just decided I hate this show. Anyone, having not seen Seasons 1-5, could step into Season 6 and undertand what is happening. It makes me sick to think that I cared about all that BS from seasons 2-3 to arrive here.
I believe Rob K to be correct.
Also, despite my newfound hatred for the show, I will likely keep reading, so can people please stop posting about Bernard and Rose?!? My god, who cares???
what if the skeletons are eloise and charles whidmore from the 50's
Every week there are hate comments about the show (mostly from I H8te Lost But I Used To Love It) and every week someone swears the show will end with Bob Newhart waking up.
The show is good and it will not end that way. Both comments are neither clever or funny anymore.
Knock it off.
Isn't Jack's son too old for Jack's wife in the original timeline to be his mother?
Did anyone notice Juliet as one of the surgeons operating on Lock along with Jack? Also Jack jumping off the boat reminded me of Sawyer jumping off the chopper. I think the island is NYC
Its seems more likely that the cave corpses are Jin and Sun, who will "never be separated again".
I believe the bodies in the cave are the parents of Jacon and MIB. They either were born or crashed on the island and became who they are after one of them murdered "Adam & Eve" ie..bodies in the cave.
The last lines spoken on this show will be FLocke and Jack sitting on the beach and Flocke saying to Jack "You know how bad I wan't to kill you right now"
YES! thats a good point. I bet Des being able to withstand the electormag bursts would be of use to Lock. I also had a feeling that lock couldn't kill him because Des would be immune to locks static-smoke form. It was surging with energy afterall. And I bet smokey can not kill anyone in lock form, eveytime he has changed into the smoke to attack, and I bet Des would be immune somehow, so needs Siyad to kill him. Hes not a canidate so he wouldn't be breaking the rules killing him like Eko.
And there is PLENTY of time to wrap up answers. You people are funny. We go to see a whole MOVIE in an hour and 45 mins and they interduce, explain and end the plot in one shot, why is it hard to belive that Lost can not fit enough into 5+ HOURS? (4 eps + 2 hour ending right?)
As someone who watches Lost on demand, I wish CNN would STOP REVEALING PLOT POINTS IN ARTICLE HEADLINES. Really, I'm just browsing at CNN for news, and all of a sudden, BAM!!! CNN ruins a surprise on Lost. Gee, CNN, thanks a lot.
They need to wrap this up with a feature film. It would be much more enjoyable to watch in a theater without a commercial every six minutes.
Hurley referenced the mummies this year saying to Jack , what if u and me traveled back in time and those are our corpses , Weird huh , they were in the cave where the plane wing was after they went to the light house i think
@ Enough already............wrong
It just occurred to me last night that the boy that unLocke has seen, and been bothered by, in the woods looks an awful lot like Jack's son. There haven't been any other young characters on the show besides Walt. I think this is one reason Jack is drawn back to the island.
I can't help but wonder if the candidate #42 – "Kwon" might end up being Sun *AND* Jin, and somehow they become "Adam and Eve"?
The bodies in the cave must be Rose and Bernard?
Lost = TIREDHEAD
I dont know who the new Jacob will be, I'd feel sad if it's Jack cuz he'd end up alone in that island, no Kate. But it does look like it'll be Jack, his tattoo meaning (in the show) "says" 'He walks amongst us, but is not one of us'.
Sawyer is a good person, he won't be a new MIB.
Juliet is definitely Jack's ex-wife and David's mom, the same eyes! And she hasnt shown up yet... they said it would be someone we knew from the Island. It cant be Kate cuz they didnt know each other on the plane, she's arrested, and anyway, she'd be far too young to be David's mom. Sarah won't be either because she would be too young too, and she wasnt on the Island.
Adam and Eve might be Rose and Bernard but why the stones? One of them turned bad? I dont see that happening.
Shannon will show up, she said it on some interview but I think Nadia was Sayid's true love, he didnt know Shannon that well.
Richard couldnt die, so maybe he made it off the Island, unless Jacob died in that timeline and so that the Island "sank" Richard could die too. No idea how Ben and his dad and Dr. Chang got off the island.
I hope Desmond isnt dead... and it would be heartbreaking if he didnt end up happy with Penny and his kid.
Something weird about MIB being Christian... one, didnt he "call" Jack when they were back in LA? and then he "saw" him? But mostly, when Sun and Lapidus saw Christian and he told them to wait for "Locke", wasnt the MIB ALREADY "stuck" in Locke's body? So how could be have been Christian too? There's definitely something going on there...
I've been watching the show since the beginning, but have been growing increasingly frustrated over the past few seasons. Yes, they're tossing out a few crumbs here and there, answering a few questions to satisfy the masses. But that doesn't change the fact that they're making this up as they go along. The proof is that they JUST FINISHED FILMING this season. Usually shows – especially ones as complex as this – are finished filming months in advance, with only post-production left to do. The writers have admitted that they've been making late changes. This doesn't sound like a story that has been thought out and planned well in advance. As a result, there are going to be a lot of important items that just get ignored, continuity has been thrown out of the window.
There's just too little time left for the writers to wrap this up with any real cohesion. These last few remaining episodes are going to be artificially compressed and contrived as the writers struggle to stuff as much as they can before it's over.
When the bomb in 1978-Dharma time went off, all the survivors of 815 transported to the regular present time. So why wouldnt Bernard and Rose be transported to present time. Why were they left behind to die and become Mummies.
Maybe it will all end with Bob Newhart waking up in his Chicago condo after another wierd dream.....
@ Is it just me, or...
I agree and I'm glad that you brought up this point. Someone else mentioned this on this site a few weeks ago too about Sayid loving Shannon, not Nadya.
Also, I missed the comments last week, so I appologize if this has already been discussed but, didn't Michael AND Jin die on the freighter ship? If Michael is "stuck" on the island as a ghost of sorts, wouldn't Jin also be "stuck"? Am I missing something about the story?
I'm getting a little confused about what is going on in the island timeline after having watched this week. Looking forward to reading more comments!
I've thought that "Adam and Eve" were Bernard and Rose for some reason. Unfortunately most of the ep was interupted for weather advisories. So I'm some what lost no pun inteded. Desmond, what did he say? How did Sayaidd react? I know the gun went off in the preview. Both Jacob and MIB seem to put down the one person who had extreme faith in them that they were chosen people. Jacob with Ben and MIB with Locke. I honestly don't believe this has anything to do with "heavenly" issues due to that.
Hasn't Sayid killed Keamy twice in the alt reality ( once in the restaurant and once after finding out about his brothers debt to Keamy)...Are there 2 alt realites
Smokey Locke needed Sayid to kill Desmond so IT can become Desmond at some point.
Smokey told Jack last night that he needed Locke to die first so that he could take his form. IT can't hurt any of The Chosen, so pick any of the extra characters to turn into corpses.
Smokey will assume the form of Desmond for whatever future purpose it intends. Babysitting Charlie, running down Locke, gathering everyone at the hospital...
And man, if Smokey thought Locke was a fool for thinking he had a purpose by being on The Island, almost everyone there would have been a fool at some point or another.
As for Shannon, yes I think she'll be back. CNN had an interview with her months ago and she confirmed it. Plus Jack and Hurley found that inhaler.
You knew it was coming! duh! they had to bring them back together at some point!
And "used to love lost" still loves it, regardless of what he says, or else he wouldn't watch it.
I used to love heros too untill the 3rd season, so I stopped watching it. I used to love 24 too, but now I think its stupid, so I don't watch it or even read the 24 article. Don't worry "used to" we all love lost you are not alone!
What exactly did the hydrogen bomb do? It couldn't have sunk the island. Only rising sea levels can do that.
Also, who managed to get off the island during the evacuation? I thought it was only the women and children of the Dharma Initiative. The Others should all be dead (Widmore, Eloise, Ben)
Didn't Jacob visit James in 1976? The hydrogen bomb changed the timeline from 1977 onward. So James' future should not have been affected.
I don't think the sideways time line is a simple split from the moment of the bomb explosion. It must be something completely different.
Agree that it is going to be Shannon that is Sayid's love as she is still scheduled to come back this season without much time left. The bodies in the cave were Rose and the dentist. They stayed in the past and were already older then and she had cancer. Whatever happened to the island healing people. It does not really seem to do that as everyone who really healed ended up dead anyway.
I would love to know more about the kid that Smoke Monster sees, and apparently the Six Candidates can see. The first time we saw the kid, he was much younger and said Smoke Monster can't kill him (I forgot whom). The second time we saw him, he was smirking at Smoke Monster (I forgot about what), but looking older. Is that meant to be Jacob being reborn?
agreed, thanks for the spoiler
jnader, I thought that as well. Is that actually a runway? The plane is stuck in the sand so just jumping on and starting it up won't work. Also the windshield is broken.
mom of Jack's son in the sideways timeline? definitely Juliet.
Has anyone seen the condition of the plane? How in the world is it going to start and take-off of the island?
Thanks for spoiling it in the headline CNN, some people have not yet had a chance to watch it yet.
I believe the 2 bodies are Rose & Bernard, who seem to stay above what all the others are goihg through.
I like Tu's ending. I agree that Desmond is going to make the ultimate sacrifice. he is trying to make everything right for all of the rest.
Ok what is this series ends like the Stephen King Dark Tower books. With everything starting all over because someone didn't do something right in the process.
Does anyone else think that Jack died in the last scene? Locke/Smokey said to him "you're with me now".
I think some people make a hobby of going on every message board to say how they hate every show whether they watch the shows or not. They have nothing better to do during the day. Doing that is great fun for them. And remember, negative attention for some, is better than no attention at all. Besides, they might think it is fun to to jerk people's chains.
Adam and Eve – simple. Amelia!!! (Earhart, that is.)
Jack will be the new Jacob, but will LOOK like Locke, having "taken" the MiB's body, as MiB told Richard he had done.
I think that Juliet is Jack's wife in this timeline...they haven't showed either yet!
"Adam and Eve" are probably Rose and Bernard. They should be able to find a dog's skeleton nearby too...
totally agree with Ronald Breeze. Desmond is the new Jacob. This is why the fortuneteller(Eloise) told him that he and Penny were not meant to be together.
Ignore 'I H8te Lost But I Used To Love It';
Simply a Lost Troll looking for a reaction. He/she is not enjoying Lost at home so there's nothing else to do but harrass other people that do enjoy watching it.
It's just like "the matrix", and everyone is really just hooked up to virtual reality machines. THE END
@ Pete – couldn't have said it better – and I was the same way with Heroes – glad LOST didn't have the same affect on me! :)
Hay H8te – you have an off button – use it on your TV....and here!
This person DOES come in here every week and type out the same nonsense. You keep posting here every week about how you hate Lost, yet you keep coming back. I don't like Kate Gosselin, which is why I don't go to stories about her and definitely don't leave comments.
The bomb happened in the 70s, so the original flight 815 would have had a different personal, historical make-up. Thus, Sawyer's fate/occupation could have changed, but not prior to the explosion.
does anyone else think that Sayid is NOT after Nadia but is actually talking about ... SHANNON!!! If you all recall, she died in his arms as well! I'm also beginning to think that this show is an elaborate attempt to convince us all that "deja vu's" are, in fact, ACTUAL memories!!!
@used to love lost
There is a really easy way to get it to flashoff your teevee screen as you so eliquently put it. Its called the remote control. Is your life really that pathetic that you have nothing else you could do with that hour? Man I would hate to be you. I used to like Heroes, then I didn't so now I don't watch. Saves me the hour and I get other stuff done. You should look into what we rational humans call the "power button"
Mulder, the truth is out there.
LOL @ TTG
You're right, I do say the same thing every week. Unfortunately Lost doesn't give me anything to root for. I just want something. 1 thing to root for but Lost's not providing it. Yet.
Oh, And every week everyone else says the same thing on here too. Who is the new Jacob. Who will be the two left on the Island. I think everyone else should get over it.
Good one, Carol. Love how you're bringing it together. Maybe we'll even get to hear her say something about getting coffee together sometime. But my guess is, Juliet will be Sun's in-hospital OB/GYN and will meet Sawyer at the hospital when he's there to question Sun and Jin about ID'ing Sayid.
I think the last episodes will be a confrontation that some how inter twinds the 2 different timelines together in a spectacular fashion.
If you recall the movie : Frequency where the father and son where fighting off the bad cop at the same time in 2 different timelines.
My belief is something like this will be happening in the last Episode(s) of lost.
Where's that guy who used to love lost but now he h8s it? Isn't it about time for him to post about how much better 24 was this week? OR did he finally realize this is clearly the superior show? Great episode, seems like we will finally get the pacing needed to complete the show in the few remaining episodes.
@Hawkeye, I definitely think that the line you mentioned has some significance, especially that Claire also told Jack that it didn't matter what he thought because he was with unLocke the moment he had let him speak.
It was also interesting to see Jack saving Locke in LA and unLocke in the Locke's body saving Jack on the island. The roles got reversed.
Where was Ben in all of the madness last night?
@ JANET....I'M WITH YOU!
If Juliet's setting the bomb had made the Losties reach safe, then isn't Sawer already a cop before crashing on the island and also must be knowing Miles before meeting him on the island? Confusing!!!!
Sawyer could get his flashes if he goes to the hospital to question Jim and Sun. If Lock's dad shows up to check on him at the same time, Sawyer could run into him. That would definately spark something there.
One thing that struck me–at the end of the episode, when Widmore fires the missle that explodes on the beach and propels Jack for several feet, unLocke picks up Jack and takes him away, and then says to him–"It's okay. You're with me now." I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe it means nothing, but on Lost, almost everything has a meaning, especially when they stick on the very end of the show.
@ I H8te Lost But I Used to Love It – you say the same thing every week....get over it
This show is a total, unmitigated piece of cr@p. Kindergartners can write a better plot. This show has devolved into a bad SciFi channel B-movie... "Lost: Hopelessly Wandering On An Island Without A Good Script". When Locke ran into Jack I was hoping it was Jack Bauer who could maybe infuse some excitement and cohesiveness into this hot mess.
The FlashSideways? Why? It's just filler. It takes up half the show for nothing. I can't wait for this show to FlashOff my teevee screen.
Desmond and Penny will meet for coffee at a coffeeshop near the hospital where Jack works. Juliet will happen to be there after her shift at the hospital. Sawyer will also happen to go in for a cup of coffee after questioning Jin and Sun about the murders at the restaurant. He will see Juliet, and that will stir his island consciousness.
Bernard and Rose are Adam and Eve. Perhaps if the Losties looked around the cave a little more, they would have discovered Vincent's doggie skeleton.
interesting but i think they are bigger than that
Maybe MIB isn't by himself, maybe he has a host of spirits on his side, just like Jacob has that boy. I have a feeling he can't transform into other bodies while he's FLocke, which brings up Christian when Sun and Lapidus first arrived back at the island – was that the real spirit of Jack's father?
I am also getting the feeling that Eloise is on MIB's side, that she must have made some kind of deal with him in order to save her son. She after all orchestrated the whole return to the island, and FLocke knows that they all must get off the island the same way they came. Maybe MIB's promise to Sayid has to do with this sideways reality.
I'm beginning to second guess myself again (ha, ha) and think that the island being under water is MIB's doing as well, seeing how much he hates it. But somehow, it's going to backfire and he will be part of the destruction.
Adam and Eve is going to end up being Bernard and Rose
davids mother will be . . . . eloise. . . . .
jack gets down like that
Yeah that's what i said the mother has to be Juliet...it did not post for some reason...I also said that the two bodies are Rose & her Hubby...LOL they never made it out of the past...LOL...
Jessica, I don't think that Kate can be the mother of Jack's son in the alternate timeline. Jack and Kate were on the same flight from Sidney. Besides, before the meeting with Ilana David's mother and Jacks ex-wife called – at that time Kate was held by the LAPD.
Personally I don't see any reason why David's mother should not be the woman Jack married in his "real" reality, before the island. A "bombshell," too, in my opionion.
jacob and mib have taken many forms so gender is not a worry.
As long as Lost doesn't end like the Sopranos I'll be OK.
"You know whats funny is how no characters have ever mentioned the two bodies/mummies in the cave are Jacob and the MIB. THEy even have the black and white stones on them"
well one of the skeletons was a female. . . .. so apparently your completely wrong
The mother to Jack's son has got to be Juliet!!!
whatever happened to the coffee date that Penny and Desmond made the night they met at the stadium?? (remember, Penny said she'd meet him in an hour)??? didn't their meetingat the stadium happen the night BEFORE all the other things Desmond is doing (hitting Locke, meeting up with Claire in last night's episode, etc.)?
I think the two realilies will always have to co-exist . The island realilty is the payment to have to second better sideways reaility.
Remember Dogen said he had to go and stay at the island for his son to stay alive.
Eloise knows this also thats why she is protecting the sideways realilty from Desmonds flashes.
Jack did say one of the bodies in the caves was a woman, and that looking at the decomposition of their clothing the bodies appeared to be about 50 years old.
The bodies in the cave were a man and a woman. The Losties always referred to them as "Adam and Eve".
Did Sayid's lettting Desmond "speak first" before he shot him have anything to do with Sayid letting Unlocke "speak first" earlier in the season? I do not think Des is dead and I do think Sayid is lying.
Third_Island: Charlie didn't swim out the window because they usually don't make windows that open on underwater stations. Even if the window had been broken or opened, it was only the size of a port hole and Charlie wouldn't have fit through it. It was all he could do to write a message for Desmond on his hand before his lungs gave out.
This was a good episode. My favorite was the reunion between Sun and Jin. Those are two very good actors, they make their relationship believable.
And I was a little miffed at Jack for going back- he and Kate are to be together! But, either way they all seemed to be screwed. Jack's in the hands of the Locke Monster and the boat passengers are at the mercy of Widmore. Now what?
I'm glad Jack and Claire could meet in the alternate timeline. AND, I really, really want to know, who is the mother to Jack's son in the alternate timeline? I think that's going to be a bombshell. I'm thinking Kate, but the show seems to be keeping that one close to the vest, since it would reveal they end up back together again. I don't know. Either way, he and the boy's mother are not together...so I guess it could be anybody, but you know it has to be someone from the island.
I agree, best line of the night was Sawyer's Lapidus comment: "He looks like a character out of a Burt Reynolds movie." I laughed out loud! He always has the best lines.
Richard most likley won't appear in the flash sideways as he would be what, 160 years old?
I have a feeling Juliet is working at the same hospital.
While I think its unlikley, it is lost though, chance Michael is also smokey? He did lead hurley to stop them from blowing up the plane, and smokey can only appear as dead people he said right?
Would be safe to assume then that when Walt appear to RealLocke when he was in the hole shot by Ben, that it was not smokey because Walt is not dead.
I like how they are keeping us guessing whos really the good guy here. We all know that Smokey has done some bad things but at the same time, Jacob getting involved with the losties hasn't exactly brought them good fortune either. There may have been a few smidgens of truth in what FLocke said to Jack.
She is dead on the island as we saw in last weeks explosive episode LOL!!!
Something seems to be off with Locke. He can kill anyone else on the island but not the Candidates??? Hmmm... But yet he sent Sayid to kill Desmond Why?!!!
I did like how all of the flash sideways kind of came together. It starting to make sense a little bit. NOT...I still want to know for what purpose are they coming together.
Ronald Breeze suggested a very interesting thing, Desmond does seem a bit like Jacob.
I'm interested in what happens to Sayid. Assuming he didn't kill Desmond, he practically can forget about Nadia (again, assuming that Smokey could bring her back, which is unlikely). With no hopes for getting back with Nadia, Sayid has no obligations to The Man in Black. I wonder what he'll do. Will he side with Jack?
I think the show will end as it began this season, with the island under water, and the sideways reality being the only reality left. The survivors of 815 will come to realize this (already thanks to Desmond) and know that when Juliet spiked the bomb, it did work. They've made it home. Locke will be saved by Jack in the hospital miraculously being able to walk again. A happy ending. No one dies.
I think Lapidus will fly them off the island and into the sideways reality. Somehow, MIB will be trapped again. Maybe the island will move again or destroy itself. Maybe in the end, it's the only way to prevent MIB from ever leaving, to trap him under water. Maybe Desmond will be part of that destruction, sacrificing himself in the process. Everything will be reconciled.
im pretty sure Jack said one was a women (the people in the cave)
when Jack went to the cave that had the spring in season one there were two bodies there. they used the cave as their camp for a little
Water pressure he wanted to to relay the message and he had no breath left
he knew he was going to die one way or another...Desmond told him. And I dont remember if it was a window that could open or not.
Woody – what do you mean the bodies/mummies in the cave?
Why didn't Charlie just swim out of the window at the end of Season 3?
Does anyone think that Jack's son might somehow be Richard??? They seem to have the same eyes & hair colouring? Do we know who the mother is? I cannot recall?
Remember, Jacob told Jack (thru Hurley) that he "Had what it takes"
Did this mean he will "fix' Locke?
Jack looks at the Xray and says something about the Neural sac...wasnt this the same thing he botched on the girl in previous flashbacks?
Also, when MIB & Jack go off into the jungle to talk it is night – they have torches. Yet when they come back to the group on the beach it is daytime. Did they talk for hours? or is this kind of symbolic of Jack's enlightenment?
Yea I thought that the MIB will always be the MIB (in which he can take the appearance of someone who is dead.) I dont think there is going to be a NEW MIB.
We're not seeing any flash forwards after anybody gets off the island this time. Assume for a moment that anybody on Sawyer's boat actually does get to the sub (or plane) and manages to get off the island – or assume that FLocke gets to the plane and gets off the island – we don't see any of what happens next. No flash forwards.
That tells me that Lost will either end with a lot of cliffhanger type questions or... Nobody gets off the island. The show ends with all of them there still. Dead? maybe.
MIB wont be replaced like Jacob is being. THe man in black will always be Locke.
I'm convinced: it all began with Jack and will end with Jack...
If Jack is the new "Jacob", does that mean Sawyer is the new "Man in Black?"
Also, OT..has anyone else read or heard that the producers always intended to end the show in NYC? I swear on one of the specials in the 3rd season they stated this fact.
If that's the case ... HUH?
You know whats funny is how no characters have ever mentioned the two bodies/mummies in the cave are Jacob and the MIB. THEy even have the black and white stones on them
wow the commercials were making me crazy. such interuptions i cant take it .
I think Desmond is the new Jacob as he seems to be getting everyone together and changing their lives while doing it. Why Locke let Zoe walk off after threatening him, and his group, is beyond me. If I was Locke I would have staked her to the ground, right in the bulls eye coordinates, and called Widmore and told him to fire away then held the phone to Zoe so she could scream. I'm surprised at Sawyer thinking he had a deal with Widmore because Widmore has always been about Widmore, so either Sawyer was taken or he still has a con going. Liana is becoming an interesting character in the story as she seems to be taking on many different roles in the progress of the castaways. It will be interesting to see if she pops up again on the island.
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