[Editor's Note: You know the drill by now. If you haven't seen this episode of "Lost" yet, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.]
When last we left Sawyer, he had joined up with the Man in Black in order to finally, at long last, get off the island. On Tuesday night's episode of "Lost," we discover that that truly is all he cares about, and he'll do just about anything to achieve that goal.
The Man in Black has much the same mindset, as it turns out. At one point, he tells Sawyer that he is the "smoke-thing" ("monster" is "name-calling," after all), and that he gave ample warning to the Others at the temple before snuffing them out. On the island, it's kill or be killed, and nothing should stand in the way of getting off the island.
The intrigue on the island, for the second week in a row, was almost equaled by this week's "flash-sideways," which began in exactly the same way as Sawyer, a.k.a. James Ford's first flashback in season one... except that this time, con artist James was working for the cops. His partner? None other than Miles, who probably uses those psychic powers to solve crimes. Now there's a spin-off I'd like to see (the new Starsky and Hutch with a twist, perhaps?).
It turns out that in this timeline, when James came to a crossroads on being a crook or a cop, he chose the side of law and order (did the influence, or lack thereof, of Jacob play a role?). He explained as much to his blind date, Charlotte, a friend of Miles (one has to wonder what's become of Faraday here). You have to hand it to Josh Holloway, he has had chemistry with pretty much every actress he's been paired up with on this show, and Rebecca Mader is no exception.
Despite his attempts to go on the straight and narrow, there is still vengeance in James' heart, which Charlotte finds out the hard way upon discovering the truth about his past with the real "Sawyer." Soon, Miles figures out about James' recent trip to Australia to find and kill "Sawyer" (the same reason con man James went there). Lest we forget, the real "Sawyer" is none other than Locke's father, whom we learned a few weeks ago is on good enough terms to be invited to Locke's wedding.
No sooner does James confess the truth to Miles than a fugitive crashes into their car... yes, it's "Freckles" herself, Kate Austen, back into his life once again, almost as though it's destiny. Score one for the Sawyer/Kate 'shippers.
Back on the island and the "real" timeline, the Man in Black has a mission for Sawyer: travel to the other island - where he and Kate spent some time in cages in season three - and do some reconnaissance. What does Sawyer find there? A pile of dead bodies from Lapidus' plane, and a sole survivor. But this being "Lost," things are not what they seem, and in a pulse-pounding moment, the survivor is revealed to have a few friends with guns, who take him down to a submarine to meet one Charles Widmore.
Con man Sawyer (whose lying skills are much admired by the Man in Black) swings into action and he scores a deal to hand "Smokey" over to Widmore in exchange for passage off the island, along with those in his camp. It's a deal... a deal soon broken when Sawyer spills it to the Man in Black. That night, Sawyer tells Kate the real plan: to take that submarine to freedom while Widmore and "Smokey" fight it out. Somehow I don't think it will work out quite that way.
A few more lingering thoughts on this episode:
– Out of nowhere, Claire attacks Kate for raising her child, as Sayid looks on, emotionless. The Man in Black takes Claire aside, admonishing her, and later Claire apologizes to Kate. I'm not buying that for a minute.
– The Man in Black also compares his own mother to wacko Claire while talking to Kate. Is his mother really at the root of all this?
– Widmore was quick to agree to Sawyer's deal for a shot at the Man in Black. Is that really what he's been after all this time?
– Did Widmore really kill those passengers on the "New Otherton" island?
– Creepy Claire moment of the week: Holding Kate's hand when the Man in Black tells the Oceanic flight attendant and children about what happened to their friends at the temple.
– For that matter, the cast as a whole has really come through this season in a big way. Great performances all around.
Finally, are you as psyched as I am for next week's Richard-centric episode? Share your thoughts, theories and more on video, or in the comments below.
@Louie I work two jobs and still have time for a social life and a few shows, dont think im some kid living with my parents and nothing else to do.
I never claimed to have everything figured out, except with the flash sideways. Reason why im so sure is that in every recap ep on tuesday @ 8PM they say "This is not a flash back or a flash forward but a flash "sideways" ". I'm starting to see the importance of this and how Jacob might not be such a good person (Seeing how much better the lives are in this world)
OK i got one question to ask what ever happened to those Polar Bears? to the yellow labrador? and that statue with the four toes come on people there is no way they can ever answer these questions with only 8 episodes left.....Rumor has it that all this was just a thought in George Bushs head.....
Folks, at NO point in time did Whidmore ever say he was there for un-Locke and at no point in time did un-Locke say he was going to hunt/kill/capture Whidmore. They are in alliance and yes, it was a test for Sawyer. Think about it. If Ben Linus is Charles Whidmore's enemy and Jacob was un-Locke's enemy and Ben Linus was on team Jacob that would mean that Charles Whidmore is on team un-Locke. That much seems very obvious to me. A good question to ask would be is that woman who can find the island (can't remember her name sorry) un-Locke's AND Jacob's mother?
Can't WAIT for Richard's episode. He's my favorite character, so mysterious and strange, I've liked Nestor Carbonell in other things, but in this role with little or no effort he's by turns sweet and sinister. I mean, he's such a nice guy, he seems so wise and seems to mean so well, but how do you trust someone who doesn't age and plays his cards so close to the vest? Getting into his world will be a treat. It's pretty clear by now that he was a crew member on the Black Rock, and in hearing more of his story we may get more face time with Jacob, always a treat, as well as (hopefully) some key pieces of the puzzle.
Ok we are seeing Sawyer as a cop in HIS flash sideways. Who says he was a cop in Kate's flash sideways? Yes, Jack is a doctor no matter where he goes but obviously Sawyer is not always a con man wherever he goes. We dont know that he was a cop in *all* flash sideways, just his. And who are Adam and Eve? We were told that would be explained. And Damon/Carlton said that Annie (Ben's friend) was important. They're running out of time and I'm getting antsy with this.
Hey, I'm just giving my opinion, no need to get snarky! I'm really enjoying all of you (I'm lookin' at you, "LostFan58") who think you've got this show all figured out. The one thing that jumps out at me reading through the comments is that NONE OF YOU really has it figrured out. I'll admit I forgot about some of the other pre-crash changes, though, like Locke's engagement–I'd study the show a little more closely, but I have a job and a social life!
@winter ... We've been watching the 'ending' to Lost all season, and just don't know it yet.
I truly believe you have nailed it !!
I just went back and checked the tape of the episode and the book on Sawyers dresser is very clear. It is Watership Down
This has meaning, a powerful book, but I'm not sure what the meaning is
To tmp – Hurley wasn't touched by Jacob until AFTER they returned from the island – when he was sitting in a cab, and Jacob touched him to get him to go back to the island. That means, that Hurley's bad luck had nothing to do with Jacob's touch.
Does "Lost The Movie" have a ring.
love the show cant wait for tuesdays
ok claire "crazy" .......smokeys mom "crazy" so i figure smokeys mom took over claires body ala locke and smokey so claire is dead
just a thought
Yep, Smokey or Locke as we see him is a great manipulator. You can bet when he confesses deep feelings to Kate or anybody, it is for a manipulative purpose. Bottom line is that Smokey wants off the island. But who is smokey? Another site gave a great clue and I wish I would have figured it out. Several times in the episode Sawyer mentions SOB. Locke talked about his crazy mother. Who was the craziest mother of all? It was Eloise, mother of Dan Faraday. If Faraday only existed in the future because his mother shot him while he was still unborn, it is possible his soul ended up in a grey area or a smoke area. He became the smoke monster in his frustration. That would also explain who is behind the locked door in the sub.
And perhaps Widmore is searching for the island relentlessly to destroy his own son, the smoke monster.
The flash-sideways that don't seem to be relevant probably ARE. See, the producers admitted only Matt Fox knows the ending to the show...because it was crucial to his character...SO...we know Jack's alive until the end or affected in some way. Here's why:
At the end, Jack beats Smokey/saves the world by turning the donkey wheel/whatever gimmick they invent in the last episode to stop the evil...and as a reward/punishment, Jack is sent forward into a perfect scenario universe, where everybody gets their just desserts. Sawyer's a cop, Locke is with Helen, Jin and Sun will be happy, Charlie will get clean from drugs because Liam loves him, etc, etc, etc, etc....drawback is...Jack will be the only one who remembers the old universe. Last scenese of the show will be Jack flipping the switch/turning the wheel to stop Smokey, followed immediately by Jack waking up on the plane in the alternate universe.
We've been watching the 'ending' to Lost all season, and just don't know it yet.
I am really excited about the next episode with Richard's full back story. I believe Jacob and the Black Shirt guy/ smoke monster are some kind of alien beings and the island is some type of space ship, but I could be wrong of course. And the reality shifts that have been happening lately with people like James Ford being cops is due to the fact that they will not be left on the island in the season finale' as the caretaker or the one to keep smokey imprisoned. They will be transported through time and space, to a place in which their lives did not lead them into contact with the island.
I'm still waiting for closure on some season 1 stuff. Why were The Others taking the children? Who was really killing people? Whatever happened to Rousseau? Supposedly Walt was taken because he was special. What did they do with him?
I'm very excited about seeing Richard's storyline. I've been looking forward to it for weeks. I read some where the Smokey will get its own episode. Very interesting. :P
as far as the chosen one is concerned...it seems to me very obvious who that will be...Hurley. Jacob is in the training phase right now with Hurley. Unlike any of the other candidates, Hurley doesn't have any skeletons in his closet. If its not him, my second choice is Sun.
Jack – father issues, recently killed someone on the island
Kate – killed someone on and off the island
Sawyer – killed someone one on and off the island
Jin – started off a good person, but his job
Sun – was not faithful to her husband, but other than this didn't do anything else seriously bad.
Sayid – killed and tortured many people.
Claire – until this season was a strong candidate, but the evil sickness eliminated her.
Locke – up until he died in last season, he would have been a strong candidate if he could overcome his father issues.
Hurely – overall is a good person. Always has a positive outlook and strong spirit. He is the current messenger of Jacob and this very fact means a lot.
Finally on a separate, but somewhat related note. FLOCKE won't make it off the island. There is a reason why both MIB and Jacob were on the island. With everything in life, there is a ying and yang, a positive side of the magnet and a negative side to balance each other out.. MIB and Jacob and simply containers of these good and evil forces. Each needs the other to maintain right balance .
I see a lot of concern about answering all the questions or tying up all of the loose ends. These are much different things that what I'm most concerned with – finishing the story. And everything so far suggests to me that is happening marvelously.
She's Dead, wrapped in plastic
Sayid better get some kind of redemption, he's my favorite Lostie guy. And yay! to Sawyer and Kate reconnecting. I was getting mighty bored with the Juliet-grieving. Time to move on, Dimples!
Anyone notice any connections between John Locke the character and the real John Locke the 17th century philosopher? Social Contract Theory!!! John Locke aka Smokey sure has a way of explaining things. He TELLS them all what to think. He only showed a moment of weakness when referring to his mother, in order to gain Kate's trust, which really wasn't weakness at all just strategy. The philosopher Locke believed in life and liberty...and the Smoke wants nothing more than to live and free himself from that island.
And Faraday... look it up!
Claire has been dead since the house at the Dharma compound blew up with her in it.
Even though someone pulled her from the house, and she was walking and talking, Miles gave her a very funny look, like he was surprised to see the "dead" Claire looking alive as if nothing happened.
Our Lost joyride is about to end, along with the other LOST fans, I will mourn and miss everything about the show
Lets just hope that ABC is not setting us up to a bad finale like "evil twins" and "bad dreams" to ruin everything.
LostFan syas, "One question... Where are all the black people?"
They all dead. You should know that in any horror movie, blacks guy die first. :)
By the way, just saw the episode on Hulu (I don't watch TV). The plot have not progressed much in an whole hour. Speed it up, folks!
to Tom – I just noticed your comment on Sideways Locke. Here's a thought to consider. In Flash Sideways, we don't know how Locke got injured. Remember he's on good enough terms with his Dad to invite him to the wedding. That wouldn't be the case if his father had pushed him out the window. He may have been in that wheelchair since birth? We don't know, do we? Any thoughts?
To LostFan – all the black people are locked in the cabinet in the submarine. :)
Issue 1 – If the bomb really went off, then the sideways characters, all born after the bomb, were never touched by Jacob, because he and MIB we destroyed in the explosion. So everyone's life was completely uneffected by the island – even Ben, who went to the island as a boy but came back with his father before the explosion. We have to go back to the point when Jacob somehow came off the island and touched the first person and move forward from there. Lives were changed when he began touching, but they never were changed if the island blew up. Therefor,e Kate went on stealing and Sawyer never got over his parents deaths, continuing to seach for the real Sawyer who killed his folks. Hugo was always lucky because he was never influenced by whatever caused him to go "nuts". Same with Jack's drinking – never started or at least kicked the habit when he saw the evil it caused his Dad.
Issue 2 – I agree with lennyg above who noticed the crazy mom comment, and tied that in with Jacob/Esau and their crazy mom Rebekah who helped Jacob steal the birhtright from his brother Esau. Total hatred between the two, caused in large part by the crazy mom.
I'm enjoying everyone's comments. Keep 'em coming!
I do think that the parallel life that they are showing is about if they decided to go with the good or the evil. Ben was told by Locke-MIB: dont hesitate to kill her because she wont, but she's good, she forgives him, so Ben choses to be good, thats why Hes a good person in the parallel life. I think its all about good vr evil, too many things: the white on jacob against the men in black, when Locke-MIB got with Sawyer to the Cave , he threw the white stones to the sea, etc. Dont know if the writers are just trying to sell that idea and then reverse it, but everything is good vrs evil, being MIB/Locke the Evil force, and always trying to seduce us offering whatever he can offer, as He said to Sayid, What if I can give you whatever you want. And to Sawyer too.
Maybe…just maybe the last episode they will focus on Hurley on a couch waking up saying….”I got to stop eating taco bell and watching Twilight Zone…the dreams are getting worse”.
I never understood why people still enjoy LOST. It used to be interesting in the start but has now developed into a series of enless puzzles. Despite the show's promise that questions will be answered there can be no rational explanation behind the bizzare events. The events run contrary to all science be it biology, physics or any other science that are taught in Universities. Please people make beeter use of your time :)
I 've watched LOST since the beginning....and one reason I keep watching is I love Sawyer. ..( I am an old lady , too ).
Loved last night's episode where we see him as a cop in LA with Miles as his partner..they're good together !! I gave up trying to understand EVERYTHING in LOST....I just enjoy the ride.
It's a great drama ..with a really good cast and I am very sorry that
this is its last season.
I want Sawyer to end up with Kate..and I want Sun to find Jin.
Who will be left to guard the island...I was thinking Hurley..but
what do I know ???
There are clues within the books they have shown during the
episodes that give answers – Haron and the Sea of Stories by
Rushdie , Desmond held this book in his hand in the first episode this season on the plane sitting next to Jack – Deep River by Shusaku Endo – The Chosen by Chaim Potok – do your homework
people these books fill in the blanks.
The writers aren't goint to spoonfeed every answer to the fans and spell it out word for word because it makes for lame and boring writing. Nothing in life or in science for that matter is ever 100% certain and I think that's how we are to understand LOST. To say we have gotten no answers this season is absurd. What did we know about Jacob, the smoke monster etc before this season? Not a whole lot. We now know that the survivors were brought to the island to replace Jacob, we know the smoke monster is the rival of Jacob, we know that the bomb detonation created a paralell universe where Jacob did not influence the survivor's lives and they are entirely different people. We know Jacob has been influencing their lives and watching them since they were children. We know the numbers are interelated with survivors themselves. NO ANSWERS??? What?!
Season 7!!!! :P
I think that the writers are Genius for their story telling. They wrote great characters with great actors to play these unsual roles. Each week I am wanting more and sit after it is over dwelling on what I and my husband just watched. It is amazing to be caught up in this wonderful "thing" and will be remember for a very long time. Last night when Sawyer became a cop I laughed out loud. There are such wonderful color in the sideways flashes that do make us talk, laugh and go what the "H... Hurley being lucky (still wish he would loss some weight) Ben teaching and not in control, etc. I also want to comment on the sped of the last night. It was good timing going back and forth and did not skip a beat. Keeping on your toes for clues. Like: Saywer checking the locks on that cabinet. Did you notice...
Who is in the locked cabinet? it had two locks.... I love this show and want more... .
@Darlene Libby was in the same place as hurley, not lockes mother
@magusap Hurley had a secret stash from the DHARMA Drops, they explain it in season 2
There are not enough episodes left to answer all the questions. The writers are still just making it up week to week and we are all going to be pissed. Case in point just a few weeks ago Sawyer lets Kate go at the airport and now he is an honest cop? Come on!
If you are hoping for an ending which makes sense then you are gullible.
I can't wait till next weeks episode! One thing im starting to see is that most people who worked for Jacob are not happy with their lives, you can also see this in the sideways storyline AND YES IT IS THE SIDEWAYS STORYLINE. Most people that post here should really watch the recaps @8Pm. Its the cliff notes for the people that have no clue what's going on.
-Richard wants to kill himself after serving Jacob for Decades and not getting any info on why things are the way they are, does that really sound like something a good person would do to another?
-Ben Kills Jacob because he feels neglected after years of service. On the island he is a power hungry killer. Without Jacob in his life Ben actually does something good with his life and isn't selfish
-Sawyer became a Con man due to Jacob's influence where if he never met Jacob or jacob didn't exist he became a cop
-Jack Would of had a child if Jacob wasn't influencing his life and would of gotten over his daddy issues with the help of his own son.
-Hurley Is lucky and successful and seems to love his life, with jacobs influence hurley feels cursed and unlucky and then is given the "gift" of seeing dead people. (Lets also remember Jacob must of also given miles the power to hear the dead)
To all those people that post
*Cry Cry* No questions are being answered *Cry Cry*
You are a moron and should stick to Two and a half men
Also the writers have said that they wont explain everything and when asked why not they mentioned star wars, when Lucas explained that the force was actually bacteria were you not a little upset?
Bonanzaair-This show will end
Louie- just stop watching lost, its too smart for you
One question... Where are all the black people?
I loved LOST when it was about a plane crash and being stranded on an island of monsters and mayhem. Now, it is just gotten a little too Star Wars, X-Files kitch. I mean really, "men in black" "men in white"? Cliche city. Then the entire "biblical" aspect of the show is almost laughable. Locke as a Christ-like figure? I little insulting. Although I am sure there are quite a number of people in Hollywood that like to portray Christian believes in cheap cliche modes. The whole idea that a psychotic parapalegic, murderous felon, daughter of a mob boss, overly obese man and a former Iraqi torturer are the "chosen" ones? Should have just stuck to monsters and mayhem. I feel I have to watch it to the end (with American Idol intermittently) just to see of there will be a payoff. I trust there will not be and I along with millions of others will have to wait for the movie that will surely "answer all remaining questions." That Show Business!
Did anyone mention that the real Locke's mother was in the mental institution with Hurley? Are the 2 Locke's crossing memories?
Here's my based-on-nothing projection for the series conclusion....everyone on Island ends up dead except for a new Jacob (which will be BEN LINUS) and new Man in Black (which will be JACK SHEPPARD). Current parallel-universe characters will all live happily ever after...with cop Sawyer helping fugitive Kate beat her murder case and then hooking up. Jack will stumble across big breasted blond Dr Atomic Bomb Exploder (I can never remember her name) somewhere in the course of performing free spinal surgery on Locke and restoring the use of his legs and they will end up together. A happy ending AND (almost) everyone dying...ALL IN ONE FINALE EPISODE!
I also thought the sideways views were what might have been if Jacob had not interfered, but then that was dashed when sideways Locke is still in a wheelchair, because the reason Locke is in a wheelchair versus being dead from the fall, is because Jacob intervened and brought him back to life. So "no Jacob = dead Locke", dead from the fall of his father pushing him out the window. That same fall is what crippled his body. No fall = no wheelchair, and combined with the above, no Jacob = no life. The wheelchair means that he did still fall, but was still revived.
thanks for the update but I am still confused because Miles did not land on the island until long after Nikki and Paulo were buried six feet under. What type of time frame are we dealing with here? He arrived what 100 – 200 days after the plance crashed along with Faraday ? He would have never know them or how they died beacause this happened long before he got there. I am going to have to go back and watch those espisodes again . That makes sense that they suffocated before they could dig themselves out.......Someone please help me out on this post and tell me how long they had been on the island before Miles arrived . I am betting his father (the one in the films) is the one locked up in the submarine also, no one has metioned they guy who got every thing started in the first place . He was too important to be blowup in the SWAN explosion...........
Whatefver happened to the gorgeous dog?
Whatefver happened to the grogeous dog?
@ DUDE – the book looked like Watership Down which coincidentally(! if you are looking for coincidences – which of course we all are!) the author dedicated to his daughters JULIET and Rosamund. (JULIET!)
If you are unfamiliar with the story, go read the wikipedia for some insight – story bears some major similaries to LOST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watership_Down
Cannot wait for next weeks episode – Richard Alpert is a man o'mystery.
Brian says, "Seeing Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach together and sawyer looking at Jack saying..... You don't know how much I want to kill you....END!!!"
I'd like it better if, instead of "kill", it's "kiss".
My vote on the ending... Seeing Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach together and Sawyer looking at Jack saying..... You don't know how much I want to kill you....then zoom to one of Jack's eyes.... or something....
First off, all the sideways flashes are what people would have done if they werent influenced by the island/Jacob. Second of all Richard Albart was a prisoner on the Black Rock, remember him being in tore cloths with long hair, and the fact that he got chocked up when he touched the chains in the haul of the ship. Also, Miles probally doesnt have his gift becuase the island isn't there, remember Hurley isn't crazy.
I agree with Can't Watch it Anymore.
This show has totally lost its appeal to the general audience. I have a FT job and kids, i really cant spend my precious free time trying to research this thing and figure it out. After all, TV is supposed to entertaining mind candy..not a PHD thesis.
And yet you found the time to read through this article and leave your comment behind. You really must have plenty of precious free time.
I was not a fan of last nights episode. I thought it seemed like one of those episodes from Season 3, where its a filler episode. Did anyone notice how far Sawyer travelled in one episode, that trip took some survivors half a season. I am very excited for the richard episode. Does anyone think we may get to see the real Locke again in the "real" time zone. Although I find Un-Locke creepy and awesome I still find it hard to believe that it was John Locke's destiny to die in a hotel room with ben pulling the strings ;). Also the end of the episode really bothered me for two reasons. The first being that I'm getting tired of all these useless character cross-overs if they aren't going anywhere. Yes we got to see Charlotte, but for ten seconds and she was a floozy (sic?). The second reason being that for the first time that I can remember I guessed the end of a LOST episode. As soon as a character got out and started to run I broke it down, hmmm hooded character, so we know who they are, seems to have a female form, narrows down possibilities, and Sawyer is chasing them.....Kate? DING DING DING DING DING. Anyway not many episodes to go lets see if Cuse and Lindelolf step it up for the final run.
Watched the first couple of espisodes dropped out for about a year; started up again;dropped out and now I am back. I remember my older sister explaining that all you had to do was watch a soap opera once every six months and you'd keep up with all the goins on. Well, I really do enjoy reading these comments. You people have great imaginations. I remember when I heard that Stephen King was run over by that van..... if he dies before the Dark Towers series is finished I'm gonna be pissed. Well, not to worry; in about 9 or ten hours we will all know whether this was a great story or great con.
I am so LOST. Cannot keep track of characters coming and going.
I am going to get LOST in my real world. Less complicated.
I don't see any byline on this recap and I understand why–it's the most shallow, least insightful review I've ever read by anyone about Lost.
"out of nowhere Claire attacks Kate"...
Really? Didn't Claire already say in plain English to Jin that if Kate was the one who took Aaron she'd kill her? Didn't she shoot her many hateful looks? Didn't she very obviously tuck a knife into her things at her hut?
I think Daniel is behind the locked door in the sub... somehow his mother (Charles' lover) and Desmond and Penny are involved... I can't wait to hear more on why Desmond was on the plane with Jack and then just disappeared!
Also, look up Richard Alpert's full name... (the real person, not the character) I wonder if the two are linked in anyway:
– Alpert received the name Ram Dass, which means "servant of God."
– In 1974, Ram Dass created the Hanuman Foundation, which developed the Prison Ashram Project, designed to help prison inmates grow spiritually during their incarceration, and the Dying Project, conceived as a spiritual support structure for conscious and dying.
Plus, he rolled with the cats Aldous Huxley and Allen Ginsberg, in research at Harvard (that was later no longer approved by Harvard)
There also seems to be parallels with the work Brave New World and LOST (speaking of Huxley) and his last work (and sequel to Brave New World) called Island.
I dunno, just a couple of thoughts!
@Logan....i can't remember exactly where, but it was in an interview. i was getting stoked before the start of this season and came across it on a random site. i agree that they've always had the OVERALL story figured out, but it was the details that were added as they went along.
I so so LOVE Lost. I started watching that Flash Forward show that was on right after LOST and in the first 2 minutes there was an Oceanic billboard in the background of a police chase. I swear....those writers are so clever. They know us Losties are always LOOKING for things...coincidences, things that match up....so UNFAIR. Now I'm hooked on the Flash Forward show too. But yeah LOST was sooooo good last night. Love reading all the crack-pot theories :)
what about the male character that the black smoke killed when he was planning to build a church on the island...any plot involvement there?
also, it's St Patty's Day...you should all be out drinking green beer!
Richard was not the captian of the Black Rock. He was a slave on that ship. In season two we discovered that the Black Rock was a slave ship, and then the new Locke/MIB, after seeing Richard, said it was nice to see him out of his chains. Then... when Richard, Jack, and Hurley all go to the ship, Richard immediately went to the chains that once held him. I think that the Black Rock was definitely the ship that Jacob and MIB saw coming to the island, and that Richard was on it... but he was not the captain.
I too am a devoted fan from the very first show. I can't see how they are going to tie this all up & answer all of our many questions !
If this all turns out to be a drream or even a bad v good thing
I am going to scream my head off !
Josh as Sawyer is the best actor in Lost. Love his skills and he just keeps getting better.
Ben is good but is too over the top. Jack is way too wimpy and emotional.
Sawyer is so believable! Helps that he is hot and women love bad boys.
I have been a fan since day 1... This season should have come with a manual... LOST, lost its appeal after they started that silly hiatus for 6-9months... This season is nothing more than a buildup to the last episode which Im starting to think is going to just be a race to the finish line...we have 8 episodes left and so far all that has happened this season is more questions... I can honsetly say that i am glad this is the last season, I am done with the show, I could not quit after all those years of watching but I aint gonna miss it either.... I am willing to bet that we are not going to see or have any questions answered up until the very last 3,2 or even 1 episode... They are going to milk this wagon all the way to the bank.... This season really lived up to its name.. LOST... Thats exactly how i feel right now about the show... And whats with the actors going off to do other shows on ABC, its just weird to see them on another show when lost is not even done yet...
P.S- Fun fact- the numbers 5, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 which are such a huge part of the show and each correlate with a "candidate" as seen a few episodes ago at the lighthouse, are numbers from the I Ching, which each stand for something different. Look up the names their correlated with on the show and what it means in I Ching and you'll gain some insight on the nature of the characters themselves and why they are paired with those numbers. It's definitely not random.
Smokey and Jacob are brothers with the same crazy mother. A Cain and Abel story.
You know what's weird to me? There's a heavy set man in lost and he is stuck in an island. Okay, if there is not a whole lot to eat don't you think he would have lost that weight already? I watched the show and after a while I frrreeeaaaakkiiinn got board... Sorry.
Are far as smokey and widmore go... Ben "released" the smoke monster that went after widmore's goons. Although it didn't kill all of them , it attacked. Widmore may want to get rid of smokey only insomuch as he wants the island for himself.
my issue related to comments that complain about us complainers is this: LOST had so much potential, and faltering. why can we say that? look at other fantastic shows that are out there doing amazing things and had wonderfully interesting, compelling conclusions and lead up.
LOST *rarely* answers a question with any certainty, the voice over guy who does the lead up to next weeks episode always says something about "blah blah finally revealed" and then it isn't.
sorry, flashbacks, flashforwards, and what, happened in the writing room, "woah, dudes, i got it, FLASH SIDEWAYS".
beyond hope. i'll still watch but barely expect anything to be answered interestingly enough to warrant the increasingly bad story lines and acting which is getting to be pure self-parody.
I think the ultimate "answer" to LOST as a whole is that universally, and physically, positive energey cannot exist without negative energy. Neither Jacob nor MIB are either all "good" or all "bad". Jacob just happens to minipulate people in a "more gentle" way than MIB. We can see references to the whole "positive can not exist without negative" throughout the entire series, for instance the black/white conversation Locke had with walt in season 1, and also Locke throwing one of the stones on the scale he and Sawyer came across into the water and saying "it's a joke." The writers are also using all sorts of historical/religious stories and aspects to back this positive/negative theory up, for instance if we are to presume that MIB is the "bad guy" or "devil", then we have to remember that the "devil" wasn't originally thought of as eveil, and was in fact an angel who was cast out of heaven, which didn't matter to him because all he wanted was to leave anyhow, much like MIB just wanting to leave the island. Yet also, MIB was portayed in a little of a Jesus light in last nights episode as well; recall the relationship between Jesus and Judas, some believe Judas betrayed Jesus, when actually it was Jesus' plan in the first place for Judas to do so. Now think about what occured between MIB and Sawyer last night...much like Jesus and Judas if you ask me. The island seems to be a sort of "pergatory" if you will, where you are given your last chance to realize who you truly are by nature. Either you accept the negative in yourself (Kate, Sayid, Claire, MIB) or you change for the positive (Jack changing from man of science to man of faith, Ben relinquishing power control both on and off the island etc.) Perhaps the "alternate timeline" or "sideways time" is what happens after you make that final decision on the island. Perhaps time loops back to the definitive moment that brought you to the island in the first place, and whichever decision you came to on the island, plays through from thereout; hence Ben relinquishing control to "save" Alex, Jack fixing his relationship with his son, Kate still running and crashing cars left and right, Sayid trying to be a good man but ultimately hurting others to protect those he cares about, and Sawyer still hunting "Sawyer" in "sideways universe." Those who accept their negativity on the island are haunted by the same negative issues in alternate timeline, while those who have chnaged for the better on the isalnd have changed for the better in alternate timeline as well. Science and religion are a lot more similar than people think as they both are simply searching for the truth, Hence the focus on both in this show. I think that in order to understand this show completely, you must have historical knowledge of all religions, and of physics and the way the universe works. I have obviously gone on way too long, so to end this I will say that if you'd like to understand this show better, research Christianity, ancient Egypt, I Ching, quantum physics, and any of the work of David Wilcock and you'll realize how everything in related, in this show and in real life.
Can I just tell you all how much I loved that the writers referenced a classic Little House on the Prairie tv episode with Michael Landon and Melissa Gilbert? Between that and the Watership Down references......Okay Watership Down wasn't far off the mark considering what they've done in past episodes with literature and pop culture references, but I NEVER expected to see an episode from Little House on LOST!
Mr. Rourke and Tattoo will be new characters who open up a resort.
Lost is basically Willie Wonka. Jacob is trying to find someone rung hte Chocolate Factory (ie Island). The man in black is that dude testing them with the everlasting gobstobber tempations, and whoever doesn't drink the chocolate lake proves themselves worthy.
Lost, 5 years, faithful, and now, you have entered totally worse than daytime soap drama.....l9
About the upcoming episode...
So, suddenly Sawyer knows how to pilot a sub. Not an passenger jet, but a sub. I picture the sub stuck in the ocean mud, not even 200 ft off shore. Good one.
Richard is no longer the most mysterious man on the island. He has no secrets left. We know why he's ageless. there's a fountain of youth in the temple. We know he was on the black rock. You take those mysteries away, and he's no longer mysterious. I guess this will be just a recap episode for those casual lost viewers of Lost who have no idea what the f–k is going on. We'll likely see all the events we already saw from Richards point of view.
Maybe the only thing of interest will be how Jacob chose Richard.
Man, this season is terrible compared to the last 5 seasons.
Paul Allen: Miles knew Nikki and Paulo had the diamonds because he used his gift to hear their last thoughts before they died. They didn't dig themselves out because they had been bitten by the spiders that paralyzed and gave the appearance of death. So by the time the effects of the bite wore off, they would have suffocated.
People: the writers have said numerous times this is NOT going to be going on in someone's head. Period. Secondly, this show is not simply some re-enactment of the Christian bible. There is a host of other mythological stories throughout the centuries that pit good against evil, and/or brother against brother (ever hear of Romulus & Remus?). So please stop trying to turn this into a story that has an some underlying Christian message at its core. Newsflash...Christianity is not the only religion in the world!
Loved this episode mostly due to the fact that James is so freaking HOT!!!
What if The Man in Black – in some sort of time switch – is Aaron, and the crazy mother he speaks about is Claire? He told Kate that he was still trying to work out issues regarding his mother. Perhaps he is working them out in real time.
I am so confused, just waiting for it to be over and then will rent the "final season" on DVD.
I love this show and I have faith the ending will be just as good as the writing has been the whole way through. I agree with others...I am already in mourning. And whatever happens...I sure hope Josh Holloway gets another regular show soon. A spin off with Sawyer and Miles would be great...and they may just be the key to everything.
Fabulous show, fabulous writing, fabulous acting and fabulous topless shots of Sawyer as often as possible. What more could you ask for?
It was, from the beginning, supposed to be just FIVE seasons, but due to the writer's strike, that season was truncated. So, in order to avoid cheating the viewer out of the full storyline, the were allowed to add on another season. The last seasons have 16 episodes, when normally they would have like 23 or 24. So it all evens out. But legend has it that the basic story line, what the island is, etc has all been known from the beginning by the writers.
I think the dog-faced statue is Locke's (smokey's) momma. I would love Hurley to be the "island keeper" but he doesn't think fast enough. He is SOOO earnest. Yeah–Sun could do it–she has that inner core of strength that I don't see in any of the others. No drama–just business AND she certainly knew how to take care of her daddy when she because one of the 6. Quiet but deadly!
Maybe dead Locke will come back to life and take over? No clue no clue
I cannot wait for the Richard episode next week. That will be the defining episode so far this season, I think, along with the most revealing.
Not only do they need a replacement for Jacob but they'll likely need a replacement for MIB. Yin yang, restoring balance and all that jazz, seems to be key here. Any of the chosen could be Jacob, some better than others, but definitely Sayed for MIB. This will be interesting.
Can it be Cain and Able? Locke and Jacob...
Oh and I forgot about the father to Claire's baby walking out on her. Seriously....writer dude....talk to your dad or get some help. There are good fathers out there. All you are showing is your anger and we all see it.
Flocke's comments about his mother bring up a possibility - Christian religion keeps coming up here but perhaps you are looking in the wrong direction. Consider older religions like the Greek and Roman gods from which newer religions sprouted. Perhaps this related back to an older story of the child of a godess acting out and being punished by being exiled to an island with a guardian. Flocke is the disobedient child and Jacob has been the guardian. The writers have stated this doesn't involve aliens or dreams, but the word mythology comes up.
Also, what if Flocke's mother is on the sub, or perhaps a machine of some sort capable of dealing with Flocke?
Sayid is definitely affected, but remember that Jacob told Hurley to take him to the Temple so he must have expected what happens.
I also don't trust that Claire is over blowing up at Kate. And it's possible Sun is the new guardian and has to send Jin back to care for their child.
Why were they ever talking about flying that giant plane out of there.... ah emmm... runway anyone?
I too am very sad the show is coming to an end. I have to say this is one of the best series ever written (we'll see how it ties up) Anyways Richard has always been one of my favorite characters, so I am SUPER EXCITED about next weeks episode. I also wanted to say
PS-To everyone hating on Lost: I dont think you can fully appreciate the storyline or the writing of the show unless you watch every episode in order from the beginning...Ive tried to explain the show to my Mum to no avail, I just told her to start at season one episode one, and go from there. Otherwise, nothing at all would make sense.
PPS- I agree a Myles and Sawyer show would be a decent spinoff
I am so LOST. I loved this show early on, and then one day I turned on the TV and it wasn't on – I had the right day and time, but the network had pulled it briefly, sent it to another time slot, something like that, I don't even remember. Point being – they 'lost' me by not keeping the show consistently on the same night and time for the whole season, and I soon 'lost' interest in trying to determine when or if it was coming back on. I was addicted, but stupid network management decisions cured me.
I hope the writers collaborate on another series since they work brilliantly together. I will be lost without LOST!
Brian, I LOVE what you said, and Kate will be the never aging Richard.
Where can I buy a smoke monster so I can send it to hunt down Osama Bin Ladin?
Oh, that's right, neither exist..... duhh?
Did anyone notice that the guy with the rifle on the other island is also the young boy from KATE & ALLIE? I wish they both had cameos....now that would be funny!
I watched through season 4 but they just completely lost me. Come on people everyone is attached to everyone else? They kinda "Lost" me when they went back to the states. There are so many conflictions and muddy writing it makes no sense. Very poor writing.
And what's with all the Daddy issues? Did the writer have a bad father? Have any of you noticed that all dads are bad in this show? Sun's masterminded a criminal network, Locke's own father tried to kill him, Sawyers father killed his mother, Jack's was a drunk who cheated on his wife and abandoned a daughter in Australia, Hurley's left him and and only came back when he won the lottery. Ben watched his daughter get executed. Michael is a murderer.
This writer SERIOUSLY need therapy.
So if MIB (new Locke) is smokey, who was smokey when the first Locke was still alive ???
You are incorrect... The 'side timeline' is what happen when Jacob didn't interfer with their lives. Jack has a KID in the other timeline. There's plenty events that have taken place before the flight even took off with the new timeline.
YAWN. Are you kidding me? Smoky comes from a bad childhood with crazy parents??!! How overdone is that?
If you don't have a creative reason why someone is a villian, then the bad childhood storyline is always a "go-to".
YAWN. YAWN. YAWN. I give this whole episode a YAWN.
...you're all right, there are too many questions to be answered before it all wraps up but there's a logic to the madness. This show has garnered too many followers and has made ABC and friends too rich. JJ Abrams is a businessman as much as a showman and when you discover a mine full of precious gems, you just keep on mining. Well guess what folks!! Get ready for "The Island", the new series that will keep you hooked and on guessing for many more moons. As Locke (dead or otherwise) would most likely be thinking in the final episode, "I changed my mind, nobody is getting off this island".
What about Rose and her husband. They are just chillin somewhere on the island without a care. Must be nice!
Who are the 6 candidates that are left? I was trying to make the list but I just couldnt think of all the possible names. I love this show. I am really excited to see Richards Story!!
@Brian I love your theory!!
(I can see the ending now. Seeing Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach together and sawyer looking at Jack saying..... You don't know how much I want to kill you....END!!!)
Wouldn't it be awesome that locke/not locke leaves the island
goes back to our world,
the season ends:
December 12, 2012!
To HurleyRules – I agree. I love the confusion and not knowing and guessing. I don't like neat little packages either. It feels more like real life, never knowing, always wondering. Wish I knew you.
Lost had it's up and downs. It started off great with building tension, answering questions and at the same time raising two new ones. Now, it turned more into the third part of the Matrix. You have to watch it just just because you need to see the end. You know what I mean: it's in the middle of the night, you start a movie that seems to be ok, and then gets worse and worse, but you are invested. When it ends you are upset that you started the movie in the first place.
That's what Lost is at this point 80+ hours wasted, waiting for it to end.
Are they ever going to show what exactly Claire was doing between season 4-present?
Because of Smokey's likeness to Locke, isn't he the Lockeness monster? Sawyer just keeps getting better.
From the beginning it has been good/evil, black/white, faith/science. I have heard that the numbers were the key and then that was dismissed. Then it was the good/evil thing. If you will remember Locke threw the white stone out to sea when he showed Sawyer the cave and then the balance was changed. There were also rumors that this is Hurley's physicotic dream.
I made myself crazy in Season 1 trying to figure it all out. Now I am just going to sit back and let it happen.
The numbers are still there 8, 15, 16, 23, 42.
I just hope Sawyer will be seen in something else–perhaps a movie or another tv show. Don't care what it is: I WILL BE WATCHING.
I think that Nikki and Paolo were somehow secretly taken off the island and sent to Widmore, who now has them stowed in that locked
cabinet. When he gets to the main island, he will immerse them in the magic pool at the temple and bring them back to life where they will then reign as the king and queen of the island. You all seem to have dismissed the Nikki and Paolo storyline as being irrelevant, when in fact, it's the big surprise in the finale.
Lost sucks and why is CNN reporting this?
My AHAA moment was finding out Sawyer was a cop detective in the sideways or before Jacob touched us scenario. Shock but happily so because altho a scoundrel, we all still love Sawyer and want him to be good and be happy.
Questions answered – I was satisfied with finding out that Richard was immortal because Jacob gave him the 'gift'. Now why Richard is the next question and his coming to the island and Jacob.
I am not so sure Jacob is good and MIB is bad either. THe writers are not making it that simple black and white (teeheeehee). So whatever we are being lead to believe may be the opposite. We just have to remain faithful and watch to the end. Undoubtedly many fans will never be satisfied. But what a great ride!
that statue was the Egyptian fertility goddess.
It being destroyed is why babies couldn't be conceived on the island. I think it was just for a quick answer to that question. But if someone has a better explanation I'm all ears.
Reading the comments I love how people are saying that Lost is answering questions and then proceed to speculate on what the answers will be. Meaning? NO QUESTIONS ARE BEING ANSWERED. Duh. If questions are being answered we would be commenting on the answers. Not speculating on what's going to happen.
i'm thinking that this is a greek play where the gods are working out there issues amongst the humans. man in black said that he had a crazy mother a long time ago. could his mother be demeter (zeus's sister) the goddess of fertility?
WHY THE HELL IS THIS FRONT PAGE MATERIAL FOR CNN.COM???
why do people think we are adding characters? That Zoe chick is just filler and Widmore has been around for A LONG time. The only added characters we thought might matter were Duggan and his nerdy side kick and they are dead now.
I wonder who the MIB's crazy mother is.
I think that Sawyer is going to get screwed. If people remember back to when Richard tells Jack that he was given a "gift" when he was touched by Jacob and then says that it wasn't a gift at all. This will happen to Sawyer. He keeps bringing up his deal with MIB as "Get me off this island". But, seeing how this could be read as a "gift", it wouldn't suprise me to have Sawyer stranded on the island with the Hydra station. MIB would then state that he got Sawyer off of "that" island but that Sawyer never specifically stated he wanted to get back to the real world. Everything here has come with a hitch.
I'm so confused.......................
I bet that alternative-Miles isn't psychic... he probubly only gained those abilities during the 'incident' which probubly didn't happen in the alternative...
I think one of the most enduring enigmas emerging ever-so emphatically this season is why? Why are people so dissatisfied with the answers and the pace of the answers they're getting?
I think a lot of the biggest questions have actually already been answered, during the course of this season and last. We know why dead people show up on the island. We know where the mysterious noises and of course what the smoke monster is. We have a reasonably complete understanding of what/who Dharma was, and role they played (surprisingly ancillary actually). We understand why how most of these characters' lives are intertwined. We even now understand the significance of the numbers.
Granted there are a number of major answers to be had, but there is actually plenty of time to answer most of the questions I at least have left. As for the intro of new characters, yes, but that's not really a big deal. They are being introduced as a way to flesh out the central answers and then they are either dispatched or simply inconsequential. (Like Lennon and the Temple leader/people, for example.) Your real issue is if they start introducing brand new branches of story line, not new characters, but so far, everything new introduced is being used to answer central questions, and then wrapping up pretty neatly.
That said, I would like to know what you out there think are the biggest questions you fear won't be answered, and what if any new story lines have been introduced that you think will simply be left hanging... I've watched the entire series, but every time I read these blogs, there's something raised I didn't think of...
There are definately way more questions than answers being provided right now which is kind of frustrating. I am still confused about the "smoke monster". How did the man in black become the smoke monster?? and i'm pretty sure that Ben was controlling the smoke monster at some point when he called it to kill Keamy and gang after they killed his daughter........so why can't he control smokey anymore??
@ Drake. Ok. I checked ABC's website and they have 15 main characters. Now add in the subsequent supporting characters with major arching story lines and the total count goes way over 20 characters. Get your facts straight buddy. The problem is there are too many characters to logically follow without the story becoming goofy.
I, like a lot of you, have been watching LOST since the first episode. All along I have been speculating, guessing, and trying to figure out how it's all going to end. Driving myself nuts. But the past 2 or 3 weeks, I think the writers and creators have really been trying to bring home their point (but definitely doing it in a very different way then we have ever seen before in a series) and will probably continue to do so. This show, while Hollywoodified, imitates life. Throughout life, we all have choices to make, if we make what are deemed the correct or right choices, we FIND ourselves. If we make incorrect or wrong choices, we end up being LOST. We are finally starting to see all of these characters do a lot of soul searching and realize that some of the choices they made caused them to become LOST while traveling this great journey we call LIFE. And now they are getting ready to come before their higher power, whoever or whatever that maybe, on Judgement Day.
@Louie: There has been no hint that the lives of those touched by Jacob were the same before the flight, and only were different after. Consider Jack having a son.
We already know he was the captain of the ship we saw when Jacob was talking to the man in black.
I believe Non-Locke asked Richard how he felt to "not be in those chains"
I think richard was not the captain but a slave.
I think Aaron is behind the locked door
I think Locke's story about his mother will be central to this story. I also wouldn't be surprised if he were Aaron .... but Lost is one of the few shows that has completely left me in the dark and completely ... well .... "Lost." I told my husband that this is either going to be so freakin awesome or a complete waste of my time ... I just going along for the ride to see where it takes me.
I am now wondering if MIB's "crazy-like-claire" mother...is the French woman we met in the early years?
Seriously folks, I'm so surprised how many of you haven't figured out about the Flash Sideways.... And some of these posts are funny, with some of you like Louie who for some reason almost but doesn't get it at all.
Oops... in my earlier post, the other island is Hydra Island, not New Otherton. My mistake.
Sun was in a "Flash Sideways" She was with Jin when he was stopped by the police.
You know those weekly rerun episodes that precede the new episodes, the ones that have the text pop-ups that tell what’s happening… usually “this is the first time Kate has seen Claire since season …” not really informative and usually predictable, but I thought they were just there to catch up people who missed things…
… well to my surprise, I just *unfortunately only recently* discovered that they actually tell you things about what’s going on that you wouldn’t otherwise know from just watching the show. They actually tell viewers what’s going on! As an example, when the guy stops trying to kill Sayid when the baseball falls, it says, “he is reminded that if he continues, he will tip his own scale from good to evil”. Well, that tells us he’s a good guy, and then subsequently, who’s a bad guy.
There are lots of things like that in those texts that I did not know were “new information” being shared. So if you were like me thinking its just rehashing, be on notice, if you’re not watching those, you’re missing information.
The insane part of that is that they’re making viewers watch and rewatch episodes, getting 2 hours of programming for each episode just to know what’s going on. What a racket.
I have to say I have loved this show from Day 1 !!
With that being said....it drives me crazy trying to keep track of real time and all the flashes. I believe in the end we will see Jack and James (Sawyer) sitting on the beach together. Of course it could also end like another ABC show Life on Mars and they could all wake up on a space ship!
Hurley is the chosen one. He will replace Jacob because he is the only one who can still talk to Jacob. Jacob even mentioned to Hurley that seeing dead people is a gift that will be very special one day.
Louie March 17th, 2010 11:13 am ET
Uh, does anyone else see a problem with Sawyer magically becoming a cop in the "flash sideways"? In all of the other characters' alternate universe lives, their fates change only AFTER the Oceanic flight. Their histories prior to the flight were the same as they were in the "real" universe (i.e., their island selves). If Sawyer was a cop–and partnered with Miles (!)–prior to the Oceanic flight, this causes all sorts of continuity problems. Major flaw, if you ask me.
You could not be more wrong.
Sawyer's isn't the only storyling that shows changes from before the crash. Jack has a son. Do you think Jack's sideways story is taking place 15 years in the future? Doubt it! So, Jack's son is also different from his life prior to the crash. Ben is teaching at a school. Ben got off the island when he was younger is the sideways story. That is also different from the story prior to the crash. The Asian gentleman who was protecting the temple was in the same city as Jack, as his son and Jack's son were at the same school. Nadia was not married to Sayid, but was married to Sayid's brother.
Many things were different from the pre-crash storyline.
See, the problem is, you are thinking of this as life pre and post plane crash. Big mistake. You have to be thinking of this as life pre and post Juliet destroying the tower at the end of last season. That happened in 1977. THAT is the year from which all actions changed in the alternate timeline.
"Seeing Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach together and sawyer looking at Jack saying..... You don't know how much I want to kill you....END!!!" – Brian
That ending seems so obvious that most people are probably ignoring it giving the history of the show. Wouldn't that be something?
@Everyone who thinks Locke knew what Sawyer would see on "New Otherton": Have we seen the smoke-thing on the other island? I re-watched the first five seasons not that long ago and I don't remember it ever being on the other island. If it can't leave the island to visit other places like Jacob, then how could it have gone to "New Otherton"?
Hell yea we want to know whats up with the statue, also the significance of the numbers, but more than anything, we really want to know how far Sawyer got with Kate while they were locked up together!!
Ok as to Kate and Sawyer/James. Last year they did an episode where 2 children where in a store. The little girl had a lunchbox and they where caught stealing. That was Kate and Sawyer. So as to him not taking her in to custody they are or were friends. Last night when he stopped Kate he looked at her as if knew her and not just from the flight.
I don't know if anyone else has said this, but the most laughable part of the show was when Kate said, "You know how to fly a plane?" And Sawyer answered, "I'm not gonna steal the plane, we're taking the submarine!" As if he has any idea how to pilot a submarine any better! HA!
Okay, here's what's going to happen.
Sawyer and the crew will go to the 'Otherton Island' where we meet the real brains behind the whole 'lost island' thing.
Turns out there's this group of people from this boat called the Minnow, run by as drugged out cabin boy by the name of Gilligan (and his evil smoke-henchman 'The Skipper').
There's this brainy professor who devised this whole time-travelling scheme (in the late 60's) in order to help a strange Millionaire (I'm thinkin' it's Mr. Magoo) to get the diamonds that Niles has (zaniness then ensues).
In the meantime there's this crazy-lady by the name of Mary-Ann who had a child (by the Professor) and taken to L.A. by boat-passenger Ginger. In L.A. they meet another Crazy Lady (Mrs. Magoo) and try to get back to the island (this fails miserably 'cause Gingers implants explode during the 'bright light process'... very messy).
So, in the end, Gilligan (with Smoke-Henchman's help) kills everyone except the Minnow passengers, gets on the sub and makes it back to the mainland. Series over.
You can stop watching now.
The lives of the people on the original Oceanic flight (as well as others that were/are on the island) were changed not from the point of the plane not crashing, but from the point of when the nuclear/hydrogen bomb exploded on the island in the 1970's. There were other major changes like Locke still being together (and not engaged) with the Katie Segal character. Jack Sheppard now has a kid in the parallel time-line, which he did not have in the original/real time-line. The love of Said's life is married to his brother in the alternate time-line, when this was not the case in the original/real time-line. There might be other examples I am missing. So the fact that Sawyer is a cop/detective in this alternate time-line is not a big error to the way things are playing out.
I have been a huge fan since the first episode of season 1 and am loving every second. I also don't want too many questions left, but am looking forward to each new episode.
Perhaps it's Faraday that is locked up in the submarine?
Many people have asked, why are the flash sideways time lines so different, if the only thing that changed was there was no plane crash.
You are forgetting that the plane crash was not where the timeline first shifted. The timeline shifted when Jack blew up the Island in 1977. Things have been different in their lives for a very long time, because the island was destroyed and Jacob did not need to intervene in their lives.
I live in the valley (Kaaawa Valley) where they film Lost, but I have never seen the show except for a few times when I was flipping through channels I stopped because it's cool to see the mountains I recognize. To me it comes off as a stupid show.
They kind of blew it by not having music of the caliber they had on Hawaii 5-0.
Without the music, Hawaii 5-0 wouldn't have been 1/2 as good as it was. I don't know why they don't get that.
I agree. The writers have been answering some of the old, lingering questions while at the same time adding on more new ones. I think the producers introduced the flash sideways in order to set up a possiblity of a spin-off or spin-offs. Last night's Miles and Sawyer flashes felt like a detective show. In fact, if they wanted to they could roll out a whole new 'Lost' with the same characters but without the island. This way they can even bring back all of the dead characters!
I think Sawyer is the perfect 'candidate' for the island. He seems to be neither Good or Evil, but rather a good mix of both. He doesn't care to pick a side and seems to just go his own way. He has now been on both sides, the stranded and with the others. He was always a good mediator between the others and Richard. He was also one of the first, if not THE first, to recognize that Locke wasn't really Locke within the first minute of meeting him. We also have seen how well Sawyer manages/leads people in general.
So I believe Sawyer, right now at least, represents a good balance of Good and Evil. He is not in between Good and Evil, and he is not without Good and Evil, but he is a perfect mix of both. I think he could replace Smokey/Flocke/MIB and Jacob all in one. This is assuming, of course, that it even matters that some type of balance of Good and Evil must exist on/manage the island anyway.
WARNING!! Do not read if you want to be surprised about the show!
If you read the book "The Magus" which was listed on the metal door that slammed shut on Locke, you can have most of your questions answered. All but one or a few on the island are actors, or in other words, are playing along trying to see how the one or few will respond to certain happenings on the island. It is a group that have over time done this to countless people including the ones on the pirate ship and whoever else they could con into coming to the island. It will end up that they have some type of anti-God cult. All of the flashbacks have been moments in time with the same actors playing with the intended victim. Most of the actors don't like doing this to people but have no choice. There may be other things added to this idea but it should be pretty close to what is happening.
I have enjoyed the show since the beginning and even more since I read the book.
@Brian... wow... I think your idea is likely. That would be kind of a great ending.
Just me: You may be on to something but the story of Jacob and Esu isn't about God hating one or the other...that is Cain and Able. God was disappointed in Cain but He didn't hate him. The story of Jacob and Esu is about Jacob stealing Esu's blessing from his father. Jacob tricked his dad, with the help of his mother, and dressed like Esu. Abraham was old and couldn't see very well so thought Jacob was Esau. Anyway to make a long story short. Esu finds out about Jacob's betrayal and vows to kill Jacob. Since we don't know MIB's name...maybe it is a similar story and MIB's name is Esu.
Also, like most of you, I am very, very excited about next week's episode. Last week, when Richard wanted Jack to kill him...I was thinking: not so fast buddy, you got some splaining to do as to who the heck are you !!??!!!
I jumped for joy that it was a Sawyer ep! I'm thinking Josh Holloway's wife is a very lucky lady. Also waiting for Desmond to show up. One hot Scot! I can't help thinking that we're not done with Ben Linus, especially now that Charles Widmore is back on scene. Ben vowed last season to kill Pen, as Widmore had Alex killed. Has Ben really let go of that so meekly? I think there's still unfinished business there. Also, wanted to point out that I agree, "sideways stories are not previous lives but alternate lives with differences, ie. Ben being a teacher. But it's like they have some vague awareness of their island lives, ie: Ben teaching about Napolean's true motivations (his own impotence/power issues)., Jack 'knowing" bruthuh Desmond on the plane, etc. Also, great comment about Sawyer and Jack left alone on the island; "Do you know how much I want to kill you", LOL!!
I just hope they explain the significance of the numbers. Maybe they represent the place in Jacob's list of the final six canditates to take over the island. If they don't explain that, I will be aaaaaaangry.
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Here is my take on the whole Flash Sideways. The flash sideways is showing how everyone's lives are now due to the hatch being blown up back in the 70's. Remember when Miles listened to Juliet's last thoughts and he found that she said "It worked". The plane didn't crash, so it did work since there was no "hatch". Perhaps, by bombing the future hatch there was no need for Jacob to go out and "touch" everyone. But, I'm still confused on why everyone was all of a sudden zapped into the current day after the future hatch was blown up.
Jim T – go on Entertainment Weekly's website. They have a special area for just LOST and you can comment on the articles and the show and respond to other people's comments. Plus Doc Jensen (one of the writers for EW) writes great articles before each episode airs and after each episode airs. Enjoy!!
How come Widmore found the island so easy? Wasn't it supposed to be hard to find the damn thing? Just look at wht the Oceanic 8 had to go through to get back!!!
This feels all messed up to me.
I agree with what many other have already stated, by the end of the show there will still be a ton of questions left unanswered.
I think Smokey's mention of his own mother being crazy was a bit of foreshadowing for a later reveal, but then aagain he might just have been blowing smoke up Kate's ass.
The Richard episode should answer a few questions.
Does anyone else still want to know what the statue was?
Richard-centric episode...Yes I want to see that. I've followed LOST, never missing an episode. I'm not a Lostie but I enjoy mysteries and time travel. The acting is triumphant in this last season.
There better be a great end to this series because I'd hate to think this is all in Hurley's mind.
I'm rooting for Sawyer to be the "chosen" one. Last night's episode was brilliant. How Sawyer is playing both sides because he just wants off the island. I'd follow him anywhere! Don't know what I'm gonna do when this show ends. It's absolutely brilliant!
Yeah, they can kill of the island Kate – the stateside Kate is always much hotter.
My opinion. Walt is behind the locked door on the sub. Locke (MIB) stated to Kate the his mother was crazy too – I think MIB is Aaron from another timeline and that's why Claire was suppose to raise him. Still think Walt will be the one to protect the island's future.
Sawyer didnt arrest Kate at the airport because he wasnt supposed to BE at the airport; same reason he lied to Miles. As is obvious, Sawyer only cares about his own agenda with or without a badge.
I'm looking forward to the Richard episode. I thought he had been on the island longer but it's obvious he only arrived in the 1800's as a slave on the Black Rock, which was the ship Jacob led to the island as seen in The Incident. I dont understand his sudden hatred of Jacob. Jacob died, it's not as if he 'lied' to Richard. Jacob did/does have a plan, and Richard is likely still a part of it. Why else would he and Jack be unable to kill themselves, even with Jacob gone?
I'm waiting to understand what the nature of the contest between Jacob and Smokey is, although decent theories abound.
Could it be that "Man in Black"'s mommy issues have led to the reason why pregnancies do not go to full-term on the island?
I started watching this series during the third season, had the box sets to catch up. I love it! There has rarely been a show that has been so enjoyable to simply ruminate over. To imagine fantastic and creative storylines for our favorite characters who are so wonderfully complex, that similar to a "real" person, they defy simple definitions. This is entertainment in it's best form because the show is not over when the hour is done. It continues in our minds as we struggle to solve dilemas poised by the writers, predict possible endings and identify common threads or all-encompassing themes of the show. I do not find additions and twists to be frustrating or disheartening, but rather an added challenge and flavor to the story. I am excited to see what will come next and to set my cognitive powers to determining my own divination to the ultimate Lost ending. Happy viewing!
"This whole story is nothing more than good vs evil in the mind of a insane person. The story will end with someone in an insane assuylum and all the characters are just people that come in contact with that person on a daily basis.....It could be Lock or Hurley....."
bikerguy.....I think you may have something there! Locke talked about his 'insane mother' on last night's episode and being in an asylum. Wouldn't that explain the craziness of LOST? lol...too simple!
Seriously, how does anyone follow this story line? I lost track 3 seasons ago and gave up.
Eloise Hawking is MIB's mother?
I think the writers are reading the comments here and on other boards to get ideas for the ending.
Here is the end, Jack the new Jacob/Sawyer the new MIB, sitting on the beach and Sawyer tells Jack all he wants to do is kill him. But of course he can't. And cycle will start all over again.
Jack wants nothing else but to be on the island and Sawyer wants nothing more then get off the island. I really don't believe the good/evil stuff anymore because both Jacob and the MIB have done things that could be considered good and evil.
I would think that Jack is the front-runner if anyone is chisen to be the next Jacob. Jacob and Dogen were clearly giving him little life lessons on what it takes to be a leader. Then there are his tattoos, which I have have to assume mean something since there was a WHOLE episode that explained them. On top of that his messed up looking beard in the Flash Forwards looked a lot like the one the "Jacob" had in the cabin when John saw him for the first time (also, later mentioned by Hurley at Santa Rosa, "You'd look weird with a beard, dude".)
Still waiting for Desmond to come riding in on "Our Mutual Friend" and save the day.
I loved last week's & last night's episode...I def think that this sideways timelife is the way things should be w/out the influence of Jacob (him being dead now supposedly) and it seems as thou everyone other the Jin and Kate are doing a heck lot better...which leads me to believe that Jacob is nooooo good! I'm sure there is much more to it, but I even feel bad for MIB & richard...who now sees this "gift" as a curse! I really can't wait for his story next week...finally!!!! Lost is just the best!!!!
Responding to the comment from Justme: in an earlier season, in one of the Dharma films, there were the usual "breaks" or "skips", and in one of those I saw a brief flash of a picture of a building. I was watching the DVD, so I backed up and then forwarded in brief spurts. There was the picture of the building, with no identifying marks. But there was also some text: "God loves you as He loved Jacob." A subliminal message. I don't have time to find and re-watch all the Dharma films, but I wonder what else might be hidden in them.
And yes there is a verse in the Bible saying "God loved Jacob but hated Esau".
Finally, my theory on "Adam and Eve": Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan. They disappeard on a plane over the Pacific Ocean... and there was plane debris in the cave with them.
After watching last nights episode (3.17.10) I'm "LOSTER!"
No, Rose and Bernard are "the one". They're the only ones who did everything out of love for each other. They're the only ones who can keep the balance between dark and light.
OK, My ending theroy is that the Island will sink (Like in the 1st episode this season when it was shown under water). not sure how yet, but it looks like it will........ The show will end like the "LOST city of Atlantis... All a big mystery to everyone.........
I'm just disappointed with this season. The flash-sideways are just a distraction. No real answers to anything yet. And making faves turn to the dark side is disheartening. If it turns out that the flash-sideways are now reality and the whole Island mess never happened I will kick myself for having invested years in this show.
Does any one know how Miles knew the two people that were smuggling diamonds were buried alive? ( I can't remember thier names) He was not on the island when that occured when they were bitten by the spider!!! Was this a error in the scrpit by the writers or did he" talk:" to them after wards? And also why did not dig themselves out? Someone help me on this one.....
It's boardgame of the gods. They keep going around the island like a boardgame. And the numbers are rolls a a gigantic dice, and only they know "the rules".
I am hoping the writers will connect it to Flash Forward – maybe one of the test runs of the machine that can wipe out everyone conscious is what really brought down flight 815. Richard's story will be an interesting one. Why he was chosen for immortality is probably one of the top questions for this epidsode. I will miss LOST when it goes, but I am looking forward to an unexpectingly brilliant ending...not some bogus one....Us fans who been there in front of the screen since epidsode 1 deserve one; anything less is would be considered like the writers/creators flipped us the bird.
This goes out to all you pitiful whiners who complain about the yet-to-be answered questions and the writers making you wait...blah, blah, blah. Shut up and go watch Idol and get your instant gratification and leave the thinking to us smart people!!!!
One of the best attributes of this show is the mystery and cliff-hanger mentality of the writing. You dolts want to be spoon fed the answers without giving thought to the questions or the possible directions the story can take. These things challenge your 87 IQ almost as much as reading a whole book.
Still love the show – but way too many sub-plots. Alternative reality takes away from the show. We're going to be left with WAY to many unexplained things when this series ends.
I guess we'll sloooowly learn about them in the next series: when Jack become the new Jacob, Sawyer becomes the new Smoke Monster, and Richard still keeps popping up, yet preferring to remain a non-leader.
DOGMA, 2 fallen angels from heaven sent back to Earth for eternity. There is a loop hole out there and Locke seems to have figured it out.
Seems like a lot of coincidences between the concept of this in the movie dogma and Lost....
I think Walt & Vincent will be the next rulers of the island.
I am too, lost.... with the story; but, I sure hope the ending of the series lives up to all the hype that it has created. If the writers of the show are able to pull it off it will be a great accomplishment, if not a lot of us viewers will be greatly disappointed.
For some reasons, I found last night's episode on Sawyer a bit flat compares to the previous ones in the final season. It still not really answer a whole lot of questions and not building much of tension neither. It just builds more on top of unanswered questions by bringing in Charles Widmore. But, I am excited when I saw the commercial about uncovering the mystery of Richard. I hope they will answer a lot more questions in that episode.
The smoke monster needs to kill Kate. I'm sick of her and the fact that she can do everything, beat up everyone and always escape. It's time for her to get it.
I think Sawyer is "The Chosen One". Mainly because, during last week's episode with Ben, Ben was looking through Sawyer's tent ("It's amazing what people read on planes") and there was a book there that looked like it was titled, "The Chosen One", or at least "The Chosen".... With all the talk of Sawyer getting off the island, he's not getting off
Go back and read comments by Utsab – seems like a good guess to me!
Another fantastic episode from the most spectacular television series ever created. – I'll say it again with all of the mindless drivel that is on television these days it is nice to see a show that chalenges its audience with fantastic complexities. I still can't believe that this show is on network TV.
My only complaint this season: WHERE IS DESMOND?
wow is all I can say I hear from my friends that watch and also comments on this and other sites that people are unhappy with the fact that there are more questions than answers.
Things are being answered subtly and I think as the series closes in, everything will tie together. Not 100% but it will. I don't think it is at all possible to answer every question and i don't think other shows do either!
I am looking foward to next weeks episode which sounds like we will get some insight into what exactly the island is, how it can move through time and where jacob and MIB originated from. Intense!!!!
oh and i can't wait for the flash sideways cop Saywer to meet the real Sawyer who happens to be John Lockes father!!!!! "ive been waiting for them to connect and see what happens
The Chosen(found this week in sawyers stash) + Watership Down(seen with sawyer in both times lines) suggest to me Sawyer is the one. The Chosen was a book about a Jewish child who is raised by his father to become a leader amoung his people and how he grew into that role. Watership Down is about a young rabbit who becomes a great leader of rabbits. Both parrallel how Sawyers has grown into a leader.
Also this will free up the writers to make Jack and Kate into the couple they seem so desperate to make them. Personally I dont get it, Jack and Julliet I think made a better couple and Sawyer + Kate made a better couple. But the writers seem determined to make Jack and Kate the couple.
I think that Sawyer letting Kate go in the airport reinforces the fact that Sawyer was never meant to be a cop. Sawyer explained himself that he started looking for Anthony Cooper as soon as he got out of the academy. I think this was suppose to elude to the fact that Sawyer only joined the police force to have access to the resources to find Sawyer. Sawyer is not cut out to be a cop, he carries too much of a burden to have an unbiased view.
There were also many indications throughout the past episodes that Lost could have something to do with good and evil but not necessarily heaven and hell. For example, the name on the side of Ben's van that he drove around while in the real world could be unscrambled to say reincarnation. Also, Charlotte makes the reference to "This Place is Hell". Thirdly, the writer of the book The Good Twin's name was Gary Troup, which is an anagram for Purgatory. There are many more reference which point in this direction. I guess we will wait and see what flushes out in the end.
If you noticed the book on the side table of Sawyer's bed it was Watership Downs. The book was there the first season as well. It has something to do with the story line or Sawyer's view of the Island?
Did anyone catch the code word Sawyer gave at the beginning? "LaFleur"! Also, did anyone get a good look at the book on Sawyer's dresser? Looked like it had a rabbit on it, but I couldn't really tell. Just curious if it's a subtle clue. Great show!
btw, did anyone else notice the symbolism of the locked door on the sub? Two locks.. Two Lockes..
I'm starting to think Jacob might be the evil one here. Locke, Kate, Charlie, Sayid, Jack, Ben, Sun, Hurley and Sawyer had miserable lives before the plane crashed as Jacob somehow made them crash there. Not only that, meetings with Jacob somehow changed thier lives and not in a good way (Sawyer the con-man before and Ford the cop after; Ben Linus the killer, liar ect before and Dr. Ben Linus, teacher and good guy). All of them (save Sayid and Kate) live pretty much happy lives in the side flashes. OK, Charlie got arrested on the plane but at least he's not dead! This makes me think Jacob is the evil one. He is using these people for his own purpose (finding a replacement for himself on the island??) while Smokey just wants to leave the island (so he says).
I don't know wehre people are coming off saying they aren't answering questions. Are you not watching? I do think that Claire went all weepy and apologetic way to quickly so there is obviously something going on there.
Louie- Not everyone had there fate changed after the flight.
I am very excited for next week's RICHARD episode
And everyone who is saying that Sawyer would of taken Kate into custody at the airport because he was a detective.....do you really think all cops are squeaky clean? If he plans on killing someone I am pretty sure letting someone in handcuffs go does not go against his morals
just a nagging thought...Richard Alpert was the original name of the guy who became baba ram dos who wrote a powerful book in the late 60's called..be here now...the whole deal seems like flights of fancy and thedaydreaming we do, loosely based on some reality and suddenly we wake up and realize we have been daydreaming...question though is...who is dreaming and where/is now
@Louie: This is not a "flash sideways," rather it's a "if jacob never entered their lives" flash. The Sawyer-Miles as partners thing happened before the plane crash, but it's not a flaw if you also consider that Jack had a son before the crash as well.
First of all I need to know of a chat room or something that I can partake in during the episodes. I can ask questions in real time that way.
Second I don't feel there is any way they will or want to wrap up all the story lines. When I see the commercial for V the lizard chick always says "I hope you are enjoying the last TELEVISED season of Lost..."
You know they are not going to answer everything because they want to make movies.
That being said can we just cut all the flash sideways stuff? It takes time away from the real story on the island.
ALso has anyone seen Donny Darko? This reminds me of that film with all the time travel and tangent universe stuff. Lock is the manipulated dead that has to get Jack to send back the metal (plane into the correct timeline so that the TU doesn't keep repeating itself. Like on DD.
Lastly, will we ever get the answer to why Dead Locke has beotch teets?
LOL @ Chase!
I can't wait to see Richard's story as well. I think Widmore is able to kill the Black Smoke, and Richard is really the key to the whole fiasco. He is unable to age, whereas Jacob and the Smoke are only able to take human form through others. How can Jacob give Richard eternal life, when he himself has been "killed"? And who is really the good guy? The Smoke? Jacob? Widmore? And what's up with the extremely weak Doc? His role has been worthless this season. And who is this gun toting amazon chick? And did anyone notice all the lost characters are now on the show Flash Forward?
I agree with Can't Watch it Anymore.
This show has totally lost its appeal to the general audience. I have a FT job and kids, i really cant spend my precious free time trying to research this thing and figure it out. After all, TV is supposed to entertaining mind candy..not a PHD thesis.
@ Louie, I don't see Sawyer becoming a cop in 2004B as being a problem. So far none of the survivors lives have magically changed after the flight, they have all been clearly different for a while. Jack had a 10 y/o son, I'm sure he's existed for a while in 2004B, similar to Sawyer's law enforcement career. The same can be said for Nadia's children, Ben's career, John's seemingly different relationship with his dad, and the fact tha Jin and Sun apparently never married. (I winder why no onw has talked about that, see LA X for the evidence).
I for one was hoping that Geronimo Jackson meant something. Since characters of the four cast members who posed for the album cover all seemed to vist Hurley in Santa Rosa.
I wonder if Locke (man in black/smokey) is Aaron in some kind of time warp?
I think Jack will take the place the Jacob, and Sawyer the place of Smokey. Those two fighting has been a subplot through the whole series. Perfect for just them to end up together on the island forever, hating each other.
I have a theory that Esau and Jacob are both Aaron. One from the sideways time line and one from the original time line. Both traveled back in time to before anyone was on the island. They now battle each other for control of the island, and they are a good match because they are the same person essentially, just different intentions because of their different upbringings.
-I do think that desmond will be aboard the submarine.
-Anyone else wondering whether this is Widmore from the sideways time line or original one?
-when is faraday going to come back into play? Also micheal, walt, eko? your thoughts?
The MIB is Daniel Faraday.. Dispute it all you want right now, but in 9 weeks, you'll all understand what I already know. Do any of you really think his purpose was to....... die? Come now.. Time has more than one axis..
To Chase...your comment made me genuinely laugh out loud. kudos!
I've watched this from beginning and will to the end. It is the characters and the actors who are the bright moments–fantastic acting-and they bring the show to life.
As for the story line, it is captivating but I just HOPE that the writers will ANSWER most of the inigmas and have a final show documenting what exactly was happening and link them with (at this point) ANY explanation!!
I'm so excited to hear about richard's story!! it's been a long time coming!
I'm not sure if Widmore is working against smokey...wasn't the reason that he was dismissed from being an "other" because he was working against jacob?
sayid is scaring me a bit...i hate that he is so emotionless right now...why wouldn't he help kate when claire tried killing her?
I loved sawyer's flash sideway! I'm hoping that he does run into juliett sometime though! can't wait to see what happens next. I can't believe it's all going to be over soon!!!
I certainly love this series. They did an awesome job and the actors are top notch. This show can go in any direction that it needs or wants. That is why I love it so much. The Rubik's cube of TV shows as many could put it. In my head, I have though of so many outcomes to this show. I honestly think that they made this TV show Chaotic for a reason, and only one. To confuse and bewilder everyone to the true cause of the story. This is going to sound weird, but I think that there is only one Character that matters in this whole story. The others are just echoes. I think the show started out with the character Jack, as we awoke in the Jungle. I think it will end with him as well. Of course I am wrong, but it is fun to guess.
I'm anxious to see the Richard-centric episode.
As far as the sideways timeline, we seem to see them bump into each other more and more frequently so I think some kind of destiny/time gravitation is pulling them together. Eventually something will happen to combine them with the island timeline. I originally thought the LA timeline was a point of departure at some point in the past, but it now seems more alternate, perhaps based on Jacob's involvement/non-involvement.
I'll be interested to see if Smokey's crazy mother is someone we know who time jumped (or some famous historical figure).
I think Charles Widmore wants the island because it (or its tender) seem to have quasi-magical powers (ala Jacob making Richard effectively immortal) and he wants that power.
I was wondering if 'Locke's' mother will be "mother-nature' since this is obviously turned into good vs. evil. Maybe they will take this back to when evil first entered the world? I was also annoyed they introduced new characters – enough already!! Loved the Sawyer side story. Also wondering if there are 'roles' that need to played on the island. Claire is the crazy mother looking for her child, just like Danielle (french woman). After Danielle died did someone have to take that role? I cant wait to see what happens with Richard. Also eagerly waiting for an update on Desmond and Penny.
Loved this episode. There was a lot going on but as I've read some of the comments still no real answers and that is raising the frustration level for a lot of us. Hope next weeks Richard Alpert episode is the water shed episode we have been looking for so far this season.
Is it just me or was Charolette actually looking for something in Sawyers draw other than a tee shirt. Did Miles set up Sawyer by introducing him to Charolotte to find out what is partener has been up too.
Oprah? I don't get it....
After watching the series from the begining, I must say the writers do tend to go off on tangents.But my theroy on the ending is–Sawyer will assume the persona of the dark entity and Jack will be the light. and Kate will assume the role Richard has held–being the buffer between both.Just like she has from the very start. Jack and Sawyer have always faced off on one issue or another and it always seemed as though kate was there to step in and comfort one or the other.
I think the reason Sawyer didn't do nothing about handcuff Kate is because he had secretly traveled to Australia and getting into that situation would expose that(He went to kill someone).
Also believe Desmon is locked up in the sub and may have something to do with defeating the smoke-thing.
Remember Jacob told Hurley that someone is coming to help, maybe its Whitmore and his team.
And the alternate flash backs. I think thats how everyone ends up after they are mysteriously send off the island and back in time to restart everything in the end of the season but differently without the influence of the island or Jacob.
LOST is a legend.
My comment is a response for Louie, you said that "Their histories prior to the flight were the same as they were in the "real" universe (i.e., their island selves).", but Jack didn't have a son originally before the first crash. And Locke and Helen had split up too.
There are lots of differences to the original stories, so I am not sure it's a continuation of "if the plane never crashed...". Definitely got to be some sort of alternate universe where anything can happen.
That said, anything can happen and I just hope they don't waste time on other stuff instead of answering the questions we all already have!
I have it all figured out.... The island is a space ship in disguise. At the end everyone will take off and that will be the end of that. And... the Man in Black will go home alright.... in the spaceship taking everyone with him. He probably was a criminal on his home planet and Jacob and the chosen ones were/are there to keep that island/space ship on earth.–to keep the man in black away from the controls wherever they are.
You want the truth, ....you can't handle the truth, ....Do you really want to know what really is going to happen ??? The truth is these characters are just ACTORS, yes actors, ...and ALL of them will eventually be cast on really stupid looking new abc shows! Thats whats really going to happen. Oh and just to spoil your fun, there really is no such thing as a "smoke monster" ,.... its just a computer generated image. And Charlie really didn't drown, I saw him on a commercial for another stupid looking abc show, so ...phew , we can all relax
If we keep following the bible stuff that is represented in LOST (and there is a lot) it makes sense that MiB (Esau to Jacob) would have mommy issues. Esau's mom, Rebekkah, sold him out and ensured Jacob actually got Issac's blessing as the first-born. Esau was totally manipulated by Jacob in giving him his birthright as well.
If they just handed over answers in every episode, I would be severely disappointed. I feel they are answering questions the Lost way... very slowly and keeping those who enjoy cracking codes happy. What they aren't answering (like what exactly is with the Egyptian themes?) I am certain will be answered if not the final episode, one or two before. I'm not concerned about new additions to the island. They are filler, background fluff, for the important character... Whidmore.
I never expected Smokey to tell a tale of his crazy mother, and, while it might have just been a means to connect with Kate, I also can't help but wonder if it will be of importance in the end.
I am VERY excited for a Richard episode!!
This show is starting to bog down. Just more questions and no answers and more characters. What's up with Sawyer being a cop when all along he was portrayed as just a con man. Just don't see where it is all going.
To the person who said that it would mess up continuity if Sawyer/Miles were detectives previous to the plane landing, I'd like to point out that Ben Linus was a teacher at a school previous to the plane landing. Rousseau and Alex were both not on the island, and in fact, Alex was Ben's favored student. No, it doesn't break anything. The thing that's changed, in this alternate reality, is A) The island was destroyed after the warhead was detonated, and B) Jacob has not touched any of the survivors. Notice that there was no mention of Ford's letter to Sawyer? He couldn't finish the letter, because he didn't have Jacob's pen. Jack hasn't been portrayed as a drinker in this alternate reality, in fact, far from it, refusing a drink from his mother while discussing his father. (Remember that he was a drinker even when he came to the island, getting a few small bottles of booze from a stewardess) Hurley's had nothing but good luck- he's the successful owner of the chicken shack, the business that Locke was working at, and a job agency. Locke is on good enough terms with his father that he invited his father to his wedding. I'm sure in the next few episodes we'll see Jin and Sun reunited, and get their side-flash together (or apart). Essentially (TL;DR), everything that has happened in the main-continuity of the plot has stemmed from Jacob's touching of different survivors.
Is it just me, or is this show getting stupider all the time? They only have 9 shows left to give us all the "answers". All they doing is giving us more questions! Should've ended when they sunk the island. Im only watching to see how it ends, but it's getting hard not to change the channel.
There is something in the Bible about God loving Jacob but hating Esau- can anyone elaborate on this?
@Ihatelostbutusedtoloveit I think your just an idiot. Trying watching every episode again. There's deffinetly not 20+ main character story lines. 10 at most, depending on who you consider a main character. Those are the only people anyone should be concerned about their endings. I'm almost certain there aren't any significant new characters? Not sure where your getting all the from. Try watching the show instead of complaining all the damn time.
My cat is going to inherit the island. That's the only conclusion that makes any sense. The only difference between him and the occupants of the island is.....he's always known that he is a candidate...they're just now finding that out.
Why didn't James ask Locke (Smokey) where he came from? I mean If he told me I am the smoke monster I would ask him "Hey dude are you from another planet or something?" I think Charles Widmore is smokey's brother and they hate each other.
LOVE the flash sideways with Sawyer and Miles as cops and even as such,Sawyer's cop is still a little shady (sleeping with a suspect and then still planning on killing Anthony Cooper). No matter which incarnation he's given, Josh Holloway plays this character perfectly and is consistently entertaining. But I really can't handle any more new characters popping up while we're supposed to see the story coming to a close! I do think Kate should have been more interested in why Sayid simply watched as Claire nearly stabbed her.
Can't wait to see the "Richard Alpert" story next week!
If the smoke-monster is let off the island he will kill the rest of the world. That could be why he's confined to the island- to protect the world from him.
I have never watched Lost until this February. I got snowed in a few times so I watched 5 seasons of it in less than 2 weeeks on Hulu. The production has been great and the performances have been excellent. The story is good unless you think too much. It is more of a fantasy than a science fiction. The science does not make sense and illogical at times - or should I say "at spacetimes".
But look, it's a fictional story. The writers can do whatever they want. they can change whatever they like at whim up to the last minute. Why guess? Relax. Enjoy the ride. The reason I am still following the show is that I have come so far; I need to finish it.
I absolutely am enjoying this season ( as I have every season since the 1st show). I too will go into 108 days of morning when it's over.
Candidates for behind the locked door on Widmore's sub: Desmond, Penny, Walt, Michael, Charlie or any mix of the above.
I believe that Locke knew what Sawyer would find over there on that other island – in fact, I thought that the smoke monster killed all those folks, not Widmore's flunkies.
I also knew that if Sawyer had come back to Locke and lied about his deal with Widmore, then he was going to be in for a bad day. You just don't lie to someone who can change into smoke and kill everything in sight.
But Sawyer didn't and so he lived to see another day. But I grow tired of Sawyer thinking he can escape on a submarine as if it is as easy as getting in a car and driving. That scenario won't ever go down.
Sawyer ain't never getting off the island. I could almost guarantee that.
I think next week's show could be one of the best. Finally some answers about Richard.
I think Widmore is after a tangible thing, not any of the "mystical" powers – I think there is something there Widmore thinks he can make money on.
Its too bad You know whats coming.
I can see the ending now.
Seeing Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach together and sawyer looking at Jack saying..... You don't know how much I want to kill you....END!!!
Come on. What's really important here is...How cute is Sawyer!!
The "it was all a dream" ending of "Newhart" was the best ending ever for a series.
The answers will come to the "real" storyline just as the "Flash Sideways" will create new stories will require a feature movie to help answer.
Lost is a gold mine...it's not going anywhere.
I have watched every season on Lost so far, except, I cannot watch this final one. I don't get it at all anymore. So, that is it for me! Good luck to all of you trying to figure this out because it's not worth it to me anymore.
Jack is and always has been the only one alive on the island. Like "Sean" said on his post – It started with a zoom – out of his eye. The series will end with him on the island as the sole survivor of the plane crash. He has been on the island the whole time, passing time by telling stories of every person on the island that is now dead. No answers will need to be answered cause it has been all made up all along by Jack himself. He will be rescued at the end, on the beach where the camera will pan to see him telling his stories to himself to pass the time while being "LOST"
So if the final episode is on either 05-11 or 05-18, adding either the first or second set of numbers together equals 16 or 23. oooooooh
I totally agree with jacquie, it was obvious to me that Locke/Smoke/Black knew what was on the other island and was just wanting to see what Sawyer would do. there are still so MANY question left though-Jin and Son?
It will be revealed that Richard Alpert is actually Oprah Winfrey.
Last nights episode was alright. Am definetly looking forward to the next. And I won't make any predictions on the show cause half the time EVERYONES wrong. Have been a fan since Day1. I do think Locke sent Sawyer to test him, his faithfulness to his word. This is such a great show! I almost feel like they are in The Garden Of Eden. In the Bible it says it can never b found. And Locke is like Satan and Jacob was like God/Jesus. Just a thought
This whole story is nothing more than good vs evil in the mind of a insane person. The story will end with someone in an insane assuylum and all the characters are just people that come in contact with that person on a daily basis.....It could be Lock or Hurley.....
I think both Son and Jin will be divided and be on opposite sides (Good vs Evil). Sun will be the "chosen" one to protect the island....I din't think so. My bets are on Jack.
I cannot wait for Richard's eposide. I am hoping that he will be able to reveal a lot about Jacob and the Man In Black and what he has seen on the island over the years.
I am not sure if this was mentioned but I wonder if this is a game between Jacob and Man in Black. Just like in the 1 season Locke and Walt were playing backgammon and one side was white and other black. And I wonder if the two dead bodies on the cave were the parents of Jacob and Man in Black. Are they maybe brothers? Maybe the ending will be who wins the game that they came up with the survive while being on the island as kids.
I had an interesting comment from a friend who doesn't watch the show.
After reading a couple of these articles he said "it sounds like they have a dartboard up with character names, verbs and assorted situations. Then throw darts and just write about whatever is hit".
I never thought of it this way but it does seem that way but...
.ZIINNGG! Smokie. thrummp! Sawyer. SHOOMPD! steal. clunnkkkk. submarine
@Jacquie: We don't know that Richard was the captain of the Black Rock. What we know is that he was likely on the ship and in chains. Perhaps he was either a slave or a prisoner.
@johnny mack: It seems like I read somewhere that Darlton knew how the show would end and knew there would be only 6 seasons. Where did you get this information?
re: "The Man in Black also compares his own mother to wacko Claire while talking to Kate. Is his mother really at the root of all this?"
Yah. She always did love his brother Jacob more.
Did anyone else catch the "God is not involved" comment. A lot of people have been saying that this could come down to a good v evil/God v Devil scenario. That made it seem like the writers were trying to tell us that we are not even close.
How many of our beloved characters will actually die before the end of the program – and the last standing will be the sad keeper of the island, much like Desmond when we first met him?
Jack will be "The One"
The whole series started with the zoom-out from his eye in the opening scene. I bet it will end with a zoom-in on the same eye.
I agree with SGIACB (now THAT'S mysterious!) Everybody just quit complaining like you want it all right now! If you do, wait until it's all over, buy the boxed set, and sit and watch it all from start to finish, then you can have your opinion. Don't know why some of you just can't sit back and enjoy the ride! I agree that Sawyer was definitely put to the test by Flocke and giving him ALL the info probably kept him alive. Claire being creepy is great; anxious to see how Christian Shephard plays out and why Claire dissappeared in the first place (has she died and gone over to the dark side?)
Dan and Neener: Once it was revealed Sawyer is cop, I too wondered why he would then let Kate (an obvious fugitive) go at the airport.
The only thing that pops into my head is that perhaps he didn't want any attention drawn to himself. By apprehending a fugitive at the airport (in the terminal for international flights) he may have drawn the attention of his colleagues. He would then have some explaining to do as to why he was there. We know that he didn't want anyone with the police force knowing he went to Australia.
what about Michael's son? surely he has a role to play at some point, that was such a big factor at the begining. Also the first guy smokey came for was the pilot that was supposed to be whats his name that ended up flying the second plane...smokey was after him from the begining? why
Who is behind the locked door on the sub? I say Desmond and Penny.
I only started watching LOST last season after catching up by watching the DVD's.....
but if this weren't the last season, it would be for me....adding characters when there are already too many to account for is ridiculous, unless of course, they are going to make the ending laughable, which it probably will be anyway.
But it was a fun ride, you must say that!
Thought it was a good episode. Agree that MIB sent Sawyer to the other island as a test and there's something fishy going on with Claire friending Kate so quickly after trying to stab her. Scratch Sayid off the candidate list. Next week's episode could really be key to moving the story along. AND there are 8 regular episodes, plus the finale, so they could have enough time to wrap up the main stuff. Also, locked room on the sub...Desmond and/or Penny?
Loved this episode. From the first scene when Sawyer talks with Hurley on the plane in the sideways world, it seem that Sawyer could be "good." But, I never thought under cover cop. WOW!:)
Along with the upcoming episode for Richard, I think the remaining episodes will focus on Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Kate, Sun and Jin.
Sayid just sitting there while Claire attacked Kate, from a story line point of view, was awesome. He had no response at all to what was happening – so different from the "normal" Sayid.
On the note of widmore actually wanting to kill MIB, he never actually said that...Ben and Widmore hated each other....although Ben inevitably killed Jacob he was initially a follower of Jacob....that would make me think that Widmore is somehow on the side of MIB, MIB just sent Sawyer to check the other island out to see if Widmore was there, and alive...and that obviously supports the whole MIB's fear of water since he couldn't just go himself
got so confusing, I wish they would put "Surface" back on.
i love this show it is crazy but i keep watching it sawyer is hot and the rest of the cast is great i hope that it never makes any sense!
My guess is that Widmore has Desmond locked in the cabin on the sub, and he is the key to defeating the Man in Black because of Desmond's 'uniqueness'. Remember, Faraday told him that his is 'special...and the rules don't apply to him."
Uh, does anyone else see a problem with Sawyer magically becoming a cop in the "flash sideways"? In all of the other characters' alternate universe lives, their fates change only AFTER the Oceanic flight. Their histories prior to the flight were the same as they were in the "real" universe (i.e., their island selves). If Sawyer was a cop–and partnered with Miles (!)–prior to the Oceanic flight, this causes all sorts of continuity problems. Major flaw, if you ask me.
I cannot WAIT to find out the truth behind Richard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =O
I have followed Lost from the 1st episode and feel compelled to say how much I will miss it once the series is concluded. (OK, particularly Sawyer!) The quality of acting, writing, production surpasses by far any other TV offerings. Kudos to all and thank you to ABC-TV.
Only eight episodes before I begin my 108 day period of mourning. Question: If alterna-Sawyer is a cop, why did he just let hancuffed alterna-Kate slip away in the airport? Isn't that kind of odd behavior for a detective? Of course, if he hadn't that would have been some sort of clue to his character. I totally agree w/the Starsky and Hutch thing! That would be awesome. Like Psych only... he's actually psychic.
I agree with a few othe comments already. There seem to me more questions than answers being generated which is why I am extremely pumped for next week's Richard explantion. I hope it does not disappoint. The flashback/forwards or whatever they are continue to be very confusing and are quite frustrating. Maybe this will all end as a two-world situation, but I tend to agree with some "others" here that its a dream of some sort
What a joke.
damon and carlton said in an interview that if some "mystery" doesnt pertain to a central characters storyline then most likely it won't be addressed. so you'll just have to suck it up. if you really think that everything will be answered than your in for dissappointment. seasons 1-3 were wrote and filmed without knowing how long the show would be on the air, so there was a lot of filler and dead ends that do not pertain to the overall story, and some ideas were abandoned later on when it was decided that the series would end after 6 seasons. i for one am really enjoying this season, and i cant wait for next weeks episode. i've been a fan since season 1 and will be sad to see this show end.
anybody wonder why sawyer let kate go free at the airport when she was in handcuffs and he was apparently a cop? kind of a bad cop if you ask me
Did anyone else think that Charlotte was intentionally rifling through Sawyer's drawers and NOT just "looking for a shirt?" What's up with that?
There are still 11 hours of show left, why is everyone in a rush for all the "answers", this has been building for 5 seasons now and Charles Widmore is far from a new charachter, he has been a major underlying factor from all most the beginning. I am really tired of people who say they love the show but keep complaining....just enjoy the ride. True all the questions may not be answered because that is not what the show is all about, but the major ones will.....
I agree, SUPER EXCITED for next week's Richard episode!! Also, I really think that un-Locke's "crazy mom" talk will eventually be vital to this story.
Last Lost thought-lets all face it now-there is no way this show is going to end with us all going "ahhh now everything makes sense and all of my questions are answered". We are probably going to have to draw a lot of our own conclusions.
P.S. I absolutely LOVED Six Feet Under, and that was the best final episode of any show I have ever seen. Everything from the song that played to the sense of closure that it gave us.
Last Lost thought-lets all face it now-there is no way this show is going to end with us all going "ahhh now everything makes sense and all of my questions are answered". We are probably going to have to draw a lot of our own conclusions. I absolutely LOVED
I wonder if somehow in all of this back and for time warp stuff, the Man in Black IS Aaron and he was trying to warn Kate.
I thought it was a good episode, but I too worry that there isn't enough time to answer all the questions unless they get cracking on that.
I think they are slowly answering questions, at least questions that I have. One thing I find hard to believe is Whitmore coming back to the island solely for Locke, aka "smokey." I think he has more up his sleeve. Is Whitmore able to kill Smokey? I can't wait until Richard's story is unveiled next week.
I just don't think they are going to satisfy us long-time supporters. There's only 8 episodes left before the series finale, which will probably be a two-hour episode. So that means there's only 10 hours of LOST left, and WAY TOO MANY story lines to answer. I don't care if they don't answer ALL the questions, but answer a good deal of them to give me the satisfaction of watching this show for all these years.
I'm gonna miss "Lost". I've been a faithful fan from the very first show. With only 8 episodes left, there still is a lot of unanswered questions. I have my own theory; Sun will be the "chosen" one to protect the island. She is the only to date that has not been featured in one of the "flash sideways". It seems that Jacob has selected her to have the power & control over the island. When is she ever going to find Jin? The writers are stalling, just can't figure out why. Now we have Charles Widmore back in the picture and he still wants the island to himself. What ever happened to Penny and Desmond? I guess we'll just have to be patient for the next few weeks and see what the storyline brings us..............
I am loving this season! My opinion is Locke (smokey) killed those people on the other island. He sent Sawyer over there knowing exactly what he would find & he wanted to see what Sawyer would do, it was a test.
As far as next week's episode.....I cannot wait to hear the history of Richard. We already know he was the captain of the ship we saw when Jacob was talking to the man in black. I want to hear what took place when he landed on the island.
I'm Lost. I was hoping for some sort of tangible ending a la The Shield or Six Feet Under... but its clear that the writers and producers of Lost have gone another way. I will keep watching but I expect this all to be a bad Bobby Ewing dream or something similar at the end.
I'm conflicted because it was a great episode as far as excitement and fluidity but Lost made another big faux paux (IMHO). They introduced NEW characters in a show with at least 20 characters that has to be accounted for and only 8 (some say 9) episode to tell it. And STILL they haven't provided enough answers to build up any tension. They're giving more questions but not enough answers. There's only the anticipation of the "final answer" which I don't think will be enough to wrap up 20+ story lines with all these characters without feeling like the Dallas – Who Shot J.R. 'Dream' episode. Really, all these characters... It's the Others, who's searching for the other Others and accidentally find more Others on a separate island. And all of the Others are lying to each other. But some Others knows the answer but won't tell the other Others. W T F. Fry it and put it in the skillet already.
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