Well, now, that's more like it. The last five minutes of Tuesday night's episode of "Lost" was easily the most exciting so far this season.
We even saw some very interesting developments in the alternate timeline, where Sayid's trip back to Los Angeles, California, was to see his beloved Nadia. But this time, she is married to his brother, a man who owes money to some very dangerous people. Sayid, meanwhile, now works for an oil company.
After Sayid's brother meets with an "accident," his debtors take Sayid to meet the big boss, who just so happens to be Keamy, the Widmore-hired mercenary who killed Ben's daughter, Alex in the "real" timeline. Once Sayid dispatches Keamy and his men - proving that the former torturer can still be a brutal killing machine when motivated - he finds Jin captured in a nearby room. For the first time, I truly can't wait to find out what happens there next.
The plot really thickened on the island where Sayid was a little peeved at Dogen for believing him to be evil and wanting him dead. A death-and-destruction-filled episode just wouldn't be complete without some good, old-fashioned fisticuffs and these two traded a few blows, before a fallen baseball reminded Dogen of something and the fight soon ended.
Claire paid a visit to the Others' temple, sent there by her "friend," the Man in Black/Smoke Monster (I'm assuming Jin is still back at her camp?). She announced that "Smokey" wanted to meet with Dogen outside of the temple. Dogen had better ideas, sending Sayid out to meet him with a dagger, leaving Miles - who just told him about the fact that he really, truly was dead - to hold down the fort.
Sayid had been warned that he would be met by a dead person, and must kill him before he said a word. However, after hearing the familiar smoke monster noises, Sayid was greeted by a talkative "Locke," who instead of dying, was mildly annoyed at the knife in his chest. Like Claire was promised her revenge on the Others, the Man in Black was prepared to offer Sayid the chance to be reunited with Nadia.
This was enough to put Sayid squarely in "Smokey's" corner, warning the Others at the temple that they should join him outside by sundown or face certain death. Meeting up with Dogen once again, we learned that Dogen was approached by Jacob and given the chance to save his son's life after a baseball game but in return, had to come to the island. (Recall Jack meeting fellow father Dogen at an audition in the last episode.) No sooner do we get that glimpse into Dogen's past than Sayid kills him in the same pool where Dogen tried to heal him. Lennon shows up and is savagely killed by Sayid as well. The deed is done, the Man in Black can now come to the temple, and it appears that Sayid has gone to the other side.
Meanwhile, Kate, who has followed Sayid back to the temple, is briefly reunited with Claire, (who creepily sings "Catch a Falling Star" in a pit) and mentions to her the truth about what happened to Aaron. Emilie de Ravin's look after hearing this gives Terry O'Quinn a run for his money in the evil acting sweepstakes (and so far, Naveen Andrews as evil Sayid is showing a lot of potential).
The sun is down, and some of the Others have joined the Man in Black, and some have stayed at the temple. As promised, the Smoke Monster shows up and attacks the temple ferociously, but not before the cavalry shows up in the form of Ben, Ilana, Sun and Lapidus. Miles and Kate are separated, Kate just barely escaping Smokey by jumping into the pit with Claire, and Miles joining up with the rest of them. Ben's attempt to rescue Sayid is short-lived as he realizes that a smiling man with a dripping knife near two dead bodies is not someone you want to deal with - yes, someone actually creeped Ben out.
So, the battle lines are drawn: Sayid, Claire and (a missing) Sawyer are with the Man in Black, and a very perplexed-looking Kate is with them and the surviving Others from the temple. Ilana heads up Team Jacob with Ben, Lapidus, Sun and Miles.
So, where will Jack and Hurley's allegiances lie, especially since both seemed frustrated, if not angry with Jacob last week? And what about Jin (how much longer can they drag out his separation from Sun, anyway)?
Share your thoughts, theories and predictions on video, or in the comments below. In the meantime, see what others had to say about it here and here.
I just watched the promo for next week's episode! some interesting connections in the parallel universe!!!!
Dharma's interest in the Island was explained last season by Eloise Hawking in the church basement. A little more background info on Dharma is in the 1980s faux-cumentary on Dharma on the Season 5 DVD set.
Yes, I see Kate now as a tippinng point. Jack & Hurley on one side, Sawyer & Sayid on the other.
While Ben has been a key mover of the stories over the last few seasons, he isn't integral to the original storyline. The character of Ben grew from little more than an extra because the producers liked how Michael Emerson developed him. Thus, it makes sense that he won't see it through to the last few episodes.
I tuu have noticed the Apocalypse Now imagery in the scene after the smoke cleared the temple.....
I have seen several scenes of Locke that reminded me of Kurtz......
Here is what I'm thinking, first I disagree with the statements that the writers aren't sure where they were going. I know they were at first toying with different directions but when they had a drop in viewers in season 3, they decided to put an end date and pull all the story lines together. Giving them the final season set at season six making it possible to figure out how they wanted it to end it all, and focusing on how to really make it a jaw dropping experience for us the viewers. Hoping and praying that's what happens. I think it's less good and evil than everyone believes. I think that Jacob and the man in black were cast upon the island, Jacob being the protector, and the man in black was punished, a being fallen from grace. Jacob is neither good or evil just curious, but the man in black I see as evil, the devil, who just wants to go home. I feel that in order for him to leave he must have someone to take his place. The island was the setting for the begining of all things, a garden of eden type setting, and the young boy that the man in black as John was chasing, that Sawyer saw as well is the messenger of a higher power. No god/angel idea intended but something like that. As time goes on the man in black is going to recruit as the ever motivating visitors that seemed to shock the man in black when jacob said they are coming is slowly moving towards the island, but I don't believe it's a character we will expect. I feel as though it's going to be Walt (or another character without a proper storyline completion) and a group that no one would expect to be connected to the island in that way. They will pose a "threat" to the island for the man in black, their job to trap him there and seal his fate. With his building "army" of recruits, they will fight the Jack group, and those that are coming to the island. It will end with Richard explaining who Jacob and the man in black are and covering their history, the rules, and trying to stop everyone from fighting and killing each other, but it will fall on deaf ears, and when kate dies that's when Jack and Sawyer will be left to be the new jacob and man in black, cutting to the scene suggested earlier of them on the beach, sawyer saying the I would love to kill you line.
I know many will not like me saying this, but this whole thing of keeping us clueless until the last episode is rather unsatisfying and manipulative. I would much rather have some idea of what's going on and who Locke and Jacob are and their objectives, so I can appreciate WTH is going on as these events unfold, rather than being in the dark through what is undeniably very confusing material. I didn't want to watch this show from the first episodes, because I accurately predicted that we would be held ignorant of whats going on and milked through years of island shennanigans, perpetually clueless, until the very end – but because of my family/daughter, I stayed tuned in, but I was dead right. I would much rather have had some appreciation for "what is going on" to be able to make some sense of what we see unfolding.
Jeanine, Kate can't be the mother of Jack's child in the parallel world as Jack saw her in the airport–running from security and Fed Marshall– and they were on the plane together. Pretty sure he would have made something of that if she was the mother of his child.
M. Golden, funny you should mention "smoke" (the monster) and mirrors (Jacob's way of watching the candidates). Hm. Intrigued, as ever....
1) There seems to be a lot of certainty that the bomb was detonated and went off. However, wasn't the "explosion" really a time shift? Didn't they still discover the hatch? And if it had gone off and threw everything out of whack, why are there still "others" in the future? I have a strong hunch the bomb did not go off. What if "it worked" Juliet's message through Miles, was in reference to dying. By dying on the island, in that universe, she was able to return to her parallel universe–where she is supposed to be?
2) Jacob and FLocke (Esau perhaps) remind me of Mortimer and Randolph Duke from Trading Places. What if this is all a game to them? They seem to have eternity on their side...perhaps this is how they kill time. Wager after wager, who's side will the people take? I don't know that I would be happy with it, but I think it would be funny if at the end of all this, the loser pays the winner $1–or if it really is a competition, the stakes may be much higher.
Kate is not he mother of Jack's child...she was on the plane with Jack and she had problems with the law, so how could the son live with the mother who was on the run? I'll bet it was Juliet.
Hurley, not Jack, could be on the island with Fake Locke at the end...but maybe that's what they want us to believe....nothing has been as it seems....
Remember the lighthouse. Jacob was going to have Hurley set the mirrors to 108 degress to "help" someone get to the island. Well, go back and pause on 108 degrees.... some person named Wallace is coming to the island.
Amber – I noticed that about Miles also when Sayid was "dead". I thought that he wasn't "hearing" anything so he knew he wasn't truly dead. but then in this episode he tells sayid that he WAS actually dead a couple of hours. go figure
excellent recap. the best show yet. i believe kate is the candidate. the look on her dazed and confused face as she was stumbling along with team MIB was intriguing. her position is very powerful and precarious. and it suddenly struck me. it's her. IT"S HER! she's not listed on the wheel because she's THE ONE. she's also the mother of jack's son in the side world. it's all feeling very biblical, old and new testament.
claire was amazing.
Does anyone remember that Claire was in an explosion before she disappeared and left Aaron. I think she died and was brought back the same as Sayid – that's when she turned evil...
Karen, Nadia and Shannon both died in Sayid's arms.
just an aside, i really like Frank!
it's starting to look a lot like Stephen King's "The Stand" !
About the parallel timelines - I think one timeline or the other will win- out depending on whether Team MIB/Locke or Team Jacob wins or looses. Not clear to me which timeline favors MIB yet, but here's a guess: Jacob brought Jack & Hurley to the light house hoping Jack would react the way he did and break the mirror (metaphor for self-determinism vs. MIB setting their fate?) - I think the "island" timeline favors MIB.
Since neither timeline has won yet, that's why some characters have some knowledge of the other timeline or are confused about events (e.g. Jack and his appendix) and in general are inextricably linked together in both timelines - they are kind of floating back and forth between the two. Also, has anyone else noticed the "time skipping" music plays when the story cuts to the other timeline? Same reason - the characters are kind of floating between them at least unconsciously.
Any better theories yet??
Horrible episode. They promised to answer questions last week, and didn't do it....again. Worst episode of the season, so far.
Man, I'm fairly underwhelmed with Lost so far this season.
It really seems to be dragging on. It really all seems like filler.
After 6 episodes, all we've really seen is people go in the temple, people leave the temple, people going back into the temple, people leave again... they keep running into Kate in the jungle, and she keeps telling them to continue going about what they were doing. And it took 3 episodes for Jinn and Claire to get to the temple so that she could basically forget what it was she went there for. I mean, she was angry enough to kill Kate for taking Arron, but completely forgot to look for him once she was freed from the pit the Others put her in.
At this point I really do not care about anyone's character's, as they've all been reduced to the point of insignificance. After all the buildup from the past 5 seasons, they've all become nothings. The only one's still retaining any significance is Jack, Hurley and Sawyer. The rest, I wouldn't even care anymore if they were killed off.
Ben was diabolical as a bad guy... now he's a throw away character. A nothing. Same as Locke. He was inspirational on his journey; an audience favourite. Now he's just dead. Just dead, and buried in a shallow grave on the beach for Vincent to dig up. Where is Vincent anyways?
The pacing is soooo slow.
We're 6 episodes in and nothing has really been accomplished or revealed. The only revelation's so far are that Locke is indeed dead, and the man in black is Flocke. The numbers are associated with names... and the lighthouse was used to see into the Oceanic passenger's lives.
And, can people still really get excited every time the black smoke appears now? I mean, now that it's been revealed to be Jacob's nemesis, doesn't it all just seem a bit anti-climactic when it appears? There's no longer any mystery surrounding it, and now that it's been revealed, it's as awesome as George Lucas's midi-clorian explanation of the Force in Phantom menace.
All 6 episodes so far could have, and should have been condensed into one single episode.
Has anyone noticed the parallels with the storyline and Jacob's journey back to Canaan from Genesis? Wrestling with the angel (undefined man, angel, God...Smoke Monster???), Esau coming with an army to meet him, etc. The parallels are striking. Then also explain the ancient locations – temple, foot at the beach, etc. Lastly, couldn't the island really be Purgatory? To quote WIkipedia – "Purgatory is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment in which the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven." Would also explain babies dying (they are born without sin, hence immediately move to Heaven??).
Shannon is not the one that died in sayid's arms that he is talking about..the show on tuesday was about nadyia in the "future" that's why she's with sayids brother, because he made that deal with MIB and he got his love back and the future was that she was with his brother, just like Dogen...he got his son back but he could never see him as long as he lived. I love being a lostie
I agree with a bunch of people who say the show will end with Jacob and MIB's replacements sitting on the beach and the "evil" one saying something like "Do you know how much I want to kill you". But I don't think the good person will be Jack. Everybody in the show has something dark in their past, except for one person. IF Jacob represents good, then his successor would most likely be the person with the purest heart. I think that person is Hurley. Hurley's only vice is that he thinks he's cursed and runs away to the insane asylum to escape reality. There is no better place to run and hide than the island.
Anyone looking for more insight into Lost should check out Entertainment Weekly and Doc Jensen's recaps on TV Watch.
Those recaps are very insightful and help you follow the stories.
An ending scenario: The island sinks under the sea because the balance could not be restored. However, a few are saved by climbing into the Black Rock.
I do love a show that makes you think, uncommon on network TV.
And where, oh where, with all the dead characters appearing, is Mr. Echo?
Steve – I like your ending. about Sawyer and Jack. It will leave an opening if they ever want to start over with LOST. :-) I'm entertaining the the thought it will be Jack and Locke battling at the end. They have always been at odds about the island.
I've thought for some time that the last scene is Fake Locke and Jack on the beach (not sawyer)....evil did not escape, Jack is the protector and now the man of faith....
In the flash sideways, you notice that some of the differences were pre-flight 815 (Jack has a kid, etc.). I think that Jacks' ex-wife is Juliet (she's a doc, so they have that in common) and that they split up because she had an affair with Sawyer...I also think that the flash sideways shows what would have happened if Jacob had NOT had any influence over any of their lives....
5 bucks says that Jack becomes the new Jacob in the end...
Remember last season when Claire appeared in the cabin with Christian? I forgot who found them, but remember that Claire looked different. She was smirking like she knew something most other people didn't and that was enough to give me the creeps and convinced me that she had gone or was going to "the dark side".
I also agree with earlier comments, that there will be no happy ending. At least not happy in any traditional sense.
THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME SHOW.....EVER!!!!!! Sawyer is the Wild Card. I agree bergy, I don't know how, but he is very important. More important than we have been led to believe.
I think we already know where Jack & Hurley's alliegences will fall. Take a look at the "Lost Supper" photo that was floating around a few weeks ago and look who all is sitting at Locke's right hand vs his left.
Jacob ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE KILLED BY BEN. Of course, he could have prevented it, but he had a plan or else the plan was for him to die before other things could begin to happen... maybe the final demise of MIB/Smokey. The question is what is JACOB's PLAN? To save the island, replace all current island Others with the Oceanic people and to what purpose, to get rid of MIB for good, or to offer the Oceanic group choices or to fulfill their destinys/destinies sp?)
It is possible that Jacob went into Sayid and used Sayid's body to get close to Locke/Smokey for a final confrontation. Not sure if it will be that way or Sayid is really infected beyond help to be evil. Have we watched him and Sawyer go through so much trying to change to have it all just not to have had any effect? We could be seeing both Sayid and Sawyer playing into the game and return to the good side at the end game and probably only to die, but die on the side of right. I think that is what will happen ultimately.
Sawyer is the wild card. He's the smartest and most devious one there.
Season 6, Episode 6: Dr. Linus
Season 6, Episode 7: Recon
Season 6, Episode 8: Ab Aeterno
Season 6, Episode 9: The Package
Season 6, Episode 10: Happily Ever After
Season 6, Episode 11: Everybody Loves Hugo
Season 6, Episode 12: The Last Recruit
Season 6, Episode 13: The Candidate
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I can hardly remember Shannon and that storyline with Sayid, but finally did and she did die in his arms. Sayid – he has tried to turn his life around and just kept getting sucked back into to doing more bad things. I wish he could find redemption and Sawyer also tried, but failed to become good. I wish he would find redemption. I really only care about the reasons and outcome for the original cast – Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Locke, Jin and Sun, Claire, Sayid. Add Jacob and Man on the beach and aka Smoke Monster and the island itself. Let's not look for an answer to every detail that has been out there for 6 years. I would not like to see Steve's ending with Jack and Sawyer (fits better than Jack and Locke) – Will the island survive and go on or end and be sunk. Maybe Widmore wanted to sink the island. I think next week will be Ben's last and his demise.
What is wrong with Kate as a candidate – wishy good washy bad -
the three main candidates seemed to be Jack, Sawyer and Hurley. I think Hurley will be the winning "candidate". I think Jack can't handle the pressure of life or death decisions. This has been his struggle since the beginnig of the show, as a suergon and a "leader". Its clear he breaks down mentally, and his progression is weaker and more confused.
Sawyer wont be the leader because he cant handle temptation. He goes for the easy way out and reactes primarially with anger. He also has been on a downward mental sprial.
Hurley seems to be the only one growing stronger and more confident. He does not panic in tough situations and seems to be one of the most dependable people on the island. He is also the only one in the flash-sideways that seems to have his act together. He is helping people in an almost "Jacobian" manner. He is also starting to trust himself and his visions more. Signs of him growing stronger when all the others are weakening.
Just my observations.
It is safe to assume that Claire removed the ash from the temple for the smoke to get in, below is the transcript from S6E6:
[Claire stands with Locke outside the ring of ash that encircles the temple]
LOCKE: Are you ready?
CLAIRE: Why does it have to be me? I mean, you could send Sawyer or Jin or... do it yourself...
LOCKE: If I could do it myself I wouldn't be asking you, Claire.
CLAIRE: If I go in there, I need to know you'll do what you said. I want my son back.
LOCKE: I always do what I say.
CLAIRE: Are you gonna hurt them?
LOCKE: Only the ones who won't listen.
Very, very interesting point about the last supper and the folks being on the right and left of LOCKE... Amazing observation!:
This is not a fight of GOOD vs. EVIL or YING and YANG or GOD vs. SATAN or whatever else you might think....
The answer to this story lies in one word: "BALANCE"
Jacob and Smokey are both good and bad and will do whatever they have to do to MAINTAIN BALANCE. Just like Sayid is good and bad, just like Jack is good and bad, just like Kate is good and bad... etc... .etc..etc...
Once again the show drags out not offering any answers as promised by the promos. Yes, it was surely one of the better episodes, but we know nothing more than we did after the last episode. I have the feeling the series will end much like the Sopranos did without offering any closure or really arriving at a final destination. I think the producers will be having the last laugh on everyone for stringing us along and then offering some pathetic ending. It's like having some salesperson getting you all hyped up and finding out they are only offering a scam.
I too had the thought of Jack and Sawyer on the beach at the end but then realized that Sawyer changed from being a con man to a heroic figure, jumping from the helicopter, loving Juliet, head of security and in the flash sideways showed no interest in trying to scam Hurley out of his lottery money. In my opinion Sawyer's not evil enough to replace MIB. If it was going to be Jack and Locke on the beach that would mean that Jack would have to die so Jacob could inhabit his body. Also the reference to Richard's "chains" could have been metaphorical as in bound to Jacob. I think that Richard is the island "caretaker".
I loved this episode. I do though, wish there wasn't the alternative it-never-happened reality. I feel like I'm reading two books at once and wish I could concentrate on what's going on on the island. I could do without the drama with Jack and his seen-once-a-month son and wouldn't try to follow it so closely, but we know it's going to tie into the other timeline somehow.
I was enthralled with Lost when it first started, and kept with it for a few years. Now i am so confused about what is happening and what has happened, I finally gave up trying. I was even watching on-line the repeats with the little ticker comments to help you along...still lost me.
It was a good show that Lost its focus, and now is trying to be "cool" with "smoke" and mirrors.
I am sorry because it had such good promise.
"Just shows that Damon and Carlton knew all along the whole story, and luck for us we get to see it paly out. "
I'm not sure I really buy that Jamie, but one thing's for sure, the shows been great since Brian K. Vaughn took the reigns as head writer.
This weeks actually wasn't my favorite episode this season, but the fight was really well done, and things do seem to be going somewhere.
Is Sahid really bad? He did leave the 2 guys he killed in the water that brought him back from the dead. Do you think that he may have double crossed the Monster????
It seems obvious that MIB took over Christian's body, but why did Christian's body go missing while Locke's corpse remained in the coffin?
I assume this holds some significance because in parallel world, Christian's missing body is what brings Jack and Locke together.
A side note, the parallel universe is taking place three years ago, just after the original plane crash. So its hard to digest that the current developments on the island are somehow connected to the off-island happenings 3 years ago...
Roger 3/4 8:59am, Billy 3/4 9:01am, John C 3/4 9:31am, Amykins 10:12am, Pickles I lokk forward tohearing your commentary further. Hope to hear form you all next Wednesday.
Oh yeah, Christian was MIB before Locke...Look up "Jeremy Betham" also all very interesting.
Lennon as in John "Imagine all the people living life in peace...whooohooo."
Lost sucks hard.
everyone keeps calling the other "reality" in the show "the sideway reality" the "before the crash timeline" etc. like a few others have pointed out here it is truly a PARALLEL UNIVERSE. that is why juliette told sawyer b4 she died that the bomb worked....
it'll be interesting to see how it all ties together in the end.
McDoogle, 3/3, you are on the right path. There are clues form the producers all over the place in every episode from the names, to place to quick visuals, we just have to put all the pieces together.
Note Jacob was last seen at the Temple pool giving Hurley instructions that lead to the hidden chamber in the wall. Jacob was touching playing with the water (making it well again?) so when Dogen ( Zem Master) & Lennon ( Imagine??) were killed the pool was a healing pool once again. Dogen & Lennon will rise once again. Yes, balance is a key theme along with choice, destiny. There are many mythological, buddhist and biblical references. Just look under the hood. (figuratively speaking) The producers refuse to just spell everything out for you/us and this is the most thought provoking show on television. Brilliant...
For all others go back to your mindless Jerry Springer re-runs and leave us alone.
As for the LOST followers (pun intended), thinking man's show, I look forward to your comments next week.
Please forgive me if this has already been addressed but did anyone notice when Jack was on the phone with his Mother and asked her when he had his appendix removed....he was looking at the left side of his abdomen. Your appendix is on right side. Very strange that a doctor would make that mistake. However, if I remember correctly, his left side was cut very badly in season 1 and Kate stitched him up. Wonder what that means?
Whatever happened to Christian Sheppard? Surely he plays some role in all this. And what about the power Walt had that was alluded to? Obviously the actor playing Walt is now much older so they can't just have him appear again but the writers made people believe he had some supernatural power but didn't elaborate on his story.
The significance of character names must have some importance–Dogen was an important Buddhist Monk who taught about "original enlightenment." And of course John Locke taught that we're all born a "blank slate." Lennon–John, not Vladimir Lenin, eh? There are others I think, I'm too tired to recall now...
This episode is another that reminds me that I'm so going to MISS this show!!!
And Naveen Andrews is HOT, HOT, HOT!
Questions or Answers?!
No matter what the ending, it's a very entertaining show and obviously makes people think!
I love the show and all the speculation.
Every person on the island has something to learn about themselves, and usually a demon to either overcome, or embrace. In the"not on the island" timeline, they're doing the exact same thing. In this case, Sayid is doing the same in both, and continuing to be a potentially good man who does evil things for what he beleives to be good reasons. There are PLENTY of answers being revealed, as long as the viewer isn't expecting someone to literally break the 4th wall and directly state them.
FlockeInTheMiddle, yes, the Last Supper photos – I think these are significant. Not only has Claire and Miles switched sides in these photos, but Sun and Ben have changed places. In the one where they are staring ahead, Sun is right behind Jin, signifying being reunited. In the one where everyone stares at Flocke, she is away from Jin, I think signifying that they do not end up happily back together, be that through one of their deaths or for some other reason.
I think further that the two portraits are direct reflections on the two timelines being told right now.
Kate is a wild card. Locke/Smokey/MIB seemed to look past her like she really wasn't there. She is in between the good and the evil and will do the right thing even if it costs her life (something to do with redeeming Claire and reuniting her with Aaron). Sawyer will come to her aid (Kate's) at the proper time and die trying (reuniting with Juliet). Jack will survive trying with the help of Hurley and Desmond? Whitmore? Charlie? Jacob can't really do anything...he's dead. But he will influence good over evil. Someone will replace him in the end to protect all (including the Island) from the evil escaping into the rest of the world.
The show is ending strong to quite strong. Big thumbs up. Can't wait for next week.
With the whole smokey "appearing as someone you know, but who is dead" angle...does anyone else agree that smokey might have taken the form of Christian Shephard way back when? Right around the time Claire was "recruited" and disappeared...into craziness.
Pickles comments are quite profound (above) and most are on target in my opinion. As I am a philosophy professor, I must mention that clearly one of the major themes of LOST is : to what extent does determinism come into play in our lives and to what extent does free-will come into play?
Jack (Jacob) symbolizes exercising free will with the decisions we make in life. John Locke (smoke monster) symbolizes giving in to fate or determinism with our life. Pickle is right in that all of us must strike the balance between knowing when we are in control in life (free-will) and when we must let go and realize that we are really small in the universe and allow the greater Spirit, Force, Consciousness, God, Ultimate Being (determinism) to "take over" and be in charge of us (like the smoke).
I thought for so long that this was a theme of Good versus Evil (and I am still somewhat confused and torn that it is) but if the writers want to include Dharma, Reincarnation, Enlightenment, and the philosophies of the East AND the West: good versus evil, resurrection new life, one chance to make it work, Redemption through the Lord and us as a co-pilot, than the East's cycles of life theme is just as significant as the West's black and white thinking (good versus evil).
I love Lost because I enjoy studying characters and reflecting on themes in reality. Lost provides richness with both.
Being a student of life, I am prone to think there are many paths up the mountain to the top, not just one. Whether it be Christianity and the West ( Jacob/ Jack) that take us to the top or Buddhism, Hinduism, and the East (Sid/ John Locke Smokey) that do it, both may be different paths but both show us the light and the highest point at the end.
I guess what I am trying to write in a nutshell is that we need John Locke AND Jack Shephard to have a rich, complete and fulfilling life. Both are two unique characters or paths but both represent the fullness to life itself.
Think about it. Even God transforms the "evil" (absence of Good) in our life so that we learn our life lessons and grow. The LOST island is our playground to work it all out with God's help (free-will and determinism) (West and East) (Jack and John) ("Good and bad").
How are we doing in working it all out in our own time and space?
I think it will be Jack and Sayid on the beach... Sawyer in the end will support Jack...
Joey K – I'm with you on your theory...Jacob and MIB are both evil.
Bring back Charlie and Jacob shall rise again?
Triumph of good versus evil.
ok everyone is saying ooh sayid killed the guy in the REVIVING pool. i dont think this was an accident he killed him there, i agree with pickle. i think the pool will revive those 2 and they will help with the end battle.
The "flash sideways" show what the survivor's lives would have been like if Jacob never "summoned" them to the island by maniplulating their lives. That is why things are different other than just the plane landing in LA. Remember, the bomb went off in 1972 – before Jacob got involved in their lives (many of them were not even alive).
Another interesting thing to think about: before the smoke monster took the form of Locke, he was in the form of Christian. He can assume the form of people whose dead bodies are brought to the island. I think that when Locke went doewn in the well last season and got injured, Christian is the one who helped him and told him tha he had to go back and die. Christian is also the one who lured Claire away from Aaron. He was in the cabin, etc.. He has been manipulating things all along to get to Jacob. Remember he told Jacob, "you have no idea what I have gone through" to find the loophole.
Maybe the entire story line is just a dream, or a science fiction story, concocted by Star Wars' fan Hurley's imagination. Now what were those lottery numbers again .... ?
The show, IMHO, is about balance. Both religion and science teach balance. Religion says good v evil, science says for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction. Lost says there are scales. Dogen says there are scales in us all.
Imagine that the island is the tipping point of the scale of the world. There is the good (Jacob) and the bad (MIB). They cant directly harm eachother because they are equals. For one to win, things have to be out of balance. So, others are brought to the island as "candidates." These others are all flawed. They have to choose the good in themselves or the bad. Jacob offers them pain and sacrafice but knowledge that they are doing the right thing. MIB offers them there basest desires. Sayid sells his soul for a chance to be with Nadia again. Claire for Aaron. Those that go that route, that tip the scales to the evil side, allign with MIB. Those that dont, allign with Jacob.
Only, right now, Jacob is less powerful. He said he was there to protect the island. Since the island is the tipping point for the world, he's protecting the world. Who is another character that we've seen whose unenviable job it was to be restrcited to a small area and protect the island? Desmond. Thats who is coming. I'd bet most anything on it.
If the balance isnt restored, if MIB and his followers prevail, the smoke monster can leave the island. Smoke=darkness. So, unless team Jacob can get back in control, darkness is looseed upon the world. Very "Revelations" no?
I think most people have forgotten about Aaron. Everyone thinks it will be Desmond, but I think Aaron will be the one returning to the island to save them all. We still don't know why Claire isn't supposed to raise him. I wonder if Jacob visited the psychic in Australia and told him to give Claire the ticket to Los Angeles. I like the idea that Jacob sacraficed himself to become more powerful in death, like Obee-Wan Kanobee in Star Wars. When they showed her inhaler, I thought, Shannon will be returning soon.
Hooch: Kate is on the lighthouse "sundial". No. 51 is Austen and she's not crossed out. On the cave ceiling we didn't see her.
LAME, like every episode this year.
Black smoke monster......temple, light house, bombs, secert tunnels,strange people....SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD ACID TRIP
Couple things, some that others have mentioned before.
Flock – almost surprised, screams "Don't tell me what I can't do!" a couple weeks ago. Locke is still in there and is fighting to take over. Not an original idea (see Matrix, Dollhouse, lots of mythology for themes of 'evil' being defeated by the 'good' character allowing themselves to be defeated and then gaining the final victory from 'within'), but still a good one.
So I think it will be Jack and Locke in the end on the beach, with the approching boat this time being Widmore's. The twist is that this time it will be the Jacob character (Jack) that feels trapped and wants to leave, while the Other character (Locke) will be the one who wants to stay, and yet it will be Jack's job to keep bringing the archetypal characters to the island over and over again in spite of the fact that he always wanted to get them off the island in his current life. The definitions of which side is 'good' and which is 'evil' will be blurred, and we will see that it is about cycles and balance more than about right and wrong, and that both sides have played good and bad at different times in the past.
Sayid was listening when Dogen told him to prove that there was still good in him. He killed Dogen to release him from his choice (notice that he waited ti kill him until they were in the pool), and Dogen's 'death' will clear the pool and return it to full function. He will be back and will choose to stay on the island as the new Richard.
The other big thing for me is the high probability that Ben (a) was a sociopath from a young age, and (b).never actually met Jacob. I think the Other character was really feeding Ben his orders all along, 'contaminating' the "Others" so that in the end many of them would join him for the last battle. Richard was probably told by Jacob to follow Ben and to let him corrupt the Others as a way to identify which were, at heart, on Jacob's side.
And oh yeah, the bodies in the cave are Rose and Bernard. They are the only couple in the entire run of the show who have been committed and perfect together, deliberately so. Theirs is the 'eternal' togetherness. None of the other couples will be together/happy forever.
Desmond's role is a mystery. He is 'outside' or all this, so I wonder if somehow he will become part of the island in a way that gives the island a new ability or feature, perhaps making it able to hide better, or alternatively anchoring it permanently in space-time and taking it out of hiding.
Sawyer and Kate will (hopefully) die doing something right. My guess is that they and Sayid, all of which have done the most wrong in their lives off the island and may be without redemption in this life, sacrifice themselves to take out the Other character or weaken him enough that Locke can take over.
All the numbnuts who whine about the sideways reality being a waste of time clearly have not understood anything. Whether it is an unprecedented extended what-happens-to-the-characters-after-the-finale wrapup, or, as I suspect, a Last Temptation of Christ-like view of what the main characters will live briefly as their temptation before making thier final choices to submit to their fates, there obviously is a reason for the alternate reality. Why people post rants about its insignificance 10 episodes before the end when the reasons will likely be made clear is beyond me.
One final guess: we will find out that Juliet died setting off the bomb, and that the Juliet that 'died' in Sawyer's arms was really Smokey/Other man trying to drive Sawyer into despair so that he would eventually join his side. All the old characters who will be back this year will be used the same way (Libby, Shannon, Michael), to tempt or drive to depair the remaining important characters (Hurley, Sayid, Walt) toward the Flock/Other man's side.
Here's a trip. Wikipedia John Locke (English philosopher 1700s)
Kates name is not on the ceiling or the sun dial. What does thi mean?????
Great so now after 5 seasons of "Less answers more questions" we get a final season with ...hmm ...lets see...."More questions and less answers"....Obviously not a supporter of the show, think its just a rating getter like Real World or Real housewives....they've been dragging you pour souls who watch this for the past 5 years giving you a crumb here and a crumb there....in the end it will probably be something stupid like a dream or some apocolyptic first round between God or Satan.
I think this is turning into a classic morality play – a struggle between the forces of good and evil. Jacob seems to be a Christ-figure. He was killed, but still makes resurrection-like appearances. Locke/Smokey of course represents the forces of evil. I'll venture a guess that Jacob's side wins out in the end.
Sayid is now Jacob – which is why he couldn't kill "Locke"?
Sayid/Jacob "saved" Dogen and Lennon from the smoke monster by dumping them in the pool – was the water clear or dark when they got thrown in?
just some thoughts
I can't believe that this whole thing is just a bible paralell, but I am suprised that no one mentioned the three crosses in the yard of the temple after the smoke monster was done with his sweep. It looked very much like a crusifiction. (sorry about spelling!)
Sayid is my favorite, but what's going on with him? I'm dying to see this through to it's conclusion, but I hope it's not a let down like the last episode of Twin Peaks.
Somethign else to remember, we have been shown the island completely submerged in water.
It was never stated definitively WHO Sayid would be reunited with in exchange for delivering Flocke's message to the temple inhabitants.
Nadia died in Sayid's arms after she was hit by the vehicle near La Brea Avenue.
Shannon died in Sayid's arms after being shot by Anna Lucia (worst person ever to come on the show).
While it seems logical that he would be reunited with Nadia, since she is his one TRUE love, I wonder if Flocke will reunite him with Shannon instead. Kinda like be careful what you wish for or wish carefully as what you say may not be exactly what you intended to get.
What made Dogen so special that it was him alone that was keeping Flocke out of the temple? Apparently the ash was more of a distraction since Flocke wreaked havoc inside the temple after Dogen died but the ash still surrounding the temple.
Claire and Sayid seem to be seduced completely by Flocke as when they were leaving the temple, the entranced yet devilishly complacent facial expressions were awesome! Not to mention that last stare-down between Flocke and Kate. He was looking through her, to see just who she really is while she was looking at him, amazed he's still alive.
Why does he need all these people?
I think Jacob and Flocke/MIB are the same person that has somehow gotten out of balance thus creating all that this show is about.
Desmond is probably the person coming to the island.
Yeah, I don't know... I feel that if someone hasn't rescued any of these people within a year in the first place, then screw 'em.
Did you notice at the end when Kate comes out Locke/Black smoke monster with Sayid and the band of now dark siders barely give her any recognition? Is it they have no use for her, or realize she cannot be corrupted (not that Kate is an angel)? No pleadings of come with us Kate. More likely Locke/Black smoke monster now has his group together and is now out to really kick some booty. The Good vs. Evil battle lines are getting drawn. I still think Sawyer will come down on the right side with Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Miles, Lapides, Iliana. The last 3 being late additions to our Cavalry group. Is Ben going to get it finally next week? How did Jin get from being taken away by Customs agents at LAX to being tied up in that refrigerator area for Sayid to find after the impressive take down of the bad guys. Love this show.
I am starting to believe aliens and time travel due to their speed of light spacecraft have something to do with all of this.
Bet you'll find that Kate's name/number are not on the lighthouse or the cave ceiling! Kate may be the only one that ever gets off the island at last.
They are ending the show all wrong. They are introducting too many new mysteries and questions for there to be a strong a clear finale. They should be building up to the ending by revealing different answers each week.
I mean what is the point if 90% of the questions we have are never answered. I pretty much wasted my time watching the first 3 ot 4 seasons!
Sonya: 2 photos were released with much talk of "which one should we dissect and analyze for clues?" Now we know there are two universes and we can assume, one photo is for each reality.
The "Questions will be answered" promos are from the very excitable ABC promotion dept., not Cuse, Lindelof & co. But I think we know now that UnLocke is very bad indeed (how can he not be, slaughtering everyone in sight? I think he's a liar too). Anyone who makes the kinda promise/bribe he made to Sayid is more than suspect. But Jacob may not be totally saintly... The atmosphere of evil was beautifully created, that last scene in front of the temple was creep-tastic! Don't assume that Jin and Sawyer are really on UnLocke's side, and Kate just kinda got swept up in the action and ended up with his group because the Losties had left. Watch your back, Kate! Where did Ben go? And shouldn't Richard have gotten to the temple by now? Can't wait to see what Sayid & Jin do next in the Sideways Flash!!!
1. MIB – Jack lost his father in the casket and Christian show's up on the island. In the flash-forward Locke's body is transported back to the island in a casket but he needed to wear a pair of Christian's shoes to get back. Is it possible that MIB was Christian on the island for the first few seasons but could never get close enough to Jacob. So when Locke was killed the only way to switch MIB's island body was to get a piece of Christian on the dead Locke to make the switch knowing Locke would have a better chance to manipulate a greater amount of people.
2. I like the idea that people are suggesting this will have a "Dallas" type ending. However here is my take. In a scene at the closing minutes of an episode in Season 2 we saw Libby sitting in the same nut-house that Hurley went to in the flash-forward. Since she has been dead for a few season's she hasn't been mentioned much. It would be an interesting development to find out everything has been in Libby's head and everything that has happened on the island can be found in images around the room.
Just some thoughts.
We need to examine the Ben-Widmore relationship further, but for all appearances and with the belief that Jacob is good – Ben is evil, Widmore is possibly evil (but maybe just misunderstood) and Locke is definitely evil. There is still much to uncover in these story lines.
Has anyone thought that Jacob has been the bad guy from the beginning and Smoky/Locke is the good guy??
One thing that makes me think this is that Dogen never specifically said that Sayid was evil.... Sayid said he still had good in him,
Ok, there is a promo picture on the ABC-Lost website called the 'Lost' supper where Locke is sitting in the middle and you a certain group of survivors on on side of Locke and another group of survivors on the other side...take a look at it....this picture has serious clues about how the season progresses.....
Best episode ever! Awesome! I'm seriously going to miss this show!
I love this show! Where is Vincent??
Great show last night !!
My only question is why is Flocke killing everyone when he told Sawyer
in the cave he wants to go home ?
He apparently hs the ability to leave the island.
FLocke is awesome! Terry O'Quinn is doing such an amazing job this season. Everytime he is on the screen you cannot take your eyes off of him. My only regret is it seems they are getting ready to kill off Ben. The Locke/Ben scenes have consistently been the best of the series.
Oh come on people! Do you not watch the show?! QUESTIONS ARE BEING ANSWERED
This is the second week that ive read comments on lost and what really gets to me is the people that dont understand that the sideways timeline is not the same time line as the island. TWO DIFFERENT WORLDS PEOPLE. Jack has a son in the side world NOT ON THE ISLAND WORLD. Nadia is married to Sayid's brother in the side world NOT ON THE ISLAND WORLD.
I feel this side world was written so that when the series ends fans can feel more closure. Think if the last season was the end of the series, everyone would complain and say "Well what happened if the plane landed?!"
Sayid ment Nadia when he told Flocke what he wanted died in his arms. Sure he had a thing for Shannon but the whole reason he was on the plane was to find Nadia
I believe Sayid was protecting Dogen and Lennon from the Smoke Monster, by killing them and leaving them in the pool to revive after Smokey left.
As pointed out by the creators recently, it is not an alternate storyline. It is a parallel storyline. These are two very different things.
I was confused by one part though in the show last night.
When Dogen dies, Lennon screams "He was the only thing keeping him out".
However, if that's true, what's the story with the powder/ash that Smokie couldn't cross? Dogen's sudden death somehow made the ash not work? Seems a bit suspended belief there for such a crucial element of the entire season so far.
Hopefully that's well explained, otherwise, seems like a cheap "out" being used by the writers to give a way for Smokie to get inside.
after thinking about it I guess if I am right the AR Locke charactor lives since the island Locke is dead.
Is it possible Sayid killed Dogen to save him? He killed him in the pool.. it is possible he will come back.. and without Locke knowing!
I kind of go along with Kara. Remember the island travels thru time differently from the rest of the world. sometimes island time and world time line up. the compass station was used to predict when travel to the island was possible. I think the bomb created the alternate reality with many charactors duplicated. when the 2 timelines finally merge there can only be one charactor in existance. So some people on the island will die or their counterparts in AR will die to achieve balance. so of the duplicated charactors which ones will we want to live? No matter what I love this series and will miss it when it is over.
Has no one noticed that Sayid was wearing a white t-shirt in the sideways clips and he used to wear a white one on the island, but it is now very black?
Love Wayne's idea of Aaron being the "new leader" .
Also, what is up w/ people questioning Sayid not being married to Nadia in the side-flash....everything is changed....Hugo is now lucky, Jack is a Dad, Ben and Locke are teachers, AND it looks like become friends. I do love how everyone seems to still be "connected" in the side-flashes, and maybe that is where they will all have their "Happily ever after" and the Losties on the island, well, they are gonna end up in a cave.......all dead. Well, maybe not Jack and Sawyer....they buy a bed and breakfast and raise Aaron (love that one Barry)
I love this show so much that I hate it!! Just want it to end to get the answers but I never want it to end.....
Why is Jin now in a freezer when last we saw him being arrested at the airport?
I think that the 2 realities are influencing each other. Jack's appendectomy scar is an example. Now I think Island-Sayid's "smokey infection" or whatever influenced the other-reality-Sayid to become a killer.
When his brother asked him to kill his enemy, Sayid said he wasn't that kind of person anymore. Meanwhile, his evil-disease alter-reality persona was turning more evil and killing people. The next thing we know, the other Sayid is shooting and knifing people in a kitchen. The 2 realities are entwined somehow, I think leading to a common destiny.
Remember when Juliette said that "it worked" right before she died?
I think that we are getting to see what happens on the island just for fun. Perhaps good wins, perhaps evil wins.
Eventually, all of the main characters will die on the island, either from fighting or old age. I believe that when they do, their conciousness will be transferred from their body on the island to their body in the alternate story line (where the plane didn't crash) and back in time to the point where the stories split (the moment the plane went down).
Juliette had her near-death experience and she saw where she was going. I think were watching two endings at once.
One thing that is curious: the interaction between all of the characters in the alternate plot line ...
Remember when "Lost" used to be good.
Does anybody remember last season when lupidus is faking unconciousness and llana tells one of her henchmen that they can't kill him cause he's a "candidate"? I seem to remember that. At the time I figured she meant he was a candidate to become an other, but now I think he has as much stature as Jack or the other candidates. And where the hell is Richard?!! Is he still runnin around the jungle looking for eye make-up or what.
When do we see Charlie again? He is dead too but he is still there. I too love this show and want more. Last night was great fun and I wish Kate luck with that crazy claire.
I. Just. Don't. Care. Anymore.
Wayne, I agree with the religious undertones. I would not be surprised if the Man in Black's name is Esau and that the Island's Jacob and Esau are actually brothers. Esau hated Jacob but God would not allow Esau to kill Jacob... those were "the rules".
Must say that I do love Steve's possible ending for the show and it fits a lot of theories.
A lot of folks think LOST is the greatest show in TV history and you're entitled to your opinions; who's to say? I personally think it's in the list of Top 100, possibly higher, and that's pretty good considering all of the shows that have been on. "Favorite" can also define "the day" for the individual.
That said, I have what I consider to be the two greatest shows ever and I can see potentially similar endings between them and LOST. My first (chronologically; don't make me chose) is M*A*S*H. It did have the all-time best series finale but, essentially, it was a bunch people forcibly united by outside forces and situations who finally were able to go home to "normal" lives that could never be normal again because none of them were the same people as they were when they arrived.
The second is West Wing, which threw people together more by individual choice (common goals and ideals) but kept testing them with situations for which they never bargained and some reacted to those situations better than others. In that finale, the situations continued and only the characters changed.
In LOST, some will go leave the island forever changed and some will die in the process. Whatever the history of the island, it seems unlikely that it will "end" just like that (for crying out loud, a hydrogen bomb couldn't do it!) so that means the island "magic" will continue, but with new characters in the same role (Steve's suggestion).
That's why it's called LOST. Everyone is lost, including us...
My recap of last nights show...Sayid is playing with MIB, I think he's "going along" with him until he can figure out what's really happening and if he can really get him back to the woman he wants, Nadia. Claire, I believe is also infected with Smokie when she disappeared into the jungle right before everybody left and taking Aaron with them, hence, the reason she was never aware of what really happened to Aaron, .....cause she not really Claire anymore. Smokie needs Aaron for something or to keep something from happening ...like keeping him on the island...but now both on them know that Aaron is positively not on the island and he really needs to get off the island. I think Dogen and Lennon might just come back to life since Sayid made sure both the bodies were left in the spring.... meaning he knew that wasn't really going to "kill" them .... he just made the MIB think he had done the evil thing that he wanted him to do. We know that Sayid wasn't brought back because of the spring... he didn't "sit-up" until two hours after he died and then they said he was "infected" with and evil going inside of him. Sawyer also seems to be just "going" along with MIB until he can get some answers and or off the island and I think Kate is smart enough to know when to follow, lead or get the heck out of the way ...especially with everything that happened in the temple... she has to know her best action is to follow those who are still alive ....then she can figure out a plan later.
Jacob obiviously knew what was going to go down in the temple so he got Jack and Hurely out before it happened....under false pretenses.....but I think he was truthful about "someone" coming to the island.... I just hope that it's Desmond. I would like to see some of the other story lines tied up though... I see that they plan to kill Ben off... ending his connection with the story... but what about Miles? he just seems to "hang" in there with no real connection other than his father was one of the original Dharma people. He has a great talent...
talking to "dead people".... will we see his family again? Jin and Sun the two star crossed lovers.... on the paralle portion of the show .... I don't think that they'll ever get back together... but on the island I feel that they will eventually do so. I'm truely enjoying each and every episode this season and will miss it when it ends... it sure beats the same ol' same ol' night after night no imagination stuff that's been on for years.... and you can typically guess the ending in the first two minutes of the show.... who did it and why..... sorry more shows don't make you use the ol' gray matter like this one does.
Sayid has something up his sleave. He killed Dogen and Lennon, but left them in the spring that he knows has life giving qualities.
did anyone see, when the others were leaving the temple, there was a little child carrying a teddy bear by a string, like in the first season?
If you really think about it, Sayid helped Dogen and the other guy. Sayid knew that they would never leave the temple. If they didn't leave, the smoke monster would have killed them. Sayid killed them and gave them a second chance by putting them in the spring. I wouldn't be surprised to see them come back.
We talk about resurrections and all this stuff and that last names mean something. If this is going to be a holy parable, than Jack's last name is Shepard (Shepherd as in 3 wise men or someone who tends a flock) also Hugo's last name is Reyes (as in King or Kings). Could they be 2 of 3 wise men? How does Aaron fit into this? He may be the resurrection of Jacob actually.
Here is another thought with Jacob/MIB as far as good/evil Yin/Yang. Jacob says look but don't touch in a sense. It seems cruel to say I can heal your son but you'll never know him to Dogen. Much like God said to Moses you will lead the people to tha land of milk and honey but you will not enter. I too thought MIB was acting like the devil. I can make all your wildest dreams come true.
Lastly where the heck were Sawyer and Richard? Also I feel bad for Sayid , I'd really like him to get out from everyone's thumb both he and Ben have always been manipulated it seems. Ben reminds me of JOB though... except he was constantly asking Jacob what about me.. I do all these things for you and constantly get punished.. but why?
What people do not understand is quite simple:
The flash sideways are what happens in peoples' lives as a result of the bomb going off on the island in the 1970's which changes their lives because Jacob is no longer leading them to the island.
So people who are hung up on Jack having a son, Nadia being married to Sayid's brother, and more just need to realize that technically anything can happen in the flash sideways because it is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REALITY.
anyone else kinda annoyed at lost these days? i mean, we're 1/3 of the way through the season, and the only new information we have on the old questions are that the MiB is the smoke monster and wants to get off the island, and that the numbers represent many of the main characters/candidates.
yes, i know i should be enjoying the ride, but i'm also finding the season thus far annoying.
All the anonymous people that showed up with Locke at the end were the ones who left the temple before sundown.
You beat me to the punch. no LOST answers....LOST the movie...
Here's where I get confused. MIB is using Locke's persona, but Locke's body was left on the beach. Sayid is "raised from the dead" (supposedly) but his body is not left behind. Who/what is possessing Sayid's and Claire's (if they are really dead) bodies? Since Claire, Sayid, MIB, were all present in the same scene at the end, what the heck is happening here?
Ilana closed the wall panel before Ben could get in. So at this point, we don't know where Ben, Sawyer or Richard are.
I have a theory that Kate will be pretending to be on Flocke's side and then kill him in the end, probably in some scenario to save Jack.
I do think that Jacob would like Jack to be the new Jacob, but as erratic as Jack has been lately, will he accept the job? And what happens if he says no? Jack will want all questions concerning him answered before he does anything...Remember all his "Why me's?" to Hurley in the light house?
I have lots of questions, hoping to answer most of them. I can live without knowing why the polar bears were there, lol. But I do want to know how/why Dharma came to island originally. And Faraday? And Penny and Desmond? And Whidmore? Where are they? Are they coming back?
One other thing - as Flocke in the Middle pointed out - Jack seems to be in every person's sideways version, just like Jacob appeared to every person prior to crashing on the island.
Jacob is the god of beginnings. He is The Alpha. The Man in Black? Not evil — he's the god of endings. He is the Omega. Both are necessary for anything to have meaning. Jacob unchecked leads to chaos; Man In Black unchecked leads to annihilation. Both need to exist in balance; both need to be equally weighted rocks on the scale.
I think it will end with Jack as the new Jacob (since he was able to leave the island like Jacob was) and Sawyer as the "new" MIB (since he hasn't been able to leave the island.
They have been at each other's throats since season 1.
Also – i think the person "coming" to the island is Whitmore. He has been searching for the island and hasn't been able to get back.
I love it. I love it. I love it.
What about Jin and Sun's baby who was conceived on the island but born off-island?
Also, could Dogen's set-up with Sayid have been a ruse to get himself killed? He seemed pretty broken up given that he couldn't be with his son. Perhaps death was the only consolation for him?
All these people who complain about not getting answers! That is the beauty of Lost. I don't want all the answers...not yet at least. Keep bringing on the questions. Once the questions stop the show ends and this show is just incredible. I am once again amazed by the religious undertone of this show. Lock Monster tempting Sayid by promising him anything was taken right out of the Bible when Jesus was tempted by Satan. Jacob is not evil as has been previously posted, rather he is going to "resurrect" and save the island and Aaron (who led the Israelites in the Bible) will be the new leader of the Island.
Loved the "Apocalypse Now" ending
Regarding Sawyer: in last week's episode, when he was climbing down into that cave with Flocke, remember how the rope ladder thingy broke and fell away with Sawyer clinging to it? I don't think he has a way to get out of that cave now, other than maybe jumping down into the ocean and swimming for shore.
I LOVE this show. It keeps getting better. I love watching the recap the following week too. Don't ever end.
love lost, i kinda slacked last season because i was mad kate & jack went back and left aaron alone in the states.....yes yes i know lol
anyhoo i am loving the fact that now those who watch & criticize the writers cant say that they are playing this by ear, because Locke knew the entire time since he his legs back that the island spoke to him in ways he couldnt explain at first ... , and that the black smoke wouldnt hurt him, test him yes but never kill him nor hurt him, even when he was shot he didnt die, until it was time for him to take his place in the ranks ..... i love that Locke is finally this big bad character that he has always wanted to be .....he was so sad on the flash back with his fiance .....i think Locke given a choice who remain as he is now, evil or not.........he lived to have prower & control now he does...
Now Sayid...OMG !!!!!!! I was so upset at first ! But im calming down now lol Sayids first instinct is to SURVIVE by any means neccessary .... i dont think he is evil i did for a moment , but Sayid did not kill BEN .....he could have very easily done that and killed Kate when she walked out with them ....but he didnt .....i think Sayid killed Dogen & his flunky to proove a point and Dogen did tortue him after all .... Sayid never did to well with the whole turning your cheek deal so....And kate is very smart and also has killer instincts ...so whose to say Sayid didnt tell her to play along as another blogger mentioned....
I dont think Kate would have walked out with Locke aka evil monster had she not had a reaosn to ....she def. hasnt turned like claire...poor claire is comepletely gone...
and how is claire evil ...was jacks dad evil too there were once all in Jacobs Cabin together once upon a time when Locke found them ...hmmmm something to think about
..one more thing ....... Pregnant Claire was sent here obviously for a purpose we arent seeing yet ...Could Aaron be Jacks son in the flash forward, David...because we dont know if Kate would still have Aaron ....or could it be Pennys son ....... because Aaron has something special about him or else i dont believe claire would have been sent to the island pregnant and delievered there, just a thought ....
LOST, The Movie......coming to theaters Summer 2012
Anybody else wondering if the Lost writers are combing these comments for ideas? :)
i don't get this show!!
When the smoke monster travelled thru the temple it reminded me of the Passover in the Bible. There it is described as a smoke that travelled through the streets and went under doors destroying all the first born sons, unless the doors were marked with the blood of a lamb.
I seem to recall in a flash back to the very early history of the island when the giant statue was new and unbroken. I thought at the time that the face of the statue was not human. Has anyone counted the toes on the remaining ruins? Do you see five or 6 toes? This was a few years ago so I might have misremembered. Can anyone confirm?
MIB says he was once a person and experienced emotions but he never said he was human. That's my theory anyway. I can't wait to see how this story ends!
Sayid sold his soul to the devil......
I totally think Fake-Locke was surprised to see Kate...I know that smoke monster thing can grab people and stuff, but when it came thru, she slipped into Clair's hole...i think he missed her but MEANT to get her....or bypassed the hole because Claire was there...whatever..the looks on their faces were clear...Kate is in big trouble!!! She better get back to Jack...LOL
"Just shows that Damon and Carlton knew all along the whole story" You're dreaming. They make this stuff up fresh each week. I don't even recognize half the names in this recap – Dogan? Flock? Lapidus? Just more unexplained stuff, little buddy.
I read somewhere that Maggie Grace was going to be back on the show. If that is the case, then maybe she is going to be reunited with Sayid. I was in shock last night watching at how quickly Saiyd turned from being compassionate while listening to Dogen's story about his son and his being responsible and the story of why he was on the island to how quickly he pulled him in the water to kill him. I didn't see that coming and I almost fell off my couch.
Great episode, but when will Skipper and Gilligan show up? And I think that Jack is really the professor.
Last season Sayid married Nadiya – then she was killed. Ben had Sayid killing those responsible.. so I'm confused what time erra we are in with Nadiya being married to Sayid's brother. I like the Shannon theory someone posted. I'm just confused. Dogen and Jack met during the last episode at the Piano recitle – both thier boys were playing. I gusse Dogen can have more than one child or that child could play ball and piano – but it's confusing to me. My son and I did say " where did everyone else come from" when they all showed up at the temple. I hope the hero will be Sawyer or Hugo – I'm burned out on Jack. I love reading the thoughts everyone has, it sheads a bit of light.
Alex, good point, I think you have something there!
Anna, there's 10 more episodes and then a finale that is 2 hours long, so technically, there are 12 more "shows." When you think about it, that's about 7 more hours of show (ha ha...it's those dang commercials eatin' up all the time), no seriously, that's a lot more time to get into the details...
i'm frustrated that Ben had such a HUGE role before, and not has been delegated to a 3rd tier character. I need answers about Ben, dharma initiative, etc.. before this gets wrapped up. This seasons story line is easier to follow, but it doesn't answer anything about the last several seasons... Love it, but still confused...
I believe the 2 skeletons in the cave are of sawyer and kate.. as sawyer said to kate: "some people were meant to stay on this island". That's all I got.
Did anyone see "Sonny with a Chance" on Disney this week? Such a great episode, Sonny was homesick. HAhahahahhaha.
So much pointless drivel about nothing on here. It will be funny when the last episode shows you that the entire show has been nothing but a coma fantasy of one character.
@ Darkstar: Smokey was only able to attack inside the temple bc 1) Jacob died and 2) Dogen died. As Lennon said before he was killed by Sayid, Dogen was the only person that can or know how to save the rest.
Also, Ilana and company entered after Smokey had a go around already leaving people dead or wounded. No one left to fortify the temple.
I'm sure we'll see Desmond again as he's likely the visitor who's coming. But the whole Whitmore storyline was based on Whitmore knowing the special powers of the island and wanted to capitalize on it. Not sure how much further the writer can go with that.
I am however, curious to see why Ben and Whitmore had similar rules as Jacob and Smokey.
I thought Sayid's transformation was very Anakin Skywalker-esque... same deal, revive the dead.
I wish I could be as enthusastic as some of you are. I did enjoy the twists at the end. Ben creeped out is one of the best moments ever on this show, but he needs Hugo to comment alongside him. "Dude, you've gone all zombie on us." But overall, it was boring and excuse me, WHAT WAS ANSWERED HERE? It said answers were going to be given and so they couldn't show us hardly anything. What? Did I miss it? Probably.
I hate this show. I cannot wait for it to end. I have been frustrated with it for a long time because nothing makes sense. I thought we would have answers this year but I find it more confusing.
this was a great episode! I also wondered about how Sayid was supposed to plunge the dagger into his chest before "Locke" spoke. I wonder if that made a difference anyways since it seem slike Dogen only sent him out there to get killed. I k now a lot of poeple don't like the parallel time line but I like seeing the six degrees of separation. Claire is uber creepy and kate better watch her back. 2 episodes without Sawyer though is too many!
Where was Sawyer this whole time? Did Smokey leave him in that cave?
ahhhh make it end already. i hope the writers do as good a job as they did with last nights episode for the remaining ten, cause before last night, it was a tad dissapointing. guess i'll have to watch to the recap show again just to see what pops up on the 'lost scroll bar'.
BTW Karen, if I remember correctly, didn't Nadiya die in his arms too? Remember, she was hit by a car crossing the street when Jacob kept Sayid back to talk to him at the crosswalk...or am I wrong?
When Dogen and Sayid were talking about promises being made to then by Jacob and the MIB. It reminded me of the classic "deal with the devil" Sayid was promised to be reunited with his love. In the alt time line he is reunited with her, but as her brother -in-law. As the saying goes "the devil is in the details.
Good recap. I assume Jin was back at Claire's camp because there is no way he could walk very far with that leg injury. Hey, shellost, it is silly to say this but I thought the same thing last night about Claire's hair. LOL. Good Lord, you're right, Rousseau's hair, still somewhat dirty, looked 100 times better. Wonder what her secret was?! A special shampoo developed only for Island dwellers? The fact that she is brunette and we just couldn't tell it was so matted and like a rats nest?!
I also wonder if Dogen is really dead, I mean, they drowned Sayid in that same pool of water and a couple hours later he was just fine. I remember a few episodes ago, they seemed puzzled as to why the water was not clear. Did that ever get figured out? Is it because Jacob is dead?
Oh well, as usual, TONS of questions. I swear they better answer EVERYTHING and clean up the loose ends! Otherwise I feel horrible thinking I wasted the last 5 years of my life!! Just kidding....
I am incredibly impressed with the writers of 'Lost' and where they have taken this plot to. I find myself gripping the edge of my seat more and more with EVERY episode. Love it. Great job. Keep it up!
Since the beginning I have always thought this show is about Jack's life or Jack's dream, or maybe Locke's dream. If you LISTEN to things during the show you hear repetitive sounds that all relate to the hospital where Jack works. We'll see. And yeah, they didn't ANSWER anything last night. I think that the writers think the "answers" are those subtitles that you get in the recap of the last week's show, not the current new episode. Just a thought.
Did anyone else notice the concerned/surprised look on Flocke's face when Kate came thru the gate? Like "what's she doing here?...is she on our side?" Does anyone else think it might be one of the most important clues to future events we've seen yet?
Wish this show would go on forever after last night....what a big vacant hole when its gone!
Where is Sawyer? Where is Jin ?
I LOVE THIS SHOW !!!
Steve-Awesome conclusion. I think that guess is awesome and I hope you are correct!
It's simple..Sawyer will be the new Lock/smoke monster..Jack will be the new Jacob.
but Nadia isn't dead ... and he is dead, sort of. Honestly it is all very silly if you think about it. Entertaining yes, Realistic no, often Silly
Surprise, surprise...an excellent, action-packed episode and some people are complaining that it didn't answer every question. There's still plenty of time left in this season, but I get the feeling that some people will be pissed if they don't find out what was the deal with the polar bears or some other little detail.
I agree with the suggestion that the show will end with Jack on the beach, taking Jacob's place. Although i think the other person will be Locke, not Sawyer. Locke is merely using Sawyer as a pawn. I also think that Hurley will be the new Richard Alpert.
Greatest show next to Battlestar Galactica (re-imagined series)
Hopefully Lost can end a bit better than BSG did(Although I still enjoyed it) – So far so good.
Am I the only person who thinks that Jacob might be the true evil being on this island? If MiB (or Smokey) was so evil – why did he not do a lot more killing? – He had plenty of opportunities do do some major damage to those on the island, but always refrained. I mean there was the Oceanic 815 pilot, Eko, and Illana's team (Who were clearly on Jacob's side) – and most recently the leftovers from the temple (also Jacob's side) – seems like the people he is most interested in killing is people affiliated with Jacob. I just go back to the first time we saw Jacob "spinning yarn" for his tapestry or eating "The Red Herring" on the beach (with MiB) – It's almost as if the writers used this imagery to tell a silent tale of what Jacob truely was. Also he seems to be the one behind the scences manipulating all the events. Giving deals for service to him on the island. (Deal with the devil?)
Why had Ben (or anyone, aside from Richard) never seen Jacob? How is it that Richard served Jacob (Since Black Rock landed?) Almost blindly as he(and everyone else) never seemed to really know the true nature of his plans.
I mean even the "good" things that Jacob had done (like bringing back Locke after his fall) – came with negative consequences (Locke was alive, but crippled, thus lost his faith in life in general)
Something tells me there is a lot left to learn – I can't wait to see what happens. Kudos to ABC – I can't believe there is a show this good on broadcast TV.
Steve, that would be a truly outstanding ending! I love it.
I am wondering too about Sayid. This is the first time we've seen him kill for a reason other than protecting someone he loved. It is out of character for him.
I've seen a fair amount of inconsistency in Sawyer's character too... unreliable drifter to happy family man and upstanding community leader, and now to a follower of Faux Locke?
IMO it was also inconsistent with everything we've seen of Miles that he would stay in the Temple rather than run. Everything we've seen of his character has been driven by self-preservation... and now he stays to fight?
Penny is the mother of Jack's child, David.
David is a Chopin-loving piano virtuoso and, as the alt-Dogen remarks, has a "gift."
Daniel is also a gifted Chopin-loving piano virtuoso.
Daniel's sister is ..... Penny!
David got the gift of musical talent from the same place Daniel did.... Charles Widmore.
The "sideways timelines" don't serve any purpose- they need to use the time to provide answers about the island!
I am really confused about Sayid and Nadia. Previously, I saw no mention of her being married to his brother and having children. When Saiyd was in the group who left the island, he married Nadia. Should we assume her husband and children were dead at that point? Not sure I like this twist.
I think these recaps of Lost on CNN are pretty bad. Anyone who hated last week's classic episode but loved this weeks doesn't know what they are talking about. This week's wasn't bad, but it didn't have any of the "what did that mean" or "what was going on there" that classic Lost's always have. This is just a cheap attempt by CNN to get hits on their website.
Also what's happening is stil "whatever happened, happened". In the new 815 timeline Charlie passes out from lack of air, Jack saves him, Jack still doesn't have closure with his dad, Sayeed shoots Kearney, Claire is given an ultrasound by Ethan, etc. All the stuff that happened on the island will still happen only off the island.
I have been a big fan of the show since i started watching durning the third season, and so far I think this last season is the best! The 'Sundown' episode had the best action we have seen in a long time with Sayid kicking ass once again.
That being said, I'm not sure if he killed Dogen and Lennon on his own (Doing what Fake-Locke/MIB says to be reunited with Nadia) or if the 'darkness' has finally cought up with him and he is now officially 'claimed' by Flocke.
The lines are being drawn as to who is good and evil and it seems the Others really don't care whos side they are on as long as they get off the island. The Evil group: Flocke, Claire, Sayid, Jin perhaps? (We last saw him with both wacko Claire and Flocke), Sawyer (We last saw him in Flockes cave and agreed to side with him to get off the island), and Kate who will probably side with Sawyer as that is what she always does.
The Good group: Jack, Hurley, Miles, Llana, Lapidus, Sun (it seems to me that she will never be truly reunited with Jin as I believe he will be in the Evil group)
As always i look foward to the next episode to scramble my brain!
Each episode is getting better and better. 10 more episodes to go and I can't wait to see all of them. Last night's episode is just awesome! It's good to see Nadia again. I hope Sayid is not completely evil.....maybe he just hangs out with the fake John to find some answers? And really hope Sun and Jin will be reunited soon. It's boiling up to something really good!!!
This was a terrific episode! Emily De Ravin plays a great wacko/psycho Claire. She was really creepy.
Naveen is such a great talent-he plays good and evil so very well!! I look forward to next Tuesday nights episode....lets hope there are some answers delivered!
I agree with Joey K. I am convinced that this series will not end happily. No good guy will save the day. This action is building to a tragic ending starting with Hurley's death in a few episodes.
One quick thing- may not be Nadia he wants. He said that what he wanted died in his arms; Shannon meets that profile as well and we do know that she will make an appearance this season. Him pushing Nadia on his brother in the alternate timeline may foreshadow a "twist" where we expect him to reunite with Nadia, but instead Shannon comes walking in.
i don't remember where i saw this but its on a website somewhere that details the 'last supper' photos released by ABC before the beginning of the season. In the first picture it has locke in the middle and everyone looking at the camera. in the second picture it has locke looking ahead but everyone else is staring at him. even more miles and claire have switched places at the table. it would seem everyone to locke's right is the people he has recruited while the others have not been. I think its clear that the show is going to wrap up surrounding locke... however i'm starting to find it very compelling that everyone's 'sideways' storyline has a jack cameo... did JACK touch john locke when he gave him his business card!?! all i can say is i disagree with everyone who says that this season has been bad so far... there is a story that they are trying to tell and you have to give it time for them to 'plant the seed' you need an idea of who stands where... its a much better story if they don't just thow it all at you in one episode.... love lost... can't wait for next weeks...
I think there may be an assumption that the Man in Black is bad and Jacob is good. I don't see it that way Jacob has brought people to the island and not let them leave. That doesn't sound good to me.
are you kidding me? being a faithful and now a one time fan, this show has became just jibberish hogwash. The credibility of the writers have went down the tubes. 2 years ago, they said they knew the end game. The End Game= to many writers in the same room with their own way it should end, missing many many doses of prozac. Diluted, sophomoric, and just plain derailed. What was once a great show now has lost its luster.
And Ms. Marple and Aquaman, I can see that happening
"Steve March 3rd, 2010 11:41 am ET
I think the show will conclude with Jack and Sawyer sitting on the beach with one telling the other...."Do you know how bad I would like to kill you." That's my guess so far...."
OH good one!
All the side stepping or side-flash to show "what might have been" is nothing but fluff. It is just padding the story line with meaningless action with little or no bearing on the true Lost storyline. The Lost story is back on the island and this storyline suffers each time we jump sideways. What would our reactions have been if it was Kate on the floor instaed of Jin.
Hmmm...Steve I like your take on Sawyer and Jack sitting on the beach at the end. I could see that.
I'm liking that when Locke was dragged by the Smoke moster in the first season after being rescued, he was angry that they didn't let him go. As he said, he was in no danger. But it seemed crazy to think that. So I love that all these seasons later we find out why he was in no danger: because he was a candidate. Of the writers aren't making things up as they go along. That's why this is one of the- if not THE – best show of all time.
Nadia did not die in Sayid's arms. She died while laying in the middle of the street. Shannon actually died in his arms.
I am with 'confused' as well. This season seems like a hodge-podge of thrown together storylines. Where I used to see some logical progression showing the writers knew where they were going with the story, I am simply not feeling it now. The alternate timeline is really also starting to work my last nerve. So much time is spent on this reality, but it never feels that we as viewers get anywhere with it. I am trusting that the writers will somehow tie it all together eventually, but with only 10 episodes left, I think they need to start picking up the pace.
I also don't like the way they are forgetting to explain some important key aspects of the show, such as how MIB could make it in the temple while it was surrounded by the circle of ashes. And what happened to the 'rules' of the island? So now anyone can be slaughtered at absolutely any time? The temple was also supposed to be fortified, yet Ilana and crew could simply walk in at the last minute to save the day? Like I said, it just doesn't seem like they are thinking this out much anymore. It also seems like all the previous storylines (Dharma Inititative, the Widmore storyline, Faraday, Desmond, etc.) are no longer important to the overall storyline and it's now all simply about MIB. I hope the writers prove me wrong.
I really don't think this was one of LOST's finest moments. I seem to be in the minority though.
I think Jack will become the new Jacob. Sayid is awesome and so is Claire. Awesome acting !!
I think everything is going to tie up in the end and mush all the flash forwards to the sideways to what we think is present time to going back in time. Sun and Jin will get reunited but I bet one of them dies at the end. Forever lasting love.
The numbers mean something we just haven't been told yet or we have but none of us get it yet.
I love this show!!! Every drama /sitcom/movie should bring the audience in like this show does....just awesome writing and details.
This show got a little too creepy for me. I think they all actually died on the plane crash and now have to go through the motions of finding out if they will go to heaven or hell based on how they act on the "island" (scenes that are not on the island are the result of their actions on the island). Just a theory.......
Funny that everyone has forgotten about the old couple still on the island. Even though they say they are done running around with the Main cast, I do not think the writers are going to let them just slip into obscurity, Hell they show up in the alternate reality.
Bring back Mr. Eko.
I am convinced Sayid is trying to be reunitied with Shannon, NOT Nadia. And John did talk first, breaking the power of the sword. But John appeared quite ticked at Kate joining the group...Kate is the most disappointing and inconsistent character – sometimes she tracks folks in the jungle, other times like last time she yells "Hello", then she is this tough chick and then becomes wimpery when the Others were holding her the fist time. I love Ste've thought about Jack and Sawyer becoming Jacob and MIB ;-)
I missed last weeks recap – Who or how does Jack have a son David?
Very interesting theory, I had never thought about that! Maybe the whole point is for both Jacob and the MIB is to find their own replacements and the cycle of the island would just continue on forever.
I got really scared when Kate showed up in fron of Sayid. I thought he was going to stab her.
So what is the bigger picture here, Good vs. evil, second chances to get things right, fate and destiny. This was an amazing episode by the way! I think it's cool that no matter what time we are in – their lives are all intertwined regardless. They are all meant to impact each other – so it seems that they are being used as pawns to carry out the wishes/desires of "smokey" and Jacob. What is the big picture?? Also I want to know what these "rules" are that smokey and Jacob seem to adhere to – like way back when Ben entered Widmores bedroom and woke him up – Widmore asked Ben why he didn't just kill him right there – and Ben replied..." you know I can't do that" – or when Ben daughter was killed and he referred to it as a change in the rules. WHAT RULES? And who says?
i wondered why sayid didn't attack kate. dogen said the form of someone you know will approach you. how did sayid know that kate hadn't been killed since last time he saw her? obviously, he knows locke is dead having been on the plane wit h his body/casket. anyway, seemed like he should've been a little more cautious when kate appeared.
Great episode! Could it be possible that Jacob can assume Sayid's body after Sayid's death? And that Dogan's and Lennon's deaths were necessary for a larger cause, i.e. defeating the Man in Black? Even they may not be dead since their bodies were thrown into the pool that has a history of bringing people back to life. Great show!!! Great mythology!!!
Steve – AWESOME idea for the Jack/Sawyer beach ending !!!
I could be wrong but didn't at one time Ben have a remote or contraption of some kind that controlled the black smoke??? Also, I wish they would show Mr. Ecko before this is all said and done.
Running with the theory of AltReality is really the deals survivors made with Jacob = good or Esau (name of MiB) = be careful what you wish for. We can somewhat see / predict who chose what team:
For Claire and Sayid, not what they hoped for. One is giving birth alone in another country after plans of adoption fell through. The other gets "to be with" his lover as a sister-in-law. Not Ideal! Clearly, they chose the wrong side. Kate remains to be seen since she did bust out from her security guard.
The good side: Hurley became luckier after the win, Jack is being the father he never had. Dogen reunites with his son.
Jin getting his wad confiscated? might be a sign he went to the bad side. Agreed with whoever said the Kwons will be split, so Jin will turn bad while Sun remains good.
Neutral: Locke. Neither good nor bad. Died before he had to chose.
I loved this show. But when I missed a couple of episodes I was so confused I couldn't get back into it. I'll probably just have to wait until everything is on DVD...
I'm starting to think the Losties we've been following all this time are NOT the good guys!
This episode kind of reminded me of Star Wars when Anakin turns to the dark side. The final scene where you see Sayid, Claire and Kate join up with "the dark side" sent chills down my spine. I think the theme of "the balance of good and evil" is being played out brilliantly and I can't wait to see whether or not Kate and Jin will actually follow the evil John Locke (Smokey, man in black, whatever you want to call him) on his mission of destruction.
Despite his stubbornness, I've always been a huge Jack fan and I hope it truly comes down to him being the only capable person that can stop the dark Locke. It's also possible that Jin and Sun, although close to finding eachother, are possibly under different influences. Although they may see each other soon, I can't expect it to be that easy for them to be genuinely united.
The show is about destiny, but as Jacob had said, everyone has a choice; thus clearly, he is the good guy while MIB is offering the world to Sawyer, Sayid and everyone else would make him the bad guy.
I think the people who are coming are the parallel universe Oceanic survivors and maybe Desmond. Somehow these two separate story lines will converge before the end.
I think Jack is poised to be Jacob's replacement at the end of the show, for he's been broken more so then anyone else, thus his understanding and strength will be greater. Hurley and Jack were removed from the Temple for a reason. Hurley is Jacob's messenger. Jack must be his greatest prospect among all the candidates.
I think the knife Sayid used to stab MIB will be used to kill him in the end. Because Dogen and his sidekick fell into the spring, would they be returned to life too? That should be interesting.
Ben feels like a Gollum character up to this point. Sorry for the LOTR's comparison, but Ben has been a vehicle for some time. Wonder how he will be used before it all ends. Surely Richard will be picked up by Lapidus and Co. before long.
I understand why Sayid would do what he did, but I still feel like his fall from grace was too damn quick.
It's a pity, because now more than ever it seems like he'll just be added to this show's body count before the finale gets here.
I also have this bad feeling that Jin and Sun will not have a happy reunion. Pretty sure one of them ends up dead too, and it's looking more and more like Jin will be the one. Let's face it he is not ina good place right now.
Ok, so the smoke monster is evil incarnate, but Dogen still called him a man, WHO THE HECK IS HE????!!!! Is he a historical evil figure? Satan himself? Just someone made up for the show?
They really have to give us a good explanation on why he was trapped on the island as long as Jacob was alive.
Also, if they end the show without explaining Richard's immortality (or lack of aging whatever the case may be) I'm really gonna be ticked off.
This has to be the most aptly named show in the history of TV. With every episode I watch I'm more "Lost" than ever. Still, I keep watching and loving it. And really, what's up with Claire's hair??
Weak episode. They promised answers and gave us none! But I'll be watching next week.
After Sayid was taken out of the pool, Miles was acting like something wasn't right with Sayid. When Hurley asked what was up, he said "nothing". Either he wasn't getting any death flashes from the body, or he was seeing the evil. I hope they answer that soon, since Miles is always so awkward about telling people what he sees.
I never want it to end. I love this show!!
I can see how this is lining up:
Jack Vs. Locke
Kate Vs. Claire
Sawyer Vs. Sayid
Sun Vs. Jin
Hurley decides the winner
Actually, I think Jack and Sawyer move to Sausalito together, open a Bed and Breakfast, and raise Aaron.
awesome, awesome episode!!!! What a great show. I was glued to the TV to ensure that I wouldn't miss a thing. The whole good (Jacob?) versus evil (Locke) is intriguing. The balance of good versus evil has swayed towardsthe evil side. I believe that Richard Alpert will play a significant role in bringing back the balance (sounds like starwars doesn't it, LOL) I agree that Richard was probably from the Blackrock, possibly a prisoner as Locke mentioned to him that he looks different without the chains.
Keep the good comments coming! It's a awesome show.
I'm with Vince and Stratt...I'm not so sure Dogen and "lennon" are quite dead yet, they both were left floating in the same spring that Sayid was revived in....i think they are only "mostly dead"
I don't think Sayid is evil. I think he's playing along until he finds out what Flocke is up to and how to kill him. I also picture him pulling Kate to the side and telling her to follow his lead. Hence, the confused look on her face. Claire? She's an honest-to-goodness nut ball. Dogen was never a "candidate" and in exchange for his son, he came to the island knowing that someday he would die there. Last theory of the week, Jack's son, David. I'll bet his mom is Juliette. Somewhere in the alternate timeline, her and Jack met at a hospital, fell in love, and got married (and divorced??).
Did anyone notice seeing Jack in the hospital when Sayid was there for his brother? I still dont get the parallel lives.
Reunited with his dead love...hmmmm...killing him would accomplish that too woudn't it?
I think the show will conclude with Jack and Sawyer sitting on the beach with one telling the other...."Do you know how bad I would like to kill you." That's my guess so far....
Karen, both Nadia AND Shannon died in Sayid's arms. That guy has no luck at all in the romance department!
Vince, the pool did not bring Sayid back to life. Remember Miles telling Sayid that the Temple Others did not save him, they drowned him? Miles also said Sayid was dead for 2 hours, after the drowning and that something else brought him back.
Have not watched the episode yet, but, I want to see Richard's history and I wonder if Faraday and Desmond will come to save the day?
How does anyone follow all of this?
I think the fact that we didn't see or hear Sayid tell Locke that he would help him, raises some questions. In true Lost fashion, things are not as they appear!!!!
I am thinking a Dallas sized dream too. Somehow, good will prevail – and, the alternate stories that we are seeing this season will be the new reality – everyone has been given a "second chance" to do right... It would be cool, because they are letting us see how everyone will be after all of this... Brings to mind the fabulous last episode ever of Six Feet Under, where they in a ten minute segment sped through the main characters life up to how they would die....
i thought last night episode was great. Kate needs to pick a side and not just follow anyone. While she was rambling on to Claire she didn't see her " i'm gonna cut your throat " look on her face. And what is up with Jin in the cooler, can't wait to find out about that storyline.
fantastic as ever!!!
Dogen and Lennon left for dead in the same pool that brought Sayid back to life?
did anyone notice dr. jack at the hospital? it was so quick but cool
I'm with Barry – touted as the episodes where questions were to be answered, I am still LOST. The only thing gratifying was to see characters like Keamy and Dogen get their just desserts. Otherwise, not sure I'll make it through the next 10 episodes to see the finale, it seems like such a mismatch of stories and plot lines nothing makes sense anymore and they could just as well bring in Ms. Marple and Aquaman into the story line and it wouldn't be a surprise.
Hummm ... We gotta watch that again...
I also think Richard is from the Black Rock.
I'm not convinced Sayid has gone totally evil as both Dogen adn that other guy were both left for dead in a reviving spring.
As soon as the loan shark guys took Sayid to meet their gangster boss, all I kept thinking was "kill them all Sayid. Kick their loan shark asses" And he did !! Loved the evil-yet-content look Sayid had at the end when he was walking throuh the temple amid all the death and destuction.
No good will come at the end of this show. Prepare yourself
Just wondering what happened to the ashes (or powder) they had strewn all around the temple to prevent the smoke monster from entering it ? Did the powder lose its significance since Dogen was killed ?
I don't think Sayid is going to be reuinited with Nadia...I think it's going to be Shannon. He said the person he loved died in his arms. That would be Shannon, not Nadia.
I'm sorry, but WHAT questions were answered last night?
Excellent episode. I can't wait to see the finale. I hope the writers have a good finishing story to meld all the events.
This is the reason I watch LOST...What amazing writing and yes, if you think that they are making this up as they go, you would be wrong. Just shows that Damon and Carlton knew all along the whole story, and luck for us we get to see it paly out. Such an awesome episode I dont know where to start.....
Sayid is a badass, now an evil badass. Claire looked like she wanted to rip Kates' head off, then she seemed content when she was walking out of the temple with Sayid and Kate in toe.
I LOVE the new Flocke, makes me wish he was like this all along. I think Desmond is the one coming to the island, since he isnt affected by all of this. I still say that is his and Pennys' skeletons in the caves. Also think that Ricard is from the BLACK ROCK, and that Jacob set him free, but gave him a choice to live or die, and that is why he doesnt age. And I'm still saying Jack is the one who will save everyone, everyone who is left anyway lol.....Man I just love love love this show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so many characters, you can never fit them all in one episode. where were jin and sawyer? meanwhile, i liked the reference to the scale, good vs. evil, making us all remember the scale that was in smoke-locke's cave. last thought...why does claire's hair have to look like that? rousso (sp?) was alone in the jungle for years (looking for her missing child also) and she never had awful hair like that.
I sure hope more questions get answered soon because there's only 10 more shows. I'm as confused as ever-not sure how this is going to end. I was hoping Sayid wouldn't turn on the dark side again.
Good recap – I couldn't possibly come with that on my own.
Has Henry done recaps on the previous seasons? I'd like to read them. thx, R
Sayid bad. It's an episode of Dallas. It's all just a dream.....
Claire is truly creepy so far this season... I like it!!
Side note: It seems that the main cast is going to be split into different sides. I can see Kate on the opposite side of Sawyer and Jack presiding over everyone. I also think that Sun and Jin will be on opposite sides.17
I can't wait for Sun and Yin to reunite.....!!!
Is it safe to assume the darkness has spread to Sayid's heart seeing as he killed Dogen and Lennon? Or was he motivated by Smokey to reunite with Nadia? Unless these 2 the same??
Good summary, I think another thing you missed or should have emphasized was the fact that Dogen said shove the sword into the monster's chest before he said a word. 'Locke' still managed to say 'Hello Sayid' before the attempted sword plunge.
never liked Sayid. now i hate him.
This was the BEST Lost episode in years. The storytelling was crisp and tight. For some reason the writers always created tighter story lines when it involves Sayid, Lock or Walt and his dad (back in the good old days). This show was freekin fantastic until the last 5 minutes when it fell into the same cr@p Lost pitfall by involving too many characters that had nothing to do with the episode AT ALL. All of a sudden all of these people show up in the last 5 minutes and break up this fantastic Lost euphoria I was in, once again proving the Lost writers have no idea what to do with all these other characters so they just plug them in here or there to make them relevant to the story. They need to stick with the core characters and wrap this thing up.
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