Thank you, Jorge Garcia, a.k.a. Hugo, a.k.a. Hurley for really saving Tuesday night's episode of "Lost." It was a stroke of brilliance to have Hurley see dead people, because his interactions with Jacob have been one of the highlights of this season. He also made this week's Jack-centric episode a lot more bearable.
Before we get to the real meat of this episode, there was another visit to the alternate timeline. And just in case it wasn't clear before, things are quite different there - seeing as Jack has a teenage son, with whom he has an uneasy relationship (yes, just like his relationship with his own father). One big, obvious question here: Who is his mother? And, oh yeah, the alternate version of Dogen pops up at a conservatory where Jack's son auditions.
Back on the island in the "real" timeline, Jacob tells Hurley to get Jack to follow him somewhere so they can help bring someone to the island. Jack being Jack, he's hesitant to go, but the words "You've got what it takes" convince him. On the way, they encounter the cave where they lived during much of the first season (remember that?) and they find the "Adam and Eve" skeletons, where Hurley puts forth a theory voiced by many fans that they're castaways having traveled through time. And since Hurley said this, I'm guessing that's wrong. Jack also reminds us that he found his father, Christian's empty casket there and smashed it. "Jack smash!" is second only to "Hulk smash!"
There are lots of references to Christian in this episode, including one by Claire, who mentions to Jin that he and "her friend" told her that the Others have her son. While Claire is tending to his wounds from the trap she set a couple of episodes ago, she also captures one of the Others at her makeshift camp, and he swears that they don't have her baby.
Right as she's about to kill him, Jin tells her the truth: Kate took and raised her baby. Right after this sinks in, she kills her hostage anyway. Did I mention Claire is off her rocker? Realizing this, Jin convinces her to return to the temple with him where the Others are keeping her baby. (Good news for Kate, who might be next on Claire's chopping block if she found out the truth.) He sees that she's lived like Rousseau in the jungle for three years now and, creepiest of all, has a replacement "baby" in a crib that resembles Norman Bates' mother at the end of "Psycho." Is this a preview of Sayid's future?
Tellingly, Sayid was not invited by Jacob to go on this quest with Hurley and Jack. The two eventually happen upon a lighthouse they've never seen before, where Hurley was instructed to line up the apparatus inside to 108 degrees (the total when you add "the numbers" together).
Soon, Jack sees what appears to be the church where Jacob met Sawyer as a kid. Then Jack sees his childhood home, when the lighthouse points to the written name "Shepherd." The candidate names, many crossed out, are all there, just like in the cave the Man in Black showed Sawyer last week. Jack freaks out, demanding answers from Jacob, who isn't in a hurry to show up and dole them out. So, altogether now - "Jack smash!" Who is at 108 degrees? Thanks to Jack, we'll never know. Could it be... Desmond?
Whoever it is, Jacob isn't too torn up about their chances of finding the island when he shows up to inform Hurley that this was all a ploy to get Jack to see the reason why he's here, and to get the two of them away from the temple because someone bad is coming. The two of them, and not Sayid anymore, I'm guessing, are still candidates, after all (no clarity yet on which Kwan is a candidate).
Who is that "someone bad?" I'll throw out the strong possibility that it's the Man in Black/the fake Locke, who is also Claire's "friend." I'll further assume that he's also responsible for the Christian sightings on the island all of these seasons. However, it still doesn't explain where his body went (and where his casket went in the alternate timeline).
As great as it was to find out more about Claire and the candidates, an episode with little or no Michael Emerson or Terry O'Quinn just isn't "Lost" at its best, so I'll hope for more of them next week. What did you think? What are your theories about the person at 108 degrees, and the mother of Jack's son (or do you even care about the alternate timeline at this point)? Share your views on video or in the comments below.
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I have watched the show from the beginning and have seen every catch up show as well and all I can say is What The ???? I am pretty sure the writers have as little clue as to what they are doing as we the viewers do!
i believe that jacob has evil intentions and the man in black will be good (or i have just been won over by mib/lockes smile). is wallace walt's full name, did i always just assume it was walter? hwy can the mib exist in dead people's bodies and jacob cannot? jacks son looks an awful lot like kate.
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So many people are shocked that they never heard of Jack having a teenage son before ...
That's because the boy never even existed before ... he only exists in this alternate timeline, in which past events have unfolded differently, and relationships have unfolded differently over the previous years or decades leading up to that aterante reality.
Also - there is no doubt that Claire is Jack's half sister. That's not guesswork, it's been stated explicitly a couple of times over the last few seasons.
Gaylord: Yes, Jack was wearing a prosthetic head but the island healed it later in that same episode. PAY ATTENTION. And yes, we found out in season 3 that LOST rhymes with DOST. I'm glad you like the show and look forward to more of your insight.
1.) The Lighthouse Belongs to UnLocked as the cave belongs to Jacob. Jacob simply used Hurley and Jack to destroy Unlocked's ability to track his 'candidates'.
2.) LOST is not the story of Jacob and his twin brother Esau.
3.) Unlocked represents Horace an Egyptian God not Esau – Jacob's brother. Who built the cabin? Nice scar Locke\Unlocked has.
4.) Dogen is Dagen – Look him up. Not pivotal... but may point you in a better direction to figure out who David may be and what kind of Temple that is.
5.) Candidates are not replacements – Jacob and Man in Black are not the original inhabitants of the island.
6) "We Are Everybody" – Song by Driveshaft has more meaning than you think.
7.) Adam and Eve – Are indeed the beginning of a family tree. Yet they come at the end – eh.... near the end. They're not the beginning.
8.) Freewill – Destiny – Moral Responsibilty (David Hume) are the philosophies driving people's actions and the means in which to manipulate people to do things. It's not the main plot of the show.
9.) The world's religions, or better put, the worlds mythologies and religions, are the main characters of the show.
10.) Brush up on your Shakespear!
11.) If Spinal Tap can do it – so can I . . . The answer lies in the Pilot!
Hello Lost. My name is Billy Ray Jim Bob Puckett and I like this show that you call LOST. Hey did you know that LOST rhymes with DOST?
Correct me if I am wrong, but in the first episode of the first season, wasn't Jack wearing a prosthetic head?
Also...didnt Vincent leave the island with Walt and Michael...he was on that little boat that took them off the island...
FYI...Claire did not give Aaron to Kate to take back to mainland...she just left in the middle of the night with her father and Sawyer brought Aaron to Kate so she could take care of him. So Claire has no idea where Aaron is and that is why she is searching for him.
just going to throw this out there... I haven't read through many of the other posts...
I'm guessing the mother of the son is jack's ex - Sarah.
Vincent was last seen with Rose and Bernard back in 1977 where they hoped to live out their lives in peace (with Roses cancer in remission).
I'm sure at some future date, I'll have to sit down and watch every episode back to back (over a couple of months of course). I'm sure there will be discrepancies along the way. Big deal. Just enjoy it for what it is: a great TV show; and apparently an IQ test if you can't follow the story.
Earlier i posted, i'd watch tues.'s episode tonight......jhmmmm
maybe i'll dvr a few episodes at a time.
that way..ill almost get two straight hours of mstery.lol
lovin lost since day one.though over the years some details get fuzzy, hence digging the way the writers gives us old folks flash back points.
interesting and keeping us guessing..
LOST FROM 1ST EPISODE UNTIL THE VERY LAST EPISODE!!!!
then of course after featuring the last episode..
the writers will give a 'conclusion' 2 hour surprise finale!!!!!!!!!!!
please stop using 8 in the word hate. it is not as clever as u might think – and you are not saving any time.
Man in Black says that Jacob would have met them all at some point early in their lives, where he would have manipulated them into a course which would lead eventually to the Island. If Jacob is murdered on the island, then he would not have been there to manipulate them, and therefore they would no doubt have somewhat different lives before the crash. ie jack having a son (Not named Aaron). Just a thought
I remembered on last seasons ending was that Claire had disppeared shortly after she had given Aaron to Kate to take back the the mainland and when we saw her last she was at the cabin acting very different from the Claire we had come to know.... kinda of creepy like. Then with this season her not remembering anything about having given the baby to Kate and buddies with Locke I think she's also been pocessed the same as he is. She was poked and branded like Syaid when they said he was becoming infected with evil and knows nothing about what happened to the bay.... which makes me think that she truely did die in some way and now is walking around with the black smoke entity inside of her... who by the way is looking for Aaron, and would not have known that she gave the baby to Kate before they left the island. So now it looks like there are at least three other candidates that could replace the black smoke guy on the island if he wants to leave....only he needs a willing live person to help him off .... so he's roped Sawyer into going along with his evil plans... Claire was seen with Christain in Jacobs cabin and since Christain is her father as well it makes me wonder what side of good and evil he has taken.
I think point 108 is Jack's son.
So Locke has now transformed into the "other guy" that was talking with Jacob on the beach that time.. Ziaeed (not spelt right) is now Jacob come back to life.. Jacob is the keeper of the island and the battle between Locke and Ziaeed will end the series with Jacob winning and sending everyone home.. LOLLL
You heard it from me first...I think Jacob is also a Smoke Monster maybe a White Smoke Monster and I think Christian Shepherd (Jack's father) is key to the story. Remember the ep where Hurley said that since it was 1977 and he knew every line from "The Empire Strikes Back" that he could write the screenplay? Remember "Empire" is when George Lucas decided to take Star Wars in the direction of Darth Vader (I AM your Fatha, Luke) being Luke's father? Christian Shepherd has been claimed sometime in the past by the WHITE SMOKE MONSTER (yet to be revealed) aka JACOB, and is Jack's father! That is why his body is missing in BOTH timelines, he was really Jacob! This sort of goes along with the MYST game too: Mysterious Island: 2 brothers in the end both evil...don't know but maybe this is where we are headed....
Walt's last name is Lloyd.
Michael's last name is Dawson.
This wasn't the strongest show so far but let's wait and see. Jack's son's eyes were an amazing blue... who has blue eyes like that?
ps I really, really want to know what the heck happened to Vincent the Yellow Lab??!?!?! Anyone? Anyone?
The name Jacob means "Deceiver". OK .....talk amoungst yourselves
This is the first season for me...confused is an understatement! But it's alluring.
2 things: I think that Claire is Jack's sister (SIAP) b/c the people at the temple told Jack that what happened to Siyad (spell?) also happened to his sister-and also she's in his dad's will.
And second, could there be any more commercials? It was 5 minutes of show and then 3 minutes of commercials.
I'm sorry to say, but I think we're all going to be disappointed. The entire show is a "long con" on the audience.....they get us all excited, there is plenty of "buzz" about the show.....blogs, theories, spoilers.....just lots and lots of attention, awards, etc., which means that the sponsors and creators have been and are raking in the money....get it, understand the "long con" now. Whatever the ending, it is not going to answer the big questions about Lost, to wit: "What the hell is going on?"
At this point I stop guessing already. I was shocked that Jack has a teenage son. The son has never been mentioned before. And I was hoping Jack didn't break the mirror at the lighthouse, so we can see it turns to number 108. I don't feel like the questions are being answered....Instead, this season creates more questions and more mysteries. But it's good. I am anticipating something explosive towards the finale.
I usually don't comment on these things but I am a little disturbed after reading some of the comments from people who seem to think that Christian does not have to be Claire's father in the alternate universe. It's true that Lost has many unrealistic themes such as time travel but this one about Claire is absolutely absurd. It's simple science people! There is no possible way that a person can be born (having a different father) and look exactly the same. Half of your DNA comes from your mother and the other half from your father. No two people on earth can have the same exact dna, which would have to be the case for Claire to look exactly the same but have a different father. I learned this in Bio class in middle school!
I'm sorry but it was truly one of the dumbest things I've ever read!
What ever happened to Daniel Farraday and (his parents) Eloise and Whidmore? Which timeline is Desmond in?
And you can't expect them to answer questions right away in the season, they are answered at the END of the season!
I absolutely love this show and I think the producers are so creative in connecting everything and having hidden meanings behind things.
Why do you refer to the island as "the real timeline?" Juliet told Sawyer "It worked."
tim – I have not missed an episode. I am referring to all the previous comment from people who expect LOST to change the very formula that has made them a success.
I agree that they have answered many questions. They continue to ask more questions but they are much more accurate questions that are being asked to help finalize the the series.
If the cave was Jacob's, then why did Locke (MIB) take the time to cross one of the names off of the wall?
I like the paralell universe. I like how they are all interconnected even if they never made it to the island. SO GOOD! I can't wait to see how it ends. I agree though I don't think Jack is "the one" too obvious but then again maybe it is since we don't "expect" it whatever happens i am sure it will be great!
"Wallace" is not Walt. All the names on the compass go by last name. Walt's last name is Lloyd. His father Michael's last name is Dawson. Walt's adopted father's last name is Porter.
And if you insist on saying Wallace is his first name, well, its not. Walt is short for Walter, not Wallace. This was stated in the show, and face it, Walt is never short for Wallace.
Also, Jacob essentially said that 108 on the compass was not important. They were just sent there to get them out of the temple and for Jack to realize his importance.
On another note, I like what someone said above about the flash-sideways being their lives if Jacob had never influenced their lives. The new timeline is not due to the bomb being detonated – it couldn't be. If the bomb sunk the island, Ben would be dead, for one. Second, blowing up bombs doesn't sink islands.
The alternate timeline is what would happen if the MiB influenced their lives instead of Jacob. Jacob and MiB are polar opposites – and they are this because Jacob is from the main timeline and MiB is from the flash-sideways timeline. Because they are from different worlds, this is why they cannot kill each other.
And the series will end with a "resetting" of the timeline – with a new Jacob from the main timeline and a new MiB from the flash-sideways timeline.
This is all very general and I haven't thought through it completely. But perhaps we will see MiB escape the island and get "home" – which is not the mainland per se, but this other timeline.
When I watch it...I am lost :p
I'm still wondering who the boy is that tells Locke "you know the rules" and what "rules", whose "rules", who made up the "rules".
bumpspeed – Have you actually watched any of the episodes this season? They've ALREADY answered some of the questions. We got to see the Temple that was only referenced in previous seasons. We now know that the mysterious numbers correspond to some of the survivors of Oceanic 815. We know that the Smoke Monster is the Man in Black. And we still have a couple months left. God almighty, do you really expect to have ALL of the answers handed to you on a silver platter right now?
loved reading all the comments / theories and realized a lot of things that I had missed or not thought about.
Lost is the best show ever!
I totally agree with the people who notice the
spelling errors, so FYI it's D-o-g-a-n!
I have watched LOST since the beginning, fortunately for me, I have not tried to figure what the writers are doing. I beieve it is an every episode adventure. Going anywhere they decide to go, with no purpose in mind. My only hope is, that somehow they can pull this all together and have it make some kind of sense. However, as many story lines that have going, it would probably take 2 more years to do that!! So I will just keep watching and see what happens.
Does anyone know who the NBA Announcer is/was that was a lost fanatic and would breakdown each episode? I remember his insights were spot on.
Smoke dude took sawyer to Jacob's name cave.
Jacob took Jack to smoke dude's name lighthouse.
Jacob doesn't want visitors to the island, so he let jack go monkey on it. Maybe next episode has Sawyer going monkey on the cave.
And I'm just thinking outloud here folks, so bear w/ me.... but how is it possible for Kate to be the mother of Jacks son in the alt time line? Isn't she still on the run from the authorities? Doesn't this kid have another house where he lives at w/ his mom (I thought they mentioned that) and that he only visits his dad once a month, so that would rule out Kate. I wouldn't rule out him being a love child of Juliet. Any thoughts?
I have no clue where all this is going but I can't wait to get there. This season rocks. All you haters, stop watching and stop posting here. If you hate the show so much don't even read about it!!!
I'm not sure Jack is the one though, it seems too easy an answer and too predictable, and this how has never been predictable.
Wait a minute!!!!
You mean to tell me that even though they tease me every week that they will start answering some question, they really aren't going to do that? But that is how it's always been and I thought that they had finally changed. And the show has been so successful doing this that I figured they would try something new.
OH HOW COULD I BE SO NAIVE TO THINK THAT I COULD CHANGE THE SHOW?
sounds oddly familiar.
Christian (Jack's father) is also Claire's father. So, hopefully, unless there is a really sick twist, he is not going to be the father of Clare's baby.
This season SUCKS!!!! Horrible writing. Leading in too many directions. This show has jumped many many sharks. It's lost me as a fan and a viewer.
The last scene will be Bob Newhart waking up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette telling her about this crazy dream he had about being on a plane that crashed on this island........
Greg: you are a genius.
leonard's last name is Sims. i personally think whoever was at 108 is insignificant, i think that was merely an easter egg and the only reason of last night was to show Jack the image of his childhood home.
I could be wrong, but maybe the Kwan that's listed isn't either Jin or Sun, but their child they conceived on the island. and who knows maybe that is who 108 is also.
Gotta love Hurley! He is a sweet boy. Jack is a spoiled brat.
Claire GAVE Aaron to Kate – did she forget that? Remind me tho, did she know at that point that they would leave the island, or could she have thought that was a temporary arrangement...
Gutsy says: "I think Kate's the mom...might explain Kate's guilt/caring for Claire who intended to give up her unborn child if she (Kate) had perhaps relinquished her maternal rights years earlier "
This is what I mean about people not being able to understand the time travel and the two existing timelines.
Jack's kid in yesterday's episode can't be Kate's, because in that alternate reality the kid is already in his teens, while Kate and Jack first saw each other on the plane to LA, just a few days before.
And in the original reality, Kate couldn't have felt any guilt about giving up this kid becuase they are two entirely separate realities that don't impact each other. (At least, not on obvious level ... but as others have suggested I expect they will intertwine some how).
And finally, the two realities unfolding now are not only separate from each other they are taking place in entirely different years.
The reality on the mainland is taking place 3 years before the one on the island ... just after the plane successfully landed, while in the other reality on the island the characters have crashed, lived on and off the island for 3 years, eaten well, and then skipped back and forth through time.
And the mainland reality is the result in a change of circumstances that took place way back in 1977 (apparently), not just since the time the plane should have crashed.
Can we go back to the previous episode and find out who 108 is from the ceiling where locke brought sawyer...I'll try that tonight
Ewww....Jason...you mean Jack's "adopted son", since Aaron is actually his nephew?
so carl can call "Americans" stupid, but I cannot respond?
The numbers also correspond to psalms...mostly all are songs of David, including 108. Saul was a Benjaminite whose kingdom David eventually took over. David became the King of Israel and fights against the Philistines (fight gainst Golaith), who at one time had a "god" named Dagon. BTW..Dagon is killed similarly to how Goliath is killed by David. Someone mentioned the lost kingdom of Edom/Esau (brother of Jacob). The Israelites were to have taken over the Edomites. Going back to Genesis, Jacob was the King of Israel and is brother Esau (also known as Edom). The center of the Philistine culture is the city of Ashdod (in modern Israel) where the Temple of Dagon existed. After capturing the Ark of the Covenant from the Israelites, the Philistines hid it in the Temple of Dagon.
I think the show will end with Hurley looking straight at the camera and say, "I want fries with that shake, dude."
Just joking. The series is awesome and there are lots of us at work that talk about the show after it has aired. Great conversation starter here.
Keep up the good work with the show!
Someone last week wrote that:
"Sawyer turns to Jack while sitting on the rock next to the ocean and says 'do you know how much I want to kill you' "
This is how it is going to end, I could bet on it. What goes around comes around and those two are just the latest incarnation of some cosmic end-game that perpetually continues.....
Ok, I've read most of the comments here and to TRY to make this brief, let me just say that I do agree that MIB is actually the GOOD GUY and Jacob the manipulator is the BAD GUY. There are way too many small connections and loops to be able to review in one comment, however while thinking on this 108= Wallace detail, I seem to recall that Leonard's last name may have been Wallace.
Leonard was the man in the institution who constantly repeated the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, the man Hurley got the numbers from to begin with. I'm not positive about this, but I'll refer back to my earlier season dvd's to find out if this is a fact. If Wallace is in fact Leonards last name, then that would be a really interesting twist. Also, keep in mind the episode when Hurley questions reality and almost throws himself off a cliff, at the very end of that episode, we see Hurley sitting in the institution, and guess who's in the same room with him? A brunette Libby! I sincerely hope that "Lost" isn't simply the crazy lucid dreams of a man in an institution, that man being Hurley.
I'd be really disappointed as I enjoy the religion versus science, fate versus free will theories much more than the theory of a crazy mans lucid dreams. Well, I guess this wasn't a brief comment after all...
Waiting week to week is SO hard....we've decided in our house that we'll wait until it's 20 minutes into the show. we have it recording on DVR...so we turn it on at 9:20 and then we get to FF thru the commercials. hey, we still have to wait week to week, but at least we don't suffer thru commercials. :)
I loved this episode. I have been having the best time watching this last season. I've yet to be disappointed this year.
Could Wallace be a reference to Walt? Just sayin... he hasnt been around much lately...
I'M FREAKING OUT MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was Smokey inpersonating Alex Rousseau-Linus and Eko's brother Yemi? I'm reasonably sure that it was. I had by this point assumed thet Smokey was impersonating Christian Shepard too. However, Claire said she wasn't alone, she was with her father and friend (Smokey). Since she didn't confuse Smokey-Locke as Locke one would assume that she'd know a Smokey-Christian wasn't her dad.
Also Jack saw Christian off the island, which would be unlikely to make him Smokey since it is bound to the island.
Throw in the whole my-dad-isn't-in-his-coffin with Jack at the cave and we're left with.... what?
Is Christian a zombie like Sayid? Doubtful. Was he ever really dead? He's missing across two realities. Head.. hurts.
The most entertaining part of this blog is all of the people who are posting about how LAME the show is and how it should have been CANCELLED and it's sooo UNREALISTIC. um, can i ask an obvious question? WHY ARE YOU READING THIS BLOG AND POSTING? lololol. thanks for the chuckle.
As for the Kwon that is the candidate, I posit that it is Jin. If so, you'll see in looking back at Season 5 that all five of the living candidates are in 1977. It makes sense in only the candidates that were on the Ajira flight went back in time – and Sun didn't.
I think Kate's the mom – makes sense for the mystery mom to be a central character of the show; kid sure looks like he could be hers; might explain Kate's guilt/caring for Claire who intended to give up her unborn child if she (Kate) had perhaps relinquished her maternal rights years earlier....
Can everyone calm down about the spelling of Kwan or Kwon? It's Korean and the writing doesn't always have a direct spelling translation. Maybe whoever wrote it in the cave didn't get it correct. Look at towns and neighborhoods.
Jamshil or Chamshil?
Kangnam or Gangnam?
Bundang or Pundang?
Let it go already.
From what I'm reading, those who are complaining about confusion and a lack of answers fall into two groups:
1) those who gave up a few seasons ago and are trying to catch up now (good luck)
2) those who just couldn't wrap their heads around the time travel thing, on top of the whole flashback / flash sideways narrative ...
These are the ones who post questions like "why have we never heard of Jack's son before," "Why is still Hurley still so fat?", "do you think that older woman Jack was talking to is Kate?", and complain that they can't tell where or when the story is at any given time, because it jumps around so much. Regardless of how much they watch the show, they just can't get a complex story and are truly "lost."
These are the ones who want to ditch the alternate universe story line and just get down to business about telling a straight forward story in a simple linear way that leads directly to a clear cut ending.
What I don't understand is why, after 6 years, would they think the show would start doing this now?
I love LOST, even the crappiest episodes ever (I'm talking to you Nikki and Paolo) were better than pretty much anything else on TV. I let it wash over me, absorb it, dissect it, talk about it, read about it, all in all I get a lot of bang for my buck! It's entertainment that isn't just an hour a week, it's a lot more than that! I hope the 2 timelines merge at some point, like Jacob's book "All things that rise must converge" and everyone will have some sort of resolution. It's LOST so it won't be happy endings all 'round, but closure is hoped for at least :) I can't thank the writers/producers enough for giving me 108 hours of BLISS!! thanks! (ps jack's baby mama?? the kid's blue eyes...I'm thinkin' Dr. Juliet Burke..uhhhmmm)
I believe 108 is Walt. Didn't he and his dad, Michael, leave the island on a heading of 108 degrees?
In previous seasons Ben and Richard had files on passengers from 815. Are we led to believe that this information was compiled by Jacob and given to the others?
What bothers me is that they have all these opportunities to wrap up a lot of the smaller, nagging questions that have popped up throughout the series, yet they don't seem to be taking them. Although I'm sure they're bringing them back up in order to shed some light a little further on down the road.
But, let's take the cave scene from last night. What was the purpose of that scene, other than to remind viewers that "hey, Christian's body is still floating around somewhere" and that there were a couple of unidentified skeletons? How hard would it have been for Jack to find something like an old love letter, written by Bernard back in 1977, thus giving the viewers a cool little moment and confirming the bodies as being that of Rose and Bernard, who remained in the past and lived out the remainder of their lives with each other as they'd hoped? BOOM. Resolution to a character arc and an answer to a long-running question.
Instead we get 5 minutes of recap of stuff long-term viewers already know. (I also don't like the "poking" nature of the scene; half the fun of the show for me is piecing together the little clues and references, especially those that point to the early seasons.)
My point is that there's not a lot of time left to wrap up a lot of stuff, and I kind of feel that last night's ep was a lot of retread and heel-dragging. Cannot WAIT for the remaining eps though. I have every confidence the showrunners are gonna blow us all away.
The irony of someone posting on a Lost thread using the name "ihatelost" and calling everyone else "losers"...
I think Juliet is the mother of Jack's kid..!!!! Something tells me that they already have a history in the parallel timeline.. !! Anyone feels that way?
Definitely not a strong episode. Any show that focuses on Jack and has no Sawyer at all is already in trouble. Jack's struggles and temper are not a draw for me, although his sideways persona last night wasn't too bad.
Jeanine: if 108 is Wallace and that is Walt's full name, then why is he the only person whose 1st name is down? Everyone else is listed by last name. I'm not saying it isn't him, just pointing out inconsistancy.
I want them to somehow bring back Farraday. His ramblings were entertaining.
How is this show still on. I would say the only people who watch it are stoned but even they wouldn't find it cool, funny, interesting, or remotely entertaining. Please for the love of all that is holy get rid of this stupid, stupid how. My god The show should have been over after the first week of season 1. All it is is survivor on a cocktail of crack and acid with a dash of insanity! And if you say you know whats going on you are a bold face lair!!! You are just trying to look cool (even though it is the studest show ever) and smart. LOSERS!!!!!
Duuh, why is Hurley still fat?
Please people, it's Television!!! It's not suppose to be real!!
Why are 80% of the ladies on the show beautiful people!?! – so we'll watch it (dummies).
Took a break from reading this blog.....tool care of real life things, like laundry and cleaning on my day off from work. lol
first, I haven't even viewed tues. show ..yet..its on the DVR. will view it by tomorrow.
until then......... Where's the kwon baby? whats happening with claire's baby? Have we yet seen baby kwon this season?
my opinion? what we are seeing IS NOT really the point. its what we arent really paying attention to is where the writers are headed.
then again, with all our responses...we as non- tv writers are giving the LOST writers added tidbits. we the people are writing the scripts for LOST, tee-hee.
technology is great isnt it?
Life itself is too serious for us to permit fantasy AS IF IT WERE REAL, and not just entertainment!
I for one, have been a LOSTEER from the first show, and for entertainment, will view the final episode.........unless I'm realy an actor on the show! lol
keep up the work lost!
It's getting irritating how a character, like Ben, can be a dominating, manipulating force for a season or two and is just cast aside. This show is impossible to solve.
I wouldn't be surprised if, in the last episode, they show Bob Newhart in bed, waking up and saying he had a crazy dream.
Oh, and enough about "shirtless Sawyer". Bring back Linus's daughter, TANIA RAYMONDE! The ladies on this show are sooo beautiful!
I stopped CARING or being interested. The producers are just trying to make it fit into a tidy show and keep convoluting it further.
The Olympics are real–this is garbage for a stupid American populace.
I think the writers are very creative, but I KNOW the end will not be as satisfying as we all hope it too be. There's just too many things to answer and not enough episodes left.
I'm a "part time" fan of the show – there's nothing else on Tuesday nights
Sam – heck of a coincidence that both LOST and Supernatural are coming to and end this season in seemingly apocolyptic ways?
How is this for a brain teaser – not only does 4+8+15+16-23+42=108, but also 4+8-15-16-23+42 = 0.
Oh, and Michael Dawson and his baby mama Susan Lloyd are the parents of Walt. Susan later married Brian Porter. So, I'm just not seeing "Wallace" there
I also saw a Chinese Temple in the mirror. Did anyone else see that?
So 23+4 (locke and jack?)
Plus 8 (hurley)
Plus 16 (sayid)
which leaves out Sawyer and Kwon, who will die anyways.
there, all figured out.
Why do the people who review Lost episodes know absolutely nothing about Lost? Or (even worse) how to work a DVR. Most of the things you're stuck on have already been explained. Also – sorry you hate Jack and therefore this episode. Doesn't mean you have to author a crappy review.
Oh such a side note but that actor who plays Jacob is playing the devil on Supernatural.
Just wanted to mention the bottle of MacCutcheon 60 on the bar when Jack's mother went over to get a drink. It's popped up frequently throughout the various seasons.
108 is Wallace. Walt's full name. Here we go....
Beverly, Jin has not gotten off the island since the crash. The flash where we saw him at the hospital was when his boss's daughter had a baby. Sun gave birth, alone, in the hospital; Jin was still on the island.
I'm still seeing 'mirroring' – does anyone else? Rousseau, trapped on the island, seeking her lost baby, infected with the whatever; Claire, trapped on the island, seeking her lost baby, infected with the whatever.
Obviously, Locke's father didn't push him out a 8th floor window (his fiancee talked about inviting her parents and his father to a quiet wedding), but Locke is paralyzed anyway. In the alternate reality, are the outcomes the same – but how those outcomes were reached different? Does that make any sense?
Lost is lost but I still like it. All I want to know is what Richard’s role is is in all this and why Locke/MIB whatever said it was good to see him (Richard) without chains before he punched him.
Richard is not so good or neutral since he was part of the mass- murder of the DARMA group.
Jacob not so good either since he manipulated all these people to this island in the first place and then let them hang.
MIB has killed people too... that nice young drug dealer who turned religious and devout – killed and that pilot who get eatten by that bird thingy.
To me it's evil verse more evil which is ok cause it is all for fun.
I think there's an alternate universe. the flash back is really forwards. this is how they are living in the present time. the lives on the island is the past. i think jack is jacob guy for the island, and it's going to go down between the evil locke and jack to control the island. but what's up with jack has a son? you could be the mother, his first wife maybe?? i love this show!!!
i dont remember ever knowing Jacob's last name... do you think his last name could be wallace??? #108 is all the numbers together, since he is "responsible" for bringing them all to the island.
It's Michelle Kwan! :o
Its LOST!!!! its not supposed to say HEY THIS IS REALITY LOL
Keep Saywer shirtless, Unkill Charlie, let Jack be "good ole Jack" and keep us guessing until the end
I find it interesting that MIB keeps going out of his way to tell everyone that Jacob manipulates everyone, yet he has been manipulating everyone since the beginning. So does MIB represent destiny and Jacob represent free-will?
Locke had a few encounters with MIB, once as the smoke monster and I also believe that MIB was the ghostly figure trapped in the cabin when he and Ben went there and stuff started flying around.
I think I figured LOST out. I think the others are Edomites. They disappeard sometime in the time BC. They have connections to egypt, where they disappeared. Like the cave tunnel that Ben used when he was banned and ended up in the red desert. And the religious connections are there too. The Bible identifies Esau as the fraternal twin brother of Jacob, the grandson of Abraham. Jacob became the father of the Israelites after God (Genesis 35:10) renamed Jacob "Israel." The man in black is Esau. Just check out this wiki page and tell me I am not crazy of the connection.
Love Jack! I hope he ends up a good guy like the alternate Jack and not a loser as was hinted by his drunken behavior in previous seasons! Wish Juliette hadn't died! Love Sawyer, dislike Kate! I too hope we get answers and they start soon! I will so miss this show when it is over..........
I have thought this before, but until my gf said it out loud during the lighthouse scene last night did I convince my self that alot of ideas for Lost come for the "Myst" and "Riven" computer games.
Here's a theory for you.
The "sideways" flash with all of the changes (Locke with Helen and planning to marry her, Jack with teenage son, Ben a history teacher, Ethan a doctor, Hurley being "cool" with his luck/success) is a view of their lives without Jacob's influence. Remember in the first episode this season, the island is under water, so we can assume, no Jacob, no MIB, no need to "save" the island. If "fake" Locke can be believed (when he tells Sawyer), Jacob was influencing their decisions to "lead" them to the island as "candidates". Now we're getting a chance to see what their lives would be like without Jacob. Is it a coincidence that all of their lives seem to be "better" without Jacob.
I have to vehemently disagree with people saying that there are too many questions being left unanswered. First of all, the series isn't over yet. And the show has been answering a LOT of questions over the past few seasons. For example, we now know who the "smoke monster" is (Man in Black); we know what the giant foot on the beach was; we know that the numbers now refer to select Oceanic 815 survivors. Do I expect every single question and mystery to be wrapped up? No I don't. Some of these questions will probably go unanswered. Sure, I'd love to see what was so special about Walt. But not having that question resolved isn't going to take away from what is shaping up to be one of the best TV series I've watched.
A lot of people had the same problem with the "Sopranos". Another brilliantly written series, yet people were mad because they never resolved what happened in the Pine Barrens, Dr. Melfi's attacker, etc. Some people get so tied up on every single little detail that they just can't enjoy the overall show.
Ha!! The comments about Hurley are cracking me up. Did it occur to anyone that maybe the actor who plays Hurley refuses to lose weight for the show? Or maybe he can't? I think as one poster said, the big finale will be that Hurley will turn into a 99 cent bag of cheetoes to be eaten by Claire's kid Aaron in the alternate "off-the-island" timeline.
Ok, seriously now. I like the Judeo-Christian angle as it definitely seems like there is a Good vs Evil dynamic to this show. However, I think since they have to drag the show out to a certain number of episodes as part of contractual obligations they throw a bunch of stuff in that are really not relevant to the story.
I thought the "loophole" used by the Fake Locke guy was really interesting and starting to make the show interesting, and then the next episode arrived. It looks to me like every other show is either good or sucks, depending on when you start watching. This may be on purpose. There is a definite duality to this show, as there is in life, "to be, or not to be"... binary math in computer science, night and day... etc...
It's an interesting show, good thing I take it for what it is, entertainment... although someone said that there are 47 minutes of show with the rest being commercial... it seems more like 40 minutes worth of show and 20 of commercial.
The summary leaves out a couple of important points.
Austen – 51 is on the wheel and isn't crossed out. Wallace – 108 is on the wheel but is crossed out. Perhaps Wallace is no longer important.
The "baby" looks similar to the statue where Jacob was before it was destroyed. The statue was the Egyptian goddess of fertility and birth.
Jack has a memory lapse about his appendix scar, suggesting that he has some sort of connection to both timelines, just like the mysterious blood on his neck on the airplane.
I like Ben, but I'm happy not to have another Locke-centric or Sawyer-centric episode. We've had too many of those lately.
You are all wrong – the name at 108 is a harbinger of a inter-network cross over with ABC and NBC.
Wallace is obviously David Wallace, displaced C-suite member of bankrupt Dunder Mifflin on NBC's The Office.
He is coming to the island to bring the two shows together and create the most-watched TV event in history.
Don't believe me? Count the number of episodes of The Office...# 108 is fast approaching...
In the Bible, Jacob is a liar, manipulator and thief. So here's a new twist...
Smokey & Jacob are brothers; Jacob stole the island from Smokey (as Jacob in the bible stole Esau's blessing and birthright). Smokey's pissed and that's why he killed him (which Esau vowed to do to his Jacob). Smokey wants Jacob's people dead or off the island so he can restore the natural order of things. Then he wants to leave the island and go home (which he said himself a couple episodes ago).
From there, take it where you will...
Gotta love the comments from folks who stopped watching the show because they supposedly lost interest, yet feel the need to obsessively read and comment on the synopses every week! Concerning the show and the likely new character (#108), "Wallace," I wonder if we'll discover he/she is also named after a famous philosopher or scientist, perhaps William Wallace the Scottish philosopher, or Alfred Russell Wallace, a scientist and contemporary of Darwin who also espoused the theory of evolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wallace_(Scottish_philosopher) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace
I am so afraid that this is all heading to a Vanilla Sky ending. I just don't know if any ending can live up to the mental hype so many of us have built up.
I have not read all of the comments, so if this repeats a previous post I do apologize.
We have been so ingrained to think that white=good and black=bad that we assume that MIB/fake Locke is evil. Lost has thrived on showing that everything is not as it seems. Maybe this too is another example.
Jacob is the only one that we have seen off the island influencing people. Maybe that was him "recruiting" people to destroy the island or MIB. MIB then uses the people that Jacob has brought to show Jacob that they are not all bad. A kind person would not kill a defenseless person (Ben killing Jacob). But, a person who has been made to question his beliefs could be led to do just that.
MIB/fake Locke has killed (inside base of statue) but that was only when the men openned fire on him. Richard Alpert told the people outside the statue to lower their guns because he knew they would be fine if the choose to not act and would die if the did. My only explanation for Richards apparant fear of MIB is that he has been falsely led to believe as many of us do, white=good and black=bad. Jacob has manipulated people into false beliefs while MIB has used what has been dealt.
Random and probably wrong, but a thought no less.
Tom: Jack's appendix scar was on the right side, it was on the left side in the mirror.
Hurley had access to lots of food during the course of the show. There was boar, fish, and fruit on the island. There were Dharma food drops and food in the Swan Hatch. There was food in the Dharma village where he stayed for part of a season. Then he was off the island for 3 years where he could have eaten as much as he wanted.
As someone said earlier, the writers have known from the beginning where the story was going to end up. They may have had to make up some things along the way, but the general story idea was in place.
I don't understand why people are saying they aren't answering any questions this season. They have been answering many questions.
I like the idea of Wallace being Ilana's last name.
I'm Lost Without You: The writer's were going to have Jack die early on when they were planning on having a big name star play him who would only want to stay on the show briefly. After they signed Matthew Fox, they discarded the idea of killing him off early.
Ryan G: The coffin was not untouched at the caves. It was smashed.
The popups on the rerun episodes are not to explain the show because its confusing. They are to bring insights to the show that you may have missed.
My thoughts for the final scene of the final episode of Lost. I think it will mimic the opening scene of the season 5 finale. Locke will have taken over for Jacob and Ben will have taken over for MIB. The final line of the series will be Ben saying to Locke "Do you know how much I want to kill you?".
Lost is my favorite show of all time. I will miss it greatly when it is gone.
If you guys recall the numbers Hurley won the lottery by, these are them.
4 – Locke
8 – Reyes
15 – Ford
16 – Jarrah
23 – Shephard
42 – Kwon
So far, Locke, Ford and Jarrah have been compromised. Locke is currently MIB, Ford is MIB's next target and Jarrah seems to have been infected. That leaves Reyes, Shepard and Kwon(I'm assuming this is Jin and not Sun) as candidates to be the next Jacob. Only problem is that MIB/fake Locke now have Kwon and will be taking him back to the temple. According to Jacob, it is too late to save the people in the temple so it means Jin might die...So that leaves Hurley and Jack as possible Jacob replacements versus MIB/fake Locke and Ford as replacements for MIB...I'm sure Desmond will make his way back to the island and take over the button pushing duties which inturn might keep MIB trapped on this island. I still have yet to figure out where Kate fits into all this...maybe Kate is supposed to help Jack become Jacob where as Claire will be helping MIB kill off all of Jacob's replacements.
According to MIB/fake locke, each candidate has 3 options, stay until you get crossed out(killed?), take over and become the new Jacob, or leave. So this still leaves Sun, Ben, and some smaller characters alive on the island. Not sure where Sun will be fitting into this whole thing. But maybe Ben will be taking over Richards duties? Also, it looks like Miles will die at the temple since MIB is making his way over there.
Man, sorry for the rant but I havent talked to any of my friends about Lost since the episode so I need to let it out...Love this show!
i don't think anyone's mentioned that jack's appendix scar was still there in the alternate timeline, even though he had the appendectomy on the island. that's showing convergence of the timelines
also, any coincidence that the slave ship was called the black rock, and the MIB was symbolized on the scale in the cave by a black rock ("inside joke")? i have no idea if coincidence, but it seems like very few things on the show are true coincidences. MIB also said to alpert something about alpert not being in chains. were they both (even jacob too?) on or somehow related to the slave ship? after all, MIB said that he used to be a man
ok, so , does anyone remember the long ago episode when Jack got a tatoo on his arm. think he was in Thailand or someplace like that. haven't seen the tatoo on his arm since. what's up with the tatoo?
Jin was not at the hospital when Sun was giving birth. She thought she saw him but it was not really him.
The Oceanic Six were only on the island for 108 days. However, what happened on the island, and in all the flashbacks, does not exist in the alternate reality The current reality Jack doesn't have a kid. The alternate reality started 30 years ago when Juliette supposedly blew up the island.
Okay, did anyone else find it strange that Hurley, of all people, didn't notice the names with the numbers????
if you want to know whats going on with lost. google " social contract" the work of " homer" the " bible", and king james aka sawyer. the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42= 108 right and this is 108 represent the computer desmond was puching in the number. he was sending a stress signal to the 6 who went back to the island. yes these 6 was pre chosen. each number represent each one. jack is 23.
They promised answers and we only have more questions. Why was this kid never brought up in the years on the island or when the Oceanic Six returned? Does anyone remeber Jin getting off the island and showing up at the hospital when Sun had the baby – how did he get off and back? I have a bad feeling that the final episode will be back on the plane and someone dreamed it all and we'll have no answers because there aren't any.
Jack's wife in the alternate reality is Juliet. My guess is that- and bear with me- that the only thing that could have been different in his life prior to the 815 flight (and lead to a son) is that someone else that was originally on the island before his arrival (thus not in his life before) is now in his life some other way (e.g., Ben is a teacher with Locke, Ethan is Claire's doctor). In other words, he could have married a female Other since she was never on the island to begin with. I assume Juliet for obvious watercooler talk reasons
Could Wallace be Walt the son of Michael from the first season.... What was so speical about him... Maybe we will find out.
I don't know... Everyone seems to want answers right now. I think the show would be horrible if it spent every episode wrapping it all neatly in a bow.
I am frustrated with this season, but no more so than every other. That's what makes it such a great show – it keeps you watching, waiting. Some people are obviously angry – but you're still watching.
I enjoy the show. I try not to think too much about it. I didn't freeze the screen to figure out who was at 108 degrees. Does it really matter? Is Wallace important or do all of the remaining candidates play a significant role in replacing Jacob?
The show is great. I'm going to sit back and enjoy. I'll complain IF the series winds up with one big depressing thud. It could happen. I have my suspicions. But if they wrap it up right... That could happen as well. It may take time and therapy to digest it all when it is over but it has been worth the ride so far.
Jack was married at one time (to the woman whose spine he operated on so she could walk again), and divorced before he left for Australia. It is easily conceivable than in this alternate timeline, that Jack and his wife had a child.
Also, if Benjamin Linus can be a school teacher where Locke is a substitute, it is not too farfetched that Dogan also has a life on the mainland in the alternate time.
I don't care about that supposed alternate timeline! What's even more annoying is how the writers needlessly connect everybody ( example: Ben teaching at the same school as Locke, Dogen as a random audience member ). NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS!
Lost is the best show on network TV. Aside from maybe the office and big bang, is there another show on the major networks that’s worth watching? Yes, it’s confusing, but it’s supposed to be. Over the last two or three seasons it has answered a bunch of questions. Remember in the first season when Locke found the hatch door…wow look how far we’ve come! Last year’s season finale was fantastic – I put it second only to the season 2 finale of Deadwood. Enjoy it while you can because our brains will turn to mush next year when all we’ll have to watch is american idol and survivor.
Ofcourse, down here in Mexico where I watch the show, it´s even more complicated b ecause are seasons are different, interruptions galore, repetitions dismaying and in the end, I thin ALLOF US have been wasting our time!, Sad conclusion
I'm seeing two camps of people posting: the ones who want to see loose ends tied up and questions answered and the others who want to live in the moment and surf the experience (closure, who needs closure). When someone spins a story for the visual arts or a book, you expect them to do a good job of it and that includes providing a satisfactory ending. I've watched Lost from the beginning with the simple faith that the writers will pull it together for us eventually. I started to lose that faith with obvious mis-steps such as Nicki and Paolo. By the time this season has rolled around, I am watching in order to be a witness to the apocalyptic crash and burn of all our forlorn hopes that I just know is coming. Proper long-term story arcs can be done, look at Babylon 5. The Lost writers have made a hash of it, and while I will watch Lost to the bitter end, when they start their new series ("Coming the Saturday, a new series by the creators of Lost: Found!) they aren't going to be signing my dance card.
Michael... Jack was looking into a mirror. That's why the scar appeared to be on his left side.
Mambo – #108 High Adventure.....Death to the laughing clown by Robert WALLACE.........discuss –> Awesome post.
And not for nothing...but doesn't anyone (fan or not) think its pretty cool that there are so many connections to the # 108 in real life? Writing gone crazy or not, to be ABLE to create like this is amazing.
Ok, here's a stretch........
one can say that many little things indicate a sort of 'religious' connection is being created. The Adam-Eve, numbers (a book in the Bible). Those, if believing, are aware of Noah's Ark. The world was first destroyed by water- save Noah's family. In the end...the world will be destroyed by fire..(hence the bomb explosion)....and all the 'living' people on the island–shall become the new beginning of civilization-the deadback to the living is to inject thoughts into the now 'living' people...
In the Bible..........evil will again be unleashed for a number of years.........until eternity shall begin...
we can all add our own thoughts...like the writers of any show....hence its all in one's imagination...
if the story in the end is so compelling......then all from the beginning to the end, all will make sense...even little details one may have forgotten or simply missed.
I for one am treating this series as a book, some scenes may appear boring.yet after finishing the book, I at times..have had to retrace some chapters to finally saying "ahhhh"
If there are so many of you who gave up on this show seasons ago because you don't understand it, why are you still reading these articles and junking up the feed with your whining. Go away if you don't like it and stay away. If it were boring I guess you would like it...?
The series will end just like it started... with a close up of Jacks eye opening up. Which will warrant the question of was it all a bad dream or is it just a recurring nightmare. Groundhog Day revisited.
Here is my take.. I think Smokey/Bad Locke is the reason for the island needing protected... to keep him there because of the harm he could do if he ever left. Also to protect the island from outsiders if they found out it has majical powers of any kind. The role of Jacob and the new "candidate" is to keep MIB/Smokey/Bad Locke from escaping the island. For some reason Smokey needs recruits to help with his plan to escape. Even though we have come to like Sayhid and Sawyer, they have done some really bad things and karma can get you. It seems like they are still lining up good vs evil.. the MIB recruits the less in character, Jacob the good. There is usually a final battle of Good vs. Evil so I expect that to come.
Jacob for some unknown reasons found and touched each of the Oceanic passengers to place some mental inclination to take the flight at the same time to get them to the island together.
What the sideways version is playing out, and how or if the two converge, I cannot figure out.
Why does Locke seem to slip in&out of "Locke"?????
Tom and Michael – Jack was looking into the mirror. The scar was on his right side.
Was the Wallace name crossed out on the list? Maybe Wallace is Jacob's last name?
Jack's 'appendix' scar was on the wrong side of his body...the appendix is on the Right side, his scar was on his left...
Lost has become the poster child for writing gone mad. Clearly, the title now refers to the creative team behind this mess.
Sherron – The Losties (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun...) got off the island after being stranded for 108 days (this number shows up again!). Hurley then spent 3 years in the U.S. where he had plenty of food.
Adam – It's "parallel" and It's "Sayid." Why are you wasting your time bashing Lost when you don't know anything about it.
The writers will answer the questions that matter. If you love Lost, sit back and enjoy the next 11 episodes because it will be over before we know it.
I have watched all seasons save for the final four episodes of Season Five, so I may be more "lost" than most who post here. And I really need to see those four episodes, it appears. The repeated versions, with sub-captions, DOES help me put pieces together. I have also read almost all previous posts on this site & topic.
That said, it would seem reasonable that the creators / writers / producers would have wanted, and are going, to deal with powerful, universal themes, the "biggie" being Good vs. Evil and, as they are probably Christian or Jewish (no pun intended), with God vs. the devil – and here, I do apologize to Buddhist, Hindus, Muslims and all indigenous tribes across the globe.
That said, and aided by other posters and their fascinating theories, is it illogical/stupid (and I'm sure if this gets posted, I'll hear from a goodly number of fans) to see the smoke monster as the devil who is recruiting souls for his harmful machinations and very much wants to escape the island so he can spread this evil; and Jacob as Jesus, protecting the world ("outside" the island) from this manifest evil. I know what you'll be asking: "Why is Jacob looking for his replacement?" I have wondered that also and have not figured out that part, i.e., why is a replacement necessary? Perhaps those readers with a much better grounding in the Scriptures can assist me in this puzzlement, including whether the name "Jacob" is significant in my hypothesis vis a vis Scriptural teachings.
Well ... thanks for reading this. And if I am full of s – – – , please be tactful when you tell me that.
Jack's appendix surgery scar is on the left side. Appendix is on the right side and thats where he had surgery on the island.
Hey, Mark...Im with you. What happened to Charles Whitmore?
Walt is not 108...this I am sure of. I you will remember from the first season, he had a baby arm growing out of his head. Kate is Satan as told by Jacobs gay lover in episode Doyle Tammy Dick Fuji, season 3. Hurley will turn into a 99 cent bag of cheetos in final episode as predicted by Jack's stool from the toilet of downed Oceanic Flight x157. In the second season, episode 5, titled "Jimmy Sales Destruction Team", Hurley was raped by the smoke monster and Jack found him and took his pants and deposited them and its sweet contents and "human being" in the back seat of Greggo's blue van, amongst Whataburger wrappers that denoted gluttony.
From what I can tell:
15 – Ford (Sawyer)
16 – Jarrah (Sayid)
20 – Rousseau (Danielle or Alex?)
23 – Shepherd
42 – Kwon (Jin or Sun?)
51 – Austen (eh? why is Kate in 51?)
117 – Linus (Ben or Roger?)
124 – Wallace (Michael or Walt?)
Wallace was definitely at 108. I don't remember a character with a last name of that though?? Desmond has to come back though and I'm sure he'll bring with him a triangle of Ben and penelope's father. I hope we start getting some answers soon!! Obviously Jacob picked these people to be on the island because he was scoping them out since children...but what for?? I know that Jacob kept this black smoke from killing the others on the island and now that Jacob is dead – the black smoke is coming to the others to kill them. Seriously – I want Jack and Kate to end up together, Sawyer and the blonde, and Jin and Kwon to find each other again and have lots of children. Is that too much to ask??
The last 5 minutes of this show (Finale) will be one survivor on the beach, with all of the people from the flight dead. The survivor dealing with sheer boredom from being there for such a long period of time, has been telling / making up stories on each dead person he see's on the beach. None of the loose ends will need to be tied up, cause the show will end with the sole survivor being rescued, and you will know the stories were all made up, only to pass the time while they (the survivor) was "Lost"...The End.
Did anyone notice Jack's photos with his father at the start of the episode? The man in the picture was not the same actor who played Jack's father in all of the previous seasons. Is this another "sideways" difference in the story or is that the actor, John Terry, is no longer on the payroll?
I bet "Wallace" is the name of MIB/fake locke. When we first see both of them MIB says to Jacob "I don't need to ask them why they are here, you brought them here".... this also might explain why they had to press the button every 108 minutes- to keep MIB contained (just a thought). I agree with the theory that at the end of the series both timelines will end up mashing together for those that fulfill their destiny on the island. I also agree with the theory that MIB is recruiting Sawyer and that Jacob is recruiting Jack for an ultimate showdown at the end (Sawyer already wants to kill Jack over Juliet). I also feel like Walt has to come back and make an appearance to explain his "gift", leaving this unanswered would definitely piss me off. (For the record Walt's last name is "Lloyd", so he is not "Wallace" and neither is Desmond, or Widemore or Eloise, or any other person that everyone has been thinking it is, it is someone new)
I was referring to those who stopped watching the show years ago. Obviously they have the right to post – I never said they didn't. But don't expect those of us who have been watching the show from the very beginning to take their opinions seriously.
i have been watching the series since it started 6 years ago, i feel they named this show correctly, LOST. I think i have been lost for the last few seasons, then they add different people that we have never seen in the final season. I think most of our questions wil go unanswered, and will create more questions after it is all over. Make room for a new series called "Still Lost".
Here is my take on it.
1) Hurley left the island for 3 years, so yes, he can still appear to be overweight.
2) Jack is going to end up taking Jacob's place, and Sawyer will end up taking MIB/Smoke Monster's place. They will be stuck on the island for a very long time, just as MIB ans Jacob have.
3) I am wondering if Richard is something like Jacob and MIB, but a neutral party. He never ages, and has interacted with the main characters when they were very young. Richard can also leave the island like Jacob can.
4) When Juliette set off the bomb (if that is what actually happened), it was 30 years in the past. If the alternate time line was created at that point, then a lot of things could have changed during that time, like Jack having a child, etc.
5) I don't see Jacob as being the bad guy here. Locke/MIB is too quick to go on killing sprees, not something that a good guy would do.
6) I really don't see the island time line end and the alternate time line becoming the new official time line. That to me would be like the infamous dream sequence of Dallas, essentially making the last 6 years like it never happened. That is way too much of a cop out for my tastes.
7) I also don't think Juliette exploded the bomb. If that happened, then there would be just a huge crater where the bomb went off. Since the hole she fell into is the source of some large magnetic energy source, her pounding on the bomb case could have triggered a reaction with the energy source that caused a rupture in the time/space continuim, therby creating the two time lines. Also, if the bomb did go off, and it was powerful enough to sink the island, then there wouldn't have been any landmarks left for us to identify the island as shown in the first episode of this season.
And for a few quick personal opinions. I prefer episodes that are based on Locke and Ben characters. Their stories and backgrounds are a lot more interesting. As for Veronica Hamel, time has not been good to her. Her face reminded me of Joan Rivers, who has been under the knife way too many times. Again, that is just my opinion.
Anyone care to explain the significance of the number 108 and I-Ching/Taoist hexagrams symbols all over the island and on Dharma logo how it really relates to story of Lost
I know 108 is significant in almost every religion on earth (prayer beads), but how does it relate to story line of Lost?
For the curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hexagrams_of_the_I_Ching
64 Hexagram = half of 108...
It is intimately entrenched into most Asian cultures, but I do regret never researching into the subject when i was young...
Wallace isn't 108. The name Wallace is listed next to 08.
WHY IS KATE NOT WRITTEN ON THE WALL IN THE CAVE?
ANTHONY...I TOTALLY AGREE..I THINK 108 IS WALT WALLACE...MICHAEL WALLACE WAS HIS FATHER....THANKS ANTHONY!!
My husband made a comment about how Hurley can stay that big after being on the island for so many years. It's not like he can eat a high calorie diet on the island like he can off the island. Also, with the running around, trekking through the jungle, etc, you would think he would have slimmed down!
#108 High Adventure.....Death to the laughing clown by Robert WALLACE.........discuss
Dawn – When you have DVR you can just fast forward the bad parts. Continue posting.
108 is an important number in Dharmic religions.
I personally have a strong suspicion that the alternate reality is there because there needs to be a reality for the characters to return to once a candidate has been found. The point of everyone coming to the island is to find a canidate to protect it, and perhaps once that candidate has been chosen, everything will return to "normal" for the characters. Or ...... because "the man in black" who is disguised as Locke right now believes that the island doesn't need a protector, maybe the series will end that the island is forgotten and nobody is left to protect it. Who knows .... it's all speculation really. All in all, an amazing show.
Why is it that Sawyer is the only one getting some action. He's banged like 4-5 chicks on the island and no one else has got any? Guess he's the writers favorite guy.
You know...if I were watching a show that wasn't enjoying, I think I would change the channel.
I didn't even watch last night's episode. But I'm sure I can still talk about it, you know since we are jumping though time parrell dimensional universes. Did I shay that right? Ya. Like Siad. Can't wait till he starts killing and torturing more people.
Tim – Why do you care what people post about Lost? Unless you are the producer, writers or an ABC exec you should not care what other people say about this show. Fact is most fans of Lost has been fans since Season 1, Day 1. Now ABC hyped this season as it's last that will provide ALL the answers. So forgive us who think the show suck but still watch because we want to know what the payoff is. And it's our right to get on a website and blog if we don't like the show. Point being? Don't get so bent out of shape about other's opinions of a show that you have nothing personal to do with.
Does Jack's kid not look like Kate as a young boy???
In this fan's mind "LOST" boils down to good-vs-evil (Jacob-vs-MIB). With that said and expanding on above comments, who is really good and who is really evil? With the twist and turns that "LOST" is known for Jacob could be evil and tricked Jack into breaking the lighthouse mirrors to prevent the ship from finding the island or could it be to prevent MIB(Locke) from leaving the island. Maybe MIB(Locke) is evil and kills everyone at the temple leaving only a few characters to simplify and tie up the loose ends of the show.
Claire is mentioned in Christian's will and turns out to be Jack's half sister. Dogen did tell Jack that it (infection) happened to his sister.
I agree that Jack not remembering his surgury is an important clue, but to find out what it means we'll have to stay tuned.
Lost equals great television.
Stacey – it's been 3 years but Hurley spent most of them back in LA before he came back to the island again . . .
Few months, few years...doesn't matter. Point is, there is plenty of food on the island.
Here is what I think...as we saw on the cave Locke was #4 on the list as a replacement for Jacob. So the MIB went after him b/c he was the 4th best canidate. Who was next on that list...Ford! Guess who MIB is hanging around w/ now? Coincidence? And now he's w/ Jin (Kwon) who I believe was next on the list. My theory is that the MIB needs to elimanate all the potintial canidates in order to leave the island, so slowly but surely he's gathering them all up, which is also why Jacob needed to get Hurley and Jack out of the temple. B/C they are really the only two uncompromised canidates left.
But I agree with alot of you. We definately need to find out the place of Aaron and Walt b/c they were made out to be big deals in the first couple of seasons and both have been dropped to the wayside.
I'm amazed that so many people who say they hate Lost and are glad they quit watching it actually took the time to read this article and to read all of the comments and post their own.
BTW – just because Christian is Claire's father in the original story doesn't mean he is in the alternate timeline.
Anyone notice that Kate does not have a number and at the end of last season Jacob visited her as a kid? I think she is the undeclared candidate and she is the key to everything.
David Shepard's mother is Juliet. Jack and Juliet are divorced. Juliet will meet James. Jack will meet Kate.
Just my hummings!
I think Jacob is using Sayid to stay alive and stay in touch with Hugo. Only because he was at the water in the temple when Hugo went to go get food. And yes he is actually the evil entity even though he is considered the nice guy.
Karen- it hasn't been a few months it has been 3 years.
I am so tired of people complaining about not knowing what is going on or having answers! Watching Lost is like reading a great novel... Who would want to read a novel and know all the answers and the entire story after the first chapter or midway through the book... with a good book, you don't expect to understand everything and know the full story until the book ends. It's no different with Lost. I wish people would just relax and enjoy it and let them tell the story.
The name at 108 was "Wallace"
Thank you video recorder.
jheron-it can't be Kate b/c in that storyline, Jack just saw her on the plane. I definitely like the theory that someone had about the child being the woman who he kissed who was married. Especially after hearing the whole pianist connection...good catch.
What other dead people has Hurley spoken to? B/c I thought that the guy he spoke to in the institution was made up and then he finally realized that he wasn't real. Myles is the one that talks to dead people, so why can't Myles hear Jacob?
i think the point of the other timeline is to prove that everyone, no matter what happened, was destined to come in contact w/ each other. Whether it be a simple glance or a conversation. They were all destined to cross paths.
I'm still stuck on Eloise's comments to Desmond though. She told him it was his destiny to push that button on the island. So somehow, he has to get back to the island. Everyone keeps saying that 108 was Wallace so I don't see how Desmond can be connected to Wallace. Regardless, Jacob said that they'll find their way to the island anyways.
Another thing – there's only one character of any significance on the show whose last name has not been revealed. Perhaps Ilana's last name is Wallace, which might help serve as a segue into explaining her role and relationship with Jacob.
Why do all of you 'haters' need closure? Do you ALWAYS get closer in your reality? Wow... I want in on your world.
I think Wallace was the guy that brought the boat ?
This will be the Bob Newhart ending, it has to be.
I have loved this show for five years now, and have seen some episodes multiple times. I was a dedicated defender through five seasons. Last night, however, fifteen minutes into the episode, I had visions of Lindelof and Cuse riding a shark as it jumped over the cast. And I'm tired of Jack smashing things.
Not following why people keep saying that Locke/Smokey is not the MIB. When Locke entered the room under the statue, what did Jacob say to him? "You found your loophole". He didn't say "your master/leader/whatever found his loophole" – Locke/Smokey/MIB are one and the same.
I personally agree with the poster who said that Jacob is the bad guy in the end . . .
My theory is that the MIB has to stay on the island. Remember when Richard told Taylor "He will kill us all!" I think Jacob's job was to keep him on the island to protect humanity and the earth. The island is the one place where this entity can be contained. Jacob now has to find someone to take his place on island. Toward the end of the season we will see all of the major characters killed off and the final episode will be one of them against the MIB.
Rich – 1) Abrams was co-creator, but hasn't been showrunner on Lost for years. For good or bad, this is Cuse and Lindelof's show.
2) "Audience forgetfulness" is the opposite of Lost fandom, where every little detail is examined, every screen capture analyzed, and every snippet cataloged for later reference. Ever go to The Fuselage? Lostopedia? Even this comment section has brought up little details.
Lee – thank you so much for proving my point! You stopped watching after the 2nd season, and you expect to be able to understand what's going on now? What I don't understand is why you, and everyone else like you, insists on commenting on blogs like this. There are plenty of shows that I don't care for, but I don't spend my time reading and commenting on those.
108 is Wallace
No character has ever existed on the show with that last name and it was crossed off
Also, Kate Austen was number 51 and was not crossed off.
It was more important that Jack smashed the mirror and realized his importance.
Jheron- The woman that was older was jack's mom not his wife.
Tina- Claire is in Christian's will because she is his daughter he is not the father of her baby.
Sherron- I thought that about Hurley too. I would think after three years..........
Man I know the show is hard to follow sometimes but that last oone is a known fact. I love this show I don't care how crazy it gets it is always interesting and makes you think as opposed to all the no brainer shows out there
This show SUCK! At first it was pretty good, then became weird.
Other timeline story == who the bleep cares! Note: In the Hindu-Buddhist civilizational sphere, the number 108 is among the most sacred and appears as the true or fictitious cardinal number of all manner of philosophical sets and religious series
VERONICA HAMMEL from Hill Street Blues as Jack's Mother. What a thrill! Still sensuous and a bit resigned to life. And such a voice! Even in a few seconds of screen time she conveys a full characterization.
it's one thing to take the audience down one path and then the other and then yet another when the writers and creator know where things are headed. But lost (and the title says it all - joke on us) has just gotten silly. There are no story arcs it just keeps getting more aqnd more tangled. audiience confusion and forgetfulness are on the writers' side but i predict when the dvd sets come out and people watch the series from start to finish they will feel gibed. of course i could be wrong but based on the messed up story that was jj abrams version of star trek it seems apparent that when he gets 'lost' he resorts to dreams, time travel and government plans. This is the x file on steroids and as you'll recall that series ended horribly and the big truith that was out there was – shocking : the gov. is covering things up! good luck mr abrams. you will either be called a genius and never have to buy another meal again or be forced to wear a wig, mustache and dark glasses in your continual pursuit to become lost (guess you could see that one coming).
Lost, lost me after the second season. After reading this it has not gotten any better. When will it end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey Sherron: You're SOOOOO silly. i know, i know, using your brain and actually having an imagination and thinking things through IS tiring. i don't blame you for not watching anymore. (eyeroll)
and yes, hurley can be that HUGE. if you recall, they've had tons of food from Dharma, and what has been 6 years to us has only been a few months for them.
They are just milking these last 16 episodes, I better see results at the end!
i've only started watching again since season 2 and i'm so lost.
@ I h8te Lost: I see your point about the Pop-Up Video reruns, but not everyone has a notebook packed with details about the show. The fun part of Lost is in finding all those tiny connections (like revisiting the Adam and Eve skeletons) that you might have forgotten.
To me, the best thing about this show is that it's not easy or simple or wrapped up in 47 minutes plus commercials. It doesn't bother me if the writers didn't have a plan for the first two seasons, because they've had one for the last four. Remains to be seen how the plot threads get wrapped up, so I'm not judging things till then.
BTW, the key with Jacob is that he's a master manipulator. Hurley is a follower, and needs to have his weirdness (talking to dead people) justified by Jacob. Jack, on the other hand, has a messianic complex and needs to have a purpose in order to feel like he has control over his own life. Whenever he doesn't, bad things happen to him. So Jacob lets him regain some control after the (supposedly) failed bomb plot by giving Jack a reason to get angry and smash stuff.
-–> I agree with the person who said the show should end with the ending of the island timeline, and the "remembering" of the people in the alternate time line. It would be cool to have our Island Losties end up voluntarily giving there lives in order to also destroy Flock and his followers. At that time, the Alternate reality (no longer)-Losties all pass out at once, then reawake, remembering everything from both timelines, and rushing around the globe to find eachother and be together once again.
-->The producers have said, that the "Walt is the Key" storyline is ka-put. It was dropped for many reasons (I think it's because the producers, even now, have never had a clear idea where they wanted the story to go) and that the actor playing Walt grew up way too fast for them to use him.
--–> Jacob IS the good guy, and fake locke (Flocke) IS the bad guy.....who I feel, is not necessarily "evil", just misguided by his own greed.
Tim, I agree. I just read an article in Entertainment Weekly that said the writers have had the last 5 scenes of the Final Episode planned since the beginning. They've known how it was going to end for quite some time now. How could they not? They've been genius all along with their ideas.
And also, please stop wasting space and leaving comments if you don't watch the show, or stopped watching the show 2 years ago. Your criticism of the show is not wanted!
I'm noticing that many of the haters who complain that the show doesn't make any sense stopped watching the show after only a couple of seasons. Well of course, if you stopped watching the show back then, it's not going to make any sense. The past two seasons have actually done a fairly decent job of answering a lot of the questions from the first couple seasons. And as far as the creators saying they were just "making it up as they went along" – LMAO at people who actually buy into this. Sure, they probably improvised a few details as they went along – you could say that about pretty much any show that lasts more than a couple seasons. But I'm pretty sure that they've always had the basic outline of the show in mind. Do people honestly expect that they would just sit down and reveal the whole thing? If you're expecting all the answers to be spoon-fed to you, if you're one of those who thinks that every episode or season should wrap itself up nicely for you without any lingering questions, then this is obviously the wrong show for you. I would suggest any number of sit-coms or reality shows might be more your speed.
Tina, You need to stop writing if you do not follow Lost, It has been stated many times over that Jack and Claire are brother/sister, So to think that Christian(sp) is Aaron's father then you have a twisted mind
I think its really interesting that the numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 all add up to 108! Also, 108 was the amount of minutes between pushing the infamous button. And now its the degree that the lighthouse needs to be pointed at. Very interesting!!!! Who is Wallace??
The #23 with Jack Shepard's name next to it ,is definitely one of the "numbers" 5 8 15 16 23 42. Now we just have to figure out who belongs to the other numbers. #108 is all these people combined. So maybe "Wallace" will answer all their questions.
I like Lost, but it's entertainment to sell advertising... Its a story, they can do anything. Since it is the last season, it could be really satisfying or really anoying. I started watching starting with the previous season so it is not as frustrating to me whilst watching what the characters do. I did have to explain to my 12 year old that storyies with multiple timelines and time travel cannot be explained! It is hard for a story to be consistent when you do not know the rules it is framed by.
What every happened to the Charles Whitmore storyline? And how will that tie into what is occuring now? Maybe, just maybe he is one coming to the island......
Speaking of time travel - why was the casket back in the cave and untouched? Even Jack admits to smashing it up. The Losties in the "real" timeline seem to have gone backwards none-the-less!
I like the parallel timeline or alternate timeline however, I am not really sure where it is going. Fun to watch but definitely NOT answering any questions as ABC claims it will!!!
I wonder if the island will help heal Jin's leg wounds so he can make a break for it??? Also wonder if fake Locke/smoke monster will tell Claire that Kate really did take Aaron?? Jin is in quite a perdicament
I also noticed that Kate's name was on the dial. At number 51 was "Austin" and it was not crossed out. So Kate was on the dial but not in the cave.
Did anybody else notice the face of Jack's wife in the alternate reality? You tell me it didn't look like Kate 30 years older! The hair, the shape of the face, they eyes. I immediately said "OMG, that's Kate!" Anybody agree?
I just keep going back to an interview the writers had in Season 1 where they said Jack was supposed to die. Were the writers giving us a hint or did they rewrite it because, as they claim, Mathew Fox just blew them away so they decided to keep the character around. Interview might have been in TV Guide.
If you dont like it, dont watch it.
I think that the sideways timeline is not exactly what would have happened if the plane hadn't crashed on the island, but somehow it is a timeline that started way back before they made the decisions that would have led them along the timeline that took them to the island. Even though their lives are still intertwined in some way, this is what their lives would have been if Jacob had never visited them. The question is, how does the new timeline come about?
Theresa in MN – I've thought the same thing...that Jacob is really evil and the MIB is the good guy. Especially last week when the fake Locke tossed the white stone into the ocean and said "it's an inside joke."
4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108
No one reads the other comments it seems. The name at 108 degrees was WALLACE. Not Walt, and no, Walt's last name is not wallace. Besides that wallace is crossed out. And Desmond's last name is Hume, before anybody goes back to that. Aside from that I get annoyed when people whine about not liking Jack. Jack is more interesting than one note Kate or I'm bad but I'm sensitive Sawyer.
I love Lost, but last night wasn't one of my favorite episodes. Although nothing was particularly wrong with it, it was just fairly dull and didn't really answer any questions, which is what we're craving in this final season.
It's proof this show has jumped the shark when the reruns come with cliff notes to explain the story. SMHIS @ how bad this show has become.
I had an epiphany last night as it was revealed that Clair planned on killling her captives. This island is full of nothing but murderers. Everyone has killled someone else at least once but people keep coming alive only to killl or be killled again. This has become the most convoluted show on tee vee. Really. Does anyone on this island remember the time machine wheel? When you saw the Others wouldn't your first question be "how in the heck did we travel back in time"? And would you not do anything else until they answered that question? And for you people who say 'if you don't like it don't watch'. I've invested years into this show so I'm going to watch to see how it ends regardless of how stupid the story has gotten.
@ ant -> Who's Wallace? Could it be Walt's real name?
@ Chase -> that's awesome detective work re: the last name of the Euro woman being the same as a pianist!
The story line of Lost is Lost. It got out of control and I lost interest. As far as I'm concerned the show was over last year.
Inigo- I agree. Unfortunately I've invested every Wednesday (now Tuesdays) of the last 6 years of my life on this bloody show and have to see it through. It really does make me anygry too when the writers say they never had a 'master plan'
I think 108 is Sawyer. I think it comes down to Jack and Sawyer as usual, only Jack will want the island in the end...Sawyer wants to leave. Jacob is waiting for Jack to realize he wants to stay and be the island's keeper. Poor Hurley: always the messenger, rarely a story for himself.
I suspect that the name at 108 degrees is meaningless anyway. Jacob seems to be a master at getting a person to make the choice he feels is right. He simply wanted Jack and Hugo out of the temple and for Jack to know "how important he his", and Jack would never have left the temple without the misdirection on Jacobs part.
All the implications point to Jack being the next "Jacob", but the writers are masters of causing assumptions that end up being the opposite of what actually happens.
Great episode, great series. Wish there were more series as engrossing as Lost.
Like hurley said, it felt like old times in this season 1 type episode.
I do not care who the mother of Jack's son is; doesn't matter. And Dogen and son showing up in Jack's sideways life? Now they're just throwing people in willy-nilly. Waste of an episode. Hurley should be the new island protector!
I think you're right on for the most part. The only part I take issue with is your MIB/Fake Locke theory. The new Locke is the Smoke Monster who is NOT the MIB, he is the recruiter for the MIB.
Anyone who doesn't care about the alternate timeline and doesn't recognize how these two timelines will eventually dovetail at some level – doesn't get Lost.
I saw Jack's wife is Julia
Alternate time-line? Don't care, don't care, really don't care. I don't see anyway they can reconcile this with the island story in a way that either a) makes sense or b) doesn't somehow nullify the island story. Desmond is probably 108 but I suppose Widmore or even Eloise Hawking are possibilities.
I think Desmond is at the 108 degrees. I also had a glimmer of a thought that Jack's Dad (the dead doctor) is the father of Clare's baby since she was mentioned in his very hidden will. As far as David's mother (Jack's son)......................don't have a clue. Hope somebody else has a theory.
There isn't anyone at 108°. Like Jacob said it was just a ploy to get Jack to see the "reflection" in the mirror at 23°.
Jack is a pain in the butt. What ever time he lives in. His character has never been interesting to me. I'll take Sawyer every time!!
I stopped watching "Lost" about midway through the third season. My reasons back then were that "I don't like to be jerked around by writers whom have no idea where a story is going". After reading this article, I'm so glad I stopped watching. It would not surprise me if the season finally was a shower scene, with Patrick Duffy claiming to the Ewings in "Dallas" that it was all a dream.
I almost can't forgive myself for wasting my time the first 3 seasons. For similar reasons, I dropped "Heroes" after the 2nd season, where everyone and their dog had superpowers.
Did you notice the smirk on Jacob's face when Hurley asked if he knew of a way to get Jack to follow him, he would listen to anything. Is it just me, or did anyone else think that perhaps Jacob is the bad guy and the man in black is the good guy - somehow they got switched and the Man in Black/Locke who is trapped is trapped because Jacob somehow got their places switched around. Perhaps Jacob is really the evil dude and the Man in Black is the good guy.
Jack Married the girl who's spine he fixed. They said she would never walk again, and Jack fixed her. Then they got divorsed due to Jack obsesion with work and not being "around" enough for her. The kid must have been from that marriage.
"Wallace" is at 108 – Desmond's last name is Hume.
In case you were wondering, the last name at 108 degrees is WALLACE.
Not sure if any one we know has that last name. But it wasn't Desmond Hume.
While I agree with most of your points, there are two things I would say. The first being that Jin and Sun's last name is Kwon now Kwan. The second point I would say is that when Claire told Jin that her friend told her the others took Aaron, she also said that her dad told her the same thing. While it is possible that the man in black (fake Locke) just jumoed into the form of Christian, Claire knows that fake Locke is fake so she would probably know a fake Christian as well.
Other than that I'm pleased with how the show is going this season, as we winde down to the end though can we please start with some freaking answers!!!!!
soooo silly. What started out so cool has now become a joke. I quit watching this at season three! I became tired of never getting anwsers and always being introduced to new weirdness. Have a ton of other friends that did the same. Should Hurley still be HUGE after all that time on the island?
Jack Shepherd is at the 23rd degree... the 23rd Psalm: "The Lord is my shepherd..." – a connection?
We at first actually thought the 'steeple' in the mirror was Oxford, where Faraday was/is. The Sawyer church makes more sense, though.
All in all, a good episode. I share your concern of this becoming SMOKEY V. JACOB with the Lostees tossed aside. Hopefully it doesn't come to pass.
I think 108 being Desmond is a good guess. This episode made me a little more intrigued with the alternate timeline when Jack couldnt remember getting his appendix taken out. Significant? I dont know, but i feel like the show is going to do something big there, especially since all the characters wont stop running into eachother..
#108 is Walt. Isn't it clear? He had all of those weird, special powers in the first season, and they're now 3 years ahead of where they were in the original timeline, giving Walt sufficient time to age and the actor portraying him an excuse to look much older. There's no way they can finish "Lost" without addressing Walt's "gifts" and I believe he is going to be the new Jacob.
I love this show, but I am realizing that I am going to have to just buy the whole last season on DVD down the line and watch it after my kids are in school all day. I am going to just sit and veg for a few days and enjoy it all. As it is, I seem to have ZERO time in the evenings to watch and enjoy this program. I will miss it when it concludes however. It has been an enjoyable experience.
Although disappointed to not discover who was at 108 degrees, my takeaway from this episode is that transporting/inhabiting the dead is the conduit (loophole) needed for MIB to carry out his endgame. Christian Shephard appears out of nowhere after clearly being dead and his coffin is empty (Season One). Jack finds the bodies...white stone/black stone. Hmmm. Jacob/MIB? Somehow I think MIB was able to use Christian's body to influence events/drive individuals along their destiny on the island since apparently his only form at the beginning of the show is as the smoke monster. He needed a human form to inhabit. Fast forward to last season and, again, a body (serving as a parallel stand-in for Christian on Flight 316, remember?) is brought to the island. The key difference (I think) is that Locke was indeed a candidate and is returning to the island. MIB and Locke already met face to face when John came nose to nose with the smoke monster in Season 1. I think more happened in that encounter, but hasn't been revealed yet. I believe MIB was waiting in Christian's body for the dead Locke to return, so that he could use a candidate's form to do whatever he's about to do. John = faith....Christian/Jack = science. I could be way off, but the ride is fascinating nonetheless. Any other ideas?
I believe the alternate timeline is the new reality, set when the bomb went off at the end of last season. Remember Juliet's message to Sawyer after her death: "It worked." I believe the folks on the island are fighting for their very souls, and if they fail their destinies will be the miserable lives they had before crashing on the island. If they prevail, they will live the more fulfilled lives they have in the sideways timeline. Just a theory, but with Lost you never know.
The did some of that confusing back and forth before and I did not like it. Now it is totally messed up. It gets so you don't know where or when they are. Started out as a really good and different show. This season is the worst. It just gets more and more bizzare.
I'm going to say 108 is Desmond, who else has the ability to save or do anything throughout all these different timelines? Just a guess. The mother may be the European woman he kissed in the parking lot a few seasons ago (while he was married to Sarah). Jack preformed surgery on her father... And why I think that is because apparently her last name is also the last name of some famous pianist. (thanks to my husband and to some crazy lost fan who researced it on wikipedia)
For having commercials that tell us the time for questions is over and now is the time for answers, they don't seem to be revealing any "answers" any too rapidly.
In a world of microwave dinner TV shows, "Lost" represents a true crock pot meal to be fussed over and enjoyed ONLY when the time is right.
I'm loving it, but, MAN, AM I HUNGRY!!!
It's Shephard and Kwon. Normally, I'd forgive name misspellings, but they were actually spelled for you in the episode!
Watching "Lost" is a joy for me. It's sometimes really hard to figure out what is going on but if you stay with it, it all becomes clear as mud! When watching the plots and entwined storyline it really is easy but if one has not watched since day one you might think like Regis that a "dinosaur" killed all the people.
The mystery black smoke is interesting can't wait to find out the plot and how it ends.
Thanks so much for good TV on Tuesdays.
The name at 108 degrees was "Wallace", I believe. Not Desmond.
I think Jack's son might be Aaron. What say you?
The alternate timeline is needed. The series will conclude with the real timeline coming to an end and the alternate timeline becoming the only timeline. The twist will be that they will remember everything when the two merge.
I am a big fan of Lost, but I hope they don't leave a bunch of unanswered questions hanging at the end of the series. It will be a pretty impressive feat to pull together all the story lines that they currently have going, and all the story lines they've had on past episodes, I can't wait to see it, although the show will be greatly missed.
108 degrees = Wallace
A screen freeze shows it corssed out.
I just let the story wash over me. The whole family shouts "Wha-a-a?" together.
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