[Editor's Note: You know the drill by now. If you haven't seen this episode of "Lost" yet, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.]
When John Locke, or rather, someone who looks like him, a.k.a. the Man in Black, approached Sawyer on Tuesday night's episode of "Lost," and promised to answer the most important question in the world, "Why are you on this island?" it was a pleasant surprise to see that we actually got the answer in the very same episode.
We've come to expect differently from the show that has trained us to expect answers ... eventually. (Even when we're told we'll get them by the producers, characters on the show, and most often, the ABC promotions department.)
But things are starting to come together on the island, and off the island, in the alternate timeline as well. Here we find that Locke (the one who's still alive and never crashed on the island) was engaged to Helen, who had long since left the Locke we know. He never went on that walkabout, and when he was fired for skipping a business conference, his company's owner, Hurley, offered him a temp position with an agency where the supervisor, Rose, told Locke to accept his lot in life. So John Locke the believer lost his faith and became a gym teacher, at a school where he met a teacher named Benjamin Linus. The idea of Ben as a teacher amuses me to no end.
It looks like these people were fated to be in each other's lives, plane crash or not. But it's still a mystery as to where this is all headed.
We got a much better idea of where things are headed on the island, however. The Man in Black had tied up Richard then offered him a chance to join up with him, which Richard, being a lifelong (?) follower of Jacob, turned down. Sawyer, on the other hand, drinking away his grief over Juliet, was game to find out the answer to that all-important question ... and pretty quick to figure out that this man is not John Locke.
Along with the Dharma orientation tape and the giant map in the hatch, the Man in Black revealing the names written inside a cave will go down as one of the big moments "Lost" fans will remember (and study closely). Some of the names on that cave wall were people Jacob had visited prior to getting on that fateful flight, and each had a number, corresponding to the numbers from the Swan hatch.
Mind-blowing stuff, indeed. One missing name, however: Kate Austen. And which Kwon is on the wall, Jin or Sun? And oh yeah - who is the Man in Black, anyway? We know he was once a real man, but has been trapped for centuries, and all he wants to do is get off that godforsaken island. But I have no doubt there's more to be learned.
Like all classic "Lost" episodes, there were so many little moments that stood out:
– It was freaky to see things from the Man in Black/Smoke Monster's point of view towards the beginning.
– Locke's funeral, with Ben admitting that Locke was a better man than he, and that he was sorry he killed him, was yet another example of why Michael Emerson won the Emmy last year.
– The Man in Black is now stuck in Locke's form? Interesting.
– Who was that kid who appeared to the Man in Black (and Sawyer, but not Richard)? A younger Jacob?
– As a candidate to be Jacob's replacement (along with Jack, Sayid, Hurley, a Kwon, and until recently, Locke), Sawyer has three choices: Do nothing, become the new island "protector," or leave the island with the Man in Black. What does this mean for the others who crashed on the island, but aren't candidates? Are we to assume that the alternate timeline is the one unaffected by Jacob? What happens if another candidate takes Jacob's place?
Share your theories about the Man in Black, why he's trapped, his motivation, or any other burning "Lost" questions on video or in the comments below. Were you as impressed by this episode as I was? In the meantime, check out what one iReporter thinks.
MS – If you recall, in the "non-crash" timeline, the island is at the bottom of the ocean. Assuming it has been that way since '77, he either escaped the island or he would be dead. What remains to be seen is if he is in league with the others in that timeline.
I think that the little boy is Jacob. Richard couldn't see him (as he couldn't before) and Sawyer could (one of the candidates).
How was Linus a teacher in the alternate universe? he was on the island before the plane crashed so it makes sense to think he'd be there after the crashed. doesnt seem like much time had passed between Locke's return home from walkabout, getting fired and becoming a sub teacher. Is Linus there to "recruit" him to the island (as we know that Linus could leave the island when he choses – before the sub was destroyed).
Smoke Monster = Locke and Little boy cannot be Aaron
Kathy, (good grief), The smoke monster is taking the FORM of Locke, not actually him, so they could have come face to face before, no problem.
TJ from Allentown (and others): The boy said "...you know the rules you can't kill him" was refering to Sawyer, not to Jacob...so indeed he can be a younger Jacob. I don't know how he can be possibly be Aaron. Aaron is no longer on the island (in either of the timelines), and he is much younger than this kid. So if he is, then something would have happened to make him older and something would have to have transported him to the island since he has not gotten there by normal means like everyone else.
Also, somebody said the island is 3 years in the future...no, it was 1977 when they tried to blow up the bomb, but now it appears they made it back to their normal present. The LA X universe is however still 2004 since the airplane had just landed at LAX instead of crashing on the island.
So, The "man in Black" is Evil incarnate and Jacob hand picked everyone to defend humanity from Evil. Locke is stuck , because he needs to get off the island to spread death and destruction around the world. The Island is the "garden of Eden" and the place where Jacob (God) is holding Evil in check in a delicate balance of power ( rocks on the scale, humm..)
So, don;t worry good will triumph over Evil, and you will find that this whole series wasa collective dream of man coming to terms with his fears and reconciling himself/herself prior to Judgement day , they keep coming back, becuase they need to be pure before going back into society.. Well at least that's how I think it will turn out.
Everyone lives happily ever after.. it's better on Hulu a few days later anyway.
@Andrew, they are not still in the past. They returned to their original timeline (2004). The pit is not incomplete; that is what remains of the Swan hatch after it blew up when they did not reset the countdown (and Desmond wakes up naked in the jungle). We also know this because they are back in the same timeline as the Ajira crash party. Remember they see the fireworks set off at the temple.
Everyone on the island is currently in the same timeline.
And I'm not sure what you're talking about with "digging for the donkey wheel". They were constructing the Swan station when they hit the pocket of magnetic energy.
MiB is the smoke monster. MiB is now Locke. Smoke monster has killed before, we've seen it.
Could Jacob have been the warden of the prison that was holding MiB and now that he's dead he can't keep MiB on the island and he will be able to cause untold destruction and evil throughout the world.
Lost ends with civilization as we know it in ruins because Sawyer let MiB off the island where his killing and destruction were limited to those few on the island.
For those who've seen "The Mummy," think of Benny's arrangement with Imhotep, allying himself with evil so his life is spared. This will now be Sawyer's arrangement with MiB if/when they get off the island.
I have another thought. When the complete series comes out on DVD/Blue Ray, I was thinking I would actually buy it and watch the whole thing again. Unlike other TV shows where it is like "well, I already saw it". They could have a huge windfall from DVD sales IF ONLY all the questions and loose ends are answered / tied up.
What I mean is...I don't have as much desire to go back and watch it all if the questions are dead ends and we realize that a lot of that stuff was all made up as they went. What I want to know is that "oh yeah!" feeling I will get when in the middle of Season 3 I see something that actually was very relevant now that I see it again.
Just hoping that this final season really does all we want it to....for DVD sake.
what I find curious is that desmond was on the plane he was not on the plane when it crash he was on the island in the hatch Anyone catch that I do love the show And can,t wait to see what happens next
Maybe. It just looks so much like him and I was also remembering that Charlie had, 'Living is easy with eyes closed' tattooed on his arm, which is from 'Strawberry Fields Forever.'
The Lennon thing....For all we know it's a nickname.
I actually quit trying to second guess the story line, I just think it's great fun. It beats the heck out so called reality TV
Did anyone else notice that the Lennon character (Dogen's translator) looked very much like John Lennon right down to his glasses? Sorry if this has already been discussed. This is my first time here.
I have one theory that MIB/Jacob will be replaced, say by Sawyer and Jack. This is similar to Desmond needing someone to replace him re-setting the computer. I can already see the final episode with Sawyer and Jack on teh beach together. Sawyer saying..."Do you have any idea how much I'd like to kill you?" Jack: "Yes I do, maybe someday you'll find your loophole." Cut to credits...
I've been pondering the fact that since the timeline split, we now have 2 different timelines that we are following:
1) Chronological time is 3 years ago in series time, when the plane went from Australia to LAX. This is a past timeline (from our viewer perspective) that we are watching unfold.
2) Current Island timeline. This is a little tricky. The bomb goes off but does nothing, leaving our heroes on the island IN THE PAST where Dharma was still digging the ditch to house the wheel etc etc. This was IN THE PAST. Immediately after the failed reset button and bomb detonation, we see the same guys at the same incomplete pit, with the same mess. We see no indication of time moving forward at all. They go to the temple. Sawyer leaves to go back to New Otherton (aka the others' camp). It is abandoned and empty. My question is WHY? If they are still in the past, why is Sawyer going there anyhow? How did, or did he, know the camp would be abandoned? Because now the camp is future Others camp, isn't it? Because the original Dharma accident didn't kill everyone, so what timeline is Sawyer in at this point?
3) Smokey Locke goes to visit Sawyer. But Smokey Locke comes to the Ajira survivors in present timeline. If Smokey visits Sawyer at the camp, does that mean they are in the present timeline now? The past timeline?
4) Also, can someone refresh me: was the big hole where Juliet killed and from where Hurley and co. drove sawyer to the temple the place where they were digging for the donkey wheel, or was it swan station post explosion?
Thanks for any input.
I'm just saying it here: The Man in Black, who tossed a white stone off the scale, clearly representing Jacob, leaving a black stone (clearly representing him, aka smokey), is the spirit, soul, ghost, or whatever, of a slave trader from the Black Rock ship that came to the Island.
The boy said "You know you can not kill him.It is against the rules."If he was Jacob why would he refer to himself as him?
Drogen...Dogen even more approriate. His name is clearly spelled out on the one hour rerun with the subscripts. I will have to check the DVR but DOGEN would definitely fit the yin/yang, mythology angle.
"Zen Master Dogen expressed an insight that is evocative of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle:
“When one side is illumined, the other is darkened.” *
The "Man from the Dark Side" clearly has an evil mission. He puts evil thoughts in people's minds, and leads them in bad directions. I think that this "being" that possesses Locke's body is really Rush Limbaugh.
In regard to the identity of which Kwon. All the candidates thus far have been men, so my vote is for Jin instead of Sun.
In regard to the identity of the which Kwon. All the candidates thus far have been men, so my vote is for Jin instead of Sun.
I think the loop hole has something to do with the ability for a child to be born on the island. Aaron fits that loop hole. Just not sure how this would then fit into the story line.
Helen was married to Al Bundy
The man in black will alwasy be Johnny Cash....but I love lost!
If John Locke was fated to come to the island simply to be used up and become the smoke monster, why did previous seasons' episodes allude to the fact that real John Locke was special? Why would Jacob rescue him after the fall out the window? Wouldn't Jacob know he would later be murdered and come back as the man in black, as the loophole? And, where was Jacob when Ben was killing JL? Did the producers/writers really think all of this through – or are they trying to kluge together some sort of ending just to be done with it? Seriously. If the show's creators had this all plotted out ahead of time a lot of this stuff should make sense by now. Talk about a smokescreen! Frustrating.
on the shows website for abc there is a preview for next weeks episode. the little boy has to be aaron
I did catch tthe new Locke saying to Richard after he came out o the beach just before he beat him up, "nice seeing you without the chains". Is that referring to the "pirate" ship? Is that where Richard and the Others maybe came from? Just another thing keeping me "lost".
Pete: that's a very interesting thought
Last week somebody, unfortunaately I cannot remember his name, posted a comment explaining Lost by comparing it to the Smurfs.
I grew-up with the Smurfs and really enjoyed that comment.
I love LOST and will be sorry to see it end.
My new "Lost" theory – John Locke is writing a book. Using everyone he's met on the flash-sideways as characters.
I love the passion the fans of Lost have. I think it is as entertaining as the show itself.
Quick point – Parallel and alternate is not the same... not even close. The creators are saying parallel. Both story lines are happening. To say alternate is to suggest one of the two stories shown might not be real.
Remember when Juliette was moments from death and she had something very important to tell Sawyer? Then Miles (the one who can communicate with dead people) leans over Juliette's grave, he tells Sower that Juliette says "It worked". My question is, what do you think "worked"? The natural answer might be the explosion of the Hydrogen bomb. I believe it is something else. I believe Juliette wanted to tell Sawyer that she was able to get pregnant on the Island and give birth (the very reason she was brought to the island in the first place). She was brought to the island (by the powers that be) to give birth to a child on the island who would grow to be...Jacob? What do you think?
i think everybody brings up great points, some are new to me, some i agree with and some i don't, but one thing is for sure – i think i will definately go back and read up on greek mythology (when i am done reading shutter island) !
The reason people hate on LOST is because it's another one of those shows that you can't just dive into. You have to watch it from the beginning and that's frustrating if you were late in hearing about how good the show is but can't just start watching it.
Anybody think it's funny that Rose and Bernard are a "Black" and "White" couple? Adam and Eve, the two corpses found early in the series both held a "white" and "black" rock. Interesting, that it might be those guys in the cave.
The constant Yin/Yang references are too abundant to ignore which is why I think it's more about Yin/Yang than God/Satan. However, I think the creators have their own twist to the game, throwing in Greek Mythology and biblical references.
I agree with most above posts that the kid looks to be Jacob incarnate or some form of it, and MIB/Locke, now that he's in Locke's body, can see Jacob just like Sawyer could.
As far as Kate's name missing, she was still touched by Jacob, so she has a relevant role. What role, who knows.
Love Richard's complete change of character. He's no longer the calm, cool guy, but scared shitless guy! Honestly, now that he appears afraid and bonkers, it's hard for me to say he's telling the truth, or at least that he knows the truth. If MIB stated that Richard was in the dark and never actually learned from Jacob the reasons for all the lists, Richard is just another pawn and not really a player anymore. The great acting by all these characters and depth of change is amazing. Kudos to the creators!
The cave seems to be MIB laire, but interesting nobody has ever seen the ladders there before. All the dharma ppl and Others walking around, nobody's checked the side of the cliff? even when floating by in a boat? Def a loophole, but not a big deal.
the island is a huge deposit of unobtainium from pandora. jacob is a na'vi using a human avatar.
Maybe i missed something but i don't remember seeing an alternative timeline for Sawyer, or Sayid either
no one notice how "cool" is hugo... almost like Jacob?
For some reason I remember Locke living in a dungy apartment before he left for Australia and was talking to a sex talk line. His character was that of a loner with no one in his life. Suddently he has a girlfriend/fiancee? Odd, but thats Hollywood!
I personally think that everything IS going to end up as some kind of proverbial good versus evil/ God & satan story line. When the Lockmonster, as someone so eloquently called him, and Sawyer walked into that cave, the color of the two stones that were on the scale were white and black. Which we all know too often symbolizes good and evil. It's awfully funny that the 'good' stone was thrown out by the evil of the two. I also liked how the two stone were even in their weight, depicting Jacob and the MIB's equality.
If Locke is the smoke monster, then why did he come face to face with the smoke monster several seansons ago. Are we to assume that the previous smoke monster was perhaps Jacob?
Ryan: When you said "When Sayid came back to life from the water, Dogim cut his hand and put it in the water possibly giving life back to Sayid." – I think you have this wrong. Dogim cut his hand BEFORE Sayid was placed in the water – he was testing it to see if it would heal his hand, and it didn't – because the water was "dirty", whatever that means.
I'm leaning towards the spaceship theory – that one sounds plausible.
I'm sure going to miss this thought-provoking show!!!
In the first season, Walt and the other children seemed to be a significant element in the story line. Especially Walt. Remember him at Locke's grave/pit telling him he to get up? Also what ever happened with the whispering everyone heard in the first few seasons? Does anyone think that Walt and the other children (seldom seen) will play a part in the conclusion? I just hope they tie up a lot of the loose ends like that.
It's all clear, you dummies. The Man in Black is Tiger Woods!
Did any of y'all notice how the numbers matched with the names are the same numbers they used in the hatch? 4,8,15,16,23,42
I think that the island is Atlantis. I believe that Jacob, the smoke monster and the other man who was with Jacob at the statue might be Poseidon, Zeus and Hades and they are warring over who is supreme. I haven't really thought it out much further than that, but I think that this might be something to expound on. However, JJ Abrams is Jewish and it could be something Old Testament.
The kid has got to be Aaron!!
Wouldn't young Ben be on the island when the H-bomb goes? Wouldn't he be dead anyway?
I think it's been clear for some time that Lost is eventually going to be about the end of the world or the prevention of the end of the world. I think this is why it's so difficult to be certain who the good guys and the bad guys are. If a character is working to prevent the end of the world, he or she will do a whole bunch of cold-blooded things toward that end.
The alternate timeline cannot be one that was unaffected by jacob because, without Jacob, it is pretty clear that Locke would have died in the fall that left him paralyzed. The fact that he is alive indicates to me that he still encountered jacob in this alternate timeline.
Definitely weird though, as Locke's boss was well aware of his walkabout plans the first time we met him, but now thought Locke intended to go to australia only for a conference.
Sorry Sean (below),
Locke is the man in black, who is the smoke monster. If you remember the scene where the man in black and Jacob are on the beach watching the old sailing ship coming to the island, the man in black says he will kill Jacob and find a "loophole" to do it. Then this season when "Locke" confronts Jacob underneath the statue, they reiterate this point by Locke directly telling Jacob that he found his "loophole". Essentially, taking Locke's form and manipulating Ben to kill Jacob.
A few thoughts:
Maybe Kate is on the wall, and we just didn't see her name. But it doesn't explain why she doesn't have one of the key numbers, unless she is # 108?
Lostpedia has a nice list of names and numbers captured on the wall.
I also thought the kid in the jungle might be Aaron, and still might be. We don't really know what year it is in island time. Did Rousseau die in 2004 or 2007? The guy with Kate & Jin said 'She died years ago' so we may be a few years in the future.
Also, I'm thinking alternate Sawyer is not a con man. He is probably a very religious person, maybe a bible-thumper. The opposite of what he was. Thoughts?
LOST is the Greatest Show EVER!
Jacob touched both Sun and Jin. The Kwon on the wall could be their unborn child.
For all of us that have committed six years to the show, and developed freindships on the Lost websites, just getting a few answers is wonderful. Buts its all going to have to clear up in a matter of weeks, obviously posing the question – will the wrap up be satisfactory for those who have committed so much time, or leave a bad taste in our mouths? No doubt, it will be interesting.
Tom- Damon has specifically said do not call the 2004 storyline a flashback or an alternate time line. It is happening as it did in 2004 and they have called it a flash sideways.
(Listen to the podcast)
He has also indicated that the audience has to be patient because the two "timelines" WILL intersect and resolve.
Wondering when Locke will pull off his mask and reveal himself to be George Burns in a black suit with a red bowtie and Jacob will reappear/reemerge, pull of his mask, and reveal a kindly George Burns in a tweed hat? To all you young'ins: I'm referencing the "Oh God, You Devil!" movie from the early 80's.
Charlotte: That's an interesting possibility. I don't think it's likely, but I've learned not to discount anything on LOST until it's proved otherwise.
Rob: I disagree about Jin being the Kwon on the list. I think it is Sun because the list is all morally flawed individuals – Jin was not one of the morally flawed individuals drawn to the island – but Sun was (remember her lying that caused the death of the other Korean man?).
With regard to the good vs. evil – I think its more of a yin yang concept. MIB/Smokey and Jacob are OPPOSITES, but not necessarily one is good and one is evil.
Definition of yin yang:
Yin yang are complementary opposites within a greater whole. Everything has both yin and yang aspects, although yin or yang elements may manifest more strongly in different objects or at different times. Yin yang constantly interacts, never existing in absolute stasis. The concept of yin and yang is often symbolized by various forms of the Taijitu symbol, for which it is probably best known in western cultures.
There is a common misperception (especially in the West) that yin and yang correspond to good and evil. However, Taoist philosophy generally discounts good/bad distinctions as superficial labels, preferring to focus on the idea of balance. The idea that yin and yang has a moral dimension originated in the Confucian school (most notably Dong Zhongshu) around the second century BCE
what if jacob is the "protector" of just a brutal world - and is actually the true oppressor. And MIB - now released - is good. i began to question who was the "good one" in the last episode since both (MIB and Jacob's) ultimate intentions are so veiled. We really can't see who is good and bad here without knowing more. both have displayed brutality and benevolence in their character. and what a nightmare for the characters to realize that they had been blindly fighting on the wrong side of humanity/ history...duped.
Is it just me- No, that was 100% not Walt.
The a young Jacob. Note the kid said, "You knnow the rules of the island. You can't kill HIM." If the kid were Jacob, why would he be referring to himself in the third person?
It's great story-telling. I'm along for the ride, enjoying each twist and turn. For the rest, the general dumb american public, enjoy American Idol and Housewives of O.C , etc.
@Tim: Kate isn't on the cave list. Was she on the season 1 & 2 lists? I seem to remember someone being told they weren't on a list at some point. Was it her?
Kate is definitely not on the list in the cave – which is, I think, hugely significant since the producers went out of their way to show Jacob touching everyone else UnLocke mentioned. Kate clearly means something different -Darlton does not write something like that unless we are meant to ask WHY.
Mikhail was the one (aka Patchy) who told Kate that she was not on Jacob's list. However, Pickett also said that Jack was not on Jacob's list either- since both men were ostensibly getting their information from Ben though you cannot be sure if they were right or not.
And of course, when it counted, the opening of the ankh, Kate was definitely on that list. So I think its very unclear right now what she represents on the show, and why Jacob visited her and what her role is for the island's future.
After the ladder was torn off the cliff face during the fall, how would they get back up the cliff in the first place? Next week needs to answer this question or i'm disappointed.
It will all end with jack and sawer on the beach and sawer saying, "do you know how much I want to kill you?"
The Japanese dude is "Dogan" not Drogan or Dogim.
MIB is not in Locke's body, he is just using the appearance of Locke because he knew he could get in to see Jacob that way. Locke's body is now buried,
my roommate and i are big lost nerds. he was told by some chick a certain theory. pretty much the whole show is a game of backgammon. i don't really remember everything he told me. but something along the lines of the first episode locke talking about backgammon and then the many other episodes that deal with backgammon. also in backgammon you have to travel in groups to win. you can't move one by itself . something like that . i'm not really sure but apparently it all goes back to backgammon.
I never got over the fact that they left Aaron in LA when he was one of the 6 who should have been returned. It doesn't make any sense.
Another thing, they did experience a time flash when the bomb went off, that's how they ended up in "modern" day. I find all those details a little too confusing. Best not to think about it too much!
I think that it is coming down to a ala Stephen King "The Stand" type ending... I love this show and I hate to see it go.
We don't know that Richard did not see the boy. I think he probably did. I think the boy was a boy Jacob. Also, Locke was a substitute teacher at Benjamin Linus' school, not a gym teacher.
In the alternate timeline I initially thought that the plane full of people was going to crash on the way to LA anyway but that this time there would be no survivors.
And, what the heck happened to Desmond on the plane in the first episode.
It seems from the first episode of the season that the Island is underwater in the new universe (what people are calling the flash sideways) that we are being shown.
The numbers.... 4-8-15-16-23-42 same as Hurley's winning Lotto numbers???? I loved that they finally made some sinifigant connection with that.
I think the kid is Jacob reborn.
ps – got chills when Ben turned around to meet John.
MIB is the smoke monster, he said I hate that you had to see me in that form when he killed those people in the statue.
I think the numbers by the names in the cave are the seat numbers of the passengers during the flight.
Very unsure why Desmond was on the flight in the sideways flash.
Has anyone mentioned the 'mirroring'? Sayid was tortured by Rousseau in Season 1 – Sayid is tortured by Dogad in Season 6; Rousseau loses her baby – Claire loses her baby; Kate helps Claire deliver Aaron in Season 1 – Kate helps Claire in labor in Season 6. Seems like Fate is involved here; either you do this in one reality or another. Has anyone mentioned how Smokey/Fake John Locke said the exact same thing that Real Locke often said: "Don't tell me what I can't do!" Very excited about this season; will be hard to see it end, but I'm taping every episode and will rewatch when I get nostalgic!
And what's in that box that Sawyer hid beneath the floorboards??!!!
Theory: Instead of being claimed by Jacob, all of the Losties were claimed by the MIB at some point in the non-island arc. As in that arc, there is no island for MIB to be trapped on. In other words, they are all on the path the MIB set in motion for them, as opposed to the one Jacob set in motion and led them to crash on the island.
I got Sayid and Jin mixed up on the saving issue.
I'm kind of confused on the whole Claire issue because the asian guy was telling Jack that Claire and Sayid have been infected and made evil but then we see that Claire saves Sayid from the others so that makes her not evil right? But then again she seems to have been recruited by the MIB?
what the heck happened to Walt and Michael? They're not shown in the 'what if the plane didn't crash' timeline but that whiney blondes' brother was...
Maybe the little boy is Aaron... OR it could be "Jesus". If Jacob is "good" and "GOD" and he was murdered by evil... then if they're paralleling religion, it would be logical that he would send his "son" back to save mankind. Wouldn't it be just predictable that this little boy helps the LOST crew off the island and out of hell!?
That is not quite true. The producers stated that Locke is not possessed by the Man in Black. That is because he is dead. However, the Man in Black/Smoke Monster can morph into the appearance of John Locke when he wants to.
I am such a fan of Lost. I watched the first season on my t.v. then had the cable disconnected. A dear friend has taped every episode since so I wouldn't miss anything. I have enjoyed the program over the years and will miss all the characters when it ends. Hopefully they will all go on to bigger and better things and we'll see them again soon!
The kid that appeared to the Man in Black and to Sawyer was Aaron as a young child/boy.
Great episode but I am ready for Jin and Sun to be together, they will not stop dragging that on and its getting in the way of the real story..which is "Why are they the chosen ones?", "What makes them special?" And is Sayid immortal now, will he turn into a monster...maybe this is how the black smoke was born? I do not know but I am ready to figure out the answers...we all know that nothing will be answered, "really", until the last episode. I am excited!
You didn't pay much attention to Faraday, did you? "Whatever happened, happened". Every character is living in their own present, and has a past, which doesn't get forgotten, even with time weirdness. Your whole theory is based on one timeline. I believe the theory that the bomb both did and did not go off, splitting the timeline into two timelines, the LAX one where the bomb DID go off and the plane doesn't crash, the island is sunk, and everyone was never touched by Jacob, and the original LOST timeline where the crash happened and so did everything after it.
Salvador: That's why I don't think this is a good vs evil battle as much as light vs dark and trying to keep the balance.
"Take Me There'....is name is Dogen, NOT Drogen....
There's a very thin line between who is actually good and evil. Jacob for one, ordered the annihilation of Otherville when Ben was younger and had hair. MIB also has killed, most notably Eko. So far from what I have gathered, it seems Jacob has way more blood on his hands then MIB. So who really knows who is evil? My bet is that MIB's backstory is tragic, probably along the same lines of Sawyers.
I think it's an oversimplification to discuss whether the bomb actually exploded or not. If the bomb exploded, they'd have never gone on the island, and thus never have ended up in the position to explode the bomb...
I think this time paradox has created a fork in the timeline - both possible outcomes happen. You might compare it to quantum mechanics. Both outcomes exist. They blew up the bomb, *AND* they time-traveled back out before they could trigger it. I think the alternate timeline we're seeing is what happened if the bomb were blown up in the past, preventing much of the manipulation in the timeline by the island and its inhabitants since. In one timeline, the island blew up in the past - and in the other, they time-traveled back out of the past before it triggered. In theory, in the "they're still on the island" timeline, the bomb should still be there.
I've been wondering if the comments we've heard on the show about the universe course-correcting will come into play here - is there enough of some sort of "timeline inertia" that the timelines will in some way converge by the end of the show? Clearly, the people who in "the bomb went off" timeline are still being dragged together, even if it isn't into the original plane crash.
So I think the differences in the history of the people in the new "alternate" timeline reflect (1) what would have happened differently in their lives if "somehow" the bomb were blown "back then", and also (2) changes in their lives introduced by universe course-correction attempting to repair the forked timeline.
But that's just my guess - many other explanations also exist in parallel - though they will likely converge as the show reaches its end. Perhaps one of the timelines stubs itself out by destroying the universe, leaving only one timeline standing. :)
Sideways Locke is in "hallways" en route to the teachers lounge. He stops a kid and asks him where it is. WAS THAT WALT???
Did anyone else find it interesting that the smoke monster hiding in the form of Locke screamed at the blonde boy (whoever that is, perhaps Aaron or young Jacob) "don't tell me what I can't do". This is what real Locke screamed at the walkabout guys office when they told him he could not go on the walkabout. Is it possible Locke's spirit was tied to the island and there are trace features of Locke which are coming out now and maybe more in future episodes? What a good show!!
Zydechef...I couldn't agree more...there is without a doubt a complete method to the producers madness and if dig you will come to see all the hidden & obvious references to time, time travel, physics, mythology...these references are plentiful throughout the series.
Did anyone notice how the MIB "saved" Sawyer from folling into the sea just before they went into the cave? Isn't that a significant turning point?
@J Corbuzon, Got a chuckle out of that post. Maybe there WAS actually some revelance to the lame episode way back when where Charlie and Drive Shaft performed "You all Everybody" wearing Diapers....LOL
I am starting to wonder if MIB isn't actually the "good guy", Jacob the toyer of souls the bad guy... Hmmm... I like the idea that maybe both Jacob and MIB are looking for replacements to continue this game of theirs. Maybe that is who the original Adam and Eve are??? Who knows, guess we'll find out in about 3 months...
the kid looked a lot like Claire, but also Jacob. I've read some theories that Jacob is phoenix-like, which would explain the importance of the ashes. But if the little boy is Jacob, why did we see him as an adult after he died?
Is everyone sold on the idea that only one person will be the ultimate candidate to protect the island? What if as a group they are meant to?
That was the worst recap I have read on a Lost episode yet. The smoke monster DID NOT answer the question of why they are all on the island!!! He lied...it's simple. He is evil and is taking advantage of Sawyer and anyone who believes they are on that island for no reason is completely bonkers!!!
I bet we'll find out later that Jacob is the father of Aaron.
Come on people. The man in black is Johnny Cash. Are you lost or something?
I think the writers smoke some crack, put ideas on sticky pads, plaster the wall with them, throw darts at them to pick the ideas for each episode...then smoke some more crack before writing it.
It's getting lame...but it's like the slo-mo-train wreck you can't help but watch...
I agree with Charlotte, as soon as I saw the "young boy" I immediately thought of Aaron. He was supposed to be special. I also think that the dream Kate had of Claire saying "don't you bring him back" was weird. It was definitely more forceful than required. What if there are two working time lines and the same person can't meet his "other"?
Kate isn't on the cave list. Was she on the season 1 & 2 lists? I seem to remember someone being told they weren't on a list at some point. Was it her?
Maybe the little boy on the island was Aaron? He looked a little like Claire!
Note to smoke monster: Don't try to con a con-man. Sawyer knows that he isn't being told the whole truth, but is going to try to pull a con on the smoke monster/man in black.
The kid... Walter? Walter may have been a candidate for whoever the kid was. I'm willing to bet the island has a bunch of smoke monsters (white, black, kid, Eko, others?) and they are battling among themselves about something.
Just some of my thoughts.
If "The Survivors", "The Others", Jacob and the MIB all went to the shoreline and scanned the horizon, in the distance they would see Fonzie jumping sharks!!!
Give me a break!!!
Love LOST...enjoy the comments...some I believe are spot on. touche' to the greek mythology reference, good one...also allof their names relate to someone or something either from mythology, bibilical, historical physicists & such. Drogen means "drug" in germna hence the "pill" to cure Sayid given to Jack by Drogen. I think it is a classic but complicated battle between good vs. evil not any one particualr god or satan per se. Notice Christian Sheperd's body is missing now and wnet missing when Ocenaic 815 crashed right?
Remeber When Locake first viosisited the "jacob " cabin and he could "hear" him and the words that he heard were "Help Me." Also, how did Locke survive Ben shooting/killing him the first time and leaving hiim to die in the shallow dharma grave. I defintiely think the the boy is a young Jacob, notice the clothing...no way it is Aaron. spot with it being MIB"s cave. The numbers were definitely the numbers from the hatch logging and Hurley's lotttery win. In physics, doesn't basically everhting come down to a mathmatical equation = numbers.
I heard the smoke monster is a pissed off giraffe. Is that true?
This last episode proves why Lost is such a great series. Its a great series for thinkers, and every episode is like a mini movie. For those of you haters, go back to your mindless American Idol shows.
My take: MIB represents true evil and he's confined to the island, and Jacob (representing good) is a protector, not just of the island, but of the whole world. Jacob's gig is to keep MIB on the island and away from humanity. It may be a reach, but I'll be watching to see if I'm right.
Young blonde kid is def. not Aaron. Aaron is 3 yrs old and last seen with his grandmother in LA. I vote for reincarnated Jacob.
And lastly, the cliffside cave is totally MIB's hangout. And MIB is whittling down the "candidates" by getting them to leave the island, and once they do (remember the whole, "once you leave you can't come back" bit) they are disqualified. MIB's goal being to have no jailers to keep him on the island. The only flaw in my theory is that Jack and Sayid left and their names weren't crossed out.
Can't wait to see what happens next week!
Can Sawyer see the kid because he's dead now too? Did he kill himself in the house while he was alone and he's just playing the MIB?
Been a fan of the show since it's first episode, but have long since decided that Cuse and Lindlehoff have shot a lot from the hip as we've gone along. I like the above theory that the Island is a Spaceship. That would be an interesting scenario. I would venture that they arrived on Earth at the time of the Ancient Egyptians and have thus adopted a lot of their culture.
The alternative and more likely, IMHO C&L scenario is MIB vs. Jacob is something of a Satan vs. God battle of good and evil. I think back to the Ouroboros and the "loophole" comments, MIB has been exiled to the Island and he needs to corrupt a soul to lead him off the Island and out of the loop... At the end of the day, it'll probably be something entirely different. I keep my fingers crossed that they can pull off a finish that makes sense and ties up most of the loose ends. How this series ends will be the difference between it being a "good" show vs. it going down as a "classic"!
Charlotte: I thought of that, but he had his chance to kill Sawer and he saved him. I still think Richard is left in the dark and doesn't know what the heck is going on between Jacob/MIB...at least that is what I gathered from his convo with new Locke.
I have to point out one thing everyone seems to be overlooking in calling the storyline where the plane lands a "flash sideways". That flight took place in 2004.....the "present time" on the island is taking place in 2007 I believe they said. Therefore, the scenario where the plane didn't crash is still a flashback....my theory with the interactions between the characters even after the plane landed is that they will, ultimately, wind up on the island anyway somehow between the time the plane landed and the "present" time on the island....some have easy explanations: Claire heads home with her baby, Kate runs back to Australia to escape, Jack goes back to retrieve his father's body....the point being that, even if the original plane hadn't crashed, ending up on the island was their destiny and the "parallel" storyline is just showing the alternative methods by which they will all ultimately end up back on the island by the time the "parallel" story catches up with the "current" story. They are still the same timeframe/storyline....
It is very possible I missed something that totally debunks my theory but I was just surprised nobody else had thought of the fact that the plane would've landed in the past and thus that "parallel" storyline is actually merely an extended flashback...
Per the Lost Experience "Sri Lanka video", the numbers are the "core values" of the Valenzetti Equation, which predicts the date when the world will end and the only way to change the date is to change one of those core values. The Dharma Intiative was formed to find a way to change these core values and put off the end of the world but they failed. Since we now know Jacob assigned one of the numbers to each survivor, I'm thinking they represent the "core values" and at least one of them must change to prevent the end of the world. At least one of them must choose to change and become the new Jacob for the date to be put off.
Since the group never made it to the Island in the alternate timeline, I assume that the alternate timeline will play out with the survivors somehow contributing to the end of the world.
Of course, I could be wrong about all this...
loved the show.
Many thoughts, but liked the fact that Flocke threw out the white rock and what remained on the scale?...The Black Rock. Coincidence? Was Flocke on the ship?
sorry if this has been mentioned.
CINDY – you can watch episodes on abc.com too, although I think there's a delay after the show's been on – not sure if you have to pay for them. They are also probably on itunes for a few dollars apiece.
The story for Lost is so good. I have watched since the beginning. I will be sorry to see it finished this year. Can't we have more?
The idea that MIB is recruiting Sawyer as a replacement is great but why would Richard warn him that he's going to kill him?
wait a minute! what's the deal about Desmond entering lottery numbers? I missed that. Someone please remind me where Hurley got the numbers – a crazy man from down under????
Anyone have any clue as to WHO Henry Gale is in all of this? (the real hot air balloon pilot Ben posed as when we first met him)
Anyone else think it was interesting when the new John repeated dead John Locke's mantra 'don't tell me what I can't do' in answer to the boy's remark that you can't kill him/break the rules? I think that being in John Locke's body may also give the MIB some of his weaker characteristics. The MIB/new John may eventually slip up and be undone by the very weaknesses that he spoke to Ben about in Jacob's cave. John Locke was "weak", the last thought in his mind before Ben killed him was, "I don't understand" Can't wait for next week!!!!
My theory. Ben represents a Judas of sorts. Jacob is an archangel of sorts guarding an enemy of the heavens. The new (asian) charactor that doesnt like to speak english is God. His sidekick (translator) is the Metatron, otherwise known as the voice of God. This is why the new charactor in the temple doesnt speak to people. Also, I think he said that his name was Dogim. Put the "im" in the front and spell the "Dog" backwards and you have "Im God." When Sayid came back to life from the water, Dogim cut his hand and put it in the water possibly giving life back to Sayid. Jack represents a Moses, After all, the "Sheppard" leads the flock. This is a part of my theory. There are more Gods and Archangels invloved throughout. Eko, Walt, Desmond, the CIA guy for example.
Great thories here, I like to see what others are thinking. I dont' think the boy is Aaron, I think it's Jacob as a child. The only thought I could come up with for the numbers next to the names was their seat assignmnet on the plane.. but I like the lottery numbers. I don't think not seeing Kates name on the wall means anything – just not enough time to do that – maybe just making a point that their names were on the wall. I agree that the smoke monster wrote the names not Jacob. On the scale there was a white rock and a black rock the scale was tipped in teh white rocks favor – then the "locke" guy threw the white rock out tipping the scale in the black's favor. That lady- whos name I dont' know scooped up Jacobs ashes... I think somehow she and the other will bring jacob back??
People are allowed to post their opinions, even if it's negative. It's still a free country, supposedly.
The boy has to be Jacob because he said to MIB that he can't kill him which grown up Jacob told to MIB in the last episode of last season. No other character on the show has 'no kill' clause to my recollection.
Cindy, you can catch up on the episodes on abc.com Hulu has them as well!
I don't think the bomb went off because Juliet said that 'it worked'....
I think the sideflash is what would have happened if Jacob had never picked out these people to eventually come to the island. For the most part (Kate excluded) their lives would have been totally different (ie john's father was not the cause of his being crippled and worth an invite to the wedding). I'm waiting to find out what happened on the island to Bernard and Rose and who the 2 bodies in the cave were–maybe Kate and Sawyer?? I really loved the comment Lipdas made at Locke's funeral; the writers really have fun with this character–"strangest funeral I've ever been to", "We're not going to Guam, are we?" Great character
sypholux and others, I used to be one of the loudest voices on LOST.COM, handing out the tasty tasty fish biscuits to those who uncovered the secrets and made the guesses. The big green guy, remember? One day I realized there was no plan, and the writers didn't have an ending in mind. You say you'll be p'd if it turns out to be Hurley's dream? Better get the diapers ready.
Locke = MIB = smoke monster. There seems to be debate on this based on what the producers said, but let's review what we have SEEN in recent episodes:
1. On the beach fish-cooking scene, MIB tells Jacob he will find a loophole some day.
2. MIB/Locke enters Jacob's lair and Jacob says, "I see you found your loophole," to which MIB/Locke replies, "Yes, I did." Ergo, MIB = Locke.
3. MIB/Locke disappears and is replaced by smoke monster who procedes to kill Bram et al in front of Ben. Then smoke monster is replaced by MIB/Locke who says to Ben, "I'm sorry you had to see me that way." Ergo, MIB/Locke = smoke monster.
Thus, they are all one and the same. Hmmmm....three personifications of one entity. Where have I seen that in my Southern Baptist upbringing before?
Someone said Jacob touched Hurley and Sayed after they returned to the island. Not so fast. We saw Jacob pat Hurley's shoulder in the cab outside the jail when Hurley was released BEFORE he returned to the island. I don't specifically recall seeing Jacob touch Sayed but I think he did when they were both looking at the map in LA.
No, the bomb did not go boom-boom. Think about it . The only way "it worked" as Juliet claimed is that the bomb would go boom-boom and destroy the diggings, which at that instant would prevent the hatch from being built which at that instant would prevent Desmond and flight 815 from crashing (separately), but how could it have prevented Juliette from arriving on the island which had nothing to do with the hatch? Also note that post-bomb (or not bomb as I believe), Frank and Sun and Ben were still on the 2007 island with dead Locke. If the hatch were never built, none of them would have ever met each other, Locke would not have been murdered by Ben, and none of them would have been on 316 trying to get back to the island. As noted above, we did not hear an explosion or see a mushroom cloud, we only saw the bright white light which we have seen in may time-flashes before. So, there was a time-flash, not an H-bomb explosion, and the two divergent timelines (1977 and 2007) were reconciled into 2007, hence they are all on the island at the same time so Sun and Jin can find each other (and MIB/Locke from 2007 has already found Sawyer from 1977). The are now all on the same timeline, but now there is a new divergent timeline, the flash-sideways.
Don't even get me started on that one.
Jacob is the evil one. He enjoys watching the people that get "lost" on the island suffer and fight, "Lord of the Flies" type stuff. MIB is good, wants Jacob to stop his games.
I haven't heard anyone mention the fact that the island is three years in the future. People talk about the alternate universes, but the island is three years in the future. The guard confirmed this when he said kate escaped from him three years ago. Couldn't it all be the same timeline and the LA version is just leading up to the island?
I don't think the little boy is Jacob b/c he said to "Locke" something to the effect of "you know you can't kill him" I think if it were Jacob, he would have said, "me" not "him"
It could be Aaron b/c if you remember when Kate was living w/ Jack off the island w/ Aaron, Claire was in Aaron's room and told Kate to never bring him back to the island. So maybe Aaron can travel around too?? But would he be that old?
In the alternate universe, where we saw everyone on the plane (LAX pt1 I think) Desmond was on the plane. He wasn't on the initial flight. He was pressing the button (or not pressing the button). And he and Jack definitely met before. At the stadium when Desmond was running. (don't remember what episode or season) that was.
I thought Walt was the special one...where's he?
MIB is recruiting Sawer to take his place by tricking him. The MIB can only leave the island if someone takes his place.
Jack will become the new Jacob.
Jack and Sawer will continue their hate/fued like Jacob and MIB did for centuries to come trying to find their replacements while Sawer wants off the island because he was tricked into taking the MIB's spot.
When we saw Kwon's name not knowing it was Son or Jin as a candidate, we know that Jin is the one because the "other" from the temple said not to kill him (last weeks episode) because he was "one of them". So Jin will not take over as the island protector because he will want to take option 2 of the three options and be with son and his kid.
Sayeed is no longer a candidate because he is infected.
Of course Locke is no longer a candidate cause he is dead.
And Hurley, well, no way he can become the new Jacob because, well, he's hurley, he will just watch it all play out.
why do all you people who claim to hate lost keep up with it and blog about it??? sounds like you're pretty pathetic to be on here and not even like the show..
"curtegg – February 17th, 2010 11:20 am ET – Lost is such a contrived series. Oh, we need to tie this loose-end, let's throw in a time-travel scene. The series is pretty lame like so much other television. Glad I moved on after only watching 2 episodes."
Yet here you are commenting in Season 6....
Get a life.
I think the alternate/parallel story line is happening in Heaven. Notice how everything seems to be pretty perfect in the alternate storyline. I thinkthe island is pergatory. Their souls are split between the two. The MIB wants to go home...which is the alternate storyline/Heaven. I think the people ont he island have the option to choose but are unaware and that is the essential battle between Jacob and the MIB. Based on this theory, it is hard to believe Jacob is the good guy. He is working hard to keep them all on the island and away from the alternate storyline/Heaven.
Ok, I am still loving this show but also confused about what is really going on. It would seem that the island houses Good (Jacob) & Evil (Black smoke guy). The other night Evil tosses the white rock off the cliff – thinking that he finally got rid of Good – but did he? I doubt it! Then we saw a young Jacob look-alike boy telling him that he broke the rules..."you can't kill him" he said. Now he's trying to recruit someone to take his place on the island (Sawyer) but first he must kill all the others who's names are on the cave wall...but why? Maybe b/c one of them is destined to turn into the new "Jacob" and try to take him down? In the other life "off the island" – did real John Locke tell his fiance about his dad trying to kill him? Why would they invite him to their wedding? Or maybe he lost his legs in some other way and has never even met his real dad yet!?! I hope this last season answers all the questions?
I believe the names on the ceiling of the cave with the associated numbers might only be the guys. (Candidates to replace Jacob.. a guy??) Notice only one Kwon and no mention of Kate? Think it's got to be Jin's name.
Boy in the jungle definitely seemed like he could be a young Jacob from resemblence.
Really, really curious to know what Richard's role in all of this is.
Paul – if you saw the scale with the black rock and the white rock, it harkens back to when Locke was playing the game with Walt and he held up a black playing piece and a white paying piece and proceeded to explain "yin" and "yang" to him.
Anyone else think "Evil Dead" when we were watching from the POV of the smoke monster?
So it is possible that the bomb went off. For one, the bomb went off in the past, the explosion could have set time right in the future, leaving Juliet alive (but with her injuries intact). Think of the Star Trek: TNG series finale All Good Things... the singularity gets larger in the past, the concentrated beams set the present day correct. Granted the analysis cannot be exact (we seem to have dual dimensions here). We saw in one dimension that actions in the past affected the future (think of the hydrogen bomb, the picture in the future showing the passengers as Dharma groupies in the past). The bomb does not seemed to have altered the future in this timeline, instead, we seem to be given a different dimension, in which there is no island. Perhaps when the explosion occured, Juliet was momentarily in two dimensions at once... hence her statement "It worked."
The new dimension we see is simply there to answer a question the viewers have – what if there was no island. But for the characters we've known from the beginning, the island was there, they simply jumped through time and detonated a bomb that countered the energy from the orchid site, stopping their time shifts.
I must agree with those opposed to the god/satan theory. Haven't really felt disappointed by the show's middle seasons, I'm happy questions are being answered, but something so simple would be a pathetic ending to this show. Besides, there was that pocket of electromagentic energy, I'd bet they don't go down this route.
So, the numbers were on the lottery tickets, are attached to the "candidates" and had to be entered into a computer created by the Dharma Initiative long after Jacob was on the island. I don't think we really have "the" answer about the numbers yet.
No one has made mention of the boy saying "You know the rules, you can't kill him." Did he mean Jacob or Sawyer?
Sigh... the last season of this magnificent show and ABC had to go and move the show to Tuesday night, the ONE night of the week I can't be home. Haven't seen a single ep yet. We can't all afford to pay for DVR, ya' know?! Anyway, I don't think it will be as simple as Good vs Evil; it's been deliberately ambuguous all along just who the "good guys" and who the "bad guys" are. All the same, I hope it doesn't tun out to be out and out anti-religious either; not after all the talk of redemption. And I hope my fav character Sawyer isn't irretreivably "Lost".
We have seen examples in previous episodes of the white and black stones having relevance. While Locke and Sawyer are in the cave, Locke takes the white stone from the scale (offsetting the scale to favor black) and throws it into the water saying something that denotes that this is a game or a bet of somekind. If we remember back when Jack first found the alcove in the forest (the place with clean drinking water), it had been lived in by a couple whose bodies had long since decomposed. In their hands however, one had a white stone, the other had a black stone. I'm thinking that Jacob and the MIB are just another example of two people that the island has forced together to have a battle of wits or somekind of intense strategy-capture the flag game. The candidates that are now being pitched together, are what we call the infected (Said, Sawyer – by the black) and the non-infected (Jack – Hurley – Kwon by the white Jacob). Make sense?
Does anybody else think the MIB is recruiting Sawer to take his place? And that Jack will become the new Jacob leaving Sawer and Jack to continue their feud as MIB/Jacob has for centuries before?
If you recall, The Others were using a list to pluck people from the beach camp way back in season 1 and 2. The list from the cave matches that same list. Ben was in charge of rounding up these people, and as far as Ben knew he was doing this under Jacob's orders. So this is not the first time we have seen the list and its significance.
Though – that does not give sway to who actually came up with the list – or if Jacob and MIB came up with it together. They always seem to be playing games with each other. I wouldn't be surprised if this list was part of a challenge between the two of them.
I just wanted to comment on the scale that the black and white stones were on. I wonder if it was more than just a simple scale. If you noticed the black stone was heavier than the white, maybe showing that Jacob is dead or MIB has and advantage in their little game?
Kudos to Nestor Carbonell’s performance last night He took Richard Alpert from calm, cool, and always in control (while Jacob was alive) to scared ^%$# out of his pants and desperate to get away from the new John (post Jacob’s death). I loved that ‘crazy’, desperate look on his face while he was running through the jungle and when he tried to get Sawyer to understand the urgency to get to the temple and safety. That man looks hot no matter what character he is playing!!!!
Lost is the greatest show ever! Last night's show did not disappoint!!
Maybe MIB is trying to kill off all the candidates so there is no one left to protect the island and therefore he can leave. Btw there is no God/Devil connection, purely light/dark, yin/yang, balance.
Theory: Sawyer is the chosen candidate to take Jacob's place. That's why he can see the kid, why MIB-fake-Locke hasn't killed him, and why Sawyer can see the boy & why the boy said "You can't kill him."
MIB can't kill him so he is trying to get him to leave the island with him.
I like LOST, but I am ready for it to end.
I am tired of hearing people say "we were in some place and this thing happened" and the other person asks "What happened?"
That is followed with "There's no time now"
It is in almost every episode.
And honestly if they flew to the moon on robotic dinosaurs in the next episode would anyone be surprised?
I will watch it til the end but I am tired of trying to wrap my head around what is happening and every time we think we are close to an answer, 5 more questions are asked.
The producers have already said that the island is not purgatory. i don't know where this good/evil stuff is going. but the numbers and names on the wall are really interesting!!!
When we see the kid the first time, he's got red all over his hands and forearms. He looks maybe 5,6, 7 years old. When we see him the second time, no red on him, but he looks older, like 10-12.
Echoes in LOST? Like dead Locke / dead Christian on the flight? Like Rousseau / Claire, crazed woman who has lost a baby?
My personal guess on if the bomb went off is both yes and no, just like the dual timelines. The bomb went off, providing the timeline with no plane crash, and in that instant Jack and crew never crashed or went back to '77 to detonate the bomb, therefore it did not go off, ergo the "still on the island" timeline.
It does make since that if time travel were possible, the bomb must both have went off and never went off.
Holly – "Did anyone else notice that those numbers seemed to be the same as the lottery ticket numbers and the numbers that Desmond was entering?"
Are you serious? OF COURSE WE NOTICED IT!
Love the show.
Hate all the questions I'm still waiting answers for.
To all the haters, if you hate it so much, just don't watch. The fact that you still watch just makes you all seem like hypocrites.
I'm still not sure about where the Smoke Monster and Jacob debacle is headed. If Richard is right, the smokey Locke is pure evil and is going to kill them all. But if that's true, wouldn't the smoke monster have killed them all by now, he's had six seasons to do it, he could have just gone into the camps and blown them off the face of the earth.
I'm not sure it's as (hate using this metaphor) black and white as it all seems.
As for the infected (Sayid and Claire), I also don't believe everything that the japanese guy at the temple is feeding to Jack. There must be a way to get Claire back, otherwise Kate's quest is just one very futile and moot point.
The boy in the middle of the jungle freaked me out. Can't be aaron, cause Kate made damn sure he wouldn't return to the island. Not sure it's Jacob either, just another more damn mystery to add to this show.
That series finale comin up in may better answer a bunch of questions. I swear if we get a fade to black a la Soprano I will have to hunt Mr. Abrams down and do whatever is necessary to get all the answers.
I love this show, and these people who post comments about how bad it is, and how they hate it, amuse me to no end!
I never watch American Idol, but I'm going to go to the American Idol website and post some comments about how the show sucks! NOT!
I guess they think they're 'trolling' and annoying people, but I just laugh at how they're wasting their time with their unoriginal comments.
Thanks Diggity Dave. Now I know I'm not getting any work done.
JOHNNY CASH is the Man in Black.
Love all of your guys' ideas! Really has me thinking even more!
Isn't that blonde kid one of the kids the others kidnapped??? The one who had a sister...
I don't know...I still have a feeling that the MIB is the good guy for some crazy reason...thou in yesterday's episode he seemed very deceiving. Which stone did he throw...the white or black one?
LOST rocks!!! Best show ever!!! Does anyone have a theory as to why John Locke's (his corpse) suit changed from blue to brown to blue again? Not sure if it means anything or if it's just a continuity mess-up on the show.
Jin is probably the Kwon that is the candidate. When the other candidates (Jack, Hurley, Sayid) on the Ajira flight went back to 1977 after the crash, Sun stayed in the present. Why? Because the Kwon that is the candiadte (Jin) was already in 1977.
I apologize in advance for providing the following Lost-related link, which will cause you to spend hours upon hours of your time reading up on every single detail of every episode and every character:
One glitch i've noticed is that if they exploded the bomb in the past, then the rambling dahrma guy that hurley learned the numbers from... didn't go crazy in the swan, so he didnt end up in the mental hospital, and hurley doesnt learn the numbers, and hence doesnt win the lottery... yet he's still rich in the alternate timeline.
I used to think the Island was Garden of Eden, Jacob the Angel who guarded the Garden once Adam & Eve were expelled, etc. Then last night I had an epiphany: the island is not an island. It's a giant UFO/spaceship. Jacob and the MIB are aliens. MIB=E.T. (see, he wants to "go home", haha). That explains the time shifts, it explains the 4 TOES on the statue, the powers the island has, the giant electromagnetic power source coming from the island, etc. It's also the only semi-reasonable explanation for how the island could "disappear" from the middle of the ocean without causing a giant tsunami, etc. It's a big ol' ship, covered with mud and such. Basically. Perhaps the the creators are saying the aliens created people, the whole human race is an experiment, etc. Check out the underling plot of Assassin's Creed 2, or that flick Red planet, for this same general concept. Think about JJ Abrams' interests, Cloverfield, etc. It's aliens. I'd bet on it, Definitely has religious undertones, but the explanation for that is that the aliens were here since before humans, so the religions developed from encounters with the Island, aliens, etc. (Yes, that's dumb, but that's their concept).
My wife called the island some type of 'purgatory' since season one...so I'd be pretty upset if it were 'just' God and Satan doing what they do too... it would be uncreative. If it is, then so be it. The ride that is LOST has been absolutely AWESOME.
I've found that the haters of LOST simply never gave the show a 'chance' and are usually people who like to be spoon fed by others...
LOST is not a show where the answers come easily, if at all. It's a show for thinkers. Period.
I am wondering about the significance of the scale in the cave. Perhaps it is a hint that MIB is at least associated with the Egyptian Weigher of Souls. Is MIB Osiris and Jacob his son Anubis? Osiris is a god that dies and rises again. Anubis replaced Osiris as the god of the dead. "Jacob", in Hebrew, means "He who supplants". Hmm...
I watched and loved since LOST the very beginning, but this episode was very disappointing to say the least. I always thought "Fire and Water" from season 2 was the worst, but last night's was really dull.
My bad-John didn't go on the walkabout! Please ignore my other post! We all make mistakes! :)
First, I really wish Juliet didn't die. She is one my favor characters. Now I hope Kate and Jack can get back together at the end. Not Sawyer and Kate.
It's very interesting how the smoke monster traps in the form of Locke – who is the complete opposit. Locke is a man of faith and wants to stay on the island vs. the smoke monster thinks everything is controlled by Jacob and wants to go home. I agree that the live John Locke is just the smoke monster, not MIB.
I actually don't think this episode answers any questions by showing the names and numbers inside that cave. Instead, it opens up to more questions......my next question is what are the names for? and how are they relate to one another? I can't wait to watch the next episode! Best TV series ever!
Did anyone else notice that those numbers seemed to be the same as the lottery ticket numbers and the numbers that Desmond was entering?
KATHY: The children are shown getting food to Kate inside the temple
So here is what is decided:
The cave belongs to the man in black (he has crossed off the names probably.
Only the chosen people can see Jacob
Claire and Saide have been infected (Making them evil now?)
Sawyer is in the process of becoming evil. (and will probably be killed at some point by Jack)
Kate will find Claire and realize that she is evil?
Central question: How will the alternate universes be united?
York, I agree with you that the bomb never exploded. How would anyone, or the island, have survived that? But then again, nothing else makes sense when we first see it either.
Stephanie, the "inside joke" was a good one. Good vs. evil in all it's simplicity.
Looking forward to this entire season, and sorry to see it come to an end. My husband hates it, but has to put up with me watching it as we have one tv. I definitely think the blond boy is Aaron. Claire looks older (and crazier) now, and the kid's got to be him. Jacob will come back some other way, not as a child.
The Man in Black was Johnny Cash. There can be only one! But I didn't watch, and I've lost interest now. They are all dead and in some weird afterlife anyway.
When will former host of The Dating Game Jim Lange be on the show. I just love him.
The kids are at the temple – as shown in the Season Premiere when Cindy speaks up for Hurley and his crew that they were on the plane. Cindy and the kids bring food for the castaways
Did you notice that Fake Locke gave Sawyer 3 choices – do nothing, stay and protect the island or "we" go home. My theory is that Locke has to recruit someone to take him with them off the island because he is unable to leave the island on his own. I want to say there's a Greek Mythology story that involves someone having to trick someone else to take them out of Hades (the Underworld) because they cannot leave on their own.
My theory is that all is not what it seems with bad Locke and Jacob. I keep going back to the scene where the pirate ship is being drawn into the island, and the man in black comments about all the death and destruction that Jacob has caused over and over again, and Jacob was almost smug about it. The man in black may represent evil, but I don't think Jacob is God/good. Jacob is merely a guardian of the island, but his intentions may be evil. Maybe Aaron was concieved to give Jacob a new body – they deliberately cast a boy who looks exactly like him and Claire to drive us even more nuts!
I have been a hit and miss viewer just because I don't always have the free time to watch. I have gone back and watched old episodes to keep up to date but I have to admit sometimes I'm a little confused. I have loved this show since day one and I will revisit every episode via. my netflix. I hate that this season is it's last but at the same time I'm looking forward to the answers to all of my questions. I think that the young boy is Jacob. I don't think that Jacob put the names on the cave walls.
Even when I'm lost I love Lost. If you aren't a fan, maybe you shouldn't blog if you don't just get Lost!
So good. Just trying to enjoy every episode as much as possible since we only have limited amount left.
I hope lost doesn't end with it being god and Satan, because that would be so uncreative and be way out of place. Now I agree there will be some parallel ( I still think the "exit" to the island dropping in Africa is a garden of Eden reference ) but to flat out call the two characters god and Satan from the christian bible would seriously disappoint me. Not to mention all the non christian references. Crossing my fingers that they have a better ending than that planned.
Is it possible that the parallel storyline is really the future and this is really what happens to the character at the end of the series. Maybe something happens on the island to make them loose their memory and shift into this state.
Since the start of this season – i dont think the bomb went off as shown. I think we had another time shift. When Juliet was hammmering away at the bomb, there was a bright white flash, not an explosion, similiar to the other time shift episodes. If there was bomb explosion – Juliet would not be alive as shown in that first episode nor would the island be there. Anybody else with the same thoughts?
Is the little boy playing a game with his toys (the characters of Lost)?
Am I the only one that feels like after watching the show, you completely forget what you just watched? I guess it is b/c there is SO much going on and it makes your brain constantly think.
Did anyone else laugh out loud when Sawyer asked "Locke" about the black and white stones on the scale and "Locke" said it was an inside joke? I thought that was a great moment. I do think that maybe it was the Man in Black's lil cave hangout. He was the one who crossed off Locke's name. Being that the real Locke died well before he ever returned to the island, wouldn't Jacob have scribbled his name off the cave list earlier?
The last time we saw Claire on the island, she was in the cabin w/ Christian and she seemed like she was on something. Now she just looks plain ol crazy.
Love the show, feel like no questions have been answered, just new ones raised...but that's just me. Love the haters of the show too...if they hate it so much, why are they wasting their time reading the articles and blogging.?
Kathy: The children showed up at the temple, along with the stewardess. They had appeared once before, when Sawyer and Kate were in the cages on Other Island, but you're right in that we hadn't seen them until the season premiere this year.
Hurley is going to be the new jabob as he is giving inspiration to all of the people he comes across in the other reality.
Kathy, I believe we saw the kids and also the flight attendant that disappeared at the temple last week.
Yet again Lost has left us confused, throught heavy discussion with other fellow watchers, we have come up with a theroy: the little boy is Jacob from the past, since the island can time travel, only the chosen ones can see him and Saywer was a chosen one, Remember Richard could never see Jacob, "no one has met Jacob he said"
Kathy...the children are with the Temple people....they served fruit and water to Jack, Kate, Hurley and Jin at the Spring where Sayid was "resurrected"
I expect at any time to see Mr Rourke and Tatoo show up on a hill watching 'de plane!' crashing over the horizon. I am really curious as to how they will tie up some of these swirling loose ends. Love this show!
I too found it interesting that Kate was omitted (or already crossed out).
When LockeMonster gave Sawyer the three options, the last one was something like "Or, we can all leave together." I thought this might be significant, as it seems to tie into the "you all have to go back" (to the island) from last season. Is it important for them all to go back together?
Jensen: Vincent the dog was living with Rose & Bernard in their Island home. We last saw them when the gang was planning on detonating the bomb.
I think the man in black cannot leave the island unless someone voluntarily takes him off, so he is conning Sawyer into taking him off the island. The MIB seems to be some type of evil being that Jacob kept in check (the white v. black). Perhaps if the MIB kills off all the candidates, Jacob cannot be resurrected. I think the show will evolve into the proverbial good versus evil battle. Pitting man's higher ideals against his base instincts.
Nancy: Helen & Locke's relationship was shown in Season 2.
Kathy: The kids are at the Temple. They showed them an episode or two ago.
Jonathon: Sawyer did not write the letter in the alternate universe. At least, it has not been shown yet. The mini-flashback we saw of Jacob giving Sawyer the pen was when MiB-Locke was showing Sawyer the cave on The Island, not in the alternate universe.
I love LOST even though I find it confusing half the time. lol. I'd love to see the yellow lab show up. I don't remember anything ever happening to him? I'll miss the show.
The man in Black is obviously Lucifer, who by God(Jacob) was banned from heaven and sent to hell. Last episode he said he wanted to go home(Heaven) and quit being stuck in metaphorical purgatory aka the island.
I truly love the people that HATE Lost and go so far out of their way to express themselves. What a complex those people have. It literally may the best TV series ever created and they just can't deal with it – mostly cause they have ADD. There is a whole class of people that wishes it was just a series of Scooby Doo episodes where everything is wrapped up in a bow at the end of every episode. Now, mind you I DO expect some real closure at the end of the season. If this all turns into just being a dream of Hurley's – I'll be pissed. If they end it right, and there are actually answers that ultimately make some sense... the show will be legendary.
Sorry to correct, but Alternate Universe Locke is not a gym teacher. He is a substitute.
To curtegg...if you don't watch Lost and don't like Lost, why do you read the blogs???
I don't recall which season but Helen appeared as Locke's finance.
Love the alternate timeline so we're watching multiple stories at once. From a different point of view, since JJ Abrams has paid much tribute to Star Wars throughout the series, love that we're seeing the Sawyer transition. He started out so Han Solo and now seems to be becoming...Anakin Skywalker? MIB waited until he's angry and restless to come at him and turn him to the dark side...(Sorry, but once a Star Wars geek, always one).
What happened to the children who had been on the plane and disappeared the first night on the island? They've never addressed that, have they?
JAX: It looked like 'Cemetary Hill' (where Boone was buried, Paulo & Nikki, etc) – it's just overgrown is all.
WHERESWALT: John & Helen hooked up in flashbacks, when he'd met his father, donated his kidney, etc – he became obsessed with it & drove her away (remember when she found him in his VW outside his father's mansion one night?)
CURTEGG: Then why blog here? There are those of us who think the show is tremendous & have followed it throughout.
Did anyone notice all the crosses/grave markers when Ben, Sun and Frank buried Locke? Were those all former MIB "hosts"...ppl whose bodies had been taken over by Smokey? Or were they the 815 crash victims who've been lost along the way?
What do we know about Helen? have we seen her before? sorry I'm drawing a blank.
Lost is such a contrived series. Oh, we need to tie this loose-end, let's throw in a time-travel scene. The series is pretty lame like so much other television. Glad I moved on after only watching 2 episodes.
Jacob touched Sayid and Hurley AFTER they returned from the island so the parallel storyline is not Jacob influenced. Sawyer saw the kid cause he is turning to the dark side in his grief for Juliet. I bet Sayid would have been able to see the kid too. The big question is will Kate finally figure out that Sawyer and Jack are done being played? Where is Widmore in all of this? Great to see Claire again tho!
I do think that little blonde boy is Aaron !
Lost is the best show on television ! Last night's episode was awesome – it's the show that always keeps you thinking !
So, I came up with a theory last week... Claire DID NOT survive the explosion at New Otherton, just as Sayid did not survive his bullet wound. Sayid did not return because of the spring, but rather, like Claire was claimed/infected. They both initially seem normal, and then later go down hill, like Rouseau's team. Is it really a coincidence that the last person Claire talks to is Miles, as he sees Claire and her dead father walk away.
On to this week: The time line shift that I find most sizable is Locke's life. Who pushed him out of the window? 1. Sawyer still writes his revenge note as a kid... was Locke's dad not the con man, somehow because the island is now sunk? 2. Katey Segal never had the him or me ultimatum for Locke, 3. they like Locke's dad enough to invite him to the wedding. Big shift there, I thought most shifts would be limited to a short time span before or after the flight.
I thought it was an excellent episode. Just the right amount of answers with more to come. I did notice that Kate's name was not on the wall. And the good/evil card is slowing bringing everything together. Ben being the "Judas" character, if you will. The numbers next to the names also correspond with "Hurley's" lottery winnings, correct? I can't wait until next Tues. Excellent script. Excellent acting.
This was a great episode! Ben was human, the man in black made me feel almost sorry for him, and Kate, Sawyer, and the rest of the crew are so real to me it is hard to believe they have lives off screen. I hate to see this show end. I only follow one series and LOST is the one!
Outstanding! Last week WAS a little weak, but as usual, LOST comes through. My thinking is that the young kid is Jacob, regaining strength/stature (maybe the MIB was a little premature in thinking Jacob gone for good?) I also think he lied – JACOB wasn't recording that info on the cave walls, MIB was. My reasoning: when MIB said last season that he'd find a loophole, Jacob answered that "I'll be right here when you do" – at the statue, not this cave. Another question: Helen suggested inviting her parents & John's father to a quickie wedding – if so, then 'sideways John' wasn't tossed out a window by Dad (she'd suggest inviting him THEN!?!?) – how did he end up in a wheelchair? Your comment about Michael Emerson's performance in that scene was also spot-on – great job by him! My only regret with this show, having not missed an episode, is that it's ending this year!
i'm lost with Lost.
Does anyone else think the young boy could be Aaron?
Locke is not the man in black. Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof stated this when they were on jimmy kimmel after the season premiere. Locke is just the smoke monster. The smoke monster may just be the recruiter for the man in black.
Seriously? If it sucks so bad maybe you shouldn't read about it.
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