[Editor's Note: You know the drill by now. If you haven't seen this episode of "Lost" yet, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.]
Well, we were promised answers to five seasons worth of mysteries of "Lost," and Tuesday night's season premiere gave us that - with a heaping helping of more questions to come with it. Yes, this is the same old "Lost," and just like every season premiere there's always at least one big reveal that will make you channel Hurley and say, "Dude."
First and foremost, we now know what happened after a dying Juliet set off a bomb after "the incident"... sort of. The castaways were all sent back into the present day, with what was left of the hatch after Desmond blew it up. Both Sayid and Juliet were still dying. I'm not sure if it quite worked for Sawyer to find Juliet in her last moments after they already shared such a memorable goodbye last season. Juliet (through ghost whisperer Miles) did give us the first of two statements that will continue to leave "Lost" fans' heads scratching: "It worked."
What worked exactly? Well, you see, the plane never crashed. And the island is under water. That would be the "big reveal," and boy was it a stunner. It was pretty remarkable to see what would have happened had the plane not crashed, especially Jack meeting Desmond and Locke prematurely (and just as soon losing track of Desmond - unstuck in time again?). And fascinating to see Hurley explaining that he's extremely lucky - after all, if there was no hatch, there were no numbers to "curse" Hurley.
Meanwhile, the Man in Black, having taken the form of John Locke has used Ben to kill Jacob, who just before dying made another key statement, "They're coming."
Could "they" be the denizens of the temple, which we finally see after the ghost of Jacob tells Hurley to take Sayid there? When they learned that Jacob was dead, it was time to batten down the hatches, while Sayid woke up asking what happened. Great question.
Some quick thoughts:
– So that's what happened to flight attendant Cindy and the kids: They're living in the temple, and they appear to have adapted well over the years.
– Well, the smoke monster mystery is finally solved: It's the Man in Black, who has taken various forms of dead people, and that currently includes Locke. How terribly sad to hear that Locke really is dead and gone, and the Man in Black didn't think too highly of him, nor of Richard Alpert, whom he knocked out and dragged away once he left the statue. He's also not a big fan of ashes, either.
– Where is Christian Shepard's coffin in this new plane crash-less reality? Last we saw him, he was supposedly filling in for Jacob, buddy-ing up with... his daughter Claire, whom we finally saw briefly making an unwitting getaway with fugitive Kate.
– Oh, and how is it that they're on the island in the present, yet the plane didn't crash and the island was underwater in 2004? My best guess: the bomb split the space-time continuum into two pieces.
That's plenty of theories from me for now. Let's hear yours! Did this season premiere deliver enough answers for you? Share your thoughts on video or in the comments below, and check out what iReporters had to say about it here and here.
Bring back Monk.
I've watched every season of "Lost" about three times on dvd. It was not until I began reading Lost forums in the fall of '09 that the notion of Jacob being the "good" guy even remotely crossed my mind. It baffles me that so many are eager to gulp down the Jacob as a Christ-like figure cool-aid. If that's the message Lindelof and Cuse intend to convey, they have a rather twisted view of the Judeo-Christian cultural perspective.
I guess I could endure a pretentious excursion into obscure Egyptian Mythology that's beyond the comprehension of a mainstream American audience. But with so many Biblical references "Lost" has presented, I'll use those themes as my guide.
So, let's review the gospel according to Jacob, shall we?
We first see him in the statue of one of those "false Egyptian gods" of which the Bible speaks so fondly. He's sitting near a flaming pit of fire spinning a yarn. He goes out to retrieve a fish caught in a trap. Spinning yarns, setting traps, a pit of fire? Shall we cue up The Rolling Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil" yet?
Along comes MIB for a little philosophy debate. Jacob appears arrogant, smug, and sarcastic. (But maybe Jacob's creepiness is just the actor's fault.) He seems to be taunting MIB. My take on the conversation is that Jacob is a humanist who believes all man needs is free-will and human trial and error to have their eyes opened to the knowledge of good and evil which will lead them to godliness. (Genesis Chapter Three, anyone?) On the other hand, perhaps MIB believes free-will without a moral compass or a revelation of divine righteousness cannot redeem mankind.
By now we should know that Whispers = Others = Jacob. In season one, before departing on the raft, Walt gives Vincent to Shannon, showing concern for her well-being. Later Walt is kidnapped by Others = Jacob. Then the Walt aberrations begin appearing to Shannon. Those aberrations were preceded by the Whispers weren't they? Eventually, the Walt aberration lures Shannon into the path of a trigger-happy Ana Lucia. Shannon dies in Sayid's arms. (Jacob lured Nadia into the path of a hit-and-run driver who for all we know was working for Jacob. Nadia died in Sayid's arms.) I won't go into my theory that the real living Walt subconsciously became aware of Shannon's demise and then was too much for the Others and Jacob to handle.
In short, Jacob is far from being a Christ-like figure. He leads them into temptation and does nothing to deliver them from evil. He seems to offer his followers no guidance or words of wisdom. You would think the most pure and holy of his followers would be found in the temple. Yet they seemed the most blood-thristy of the bunch. Is Jacob's idea of "progress" hourglasses and drowning ceremonies?
As for the much-maligned Smoke Monster, by my count he's killed far fewer people than the rest of the Island's inhabitants have. Locke looked into the "eye of this Island" and saw something beautiful. The Smoke Monster in Christian's form led Jack to the cave where was found the island's "very own Adam and Eve" and the water supply that would sustain the survivors for a hundred plus days. The Smoke Monster slew Eko, but only after he stubbornly refused to confess his sins and repent. You can't have redemption without repentance.
We have yet to hear Jacob offer up anything resembling profound wisdom or a sermon on the mount. Yet when the Smoke Monster finally spoke it was as if he had just come down from Mount Sinai.
I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN ALL OF YOU!
If I were to add, I BROUGHT THEE OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, OUT OF THE CHAINS OF BONDAGE. YET NOW I FIND YOU SERVING A MAN WHO NEVER REVEALS HIMSELF. A MAN SURROUNDING HIMSELF IN MYSTICISM AND EGYPTIAN MYTH, DWELLING IN THE STATUE OF ONE OF THEIR FALSE GODS. PROFESSING YOURSELVES WISE, YOU HAVE BECOME FOOLS. BUT NOW LYING IN THE SHADOW OF THIS STATUE IS HE WHO WILL SAVE YOU ALL. FOLLOW ME AS YOU FOLLOW HIM.
You see, Jacob did not lie in the shadow of the statue. He was inside the statue. And I hate to disappoint you, but Sayid wasn't in the shadow of the statue either.
You're all idiots.
All of you complaining about some questions being answered but new questions popping up, what do you expect? There has to be questions unanswered or else there is no show.
There will be questions until the end, morons. Otherwise, why have a finale?
Christ there's a lot of complaining on here. Just be patient and all of your questions will be answered in due time, as they should be.
I don't know why everyone commenting on the atomic bomb doesn't get it. The atomic bomb is the energy source that needed the key pressed to prevent the discharge. They created the reality that eventually traps them on the island. Classic paradox.
My bad...Sayid was of course on the plane in the new timeline,he helps Jack save Charlie, who is a bigger mess than he was in the original timeline,
And the island still exists in the new timeline, it's just not easily accessible. I'm guesing that the reason the airline cann't find Christian's body is because it was on the plane and disappeared from it while flying over the submerged island.
Going back to the Egyptian God suggestion I come up with a new thought. Jacob is Horus the son of Osiris and Isis, the first living pharaohs of Egypt. Richard's heavy eye makeup might even be a nod toward the 'eye of Horus' a symbol of devine protection.
The Fake-Locke is Set the god of storms, darkness and chaos, he is the brother of Osiris involved in a long conflict with Horus.
I would be interested in hearing from others on the subject, I'm not very familar on Egyptian history.
It's not the same plane that they were first on. When the stewardess gave Jake a drink and he says 'its not a small drink' she says 'dont tell anyone.' In the original plane ride he asks something along the lines of 'are you sure this isn't against regulation policy?'
not the same plane.
When the show first started, Claire was pregnant. I believe a psychic told Claire that the baby had to be raised by his mother or something bad would happen. The baby, now separated from his mother must have significance. I also think that Walt has more importance but not sure how. Any thoughts?
My random thoughts on the new season:
I believe that we are now watching two seperate timelines. The first taking us back to the original where it all started and the second a timeline where the island has sunk and everyone on it are persumed dead. With Jacob out of the picture in the new timeline, at least physically, he was unable to influence the actions of all our main characters the same way. Hence we have a slightly different mix of people on the plane and some changes in their attitudes and perceptions. Desmond never went on that sailing race probably because Widmore's main focus had changed; for example from getting back to the island to maybe his daughter's happiness. Hurly feels lucky because there's no hatch, no radio message and no curse, just a crap load of cash. Walt and his Dad aren't there because they're not 'needed'. Rose may not have ever got sick. Locke got to go on his adventure, because he didn't need that moral outrage of being told what he could and couldn't do. Where Boone's sister is..I'd have to go back and review the first season to make a guess. Sayid and Claire might have been on the flight, you see Claire in the cab when Kate hijacks it. Sun and Jin's marriage will probably fail now. I think that the spirit of Jacob still has a use for these people, he just is going to go about in a different way.
As for what's going on in the original timeline...Jacob no longer has a physical form and his dark friend may not have had one for a long time. We now have confirmation that he is the smoke monster and that he has been impersonating most of these dead characters. I would be surprised to find out he's able to leave the island, as in Kate's seeeing Claire or Hurly talking to Eko. I think we might find the real Claire at the Temple. As Richard said "dead is dead". I believe that Sayid is dead and that Jacob is perhaps occupying his body now.
I've had a long standing belief that Richard came to the island on the Black Rock and I think that fake-Lockes comment about seeing him without his chains renforces that, although my original thought was that Richard was the owner of the diary that Widmore bought at auction.
I really like an idea that someone else mentioned about the Gods Anubis and Osiris and want to ponder that more.
A theory I'm playing with is that we're not seeing two different realities or timelines. Rather, something will happen on the island this season that will result in the it being submerged under water and our heroes disappearing in a flash. The sidewase "timeline" we're seeing with Jack and company on the plane that never crashes is actually the future (what happens to the castaways after some cataclysmic event in the series finale this season). In effect, we're seeing a flash future to out heroes being given an opportunity to relive their lives again.
Anyone who's wondering what they're going to watch once "Lost" is gone - try "Fringe"! It's a fantastic show with a "Lost"-like mythology...I like to think of it as a mix between ":Lost" and "X-Files". I'm a huge fan of both shows (they're from the same producers) and I'm hoping Fringe stays around for a while.
The temple scene: let's think about it some more.
The temple keepers were told that Jacob was dead. They were told that dead Jacob said to Hurley to bring Sayid there. The water was red/blood. They noticed this but weren't too alarmed to go ahead and walk Sayid's body into that red water.
Then what did they do? They SACRIFICED SAYID to allow Jacob to take over his body! Even Sayid's stance as they took him out was the typical image of a crucified person, arms flayed out to the sides.
The temple guys then said, ok, well, sorry your friend is dead. But then, the resurection of Jacob!
Have the temple guys have done this before??? Who was the man in the Jacob/body- previously- when the "Jacob" spirit took over that body??? Some other luckless man who got fatally injured and brought to the same temple for rescurrection? How much "progress" does Jacob really mean??? Will they start calling Sayid "Jacob"? Or will the new power name be "Sayid"?
I love this show. Always keeps you guessing.....
After season two the show got dumber and dumber. Now I don't care. Pity, it started off well.
I am interested in finding out exactly WHEN the timeline changed. I would have assumed when the flight passed over the island and didn't crash but it was obvious other things had changed which took place long before that moment:
Hurley being lucky. His bad luck started long before he got on 815.
Shannon staying behind in Australia and Boone flying alone.
Jack not remembering Desmond which means he never met Desmond while running in the stadium.
So, how far back prior to the flight did the time line change.
I quit watching it. Did they ever save the cheerleader from Sylar?
vi la serie depues que uds. porque aqui la pasan despues que termina la temporada allla. pero esta vez empieza el dia 9 creo de febrero. he visto saldeados capitulos, no soy una fan terrible de la serie, pero creo despues de tantas idas y vueltas y aparecidos y desaparecidos, que en el final lo que quiere significar la serie es que todos estamos lost, o sea perdidos.sera?. bueno no se pero vere los capitulos finales para ver si tengo razon o no. bueno gracias.
First I have to say that DVR is a wonderful thing: certainly took care of the overabundance of commercials some folks have commented on.
Second: What the heck happenned? Well, I'll throw my 2 cents in too. I like the split reality theory, but I liken it more to what happenned in "The Lake House" 2 stories happening in a different time that eventually catch up with each other. Another thought that occurred to me is remembering way back when to the last episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation". Time flows in a straight line, but what if it flows both ways? An event in the future traveling backward to have a monumental affect on the past, which changes the future once again?
I am willing to make a small wager the explosion in 1977 made something happen in the future that is rippling backwards. The island still exists in the present, but won't in the past, and the farther back in time you go, the greater the differences to what we have already observed will be (ie the personality differences of folks on the plane). That's the neat thing about a paradox; it makes your head hurt to think about it no matter what angle you view it from. Only someone observing multiple points in time would be able to piece it together.
The rest of us are just lost.
Its fairly clear now (lol ya right). This is no doubt God vs. the Devil (or one of Gods Angels). They are both trying to influence Mankind on an island that they use to play out their bet. Can God get the people to make the right choices.......while the evil does just the opposite. It makes sense to me.
Where is Vincent? *woof*
don't know about you, but they lost me after season 3. it must be hard to think of a clifhanger for each episode, and they're trying too hard, but it is still an awesome concept.
Lost would have been an awesome show if they had finished it at the end of the first season. The finish should have been where they all realize they are in some kind of purgatory where they had to come to terms and pay for their sins before they entered the Other Side.
So, perhaps like the Bible, it will be left to your own interpretation. This is how the events continue to be interesting – just as everyone who reads the Bible interprets the same words differently.
It was the detonator, there was not a nuclear blast.
The pirates from the black rock ship are in the temple.
If they say who and/or when the donkey wheel was made I will be satisfied.
I think I fiqured it out! Jacob and the Man in Black have been on the island for a very, very long time. Jacob is good and the Man in Black is evil, Maybe... and both men are using the people from the crash and the others like chess pieces. They both want to control the island. I believe the outcome will be Dr. Jack Shepard and Sawyer will replace Jacob and the Man in black in some weird way. Just a thought, who knows. I do know why the show is called LOST!!!
Just as a small note, the space-time continuum wouldn't be "split into two pieces," rather an alternate– better yet, parallel– reality would have been created.
I predict the show will end with a bang, after which someone will end up, ending the dream which is Lost.
On a more serious note, I believe the show is meant to demonstrate how people can all perceive different realities and follow different philosophies yet still come together. This is especially seen with the philosophical references in Locke, Faraday, and others. Meanwhile it also shows the disagreements and tension between idealistic camps.
"WHY do people like Mark and Rich here insist on calling the bomb an atom bomb? The bomb on the show is a hydrogen bomb, commonly referred to as the H-bomb, which is DIFFERENT than the A-Bomb in both how it reacts and the quantity of energy released. Please pay more attention and don't criticize the writers of the show if you can't do so without displaying your own deficient education."
Actually, the hydrogen bomb is the HUGE 20 ton bomb in the cave last season. The detonator for an "old style" hydrogen bomb as an atomic bomb. (it would cause the deuterium or tritium to go into fusion, creating the massive amount of energy). Lets not overanalyze all this stuff.
Geez. Bill is right. What a bunch of whiners on here! Why can't people just sit back and enjoy the ride. Symptomatic of life – everyone wants instant gratification and immediate answers. I never wanted the questions to end – because that meant the show would end. It will all come together.
And to those who stopped watching after season one, why is it you know about last night's show?
As the final scene on the island completes, the camera will pull back and we will see that the "island" is actually inside a snow globe in the hands of a young autistic Chad Allen. As the camera pulls back further, we see that Chad is seated at a dining table with Bob Newhart and...
... Suzanne Pleshette. We realize that they're in an Italian restaurant. A bell rings when the entrance door opens. Pleshette looks up. Fade to black.
Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the producers of LOST, were on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night. Just wanted to point out that they said Jacob is not 'in' Sayid now. Jimmy asked them this specifically. They said they found that question interesting. And replied "something is inhabiting Sayid, but not Jacob." They also were asked if Locke is possessed by the Man In Black. They told Jimmy no, but Locke is the smoke monster. And yes, there are two realities. One in 2007 on the island, which we've been following for 5 seasons, and one in 2004, where the island is at the bottom of the ocean and the plane didn't crash.
I thought the episode was interesting in how within the new reality....the 2nd World.......or 2nd timeline......some of the dynamics changed. Jack was now the nervous one on the flight and Rose the calm one. I believe that was reverse on the 1st flight. Hurley is now a guy with a large amount of good luck. Boone appears to be a more confident man, and, let's hope, not obsessed with his step sister Shannon. Locke is a calmer person who appears to be accepting what life has handed him, and not wallowing in bitterness. Desmond was on the flight....hello...and recognized by Jack....and wearing a wedding ring. Charlie was the most interesting, after having been revived by Jack, he comments that he shouldn't have let it happen as he was supposed to die. A revelation he came to on the island with Desmond. Kate's backstory was also altered. She didn't kill her father, but instead killed his assistant who came into the office instead of her father. There's a video from ComicCon on YouTube showing this change to her backstory. So she's still a murderer, but her victim is different. I wonder if Sawyer is still a conman and murderer.
Yes there are now 2 realities to follow. There's the H-bomb destroys island, no plane crash reality. But without the Island for all those years many other things would be different, we've only seen the plane making it to LAX. I think we'll find out that there will be many more differences. And by the way, most of the people appear to be going down a bad path in this reality.
"okay so where are the people from the tail section? why were they not shown on the plane last night?"
Bernard was in the tail section originally. I think they mostly didn't bother with the tailies because they all died and were sort of dead ends, storywise. And some of the actors they can't get back, such as Mr, Eko and Ana Lucia. Shannon wasn't in the tail section, but she was not on the plane because Maggie Grace wasn't available.
I think what was meant by "it worked" means that they did succeed in stopping the plane from crashing. The two alternative realities that we are now watching may be due to the fact that "time" has not caught up to them yet and may happen at mid season or the end of the season?
This show really brings out the geek in me!
Love the show, but not this two-parter so much. if the bomb did go off, there is no way it would have sank the island. No islands were lost during all of the A-bomb tests of the '50's and '60's. Don't like the split universe concept. Pick one way or the other, producers. And more Others? Come on. And why would the detonation of the bomb transport them to another time? They're not following even their own crazy rules of time shifting. I truly believe the co-creators when they said that they have no idea where the show is headed at the end of last season. This was a sort of Hail Mary effort.
And to the one poster who complained that there was no Spoiler Alert. There was - the first thing the writer wrote.
A lot of opposite things are happening on the plane. Bernard and Rose have switched personalities. On the island, Bernard is the calmer person. On the plane this time, Rose is the reassuring calm person.
Great episode and looking forward to next week.
My theory, however misguided it may be, is that now that Jacob is "dead" I believe The Man in Black will be killed as well leaving a void to fill the good and evil. Jack and Sawyer will fill those respective roles with the death of Juliet and possibly Kate fueling the feud. Just something about Sawyer's lines in reference to killing Jack threw up a flag with me for some reason.
Desmond was on the plane because in that timeline, there would have been no island for him to have landed on when he made his around the world boat treck. The island was sent to the bottom of the ocean in 1977, so everything was changed just a little b/c of no island. Shannon wasn't on the plane this time around, because with the island gone, small events add up to make decisions and paths different for everyone. 30 years of not having Dharma people go to/from the island and into the real world slowly but surely changed the future for everyone.
February 3rd, 2010 5:51 pm ET
worst. television show. ever.
All you mindless media gobblers sit there year after year lapping up mediocre storytelling because you're told that's what's "good".
Lost is a franchise built with the sole purpose of selling advertising. "But all TV is built to sell advertising", you would say.
Not true... good television succeeds in telling well-crafted, compelling, satisfying stories, AND selling advertising. Lost fails terribly in this regard.
All the "mysteries" are bull#$%^ story lines designed to perpetuate the show's existence, which means more ad dollars.
The only reason the show is ending is because they finally ran out of bull#$%^.
I say good riddance
DUDE, you need a woman in your life!!!!!
I've seen several references in these comments to the positioning of Sayid's body when they brought him out of the water (arms outstretched like Jesus)... however, since this is show centers so much on faith/science, I'm wondering if – given Sayid's conversation with Hurley about the horrible things he'd done and where he would go when he died – this wasn't more symbolic of baptism, rebirth and cleansing, as opposed to anything else. Just a thought.
Lost is a franchise built with the sole purpose of selling advertising. "But all TV is built to sell advertising", you would say.
Not true... good television succeeds in telling well-crafted, compelling, satisfying stories, AND selling advertising. Lost fails terribly in this regard.
The only reason the show is ending is because they finally ran out of bull#$%^.
I say good riddance!
I loved the show last night but one question that I had was in the 8-9pm flashback, they never covered Mr. Ecko or the tail section of the plane. I really liked bringing back some of the old dead characters but still am hoping to see Mr. Ecko at some point.
Never thought it would happen but this is the only show I actually make plans to watch. Personally though I am glad it is ending. It is hard to keep a great show interesting and entertaining. Some shows are like athletes and don't know when to call it quits. When have you ever seen a program of this caliber ending on its own terms without trying to drag it out an few extra seasons. Outside of the time frame between seasons (and the shortened season 5 was it?), this has been perfect!
After the season finale it will be back to reading a book or something versus the mindless reality crap they are attempting to force on us, or the fornicating doctor and lawyer shows that are prevalent these days.
Are these shows getting ratings because there isn't anything else on or do people actually like them?
the question taht still stays in my mind is what did teh man in black mean when he said "its good to see you out of chains" to richard? finally some more insight to richard one of teh biggest secrets of teh show. teh back and forth stuff with teh survivers of 815 wasnt any thing i didnt expect but the sunk island and teh peopel at teh temple defenatly through me off. over all an awsoem first episode still too many question left to say if they will be able to pull off so many questions answered in so little time while adding new ones but the season has a lot of potential
I can only imagine what writing in Abrahm's office must be like.
"Hm..out of ideas for Lost. I know! Time travel and alternate realities.
Gotta work on Fringe next. Hey, Peter is from an alternate reality where Walter made a deal to replace his dead son. Hey! They gave me Star Trek. Screw all the old fans. I'm going to start it over but to keep from getting lynched I'll have to think of something novel.
I know! An alternate reality!"
Why was Desmond on the plane when he was supposed to be on the ground (not entering the numbers)? Why wasn't Boones sister on the plane with him? Is Locke really dead, and if so, who the heck is the new Locke-ness Monster? I thought this was Locke from a different time. What happened to Jack's fathers body? He was on the plane with the first time, so where did he go? Why were there so many commercials?
You're all going to be disappointed when at the end of the final episode the scene goes dark and we cut to pee wee herman waking up from a long nap. What a weird dream Cherry!
okay so where are the people from the tail section? why were they not shown on the plane last night?
I do not think that Jacob will manifest in Sayid's body at all...that's too easy & nothing about this show is easy. I think Sayids death & resurection is more like young Ben...who was also saved from near death by the others (same type of injury and we never saw how they saved him) Kate was told by Richard before taking young Ben that he will be changed permanently and the losties were told the same by this new character before saving Sayid.
These new characters are def part of the others...specially bc Richard seemed to know that the firecrackers in the sky meant big trouble!!!
At some point I think Jack will die & Jacob will manifest in his form, but not his body...just like Lock...this back & forth struggel will continue between the two.
I love the show since it started and it's bittersweet...I want answers, but I'm also sad to see it all go :(
Okay- I am a LOST fan and support it and all its varied beautiful and thought provoking layers all the way. I understand many people do not hold the same opinion I do- a glorious part of being a diverse species. HOWEVER- if you want to slam the show and its writers you may want to be familiar with the correct names of characters you are calling out and be aware of the scenes you are tearing apart. There are a lot of mistakes made by people trashing the show that obviously watched the same thing I did (Mark towards the top of these comments calls Juliet Julia and talks about the bomb not destroying the forest when they actually state that no bomb had gone off in that particular reality). Perhaps it is peoples attention to detail- or lack thereof- that ... nevermind. Enough said. I am sure I have offended some 2 deminsional thinkers out there already. Just- PAY ATTENTION BEFORE YOU RIP SOMETHING APART. Pease and thank you.
I think the smoke monster is the good guy and Jacob is the bad one...remember when the pirate ship was coming in and the smoke monster guy told Jacob that he hates him because of the death and devastion he brings to the island everytime he draws someone in and Jacob looked like he was enjoying of the damage he caused by doing so? Poor Locke, hope he's resurrected before the last episode.
OK, Here's my take. Bomb goes off, blows up energy pocket, splits time line into 2 branches.
Branch 1, Plane flies over submerged island (No more Jacob/others/Dharma/etc.). People go on with lives to demonstrate what they can/can't be be (Sawyer robs Hurley, Kate goes on run, Jack cures Locke, Jack and Juliet meet at medical conference, Sayid marries love of his life, Charlie does time, Claire goes back to Australia after reconnecting with Mom. Etc., etc...
Branch 2, Still on island, Sawyer turns to Kate for love, Jack continues his distraction as he rediscovers faith, Sayid is not quite just Sayid (Where did Jacob' Doppleganger go after he told Hurley to take Sayid to Temple?), MIB/Monster turns out to be an alien stranded here millenia ago (as was Jacob)...notice how MIB referred to "they" always fighting and killing- the pessimism of having observed it so many years before, while Jacob referred to new beginning and "Progress".
Jack & etc. plus others cooperate to overcome the MIB/Monster
It's all going to resolve into commentary about achieving your potential and controlling your own destiny and not being victim of circumstance.
Touchstone has been the tension between Jack's and Locke's viewpoints. They will do something together in branch 1 that will unite the two.
Sayid is Jacob.
Thought: Sayid did come back to life in the end of the episode, but is it really Sayid or could it be Jacob using his body just like the black smoke did with Locke.
Lulu – no body? Jacob is dead – so needs a body to go on. MIB isn't Dead, took over a dead body to fool Ben into killing jacob...my guess.
What about Vincent? Does anyone care or even seem concerned that nothing affected this dog on the island? I hope he is reunited with Walt. Other than that I loved loved loved the show. Still just as confused as ever though.
also... this means that new locke (really mib) told real locke that he was going to have to die through richard in the jungle after he was shot... knowing that he was going to take his body once they returned...... then he could make ben do whatever he wanted.. does this make any sense.. i feel like i may be going crazy tying knots in my own brain
I have to laugh at some of these posts. You can tell who peeks at or just outright opens their Christmas presents early. Patience, people! All questions will be answered in time. I have faith in the writers.
I don't watch much tv at all, but Lost sucked me in from the 1st show, and I am still enjoying the ride!
Chris, in the alternate timeline, the island is underwater, with no Swan station and no button to push. Same reason why the plane did not crash. No Desmond/Swan station to bring it down.
here's what i think regarding the smoke monster (aka. mib/new locke).... before taking locke's body, he took jack's dad's body. he was restricted to that cabin by the ash that was always surrounding it... that's why those people freaked out when they got to the cabin and saw that the ring of ash was broken during the finale last seaon.. thoughts???
The show started as a study in characters. I wonder if it is possible that we'll find that through all the drama and sci-fi adventure, the purpose of the show is to simply show how these lost people will fatefully meet and change each other for the better, regardless of which life turns out to be the real one.
cs441 – excellent post! I agree.
Also, I kinda feel sorry for the folks who couldn't seem to stick with Lost, and are now critical of it. They sure are missing a great ride!
I think that Man in Black is a form of the Egyptian god Seth and Jacob is the god Osiris. Thus many of the Egyptian symbols, heiroglyphs, statues, temples and Richard's eye liner. I believe the island is a battleground of sorts for man's final decision, are they good or evil. Jacob and the MIB embody this struggle and are working to see it play out. MIB has the upper hand right now by leveraging Ben's faith and his spurn of Locke being chose over him, to kill Jacob. If this is really what's going on the Ben has done enough evil to destroy the planet!!!
DS–YES! The water was clear right before they showed Sayid coming back to life. I kept waiting for Kate or Jin or Hurley to so. I like the theories that MiB is Locke now and Jacob will encompass Sayid's lbody. My utmost sympathies that the real John Locke was truly killed, but like a couple posts here i drew a parallel between the new Star Trek's time-continuum theory and Lost's plot when I first saw the movie. It would go a long way in explaining why we are seeing what would have happened had the plane not crashed at this the beginning of the end.
And what did MIB/Locke mean by telling everybody on the beach that he was very disappointed in all of them? Like they had all failed somehow... ? God I love this show!
SAYIID is the new Jacob.
Here's a head scratcher for ya...When 815 crashed, Desmond (who was responsible for not keying in the sequence which caused the magnetic pulse which crashed the plane) was already on the island. Soooo what was he doing on a plane that he wasn't on in the first place since he was a button pusin' on the island? (it hurts just typing it!)
"Lm February 3rd, 2010 2:25 pm ET
I like lost but have 2 Theories – 1) the crash never happened, someone is dreaming this adventure or telling a made up story to someone else. 2) all of this is fiction, someone is writing a book and we are just witnessing that persons vivid imagination"
LOL – I'm going with #2 – some writers with a vivid imagination wrote some fiction and put it on tv for our enjoyment.
I think Sayid is dead and Jacob in now using his body, just the the MIB does.
It's the same time line and the same people. The ones that arrived safely at LAX in 2004 will somehow end up on the Island in 2007.
You gotta love the people who have the guts to admit to not being able to understand Season 1. Season 1 went at a snail's pace compared to the least couple of seasons. And I don't mean that as a critcism - Season 1 will always be my favorite. But I mean, how could someone not follow Season 1? Does it really throw some people so much to watch a show that isn't one of the dime-a-dozen police procedurals, courtroom dramas, or medical soap operas? Good Lord.
But then, you also have to love the people who continue to watch Lost yet complain constantly about the "unanswered questions." So you want an episode that explains EVERYTHING? That's your idea of good storytelling? Sure. Forget the characters. Forget the enjoyment to be had in watching a mystery, or the awe of watching good science fiction. And certainly forget that life is all about unanswered questions. "What does my boss really think of me?" "What did Susan mean by that?" "Does my mom have cancer?" I hate to sound arrogant, but I have to agree with those whose response to such whining is to say "go watch something simple." Lost isn't simple and isn't intended to be. By the end of the series, I'm sure a lot of questions WILL be answered, but there will be others that won't be. So? Why does everything need an answer?
Lost is like the old time serials. Each installment would end with a cliffhanger - i.e., unanswered questions. "How will the hero survive? What happens next?" The next installment would start with the answer to those questions but would end with a new cliffhanger. And... Has anyone here ever read a book? Books are constantly raising questions, answering questions, raising new questions.
Lost is doing exactly what it should be doing - telling a great story. Is it perfect? Of course not. (And no, I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain about the things that bug them. Go ahead and complain. But complaining about the very nature of the show seems a bit silly.) What is? If you don't like it, don't watch. There are a lot of other shows out there.
I think the show is great...but I do get annoyed with the crazy amount of commercials I have to watch (or fast forward thru with my DVR). This is why programming is unbareable on major networks. Everything is so damn commercial that there are even 'commercials' or 'product placement' within the shows now!
The temple thing has made it interesting again...I hope they can keep it up through the rest of the shows to keep our interest. With all these questions people are asking about old plots and characters...who the hell are these new hippy children that live at the temple? And...who is the Kung-Fu master? Maybe Jet Li can make a cameo for an awesome fight sequence. LOL.
@ Michael C- "Hippies from the Temple of Love." ROFLMAO!!!!!!
does anyone else find it strange that a flight from australia contained NO australian passengers (besides claire)? ...weird
I have loved this show since it began, and with exception to the first few episodes of Season 3, I have appreciated everything they have thrown at us. A few things to note after reading some comments here:
-The Losties that were in 77 are NOT at the construction site after the bomb exploded, but well at the Swan station well after Desmond imploded it. (Kate and Miles discuss this at the beginning of the episode.
-Man In Black (MIB) is definitely the smoke monster. He has also appeared as several dead characters (Christian Sheppherd, Ecko's brother Yemi and now John Locke.) This was the "loophole" he was looking for to kill Jacob.
-The part throwing me off is the alternate timeline where the plane doesn't crash. Is this history "course correcting"? (Eloise Hawking's words, not mine.)
-I like the idea that Jacob may be using Sayid as a proxy, but I am not 100% on board with that idea... yet... we shall see.
The one thing that really baffles me, is that people love to blast a show they don't watch and even take the time to post how much they dislike it. I can't imagine wasting my time talking badly about a show I don't watch. I wouldn't even read the article, much less post something at all. I guess some people truly don't have lives! LOL
Way to confusing for me to get into this show. I have tried. So... if LOST ends this season will they then have FOUND.. The prequel.
The story is still a scattered mess. I wouldnt say there were any answers in the premiere episode. There is a sense of direction happening with the storyline, I'd say. Still no one can make any conclusions yet.
Im still sticking to my earlier theory... Purgatory.
Juliet's death AFTER the realities split is going to be CRUCIAL! (i think)
She said to Sawyer, "Lets have coffee sometime."
Wouldn't it be interesting if her spirit connected with her body in the United States and she instantly knew what the hell was going on? I believe she may be a key in bringing all the people together.
To all the people who aren't smart enough to keep up with the show because it's too confusing (wah wah) – keep your dumb comments to yourself because no one here cares whether you stopped watching years ago or it's too confusing or any other irrelevant opinion you have overall. If you really didn't care for it then why take the time to post comments to a story specifically about the show? You just make yourselves look like losers!!
On that note – great show last night!! Now the best part begins with all the new theories! Love to read comments from people who actually enjoy the show and comprehend it enough to formulate thought provoking theories i.e. the Losties "awakening" after their island deaths into their "alternate" selves in the parallel dimension.
I will truly miss this show when it's gone. People get hung up on the mystery and mythology, but I really think it's the character writing that makes Lost what it is. One thing that baffles me though- Why are there so many people who seem to hate the show, yet they go out of their way to watch 15 minutes of one episode, then bash it for being stupid and nonsensical to anyone who"ll listen? Yes, Lost isn't a show for everyone. It requires an investment on the part of the viewer and won't spell everything out for you. To really appreciate the show, you have to think a little and make some of the connections yourself. If you don't like it, that's fine. Stick to watching American Idol, or Friends on DVD, or whatever the heck it is you watch.
I think Sayid is the new Jacob. The note said they (the temple dwelers) were all in trouble if Sayid died. It would also be fitting given his past life and all the harm he did.
Jumped Shark Seasons Ago.
After reading the comments on Lost, first of all, anyone who intensely watches this show, or not, would understand that Sawyer would NEVER leave Juliett. Get it? Ever. He would never had agreed. Now, the only thing I would like to say is that I, myself, believe that Lost was programmed to reach a certain target audience globally when it began to see how many people could follow or theorize on the actual events taking place at certain times. In plain words, to see who could really still think. As to being biblical, quantum, alternate universal reality, it does not matter. Lost is a great program to force thought and thought only.
Now, my version on Lost:
Lost was programmed and pushed through five years to prepare for a change. I remember watching the program that was in place of Lost's spot at the beginning of this year, called "V". V is the same exact series that was shown to the public in 1985 while we were at the height of the cold war. While we continue to watch Lost in deep thought, soon to be on the same channel is "V". There is no cold war now, but there is international global economic and climatic chaos! What followed right after lost? Was it the news? What was the first thing to be on the news? Our government officials of the USA had told us that within months a terrorist attack, either internal or external, was imminent and certain. Please, all Lost fans: I do not care about religion or not, I am not crazy, I am on no medications, and I am not a conspiracy theorist, but like you, I think. All I am asking you is to please connect the dots.
"Teri" – Yes, I agree with the "Sopranos" ending. I hope too that they don't do that. That was really frustrating. Unfortunately, I have a gut feeling that that's what they are going to do. Like showing close-up of an eye opening (the way they began the show) and then a flash of white/black.
Over the years, I've gotten really frustrated with the manipulative writing and never-ending circle-jerking. But, like a dope, I keep coming back for more. All I can say is I sincerely hope JJ Abrams doesn't pull a "Sopranos" ending on all of us. Boy, will I be pissed!!!
In the end, we'll see Bob Newhart wake up in his Chicago bed and reflect on a really wierd dream.
The comment by my buddy Mark was hillarious. If you had been paying attention then you would have seen that when Juliet detonated the bomb, it moved the island forward to present time. And the rubble she was lying in was the hatch that was destroyed by Desmond and not the atom bomb. Why don't you go back to watching the biggest loser and other reality crap shows, seems third graders can write those shows too. Hhaha so many unintelligent people in this country.
Agree with Mickey. I guessJacob's blood awakened Sayid's body. That would explain why the water wasn't clear.
For the one who complained about the spoiler...helloooo...what were you expecting? It's the day after the most anticipated episode since more than 6 months. What did you think this article would be about?
Lost??? They lost me around episode 5 of season 1. Never watch it since. I guess it my loss, or is it??
This is the best show I've seen to date ! Of course it's frustrating because it spins your brain around and gives you mystery upon mystery with hardly any answers. I think that only people with no patience hate this show. Because the faithful audiences have been incredibly patient while waiting for answers from the writers. But kudos to the writers for keeping millions of people so badly hooked. I, for one was super super excited as soon as the clock turned 9 pm. I sat with bated breath as I saw a plane cruising through the clouds – and the character's roles a little inverted. Remember in the original 815 it was Jack who said to Rose that "It's normal" and the original Hurley considered himself "cursed". But in this new flight things were a little the other way around. It was super fun to watch that. But the real OMG moment for me was when the view panned out to the clouds and deep deep below to the ocean and I saw Dharma cottages and then the Foot – totally submerged. Wow! The only thing I could say was "WHOA !"
And to clarify things for myself I read an interview from the producers of the show who said that the two timelines were neither flash-forwards nor flash-backs, instead they were FLASH-SIDEWAYS. This is their "new story-telling device" and they are making some sort of alternate-reality / multiple-universe thing. I don't know. But if I were to guess – both timelines might turn out to be true. The survivors might do something in the present that would reset time and destroy the island (That would be a real waste of a "special" island, btw). Thus – you would see the no-crash scenario coming true and the island submerged.
And for the people who are confused about Desmond being on the plane and Shannon not there – if it is an alternate reality thing, then things would be different for people. Everything need not be exactly the same as the original 815. Since the plane never crashes, and apparently the island doesn't exist, the lives of the characters would be different than what we saw the first time around. So Desmond CAN be on the plane (co-incidence or whatever) and Shannon might CHOOSE to not be on the plane.
But I did notice one thing – the same characters who had an alliance on the island did seem to interact on the plane. Like Boone interacting with Locke and saying that "If this plane crashes, I'm sticking with you". And that's what he did on the island. Like Christian's body being missing. It's like fate is making things happen like they are supposed to. Like Charlie says on the plane "I'm supposed to die". Even if you try to change your destiny – it will catch up to you in some other way. This has been a redundant theme on the island.
Anyhow, I love this show. It twirls my brain around and keeps me working on new theories. I'm so excited about the next episode.
Oh, and I'm so not looking forward to the withdrawal I'm going to go through after May.
Overall I thought it was good. The music is still very annoying, and I found myself hitting the mute button before each scene ended so I didn't have to hear the screeching violins. And I think the Sawyer/juliet scene was way overdone and ended up fast forwarding though it and the dozens of commercials. But I did get to see yummy Desmond for a little bit!
Mark – funny. Right on though.
Sayid is NOW Jacob. Isn't it obvious?
My brother in law is one of the show's writers and we got him totally wasted at my cousin's wedding. He isn't legally allow to disclose any information but this is what we pulled out of him:
1) Shannon stayed back in Austrailia because she is pregnant and in a healthy relationship....but its now with that tool that left Claire. So the father of Claire's baby, or Jacks's nephew, or Jack's dad's grandson is now that father of Shannon's baby. So in reality, Boone is Jack's dad's grandson's mother's step brother (and ex lover). Did you follow?
2) Desmond never left Penny. They are together and enjoying Penny's wealth. He was in Austrailia looking at an investment in an iron ore mining company. It is just coincidence that he is on the place and it is not relevant. This is just my dumb-ass step brother messing with the viewers because he is a dick.
3) Sayid will wake up as Mr. Eco. This will confuse Mr. Eco because he is now a black man trapped in an Iraqi body. He will struggle to speak properly because he will not be used to his new Iraqi/British accent. When he does speak he will communicate his frustration that the Smoke Monster may be racist. The temple people will moderately disagree. Oh.......the real leader of the temple people is not the Japanese Samuri (from the Last Samuri) its Emi....Mr. Eco's brother. Emi is however a Samuri and will fight the Smoke Monster in the season finale. Download Fake Conversation on iPhone
**I love lost, got one question, why would Desmond be on the plane in the other reality? wasnt desmond already on the island when the plane crashed? if so, why would he be on the airplane? and then disappear from the plane.***
If the island was sunk in the 1970s in an atom bomb blast then not only would it not cause the plane to crash but Desmond Hume wouldn't have encountered it in his sailing (if he went on the race at all or even encountered Ms. Hawking)
there is no two time frames, one story is 2004 – the plane didn't crash, the other is 2007 and they ended up on the island even without the plane crashing, ie fate that they ended up on the island anyway
Was the healing pool at the temple the same body of water found in the underground station where Charlie drowned seasons ago?
for those who can't understand and can't follow the show, you aren't really watching it too closely, or you're just not very intelligent.
MIB was the one who instructed Ben to get Locke to help him in previous years. Locke was supposed to Die so that when he came back to the Island, the MIB could take over his body. that's why he had to die in order to convince them, as well as to re-create the circumstances of the crash. Jacob needed those characters to be there on the Island so that when it came down to Jacob dying, they'd be able to save the island. it's not that complicated.
But it's also not that simple either and for those who think it's so simple, you are clearly not really paying attention and you will soon be disappointed.
The comment by "Mark February 3rd, 2010 9:53 am ET" missed the mark. The atomic bomb exploding in the 70's did not effect the hatch in the future. The tangled metal was due to the implosion caused by Desmond.
A few ideas on things happening here:
The bomb did go off. However, the magnetic pulse (which apparently travels faster than the nuclear heat wave) triggered the island's time shift function befrore Jack, Sawyer and team were vaporized.
Since a change in the time line would have caused a paradox (how could Jack and friends travel to the island's past and trigger an atom bomb there if they did not crash there in the first place?), a new universe was created. (This happens all the time in quatum mechanics, since each of our decisions automatically creates multiple universes where we could have made other decisions – theoretiacally, at least).
This parallel universe is one where Oceanic flight (whatever that number was) did not crash and continuted to its destination.
The current universe, however, is one where the heroes find themselfes back on the island in present time, things being pretty much the same as when they left them.
A few questions spring up, however (what a shock). For example, why are the universes still connected? Jack's father's coffin still likely ended up on the island (in the alternate reality where the crash did happen). Also, how did Hurley get those numbers to win his lottery, if the hatch never existed (in his universe) and the crazy french woman never got stranded there and never sent out a distress call?
Furthermore, how did Juliett know that the bomb succeeded (partially)? Did she glimpse the alternate reality in her last moments?
Maybe that is the destiny of all the Oceanic survivors: to die on the island and have their consciousness merge with their counterparts...
As far as the smoke monster, Jacob, and whoever Jacob referred to when he said "They're coming!" – I have another crazy theory.:
Perhaps all of these supernatural beings are visitors from the future. Post-humans, evolved through technology to be immortal (their true form encompassed in clouds of nano-machines resembling smoke monsters). At some impossibly distant point in time they figured out a way to turn the island into a giant time-machine that moves itself back through time (one day at a time) instead of forward. They probably did it to escape some cataclysim that even they could not survive.
Perhaps Jacob (himself a smoke-monster from the future) chose to de-evolve into human form (which made him vulerable to things like knives) and figured out a simple way to keep the other smoke-monsters at bay (e.g.: reprogrammed their nanomachines to stay away from ash), but not before one (now impersonating Locke) got through.
They probably planned to colonize the present (and past) of our world and set up their own alternate universe where they would rule (and murder for fun just like the original smoke monster) until the apocalypse, then go back in time again and mess up another parallel universe.... For whatever reason, Jacob could not permit that to happen.
Perhaps this also explains how the island heals some injuries: the physical bodies of its occupants move back through time, but their conscousness somehow keeps going forwrd. (I know, it doesn't make much sense to me either).
Someone mentioned Jacob taking Sayid's body.....when did he (smoke) have the opportunity? Very interesting...........Hmmmm.
[quote]The plane ride is the present and it doesn't crash- the island scenes are flashbacks and will lead up to how they come to be back on the plane again.[/quote]
Actually the post bomb island scenes are present and the "plane didn't crash" scenes obviously take place 90+ days before.
We know the two groups shown throughout the episode in "the present" are in the same time/place because Richard Alpert (beach/statue) sees the flare of the Hippies from the Temple of Love
Love "Lost". Didn't want it to go off because I am a true fan.
I believe the words "It worked" was that the bomb did send them back. That is why Sayid could not die. He was on the plane when they were returning to LA. If "J" was pregnant, she was dying and it would not have mattered to tell him that.
–For those fussing about spoilers, please read the obvious Editor's Note at the top of the page!!
–My take on the two-time-line thing: When they set off the bomb it created a temporal paradox. One solution to a paradox is that every resolves into one non-paradox timeline (as in Back To The Future). Another is for both timelines to exist in parallel from the past point where they diverged until some future event (the moment where someone time-travelled back) where the two resolve back into one.
–As for Locke being dead, he seems to be a major character even if he's not himself these days. I think the whole series boils down, ultimately, to his faith vs Jack's science. I hope we'll see the real Locke again. Terry O'Quinn is one of my favorite actors.
–I like Gayle's line: Perhaps the concept of 'home is destiny'. I think she's on to something.
–Matt's right about Sayid & Julie, but I wouldn't write her off just yet. Isn't this year's series about 'redemption'?
–As for NotSoLost, it takes an A-bomb to set off fusion. They took out the (small) plutonium A-bomb core, remember? In a real one the hydrogen part would be inside the plutonium, but, hey, close enough. (Charlie's room wouldn't have completely flooded either, but otherwise they do pretty good on technical stuff). Where the bomb went off was way down, a hundred feet or better, judging from the shaft Julie fell through. The explosion would have been mostly contained underground. What was left was capped off (remember the magnetic concrete wall?) and the 'hatch' station was built over the top of it. Julie ended up in the hatch, which was as close as she could get to where she had been 30 years ago without ending up underground, which would have been harder to film. But I would think that Dharma van should have ended up pretty rusty by now.
I think Jacob is coming back as Sayid to battle Locke.
They've made it a bit easier to understand thanks to their constant references through S5 to time as a single string that they travel along. Farraday told us many times that they were moving backwards and forwards in time, but there's no way to jump to an entirely new string. When they blew up the bomb in combo with the island's unique energies, they didn't create an entirely separate time string- they untwined their current one, so it splits into two divergent paths. Now we're sliding between the paths. I'm diggin it.
Ben definitely has lost his creepiness about him now that everyone else is turning into different people. This episode was excellent and I wish it never ended. It will be a shame to see such a creative show go. It would be cool if they would did some kind of spin off, but I have a feeling it wouldn't be half as good as the original.
For all of you folks whorail about the show, why did you watch it in the first place? I mean, by now, you have an idea of the tone of the show and that it is confusing at times. If you don;t nejoy, don't watch it.
I like lost but have 2 Theories – 1) the crash never happened, someone is dreaming this adventure or telling a made up story to someone else. 2) all of this is fiction, someone is writing a book and we are just witnessing that persons vivid imagination.
It's amazing to me how long "Lost" has managed to keep the same group of people captivated with the same lame gimmicks. I stopped caring back around Season 3, when they started contradicting themselves six or seven times an episode, just to prove that they could and still have Fanboys call them "brilliant".
I am thinking that if the 1974 "hatch hole" was sucking everything into it, the atom bomb would have imploaded and that is why everything was not destroyed. I blew inward taking everything into the electromagnetic spectrum sending everyone into different aspects of time
This show got lost with its own cleverness about three years ago and I stopped caring about what is going since the writers clearly don't know what is going on either......
The point of this show is LOST on me.
Well, this was an interesting episode that was exhilarating at times & disappointing at others.
The opening scene of moving through the water to see the island is on the bottom of the sea was a new special effect for the show & it felt a little cheesy.
The man in black being the smoke monster made me wonder why I didn’t think of that theory before.
Why was the water muddy? The test of cutting his palm & trying to heal it didn’t seem to work but they put Sayin in the water anyway. Why did they have to take off the jumpsuit but not the rest of his clothes? Need to show off his GUNS!!!
Not sure how what or who Sayid is – when they took Ben to the temple we don’t know if he had to die to be healed too. We have seen the resurrection as a theme in other episodes. He was too weak to put up that much of struggle as they held him underwater so it seemed to heal him for a while.
When they talked before he was taken to the temple Sayid was remorseful and expected to go to Hell. Now he has a chance to redeem himself.
The hippie with John Lennon glasses & the Asian leader with the Fu Manchu doing bonsai was a little too much stereotyping for me. Where was the incense & beads?
Why do they temple people have so many guns, they can’t stop the smoke monster, they are can kick butt w/o them & they are in their protected temple. Seems like overkill.
What was in the guitar was a little disappointing but all answers may not be what we want & that part of the story is over.
I expect the leader in the temple is going to talk to Jack about Christian – Christian is very important to this story not sure how…
If they did blow up the bomb back in the 70’s & it put them back on the plane but that means everyone on the island died including those in the temple, Jacob etc.. I just can’t wrap my mind around how that worked.
For those who hate the show in the blog – do not acknowledge them it only feeds their ego. You can be critical but if you take the time post that you hate the show then you are just screaming for attention. It’s like having a really long post like this.
i love lost, got one question, why would Desmond be on the plane in the other reality? wasnt desmond already on the island when the plane crashed? if so, why would he be on the airplane? and then disappear from the plane.
Jo: The guy sitting between Locke and Boone made a brief appearance last season as one of the survivors of Oceanic 815. He was killed on the beach by an arrow. I don't think there was any significance except to show some of the other survivors on the plane.
All: This was mentioned a couple of times, but what do people think about Sayid actually being Jacob? That's what I initially thought last night, but others have brought up the point about the MIB becoming others, but not actually taking over the bodies. For example, MIB = John, but John's body lies on the beach. MIB = Mr. Eko's brother, but his body is in the plane. Would this also be true for Jacob and Sayid?
This is the first time I have seen Lost but it was easy to follow after the summary since there is no discernible timeline. The only question I would ask is why should I care what happens when anything can happen? I will continue to watch the final season to see if any of it makes sense but the story is one which Rod Serling could've completed in a 1 hour episode and left you with your mouth agape in surprise at the end.
Love the show, have from the very first episode. Hate all the damm commericals, it's like every five minutes. Even though it was the season's first episode I felt I saw more commericials than lost !
Why did Boone say his sister did not get on the plane...why was Desmond on the plane?
Oh, LOST – you are so aggravating & exhausting to watch... but soooo delicious & addicting, too!
Sayid is dead.... Jacob is using his body, no??
Whats with the ash being used as protection against black smoke guy?
I expect that the survivors on the island need to accomplish “something” (??) then the two separate lives they are unknowingly leading will converge. But will they ultimately live out the rest of their lives on the island or in LA? Seems they may be happier on the island. Hmmm…
Why do so many viewers believe Jacob is now using Sayid's body just "like MIB uses Locke's"?? MIB as Locke walked right past Locke's body on the sand – so MIB is not using Locke's body but only appears as Locke. In contrast, there is only one Sayid (and one Sayid body). Just wanted to point that out!
I can't believe I stuck it out. After all I am sane, somewhat intelligent, and a reasonable guy. So I can say with relief just go away. I will never watch it again. It is beyond ridiculous.
It clear that Jacob is now Syed! So it set's up Smokie-Locke vs Syed
Well isn't it obvious that the plane didn't crash in 2004.
However, in 2007 they are still on the island? Why? Because sometime between 2004 and 2007 they end up on the island again.
I've been wondering since season 1 how Charlie ended up on the beach after we saw him running into the bathroom near the cockpit. It was interesting that last night, they showed Charlie in the bathroom near the back of the plain. Just an observation.
A few of my thoughts:
I think Scott quite a few posts earlier is correct in that it's not two seprate realities, but that the non-crash scenario are actually some sort of flashbacks, because the crew is on the island in the present day 2007. Don't ask me how they return to the island, I don't know either...yet.
Someone was asking why Desmond was on the plane as well in the non-crash scenario....reason being since the H-bomb sunk the island in the 1970's, the electromagnetic energy didnt pull his boat to the island, so Desmond completed his boat race, never having even seen the island. As for being on the plane...conincednce?
I also noticed the way Sayid was lifted out of the water and totally agree he is Jacob reincarnate. And the water turning murky was totally related to Jacob's death.
My own theory now, back in season 5 when Jacob and the MIB are on the beach talking, MIB says that the people Jacob is bringing to the island (the boat in the distance) will never change, but Jacob believes they can. I think this whole island is a big human/moral experiment that the two are playing, and the MIB wants nothing to do with it, hence him saying he wants to go home. That makes me think the MIB is the good person and Jacob is the evil person. (sidenote: MIB had his followers, "the others" kidnap the kids to send them home off the island so they didn't end up dead in Jacob's crazy experiment.)
It was an awesome episode!!! great start off to the final season!!I think people who are confused and not finding any answers yet should hang in there.. the writers cant give away too much at the beginning of the last season then how would you get 12 or 14 decent episodes if they wrap up too soon??I think they will build lot of suspense and enthusiasm and then reveal most of the mysteries in the last few episodes!! I am loving it!!! I will surely miss lost once it will be lost forever in this final season!!
I may be right, I may be wrong. The writers seem to be taking a lot of cues from the Christian faith. If that is the case that would explain the following...
If Locke is now the devil, it's his mission to wreak havoc and evil on anyone and everyone. That would explain why he is so anxious to get off the island where he can do the most damage. For now, he has been contained to this island. According to Christianity, before the end of time and before the return of the savior, the devil is unleashed on the world. We see the passengers back in their present lives and all are destined to bad paths.
Perhaps the island under water represents the end of civilization, the end of time...OR the unleashing of the devil. (The place where he once resided – was contained – no longer exists...he lives among us all now).
Jack was so set on returning to the island last season. It is on the island where all of these characters were better versions of themselves- although hardly perfect. The devil (now Locke) would love nothing more than these characters to return to their evil ways/character in present day reality on a path of their own destruction.
Locke (devil) will need Alpert (?) to get "an in" once he gets to the temple, that's why he knocked him out and threw him over his shoulder. Otherwise he would be unable to get past the black ash barrier that surrounds the temple. Alpert is trusted among everyone (isn't he?) so those at the temple would let them inside. Just a theory.
I keep going back to what Locke said in the baggage claim office about Jack's fathers coffin missing. Locke said, his body is "lost" but his soul is not. Perhaps the whole show is about the internal fight in all of us to choose the right path but the struggle with constantly being pulled back to a bad place through evil thoughts, lies, mistrust, memories and an evil past. The island represents that struggle between good and evil – paradise and hell! That would explain why all the characters have flashbacks to the past and glimpses into the future. They continue to struggle between what they once were and the person they KNOW they can be. Now they need to reconcile the two and decide which they will choose.
"It's not about the process, it's how you end"...wasn't there some quote last night like that?
I could be way off...time will tell! Or, perhaps I am just stating something obvious.
Wow, I am so glad I stopped watching halfway through the second season when it just got silly.
Between the butchering of Star Trek and the developments of lost I'm worried for Fringe.
Comparing Lost to The Dark Tower is like comparing a rock to a dog in companionship.
That was a great episode. Besides the first half of the 3rd season the show has been nothing but great. Last night proved that the writers do indeed have a plan that is going to tie everything up yet keep people guessing until the final episode at the same time, and that is the way it should be.
I love reading everyone's theories. But I still wonder what women not being able to have babies on the island has to do with the "big picture." Anyone care to take a guess?
Where is Michael and Walt on the plane that lands in LA?
JULIET'S STATEMENT: I think "It worked" referring to the bomb is too obvious. I wonder if she is actually referring to her work as a fertility specialist on the island, and perhaps she was trying to tell Sawyer she was pregnant....
And for answers to these and all your questions, google Sledgeweb's lost stuff. I don't run this forum, but am just one of thousands of users whom pose and answer questions while we should be tending to our paying jobs. But hey, this show pulls you in, screws with your mind, and spits you back out again with more questions then you began with. In other words, its great! Join the fun before its all over next May!
Okay... If the Man In Black is the smoke monster...
1. Why did he kill Mr. Ecko?
2. Why was Ben able to "signal" the smoke monster to arrive and fight for them when their village was under attack by Whitmore's military people?
Just a thought-If the bomb did go off, the characters could actually be dead! Therefore, the characters on the Island are dead, but the scenes from the plane happened before they all died.
so is Richard good or evil
I think Jacob came back in Sayid's body!!! I LOVE LOST! What an amazingly witty show!
Another Stephan King reference is at the end of the Stand Randall Flagg (Man in Black) arrives on and island. His new name is Faraday
This show is so much fun! I found my heart beating so fast last night when it began. I may not always know what is happening, but I love it anyway!!
Why why why are there so many commercial breaks? Did anyone lese find that annoying? It's like watchiung SNL towards the end whem they just don't have the material to fill 90 minutes and so we must suffer through short segments separated by commercials. After 90 minutes of this I almost turned it off. ALmost.
I never watched the show LOST until stumbling across it in Hulu. Watched all seasons this fall and enjoyed it, though it can be frustrating at times to understand. The opener last night created more questions than answers. One item I didn't see mentioned was that Desmond appearing on the plane could be Jacob reaching out to Jack to make inital contact in that reality. The first few episodes this season will probably continue to be vague to lead us along to the final plot.
The episode was called "LA X". Not "LAX" as in the Los Angeles airport, their destination, but LA with a space before the X. Science Fiction writers, for example, when creating an alternate reality, use X, as in "Earth X" or the like. This tells me that both scenarios are in play, in alternate realities. The purpose of this? I'm not exactly sure yet, but it's interesting.
I am hoping Locke comes back to life at some point. The island did seem to favor him, and he was so popular that it's not out of the question. I think a group of The Others was also banned from the Temple for some reason, as I always saw Richard and his group living in the outdoors. Very, very intriguing. Great start to the season, and I can't wait to see more!
My theory is Sayid has now been resurrected as Jakob, that's why they wouldn't lift him out of the jacuzzi of sweet tea inside their temple until the sand ran out. There are two realities going on at once since the nuke went off. The current reality and the reality where the plane never crashed. Since Desmond appeared in the reality where the plane didn't crash and never returned to his seat, he will be the link between these two realities as he is the only character capable of jumping between time streams.
I saw an interview with the producers yesterday and they said the alternate reality that is shown is a "flash sideways"
Quote: "The Marquee Blog should have posted a "Spoiler Alert" on the top of this article for people who haven't seen the show yet. Especially since it reveals the big secret with Locke. The whole show built up to it and I can't imagine the letdown people are going to feel after reading this blog."
The show was last night. If you didn't see it, why are you even here? By the way, if you still haven't seen Gone with the Wind, be sure to stay away from imdb. You might run across some spoilers there, too.
Did anyone notice how Sayid looked with his arms spread straight out when he was removed from the water, and then a while later he rises from the dead. Definitely some religious symbolism going on here.
Does Jacob now inhabit the form and body of Sayid? He indicated it was very important that Sayid be taken here for the resurrection.
So the temple waters heal an injured person and they come back to life when they are dead?
Wait till Sawyer finds out. He'll be out in the jungle digging up Juliette, and running to the temple with her so fast, it'll appear to be another bright flash!
And then, when they find out about Locke's body on the beach, they'll go bring him back to the waters, too.
Widmore is probably on Esau's side (the "man in black"), so the big Widmore/Ben Linus war is going to be ON!
The writers have established certain stipulations, including: dead is dead. And, what's done, is done. Also, Faraday pointed out that you can move forward and backward on the timeline, but you cannot create a new line/path.
Last night it was stated in no uncertain terms that Sayid is dead. And so he is. (I guess, though, one hint of doubt - Miles was sitting there, looking at Sayid's body, and shaking his head.... perhaps he wasn'st convinced he was dead?) Juliette's dead for sure.
Also, I can see how the bunch in the 70's, still decked out in Dharma jumpsuits, are at one place on the timeline, and the passengers of the Oceanic, flying over a sunken island on their way to LAX, are at another point in the timeline. But, two separate realities/timelines? That goes against Faraday's statements, and though I'm not a physicist, I believe it may violate one of the laws of thermodynamics - which states that 'matter cannot be created or destroyed'. If the writers are remaining scientifically consistent, can two Sawyers, or two Jacks or two Kates exist at the same time?
(that being said, I'd be happy if there were a hundred Kates, but then i'm not one of the writers).
I am intrigued as ever by this first episode of "Lost" last season. I look forward to more smoke and mirrors and questions and answers in future episodes leading up to a finally that will surely excite many but, disappoint many as well!
Desmond on the plane: He shows up in the seat next to Jack when they fly over the area where the island was and after they've passed the spot, he's disappeared again. Hmmm....
The tail section: We still don't know what happened to the people in the tail section. That doesn't mean they weren't on the plane. Remember, we didn't know about the tail section (Ana-Louisa, Mr. Eko, Libby, etc..) until a few episodes in.
Richard: With the "in chains" comment – was he in the gallows of the Black Rock and maybe sold his soul for immortality and freedom? There is obviouosly a relationship there between him and MIB.
Kidnapped kids: somebody mentioned it above – they are in the temple with the flight attendant. We saw them.
Bernard and Rose: MFEO – pure and true love – nothing/nobody can touch that. :-)
Doc Artz – loved seeing him again! Sadly, I still laugh about it.
Question: who/what is the significance of the guy who was leaning/sleeping on Locke's shoulder in the plane?
Put "Fantasy Island," "Star Trek," and mind-altering drugs into a blender...and you have "Lost."
Maybe it only makes sense if you're stoned.
By the way "I h8te Lost but I used to Love it" did you not notice the "spoiler alert" at the very beginning of this article right under the picture, right before you start reading these very words: [Editor's Note: You know the drill by now. If you haven't seen this episode of "Lost" yet, DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.]?
WHY do people like Mark and Rich here insist on calling the bomb an atom bomb? The bomb on the show is a hydrogen bomb, commonly referred to as the H-bomb, which is DIFFERENT than the A-Bomb in both how it reacts and the quantity of energy released. Please pay more attention and don't criticize the writers of the show if you can't do so without displaying your own deficient education.
I believe that the separation between the "what would have happened with no island" reality and the temple dweller "reality" is a sign of what's to come. If you remember the stewardess (as a temple dweller) said they were on the "first flight" of Oceanic..meaning they are now on the island from a second flight. So I believe the bomb worked in a sense that flight 815 isn't going to crash but, as Lost likes to emphasize, you cannot deny or stop fate. They were meant to be on the island and were making their way there slowly but surely, if not through 815. So I believe the temple dwellers and that "reality" is sometime in the future.
Did anyone ever catch last season where Jack went to see his grandfather to get his father's shoes, his grandfather referred to Kate as, "Freckles".... A red herring, or more, perhaps?
Smokey doesn't inhabit the bodies of dead folks – he takes on their appearance.
Just because we didn't see certain characters on the "new" plane, doesn't mean they weren't there necessarily, just that they weren't shown. Maybe they haven't been shown yet, or maybe they aren't there (which seems likely for Anna Lucia, since that actress left on bad terms).
It is hilarious that Desmond "disappeared" – maybe he did, or maybe he just went back to his seat for landing (overhead luggage would be where he was originally sitting), or to the bathroom... How many times have we made assumptions based on the few facts shown, only to be given more information later that shows we made erroneous assumptions!
An endlessly fascinating puzzle that keeps ahead of viewers, and that alone makes it superior network programming. Nothing about it is easy, predictable, or ordinary. I trust the writers and creators to know exactly what they are doing and that they will give us the satisfying ending we await. That doesn't mean it will be what we expect or want. Nice to see Boone again, by the way. I will miss Juliet more than any other character who has been ... lost ... during the series.
Here's my theory: Jacob is taking over Sayid's body. Why else was Jacob so concerned about Hurley taking Sayid to the Temple and saving his life. And Sayid was clearly dead. So I'm thinking Jacob just jumped into his body. The fight with the Man in Black goes on!
I was enjoying the show until the temple community showed up. Whenever the plot gets mucky, it seems the writers take the easy way out by throwing in another mysterious group of people to either divert attention or give them more leeway. Next thing you know, the Brady Bunch will appear in a new hatch. Also, the special effects were HORRIBLE and cheezy. I felt like I was watching Land Of The Lost instead of Lost.
Duuude! Sayid is dead! Remember what Ben said, "Dead is Dead". Sayid is none other than the re-embodiment of Jacob. Why else would Jacob want Hurley to take Sayid to the temple?
I gave up on "Lost" long ago. The story line has always seemed like they put 12 people in different rooms, each writing a few pages. Then they threw it together and started filming. I love a mystery and drama, but this show gives me a headache. I tried watching for about 20 minutes and gave up. Bye bye Lost.....
I think we are watching Jack's dream. Hello Dallas!
Question to all of you who hate this show and are glad you stopped watching it back when . . . . why did you read this article if you are not watching it anymore? Oh, one more thing, obviously you did watch it last night so the question is, again, why? If you don't like it, are not into it, go away. There are plenty of us who have watched it from the beginning and will to the end. To each his own. So get "lost."
The plane ride is the present and it doesn't crash- the island scenes are flashbacks and will lead up to how they come to be back on the plane again.
I kinda agree with Sean – my feeling is that when the Losties die on the Island their consciousness will "awake" in the Parallel universe created by the h-bomb... so in the end they will have known what had happened but without it having happened...
It could create interesting storylines – Juliet could be somewhere looking for Sawyer in the "no island" universe... ?? just an idea.
I've been a Lost fanatic since the beginning, and It's still the best show on TV by far. When it was initiallt theorized that this island was possibly "purgatory" I thought it interesting, but at the time (back around season 2,) I refused to settle on that as the ultimate outcome. However, with how increasingly religious the show has gotten, and this whole showdown between good and evil, jacob and MIB, I'm starting to believe that this island is indeed purgatory in a sense. The survivors are on the "island" to change, whether it be for better or worse. Whether they change for better or worse is the determining factor between "heaven" and "hell" for them. Jacob and MIB are not only fighting for contoll over eachother and the "island" but also perhaps for the "souls" of everyone on the island. Gotta say, I LOVE how despite the strong religious tone lately, events are still backed by scientific evidence. This show simply has it all, and if you're having a hard time understanding it, you're simply not using your brain to it's full potential. It's pretty simple in the end.
The reason they didn't take Juliet to the temple is because they were never instructed to do so. Jacob told Hurley and only Hurley, to take Sayid to the temple because he wasn't dead all ready and it was very important that he didn't die. Juliet was dead all ready by the time Sawyer emerged from the wreckage of the hatch.
Mark, you must've missed when Faraday explained his theory that the H-bomb would negate the energy from that underground pocket. A poisitive and a negative of equal amounts equals zero. Hence, no explosion. That's why the hatch and our characters aren't incinerated.
A more relevant question is: How did the Dharma van time travel to the present?
At one time, Locke met the smoke monster face to face but we never really saw or heard what happened. Did this happen after the smoke monster killed Mr. Echo? Didn't Echo tell Locke that 'he was next'? How would Echo know that anyway?
If the island is underwater (in 2004), how did it get above ground in present day (2007?)?
I do think that Sayid is Jacob. That Asian guy tried to talk to Sayid after he died but the expression on his face made it seem like he was not able to talk to the dead Sayid. So, either Sayid was never dead or Jacob took over his body.
Where were the temple people all this time? It is strange that they were never around before.
When the French woman's friends went into the hole and were 'changed', didn't they all come out of the hole? Even the one who had his arm ripped off? The armless man said he was 'okay' and the others when down after him but then they found the armless man's body when they were taking Sayid to the temple.
I love LOST. As for the complaints about more unaswered question, they can not answer all the questions in one episode. What would keep us watching for the rest of the season.
I do have one other question about last season. Since some of the members went back to the 1970's and met Ben as a young boy, why didn't adult Ben ever recognize these people when they first showed up on the island. It seems very strange to me.
To those who wonder how Desmond could have been on the plane, there is one reasonable explanation.
If the bomb destroyed the hatch that was being built in 1977, there would have been no force to draw Desmond to the island later. He sailed right by it on the way to Fiji, and moved on with his life. Who knows? Maybe he is now married to Penny in the alternative universe (though we don't see her because the actress is busy avoiding an affair in "flash forward).
Since Desmond's life took a different course, we can suppose he was on the plane from Australia for some personal reason, just like the rest of the passengers.
I just assumed that Michael and Walt were somewhere on the plane, since we obviously did not see all the passengers. The same can be said for Claire, who probably would have been sleeping.
Whatever course it takes, things should get interesting.
I hope the last episode is not as lame as the "Sopranos" episode was. I also think of the comedy "Benson" that left us never knowing who was elected as governor.
The hydrogen bomb didn't cause the island to sink. Remember, the island is capable of moving through space at various times. Who says it can't displace itself vertically? The bomb did go off, but right after Juliet and the others were transported back – that's why they weren't obliterated. The explosion of bomb obviously changed the course of history 'pre-crash' like others have said. For example:
-Hurley's not cursed
-Michael and Walt weren't on the plane, meaning that Michael never had to go to Australia, which implies that he was never separated from his girlfriend – or maybe they never met?
-Boone's on the plane alone.
-Desmond was on the plane, which obviously means he never had to man the hatch, which means he never went on that boating expedition that got him there that he decided to take after leaving Penny. Did he ever meet Penny in the first place?
The lives of those that are apparently the same are Jacks, Locke's, Sayid's, Kate's, and Sawyer's. Jack still lost his dad, Locke still got betrayed, Sayid was still a torturer, Kate still murdered her step father and Sawyer still went to Sydney to kill the original Sawyer aka Locke's father.
I can't wait to see how this ends.
If you don't get the LOST frenzy – you never will. It was GREAT to see it again finally!! I took my phone off the hook and was ready to absorb everything. It was good to see some of the old, killed off characters. Would have loved to see EKO – Anna not so much.
Yes, we got some answers and then again more questions. Cannot wait till next Tues. It will be very sad to see it end. Hopefully they will formally tie it to "Flash Forward" somehow. It would be cool to have the chance to see our beloved LOST characters again somewhere down the road.
As one of the LOST fans.......still got more questions, and few answers, but we have to admit that since episode 1 of the series, whether we like it or not "we" are hooked on this show.
I think they're doing a great job at keeping us entertained. It's a shame it will end, although it's getting hard to keep up with all the details.
Sawyer is Eddie Dean??? No Way... CHARLIE is Eddie Dean... The character of Charlie practically stepped right out of the DT books!!
Quote: A good show but, as always, the commercials came too often and too fast. About midway through another evening of intrusive commercials, my wife spoke up and said: "Now I remember why I stopped watching this show last year."
One word: TiVO !!!
I really enjoyed it. I have to say it was great to see CHARLIE back!!!! I noticed that everything is the opposite such as the plane didn’t crash, Hurley is lucky; Jack was the scared one on the plan....etc. As for Sayid I think Jacob may have taken over his body. Juliet said it worked so when everyone will slowley be killed and as they do they will catch up with their selves in LA. We will see. This is LOST so when you start thinking this is how the show will be it takes a huge twist.
I will miss the show, I do hope the cast can move on to other TV shows so we can still watch them.
First of all, it isn't over yet!! We still have the rest of this season!!
Second of all.. That was a totally awesome season premiere... though I could've lived without Juliette dying again (cry!!) ..... oh, and I am also pretty sure that isn't Sayid anymore.... it is Jacob... That is my theory anyway...
And to those complaining about spoilers... Word to the wise... don't read ANYTHING about a show you haven't seen.... it WILL get spoiled one way or the other.....
Sometimes the details are clues to the overall concepts. But don't get lost (per se) int he detail. Recall what Locke said to Jack at the airport when Jack was upset with the plane losing the body of Jack's father.
Locke said "You have not lost your father, only his body". Think of that as a concept in the caracters of LOST. Take it one step further and think of an "out of body" experience and you can understand how a person can be in two places at the same time. One environment may be dependent on the choices you make in another environment. Where are they all going? Home, of course. Recall Rose telling Jack "We are almost home". Perhaps the concept of home is destiny. They have almost achieved their destiny individually and as a group. Okay, already....I analyze a lot.
i bet jacob has taken the form of sayid
I liked this show a lot better 10 years ago, when they called it "X-files".. Same exact story telling, always more questions then answers, a lot of questions go unanswered..
Why ?? Cause they bring so many up, you simply forget.
This show will end just like X-files did...answer 80% of the questions, but leave just enough open to make crappy movies afterwards.
I love this series. Its a great break from the beat you over the head, over explained type of writing these days. It seems some of us are so dumbed down or mentally lazy that if something isnt explained in the greatest detail that it becomes "confusing," "pointless" or aggravating. Too bad for you types. Not knowing everything builds intrigue and suspense, it sucks you in to an exciting world that keeps you glued to the screen.
The show is riveting, the acting is great and its usually unpredictable and surely thought provoking. Keep up the good work "Lost," I'll definitely miss the show and characters when its over.
I don't think Jacob is the good guy here and that MIB is the bad guy. I think it is the opposite. One big clue is if you've seen the promo poster for this season (it looks just like the Last Supper), Sayid aka Jacob is in the place of Judas (the bad guy) and Locke aka MIB is where Jesus should be.
Wow, intelligent Dark Tower and The Stand references, I'm impressed! Now I remember why I enjoy reading these posts, because even though there are negative nancies to navigate around, there are always people who make interesting connections I never would have thought of. Thank you Sean!
Now, if we're going to go to DT and Stand comparisons, which Lost characters would be Alain or Cuthbert? Oh, and Sean, who do you have pegged as Trashcan Man? We already know Sawyer is Eddie Dean!
Speaking of Sawyer, I could have done with a lot less bad soap opera crocodile tears and more getting on with the story. As for Juliet, I've been waiting for her demise forever! Does no one remember from whence she came? We think her motivations have been driven by her love for Sawyer, but is that true?
Ol' Smokie still reminds me of the water tentacle from The Abyss. Is it a truly sentient entity or a mechanical construct? When Smokie killed Mr. Ecko, I thought the show was going for an anti-religious tone (he was trying to build a church, after all), but now it does seem like they're drawing Biblical parallels.
Was "lost" again last night but cannot stop watching this show! I like being mystified and intriqued by a story I cannot begin to put in a category or slot. I was at first disappointed we had a group of new characters introduced so close to the end of the series, however, am anxious to find out the reason for this. Also, why didn't they also take Juliet to the temple and why did they bury her so fast!!! I love Sayed's character and believe some of you are on the mark about his being possibly a new "Jacob" or other being. When he thought he was dying, he again reiterated his sorrow about torturing people in his past. Next week, bring it on again!
For those of you who do not watch the show and have negative comments, why are you commenting at all? Just watch what you want and let us "losties" get lost every week with our show.
Excellent show – I just love it, and I'm also puzzled by those who come here to talk about how awful it is! I sure don't go on a blog for '24' or 'Fringe' and make disparaging comments about those shows, but, whatever, too much time on their hands, evidently.
I'm thinking it's not so much a good vs. evil scenario – that's too common, and has been done before in other stories. I think it's more faith/destiny vs. science/free will.
Remember 'Man of Science, Man of Faith'? That's where I think we're going.....no one on this show is totally good or completely evil – it's always a gray area.
"And fascinating to see Hurley explaining that he's extremely lucky – after all, if there was no hatch, there were no numbers to "curse" Hurley."
You're wrong. If it did work, how did Hurley win the lottery? He explained that he bought that chicken fast food place after winning the lottery – that he won by using the hatch's numbers that he must have heard from the guy in the psychiatric ward. If those number exist, there is still a hatch.
I love this show, but I sometimes think the writers make these episodes up as they go, possibly even chaning plot lines while filming, because they don't even know what they are doing. I believe, unfortunately, this awesome series will end with the black screen "LOST", and it will be up to all the viewers to determine their "own" idea of how it ended, instead of ending it themselves. Watch, it'll happen that way.
You're wrong about the BOMB.
There are two universes: and these are formed by one of the following:
Jughead blowing by Juliet's hands (and her saying 'go dutch for coffee' is acknowledging there is an alternate reality that she has glimpsed on her death bed).
JACOB being killed.
BEN moving the donkey wheel. When that happened – time travel started. And we really don't know what effect that had (and the subsequent Locke turn) on everything. Yet.
LOCKE – is dead, but is his soul gone? We don't know that. Christian was dead but Jacob likely was inhabiting it for a spell.
So, if you follow the show, stay tuned. Cuz this writer hasn't hit the important things.
Loved it. I had already thought that , as a fan of Fringe, we may see an alternate universe solution. It reminds me of the movie Sliding Doors, in which we see what could have happened under two scenarios.
This leaves Kate to hook up with Jack in one and Sawyer in the other.
It also, like Sliding Doors, leaves us to think that what is meant to be finds a way to happen. I can forese where all the characters in the alternate no plane crash reality come together. Is it possible the island is a portal between two realities? Doesn't every person ask himself:" What if I had made the other choice?" Or on the verge of a car accident, ask "what if I had left just a few seconds earlier."
But like the movie Frequency, when you tamper with the past, it affects the present. Will we see changes in the present now that they changed the course of their history? I'm in it for the duration.
I think Jack will move from a "man of science' role to a man of faith role and take over for Jacob. I think his last name plays him to this part. Jack will be the new "shepherd" for the people!! But I think Sayid will play a big part in it as well – his baptism cleansed him of his sins and he and Jack will work in tandem for the cause of Good.
I'm confused because, if I'm remebering correctly, Desmond wasn't on the plane. Didn't Desmond shipwreck onto the island when he was searching for Penny???
Great show, but I still have so many more questions than answers.
I think we may be jumping the gun at who's actually the good guy. I was convinced it was Jacob – now not so much – he let Juliette die but saved a man that murdered and tortured people....hmmm
This series has been quite a ride, and I'm hanging on until the end. I will miss it terribly when it is finished.
Also, adios, Anna Novak. There are plenty of us to fill the gap you leave in the audience.
I'm a fan of the show. I think it was at its best in the first season. I've always felt that it went a season or two too long and there's a bit too much complexity and added layers of mystery. The producers are already saying they aren't going to answer all the questions.
The H-bomb did not go off. It wasn't an H-bomb at all. It set off some major variation of the process that's had characters skipping around time/space.
No question that Jacob now inhabits Sayid it's going to be Jacob/Sayid v. MIB/Locke until the bitter end.
I agree with Ron....does anyone else think that maybe the MIB is the GOOD one and jacob is the bad one?? Jacob was the reason everyone came to the island, who was touched by him, and like Ron said, he liked to watch them fight! i think we are made to think that the MIB is bad when in fact he is the good one!
oh and juliet should not have been back in this episdoe, ridiculous
I thought last nights show was just great. I have been a fan the whole time and LOST is the best show on. I can't wait for next week!!
Sawyer is going to end up being used by the smoke monster/man to get what he wants. They are setting it up were Sawyer is so blinded by his hate that he is going to be used to go to the dark side.
Desmond got to the island via sailboat and was not on the original Oceanic flight, so why was he on the "new" Oceanic flight last night?
Sayid is dead. Just like Locke. Jacob now uses Sayid's body like MIB uses Locke's.
I've been watching faithfully from day one of this show and I have to give credit to the writers. If the answers were all ready and available then we really wouldn't have a reason to watch the show. What they writers are doing with the whole answering questions with questions is really creative writing. I am sad that the show is ending but at least it will have an ending. Back in the day when a show was cut from the season lineup, you didn't get any resolution. The show ended with unresolved questions and scenarios. My only question is did they ever say what happened with the kids? The first couple of episodes, children were being taken but I don't recall if they ever showed why the kids were being taken. Maybe it's one of those things they'll address with the ending of the show.
First of all, they are not split realities for sure since the losties on the plane are in 2005 and the losties at the temple are in the LOST present when MIB has killed Jacob. There could still be some weird explanation to get the island off the bottom of the ocean and them back on the island! Split realities happen at the same time, these scenes are clearly happening in different years.
And I think that there is no more Sayid and that he has become Jacob. Sayid's body is Jacob's loophole to regain control of the island which will be revealed over time.
It will be fun to see what their truth is!
i noticed when they brought Sayid into the temple the one guy asked why the water had changed color...that it wasn't clear, more of a murky "bloody" color (this was before they all learned that Jacob was dead). could that have been because Jacob had been killed? maybe the water was clear while Jacob was alive, and after he died, the water turned to blood? i forgot to look to see if the water was clear again after Sayid came back to life, though...? just an observation...of what though, i'm not sure. :)
I am going to make a guess here that JJ Abrams will use a device he used in the new "Star Trek" movie, where the older "Spock" from the original series entered the alternate universe and even advised the new "Spock" on some decisions he should make.
I predict that one of the "Lost" characters will jump to the alternate universe to reconcile what is happening. Unlike "Star Trek," I don't think the two universes will continue to exist independently of each other, but that there will be a "synthesis" that reconciles the two.
In the real world, they would not all "live happily ever after," but in this one, I'm kind of hoping they do.
Dead is dead, remember? Sayid is dead. He did not wake up. Jacob and the man in black can transport themselves in the bodies of the dead. The man in black is in John Locke's image and Jacob is in Sayid's image.
It will all boil down to black vs. white, right vs. wrong, good vs. evil. I still do not understand the whole – are they alive and the island is at the bottom of the sea - or are they back on the island???
Have to wait until next week.
I loved the opening episode, although I have more questions, rather than some answers. One other discrepancy I noted was that Boone told Locke that he was in Australia to get his sister out of a bad relationship but it didn't work and she stayed – but the plane was supposed to be as if it hadn't crashed, so if it didn't crash ALL the people that ended up on the island after the crash should have been on the plane, and that would have included Boone's sister. Plus, Claire wasn't on the plane either – but she was in that cab, also Walt and his dad weren't on the plane, but they were on the island from the plane crash. Soooo, how did all of them get on the island if they weren't on the original plane? There were some other things too – like when the "dead people talker guy (forget his name)" was next to Sayid he got a really weird look, like he got a message, but he didn't say anything – what did he read from Sayid at that moment? AND, why when he was listening to Juliette's dead body do you hear the black smoke monster sound?
One HUGE discovery that my teenage daughter figured out is that the scientist who tried to help them, Daniel Faraday, is named after Michael Faraday, the scientist from the 1800's. Faraday believed that the law of definite proportions also required some sort of atomic theory . What Faraday proposed in the 1840s was that matter was perceived where lines of force met at a particular point in space. A direct experimental outcome of this radical theory was Faraday's discovery in 1845 of the magneto-optical effect and diamagnetism. Faraday also linked his work with his Christian beliefs – which all links to what is happening in lost (good guy vs evil, marking with ashes, Sayid being carried like Jesus on the crucifix, etc.). I think my daughter is definitely on to something . . .
Anyway, I'm totally looking forward to this last season and getting everything figured out. Cool show, great idea the writers had forsure!
Loved the Show! classic Good versus Evil. Loved the revelation of the MIB being the smoke monster. all you major Lost geeks – he killed:
Jacob's 4 bodyguards
the african guy with the walking stick
who else – i can't remember?
This is a great show and no, it's not supposed to make perfect sense. It's a fantasy show people!! If you don't like it, go back to the long list of terrible "reality" shows out there. This is a show like no other and keeps you wanting more. I've got 5+ seasons invested and I am really glad that this will end properly. Ok, off the soap-box.
I personally think this is a God vs. Devil story, Good vs. Evil, Good guy in white vs. Bad guy in black. Jacob (God) comes and goes into the characters lives and at different times at will. Is seen by some and not others. Seems to heal with touch. Speaks whatever language he wants and knows all. Can't be killed by the Devil nor can he kill the Devil. The Man in Black (Devil) can take the form of whoever he wants. Seems to not like whatever the powder that is spread on the floor (ie Holy Water type thing).
Still a mystery to me obviously is who are these new "others"? Why does that leader hate speaking English? How do they relate to all the groups that have been on the island all this time (Others, Darma, shipwrecked folks, etc)? And the biggie, why does there now appear to be parallel universes (or times) and how will they converge? Jack (on the plane) obvioulsy feels he's met some folks before, esp. Desmand.
Watch fringe! it's way better and doesn't leave you "lost" at the end of every episode
My big question... The no-crash scenarios centered around Jack. When on the plane, he recognized Desmond and also seemed to recognize Rose, Bernard, and Charlie. Is Jack the only one that is aware?
I'm certain the bomb core's explosion was pulled down into the pocket of energy, causing the rift and sinking the island. With the island at the bottom of the ocean, flight 815 doesn't crash but the survivors are shoved back where they should be: in their reality of origin. I feel that this is going to be part of the final solution. Both sets of people will probably be given a choice, just like jacob told ben. Smokey Locke will try to push the chess pieces to get himself off the island. Richard will have to be explained better, the chained comment probably points to the fact that he can leave the island like jacob. I don't think that's Sayid, ghost Jacob's expression looked like he was consigned to play dirty like Smokey Locke.
Sean: great point about Dark Tower series. I did notice that with the Man in Black reference. The "split in two" reference to the dual realities is very apt here. I was wondering why the writers decided to show both realities at the same time. This would make some sense.
I think it is more of a dual existence timeline thing perhaps. It is as though Jack sensed something about his other self when he was on the plane looking out the window. It appears as though they actually changed what would have been the future however in bombing the island if that is what happened. Not everyone that was orrigionally on the plane was still on it. Some of them were not there. Anna Lucia was gone from the plane, yet Charlie was there, and Desmon was never on the plane and yet there he was. I think Juliet will reappear alive again if the temple people took her body back with them from the jungle. A part of me wonders if their souls were split in half when the island blew. A part of them returned to what may have been, and yet part of their spirit remained on the island in their human form. I am wondering if they are actually all dead on the island in a sense. I do not think Jacob is really dead, dead. MIB kicked Jacob's body into the fire and Jacob just disappeared rather than burn to ashes. I also think Jacob knew what was going to happen the whole time from the beginning of the plane crash right up to his own death. It was as though Jacob assured all the people & events would happen in just the right way. It makes me think there is a time loop that keeps repeating over and over again. Who knows how many times the loop has looped in time, or the variable amount of outcomes from the never ending loops. Perhaps this might explain why Richard has been around forever and never gets any older.
I love this series! It keeps my mind thinking, unlike so many other worthless series they keep re-running over and over again. I hope the writers and actors change their minds and continue to write more and more episodes. Why kill off a super great story with such awesome performers!? Keep those mind boggling questions coming!
It will not be Sayid vs (Un)Locke; it will be Jack vs (Un)Locke in the end. Don't you all get it now? Jack needed Locke in order to become the person he needed to be so he could lead the way he needed to as we get closer to end game (albeit with a few possible mistakes). Locke has always been the ultimate pawn for everyone (even if those people did not realize they were using Locke for something at the time). At this point MIB has been the master manipulator (think back to when he told Jacob, "You have no idea what I went through to be here.") who has pulled the strings on everyone except for Jacob (at least to a degree). He even got Jack to finally buy into Locke which was needed so in 1977 when Richard asked Jack about Locke not being 'anything special', Jack would reassure Richard, 'not to count Locke out'. This in turn causes Richard to trust (Un)Locke as a leader in 2007 and take him to see Jacob at which point Jacob is murdered. MIB wanted/needed Jacob dead to clear the path to the ending and MIB 'going home'. Jacob knew this day was coming and put together a special team of people (an example would be Hurley who can still see/hear Jacob and can therefore follow his directions) that with their abilities can still change whatever the end game may be and stop MIB from succeeding in his plan. Remember what Jacob said, 'It only ends once, everything else is just progress.' He is talking about the end of his and MIB 'feud' (much more than that I am sure but that is the best word I can think of to call what Jacob referred to when he told Ben that he can leave and allow Jacob and MIB to resolve their 'issues') and that people have the ability to be/do good in their lives, they simply have to choose to do so. In the end, Jack will choose to sacrifice himself in his last and greatest moment of 'fixing it'.
The only part I hated watching last night were ABC's asinine promotions for "comedy wednesday.' From obese fat men bumping butts in the locker room to a constant diet of sexual teasing in the other shows, I will be sad when "Lost" is over because evidently ABC has nothing cerebral to take its place.
What I wouldn't give for a "Cosby" show right now.
But back to "Lost." The genius of JJ Abrams will come through. I had always been against a remake of "Star Trek" because I knew they would butcher it. JJ came along and totally remade Star Trek, but left the original series intact. We got to have our cake and eat it too. He will do the same with "Lost."
Is Jacob good or bad? I feel he is bad, we is/was the great puppet master tht loved to watch the cast aways fight
A good show but, as always, the commercials came too often and too fast. About midway through another evening of intrusive commercials, my wife spoke up and said: "Now I remember why I stopped watching this show last year."
I see that many people are agreeing that Sayid is now the new Jacob. Here is my question... if the MIB took over Locke's body, why is there still a dead body as well? When the MIB walked onto the beach, we saw the actual dead John Locke on the sand. If Jacob took over Sayid's body, why is there no dead body as well? Man, I am not sure if that made any sense, haha.... fitting for a Lost comment. :-)
So the cabin was where the Others had tried to imprison MIB. Jacob was never there. Jacob was always in the statue. Ben thought the cabin was where Jacob was, but Ben admitted that he had never actually met Jacob.
When "Jacob", who is really MIB, said "Help me" to Locke, it wasnt Jacob asking for help, it was MIB asking for help. Help me KILL JACOB. Help me GO HOME.
The image of Christian Shepherd was not really working for Jacob. It was MIB, masquerading as Christian to get Locke to do his bidding, and indirectly, allow MIB to take Lock's form after Locke had died to get close enough to Jacob and to the Others (in order to have Ben kill MIB). Locke had already been deemed "special" by the others, so what better form to take to convince one of the others to kill their own leader?
They are showing what would have happened if they made it back to LA. Somehow I do not think the lives of the group on the plane will turn out well. Arrests, death, suicide, etc.
I think what people fail to see is that 'reality' is already different from what it was 'pre-crash', witness the dude who went to pick up his sister in Australia. They were both there when the plane crashed. This time, no sister.
So something else has happened along the time line, pre-crash, that has already caused a few temporal anomalies.
Never watched Lost until last night. Now I know why. It is very simplistic and transparent. At almost every plot point, I was, like, duh-oh. Yes, there are some details I am unaware of, but the basic driver stuff was pretty clear. Someone brand new to this shouldn't be able to pick this up so easily.
I'm a little 'lost' about who Desmond really is in all of this. He appears on the plane, then disappears.
Why are there so many haters on this site? If you stopped watching LOST, never watched, or now hate it, DON'T COMMENT unless you have actual theories–not just comments about how bad the show is or has gotten! This show is amazing. Don't ruin it with your negativity for those of us who are along for the ride (whether we know what's going on or not).
"how come Jack seems to remember people from the island that he met on the plane?"
In Desmond's case, Jack met him well before the plane originally crashed, when they were both running at a track field....Jack was upset about a patient, and Desmond helped him work through it. That was also before Des set off in a boat and ended up on the island.
I find it funny that the one thing that makes the show great some of you are complaining about. Who needs whiney fans like you.
Go back to watching ugley betty it is more your speed.
LOST is a great show. The fact we know only bits and pieces of some things is why I have never missed a show. I don't need the half hour of worthless programing where you only need the IQ of the above whiners to be entertained.
I am glad it will end on May 29th but sad as well. TV is more or less usless with its half hour idiot shows and endless ad's.
By the way none of you would still be watching if you knew all the answers. Life is tough when you have to think huh.
Terrible opening episode.
I wish I woud have stopped watching this show but now that I have 5 years invested in it want to see how it ends.
How many more questions can be put out there? Why make more questions there are enough dangling story lines already.
I am glad some people liked it but for me major let down.
I will attempt to answer the questions that Mark had above. These are my opionions only. The hydrogen bomb went off. It somehow created two different realities. In one, the Lostees were flung forward in time to the present, the same time period where Sun, Frank, and Locke are. The blast from the bomb didn't seem to affect this reality. The other reality was where Oceanic 815 never crashed. In this reality the bomb's effects are seen. It sunk the island. The writers know what they are doing. It makes no sense to say they don't until we see how everything turns out.
@Mark – The atom bomb sent them back along the 2004 timeline when the hatch was damaged from Desmond failing to enter the numbers. In this timeline the hatch was never destroyed by an atom bomb.
I never watched the program but always felt that it was a present day "Gilligan's Island" with the same superscilious story lines. Adios Lost.
The first season of Lost was amazing. after that....no.
@CJ. Jack doesn't remember Desmond from the Island necessarily. Remember that they met while running the steps at the stadium when Desmond rolled his ankle training.
Man in Black – Satan
Sayid – resurrected Christ
Richard – Moses?
(did you see them carrying Sayid out of the water? arms wide open like Jesus, or Scott Stapp from Creed)
Also Juliet's pre-dying words to Sawyer were an interesting clue. "Let's have coffee sometime" Is she possibly existing in both alternative universes simultaneously?
Sayid IS dead. Jacob took his body just as the black monster took Locke's. That's why the spirit of Jacob told Hurley that he must take Sayid to the temple: Jacob needed a body so that he can fight Locke.
My money is on the fact that Jacob has come back in Sayid's body, and the rest of the season (and basically what the whole show has been, we just didn't know it until now) will come down to GOOD vs. EVIL–and Oceanic 815 will have to make a choice between the two.
I've always thought the show was pro-science also, so i was very surprised that this episode had a religious tone.. I don't think it was a coincidenece that Sayid was carried out of the spring with his arms out (Jesus) before being resurrected. This is why I think we now have Jacob in Sayid...
Pat of NY – You state: " I am soooo glad I stopped watching this show after I missed the 3d episode in season 1".
Wow, for someone not watching the show and not caring, why would you comment on the exact show you never watch SIX years later?
Simply amazing... glad to see you still do not care for the show.
I can attest that my son and I did Indeed channel Hurley and yell at the screen "DUDE!".
Oy... split dimensions. OK.. going out on a limb here... temple is all egyptian hieroglyphed, I'm thinking Anubis is the "man in black smokie monster", and Jacob is Osiris.
and why didn't they take Juliet to the temple, eh? Oh yeah...she's on another show now.
Last night's episode probably confused a lot of people, but let me see if I can shed a little light on it by referencing Stephen King. If you've followed Lost you know the creators are huge SK fans. JJ also had, up until recently, had plans to do something with SK's Dark Tower series. In that series there is a "Man in Black". The first book in the series begins "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.” This man in black had the ability to take the form of anyone he wanted (he has appeared in many of SKs books as Randall Flagg, Maerlyn, Walter O'Dim, etc).
Near the end of the first book a young boy named Jake dies. During the second book, Roland (the Gunslinger) alters the series of events that put Jake into his world in the first place (I won't go into details, but it has to do with traveling between worlds through doorways). In the third book, Jake is found to still be alive but back in his own world. Due to Roland's actions, Jake has had his life split into two parallel timelines, one where he dies and one where he hasn't, yet his mind is going crazy because he has these memories of another world, another life, and his own death.
I think Lost is following along with this concept by using the hydrogen bomb as the event that split the Losties into two realities. I think much of this season is going to deal with this set of events and how the parallel realities are going to play on the cast mentally, emotionally, and physically until they can somehow merge their lives back to one reality.
As for the MIB and Jacob, I think they both will have something to play in this. Again, referring to SK, look at The Stand. It was a battle between good and evil. Lady Abigaile versus Randall Flagg (hey look! the Man in Black!). The climax of The Stand included a nuclear weapon, as well.
Just some thoughts to put into people's minds. And if you're curious about the Dark Tower series, I would recommend reading the seven books! Great storytelling!
As usual, despite having watched Lost from episode 1, I feel confused and not much wiser having watched this episode. I hope that the writers tie up all the loose ends and make all the connections come the final episode, or there are going to be a lot of angry Lost fans. Though I like having a show to watch that makes you think, instead of spoon feeding you a few laughs, it shouldn't be this difficult to reach a conclusion.
What about Walt?
@ Austin – I disagree. I think Sayid is the new Jacob. He died last night and came back to life, just like Locke. Look for him and Locke to go at it as a good vs evil storyline.
I agree with the splitting the space time continuum into two theory. I think the bomb did go off and it put the characters back in the present, but also left them back on the island. This is why Juliet says that "it worked". Btw, poor Sawyer. I'm so sad for him.
Still, I have many, many questions: how come Jack seems to remember people from the island that he met on the plane?
Who is the man in black? Is he the "devil" aka bad in the world and Jacob is the "good" in the world?
What year are the people back in the island in? It seemed to me that the people from the temple are in the 70s–looked very hippy. Did the bomb put the Jack and the rest back in time again? And who is the Asian man that seems to be the leader on the temple people? And what was REALLY in the letter from Jacob.
What is the purpose of Boone being back?
Why, why, why is Locke dead?! Why!
So if MIB = Smoke Monster than MIB directed Ben to listen to his other version as Locke.
If MIB = Smoke Monster, how did that come to happen? Did Jacob ever turn into anything?
If MIB=Smoke Monster, how did it decide who it killed and didn't kill. Were those touched by Jacob protected?
Concerning the ash, was the Ash around the cabin to keep the smoke monster out or to keep Jacob in and if it's the latter than why would Jacob have appeared to Locke and asked him for help?
Which ghosts that appeared to Locke were the MIB and which were good forces?
Where is MIB's home and how did he get trapped on the island? How did Ben summon the Smoke Monster in the past?
Is Widmore still viewed as evil? Will Ben finally realize that he has been a pawn to both sides and that everything is based on choice.
Based on the look of fear in the Temple Dwellers and Richard's eyes. This MIB dude is either powerful or very destructive. Interesting that only Hurley could see Dead Jacob.
Last thought.. I feel bad for Locke.. here is a guy who tried to do what was right most of his life and still got the shaft from everyone. He tried do what he thought would help everyone and island and died because he was a "Man of Faith" and put his faith into something he couldn't see nor understand (much like religion) and what happened he died wondering..
Meanwhile we have Jack who is "Man of Science" who is trying to do things logically and what he feels make the most sense.. He is still alive and fighting.. albeit with a lot of mistakes a long the way.
I'm not saying the show is anti religion or pro science but it is interesting to note. That at some point you have to trust what you see right in front of you and other times you have to just have blind faith.
It became confusing for a while, still not getting the underwater thing maybe it will be explained better as the final season continues. I think it would have been best to leave Juliet gone and not have her at the commencement of this series. Jack has to "man-up" more his character seems to becoming weaker, other characters are over-shadowing where he should be the lead.
Theory A: Jack will become the new Jacob, and the crew will be destined to be the new guardians or keepers of the island.
Theory B: Considering the makers of Lost stated that this final season will be "life-changing," I would say the purpose of the island is to cleanse, or help these people change their lives around in a positive way. That would explain why we have had all these flashbacks and time warps of the crew's unfortunate lives in the real world, before the crash. This is to show the negative their lives were before, and help show their true character while on the island. You cannot deny each character has grown in some way while on the island. There has got to be a reason for the obvious change in people. Maybe you can only leave the island once you have accepted or changed in some positive manner. Each member has become a "better" person while on the island, so maybe this is just to change their lives?
I am soooo glad I stopped watching this show after I missed the 3d episode in season 1, and got, excuse the pun utterly Lost in this nonsense story, if you can call it that. I find these kinds of no answers and confusing and constantly changing plot lines to be stressful. Lost, simply stated, is not good.
If the atom bomb REALLY went off, there would not be any pieces of the hatch ( or Julia) left!! yet there is twisted metal and steal beams everywhere. A nuclear reaction would have melted and incinerated everything for miles (Hiroshima anyone??)..there would not be b jungle all around the hole where the hatch was.. everything would have been flattened...nothing but a giant crater would exist in place of that hatch.. either the writers are so stupid not to realize this or there was never an explosion of the atom bomb there, they just simply breached the large pocket of energy under the hatch and it exploaded.
Get real.. I think the writers of this show must be doing drugs when they write this stuff.. it's like a group of 3rd graders write this show and it doesn't ever make sense.
I stuck with "LOST" series every since the first episode started.
Now that it's ended, I am LOST... I am confused about the ending of this "GREAT" TV Series....
I will truly miss it. There aren't many television series out there that has a person biting their nails and sitting on the edge of their chair wondering what will happend next. This was one of those series.
Please make another "Gripping" Television Series...
The Marquee Blog should have posted a "Spoiler Alert" on the top of this article for people who haven't seen the show yet. Especially since it reveals the big secret with Locke. The whole show built up to it and I can't imagine the letdown people are going to feel after reading this blog.
What was that show last night? Why create a separate reality after the plane crash? They have relived that crash (in different scenarios) at least twice a season since the show began. I was bored and exhausted with the writers trying to create different ways to show the same events. The only great and unique revelation came at the end with Locke. And frankly I don't think I can hang in there for the whole season at this pace.
Oh the season premiere definitely began with a bang! I am going to go through a major withdrawal when this show ends.
I'd like to add that they really didn't answer the question on what is the black smoke. What is the black smoke exactly? Scientifically, I mean? I know I am not the only one who notices that within the black smoke there are these digital images flashing through.
And poor Juliette, I wanted her to tell Sawyer she was pregnant!!! Thank god Sayid is not dead! He's such a great character and needs to be part of the show. Is it next week yet?
It was awesome and OMG episodes. Can't wait to see how this all ends but then again, will be sorry when it does. And Locke being the bad guy now, whoa! but he rocks no matter what.
As usual Lost stuck to it's "answer a few and throw out more questions" formula. I am glad it is ending this season. My head is spinning from remembering all the facts and connecting the dots.
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