Hi, I'm Conan O'Brien, and I've been practicing the phrase, "Who ordered the mochaccino grande?"
Hosting "The Tonight Show" has been the fulfillment of a lifelong dream for me – and I just want to say to the kids out there watching: You can do anything you want in life. Unless Jay Leno wants to do it too.
According to a new TV Guide poll, 83 percent of voters want me to stay at 11:35. When he heard this poll number, President Obama asked, "How can I get NBC to screw me over?"
I'm getting a lot of support out there, especially from an online group calling themselves "Team Conan." It's very exciting-it's the first time in my life I've been on a team where I wasn't picked last.
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I like Jay. It seems like no one remembers that NBC fired Jay Leno to put Conan on the Tonight Show. Conan was fine with that, but when the shoe's on the other foot, it's suddenly not fair. Conan sounds self-righteous when he has no right to be.
After reading various posts (on this blog and others) regarding the mess at NBC (who is getting screwed, who is at fault, which comedian is funnier, etc.), three things stand out:
WHO IS THE FUNNIER COMEDIAN? There is no absolute answer, since “humor is in the eye of the beholder”. In general trends, the older (baby-boomer) generation have been accustomed to watching the likes of Carson, Leno, and Letterman, and appreciate their type of humor – which the younger generation probably finds bland and boring. On the other hand, the younger generations like the humor of Conan (which some of the older generation find “stupid”) or the humor of others like Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert.
Personally, I think that Conan (among the “younger” comedians) is over-rated – at least at present. Although he has some humorous jokes, he spends too much of his time trying to be funny when he is not. Sometimes he is the only person laughing at his joke – at which point he resorts to physical comedy (flapping his hands, preening his eyebrows) in a last ditch attempt to get someone to laugh at him. That’s lame. But, as others have pointed out, when Jay Leno took over the Tonight Show from Johnny Carson, a lot of viewers didn’t think that Jay was very funny either – but over the years he improved and his audience grew. So, Conan has the same work to do, growing into the role, refining his act, becoming funnier overall to a wider variety of audiences – just as Jay Leno did. Over-all, I think he’s a bit funnier now than he was on his previous show – so he’s capable of growth.
GENERATIONAL TV HABITS ARE CHANGING. Naturally, advertisers want to target their audiences to those people who they feel are most likely to spend money on their product. As the baby-boomer generation is beginning to pass into retirement, and the younger generation is increasing, advertising dollars are spent on TV shows that will appeal to the younger generations. However, the advertisers and the networks ignore the generational change in viewing habits. The baby-boomer generation grew up with network TV, so they are more accustomed to watching network TV for after-the-news shows like the Tonight Show, etc. The younger generations grew up with other alternatives, like Fox, other cable – so they aren’t as likely to rely on network TV for their after-the-news entertainment. I would guess that Comedy Central has many more viewers from the younger generation.
NBC has been trying to adjust to a changing viewer market, and isn't doing too well at it. Five years ago they decided that Conan was the "wave of the future", and offered him the Tonight Show in order to retain him, because they perceived that his brand of humor would be as appealing to the upcoming younger generations as Leno (and Carson) had been to the older generation. However, I think that NBC made TWO BIG MISTAKES in their assumptions: 1) the younger generation just isn’t as likely to watch after-the-news shows (i.e. Conan) as the older generation was; 2) the older, baby-boomer generation is STILL watching TV – they haven’t just died off. So, although Leno was very popular in the past (with the older generation – because they watch network TV), the younger population isn’t flocking to Conan to the same degree (because many of them aren’t watching network TV). Conan is losing out to Letterman because the baby-boomers (who are still watching network TV) can still identify with him (in Leno’s absence) more than Conan. It’s not necessarily that Conan isn’t as funny as Letterman (or Leno) – it’s changing viewer demographics and preferences. The types of people who appreciate
I disagree with those who say that Jay Leno is at fault merely because he is sticking around, and refuses to “move on”. They are ignoring the fact that a significant portion of the current network TV viewing audience is still HIS audience – the baby-boomers. Telling Jay Leno to “move on” is equivalent to telling the baby-boomers to “move on” and stop watching after-the-news TV.
QUALITY TV COSTS MONEY TO PRODUCE – IT ISN’T FREE. None of the comedy shows (Tonight Show, Letterman, Daily Show, etc.) are consistently funny night after night – there are funny nights and not-so-funny nights. However, although I like Jay Leno’s comedy, his new prime-time TV show SUCKS – and I imagine he would agree. In an attempt to save money, NBC tried to produce the Jay Leno Show with almost no budget – so it’s full of a bunch of fillers – like 10-at-10 and other junk. Jay Leno is capable of higher quality entertainment, but only if he has the network support ($$). NBC apparently didn’t care if the Jay Leno Show comes in last place – as long as NBC has some net profit from the show (a few advertising dollars coming in and almost no money going into production). But others (i.e. the network affiliates) did feel the collateral damage.
Let’s face it – network TV is facing a big change in the way they will do business in the future, because they now have real competition from Fox, Comedy Central and other cable channels, as well as from Internet streaming. It’s going to be harder to make a buck. If they can’t afford to produce QUALITY programs, viewers will go off network to find them. I think this whole NBC Tonight Show mess is a reflection of this new network crisis. It’s not the fault of Jay Leno, Conan O’Brien, David Letterman, or other personalities – they are unfairly the scapegoats for a mess in which they are involved, but had no part in creating. Each of these personalities has his own audience.
BOTTOM LINE – All of the players will survive. Each of them makes inordinate amounts of money. Each has a specific audience – there is Team Conan, and Team Leno, and Team whoever else. Each of these comedians is capable of giving us a laugh on TV. The only question is where each one will end up (NBC, Fox, etc.). And don’t count Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert out – they give some serious competition to local news at 11PM and the after-the-news shows at 11:35.
Team Conan all the way!! Leno is and always has been lame as hexx.. Conan is more of my generation – and I think that's a big part of what has made all this such a big deal. It's a generational thing.
Go Conan!!! (but not to Fox... That's just weird)
Conan is sweet
They've only given Conan 7 months to get his ratings up, and they stuck him behind a dreadful lead-in from Jay Leno's gawdawful show, so it's no wonder that his ratings haven't been the best. Give him a chance to shine without Leno and see how he does.
Leno is untalented, unfunny and, as it turns out, a nasty lying jerk.
He's had his shot, it's Conan's turn now. Retire with class.
Have you noticed how many comedians are on Conan's side here? The only ones who aren't are tired, unfunny, fogeys who are friends with Leno.
Team Conan all the way.
The Jay Leno show is the "new coke" of NBC. Work well done by the management planning committee.
Leno is a douche!
It's all about business. Jay probably should take his millions and go but I have mixed feelings over the entire verbal wars. Enough. Conan should have known he couldn't keep up with the Big Man on campus.Sad but so. It was a set up when Jay was allowed to hang around for the next decision.Inmates would scream "It's a conspiracy". Jay is losing his dignity in this as well NBC. I hope he can recoup it.
It comes down to dollars and cents. People just don't watch Conan and they were watching Jay. Grow up and just move on Conan. If you are that talented, someone will pick you up. Don't be delusional.
Wow, I've never seen so many posts on CNN EVER. It is clear that NBC SCREWED UP BIG TIME. It's time to FIRE DICK EBERSOL. Count me in for TEAM CONAN!!!
I'm starting to smell a set up here. Could it be that this whole thing is to boost Conan's ratings, get him a wider audience and then just have him stay on Tonight? It's probably not true, but the more he (and Leno) make jokes, the more it seems staged to me. Personally, I like Jay and Conan. Different styles but both good.
Team Conan in Italy too
All right, this is getting ridiculous. I am loving how people are blaming everything from talent to money for this debacle. The situation is very simple. Six years ago, NBC made a promise to Conan that he would have the Tonight Show after Jay left. Yes, NBC offered this plan so they wouldn't lose Conan to another network, but that's the key – they didn't want him to go. Jay also agreed with this plan as he had six years before he had to go anywhere. Conan wasn't shady with this deal; he was upfront about it and he went through the right channels. I remember when this was reported years ago; no one threw the fits they're having now. Why not? Because no one was thinking so far into the future. Someone should have been planning for the transition long before it happened. Anyway, you Leno fans keep forgetting that he caught hell for being Johnny Carson's replacement, not only because Letterman was initially slated to take over, but also because the ratings stunk for Jay at first, too. Does no one remember that NBC wanted do the exact same thing to Jay that they are doing to Conan now? They wanted to move Jay and the Tonight Show to a later slot so Letterman could have his own show at 11:35. Jay threatened to leave NBC if he had to go to the later time. Sound familiar to anyone? NBC has a history of doing this – it's never about talent. They want the ratings and will step on whomever to get them. Blaming Conan for the loss of viewers is idiotic. NBC toyed with the lineup, screwed over "Law and Order" as well as other shows in an attempt to set up for Leno's new show, then as Leno's show started tanking, so did the ratings. The latest excuse is that even with the traditional lineup for five months, Conan's ratings still fell. Well, wait a second. That still leaves the 10:00 slot and the local news as lead-ins. If the network can't keep viewers through that hour-and-a-half time period, why is it suddenly Conan's fault that they don't return at 11:35. Frankly, I think most people (including myself) are watching the "Daily Show" on Comedy Central.
Frankly, Conan is the more talented of the two. He's smart, witty, and genuinely nice whereas Jay's humor is tired and he can be out and out mean to people. His pulling a Favre and trying to regain his former glory after the fact is not classy; it's downright immature. Such actions have hurt Favre for the three(?) past years that he's done it – why should it benefit Jay? For those who criticize Conan's humor and consider it stupid – fine, you are entitled to your opinion. However, might I remind you that we live in a society where the latest examples of great prime-time television humor come from people making asses of themselves by trying to sing on national television ("Pants on the Ground"? You've got to be kidding me.) or lame sitcoms that have no intellectual value whatsoever. Stupidity, it seems, is relative when it comes to humor and I personally think that Jay's humor has been stupid all along (Consider "Jaywalking" – enough said.). Finally, don't even get me started on Letterman. The man has had more scandals in his time as host yet it has only raised his ratings, not hurt them.
All in all, this seems to me a case of "nice guys finish last." Conan tried to do everything right without hurting anyone and he's the one getting screwed in the end. Leno should bow out gracefully and stay out. Letterman just needs to shut up. The network needs to consider the needs of their employees as well as ratings. So, with all that said, let me know when things are worked out. Until then, I'm sticking to Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Obviously Leno is the better comedian.
Go with the flow Conan. Be thankful that you all have a job and that you and your staff have a good salary.
Hey NBC, take a cue from Coca Cola. We all remember the debacle of New Coke! How about TWO TONIGHT SHOWS.
New Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien
Tonight Show Classic with Jay Leno
Who knows, they could bring back the Tonight Show 360 with Johnny Carson.
In fact, you could run one each night. Jack Parr and Steve Allen would round out the week.
Now THAT's something we'd all watch!
I can't help but think that Jay and NBC had one of those wink-wink you'll be reinstated to the Tonight Show if your show tanks. So much for loyality. This could be a microcosm of today's business world: watch your back because if things don't work out, you're out. I prefer Conan's originality and brand of humor to Jay's scripted approach. I watch Conan every night but if he leaves or gets pushed back I will not longer watch either. The whole dust up has left a very bad taste in my mouth about NBC's integrity. What a shame.
Look Leno gave up his spot for something risky. He had 5 years to think about it. Leave Conan alone, go play with your car collection, and stop acting like Bret Farve and really retire.
My suggestion to Conan is to fight back by spurring his bad ratings using Letterman's prescription (sleep with the receptionist, secretary, mailwoman, takeout lady...). It's those bad ratings, not the exec's or Jay, that got him into this mess
I'm on Team Conan.
Ahh. Back to watching my bed time TV. My husband and I are not of the younger generation and Jay Leno was just what we wanted to wind down the day. We never – and still can't – get the humor(?) of either O'Brien or Letterman. Our solution was to watch CBC and then the Ghost Whisperer. Our world is going to go back to normal.
@ Dave – January 14th, 2010 12:55 pm ET
You hit the nail right on the head buddy!! Couldn't have said it better myself...you are absolutely correct!!
Anyone remember the Seinfeld episode with Kramer and Elaine fighting over the bike. The solution was to cut the bike in half.....the true owner and the one who really loved the bike more refused to let it be destroyed to have a piece of it. (I know this concept didn't originate with Seinfeld) Conan is the one who truely loves the Tonight Show and the integrity of the show is more important to him then getting a piece of it!
Don't forget that Jay and his aggressive manager pushed Johnny Carson aside and now they are doing the same ruthless thing to Conan. Revisionists blamed Jay's manager and the public tended to give Jay a pass. Now I wonder. I don't think that Jay's real persona is anything close to being the nice, regular guy that he plays on TV.
I lost my taste for watching Jay.
Leno should take the high road and move on! It s not fair to Conan, his staff and others that joined him on the Tonight Show.
Leno had the opportunity to say no to the 10 pm show and move to another network. He didn't and now he wants to go back at the expense of Conan. Simply not fair, not right.
Jay move on and enjoy your money, cars....
This is about greed folks. Not Conan or Leno. NBC wanted to capitalize on Leno's ratings and used the term of Conan's contract to start the ball rolling. Leno had excellent ratings. They should have been satisfied with that and work something out with Conan before the mess started. In my opinion, Conan would have been better at 10 p.m.He has that neurotic – high energy appeal that would have worked at 10 p.m. His ratings would not have improved at the tonight show. Most people want to to cool down before going to bed not feel like they had 20 coffee before.
Who is Jimmy Fallon? Seriously the most "unfunny" person i've ever seen emerge from SNL. Whoever signed Fallon up for late night TV needs to retire or be fired!
Conan has a contract, Leno needs to go to another network, and Fallon, he needs to go away.
I'm on TEAM CO-CO!
ps:please donate to haiti relief...
I am just going to say that I really LIKE the time slot Jay is in presently. I never was able to watch the show on late due to my work. His
show was the "look forward to " of my evening. I am just wondering what is all the fuss about, leave well enough alone !
Will @ 10:18, what are you talking about? I'm a so called gen Xer and Robin Williams was not my parents generation he is ours. I don't know exactly how old you are but I watched Mork and Mindy when I was in high school, my parents really had no idea who he was until he started to get publicity for his crazy antics. Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers, Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor are my parents generation's comedians.
VMC, you sir, are a fool. "he kept the ratings that he had at 11:35 pm, so that is not a failure. It's just that the numbers needed to be different in that timeslot."- Actually that is a failure. Leno is neither funny or classy. Leno did not push Carson out, but he did screw Lettermen out of the job, which was rightfully his and now he agrees to the terms of a contract that stated he would give the tonight show to conan and now he's taking it back. How is any of that considered "classy". What's the difference between Jay and Conan? Easy: Conan is funny, Jay is not. I'm sorry, but if you think "jay walking" & headlines are the pinnacle of comedy....you just have bad taste. Team O'Brien 4 life.
Although I am not a Conan fan, let's be fair here. In all honesty, Conan should not be forced to give up his 11:35 time slot. I have always been a fan of Jay Leno and would rather watch him any day of the week, but it's just not right. Conan doesn't need to be punished for something that is not his fault!
I'm backing Team Conan!!! I watch the show on CNBC and it would be a shame to see 'Coco' get put on the shelf!
I'm not going to jump on the bash Leno band wagon here (though I am a fan of Conan), but I do want to point out two things: One, as a big part of the history of The Tonight Show, Jay Leno should be just as mad about the proposed move to 12:05. Whether he becomes the host again or not, he's a part of that show's legacy and he should care what happens to it. Two, the ratings. People have seemed to forget that when Leno first started, he was getting killed by Dave (we are getting far too good at revising recent history in this country). It wasn't until Hugh Grant appeared on Leno following his arrest that there was a serious shift in the ratings. A shift that Leno enjoyed until the end of his run (I'm sure that Letterman had a few "wins" here and there as well). Perhaps this is Conan's "Hugh Grant". He's had a huge bump in ratings this week. There's also a fair amount of evidence to support that he's not fully responsible for the ratings drop he started out with. The reason Leno's current show is being axed is that it's killing the lead in to the local news (up to 50% in some of the larger markets, but averaging 25%). That in turn is going to hurt the lead in to The Tonight Show.
I'm with Coco.
Leno has never been funny. My grandparents, who are octogenarians, and generally the only demographic who find Leno amusing, don't even like his humor. Unless NBC just acquired the rights to Geritol, Werther's Originals, and Depends, it is time to sever ties with Leno. If this deal is finalized I would be happy to cut ties with NBC forever, and just download The Office and 30 Rock online.
Go away Jay.
Conan has the comedic wit much like Johnny Carson did. His show is fresh and full of fun! Leno constantly interupts his guests in every interview; Plus Conan and Fallon are the the perfect talk show duo!
I will be supporting Conan and turning my channel to whichever station he lands on.
We every comment only read either 'Conan' or 'Leno', kinda like a poll....I would bet almost anything Conan would win. I'll start....
1. Team Conan !!
I think this is all a ploy to get Conan ratings, which have been up in the last week. Controversy gets viewers. Jay will eventually agree that the "integrity of the institution that is the Tonight Show" must be preserved"
Its all a clever publicity stunt to boost Conan while Jay moves to Vegas.
Team Conan includes the young and people with a sense of humor. Team Leno includes the old and people who are afraid to laugh.
conan, go to abc or fox. nbc will do this to you again if leno decides you must go. leno HAS to know where the bodies are buried. he ain't even funny.
Conan whined like a little girl and TOOK The Tonight Show from Jay leno. Now, Conan is getting a tatse of his own medicine! Whine at another network...Welcome back Jay!!
I don't understand why alot of people are worried about ruining the legacy of the tonight show. The ratings were substantially better when Jay was the host and he should of never been forced to leave. Furthermore the fact that Dave Letterman was involved in a sex scandal and his ratings went up is indicative of America's opinion of Conan.
While Jay's show was very funny and consistent, Conan's bland sarcasm and neverending jokes leave much to be desired. As a teenager, I also never understood why people considered Conan's show hip. Frankly, it was boring and has remained that way.
The day that Jay returns to the Tonight Show will be the day I switch back from Letterman, who despite his "transgressions", has provided a far superior product to Conan's since day 1.
The one big thing that is missing in this whole story is the reason that Conan is out is the poor ratings and to be honest I have tried watching the show a couple of times and I can see why the ratings are poor. Conca take your big check and laugh all the way to the bank.
The NBC Execs are smarter than we think.........do any of you realize as to what all of this "intrigue" has done for the late night ratings? The so called whining, mudslinging, criticisms...blah-blah-blah is all controlled hype and free publicity! Believe me when I say, there will be no losers in this "war". Two out of three of these men will walk away with golden parachutes aka guaranteed retirements. If nothing else, Jimmy Kimmel, who did the "10 at 10" with Jay Leno tonight, kept it going with all of his mouthiness. This so called "feud" between Jay and Conan is the talk of all of the entertainment shows and morning shows........you can't make this stuff up! Jay Leno is a class act; Conan is funny, but would serve all of us a little better if he went back to writing comedy, instead of trying to be a TV personality. Jimmy Fallon is cute, but lacks a presence on TV. There will NEVER be another Johnny Carson. He was the king of comedy. Dry humor will always prevail. Give Jay Leno a break. He hasn't done anything wrong; and David Letterman needs to clean up his own backyard before he starts throwing stufff at Jay. Jay was the better choice for The Tonight Show after Carson retired; and Letterman knows that. That is what is stuck in his craw. He needs to let it go. His show hasn't been too funny for quite some time now. Sorry!
All Jay has to say is STOP and this whole fiasco will be over. And also Jay ain't funny worth a damn no mo!
I'm done with NBC. I've always hated the Today show clowns and other NBC crap. What they're doing to Conan is terrible. Move to FOX Conan and there will be plenty that switch the channel...NBC will regret this one for a long time.
Jay is the best
Can't feel sorry for either one, they both make plenty of money. But why is Leno still doing it, he's had his time, now its time to let the kid have his time doing the big show. He had it for 17 good years, time to make room for the next generation.
It it is true that Leno is pushing NBC to go back to the 11:35 time slot that make him really pathetic......he needs to retire. I was already tired of him!
Actually you are a bit wrong. Before Johnny retired, Leno's agent started a rumour that Carson was going to retire and Leno was going to take over the Tonight Show. At the time, Carson was not ready to announce his retirement and he wanted Letterman to take over the Tonight Show. Carson said he would never appear on the Tonight Show as long as Leno was host. I am not sure, but I think Johnny stuck with that. One of Johnny's rare tv appearances post retirement was on Letterman, it was his last tv appearance I believe, and he often sent jokes to Letterman.
To whoever said Johnny Carson was pushed out by Leno...wrong! Refresh your memory. Johnny chose to retire because he lost interest in the show after the unexpected death of his son. Leno did not want to retire, he was told to. As for the so-called failure of his show...he kep the ratings that he had at 11:35 pm, so that is not a failure. It's just that the numbers needed to be different in that timeslot. Conan has not been able to approximate those numbers, either before or during the Jay Leno show's airing. He's not delivering on the numbers he needed in that timeslot. (So what's the difference? Why pick only on Jay?) Stop the bleeding hearts for Conan...he's already earned more money than most of us on this site will earn together in our lifetimes. (Yes, I know Jay has even more.) Leno is classy, funny, and can beat the competition, 3 things Conan can't match.
The bottom line is that Conan and Leno are both under contract, and NBC will decide whether to move Jay back to The Tonight Show. Conan has half the viewers Letterman does, and the network will do whatever will make them the most money.NBC already screwed Leno and now Conan will get the shaft.
I adore Conan O'Brien. LET CONAN KEEP THE TONIGHT SHOW!!!!! He's fresh, he's so funny, and his impromptu humor cannot be beat. I tune in every night now that Conan is on! I was always sorry to miss him at 12:30am, since I fall asleep by then.
I think everyone needs to relax and step back.
My take on what will go down, is:
Jay is too much of a class guy and would never do what most of you think he will to Conan.
conan is just not funny. do any of you have any business acumen? in tv land it's all about ratings....
i like both leno and conan but i think jimmy fallon and the roots should run late night.
Every generation has a comedian who is NOT funny. For our grandparents it was Bob Hope, for our parents Robin Williams, and for Gen Xers like me, we have Conan. Give The Tonight Show back to Leno.
Conan just isn't as funny as Leno. I tried watching the Tonight Show w/ Conan, and fell asleep. Where with Leno, i would always watch until the end. Ratings dropped big time after Conan took over. NBC has to do what it has to do to keep up with the ratings....so if Jay takes over, so be it! At least I'll be happy....isn't that what matters most?
If Jay had any respect for the Tonight Show he would just quit. I can't believe he would even ponder going on at 11:35. So Jay's primetime show bombs and now he wants the tonight show back. Have a little dignity.
Jay should just quit. He is not funny any more.
Team Conan! Agreed with multiple posts above: Leno needs to just bow out gracefully, a la Carson – your time is done, move on. Go buy more cars, stand up, whatever. Sienfeld did it. Leno should ride the next wave, and allow Conan the same respect that Leno asked for (and got) in developing his show. Nobody wanted to see Carson go, but Carson allowed Leno to be his own guy, with his own show. Leno, please, just move on and allow Conan to be his own guy on his own show.
Leno is officially the Brett Farve of late night television...he can't stay retired and he's indecisiveness is screwing a lot of people. Good job Leno, good job. How selfish.
if i were conan or any member of the team that moved from new york to california, i would be pissed to have my job given away just as the adjustment was taking place. i would rather watch infomercials than leno when he was on tonight show. conan was always way more funny than leno. now that nbc has/had a powerhouse late night lineup they are messing it up. fallon rules, conan is king, leno is a geek with a stupid looking face and laughs like a dunce. geeze... nbc way to eff it up.
I'm with Conan all the way. It doesn't matter who is funnier, Johnny Carson wasn't funny at all – his jokes were stupid and I never understood his appeal, I think he was just in the right place at the right time. Leno retired and now he wants his toys back – he should learn to share and bow out gracefully.
Zucker/Leno are the Emperors wearing no clothes! Back in 2004 Conan justifiably wanted to eventually have the tonight show or try more advancement, so he made a deal with NBC who didnt want to loose Conan or Jay, so they used Conan for 5 years. Now Jay changes his format in the 10pm slot , dulling the entertainment value (did you notice?) , why? Because he wants the ratings bad so he can get his show back at 1135. Now NBC decides they're done using him and figure they can keep him from going against Jay with the non-compete clause. Conan just wanted a good show and NBC and Jay agreed to it and now they are screwing Conan. Also its obvious and historical that it takes more than 7 months to build up the ratings and the following of viewers in a new time slot. The affiliates started all this pressure because of their short term money interests. The TONIGHT SHOW could have been great but now Jay is back in but hes NOT the future. Good luck NBC your going to get all the bad karma. TEAM CONAN!
Jay needs to take a hike. He's had his moment in the sun and now it's time to move on and let someone else have a shot. He got NBC to give him a new show in the hopes it would be bigger and better than the Tonight Show was. It flopped. BIG TIME. Now Jay's all whiney that it didn't work and now want's his old job back.
Only in the entertainment industry could a person leave a job, fail at the new one and then ask for their old job back and receive serious consideration on allowing it.
If I quit my job and came back six months later asking for my old position at the same salary, what do you think my old boss would tell me???
Look before you leap, Jay. This smacks so much of the Leno/Letterman scandal, it's not even funny.
GO TEAM CONAN!
Count me in Team Conan.
Ultimately the vast majority of the blame goes to NBC. First for agreeing to include the clause in Conan's contract saying they'd give him the Tonight Show (which obviously had no input from Leno). Next for thinking that a late-night comedy show would do well enough for prime-time. And, finally, for siding with Leno and agreeing to shuffle their long-standing late-night lineup.
Leno gets a significant portion of the blame as well for not gracefully stepping aside and allowing Conan the time NBC promised him. They could have given him a weekend slot, or, perhaps alternated with Conan as host (though I have a feeling that neither would have like that one).
Leno should be the one leaving NBC. Leno's the one who wants to be back in his old time slot, he's the one breaking his contract (or bending it, as the case may be). Leno is acting like a spoiled brat.
I think it is now clear that network TV is in its death throws. Fox can make good shows, but seems to like canceling them if they don't immediately perform well. CBS makes high-budget shows, but their scripts seem to be getting rather stale of late. ABC occasionally makes something good but they don't seem to be able to tell good ideas from bad so everything averages out to mediocre. This is just another symptom.
Leno had his time. He needs to go. I'm on Team CONAN for sure!
You can't move a show that's been around 56 years for a guy that is going to retire in 6 years. Whether you like him or not, his "general appeal" is fading. It is a short sight of both NBC executives and a selfish Leno, who has not publicly objected to the compromise of an American institution. It's easy to figure the executive angle – transient vampires jumping from corporation to corporation disrupting the balance of things, including lives, to meet their bottom line. Leno, do the right thing and restore your reputation for the crooked deal that went down in '92. You've had a good run and proven yourself.
Letterman, if they let this happen and you were waiting for the perfect moment to retire, THIS IS IT!!! Convince CBS to lock Conan in as your replacement. It is poetic justice; you save the Tonight Show time slot; you hurt NBC; and pass the rivalry to Conan to compete directly with Conan. I have great respect for you Letterman.
Carson would be TEAM CONAN!
NBC sucks. Don't tell me I am going to have to switch to watching that horrible show with that Dave guy who can't keep it in his pants. I think I would rather just turn off the t.v. and read a book than continue to watch NBC or suffer thru the David Letterman show as an alternative. Maybe I can start falling asleep to the Food Network or reruns of The Simpsons.
Honestly, if Jeno doesn't know what the hell he's doing to Conan or Fallon I suggest letting Leno hosting The Tonight Show for just ONE night, Conan the next, and we'll see the ratings this time, showing who is just deserving and patient for this opportunity... ahemconanahem.
Why can't Conan just wait his turn like all the other Tonight Show Hosts..?
Leno's not ready to leave yet..
Conan and his baloney about his life.. does he think we are stuoid?
NBC's late night debacle is just Karma's way of getting even, after they cancelled "My Name is Earl" to make way for Leno.
So why not put the show on six nights a week? Let Leno have Sunday and Monday so he can rip on the Sunday morning news shows. Give the rest of the week to Conan, especially for the Thursday night movie plugs. Then they can cover each other for vacations and holidays so the show is on nonstop through the year.
If SNL finally goes under, they can make it seven nights.
For all I care: I'll still watch Letterman instead.
I am on Team Leno!
A show cannot possibly flourish without network aid in things like promotion, proper programming before said show, and a general feeling of certainty and confidence over the content. Conan has received none. He is popular and as shown through the massive support on the internet, in the streets, and apparently in the White House, his persona and general presence on TV is much more appreciated then Leno's. NBC caters to Leno, that much is blatantly obvious and I respect O'Brien for putting his foot down and refusing to be dragged through the dirt and take part in the end of the legendary Tonight Show.
Some people find Conan's humor to be elementary and of the slap-stick quality. That's fine and its fine to prefer Leno. I've been watching Conan since I was in high school and I cannot imagine my nights without him. What isn't right is the crude and uprooting callousness of NBC and the obvious side deal with Leno that has put this honest, hilarious and talented individual in a situation such as this. If NBC goes through this insidious deal then "Au revoir" and good riddance. You've lost a dedicated viewer.
Leno needs to retire already and go away. His show got miserable ratings and this stunt is wasting everyone's time. He steals almost all of his bits from Howard Stern – if you do not believe me, google "Leno steals from Howard Stern". He can't do anything original and succeed, so now he's forced to claw back to the show he left instead of bowing out gracefully like he should have when he moved on.
I stopped watching Jay Leno because his jokes became 'smutty" and his guests bordered being unknown.
What does Leno have against ex hosts of the late show? He screwed Letterman in the 90's and now he is screwing Conan.
We also must not forget that six years ago the announcement was made that Jay would retire and Conan would take his place. This was something that Jay was onboard with and happy about. Then the year before it as set to happen he changed his mind and started making noises that he wanted to keep the show, but it was too late. To appease him the network gave him his stupid prime time show.
Long story short: Conan rocks and Jay is a douchebag!
l'm a gen-x-er and l firmly stand behind COCO. Leno and the NBC execs are still trying to run TV with a Jack Valenti style of management and my generation and people younger than me are not going to stand for this B.S.. TV is going to go the way of fallen newspapers, if they don't wake they'll die with the older generation thats loyal to Leno!
There is plenty of blame to go around on all sides. I'm glad that somebody else finally posted how this situation started. About 6 or 7 years ago, Conan was being recruited away to another network and being offered his own show to compete with NBC. The network gave him whatever he wanted to stay, and what he wanted was The Tonight Show and it's time slot. They did what they had to do to get Leno to agree, and everything seemed rosy. It looks like Jay realized that he wasn't ready, and his fans didn't want him to go either, so that's when the primetime show was created.
Conan is not completely innocent here, but I will agree Jay could make it all go away by taking a 1/2 hour after Conan, or just go to another network himself. The only one who is innocent and not getting in the way is Jimmy Fallon, who I believe is doing a better job than both Jay and Conan.
Don't feel too sorry for Conan – he will be raking in the bucks from whatever NBC is required to pay him, and then he will get a huge contract from FOX or ABC. I just hope he can take care of his staff who all moved from NYC to LA.
Don't be surprised if you see Mr. Fallon someday as the youngest person to ever host The Tonight Show.
I can't believe the people who don't understand why people are saying negative things about Leno. He needs to step aside and move on. Cancel him completely, don't move the whiny jerk. Conan deserved his shot at The Tonight Show and it shouldn't be erased because Leno failed at prime time.
I vow to never again suffer through Leno on anything and this latest move will cause me to select non-NBC shows over NBC shows.
I'm all for Coco!
The problem is the NBC suits. They did not have to give Conan the Tonight Show and they did not have to give Jay his own show. It sounds like they were worried about compeitition so they made promises and hoped they would not have to keep them. You guys are delusion, if you do not think that Jay has a clause in his contraction that says I go when I want to go (another thing the suits should have shut down). When I think of the Tonight Show, I think LA, warm, sandy beaches; I think Leno fits that whole vibe more than Conan. In the end, Letterman wins, GO DAVE!!!
I was a die-hard Letterman guy, and the fact that the red headed upstart won me over is a testament to how funny he is.
And of course, hey Jay, you retired. Go to Vegas or ask Bono for a good cause or something.
Team Conan for Me.
NBC is really screwed up, but the fact is that leno has it all over Conan Conan suks Leno rules
My only words for Conan - I'll have a mocah latte – and hold the attitude
Jay and Conan... two great tastes that would probably taste great together.... why not have them co-host a super show... imagine the possibilities.
while ellen is funny she is not late night funny.
Leno is washed up. Conan is the only reason I ever watch NBC.
I like both of them, but I like Conan better. Jay needs to bow out gracefully. He signed a contract stating he would retire in 2009. If he didn't like it, he shouldn't have signed it. Conan and his crew have worked hard to get the tonight show and now 7 months having uprooted their lives from NYC to LA they are put on the back burner? Come on Leno, step down.
If Conan does leave NBC, maybe he can go back to writing for the Simpsons again and make them funny as they used to be.
Leno is old and boring, his act became tired and predictable years ago. He had his run. Conan is a refreshing change and made me start watching the Tonight Show again.
But at least I've got Ferguson.
Keep the sheeple occupied by giving the Tonight Show back to Leno. NBC is a sinking ship anyway. Don't worry Leno will be fine, his chin doubles as a flotation device. The rest of us with more than half a brain will be watching Conan on FOX!
Whoever said Ellen is funny, beats both Jay and Conan; this is the best joke I have heard all day. Jay is not funny and Conan is only slightly more so, NBC will never improve ratings with either one of these two. The Tonight Show is dead, who cares, what happens to it
Jay! really wants the show that's why he accepted it. I wish he bows out with respect and let Connan runs the tonight show...Its sad they are both great comedian.
Remember when Johnny Carson was coming to the end of his time and had guest hosts all the time it seemed? Why not let them both do it! Jay one week and Conan the next or every other day have a different host. This way the fans would get the best of both–and Jay and Conan would get time to spen with their family, friends and hobbies. Take some time off you two! Maybe we can have Joan Rivers do the host – gig while you guys sort it all out! :^D
I don't get it. Conan is just not funny to me at all. What am I missing? I don't see it.
Jeff Zucker made the decisons why blame Jay?
If NBC wanted Conan, why did they hype Leno at 10:00 more than they did Conan 11:30? Leno wasn't exactly great when he started, but NBC kept him. I think Conan is great and Leno was great, he just needs to move over and let someone else have a chance. Leno must have a great deal of pull because NBC is doing everything to keep him and very little to keep Conan. Personally, I hope Conan goes to FOX I'll be only too happy to watch him and wish him well.
I think Jay should go to Fox in the same time slot as Conan....bet you he beats him and Letterman in the ratings.
I think a lot of you have forgotten that NBC PUSHED Leno out. He didn't want to go, but NBC had contracted O'brian so Leno had to leave. Then when so many complained about Leno leaving, NBC gave Leno the 10:00pm show. It was publicized that NBC was afraid they made a mistake but couldn't do anything about it. I think it was the plan all along that if they kept Jay at 10:00, and if Conan didn't make it, they'd bring Leno back.
U think Leno would've cried foul if Carson had taken the 10pm hour in 1992? You think anyone would want to go on Leno if Carson was around? If they had promoted Carson's show and not Leno's Tonite it would have been classless. A brawl, which is what we have now.
No Carson was forced out just as Leno was, but he went off and left the show. Jay needs to show as much class as Johnny and leave it alone.
Show some class Jay, it's over.
The whole back-and-forth fascination with this is understandable only if you're loyal to one or the other. Or if you just enjoy the drama of workplace-backstabbing.
For me and mine, it's all about Craig Ferguson! He's clever, irreverent, good-lookin', and just all around entertaining. Watching his show is like being in on a perpetual in-joke.
definitely on team conan! leno should bow out gracefully. it was his debacle of a "comedy" show that led to this collapse and instead of just acknowledging that he failed and retire gracefully, he's going to take a job away from conan that he's been dreaming about and preparing for his whole life and that NBC has been grooming him for for 5+ years? and don't forgot that conan uprooted his whole family and staff to move to LA to do that show. to those of you who don't get the anger toward leno, you have no idea how this stuff works. believe me, even though leno hasn't been funny since the 80s (when he was actually a very good stand-up), he got ratings in late night - thanks in large part to NBC strong prime-time lead-in. that is what matters to execs. he's gold for sponsors too because he is so bland and non-controversial. leno ruined the prime time lead in (his show's terrible ratings even brought down the ratings of local news on NBC affiliates around the country!), and is punishing conan for it. it shows what kind of man leno actually is. the only thing that could possibly repair his image is if he retired and ended this whole drama.
Leno wasn't pushed out. He agreed to retire. He thought he would be ready to retire by now. He signed a contract to that effect. I get that he changed his mind, which is his right, but by doing so he's messing up both Conan's and Fallon's arrangments. Seems selfish to me.
pattyphoenix must've been a ticket-taker or some1 who didn't pay attention at work.
It was not Carson's decision to use Jay over Dave as his replacement. That is why Jay didn't thank Johnny on his first night, Carson didn't like Leno. Carson appeared on Letterman's show – why would he appear on Letterman's show and not Jay's if that was his choice?
You're using labels like former NBC employee to give you credit – yeah right, get me some coffee too then. Idiot
If Leno wants the slot back, they should happily hand it back over for several reasons. Number one being that he isn't odd and awkward to watch. Number two, Conan destroyed the Tonight Show ratings. And three, he is actually funny and has segments that don't make you want to slowly and painfully pull each toenail off. I do feel bad for Conan though. It would feel terrible to work your entire life for a dream only to have it taken away one year later. You know, sort of like professional basketball players who get paid millions of dollars only to find out they can't really cut it in the big leagues.
GO TEAM CONAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leno did not start out with great ratings when he first took over from Carson; he was given the chance and patience to find his audience. Johnny Carson walked away with class! Leno needs to bow out and let Conan do the same! Letterman picked up ratings because of the scandal. Leno please retire.
pattyphoenix once again is incorrect. Carson was pushed out. Get the facts str8 before you defend the indefensible!
NBC saw Carson's numbers begin to dwindle and tapped the Doritos guy as the host, as Leno had guest-hosted the Tonight Show and his numbers were better than Johnny's.
That's how Carson got kicked. He was forced to enjoy the rest of his life, he prolly wanted to work. :)
Jay Leno retired 6 years ago and left this to Conan. Putting Jays show at 10 was the worst idea, no one watched it, then no one watched the news... why the heck would they stick around to watch Conan. He caused this whole thing. Jay should bow out, like he said he was going to so many years ago. Retire... like you said you would.
Is anybody thinking of the children
Leno is not making the decision but he is allowing it to happen. If he had any respect for the others that follow him he would say, "I won't bump back the other show hosts so I can have my time slot back. I have too much integrity to punish others for a mistake the network made."
Conan is rightfully angry and I hope he gets a competitive time slot on another network. Leno does not deserve a second chance in this case.
LOOK! While I will admit that Jay Leno 'ain't no Johnny Carson' , Conan O'Brien ain't no Jay Leno; also Conan ain't no Letterman either. 50+ years ago I served on the USS O'Brien (DD-725). If I was at NBC I would not serve on Conan's sniveling sinking ship. I would love to see Leno on Fox if that's what it takes to wipe Conan's nose.
BTW 'pattyphoenix', great comment.
Let Conan keep his Tonight Show gig.....and bury himself....He will never do as good as Jay and I doubt he would last as long. His ratings were not good, whether he was there only 7 months or 7 years. Even Letterman was beating him in the ratings...of course, Letterman wants Conan to stay, because he is ahead of him nightly. Remember NBC is the one who more or less forced Jay out because they wanted to keep Conan...he threatened to leave unless NBC gave him the Tonight Show. Well, he got it and the ratings were poor. I don't know why he's "picking" on Jay because he's the one who didn't play fair years ago by threatening to leave unless he got Jay's job. How do you think Jay felt back then, being forced out because Conan was being an asshole and threatening to leave if he didn't get what he wanted. I can't stand him...he's an idiot!!
I should add, Conan has already had his hand in creating "classic" material...quoted here by Leno fans – why else would u say – meh, if not for the Simpsons. Gee, Conan was a writer for the Simpsons (and did voices). He was also a writer for SNL. His "silly" bits that apparently don't amuse some and antics are closer to emulating Carson & Steve Allen or other classics like Sid Caeser...."silly" has a pretty good track record for being funny too. In fact, in my record store days, I seem to recall Triumph the Insult Dog out sold & kept paces with top music artists of the day.
So sad for those that just want someone to stand there and tell bad jokes "professionally" like Jay. If he's really that funny doing that , how come he's never had an HBO live concert or successful (or any) comedy cd. He instead did really bad acting in really bad movies and a Doritos commercial. OOps, I almost forgot... and had a horrifically bad prime time show.
The good news for those that enjoy Leno....he may possibly be coming to your town soon....and you'll have to decide whether put your money where your mouths are and shell out bucks to see him.
If new shows/hosts weren't given a chance to find to find their audience Leno would've been gone long ago....Seinfeld would have gone off in the first season and many others. Give Conan a chance w/o being saddled by Leno's lame lead in and NBC's lame line-up – you'll grow accustomed to his smile & style qouth another classic song. Make changes later if all else fails.....
Does anyone think that all this NBC Leno/Conan stuff is generated to create ratings for the network. True, just like the days of the Roman Gladiators, hosts are meant to fall. However, its really all about ratings. Like Watergate, you follow the money, and in this case, follow the ratings. Way to go NBC! Yeah, right!
Keep Conan. Dump Jay.
Leno needs to pack it up.. I have lost all respect for the guy.
Because if Leno had any class he would not take the job back. His show sucked and he failed miserably and now he wants his job back. I say don't give it to him. He is, and always has been, a class 'A' jackass.
With you Conan! Screw Leno! Leno is pushing NBC to knock Conan back. Good for Conan for pushing back at NBC and Leno!
Anyone notice that FOX doesn't want Leno? The #1 TV channel wants Conan. Hint, Hint... Jay, you're a great comedian and a valuable talent. But Conan is what's hot.
I agree with you Don, carson was the master. But I disagree that Leno is funnier than Conan.. No way. This guy's timing is impeccable, he can write too, wrote for SNL yars ago before this gig.
Leno has literally not been funny since his old stand-up days in late 80s
This debacle had nothing to do with either Leno or O'Brien. It's the idiotic management running NBC; the same group of clowns that axed "Southland," after it replaced "ER," because of "excessive costs." The only thing that may save them is the Winter Olympics but that will only be temporary. This is what happens when you have bean counters running a TV network. There's more to entertainment other than spreadsheets. Too bad. NBC used to be the flagship network but they're sinking like a rock!
Pack it in, Starbucks is looking for good people. Your being paid wayyyyyyyyy to much dough. You make enought to help feed Haiti for a year or two and speaking of that, give a hugh donation to assist those people.
I am very excited that Leno is coming back, I can't stand Conan.
If Conan went to Comedy Central, they could put a two hour block of Stewart, Colbert, and Conan out. That would CRUSH Local News, Leno, and Fallon.
Leno didn't give up The Tonight Show – this whole thing started because Conan pushed for it. The Tonight Show was #1 when Leno had it. I watch Craig Ferguson anyway – he's the best.
If Leno moved to the 11:35 time slot then that makes him just as bad as NBC for backstabbing Conan.
Once Jay gets the tonight show back i hope he tanks!! he doesnt need the money or the job, stay home and work on your cars, give someone else a chance, what a slap in the face to Conan
I'm with Coco!!! Leno needs to go.
Me again – with more inside dish from NBC. Carson retired from Tonight Show because of poor health, and to enjoy the rest of his life, which he did – Jay did not force him out. Jay fought Letterman and was given the job when Johnny left, but it was Johnny's choice and Jay stayed at #1. Letterman obviously still hates him for it. Letterman and Jay are very, very different men. Jay does not cheat on his wife. He is a good guy. Jay was never given a choice of retiring from the show – it was taken from him. Man – you haters out there just don't like the truth! Watch Conan on Fox. If Jay goes to Fox, that's where the rest of us will watch him if we are not Letterman fans!
Leno sucks! He's old and out of date... Putting him back in late night is completely idiotic! All the old people who may enjoy him are already in bed a sleep...
Never a big fan of Leno, but liked him just fine. Now, I don't care for him at all. Sour grapes got the best of him and he doesn't seem so much like the nice guy everyone thought he was. A shame.
Meanwhile, Conan and all his staff up-rooted their families and moved to LA only to get the boot after seven months w/o time enough to find their footing and build a new audience. Sad. (Remember, Leno also got a sluggish start at first when he took over for Carson. NBC gave him the time and support – why not now?)
Switch the channel, folks, and let NBC lie in the bed of misery it has made for itself. Dummies.
Beverly Hillbilly re-runs... Yes!
Yeah, I think that's retarded how everyone is pointing the finger at Leno. Definitely not his fault. I actually happen to think Leno is funnier than Conan at times. What they need to do is hire new writers, NOT relocate the time slot. I'll be blunt in saying that's a piss poor excuse to cover up how your company works.
I'm 57 years old and have watched the Tonight Show since I was a kid. I was very disappointed when it was announced that Conan was to take over because, honestly, he is not funny at all. Jay is a natural. I prefer his monologues and his jokes. Conan's jokes and antics are very lame. Of course, no one can beat Johnny Carson. Bottom line is NBC made the biggest booboo when they chose Conan to take over. Conan is KILLING the Tonight Show.
I like Conan over Leno. Leno be a man and move over like you said you would. Your show sucks
Leno has already been on the air toooooo looooong!! His jokes aren't even funny anymore, so I believe he needs to retire with his 200+ cars.
When Jay Leno left the Tonight show...I thought we wouldn't hear from him in the evenings on TV...I was hoping so! Now the network is wanting to give Conan's time spot to Leno...get real...Leno needs to retire from TV...he no longer is funny and needs to step aside. Good luck Conan!!!!
PattyPhoenix is crazy. She doesn't get Letterman. She doesn't get Conan. She complains about what she doesn't understand'
Nobody put a weapon to Jay Leno's head and forced him to give up his show last spring. It was his idea to retire and name Conan heir to the throne. He should retire like he said he WANTED to. All the people who thought Jay Leno was a class act should now realize how wrong they were. Jay Leno needs to man up and step aside. At least Letterman never claims to be anything other than an overage frat boy.
Question for Leno fans . . . If Leno is so wonderful and funny then why aren't you watching his show at 10:00? Hmmmm, he must not be all that great.
Some of you believe Leno had great ratings and Conan did not. The fact is that Leno's rating were terrible for his first 18 months on air. Letterman crushed him in the ratings until that fateful night with Hugh Grant. When Conan took over "Late Night", he too stank it up for the first couple years. However, Conan built that show into his own powerhouse. It takes considerable time to claim ratings productivity. Leno has had modest gains on Letterman over the years, but that is because he caters to the generic masses. Letterman is more pointed. Conan has been more pointed. Carson loved Letterman and did not want Leno to take over "Tonight". Fact is, Leno is a dull, humorless, egomaniac who needs to be put down for the good of the country.
Kimmel is finally showing some creativity – he is revealing the poor performance formula Jay uses on a nightly basis. Making lame innuendos and relying on the bank to deliver the punch line.
Kudos for Kimmel
These two guys hate each other. That's the reason. They always hated each other. NBC tried to control Conan on the Tonight Show. He's not happy there. They don't let him jump around on the show anymore...which is why he jumped really high on Tuesday's show! It was awesome! Then he spun and did the string dance!!!!!!!! It was great! I hope he goes to another network because they'll let him do whatever he wants.
Conan yes. Leno No. Bring back Preparation H Larry and watch his ratings soar.
I wish I wish I wish we could have town hall meetings like the conservatives had with health care – only i want one with Late Night programming.
Let one of those shitbag execs sit and listen to all of us who now insist that they live with their decision.
The execs making these horrible decisions, i would love to get an email address or something we can cram down their box!
I want to see Leno move to TBS, he can take George Lopez' show. Or if that's too late for him, put him on NBC at 3pm, he can take Ellen's show.
See what ABC is doing, Kimmel's ratings aren't so great, why not just have Leno take the 1205 at ABC?
I hear that CBS late night isn't doing all that great, see if Leno can follow Letterman? Ferguson probably doesn't have Leno's agent – I'm sure he can get some dirt on Craig.
Jay Leno is Bret Favre.
LENO is terrible. His act is tired and he IS just NOT FUNNY. Conan is new and fresh and a little edgey. I am Team Conan all the way. Plus Conan's skits are so much better. You can't even compare the genius of the Triumph skits with the same old same old boring Jay Walking skit. Yes, Jay, there are some not so bright people in this country. We get it. Try something new. Even though I don't find Leno the least bit funny I would occasionally tune in (after the corney horrible monologue, of course) if he had a guest that I like. I will not longer do that. I would rather have my fingernails pulled out then tune into the Tonight Show if they put Jay Leno back on it. I really hope that Fox (or any other another network) picks up Conan at 11:35 so that Letterman and Conan can crush Leno in the ratings.
error on my previous comment, Conan is not going through with it, when it says that he is.
Georgie, you are totally right on. I think you have come up with the best solution to the situation. Jay is just tired now, and Conan is still fresh and funny. I'm on Team Conan!
Now, we all know the story. Jay Leno is moving back at 11:35 p.m. and Conan is going through with it. Now, neither of them are at fault here. If there is anyone to blame, it would be Jeff Zucker. He is the head of NBC and all of the networks. This is how it should go:
Fire or demote Jeff Zucker and hire a new CEO of NBC Universal. Jay Leno had his run as host of the Tonight Show, so he should just retire, continue his articles in Popular Mechanics and become a host on another network that deals not with stand-up, but with cars. Conan will keep his post as host of the Tonight Show and Jimmy Fallon will have his job as host of Late Night, at 11:35 and 12:35, respectively.
For those of you blaming Conan's ratings on the lead-ins: Remember, when Conan first took over, he had the same lead-ins as Jay did at the end of his run. The difference? Jay was #1 anyway. That said, any new host needs more than 7 months to build a Tonight Show audience. Pulling the plug on Conan due to ratings just would not be fair at all. But please don't blame the lead-ins for his low ratings, folks. Jay had those same lead-ins and was fine.
Good for Conan. One man doesn't run the network, besides it is time to move on to younger, newer talent. Jay is outdated and needs to move on.
Let's face it, Jay is washed up anyway. He should should retire.
He has not been funny since 1990.
Conan has lost the Tonight Show's audience and destroyed its ratings. Put Leno back on at 11:35 and get the world back to normal. NBC screwed up by cowering to Conan's demands 6 years ago when the forced Leno to set a timetable to leave. Conan has blown his chance. Too bad for Conan.
Conan's ratings have been low since he started. He never got his footing in as the host of The Tonight Show and I don't believe it has anything to do with 'only having 7 months'. Jay Leno is good at what he does and was good as the shows host for a long time. NBC is trying to save the late night scene, since David Letterman has ruled it for the last year. I actually prefer David Letterman, but what does Conan expect, if he's not doing good, of course NBC needs to do something to change that around.
I like Leno, Conan, and Letterman.
HOWEVER, it was a dumb move for NBC to move Leno out of the Tonight Show because he was a guarantee consistent lead over Letterman for the past 17 years (ish). I certainly don't blame Conan for saying he wanted The Tonight Show or would leave NBC (I would've said the same if I was him), but NBC should've stuck with Leno obviously since he is more mainstream, and again...drew considerably higher viewers than Letterman.
Conan at this point should totally leave for FOX, and Leno should get back on Tonight Show. He will lead in the ratings again if they go back to his old format of Tonight Show. Yeah, it sucks that Conan gets pushed out...but everyone wants to make a profit, and everyone wants to win in ratings, so I feel like that's the most plausible scenario.
I would rather watch paint dry then Conan.
Did anyone watch Larry King a couple nights ago....the whole reason Conan is losing the show is because he doesn't have the ratings– Bottom line – NBC screwed up by taking the show from Jay and giving it to Conan....now they are the ones that want to take it back from Conan and give it back to Jay, like nothing ever happened. I have to agree with NBC on the fact that yes, it should be Jay's show, but what a mess they have created for themselves...it is unfair what they did to Conan, but they are going to treat this as business and do what they want in the end to save their show & their ratings!! Truthfully, I haven't once watched The Tonight Show since Jay left, and I would LOVE for him to come back to it....
I like how several comments assume those of us under 40 would follow Conan.
The reality is far different. My household has 3 people under 40, none of us like Conan's humor. Ratings also show Conan failed to grab the key 18-49 demographic since he originally took the chair: They're split with Letterman. Remember, he had a little over two months before Leno came back on the air.
Also, Conan's style of humor hasn't changed, but we all have. I used to like Conan about 5 or 6 years ago, but I've since tired of his self-denigrating, potty humor and "grown" out of it. This means NBC doesn't have a solid host in place who can expand. Conan may grab some 18-25 year olds, but he doesn't have the staying power beyond the young viewer demographic, and as people get older they'll simply stray away to other programs. Why would you want to stick with a host who doesn't appeal to a broad range of viewers for your late night show?
Conan has sucked since day one. He is not funny.
Just like American Idol let the viewers decide who should host the Tonight show. Have Leno and Conan alternate hosting the Tonight show for two weeks. Each host would have 5 chances to offer the best guests, do their best jokes, and prove to the viewers that they are the correct host for the job. Viewers can vote by calling in to decide who they want. and the winner is...
Agree with PattyPhoenix.
Kimmel also behaved like a total ass insulting Jay. Never watched him and never will. His ratings must suck too to stoop to such a nasty routine.
These jerks true colors are hideous. Their knee jerk reactions to a situation they were not involved in shows their maturity level. Gross really.
Conan is way funnier.
What's with all the Leno bashing? It was my understanding that Jay never wanted to leave the Tonight Show, but he was forced out. For years Jay did not want to leave, but NBC set the transition in motion several years ago. Jay took what he could get, which was the earlier hour because of the simple fact that he never wanted to leave to begin with. For people to bash Jay for wanting his beloved old job back is ludicrous. If you were ousted from a job you were happy with, wouldn't you want it back if it became available?
I also don't get all the "team Conan" and "team Leno" chatter. They are both good in their own ways and it should be about taking sides. Jay did well in the 10:35 slot, Conan has not. It's survival of the fittest and when Jay was in the 10:35 slot, he almost always got the best ratings. NBC doesn't care who the fans like, they are looking at the bottom line and the bottom line is that Jay Leno brought them more money in the 10:35 slot. That said, I love Conan also, but his humor is not as mainstream as Jay's and the older demographic doesn't seem to get his jokes. Jay is more accessible to all ages, which is why his ratings were better.
I'm excited to see how this will play out and I wish them both well.
What ismost amazing about this whole affair is that the 'brains' at NBC created this mess six years ago when they decided to replace their number one show/star. Conan is good, but so is Jay. They appeal to different audiences. So the 'brain' who decided to move Jay instead of developing a different formula for Coan is the person (s) who should go. It would serve NBC to have both of them leave and have to go up against both of them in the later not slot. It ironic that Dave who is the least of the three ends up winning this farce. Fire the NBC execs (all of them) and allow Conan a shot at winning back the ratings. Give Jay another vehicle with some money to do it properly.
25yr old from FL!
Im giving this vote on Conan's Hair alone! lol~
Of course Conan should go after Leno. You don't think Leno's pushing this in some way? C'mon. The guy stole the Tonight Show gig from Letterman 17 years ago, and now he's going after it again at Conan's expense. So fire away at Leno. He DOES deserve it.
The reason NBC execs love Jay so much is because he's their shameless tool (to put it kindly). That's why NBC always goes with him over vastly-superior entertainers like Letterman and Conan, even though he's dreadfully bland.
Any animosity some might feel towards Leno should not be surprising. Back in 2004, when the plan was laid out for Conan to eventually succeed Leno, it was made clear, by Leno himself, that he wanted to step aside when his contract ran out, with Conan being his clear successor, so that the Tonight Show could avoid the turmoil that occurred between Leno and Letterman when Carson retired. Leno picked his path, and that path was to step aside gracefully and give Conan his chance in the sun. However, Leno didn't follow that path, pressuring NBC to figure a new path out or risk losing him to another network. Now that NBC's "new path" has been a complete failure, Leno's continued refusal to bow out gracefully, per the original plan, has put Conan in a very unfortunate situation, where it's easy to feel sympathy for Conan and antipathy for Leno.
Years before, Leno announced he was leaving the Tonight show. The word retirement was also used in the press. Much to our surprise, he didn't retire, he brought a similar version of The Tonight show to a prime time slot. Like me, many turned away after watching a few shows. It didn't work. It takes more time to settle into a new show and time slot, and NBC should of given Conan a little more time to build the ratings, perhaps Leno too with some format changes. NBC should keep Conan as the Tonight host, and let Leno go. Perhaps Fox or another network can hire Leno, who's lack of low ratings are the true reason for this NBC mess. Lets not forget how much of a sneek Leno was.during the Letterman/Leno fight for the Tonight show. Leno had actually hid in a closet at NBC to spy on the execs deciding on who would be the host after Carson retired. At least Carson kept his word and didn't seek his old job back. Lets keep Conan away from selling coffee and if Leno can't get work, he always has some old cars he can sleep in.
Conan's ratings are way down from the old Tonight Show with Leno. How many of ya'll pitching for Team Conan actually watch his show? It's called Show BUSINESS for a reason. Conan's just too goofy for the 11:30 slot.
Jay should do the honorable thing and step aside. He's going to destroy whatever reputation he has left by taking back the Tonight Show. I thought it was lame as hell when they announced he was having a prime time show at 10. It totally discredited the Tonight Show with Conan for me. It's like he was in the same position as before but worse. Get lost Jay. Your jokes are terrible and you already have enough money.
Jay is really not that funny, and as the years go by he has gotten less and less entertaining. The only thing the man has ever been able to successfully do in his life is take the creme of the crop late night talk show organization and structure that NBC gave to him after Johnny Carson was retired. The "Tonight Show" was never Jay's show, he's just the guy that NBC could cast in Johnny's role and do it without bumping into furniture. I think the last funny (unscripted by someone else) line that Jay Leno came up with was in 1991.
Conan had an incredibly hard job to do when he replaced David Letterman. Who do you think had the harder job? Jay who got everything that Johnny had going for him besides the band and Ed McMahon or Conan who had to create an entirely new late night package and was virtually an unknown?
I just don't think that six months was long enough. Everyone knew that Conan running up against Letterman was going to be at a disadvantage. Conan had been supported by a younger generation of fans, while most of Jay's fans were older and still fondly remembered the good old days with Johnny. I think that Conan would have eventually been accepted by this older crowd, when they realized that Jay was gone for good.
But he wasn't, and now Jay is back and Conan will forget about being the host of the Tonight Show and move on to another network. And the good thing is that this will probably spark Conan to try even harder to show that NBC made another major mistake, even while he has earned a new level of respect for the fans that decided to stick with him.
And then three or four years down the road NBC and all those loyal Jay Leno fans have to eat a incredibly pathetic Jimmy Fallon sandwich.
Jimmy couldn't get a laugh out of a crowded room filled with laughing gas. And even sadder is that he seems to get his jokes every time, even when millions don't. Here's a hint Jimmy Fallon, try using less cocaine before a show. What a schmuck.
I like both Conan and Leno but I can't believe Conan is getting screwed like this. I've lost all respect for Leno. I understand NBC has alot to blame for creating Leno's 10:00 show and now retracting it causing the current mess. But with the whole Letterman-Leno thing 17 years ago and now the Leno-Conan debacle, one tends to think there's a pattern here. Leno announced his "retirement" 6 years ago and promised an easy transition only to take an opportunity at a primetime spot as soon as he left. The fact that he is not shooting down an idea to move himself to 11:35 only reveals his lack of respect for Conan or The Tonight Show. Jay will get what he wants, his seat on the Tonight Show back when its all said and done, but I won't be a viewer that's for sure. Good luck to anyone who tries to take the reigns from him when he "retires" again.
Leno and Letterman have both taken the same direction of bashing mean spirited jokes which come off as petty and tiresome. Leave Conan alone, at least he's funny.
Leno should be put out to pasture.
I personally don't care for Conan O'Brien, he is simply not funny. I thought the show would fail from the get go. Jay Leno is much funnier than Conan.
With that said, has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe this whole thing is a concogtion to create ratings? Are you tuning in just to see what Conan & Leno are saying about NBC or each other? I'm not! I can read it on the internet the next day.
This is so disrespectful to Johnny Carson and the legacy he left behind, don't you think?!
Conan is the best ! NBC sucks, and so does Leno.
Leno would step down if he had an ounce of integrity and class.
Never liked Conan on The Tonight Show. I just don't think he was very good at hosting the show and always thought he was a little strange anyway. I watch Leno at 9, then the news, then I flip to Letterman at 10.
I was surprised that Leno immediately jumped into a new show after Tonight. I guess the guy still needs something to keep him occupied.
If he wanted the 11:35 slot he should have stayed with Tonight.
Jay Leno the Brett Favre of late night
The Tonight show was a pleasure to watch with Jay Leno who is way better in every way than Conan. I don't think Conan is funny – just a bit crazy. I'm for Team Jay
If Jay says jump, everyone says how hi! Team Conan forever!
All you Jay haters – First of all, Jay had the number one late night talk show. Second, he was forced out, not retired. Third, Conan's numbers suck almost as bad as Jay's new show.
So, put the blame where it belongs; the network.
im on TEAM COCO
is on team conan all the way, If Jay just backed out then there would be no reason to switch anything
Go Team Conan!
Honestly, am I the ONLY person who remembers the very public spectacle when Jay was put into the position of agreeing to the 5 year extension in 2004 where he was told that in 2009 the show was going to Conan? Am I the ONLY one who remembers how he joked with Kevin Eubanks about "Well I GUESS we're retiring in 2009?".
This has been one gigantic cluster from the folks at NBC:
First: They removed Jay instead of bringing both Jay and Conan in before the end of the contract and explaining that they would have rather kept Jay on board for a while to keep their ratings.
Second: They knew Jay didn't WANT to retire but they didn't want him to jump to another network, so they offer him a prime time slot to start two months after Conan takes over the Tonight Show, hoping they would be able to cut costs and keep viewers.
All they did was undermine Conan and prove that viewers would still watch Jay. Brings us to now and their third SNAFU: They didn't ask, they TOLD Conan that Jay was moving back to 11:35. Jay didn't ask for the switch, he was just unplugged and slated to move.
All of this "Leno" hate is absolutely misplaced because A) Leno never asked to retire, he was told he was going to retire in 2009 if he wanted his 2004 contract extension and B) Leno never "asked" for the 11:35 slot, NBC simply PUT HIM there, without so much as a word to Conan until after the fact.
Fact is, Leno's Tonight Show will likely be back. NBC simply cannot maintain all three and Conan's statement gave them an out, albeit an expensive one. Conan will be the one most affected by it, but he's playing his cards right to get a huge payout so he can go somewhere else.
As for myself, I will still continue to ignore the 11:35 slot and keep on being on Team Ferguson.
I can't believe that when this whole project started, no one considered the eventuality of Leno's new show failing. I never thought it would fly - but, did they never consider what they would do if the whole thing went down the tubes?
You Conan people are dumba$$e$.
Jay was number 1 in the Late Night time slot...yes beating the crap out of Letterman! NBC obviously looked into a bogus crystal ball 5 years down the road and thought that Jay's numbers would die (which they didn't) and that Conan was an up and comer and thought (Thought wrong) that we would be the man to pull the numbers! Again their crystal ball was really foggy because Conan has lost tons of viewers. Now they want Jay back in the slot to get that number 1 title and Conan doesn't want to give it up.
So please stop being ignorant. NBC execs wanted the cake and they wanted to eat it to, they were wrong about Conan and now they are toast!
If you don't think Conan is 100x funnier than Jay, or more unbelievably, if you don't think he's funny at all, then you need to have your head examined. Conan is a comedic genius, end of story. For him to not have a show at all is a HUGE shame. I feel like the only people who don't like Conan are 1) old people cause they don't get his references, 2) people with low IQ's 3) young kids cause they have no attention spans and think that low/no-brow "comedy" on YouTube is somehow more entertaining.
Conan is not funny at all. Don't blame Leno for the Tonight Shows ratings, they were low before Jay even went to prime time. Jay was basically forced into leaving the show so Conan would sign on at NBC, they promised Conan a show that he does not have the talent to carry. Then NBC realized that Conan would probably not get as big an audience as they thought & decided to bring Jay to prime time. Now they are doing the smart thing. Give Jay back the slot & watch the ratings climb AGAIN, let Conan go to anyone that will have him, which after seeing how he was most of the cause for the ratings disaster that the Tonight Show has now, I doubt he will get signed.Seriously, where were all of his viewers from his show, if they followed him, why are his ratings tanking. You cannot blame Leno for that.
GO TEAM CONAN!!!!!
I just, just wanna know one freality , Conan O’Brien vs Jay Leno, who owns the higher rating?
NBC may treat O'Brien unfair, just because they though O'brien not so important as Leno, That's simply.
NBC should know O'Brine's reaction even leaving before they made this decision. They just do not care!
So, O'Brine, go to FOX, beat Leno, prove yourself, prove NBCis wrong.
I think Conan and his hair should go over to Fox and hang out with Sarah Palin. They should make a good pair.
I am a big fan of Jay Leno. Alot more funny than Conan.
I have not watched the Tonite Show since the turn over. Conan is stupid and not very funny at all.
NBC needs to figure out where the Tonite Shows furture is going.
Either give it back to Jay or find some new blood.
I don't want to hear anything about 'ratings'. The rating system is so out-dated, that it just doesn't work anymore. Great shows have been axed over this out-dated rating system. I work in a large financial institution, there are 130+ people on my floor (my floor alone). I went around one day last month and asked if anyone was part of this 'Nielsen Family', and not one person on this floor is. I don't know about the other two floors, but this tells me that there are not a lot of these 'Nielsen Families' to begin with. In this day and age, we should not be relying on a select few to say whether or not a show is good. And what about DVR and Tivo? These viewers are not even counted most of the time. If you ask me, NBC, FOX and especially ABC are going down the toilet. TV is supposed to be about entertainement, not all about the money. As for the Conan/Leno thing: I'm on team Conan! Jay Leno had his time in the spotlight, now let Conan have a chance to do the same. Shame on you Jay Leno, for even thinking about letting NBC change a legendary show. Shame on you!
Who cares? I watch David since Carson retired.
Leno may have been #1 but other factors were at play. As with music, being #1 is not always about quality or best or funniest ....sometimes it's just about reaching the lowest common denominator "the masses". I would liken Leno's success more to a song like "You Light Up My Life" which was #1 and nobody now wants to hear or admit to buying when given the choice of superior material (in car talk = Pinto & Pacer & Taurus).
Carson is considered classic, such as "(Sittin' On the) Dock Of the Bay" or "RESPECT" , "Unforgetable" or even "Tonight Show Theme" . Steve Allen, Jack Parr are also considered classics (think T-bird, Corvette etc). Letterman's Top 10 is considered classic. I highly doubt, in time Leno will make the list considered classic – even by his fans. He's maybe, at best, passe & derivative like "Hammertime" or "Ice, Ice, Baby" (other #1's). I mean really folks, his best bits are reading things from newspapers (Carson & Letterman did it first) & Jaywalking – cruely asking stupid people questions, hardly original or "classic". With his primetime show he became an Escort who then delivered an Edsel!
I can still laugh harder remembering Carson (Jack Lalanne skit) or Letterman (how many easter bunnies can u get in an H &R Block store/Larry "Bud" Mellman etc) bits than watching anything I've seen on Jay Leno show.
Network television is already experiencing the effects like the music industry of what happens when the continued shoveling of mundane over quality backfires. If you wanted comedy/talk show after news and weren't a Letterman fan there wasn't much to choose from for a long time, but that has changed. Eventually, the public wakes up and realizes that sh#t tastes like sh#t no matter if you previously convinced me it was caviar. Leno & NBC are definately leaving a poor taste in our mouths.
If network execs don't wake up and come up with something original and worthy of watching the audiences will continued to errode and watch options on cable – which is kicking network primetime( they'll even buy it on dvd) and giving options for late night (even some classics). Or they will watch whatever they want, whenever they want on their computer, much like when the music industry thought they would get rid of singles and force people to spend more money buying cd's with one good song or adding songs after the fact, and having them buy the same cd twice and that would work. Well,...it didn't and there isn't much of a music industry presence anymore.
Leno back on the Tonight Show is like buying the same sh#tty cd a second time – some people ARE fooled that way. Leno is like Tang to the necessary nutrients found on Conan. Ignorant bliss vs. intellectual stimulation.....bad habits vs. exercise (of the brain)
Bottom line is this: ETHICS
The Tonight Show is (for now) Conan's. Leno should tell nbc he doesn't want to take the 11:35pm slot away from Conan because it's NOT his show any more. But Leno wants his old show back. He said so two months ago: "I would take back my old show if nbc offered it to me." Tacky, tacky and even cruel. I thought he was Conan's friend. A true friend wouldn't be gunning for his job.
And just one more thing: WHY is Leno ragging on nbc when he's getting exactly what he wants? Could it be so he can deflect some of the flack that's being aimed at him? You betcha!!
Conan is NOT funny. I don't care if NBC gives him 5 years to gain the audience that he is so desperately needed, he still can not pull it off. I will follow Jay even if he goes to PBS, which has many awsome programs, BTW.
Why go after Leno? Becasue none of this would have happened if he bowed-out gracefully as he agreed to do 4 years ago. He pushed to get his prime-time show, now he is pushing to get the late night slot back. If he were not talking to NBC about this, it wouldn't be happening.
Jay is way funnier than Conehead, period! Conehead belongs in a circus for oddities
NBC will not pay off Conan.
NBC is full of shitbags who are without class and ethics.
NBC will squirm out of the contract, NBC will sue Conan for lost revenue.
NBC has become the WB
Team Conan all the way! Jay Leno wasn't funny at 11:35 and sure isn't funny at 10:00. Why punish Conan for Jay's horrible show?
I Love Conan. The Reason Jay Didnt Get Good Ratings On Prime Time. Is Cause He Isn't Funny. >.<
Team Conan All The Way.
If retiring from a show then trying to wrangle your old show back isn't a "personal attack" I don't know what its. Jay isn't making as many Jokes as Conan because he's quickly becomming the most hated man in show business. What Kanye West did at the VMA's was nothign compared to what that talentless infantile pathetic hack is doing. Leno = No Class.
We are obviously at a fork in the road here. Leno took the Slawson cutoff when he left the Tonight Show and has now "cut of his Slawson" . Fred Turbow would be ashamed. Conan is the man. Conan, don't wimp out even though you are so meek.
Fellow Conan team member
Carson didn't want to retire. Carson built the show. NBC said he was too old and pushed him out. Enter Leno.
17 years later, NBC pushes Leno out – too old. Enter Conan.
Conan's given 6 months NBC pushes him out – too ?
Enter Chevy Chase
I love Jay Leno, don't find Conan funny at all. I think both should have half hour show with monologues only. The guests on either show are not entertaining.
They should dig up Carson and put his bones in the chair – that would be equally as entertaining as Leno.
Love Jay true gentleman. Conan not so much. Jay can bring the ratings back up and beat out Letterman.
The fact of the matter is Leno delivered better ratings with the Tonight Show than Conan. Unless NBC was prepared to tell the affiliates to suck it up they shouldn't have put Conan into that spot. They should have known it would take him time to find his audience. NBC has a problem in that it has two major comedy talents and it doesn't want to let go of either. They're also trying to placate their affiliates while doing what is profitable for the network. There is still a large audience watching network television that wants the next ER but will probably get another hack reality show. Managing change is a bitch isn't it?
Please............Conan the Caveman....Get a life!!!!!! Get rid of both of them, we need some fresh blood..... New ideas that appeal across all color lines....
Not only that, but if a network is tanking, and NBC most certainly is, why would you revert back to what was barely working rather than look forward to what could be?
I'm ranting – I just don't like the pussy-footing network. NBC is shameless, they promote the talk show at 10 and ignore the franchise that has been running for over 60 years – for what? Jay Walking? If they want Jay Walking, which is the only bit that leno is good at (unscripted), have Conan invite Jay onto his show with that bit. Or have Stern write the questions for people on the street – Leno has been ripping him off for years.
Leno never wanted to leave the Tonight show. This is all the doing of NBC suits who needed to please Conan or otherwise he would have left NBC for FOX in 2004.
The current problem is because they didn't significantly change the "Jay Leno Show" from "The Tonight Show". It is one less guest and no desk, but otherwise the same program. Now it comes down to who has better ratings Conan or Jay... the answer will be the host of "The Tonight Show".
Don't be too concerned for Conan.... as he will get the best end of this one. Not only will he end up signing a lucrative deal with FOX, but he's going to receive a huge settlement from NBC.
Jay Leno gave up the Tonight Show at it's 11:35 pm time slot to "retire". If his "new" show did not make the cut, he should bow out and leave the Tonight Show alone.
Chris is right, Leno was pushed out, and Leno didn't like it at all. NBC wants him to stay, and if they don't play their cards right, he will leave them and go somewhere else. Leno was ready to stay with "Tonight', but Conan forced NBC's hand and made Leno leave. Either way, I think one of them will have to go in the end, probably to Fox or something.
Jay that I am so happy that he is taking the high road by not personally attacking Conan O’Brien. Too bad that is not true with Conan. Personal attacks do not help or heal any situation.
Let's remember that Conan's rating was drooping like a stone. And, remember that Leno beat Letterman. No Letterman beats Conan. He needs to be replaced. If he had high ratings, NBC wouldn't need to have Leno come back. Many of you may like Conan, but there is clearly a lot more that don't. Conan is dillusional iof he thinks he is popular.
Conan is not funny. I have never understood why people think he is. His Late Night show stunk, and his Tonight Show stinks. Bring back Jay.
It's simple.. Leno wouldn't just step down like Carson did, when Conan was taking over. Instead, he wanted his OWN show for an hour. Leno failed miserably on his own, without having a silver platter show that Carson left for him. Now, Leno wants to show exactly how much "stroke" he really has just by claiming his old spot once again.. not caring who it effects. LAMO, as I like to call Leno, needs to realize that his time has passed and he really has nothing funny to offer, he is terrible at delivering jokes and the JAY-WALKING bit he does has little to no entertainment value at all. He's tried new things like 10 at 10.. and his lame track race.. both failures. Going back to 11:35 doesn't help Lamo, it's hurts everyone else.
I go Coco.
conan will never be able tocut it. put everything back as it was
The best thing NBC could do is let them both go, and hire a Canadian. We import all their funny people!!
Leno got screwed by NBC when they forced him out in order to appease Conan. He didn't leave The Tonite Show voluntarily. Now NBC is screwing Conan by shifting the time slot. I like Conan but I don't think he was ready to take over from Leno. NBC is to blame for this mess not Leno or Conan. The only winner is Letterman.
NBC could not have screwed things up any worse if they tried.
There doesn't appear to be any way out of this without somebody losing.
Conan is not a comedien. He was never a stand up comic. He is not funny in the least bit. If he is smart he will go to Fox where he will be in third place behind Lettermen and Jay Leno. All of you Conan supporters have no idea what real comedy is. Conan's comedy is juvenile. After watching him for a few shows I was convinced that he would not make it. And here we are sending him packing
TEAM CONAN ALL THE WAY! CONAN'S THE MAN! We all know Jay needs to quit being a jerk and drop this nonsence. If NBC screws Conan I will never watch their late nite line up again!!!! Go COCO
Jay is a drama queen, he made drama when he took over the Tonight show (over Letterman) and now he is again dragging his feet when giving up to Conan. Bow out gracefully Jay, quit when on top. Conan is awesome performer.
Everyone needs to remember, Jay Leno did not "retire" NBC pulled a mandatory retirement age out of the bag for him and pushed him aside. The push back from fans caused them to do the prime time gig for Leno. Why put Leno back to 1130 and push back/out Conan Obien? Becaus Conan Obiren lost 50% of the audience in his time with the Tonight Show. No one survives losing a market share of 50% whther you are peddling comedy or colas. I liked Jay at 1000 so I could watch him and then turn to CBS and watch Letterman. Conan should be thankful he has a job. Move your program back a half hour and hope that you can keep the audience that was watching Jay.
Jay Leno is a big baby and always has been. The behind the scenes wrangling he did to steal The Tonight Show from Dave (Johnny's choice as his successor) was disgusting. It may be the suits' final call, but mark my words, Jay's hand is in this too, because he is selfish.
Jay can take his big chin and unfunny jokes and go suck it.
leno is a chump... CONAN BABY CONAN
NBC should get a grip and let Leno go. Leno has sucked for a while now. His new show was borderline offensive when he tries to make fun of people who don't know answers to his ridiculous questions. He looks like he couldn't give a fuck about what he is doing, probably cause he knows how bad his material is. Leno had a nice run but lets face reality and move on. His ratings will suckass even if he gets his way. Conan was better on his last show but he is still better than Leno ever was.
Forget NBC or CBS for that matter....watch Chelsea Lately!
"You know ... something happened a long time ago in NBC. … They got together and swore a pact to the Devil," ....."They said, 'We will serve you if you get us free from the Letterman.' True story."....
In the past few months I have become a Conan fan. Leno goes through the motions, has undetectable punchlines, and doesn't really appear that he's working, just showing up for work and buying cars.
Speaking of which, who's idea was that horrible green car idea? That's the lamest bit i've seen on tv since Tony Danza had a talk show.
If you read "Late Shift" when Leno took over the Tonite show – leno hid/spied in an office adjacent to the execs who were picking between him and Letterman. Leno is a desperate man, and it is not out of the question that he would pull a fast one on Conan. Look at the advertising, leno was promoted in every show leading up to his pathetic premiere while Conan only got a few blurbs.
He's a sad sad man. Conan has taken this show and is putting some life in it – and not only that but Leno had the benefit of a year/year 1/2 until the Hugh Grant interview. NBC purposely only gave Conan a short run, now they're screwing the franchise.
No Carson was forced out just as Leno was, but he went off and left the show. Jay needs to show as much class as Johnny and leave it alone.
Show some class Jay, it's over.
Who's gonna watch a show that has been hijacked?
dont say anything bad about GE (government electric) or they'll put tina fey on 3 nights a week to make fun of you.
I was under the impression that Leno did not voluntarily leave the Tonight Show. NBC made the deal that he would have to leave and turn it over to Conan so that they were able to convince Conan not to go elsewhere. Is this not correct?
It isn't like Leno said he was retiring and then changed his mind.
Everyone will get what they want... Jay will get his old show back – which he never wanted to let go of. Jimmy will move up and get more exposure. NBC wants this because Conan isnt attempting to broaden his appeal (which is fine with me... I mean, I cant imagine Jay's demographic finding Triumph the Insult Dog talking about reverse cowgirl funny, though I do.) Meanwhile, Conan will go to FOX and get paid... A LOT.
People are going after Jay because he it's time for him to bow out gracefully. Instead he's willing to throw everyone under the bus so he can do a lousy half hour show. He had his chance when he was moved to 10 pm. He chose to do an incredibly unfunny, critically panned show where the only funny bits were showing funny things that they found on the internet. I mean seriously. NBC is as fault, no doubt, but Jay is just as much to blame.
Red heads need a chance at things too
Leno is over. He can't come back,. Why doesn't Leno go on after Fallon. Give the others a chance to shine. It's not all about Leno! If you want to bring someone back, bring Johnny Carson BACK!! Right, you can't!
Are you people even watching the same show? Conan O'Brien is HORRIBLE!!!! He's never been funny. It's just sad and stupid most of the time. I feel awkward watching the Tonight Show now, because of all the wierd moments. I don't think he should lose the spot because of them bringing back Jay though. That is wrong. He should lose it, because he sucks!
Stop this bickering back and forth. Just give them both the same time slot. Each could take alternating 10 minute segments between the 15 minute advertizment segments!!! END OF STORY!!!!
I know; I know....I have the wisdom of Solomon!!!!
Conan is an annoying, slapstick, and goof. Let him stay at 1230 when all the kids are still watching. I dont know what all you leno haters are doing at 1130 but your not watching Conan. His ratings suck! Way lower than Leno was in that same time slot. If his ratings were good he would stay right there at 1130. Its a business decision, period.
True true – if Leno was not interested in regurgitating his spot on tv, there would be no issue. So yes, he is to blame, mostly, and yes he is a sub-standard host. I still remember when it was announced that Leno was taking over for Johnny Carson. I was like, who? what? that guy? But, he's annoying and not funny at all... what? So yes, Leno is in fact, a no-talent ass-clown as everyone is saying. He always has been. He needs to go away. Permanently.
Seriously, who thinks Jimmy Fallon is funny. The guy sucks, is there even a moment in his dialogue that he makes anyone laugh. Conan Obrian, meh....hes ok but not entirely funny. The only thing Conan has going for him is his hair and his bobble head effect. Jay Leno is a comedian thats been doing this for a very long time. Jay Leno should either be placed back on the Tonight Show or get his own show at the level of Cable. Obviously Jay Leno was forced out of the tonight show, since he would go back on the show if they offered him the opening for the tonight show.
Team Conan... Leno is a jerk who doesn't know when to walk away.
I don't like Conan. Never have. I've given him plenty of changes. Every time I watch him, I always have to turn him off because I don't like his style of humor. Put him on some odd shopping channel at 3am as far as I care. I enjoy Leno's humor ever night.
Guess what.......Team Conan is here to stay no matter what network he's on. It will be too bad if he can't do the Tonight Show, but I certainly don't have any loyalties to NBC....For me, I watch Conan or I don't watch late night TV at all.
As Conan's viewers age, I'm sure his ratings will grow.......in your face, NBC.
Craig Ferguson last night with Richard Lewis was hilarious. Leno was funny when he was a guest on Letterman years ago, but when he got the tonight show, they turned him into Johnny Carson – stale an boring. Did they keep all of Carson's writers? Conan's goofy mannerisms aren't funny, but his jokes are funnier than Leno's. Dump them both and promote Fallon. He keeps getting better. I love the thank you note bit.
Leno should retire gracefully and accept that his show was canceled instead of accepting this proposal from NBC. He should have the integrity to say, "No I won't screw someone else over for my own personal gain."
Jay Leno is under contract NBC wont let him go... If he could he would but NBC does not want the comp.
"That guy Andy" wasn't cut, "That guy Andy" left because he wanted to make his own sitcom. Conan wanted him to stay. In the end it didn't pan out too well for Andy.
Conan is brilliantly funny. Leno tells the same kind of jokes my wacky uncle tells...bad ones. He may be funny to older people, but I think he's terrible and he needs to stop doing this.
Becuase Leno needs to retire! He already shifted his show to an earlier spot and now that its not working out, Conan is expected to move his show around. Leno just needs to retire and find something else to do, maybe a day time talk show. While yes, NBC are being jerks about the situation, Leno is being a stick in the mud at the same time. It would be nobel of him to retire.
Jay Leno needs to go! He's been posturing and maneuvering for more money ever since he announced his...so called retirement! Right now I have way more respect for Conan than Jay...and yes that makes Conan funnier AND deserving better than he's getting. After this NBC screw over...I won't be watching Leno anymore...whatever time slot he gets! I'm with Conan...yeah Team Conan!!!
Leno is a glorified Brett Favre, except Leno's botched retirement was far less succssful than Brett's. Conan is new, relevant and his interviews are engaging. Take away Jay Walking and the Hugh Grant interview and there is no Jay Leno. Go away Jay... just go away.
After reading more of these posts by rabid Conan fans, I am definitely going to watch Jay wherever he lands. I'll watch FOX if he goes there. I have tried to watch Conan, but he is just silly, not that entertaining.
I agree that Letterman lost his appeal when all of the sleaze stories came out. We know he is a comedian, but I can't stand his glee over this NBC problem and Tiger's indescretions. Hey Dave, most of us have not forgotten your poor taste over the Palin daughter remark
(a child!) and your own marital indescretions that have apparently always taken place. Get over yourself. Saw your Leno imitations and liked you even less. Get used to being #2 again!
Jeff Conan never cut Andy. Andy left to try to make a name on his own.
Directing it at Leno b/c he COULD graciously acknowledge his show flopped and go away. He could. Or he could be telling NBC he wants that slot and playing the leverage game. Why doesn't leno look for a late night gig at Fox or ABC? Why shuffle Conan? Seems to me like a lot of bending over for a guy who failed when moved to a time slot that was supposed to broaden his audience. Leno is boring. Why is NBC kissing his butt?
GO TEAM CONAN!!!! I hope Leno never gets another show again
2 ugly dorks fighting over a time slot..when neither write their own material.......wow why not have some hot model strutting and telling the jokes....takes same talent.
Leno didn't want to retire – and 5 years ago, didn't agree to retire in 2009 – NBC told him he was going to retire. He signed a 5 year contract to work the Tonight Show – he didn't sign a "turn the show over to Conan" contract! They just didn't renew it. Meanwhile, Conan fought to take Jay's show away from him, in contract negotiations – and got it.
And for that, Jay never said a cross word about Conan – in fact, he was very supportive. That doesn't mean it was voluntary. It does mean he was trying to "be the good soldier" and show class.
I like Conan, too, but but I don't like that he's attacking Jay now. It is classless and wrong, especially considering how this thing transpired.
Not as classless as Letterman, who is resorting to childish name-called ("Jay Big Jaw Leno"), which makes him look petty and small.
I do feel badly that Conan and his staff all uprooted to come to CA and now they are going through this – but maybe Fox will set up shot in CA for them when they start their 11:00 show there (see? 1/2 an hour earlier than the Tonight Show!).
I don't blame Conan, he negotiated for Jay's show and got it – but I do blame the NBC execs, who have once again stupidly screwed up late-night. Geez, you'd think they'd learn.
PS Jay was #1 still the day NBC took Tonight Show away from him.
I found myself watching both Leno and Conan last night, (TEAM CONAN!!!) and realized that all of this is a ploy to bump ratings, Nothing will change and it will all stay as was last minute. They just need more material to joke about!
Someone said it earlier- put Leno on AFTER Conan and the Tonight Show.
Sorry, Leno retired. He is being very selfish. He isn't as funny as Letterman or Conan.
NBC is really in the toilet. Their primetime is a joke and their late night is now.
Jeff – Conan never "cut" Andy. He left to pursue his acting career. They were always close friends. By the way, Andy is currently the announcer/sidekick on "Tonight". What never went around, never comes around.
Go Conan! Leno is dated and not very funny any more. Conan is cutting edge in his humor. His writing staff is better as well. Leno needs to be put to pasture.
It's not Conan's fault that Jay's show failed. NBC made a promise to Conan and are going back on it. Jay's had his time in the sun and now it's Conan's turn. Jay should bow out gracefully. I think if Jay went back to 11:35, his show wouldn't succeed either. It's just not that great. Have some pride Jay!
Leno's punchlines can be seen from outer space. He is the cultural equivalent of Olive Garden and Sarah Palin. Fire him NBC!
although i like leno, he is the cause of this! he was even quote a few weeks ago before all of this happened, saying that he would take his old job back!
nbc and leno are screwing conan, my boy!
i hope the late show tanks in ratings after this and nbc begs for conan to come back.
neither the exes or Leno is really pushing this. It's the local affiliates threatening to jump ship and air something else.
The deal that put the lame Conan into the tonight show was a deal struck by NBC shortly after Leno took over. That was made plain in his monologues as well as Lettermans. Letterman could not wait for NBCs decision to come to pass because as all can see he has gone to the top in the ratings.
Conans show had really low ratings at the later hour what on earth made NBC think he would be anybetter earlier?
Conan looks like a blond Rod Blagovich ( sp?) and like the former governor of Illinois he too just needs to fade into oblivion....
Never liked Conan...his humor just doesn't quite cut it for me. No one was whining when he cut that guy Andy from his show...what goes around, comes around.
jr I couln't have said it better myself. I too watch the Law and Order reruns instead!
Bring back southland
"Why go after Leno, he's not the guy in charge?" -Mary G.
Mary, Leno is the guy who announced his retirement six years ago and then, last year, after all the arrangements and planning had been made for his retirement, he decided he wasn't ready to retire. So he may not be in charge, but his reversal in his retirement was the first domino to fall that caused all this chaos and trouble.
No one expected Leno at 10 to be a huge hit. NBC thought it would get decent enough ratings to justify production costs (which it did) but NBC failed to consider that all the viewers Leno hemorrhaged wouldn't come back later for the local news and late night. They really didn't think their decision through.
So Leno changed his mind, NBC made a terrible decision based on that, and it's Conan & his family & his staff & their families & Conan's fans who are all getting shafted.
I remember thinking Leno was an idiot to announce his retirement so far in advance. No one has any idea how they'll feel five years later. It was a dumb move.
Mary, Leno is the source of all these problems.
I'm on team Conan. I agree with Conan that moving the show to 12:05 am is messing with history. I think it is time that the Fat Cat Leno should go home and count his money. Leno made his own bed, so please Jay just go away. You are out of touch and a big baby.
I find that the money thrown to these people is absurd. We know how bad the economy is and the ones who are working are doing so with no pay raises and bonuses, while the boss gets fatter. How much money do you need Jay ?
Not that I'm a Conan fan; I'm just not a Leno fan. it seems as though some folks just don't get the message that their term is over – Leno's time started expiring the minute he announced he was leaving! Sorta like Dick Cheney... he doesn't want to go quietly either...Jay and Dick need to go hunting together – somewhere far far away!
I had always considered Leno an honorable man but no more. I am not a Conan fan but what NBC is doing to him is appalling. Jay Leno should be ashamed. I will not watch Leno when he returns.
LENO chose to take this risk. Because of that decision by LENO, Conan turned down opportunities to jump ship years ago. I know it's Hollywood, but Leno is clearly a narcisist. Twenty years ago, Letterman helped make Jay famous by having him on his show and then stabbed him in the back by taking "Tonight". Leno should remove himself quietly and go do his 200 annual corporate gigs and tinker with his 1000 cars. Jay has always said he never needed the money from "Tonight", so he is causing all this nonsense to massage his chin-sized ego. By the way, Leno is generic and low-brow. Kimmel highlighted that wonderfully the other night.
Conan is NO Jay Leno! Jay should have never passed the baton to Conan. Conan may be able to write jokes put he can't deliver and looks like a dork on TV. Can't wait for JL to host the Tonight Show where he belongs. Go Jay!!!!
Jay resigned once which had a domino effect. It's is hard to right what has been done...particularly at the expense of Conan and his followers. Time to move on for Jay, you had a good run. I wouldn't come back in this fashion....nobody wins!
Haven't we learned from Brent and Rodgers?
Leno switches to new network.
Conan stays on NBC.
Conan all the way, no question.
I'm on TEAM COCO, baby!
Conan is 10 times better than Leno. Headlines was the only funny thing Leno had.
NBC should get rid of all three and get people who are intelligent and funny for a change.
A kindergartner could figure this one out. It would not be fair to let Jay cut into Conan's time, or Jimmy's for that matter. Go to the back of the line Jay.
don't get me wrong I like Jay he's very funny too but sometimes it's just gentlemanly to step aside and keep an agreement. at the very least
Give it up Leno, you are old news. The Tonight Show hasn't been entertaining since you took it from Carson. Why don't you go host a daytime game show like all of the other has-beens? Conan, you hold all the cards as this point. If you stay with NBC or go to another network, the fans will follow. Besides, you'd probably do better on a network that didn't rank behind all of the others. Way to drop the ball on this one NBC...
Team Conan all the way!!!
Well I must say that the Triumph the insult dog is one of the funniest things I have ever seen re... Star Wars and the French Canadian bit . However I do not think that either Leno or Conan does justice to the brilliance of Carson. The biggest thing is now I have a very good job and I have to be on the train at 730 am, therefore I can not watch these shows anymore. I think Jay should step down and move on like a man.
Folks – this is a set-up between Leon and NBC. I am certain that Leno went into his 10:00 show with a guarantee that if it didn't work they'd give him The Tonight Show back. Leno would have been foolish to move without a second position, and this was a way to test Conan. I like Conan,, but he didn;t deliver for NBC at 11:30,, just as Leno didn't at 10:00.. Now NBC, althought looking like fools – as they are – can have Conan quit instead of firing him by offering him the 12:05 which they would be fairly sure he wouldn't take. And if he quites they don;t have to give him as much money as if he was fired. Conan couldn't turn down The Tonight Show and when he took it the dye was cast.
you can give your money to the corporations, or to the Haitian people who really need it. I don't think Conan and Leno are worried where they are sleeping or eating tonight.......hmmmm???
I think that Conan deserves a chance. Jay did his time and wanted to move on to "greener pastures" Sometimes things aren't greener on the other side of the hill, huh, Jay? Go Team Conan!!!
He's not in charge, but it is his choice to not step down in light of recent events. I don't hate him, but don't understand why he isn't just gracefully moving on, he's had his time on The Tonight Show.
shouldnt we be looking at NBC as the reason all this is going on.... both of them are awesome... NBC should have thought this out back when they promised the program to Conan... leno went up in the ratings.. and now they didnt want to let him go... dont blame either one, blame NBC...
To us againg baby boomers ....we dont get Conan...who comes across just acting dumb trying to get a laugh.
In the few times I tried to watch him he acts like he's trying to hard to be funny.
I dont get Conan and never will .....the clear winner is going to be Dave and George.
I'll will watch Leno if he stays on....Dave to me is not that funny anymore either so I'll switch to George.
Leno was "retired" by the NBC Executives when they signed O'Brien to a 5-year deal that guaranteed him the Tonight Show. Leno had nothing to do with it and (from what I understand) was not consulted. So he did not quit then change his mind. And when time came for him to leave, the Tonight Show was #1, and hasn't been back since. Don't get me wrong, as I like O'Brien, but I like Leno as well. Both are where they are due to NBC not being very smart.
Leno is old news. When was the last time he said something funny? It is no surprise that Conan is lacking in ratings to Letterman, he had a bit of a scandal going on the last few months, obviously people were tuning in for that. Give Conan some time to find his legs. I've always been a Letterman fan and it has always been a no brainer as to who to watch, however, Conan makes me re-evaluate. At least he won't have a problem finding a home on a network that actually values his talent.
Funny how when NBC did not give Letterman the tonight show, Letterman had a hissy fit and blamed the network. Now that Jay and Conan are both getting jerked around, Letterman is dissing Leno. That jerk has a short memory.
And in case he has forgotten, he is a cheating pig who lost my viewership after only a smidgen of his arrogance became known. His little assistant there also lost any respect. That guy is a creep. And for him to dis Jay, known as one of the nicest guys in television, just shows what a lowlife he really is.
The entertainment world seems to be dominated by a certain element that feels entitled to more than they deserve. No, they are not better than another certain segment of the population. Cheatpig was paid more than Jay when Jay continued to kill him in the ratings. Unfortunately for Conan, Conan just doesn't hold Jay's audience's attention. So, what was the network supposed to do? Jay should go to fox and kill both of them in the ratings.
This crap that the tonight show's time slot is an institution that shouldn't be changed is ridiculous. Change with the times, dude. You could benefit in the end. What should change is the exorbitant number of a certain element that wants to run television and rake in more moolah than they deserve while behaving like amoral turds.
Read Bill Carter's "The Late Show" and Tom Shayles excellent column in the Washington Post on Tuesday.
Leno's in charge.
I'm joining TEAM CONAN ... he's the whitest guy I know ... and I love him for that ...
None of this would have happened had O'Brien, during his last contract negotiations, not pulled a power play and demanded that NBC fire the top-rated nighttime host so he could eventually take over the Tonight Show. Now, when he takes over and drops the show from first to third place in the ratings (remember, this was even before Leno's 10 P.M. show began), and has proven to be a failure, he wants us to believe he's some sort of martyr to "principle," when his only principle is "fire everyone else so I can have what I want.."
Conan is an un-funny hack, and the sooner he's out of NBC, the better.
Leno is the one you have to go after, he is the one pulling the strings. I've lost respect for Leno. Okay you wanted to do something different and it didn't work out, move on, you gave up your position on the Tonight Show. Like most TV execs they have no clue what the public wants. Leno on primetime 5 nights a week, gimme a break!
Leno is one selfish pig.......he's had his day in the sun,go off with class into the sunset and let Conan have his time to shine!!
I watched Leno on the Tonight Show only when there was nothing else on TV. Conan brings a bit of irreverence and updated humor back to an institution built by Johnny Carson. I was a loyal watcher of Carson and a loyal wathcer of Conan. If the NBC execs want to lose a franchise then so be it. I've watched more of the Tonight show in the last seven months than Leno's 17 years. Their expensive gamble of having Leno replace prime time drama shows how desperate NBC is to regain its once mighty place of relevance. Remove Conan…so be it…but count another household who will turn off NBC except for the NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams and sports. Perhaps its time for the dinosaur model of television networks to disappear. But no matter what…I'll watch Conan. Sorry Jay but maybe it's time to ride off into the sunset on one of your motorcycles and just say goodnight!
Ya know, this is really NBC's fault. Leno can't like this very much either. These seem to be two funny men with mutual respect for each other. I don't really think this warrants a Team Conan, Team Jay mentality. I mean really, it's not like this is Adam or Kris, Clay or Ruben, or Becky 1 and Becky 2 (you know Roseanne). Hopefully NBC will do what's best for the fans!
The winner in this whole mess is .....DAVID LETTERMAN...he is having a great time with all of NBC's knee jerking choices...You go David...YOU RULE!!!!!
This should be a business decision – period. Who brings more money to NBC, Jay Leno or Conan O'Brien? My assumption is there are enough quantifiable facts to show that Jay Leno will bring in more money to NBC. Easy decision.
Personally, I think Jay Leno is an incredible comedian and decent human being. I do not like Conan O'Brien's humor. That's why I stopped watch the Tonight Show when Conan took over.
Whoa-–as a former NBC employee --I have to tell you all that Jay was pushed out by Conan who wanted that earlier slot. He threatened to leave NBC, so to satisfy his push, Jay was eased out despite being #1 in his time slot. He wanted to stay on the Tonight show – not leave. Jay was seen as older and NBC wanted a younger hip audience. Well, Conan cannot carry that time slot and viewers jumped to Letterman. If Conan cannot keep the ratings, the show should go to one who can – Leno. Conan might be a better fit at FOX. Hope he tries it. I would love the choice between all 3 of them.
We cry over spill eggs. They have dollars and decides whoever they want. Leno admitted to have his jay walking show, let deal with it leave poor Conan alone. We love him. After him we are out. Tonight show is not a property of Jay Leno. If he wants it back, let him have plastic surgery on his chin.
It's not about Jay or Connan!
It's about ratings, money and the local newscasts. As much as I don't like Connan and his humour, it's wrong for the execs. to oust him and revert back. Jay gave it up (to bad so sad), but let's also be clear as to where the power really lies- and that's with Jay.
Unfortunately, after all these years, the Tonight Show is now going to leave a lasting bad taste after this debaucle, and this is what will be remembered, not the Johnny Carson legacy. Jay should have bowed out gracefully.
Did it ever occur to NBC that Jay's successful ratings w/Tonight Show were in part (mostly) due to the other successful franchise they screwed over – Law & Order? It ran for 10+ years(of Jay's 17) on more than one night of the week as Jay's lead in. There was also, I believe ER and their once upon- it seems forever ago- "must see TV" schedule. I rarely find anything besides Law & Order worth watching on NBC these days when previously it was the only station I watched. In fact, I've taken to watching reruns of Law & Order (on other channels) rather than Leno in prime time. No matter when he comes on, the second I hear his voice, I can't get to the remote soon enough!
He's not funny when he tells his jokes and -even he- knows this, because then has to re-explain his jokes over & over as if they are funnier the 2nd & 3rd delivery. Of course, that may be necessary for his "Jaywalking" level audience to have humor helpfully pointed out for them.
First, they screwed over Letterman (whom I"ve continued watching on CBS) and even screwed him out of using favorite bits saying they owned it (remember throwing things out the window, Harold "Bud" Mellman-RIP, etc). In fact, Leno has made liberal use of former Letterman gags on his Tonight Show(although, not funny in his hands).
They screwed Conan over once already just by putting Leno on in primetime and apparently their contractual obligations are meaningless. They should at least give Conan the opportunity to follow a successful lead-in before making changes, and yes, it is ridiculous to tamper w/the Tonight Show scheduling. When not watching Letterman, I've quite enjoyed Conan's show. He's capable of great interviews without reverting to talking about himself as Leno mostly does.
It just goes to show how clueless their current execs are w/importance of scheduling & substance of programming. It's hard to watch your favorite if it changes nights every couple weeks without notice. Their only ratings show is the Office (which, I don't watch)....so then they thought we wanted some "cookie cutters" just like it – boo. Ironically, the only shows they have had any success with are more in line w/ Conan's style of humor than Leno's (hmm?).
Leno should show some class for a change and keep his word & retire from late night ...or at least, have courtesy and go on after Conan rather than mess with legacy/time slot of the show.
The NBC execs that have caused this debacle should be fired. The screw overs they have caused w/ Law & Order casts and contractual obligations & funds they will now have to pay could have bought them an entirely new schedule of programming instead.
If Leno goes back to Tonight Show, I will not only cease watching NBC but I will cease supporting their sponsors.
Leno, retired and then un-retired. Talk about your flip-flop. They guy needs to go. NBC needs to hear tha tthe demographic they are after are not watching LENO. They are watching Conan, Stewart and Colbert!
I am a Leno fan. Maybe it is my age, but I prefer the depth of
Leno's character. I do not watch Conan; he is to silly for me. But I
can understand that there are different tastes, and one
host does not fit all.
@ Mary G and other Leno fans...You go after Leno because he's had his time, he left the tonight show for an earlier venture...it failed. His CHOICE is to retire or be an ass___ for NBC. He's choosing to be an ass___ for NBC. Conan too has a choice...let NBC move a staple of television to a time when it's no longer "tonight" and also steal from Jimmy Fallon what he worked hard to earn or be a class act and step aside. Conan made the comment that it's not only not fair to him but it's not fair to jimmy to bump everything back so that the UN-funny Leno can continue on in his old time slot that he GAVE UP! That's why everyone should be upset with Leno. Conan= class; Leno= ass!
Leno screwed over Letterman and he's doing the same to Conan.
Conan's jokes were funny in the later spot when he could be more raw. He has lost several of his characters, that he can't use in the earlier time spot. (Masturbating bear for one.)
Others on here have said it. The Network screwed themselves when they had Leno sign the contract that he would leave and give the spot to Conan.
Put Leno Back where he was, or let him go to another network, or Let Conan go to another.
Leno was beating them all, he still can.
I miss Johnny Carson. This really was his show, espcially after NBC figured out that Jack Paar just wasn't that funny at night. Johnny was on for something like 30 years and the build up for Jay was amazing...all with Johnny's blessing. Johnny would have rolled over in his grave to see an amateur of likes of Conan O'B. put in that slot. This thing was six (6) years in the making, but not because Leno wanted it. If anyone remembers their tonight show history, it was because Jay was appealing to an audience that was too old. NBC wanted Conan for the younger crowd. Well, it didn't work. Ratings are down. Advertisers aren't getting as big a bang for their buck as they did with Leno and they want a mature (translation: financially secure) audience to buy their products.
Now – the other matter - this is all about Poker After Dark and its lead-in. Leno is a favorite amongst old, wealthy poker players!!!!!
Leno time for you to retire. you're not being funny anymore. Conan is more classy and educated than you are.
NBC you are very good at messing up everyones schedule. You experiment on everything and if it fails you messed everybody up. No wonder you are now the third rate station. Don't like your programs anyway. We watch Fox. Fire those executives and program planners.
K Brown: I totally agree with you. That's what I came here to say. Leno has known for 6 years that he was going to relinquish his throne to Conan. Then, at the last minute, NBC or Leno, decided he didn't want to go. Now that his Leno show hasn't worked out, he's bullying his way back to the Tonight Show. If he's really the gentlemen he says he is, then he should bow out gracefully and say hey guys, this didn't work out. Maybe I'll try something else later, but I'm not going to blow up the Tonight Show.
So yeah....to hell with Leno!
It's seems that Leno is looking to hold onto late night at all cost. Its time to let Conan have the Tonight show in the current time slot. The Leno expirement was only meant to be temporary anyways. Given that he's the one draining the ratings; he should bow out. Let's say they move Leno back to the tonight show; that still does not solve the problem that NBC has to fillin 5 seperate hour-long shows. Medium and Southland have already been sold to other networks.
I'll follow Conan to the gates of hell... Screw you NBC.
Leno is never and was never funny. He should have never got the Job when Carson left. It should have gone to Letterman. He looks goofy and sounds goofy. He's a joke (pun intended)
I'm not a big fan of Conan–but is certainly taking the fall on this one and its just not right. Leno's "project" didn't turn out well and now he wants to go jumping back to where he was and now thats its been handed to someone else. Maybe Leno can turn his fancy car hobby into a fulltime something or another but leave late-night alone and go home with your tail between your legs!
I say get rid of Jay and Conan and give The Tonight Show to Jimmy Fallon
NBC made a decision years ago to make Conan O'Brien host of The Tonight Show in 2009 and a contract was signed by the parties. At the time, NBC indicated it was trying to avoid another Letterman/Leno fiasco that developed when Johnny Carson stepped down as host of The Tonight Show. Jay Leno had essentially no say in NBC's decision appointing Conan as his successor, so those who advocate Leno agreed to and supported (other than for PR purposes as a good company man) it are wrong.
Jerry Seinfeld's response was spot on when he was asked about the ratings problems The Tonight Show has been enduring since Conan became host (paraphrasing), "once they give you the cameras, it's up to you to bring in the viewers." Thus far, Conan's tenure as host of The Tonight Show has been disappointing in that regard and apparently he is not meeting the expectations of his bosses. That said, seven months isn't anywhere near enough time for Conan to prove he is the right/wrong host for The Tonight Show. Heck, even the newly-hired AD at Michigan is allowing Rich Rodriguez to remain head football coach at UM for a third season after 2 dismal years (8-16, NCAA investigation), and Rodriguez' tenure has been decidedly worse than Conan's.
In addition, NBC should not have allowed the former host of The Tonight Show to be in a position where he could adversely affect the ratings of his former show. That's just dumb. Move Leno to 8pm or 12:35am (eastern). Jay also needs to step up to the plate and tell NBC he's not going to move The Jay Leno Show to 11:35pm (eastern). That time slot belongs to The Tonight Show. What is NBC going to do, not pay Jay? Jay's contract probably calls for him to be paid if The Jay Leno Show is cancelled. Remember, he had significant leverage at the time of negotiating the contract to remain at NBC for what would become The Jay Leno Show. NBC didn't want to risk losing him to ABC / FOX and competing against The Tonight Show. In all likelihood, if Jay doesn't agree to the time slot change, NBC will probably have to pay him. And then he might be free to go to another network. Not being the host of The Tonight Show has worked out pretty well for Letterman.
Conan has a contract. Even if he decides to leave NBC will have to break the bank to buy him out. I like Jay and Conan. I hope Conan does get a good offer from Fox and takes it along with his younger demographic. He'll sure as heck give Dave and Jay a run for their money. Never cared for Fallon. Even on SNL he wasn't funny as far as I'm concerned.
Why the ill will towards Leno? Well, Leno's not really expressed being against taking Conan's spot at 11:30. That tells me he's cool with screwing Conan over.
Conan is horrible, he isn't funny, and he should have NEVER made it this far in the business. The man is a tool. Leno isn't the greatest, but he is far better than Conan on his very best day.
What do you mean, why go after Leno?? He planned his retirement years in advance, just like Carson did. Then, when it was time to retire, he decided & NBC moved him to a new time slot. It's not working out, so he's deciding to "un-retire" and go back to his old time slot. It's not all higher ups making this decision – Leno is in there campaigning for his old time slot back too. Maybe HE should be the one to go on AFTER CONAN! You know, since he's already retired and all.
The only thing funny about Conan is his attempt at humor. Bring back someone who can do the job.
Conan was nothing but lucky to have even made it this far.
I think Jay and Conan should both retire and that Craig Ferguson should be the host of The Tonight Show. He is 10 times funnier than those two guys put together. Craig is more in the vein of Johnny Carson, who also would do anything for a laugh.
I like Letterman better anyway!
the song "Pants on the ground" is so much funnier than Conan. Watch American Idol last night on Youtube. Go Pants on the Ground!!!
This whole thing spells the end for NBC.
Hunter S. Thompson said it best, "The TV business is a cruel and shallow money trench;a long plastic highway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs."
No one will win this.
Right about why we are blaming Leno, maybe he isn't the one to blame. But then again do we work at NBC? do we really know what goes on behind the cameras? I'm just thinking if Kimmel, Letterman, and conan himself have been hinting jokes at Leno, maybe he is the problem.. eh? Maybe hes always been the problem.
Blame Jay or NBC for the shenanigans, doesn't matter. This whole topic would be moot if the prime time Leno show were any good. But it's awful. Almost embarrassingly painful to watch. So unoriginal and patently unfunny.
The failure of the ten o'clock time slot is killing NBC. They are losing viewers in their biggest-dollar (in terms of advertising) time slot. That creates a weak lead-in for local news, which creates a weak lead-in for Conan's show. And the kicker is that Leno's poor performance is even hurting The Today Show – many people turn their TV on in the morning and leave it on whatever channel they were watching when they turned it off the night before.
So as we play the blame game, remember that if Leno were producing a quality product we would in all likelihood not be having this discussion.
The reason Conan got the Tonight Show gig when he did was several years ago when his contract for the Late Show was up for renewal he was talking with Fox to put on a show there at 11. NBC didn't want to lose him or have him starting 35 minutes before Jay. Conan said he'd stay only if he could be guaranteed the Tonight Show in the near future. NBC then went to Jay and Jay was basically forced into announcing his retirement in 5 years. When the 5 years was up, Jay wasn't ready to stop working and again to keep Jay and not let another network get him, NBC gave him the 10 show. NBC was happy with the numbers Jay had at 10, but the affiliates weren't. So now both Jay and Conan are being screwed by NBC because they don't want them becoming the competition on another network. But to say Jay is being selfish is too easy. It started with Conan being selfish back when he renewed the Late Show six years ago. So it's a little of everyone's fault.
"Funny" is a very personal thing. You either find someone or something funny or you don't. I do not find Jay Leno funny. I find Conan O'Brien hilarious. If you find Jay funny, great. Good for you. If you don't think Conan is funny, that is fine, too. But please DO NOT state as FACT that Jay IS funny and Conan is NOT (or vice versa) just because that is the way you feel. People need to stop taking it personally when their opinion on something/someone happens to differ with others.
Go COCO Go!!!
Ok people....you guys are forgetting that Conan ratings are half of what Leno was...so he isn't doing his part either.
Remember, when The Tonight Show was hosted by Jay in the Nineties (when NBC was #1), it followed lineups of shows like ER, Cheers and other hits. Conan on the other hand has been forced to follow Jay who is in last place in the ratings and the local news programs on NBC that are also in last place. When NBC regains its lineup, the numbers for The Tonight Show will improve for whomever is the host.
We solved this dilemna years ago...we watch Nightline!
Neither Jay Leno's show or The Tonight Show with Conan is available for viewing on the NBC site today!!! I watch the previous night's show of Conan every day! What's up with that?
Abandon the late night shows... come join the Colbert Nation!!!
I had never liked Jay. I used to watch Letterman, then switched to Conan because he is not nasty to the guests on the show, and with some freshness. I am team Conan.
Leno is a hack. Half of his material is ripped off from other comedians. Just listen to Stern and you'll hear half of Jay's material for the night.
Leno is Jealous that he will never be as funny and smart as Conan.
No one seems to think Letterman's sex scandal had anything to do with his beating Conan in recent month's? I'd bet anything Conan's numbers are going to see a big bump after this... Nothing is better for ratings than scandal.
And yes, it is fair to point out that Conan stated he wanted the Tonight Show or he would leave. It is not fair to omit that he waited patiently for six years to get it, and it is not fair to pretend he didn't have other options at the time and could have left the, NBC wanted to keep him, and Leno agreed to the terms. So ya Conan went after the show, but he did it the honorable and right way, and he kept his word.
To defend Leno on the above grounds that 'Conan did it too' is ridiculous. Leno is simply flexing his dubious clout at the Network, breaking his promises and doing whatever is best for him. Most people see this for what it is... egotistical selfishness. It's not about the money obviously he is beyond filthy rich, it's just ego.
Get over yourself Jay, I never liked you as a host or comedian, but you at least seemed like a somewhat ok person. Now you don't even have that. Good luck to you sir, I'm pretty you will notice all the bridges you set on fire soon enough.
All Team Conan here! Dance with the one you brought, NBC – it's Conan's time slot and his show!
Jay, you gave up the Tonight Show, do the honorable thing and step aside. You had your run and Conan earned it. Please, see the writing on the wall...time to go.
I don't watch either of them. I watch Craig Ferguson – now HE is funny.
How is this Leno's fault? He never WANTED to leave the Tonight Show. He was forced out by this no talent clown. The carrot he was offered was a show that competed with the high ratings dramas...You know...The shows people watch BEFORE the Tonight Show...It was a dismal failure (go figure)...Was he supposed to just give up being who he is so this clown could keep his show? Jay was #1 to David for years. Conan caused an immediate reversal to YEARS of success...So please Conan...There's noplace better for you than behind the counter of a Starbucks. You can be that barista that thinks he's funny but all of the customers think he's a tool.
To all involved, you made your bed, now go to sleep!
Let's be realistic!! It's all Leno. He failed at that slot and now wants his job back! If he didn't, NBC would leave things as they are! Retire Leno and give the new guy (Conan) a chance! Remember, Leno bombed when he first took over the Tonight Show!!! Did everyone forget?
Just like Conan said he won't force Jimmy Fallon to move to a later spot and therefore destroy his program, Leno has that same power. He could refuse to hurt Conan's program. D*ck move by Leno if he allows Conan to be bumped.
Conan is NOT the reason the show tanked – make an informed statement! Conan is unfairly getting the shaft – he shouldn't have to suffer based on NBC's poor decision making. Jay Leno knew SIX years ago that he would be turning the Tonight Show over to Conan and had plenty of time to prepare – and this is the best he could do? Team Conan!
The one thing bigger than Leno's chin...his EGO.
Leno should retire.....Give the younger ones a chance.
Cannot wait for Jay Leno to return to the Tonight Show. Conan sucks.
Conan is a hack, he isn't funny. And he should do some stupid stunt, crack his head open, and go away for a long time. Jay is da BOMB!
And I agree that it was the NBC heads who didnt have the balls to either completly go with Conan, or say " Leno is #1, we cant let him go" and let Conan go somewhere else. They tried to keep both and it failed miserably. Now it will cost them Millions to Conan.
Conan is getting a lot of support here. Great... I like him too. But support here doesn't help him much, he needs support in the form of viewers. Watch the show!
Stine, Leno is not a funny guy, either, and hasn't been since he used to do stand-up on Letterman's NBC show. The funniest guy on late-night these days is Jon Stewart.
NBC execs are handling this based on numbers. Leno pulls a larger audience than O'Brien. In the 10 pm spot Leno is averaging about the same viewership that he did when he had the Tonight Show (although this number is a big loss for the time slot). O'Brien is now pulling in roughly half of what Leno pulled in the 11:35pm time slot. NBC is trying to get the viewership numbers back up and in doing so have created a total mess. Of course these are only the numbers today and are not necessarily what the numbers would look like down the line. Bottom line losers and winners: Loser #1, NBC execs-really screwed this up big time and no way to win. Loser #2 Leno-gets tarnished Tonight Show back but looks bad in process. Winner #1, O'Brien-gets to walk away on premise of protecting the franchise and all the publicty that goes with it. Winner #2, David Letterman-he's number 1 in his time slot now and now has a whole new slew of NBC jokes at his disposal.
I'm with team Conan! Leno had his shot and retired. Just because his early show flopped is no cause to bump Conan. And don't be naive if you think Leno didn't have lots to do with NBC's decisions. Jeez, that guys' ego needs it's own area code.
Conan is not the reason... LENO is the reason.... Conan is handicapped by a terrible lead in... LENO ... When Leno was there he had shows like ER and Law & Order (pick one) as lead ins. Plus, his ratings werent too good for the first 2 YEARS, not until the Hugh Grant episode. Leno is a hack, robot, and just not funny any more.... Give Conan the show for 2 years with the same lead ins Leno had, then you can compare them!!!!
Conan's comedy acts are so childish that is why adult people are not watching his show.
All of these supporters for Conan yet Conan has consistently come in
behind Letterman in the ratings. Where were all of you supporters these
past 7 months?? Conan was falling behind even in the 12:30 slot..A lot
of these supporters like Conan BUT do not tune into his program or
the ratings would not be so low.
I with COCO!
Jay is turning in to the Brett Favre of 2010!
C'mon man!! Jay Leno's show is a ratings disaster! When Jay's new show started to AIR, it lowered Conan's ratings and took a chunk of the Tonight Show audience. That is FACT. RATINGS FACTS.
Jay Leno should not have agreed to retire in 2009 if he is going to try to get on 11:35 again. What is the point of that? And Jay's shctick is tired, and younger audiences can relate more to Conan.
That being said, I hope Conan goes to another network and brings back his edge and balls that were cut by switching to 11:35
I'm back, sorry....I was thinking about the Letterman show. I think Letterman is making a mistake using Paul Schaeffer as a sound board. Paul echoes must of his comments with a flat and "nose rubbing" tone that is well.....dumb. It annoys me enough that if I hear him one more time, I flip the channel. These little things have a way to irritate viewers who will move on and stop watching shows. I think they try to imitate Johnny Carson and Ed who did that but it was tolerated then and expected. The scenario with Letterman and Paul is not a plus in my opinion. It lowers the quality of Letterman's comments.
"Stop knocking Jay. . . have some class." ?!?! Leno is the useless piece of pathetic trash that has no class. If he had any class he would have retired gracefully. He is useless pathetic unfunny trash. Leno is completely stale and on top of that he can't even read cue cards anymore. They could have replaced him with Carrot Top and it would have been a step up! Jay is making Kanye West look like Nelson Mandela. Time to kick the trash to the curb and let him play with his toy cars. And the NBC execs are even worse, but you expect it from those fools.
If Leno had any class, he would tell NBC to shove it and refuse to do any kind of show on NBC at 11:35 p.m. That would be the end of the story, and people would be behind him just as much as they are now behind Conan.
For that matter, if Leno didn't like the terms of his 2004 contract (i.e., transferring hosting of the Tonight Show to Conan), he shouldn't have signed it. Once he signed it, both he and NBC are obligated to uphold it – both in letter and in spirit. It simply doesn't matter 5 years later whether he was "ready" or "wanted" to retire – he agreed to give up that show, and he is obligated to do so. This is why we have contracts – to avoid exactly this kind of free-for-all.
NBC is comprised of a bunch of idiots – pretending that they never guaranteed Conan a time slot is really disingenuous, given that the Tonight Show has been in the same time slot for 60 years. It's like promising Conan a role on Grey's Anatomy, only saying it will now be a reality show and not a scripted drama (if that show was on NBC, it wouldn't surprise me at all!).
Most of all, I think NBC's maneuvers here offend Americans' sense of fair play; their antics certainly offend mine. We expect contracts to say what they mean and mean what they say, with no sneaky "rules lawyering" by the party with the power (in this case, NBC). And yes, I am a lawyer! But that doesn't mean I condone sneakiness (which is why I dislike most lawyers...).
Man up, NBC. Honor your obligations to Conan, and if Leno's ratings are so bad, cancel his show.
i wish that Leno would just go away. i like Conan better and i hope that he finds something that will be fullfilling
I think Jay has a contract with NBC allowing him to have say in what he does.
Go Team Conan, Leno's has no talent anymore. Give Leno a show on the weather channel. He could be the guy that's reporting from the snow storm. "Sorry Weather channel someones got to take him"
Jay Leno is a straight up guy ! There is no way that he would backstab another comedian. He has never forgotten his struggles as a young comedian; and is always giving new and upcoming comedians a spot on his show. To this day he still performs in clubs, etc. I have seen him in person and he is the best! Business is business, and to blame Leno for what the NBC execs are doing is absurd. I think that Conan has sunk to a new low to be criticizing Leno on his show. It is every man for himself at this rate. As for Letterman, they should take that bitter, not funny person off of the air. His dark side is really showing!
Leno stated when is new showd aired that "if it does not work he had a great run and he would qui"t. He needs to stand by his words and bow out and let conan and jimmy do their thing.
no one seems to understand that Leno didn't want to give up the Tonight Show at all. The execs started the push 4 years prior to the actual turnover because NBC didn't want Conan to jump to a different network. Yes, Leno's show flopped in its time slot but Conan's numbers were about 50% of those that Leno had while he hosted The Tonight Show. Conan's stuff works better in the later time slot and Leno belongs back where he was. It is all about money.
Because Leno should take the high road and resign. His ship has sailed at 11:35 and since he flopped at 10 it's time to have some dignity and leave without interrupting other people's opportunities. Conan is taking the high road by choosing not to participate in a bad decision. Jay should do the same.
Why go after Leno? Are you guys that dense? Number 1 – Leno quit the tonight show, he had his time and moved on to something else. He can't now screw over 3 hosts shows/jobs because NBC (and he) wants to change his time slot. If he had class, he should bow out gracefully. Number 2 – Leno is in bed with the execs...this is like the old boys club and they are hooking their boy Leno up. I am sure part of this is his idea actually as well. Number 3 – This is just a carefully orchestrated plan to just put Leno back in the tonight show. They know Conan will walk, they won't have to pay him for his contract and then Leno will be back in. Think people, think!
In the midst of the Haiti disaster, does any of this really matter? It's almost as if we're all so self-absorbed we can't find anything important other than to ask whether Leno or OBrien has some "right" to a program spot.
Here's my suggestion: pull them both off, end the Tonight Show. Let them both go to other networks and compete in some reformed way. The monologues, jokes, music are passe in the existing format anyway.
I wonder what the future will look like with this sort of nonsense. We'll have war, disaster, global warming, etc. Each night, after ignoring the news that we barely made it through another day, we'll look at the computer or television (what's left of it) and flip to a comedian to keep up our spirits. Do we need Leno or OBrien or even NBC? Hardly. All we need is a good TV or computer directory and a list of decent wit.
NBC doesn't care about "legacy" or "tradition", and neither should you. It's just a TV show. It's about ratings and money, just like everything else.
Wait, wait, wait...
Wasn't Conan the one who, years ago, told NBC that he wanted the Tonight Show when his contract came up for renegotiation, or else he would walk away from NBC...? Wasn't Leno originally pushed aside by NBC and Conan O'Brien so that Conan could assume the throne? Wasn't Jay Leno given his primetime gig as a consolation prize while he maintained some class and didn't raise a big stink about it? Wasn't Leno the loyal one when so many people told him to jump ship to a different network because NBC had royally screwed him?
So, both Conan and Leno are hemorrhaging viewers, NBC decides it has screwed up in an epic way, and somehow Leno is the bad guy? Really?
Of course the hosts at the other networks support Conan - they're kicking his ass in the ratings!
Let's stop the Leno bashing! Jay is the best in late night show business and proved with his rating for 5 years till NBC screwed up the timings last year. It's a pity that Jay and Conan are are being held accountable when some heads should roll at NBC.
People are going after Leno because if he had any decency, he'd tell NBC that he won't go back to 11:35pm and give Conan the shaft in the process.
I wonder how Jay would have felt back in '92 if Johnny had suddenly said "You know what, I want my old job back"? My niece worked for Conan for years and he is genuinely a very nice guy. She met a lot of people in that business that were not, but he was the real deal. Jay's ok, but Conan is funnier. Go Conan!
It's called money.......
If Conan had proven he could succeed in the 11:30 slot, this would be a non-issue. Leno would have been canceled, and allowed to go elsewhere. The key issue here is that Conan's ratings are horrible, he's well behind Letterman, while Leno was ahead of Letterman for most of his time at NBC. I say let Conan walk, and let one of NBC's competitors overpay for the privilege of finishing third place in the late-night ratings.
It's easy to forget that it's not just Conan, but his staff and all their families as well who were stabbed in the back. All these people spent the past 5-6 years of their lives preparing to uproot their families and leave their friends and history in NY for love (and the promise) of the Tonight Show...
To go through the personal stress of the move, and the impact of that on anyone no matter what their career, added to now dealing with the very underhanded way NBC and Leno are handling all this is pretty disgusting.
Team Conan, 200%. Don't worry you big red goof, I'm pretty sure that both myself and anyone else under 40 will follow you wherever you go. Leno is about as funny as crime scene photos to anyone younger than that.
I don't think Leno or conan is funny. They are just a waste of good air time in my opinion.
I think that previous posters have hit the nail on the head. Connan has shown grace by saying he won't take down the legacy of "the Tonight Show" by agreeing to move it later. As much respect as I have for Jay Leno, it would have been nice to see him come out with a similar statement saying that rather than moving back to his previous position, he'd just accept NBC's cancellation of his prime time show and move on. I think that's why there's a little annoyance with him. He's not the person making the decisions and really not the cause of the problem, but he's not making the situation any better either.
We're on the Leno Team. Watching Conan jump and bow is sickening.
Waiting for Jay at 11:35!!!!
ZUCKER MUST GO! What a money hungry A-hole...I think it is time to start turning our attention to the other Wall Street jerks – Hollywood Execs in their 40's with WAY overblown egos...Hollywood = Wall Street in many ways because it is just a few bad men screwing all the hard working people below and their customers...All is not forgiven just because you strike a good comedy lineup "one day".
I don't get it. Leno takes the risk by leaving the tonight show. He gets his new show, but when his new venture fails it is everyone else's fault? Leno took the risk let him deal with the consequences. That's how the rest of the world works.
Leno did not retire from the Tonight Show or give it to Conan. NBC fired him (even with his higher ratings than Letterman) to keep Conan. After that stupid move then they put Leno in a bad time slot. NBC is to blame for the whole mess, blame them. not Leno or Conan
and the very last thing is trivial and sounds stupid but Conan has too much hair and that part on the side is...well......weird. He needs a new cut! He looks like woody woodpecker!
If Team Conan had been watching the show then there wouldn't be any question about who to keep. Too bad you guys were watching Letterman instead.
Leno was pushed out of the slot by NBC because they didn't think he'd still be beating Letterman after 5 years, so don't go after Leno. NBC screwed up. Conan screwed up too because he didn't change anything about his format. It's the same old same old.
I'm for Conan. Jay was never funny to me. I didn't start watching the Tonight Show until Conan took over. The networks are really just screwing the pooch left and right these days.
How is this Conan's problem that Leno tanked at 10pm???? This is Leno whining to NBC and NBC running scared....I'd hate to be Jeff Zucker right about now.....go home and play with your cars, Jay....
Everyone seems to have a short memory. When Jay Leno was up for the Tonight Show against the man who was supposed to get the slot, David Letterman, he was ruthless in his behavior to get the spot. There has been book and TV movie on the subject. Jay Leno was supposed to give up the Tonight Show slot and cede it to Conan. By doing the 10:00 pm experiment it appeared that Leno did not want to "go gently into that good night' and wanted to keep the Tonight Show. NBC wants to put Jay back in the 11:35 pm Tonight Show spot and they do not know what to do about Conan. Ultimately, Conan will have to jump ship. It is a tough business...Leno had higher ratings at 11:35 than Conan does now and that is all that matters to NBC.
NBC made a contract with Conan 5 years ago. He clearly doesn't have the ratings because he has a HORRIBLE lead in. He needs a GOOD show before his show... and NOT another Jay Leno half our deal. Leno needs to go find something to do. I mean, his stupid show failed so why would a half hour show do any better?! NBC is dumb. I hope Conan gets an offer from a different station and blows everyone away and that Leno goes out on bottom.
Being a good human being, I think Jay should let Conan to continue his show by not accepting the NBC offer.
...and more again. I think I am sending NBC reasons why the ratings are down with Conan. He needs to calm down and appear more "cool"; they need to ditch the second banana asap and change that set. It is too large and too cold. The vibs get lost in there somehow....not intimate enough. It looks like a hangar. Where is the plane?
Few words for Conan: It is You, YOURSEL ALONE screws the rating after NBC moved you to the tonight show. They did you a favor, and let you do the thing you always wanted. But, you didn't nail it. You lost the audience. DO NOT BLAME LENO. BLAME YOURSELF. LOSER!!!
Everyone keeps wanting to blame Leno he was prepared to leave NBC after the Tonight Show then NBC got scared when ABC started talking to him. That is the whole problem is NBC is afraid of loosing either one to another network.
Most of the posts here so far seem to come from younger people who can't yet imagine what it would be like to reach retirement age and find out they are still good at what they do and still enjoy doing it. It's pretty heartless and stupid to say, in effect, "Leno is old and should go away." He wants to keep working, and there are lots of us who want to keep watching him.
NBC has the same choice it had a year ago when it found Leno was going to keep on working, either for them or opposite them. They are choosing the same option – not to let another network hire away the guy who has proven he can keep a late-night show at #1. Conan , on the other hand, drove the Tonight Show to the bottom of the ratings by appealing primarily to the younger viewer. I'm older and find him insufferably arrogant, condescending, and unfunny. To me, seven months is about six-and-a-half months more of a run than he deserved. I say put him on MTV or someplace else on cable where he can be himself, serve his own audience, and the average viewer won't have to put up with him.
I like hearing about Leno and Conan ruining the Tonight Show. I'm a Letterman fan.
I think NBC should give Conan a break and keep him on the Tonight show. I like Jay too but he announced his retirement from this show years ago. Conan should take this show in a different level. The idea of having Jay before Conan on prime time never appealed to me, it feels like he is stealing Conan's thunder.
I like Team Conan:-)! Go Conan!!!
GD a fellow New Yorker!
Let's see. The tonight show has its lowest ratings in decades and you are all screaming for Conan to stay. He is the reason the show tanked and I will never watch because of him.
so y'all know, NBC went to Jay and – in an attempt to keep him from going to another network – promised him the 10:00 spot five days a week. Jay was – and still is – ready, willing, and able to take company with a new employer. However, unlike the peacock, he's trying to honor the commitment he signed. Besides, if he quits there's a no-compete clause in the deal that will – for all intents and purposes – ban him from working comedy for years.
Conan threatened to leave NBC if he did not get the tonite show in 5 years. He started the whole thing!
Jay was not at all ready to leave ,but, had no choice and agreed to make Conan happy.
Now Jay is the bad guy? THey should have let Conan leave and Jay stay. It was Jay's show!
I think Leno should to a once a week variety type show. Every night in prime time is just way to much.
NBC needs to keep Conan. He connects better with the younger audience that doesn't typically watch late night. His ratings are down cause the older folk watched Leno and don't get Conan, but the people that Conan connect with will soon be the crowd that watches late night.
Leno sucks. His jokes are as predictable as a road map.
Leno and Conan are not out to get each other. I believe its the NBC execs that need to do some explaining. I never really cared for Conan's humor while he had his own show and never watched him when he was on the Tonight Show. Let Jay leave and watch the ratings plummit for the Tonight Show.
If Conan is so much better than Leno like so many of you say, his show would not be pulling such miserable ratings. I tried to watch for 2 or 3 nights and it was so stupid I just quit, along with millions of others, apparently. They both worked better in their old slots. Move them back where they were.
..and one more thing. That guy sitting next to Conan...his side kick is the most blah....and skin crawling thing I have seen in these kinds of shows. Could they have done better? Really! sorry dude. Go sell insurance or real estate or maybe used cars.
Jay Leno is such a baby. Your show tanked, get over it. Why try to steal Conan's time slot? Conan is much funnier than Leno anyway.
Leno never wanted to retire, NBC forced him to. However, he was a ratings winner, so NBC gave him his own show which was doomed. I'm sorry, I tried to like Conan, but I just don't find him funny. Although I do feel bad for him. Give the Tonight Show back to Jay. Let Conan go to FOX, which would be a better fit for him. Lets just forget that the last seven months ever happened!!!
How can people forget that Leno was the one who got screwed first? He lost his show first because Conan would have left for the highest bidder, so how can you can't blame Jay for wanting the job back that he never should have lost in the first place?.
The point is, Leno was forced out of the tonight show. Several years ago NBC promised Conan that he would take over the Tonight Show in 2009. Unforunately, that was before Jay was ready to go. But if Conan didn't get the show he was to get 25 million. So Jay was forced out. So, while I agree that it is lousy for Jay to try and get it back, Jay was screwed first.
Hey Guys, Leno paid his dues, Jay just didn';t walk in and say I want
Carson job, the same with Conan and Letterman, they worked years to developed their craft. Because some high up young/old exc, put out the word maybe we should change this because I know what best. Well it going to cost you in great talent and big bucks, no matter how they try to please the viewers it going to tick off the consumer and the sponsors. I can't wait to read the next great idea that comes across the wires.
First of all Leno didn't retire, if he had he wouldn't be doing the show at 10 pm. It was a stupid corporate decision to see if they could get a younger viewership. They basically made Leno step down. It didn't work and Conan's ratings are the worst ever. The ignorance of these comments hating Jay Leno for something he has no control over is really pathetic.
Jay needs to give it up YOUR NOT FUNNY!!!
How do I get my Team Conan general issue pocket protector? I have already taped the bridge of my glasses.
Does anyone know that Jay has never spent a dime of his Tonight Show money....that is a known fact! He has admitted it. He lives on his money from his traveling stand-up shows. Come-on!!! He is a spoiled trillionnaire...and I love the guy! But.....I have to be with Conan on this. He has done his time on Late Night.....now Jimmy is there and it is Conan's time at 11:35......
Nevermind the fact that Conan relocated his entire life, family and so did his staff. He could be enjoying the cold weather right now along with the rest of us on the East Coast........
Come on NBC.......get your heads out of your rearends!!! That's why you are where you are in the ratings......Give Leno a show after Jimmy if he wants to tell jokes still.........he has had his time and has enough money......
Apparently, people seem to be missing the fact that Conan's ratings have been steadily decreasing as well. I would hardly call Conan's Tonight Show a success. Conan lacks class and his humor only really appeals to university kids up late studying. His humor is not appropriate for the people who watched Leno and Johnny before him. Letterman appeals more to Conan's audience but Letterman does it better. Conan tries too hard to be cool and is too self-deprecating. It's not endearing, it's annoying.
What they should have done is a transition period where guest hosts took over the Tonight Show on a trial basis and then they could have made a decision based on who the audience responded to the best. That's essentially what they did with Leno – he was guest host for Johnny quite a number of times. Promising it to Conan was just plain stupid.
Conan didn't take over the Tonight Show – Conan brought the Conan O'Brien show to 11:35pm. By bringing over his silly stunts/skits, they killed the integrity of the Tonight Show IMO.
The heck with them all they should give the tonight show to the person that should have had it in the first place "Letterman" then Leno can go do daves show and conan can go to fox
Unfortunately, if Conan's numbers were better....we wouldn't be having this discussion. This is an unfortunate situation but I am sure both guys will be back on top very soon.
To hell with Late Night all together, Leno, Conan, Letterman .. Lame. They are about as funny as a train wreck.
Fair is fair and what NBC is doing is anything but. They are trying to keep their fingers in all possible pies. You ate it boys! Send Leno to his dream retirement house on the hills and keep Conan in his old spot. The fact that Conan is not as attractive to many is a problem they should have figured out years ago. He did not change. He is the same Conan. I watch Letterman myself. He has the charisma in my opinion. Conan irritates me. Too nervous!
NBC should hold LENO to his statement that he was going to retire. It's time to retire him. I never could stand his high school locker room style of humor anyway.
I've loved Conan ever since I was allowed to stay up late enough t watch late night television. I feel for him. TEAM CONAN ALL THE WAY!
Time to give the Big Chin a rest, Jay. Stop flapping it and go home. Your day is done.....
Jay retired and announced he wanted a change. It didn't work, so now he wants his old job back at his replacement's expense (not to mention Conan's family and staff that followed him to California). Our family discussed it and will never watch Leno again if he takes down Conan. By the way, come on, this wouldn't be an option for Jay if he didn't ask for and want it. He must think he can save NBC and has the network convinced he can, but I think he's finished if this goes through.
It's easy to go after Leno, because it's not the first time he's done this. Many forget to mention that he and his agent were the ones that worked to push Johnny to retirement, and to keep Letterman from the Tonight Show. The fact that Leno gave a date for his retirement, and then pulled a Favre, announcing he didn't want to retire kept things crazy.
Throw in NBC execs thinking they could get programming on the cheap just adds to the insanity. Leno will get the Tonight Show back, Conan will go to Fox, and the return of the Late Night Wars will begin again, with agents refusing bookings and whatnot.
NBC should honor Conan's deal. Leno should admit that he's not 10pm material, and move on.
People saying it's not Jay Leno's fault? What are you thinking? It's not the executives. It's Jay leno pushing for his job back. If you knew everything that was going on you wouldn't say that. People are so gullible to anything they see on the news.
NBC Management is entirely responsible for this entire thing. They told Conan he'd have this position, and now they are trying to give it back to Leno after realizing he doesn't hold the numbers he used to. I Blame NBC, however I think Leno should gracefully bow out if it has to come to Conan leaving. If Leno has the same passion for the Tonight show that Conan has, then I believe he will.
Forget the poll as to what time slot the Tonight show holds (Should stay at 11:35), the real poll is who should host the Tonight show. I'm in the Leno camp.
It all comes down to ratings and money. I like both Jay and Conan and I wished that NBC would get its act together, becauase I really can't stand that other guy on CBS, gee I have trouble remembering his name.
The people have rejected Keno's new show and the affiliates have let NBC know. Leno has more than had his run and made a fortune. Meanwhile the Conan crew uprooted thier entire families from New York to work here. Conan will be ok but Leno's ego is not only going to hurt The Tonight Show it will hurt the people who moved out here that aren't comanding Conan's salary. Somthing to think about Jay – do the right thing and bow out.
GO TEAM COCO!!!!
Sorry, Jay, no takebacks. Decisions have consequences. You decided to leave your show for another one, and it's too bad it didn't work out, but those are the breaks. Conan got the new time slot, he's earned it, and he deserves to keep it. Nothing personal, Jay and NBC, but forget this silliness. If you engage in this kind of flakiness, I'm not only not going to watch your late-night lineup, but your prime-time lineup as well. I can't stand wishy-washiness.
The network guys in charge have screwed up their projections and now they want to manipulate their pawns ( Leno and O'Brien) to repair their new direction. Well, it's about time one of them says NO! fix it yourselves......Conan is not going to be the patsy and why should he? Good for him! I thought Leno was retiring anyway, then he pops up again...what's with that? He made so much money......he can move on and play with his cars. I like him but maybe he needs to re-group and give Conan the break he had for so long.
Jay did not "give" the Tonight Show to Conan – NBC execs did. Jay was forced to agree to the change five years ago even though he was #1 in the ratings. When the NBC execs, who saw that Jay was STILL #1 in late night ratings five years later, might go to another network, they offered him the 10:00 pm slot so he would stay at NBC and not compete with their programming. Conan had almost five months of traditional, 10 pm programming as a lead-in before Jay's new show started but he was never #1 and NBC lost of millions of viewers. To blame Jay is just insane – the people responsible are the NBC execs who wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Think about it... how would you feel if you were told you had to give up the job you loved even though you were #1? It stinks to high heaven. Both Jay and Conan were screwed by this.
NBC is screwing Conan the same way they screwed Letterman years ago. Conan should keep the Tonight show at 11:35 and NBC should smell the coffee (they made) and get rid of Leno once and for all. If NBC had given the Tonight show to Letterman in the first place, they wouldn't be in this mess now. Hey Jay, Bow out gracefully and give Conan his chance. You blew yours.
SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO SCREW LENO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of the dislike being directed at Leno is in part from the old days with Carson. Carson wanted Letterman as his heir to the show and things were looking that way, but reports were that Leno and the network made some backdoor deals and gave the show to Leno instead.
Letterman's jokes about Leno over this latest issue have been rather dripping with sarcasm, so you know there is some bad blood between them.
As for this thing with Conan, this deal was setup over 5 years ago where Jay would leave and Conan would take over. It is not Conan's fault if Leno doesn't want to leave or retire, it is Leno's problem and Leno is making it Conan's problem.
The show was given to Conan and it should remain his until Conan says it's time to go. Leno had his run and the run is OVER. Deal with it, Leno.
Team Conan for the win!
You people should get some sleep.
Jay did not GIVE the Tonight Show to Conan. NBC did. Why should Jay just bow out if NBC wants him back at 11:30? NBC should never have taken Jay from the Tonight Show in the first place, and now they should bite the bullet, let Conan go to Fox and give Jay his rightful spot back. "Team Conan" can say what you want, but Jay was #1 at that spot and it wasn't even close. Now Letterman is kicking Conan's butt. Why shouldn't NBC want to switch back?
Leno had remorse immediately after he decided to retire. For some reason, NBC thinks he's some sacred cow that they need to hold on to. Really? Would it be a huge loss if he went to another network? I don't think so. Conan provides intelligent – although sometimes goofy – comedy, which is refreshing in a time of dumbed-down entertainment.
I'm not sure it's Leno "hate." Conan is a bit justified, because he was scheduled to take of "The Tonight Show" in 2010 anyway - regardless of what Jay Leno was going to do. In my opinion, the classy thing would be to honor Leno's contract for "The Jay Leno" show (in terms of payment) while also honoring the commitment to Conan by giving him a real shot at succeeding as the new host.
I feel bad for Conan – he was promised the Tonight Show position, made major changes to his life to be the host of that show and now they are taking it away from him after only 7 months! Just think how you would feel if you moved out of state, passed up on other offers to take a job with a company only to have them boot you out and replaced for no apparent reason
Conan is NOT a funny guy. Jumping up and down, please get a grip! Jay should not be kicked because of what NBC and its affiliates want. Jay is not the one who is knocking the clown out, it is NBC. Stop trashing Jay and have a little class.
All you saying Leno ruined and IS ruining the Tonight Show are delusional or are in denial. The man had the highest ratings across all network late night television. Conan had his shot but lost NBC nearly 3.5 million viewers. Seinfield gets it, Letterman gets it. NBC should not have messed with a good thing to begin with.
Put Leno on PBS.
I honestly think Jay & Conan need to go...neither one is funny...
NBC could use a fresh face on the tonight show.... someone who
like Ellen is actually funny.!
Leno or O'Brien?? I have never cared for Coran O'Brien; he just isn't funny; however I don't think this if fair to him. He was given the show. Was a clause included in his contract that said only if Jay Leno's show makes the grade?.... probably not!... Geri
What Conan should do is move to Comedy Central. Jon Stewart can go on a 10:30, Colbert at 11:00 and Conan can have his tonight show at 11:30, five minutes earlier than NBC is giving him now. Comedy Central would make bank and Conan would be given more creative freedom. Cable is the way of the future anyhow... or is it satelitte television... I can't remember what the television comercials tell me to think.
Leno needs to move on Conan is doing a much better job !!!!!!!
Go coco go!!! Jay Leno needs to grow up. He looks so bad with his "If its offered I'll go back" talk. Its called The Tonight Show with CONAN O'BRIEN! Hey NBC... Just thrown Jay away like the trash he has become!
Raymond is right. Five or six years ago, Jay Leno agreed that he would retire in 2009 and allow Conan to take over the Tonight Show. This agreement was reached to ensure that Conan would not go to another network: ABC, FOX, etc. Conan has only been doing the show for 7 months. His ratings are down, because of his lead-in (i.e. local news). Ratings for local news are down because of their lead-in (i.e. the Jay Leno show). Remmber, it took Jay some time before he started beating Letterman in the ratings. I think he finally established himself after Hugh Grant, following a scandal, appeared as a guest. Conan, in my opinion, is much funnier than Jay. Lately, Jay's jokes have become more mean-spirited. I think that it's time that Jay just calls it quits. What would be the purpose of having a 30-minute talk show, when he generally delivers one of the longest (and most boring) monologues of all the late night hosts? Are they going to stop having guests? Skits?
Meanwhile, corporations own our entire waking life.
look at the great entertainment we are getting out of this battle. Personally what I think NBC should do is keep Leno on Prime time, but instead of nightly, just once a week and make it more of a Variety show like Ed Sulivan
Why are people even debating this? Who cares? We are at war. People are dying!
I think this move is, not only unfair to Conan, but unfair to Jimmy Fallon as well. NBC are putting too much of their hopes and dreams in Leno when they should be looking into new talent or new shoes. Leno's show failed; Conan and Jimmy shouldn't have to get shafted because of his failure to do well. I am not attacking Leno either, but I think NBC is trying too hard to hold on to him since he was pulling in the big ratings.
As I recall, Leno never wanted to leave the Tonight show. This is all the doing of NBC suits who needed to please Conan or otherwise he would have left NBC for another network in 2004. Then in 2009 when they went through with 2004 plan they had to do something otherwise Leno would leave NBC for another network. It was not Leno's idea to have the 10 pm show - although he could have made it a better show.
Bottom line, two good guys, good comedians that both want to do a late night show and only one can do it at NBC. Whoever leaves NBC will end up on another network after the non-compete clause expires and they will go against each other every night. That should be interesting.
Jay Leno did not GIVE the show to Conan. NBC had to promise the show to Conan with a firm start date or he would not have signed his contract with NBC 5 years ago. Leno was forced to announce his "retirement". It was no surprise to me that when the time came, he was not ready to retire & NBC certainly wouldn't have wanted Leno competing against Conan, so they gave him the prime time spot. Now that it isn't working out, NBC still does not want Leno to go to another network. Conan's numbers aren't what they expected either. This is NBC getting themselves in a pickle – NOT the doings of either Leno or O' Brien...
Team Conan all the way! Although I think he was funnier when he was on later. He was allowed to be a little crazier and more over the top. Thats when he is at his best!
This transition from Leno to Conan started SIX YEARS AGO ! Leno had his run on the tonight show. Now he is going to ruin it. He will be blamed for ruining the best thing in television history. Leno is good, but he is being a baby!
I'm on Team Conan as well. It's time for Jay to retire.
FOLLOW THE MONEY-FOLLOW THE MONEY–FOLLOW THE MONEY-THEN UNPLUG NBC. Wonder what Johnny would have to say about this kind of treatment???
Go Conan! Jay needs to give it up
i hate leno... i love conan. i used to watch letterman then switch to conan.
I have never been a "big" fan of Conan, but I am behind him 100% on this one. Screw Leno, he gave up his spot, it is his loss. I thought he wanted to "retire" anyway. He has plenty of money, and other stuff he can do.
I agree with K. Brown. Jay could gracefully bow out of this debaucle by saying he's just not interested. He agreed to the contract that expired in 2009 and at first was supportive of Conan taking over the show. I would guess that he's struggling to find a professional identity post-Tonight Show, hence trying to reconnect the The Tonight Show.
Team Conan for me. At least he's speaking about it in a classy, yet humorous way.
I'm on Team Conan!
I enjoy Leno over Conan. Leno is a master at what he does............yet, I feel for Conan, but I realize the money he'll be given, I really don't...
Apparently Jay has been hanging out with Brett Favre.
All kidding aside...
Jay, you gave the tonight show to Conan – now go away and find something elese to do. Let's see how well the tonight show does with out the tonight show w/ Jay Leno as an opener.
Leno has had his run let Conan have his I am team Conan
I think Leno has a lot to answer for here. He's had his run on the Tonight Show. AND it's HIS new show that is lousing things up.
I think the honourable thing for him to do is to admit failure and bow out. Taking Conan down with him (and Jimmy) looks rather selfish to me.
Conan isn't "going after" Leno. And neither is Leno "going after" Conan (Leno did jokes about Conan too).
They are comedians. They are supposed to make jokes. And this is the news around them and people "expect" them to make jokes about the situation. It was the poor judgement and decisions of the NBC managment that caused the situation. They also made a snap decision in saying they are pulling Leno and put him on at 11:35 again.
You go after Leno because he's being selfish. He "retired" his position to Conan. If he had any respect for the Tonight Show he would not agree to an 11:35 time slot which in turn hurts the integrity of the entire lineup.
A better solution would be to put Leno on for a half an hour AFTER the Tonight Show. Yes it still pushes back Fallon but he'd still be running at the same time he would if Leno went to 11:35 and screwed up the Tonight Show's timing.
Count me in on team Conan
You're delusional. There's no way the execs would be doing all of this scrambling if LENO wasn't pushing for it. If he backed out and said 'hey forget it, I don't want to ruin the Tonight Show' then nobody wouldn't be talking about this. To me this boils down to a sad, as Conan said “destruction of the tonight show”. I mean they keep SNL on tv for the fact it's been around for 30+ years. The Tonight Show has been in that slot for 60!
So yeah...to hell with Leno!
Whay go after Leno? He's not making the decisions. It's the higher ups. I don't get all the Leno hate...
Why go after Leno, he's not the guy in charge?
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