There's only one semi-sexy scene in James Cameron's blockbuster "Avatar," but what couldn't be shown in theaters you'll be able to watch in the privacy of your own home.
Cameron admitted in a recent group interview that "Avatar" did have a sex scene between Zoe Saldana's Neytiri, a Na’vi, and the avatar of Sam Worthington's character, Jake Sully, but he cut it out in favor of a PG-13 rating.
"That [scene] will be something for the special edition DVD, if you want to see how they have sex," Cameron said.
(If you haven't seen the movie and absolutely detest spoilers, stop reading now.)
Instead of doing more R-rated moves, the two blue aliens spend a few sultry minutes intensely staring and sharing a Hollywood kiss before the film jumps to the morning after.
The scene could leave some people scratching their heads, since it's unclear how, exactly, the Na'vi mate. The aliens wear clothing in the same areas humans do when hitting a public beach, but they could be as anatomically correct as Barbie and Ken dolls. And where do those tails go?
For the last question, at least, Saldana had a probable answer.
"If you sync to your banshee and you're syncing to a tree, why not sync into a person? I almost feel like you'll have the most amazing orgasm, I guess," she said in the interview. "It was a very funny scene to shoot because there were so many technical things that sometimes you have to keep in mind that paying attention to all those might disrupt the fluidity of how a scene is supposed to take place."
She added that because Cameron wanted to keep a tween-friendly rating, they "couldn't move in certain directions. The motion would look a little too past the PG-13 rating standards. So it was really funny for Sam and me. We had a lot of giggles there."
Here's hoping that extra DVD scene will be just as hilarious.
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Couldn't they make 2 special editions of the movie? I want to get it, but get the special edition... to watch with my FAMILY. I wish they hadn't decided to put that in there. I'm not against it in general, but I'd like to see the special features WITH MY FAMILY.
I don't really understand what it is about the whole 'sex' thing. If you think about it, it makes no since that people can see, on screen, scenes of violence and death but not just a little bit of 'sensuality'. If a movie is just PACKED with violence, the most it can be rated is PG-13. But if there has just one sex scene, depending on the explecetness, it could be rated R! In Asian movies, It is basically just the other way around. Sex is glorified, but violence is taboo.
One more point
I never understood what it was about seeing blood or gore in a movie. All of that stuff is inside your body anyway and helps you LIVE. But seeing it out of your body is bad.
kids and guns = god given right to bear arms
kids and violence= it happens all the time
kids seeing a nipple= sexual perversion and flaming afterlife
i never could understand the right wing, judeo christian, fascination with condeming anything related to sex but yet how many of our major religious figures have been caught with prostitutes. Some of them have been caught with male prostitutes. so its basically a do as i say not as i do thing with you christians i am taking it.
As sick as it sounds im kind of excited and intrigued and cant wait
Damn does it matter if they make it rated R or not? We're still going to sneak in into the movie to watch it!!!
Seriously, did people not read the article? He could have had the sex if he wanted to, but wanted to get a solid PG-13 rating. The gore in the SAW and Hostel movies have R ratings. Why in the world are you comparing two movies going after different ratings? Now if SAW was PG-13, then you can start comparing violence vs. sex, but it's not.
Leaving the sex out of the movie was a good choice for parents wanting to enjoy the movie with their families. The scene in the movie was enough of a mind teaser that ones imagination could fill in the blanks.
Also think, the HINT of sex will stimulate the mind of a tween and videos show more than what is seen in a PG13 movie.
I am more concerned that many appear to think that the mindless cursing in the movie is tween-friendly. Don't get me wrong, Avatar is a GREAT movie. However, Avatar and many PG13 movies would be just as great without an over abundance of curse words.
People don't get it. Cameron could have shown the two characters going at it in great detail for half an hour if he would have been willing to accept an NC-17 rating. The posters who say "Americans can have gore in SAW but no lovemakiing in AVATAR totally miss the point. If Cameron would have been willing to have an R rating on AVATAR, which is what SAW is rated, he could have had the sex. It was his choice. There's no censorship in the US film industry for adults. It's about keeping sex off limits for kids.
I have to say that I was kind of confused during that part on the movie because it seemed like something more would/had happened. I think that it's great that since they decided to leave it out for wide release they'll give the option to see it if people so choose.
Living in Japan I find that it's interesting that sex/nudity is open here in media yet the approach to it by many is very different than in the U.S. I understand why and yet at the same time it's strange. From what I've seen on television and in advertising in the U.S., there's no sexual repression that I can see. Just watch Spike or MTV or some prime-time commercials. It's omnipresent yet people act hypocritical about it nevertheless.
At least be glad there was an option. And you'll still have that option, should you decide to purchase it on home video. Geez.
Oh, and this has NOTHING to do with religion and EVERYTHING to do with money. Everything doesn't have to be tied to religion/politics. It was economical more than anything, I would imagine.
What I find particularly disturbing is not that this nation's citizens would rather permit extreme gore and violence in movies but freak out when there's a loving sex scene. What bothers me is that this nation's citizens would rather permit extreme gore and violence IN REAL LIFE but freak out when there's a loving sex scene.
Weren't you paying attention in the near 3-year runtime of the film? $5 says they do it clothed, kissing and locking ponytails. Go banana.
Hi folks, I just want to correct something about "Tails". The link is actually at the base of their ponytails-im assuming that the hair itself is growing off a vein-like appendage that protrudes out the back or base of their skulls.
Dont believe me, just watch the Avatar clip where Neytiri introduces Jake to her Ikran(dragon mount) you can clearly see its NOT her tail that is attached to the dragon's appendage.
As to all the fuss about this, my opinion was that Jake and Neytiri fell deeply in love, and had very romantic, very good love scene. Would seeing them making the physical link hurt the scene, no. But I bet it would raise the "heat level" to R.
i beleive that its not that big of a deal to have a sex scene in this movie. Sex is the way life is created, believe it or not everyone one of us were created that way! Sex is the most natural thing in the world and everyone wants to do it, or has done it. Its time for soceity to realize that its not something to be ashamed of. We arent in grade school anymore, when people make love they dont get cooties...
Lol@everybody trying to discuss about a little sex scene.
Well, anyways, R34 had covered the sex scene anyways..... But I can't wait for it! Even the furries are building a time machine for it!
My GOD people, who would have thought that a deleted sex scene from a CGI FILM would cause so much stir. Get a life people.
wow, that makes me sad, makes it seem like james cameron is actually in it for the obscene amounts of money over having the movie how he envisioned.
and i was wondering that about the na'vi actually...
Isn't it amazing that they cut out a "sex scene" between two cartoon characters to "maintain a PG13 rating, but INCLUDED blasphemy with the human characters using God's name in vain along with using the precious name of Jesus Christ as a curse word. Perhaps on Pandora, they should consider using Mohammed or Buddah as curse words instead. Wonder how far they would have gotten with that approach? Actually, when you view the movie, the blasphemy actually lowers the class of the movie and is a detraction. Sorry, Cameron, perhaps you can explain it to God when you meet Him.
On terms of a rating, I wouldn't want my kids watching that or any of the swearing/over-the-top violence. Although this movie wasn't very violent. But some do and this scene should be considered less of a heavy rating than some of that. It all depends on the context.
Wow. People are blaming the government for this? I really don't care because I don't like watching sex scenes. Why would you want to? Its awkward. If people wanna do that they should just go watch porn. I don't like graphic violence either. But it can be useful to emphasize brutality of people or cruelty of war, etc. Plus, sometimes it can just be good fun like in The Lord of the Rings. Where it's not gory, just battle sequences. I don't like too much profanity either. But you hear it all of the time and its just a word.
I think sex in movies is a stupid way to promote a film. Same with over-the-top violence and unnecessary swearing. Although this scene isn't porn, I still don't understand why people would want to watch it. I understand the point, but for me, sex scenes are so unecessary.
Not wanting to see gratuitous sex or violence does not make a person a prude. When comparing the U.S. to other countries, the difference between Americans and the rest of the world in terms of these factors is not sex vs violence; but, rather a certain indifference and comfort with nudity. Where americans are squeamish and uncomfortable most other "western" countries realize everybody has got a body, what is the big deal?"
With all that said, I do not particularly want my kids to see either Sex or Violence in a movie wether it is gratuitous or not. Most tweens and teens have not yet developed the capability to see past the obvious visuals and realize there are grander issues at play.
A lot more nuance can be achieved by drawing the viewer in and providing a framework for their intellect rather than just their physicality.
To Irrational: Yes, but in Europe people are generally more tolerant of sex in the media and nudity in general. As you suggest, teen sex rates are slightly higher in Europe yet teen pregnancies and unprotected sex are actually lower compared to the US. It isn't the media's job to teach kids what is appropriate and what isn't.
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Right, I have no problem with your opinion as everybody has a right to their own, I just hate when people use the word pornography completely out of context in order to condemn art that is clearly not intended to gratify people sexually. Pornography is a word loaded with negative connotation, using it to make your point sound stronger is naive. This deleted sex scene is so clearly not pornography as it is used to express the love between two central characters not to exploit their bodies. Sex is a part of life and labeling anything to do with it as pornography is doing nature a grave injustice.
Well speaking from a British/Australian point of view, I think it is totally bizarre to hide children from sex scenes and yet expose them to bloodshed and gore. What is more immoral, gratuitous violence just for the sake of it or a love scene? And why in the name of God do Americans and Brits for that matter, associate sex with porn? What's the intellectual connection between sex and porn? Call me whatever you want but it's not even there, check out the dictionary definitions. The idea that you can hide sex from children and they will 'automatically' grow up with healthy sexual adults is a fallacy put out by sex fixated experts to justify their twisted moral agenda of control, control, control. When your children grow up and wind up committing real sex crimes, ask yourself, where was the sex education in their teens? Open dialog and discussion may not be everything but it's better than whistling in the dark whenever the subject of sex comes up. And no, I'm not advocating sex for the sake of sex, but a love scene in a movie shouldn't be edited out to appease the right wing fundamentalists. Making love is a normal human function and should be treated as such,to cut it out is to deny our humanity.
The rating systems is nothing more then a escape for the goverment and movie studioes so that they aren't doing the parents job. If anyone really thinks that some tween kid isn't dl porn on there wii or surfing on there ipod touch, they are dreaming. So please stop crying fowl, the special edition with be purchased and watched and nobody will really care cause as soon as the parent are away every tween/teen will do what they want. So again, the rating system is nothing more then a escape so they don't get sued for something the parents have no control over anyways.
This Country is so screwed up. You fuss about a non-existent sex scene that our children might be exposed to, yet you allow them to watch TV and don't complain? Do you allow you children to watch the NEWS? You better not because there is more harm being done there then they will ever see on the big screen. I watched Dr. Phil the other week at 3pm. They were discussing that oral sex is the new good-night kiss. This is what you allow your children to do and you fuss about a no nudity, none existent scene in a movie with aliens mating. The story about those 2 falling in love over a 3 month time and then mating should be something to be proud of. In this Society, that is a rare accomplishment. Most people have done it by the 2nd of 3rd date, some even on the 1st. So don't give me this garbage that it shouldn't be in movies when it happens every single day, every minute somewhere in the world.
Why are you people not fussing about Saw or any other Horror movie where they cut peoples limbs off and call it entertainment? So being a murderer is ok, but loving someone isn't?
I have no problem with nudity or blood and guts. Maybe that's just the way I am because I don't allow the nonsense I read about all the time to effect me like the rest of you do. Perhaps its about time you sit down and talk to your kids about love, sex and violence, instead of using the TV as a baby sitter.
You could debate this topic of why he cut the scene all day, but the real answer lies with the "MPAA". They are the ones who determine what we are allowed to see in movies because they have the "R" and "NC-17" raiting stamps ready to go which kill a film's profits and a director's true vision.
I'm going to have to agree with Michael here. There is way too much thought and debate going into this topic.
It's a fictional story, so all ideas are completely fictional so how does our religion come into it? I understand that we all have our ethics and beliefs on the subject of sex in movies, but your analysising it too much, enough to ruin the scene's real meaning. It is about romance and love, and finding a place where an individual can belong and be accepted.
But on a personal note:
I'm glad they didn't put the full on sex scene in because i think it would have tainted the innocence of the movie itself and the intimate moment between Jake and Neytiri.
I can't wait to see it on dvd though!
Its kind of gross in a way when you think about it, if they have sex in the same way that they "interface" with everything else, that's kind of sick. Maybe there is more to it than what I now imagine, I will have to see the missing scene and find out. Maybe it is a human thing of mine to want to keep my reproductive organs and the rest of the world separated. idk.
What about the Vonage logo on his forehead?
I did kinda wonder what they did with their tails. On a side note: Neytiri is my new definition of HOT!!
Re the various scathing comments about sexual repression by more conservative people or Christians, is it repressive to attempt to filter out unhealthy things in society? If we teach our kids that unhealthy behavior is good, and good behavior(virtue) is bad then which mentality is actually twisted? Yes, kids will be exposed to it eventually, but my point is to educate them in a healthy way until they are mature enough to be able to handle the actual thing.
To Steven who is a practicing Catholic, you should check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church online, it has some beautiful writings on human sexuality, and on the potential misuses of such. Technically speaking, to be a practicing Catholic is to believe in her teachings and practice them, not to create our own. Mother Teresa is an example to all of us on what a true practicing Catholic is like. Thanks.
Glad they took it out. No one wants to see blue people humping.
Sex is not needless, some do it for pleasure others do it for reproduction to carry on the human race.
So by your logic, we should all just hide sex from children so parents like you don't have to talk to their children????
Isn't that kind of YOUR JOB Mike!?!?
Why do all of us have to help you raise YOUR kids? If you didn't want to talk to them...maybe you shouldn't have had them.
Sex is a reality that any good parent would prepare their child for, not hide them from it. Your job is to make them a fully functioning, well adjusted memeber of our society. Not some freak that is afraid of sex, but is more then accustomed to violence!
The world has become a bad place when they make a movie. and the immoral perverts have to shove sex in the faces of little childeren. Any one who puts sex scenes in movies knowing full well children and teens will watching it. Are no better then child molesters!
Considering how awesome the sex scene from Team America: World Police was, I don't know why anyone else is even trying...
@JediMasterMatt – Bethlehem, PA:
Those games are rated M for Mature - don't buy them for people under 18.
Those movies are rated R - don't buy them for people under 18.
Cant wait to see it. And no, it's not going to be a "sex scene". I wish they would stop calling it that. They do not "mate" like us, they do reproduce like us, but for them thats two different things. We will see them mate, not reproduce.
Someone said there was sex in the Star Trek movie of last summer. There was not. Also, needless smoking? All smoking is needless. But, sex is needless too. Don't talk on subjects you don't know.
I for one was glad the movie had no sex, as my 8 year old was there with the rest of the family. The violence was a bit rough at times too, but I was glad I didn't have to wriggle in my seat and explain sex to an 8 year old on top of it.
By the way. Very fun movie, even though the plot was unbelievably simplistic.
My thought is this....
Your kids, you raise them.
Your invisable friend, you listen to all the nonsense coming from him.
Don't effect me with it!!!!
Don't let your children watch TV, because it is the "Grown-up box" and there are things on there you don't want your kid to see.
(BTW...seeing Janet Jackson's breast isn't going to twist the kid into a pervert)
Let me live my life as the adult I am, watching adult things, using adult language, and driving at an adult rate of speed past a school. And you all raise your @*@ing kids!!! To be afraid of their sexuality, make decisions for their lives based on 1000yr old myths written by the same group of people we are bombing now, use absurd "baby talk" when they get upset, and to not look both ways before crossing the street because Jesus will stop the car from hitting them.
Now that I have read all the comments, I think I will choose not to watch the movie just like I have never seen Titanic all the way through. Its kinda like boycotting Walmart or MacDonalds.
I have to agree that this country has its moral priorities very backward. That sex is taboo and violence isn't doesn't make sense. I wonder why we have the 3rd highest number of people imprisoned in the world? Why do conservatives fight against gay marriage and sex education and fight in favor of expanded gun ownership and the death penalty? And often these are the same people that espouse the teachings of Jesus Christ. It's a travesty.
I believe the "it's all about me" generation leaving comments here are completely missing the point to the PG-13 rating... it's about those under 13.
The discussion should be about what is OK for them to see and process instead of what "I" want.
Puritanical, religious, Baptist, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, or Zen have nothing to do with the discussion. It's about what is appropriate for those under 13.
Unless your position is that of "what's good for me, is good for children" mentality, then Cameron had the common sense to leave the "alien sex scene" out of the theatrical rendering of Avatar and will leave it to adults to decide whether they want to view it on DVD/BlueRay.
Its clear that there are many diffrent opinions on nudity/violence in movies and nothing will make everyone happy. I think if there was another rating between PG-13 and R, studios wouldent have to fear low profits and cut parts out of the movie.
The movie was awesome without the sex scene and if people want to go more in depth with the sacred mating in this movie, they can wait to see it on the DVD. Even if the sex scene was showed in this movie, it wouldn't have been anything near the pornographic sense because if everyone noticed, everything the Na'vi people did was sacred and it was considered beautiful. Mating was seen as a deep connection between the people not some kind of hormonal outburst like most of the other movies. In this movie the people had sex to consumate a relationship with each other not just for kicks. I also don't think the scene would have caused it to be rated R because of said justification. I am a teenager and almost all of my friends have seen this movie and they agree that a sex scene wouldn't have made a difference because the entire movie wasn't about having sex or even a relationship between the two aliens. It was about an epic battle between the humans and the Na'vi.
This movie doesn't want to make me have sex or attack anyone with a bow and arrow.
Could you please clarify for me? I understood your point that you could live without the "sex" scene in Star Trek, it was un-needed but at least it is in line with the story as we've come to know the characters. Part of the lore surrounding Kirk has always been, well lets just say he's a prolific character, probably goes along with the personality type that becomes a leader (look at all the real examples we have of prolific leaders ). But that was the deal breaker that prevented you from allowing it to be shown in your home?. It does seem odd that the first flag you throw up is about this limited "sex" scene but you didn't even mention the genicide of an entire planet that was depicted or any of the other violence however clevery displayed but clearly implied.
I'm a practicing Catholic, and I believe the world would be better off if more people made love (and saw it on the movie screen) than made war.
haha – i think if they were to show them mating with their tails, then it would have raised some interesting dilemmas regarding bestiality... Imagine if we tamed our pets the same way we mated. Not sure what kind of rating that would get.
Gee-all the sex shouldn't be shown today-it causes the kid to do as they see......guess for the last thousand years with families of 5 to 12 kids living on one room huts did it all wrong and brought up nothing but sex crazed people....
this is just another ploy to make more money. if this is advertised then everyone will want to see how they have sex. the movie has past the $1 billion mark so it will continue once it comes out on dvd.
This movie made me cry and everyone in the theatre I watched it in gave it a standing ovation at the end. Great work Cameron what beautiful characters and the world of Pandora you have introduced us to.
"its the hilarious fact that the female aliens romped around in scantly clad clothing for over 2 hours and not once did a single nipple slip out and show."
Then you need to watch the movie again, nipples were slipping out on a regular basis.
I loved Avatar but the theatrical edit of that scene worked just fine. And a more graphic version on the DVD will also be fine. Two different movie watching experiences and I will be cool with both versions. You all seem to just want to argue. Why is everything so black and white, right or wrong, your way or no way?
For the life of me I cant figure out American victorian beleifs about sex. Kids should all be educated from the time they are 8-10 years old what sex is and how babies are born. Tribes in Africa, People in Asia and Eroupe have no issues with the things we in america describe as porn. They laugh at us. THe only people we have anything in common with about sex are muslims and look how dreadful they treat their women.
Leave it to a christian or ohter religious bonehead of other faith to say a picture of a nude human being is pornographic and should be avoided by kids.
I dont care what you say, humans are sexual creatures by nature and to have some person who knows nothing of sex or cant get a date decide what is and isn't porn is rediculous.
Knowledge is the only way as humans can get over this national repression of sex. Just because kids know how to have sex doesnt mean they;ll do it if you be truthfull to them and tell them to wait until they are of leagal age or at least 18 years old.
This whole BS of waiting til one gets married is a lie and leads to marraiges that are not healthfull-or the only reason they get married is to have sex.
If you disapprove of violence and sex in movies don't watch them. If you don't want your kids seeing it in TV, video games, movies, etc... don't let them watch it.
That's why I skip most movies. The violence I abhor and the sex scenes are so fake they are comical.
I think I misquoted a name from Avatar in my post (Freudian slip of the fingers), just posting a followup to clarify, mostly so that people don't latch on to that.
o_o Quite honestly most of you are missing the point of some of the minor details in movies.
In Star Trek, the green alien sex scene wasn't intended to be sexy in any way possible (they didn't even show any nudity), but it was rather a character point for Kirk, as well as an allusion to Trekkie jokes about sex with sexy green aliens. It just gives you a little insight into the character that Kirk is in this movie, and connects it with previous incarnations of the character.
Karen being a chain smoker in Avatar was similar. The smoking wasn't intended to promote the habit, there would have been specific product placement if it was (you'll notice no brand was ever mentioned). In this case it was just a little quirk of hers to add depth, and it fit into the archetype that her character was written to be. Despite the amazing graphics and presentation of the film and story, little about the story or its characters was original or had any real depth or development (not that this is a criticism, I thought the movie was amazing). The characters were presented just as they would be within the story, and didn't really deviate from it. The main character changed significantly thoughout the movie, but his role in the movie was always to change significantly.
I agree that movies often have gratuitous sex and violence. The Saw series, which has been brought up so many times, would probably been much better if it did away with the gore and focused much more heavily on the chilling psychological factor that made the first one so brilliant. Given the nature of Hollywood, that's unlikely to happen, but just because films often use these elements extravagently in some cases doesn't mean that all such uses are excessive. Each instance of sex or drugs or violence should be taken into the context of the film and the character and situation, and not just labled as necessary OR unnecessary simply for the fact that it is the act/object.
The movie was not made for nor was it ever intended for children. The only reason for pushing the rating down was because some adults are scared away by R-rated films and need to grow up.
these days, parents just might need to consider that sheltering kids from certain aspects of our society is a good idea for a while, but they (the parents) will eventually need to take initiative and put all the crazy goings-on in context . . . it's the epitome of irresponsibility and laziness for anyone to think that there's a magical age at which children are finally safe to experience the world without being twisted by it; moms and dads who aren't actively discussing things with their kids, revealing truths and shades of gray, rank as idiots . . . they should know this: if you want to protect yours, please decide on a time to begin exposing them to what's really out there, and provide them with a beneficial perspective on everything; don't go thinking that the equivalent of sensory deprivation will make them healthier.
Teenagers want to have sex because of the hormones coursing through their bodies. They want to watch sex scenes for the same reason, not vice-versa.
The desire to have sex is a natural part of development. The human body is ready to reproduce, in most cases, by 14-16 years of age. It is our responsibility as adults to encourage teens to make positive choices. Not because it's "wrong" to have sex, but because it's not a mature decision.
It disturbs me that there are so many negative references to "all religious people", & "regligious people." I am a retired minister who has served churches for over 45 years. I have never objected to a movie with a sex scene, especially if it is closely related to the plot of the movie. I do object to "adult movies" because, in my opinion, they do not reflect love, but loneliness & sadness. I haven't seen the movie being discussed here, but I do plan to see it.
I have kids and don't want them to see any sex/nudity in movies, as my wife and I want to try to preserve their minds as much as possible until they get older. I bought a DVD player called 'Clearplay' several years ago that filters out Nudity, Blasphemy, etc and it is to the point today that 98% of shows out there has some sort of sex in it, whether verbal suggestions or explicit sex. I don't think I need to see it either, not only my kids.
Some of the comments here describe people who prefer a cleaner movie as sexually repressed somehow. My wife and I are Catholic Christians and believe that sex is beautiful, God-given and obviously part of our nature as beings(the parts are 'designed' to fit, so to speak). But, we also believe that sex belong in the sacrament of marriage between a man and woman, not in movies. Studies have shown that pornography is the leading factor in pedophilia, so can this really be good for society?
The sex part as a PG-13 Doesn't bother, its that they use the F@*! word, the SOB not many years ago in film ratings that would have made it an R rating, the movie, heck any movie is fine with out those words included.
Typical 'Americana': You can slice and maim a cleavage (or other parts of the body) but you cannot show it being kissed or loved. Every screwed up mentality.
I just spent a minute reading that article.
I want my minute back.
Sex and violence are NOT for children! That is what is wrong with our youth today. Desensitized to a point where people actually stand by and do NOTHING when heinous crimes are committed. (ie, gang rape of a child in public). Get a grip people!
"I personally will not be able to live until I see cartoon sex. It's what's been missing from my life."
Go rent "Team America", it has all the cartoon sex you could ever want to see! And it's hilarious!
1. Your kids are getting in to see those R rated films regardless of what you think.
2. If the puritans (or any others who think sex is so bad) could belly up and actually teach their kids about sex and make them more responsible toward sex you wouldn't have to worry about a simple sex scene in a movie.
3. What is so wrong about nudity in this country? Your kids see themselves naked everyday.....
4. whoever posted sex=love and violence=anger (or whatever it was) was not stating blindly that sex does in fact equal love they were pointing out that SIMPLE SEX IN A MOVIE IS BETTER THAN ANY TYPE OF VIOLENCE. If you don't think that kids emulate violent acts they see in movies and in the media then you live in a cave or should move there soon to keep your kids away from it. STOP BEING IGNORANT, your kids are doing way more than what you think behind your backs, in their rooms, on the internet, at school, etc.
5. Check the stats on this one- Europe has a way more liberal policy toward nudity and kids their are frequently exposed to nudity. The kids their are also a lot more responsible there. And guess what, sex-related crimes and teenage pregnancy are EXTREMELY lower than the U.S. Hmmmmmmmm.
6. You kept your kid out of star trek because a white man was making out with a green chick (both in their underwear and never naked) and you kept your kids away? WOW........there's a potential for racism there. And I guess you would rather have your kids learn about violence rather than witness inter-racial kissing. Good luck!
7. Just so you know, the definition of Pornography or porn is the depiction of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement. I'm pretty sure that James Cameron didn't film this scene for sexual excitement but rather for answering the question of "how do the Na'vi have sex." Does the scene have the "potential" of creating "sexual excitement?" Sure......but I seriously doubt that Cameron made a movie with the intent of sexually exciting anyone.
For those that have already seen Avatar, wouldn't you agree that the film didn't really need a sex scene? I thought the way Cameron shot and edited the scene was intimate enough. A sex scene would have seemed clumsy.
Did anyone think that this whole "sex" thing was already thought out to provoke DVD sales? Other than that – yes, we are a country of prudes.
The movie was an amazing piece of work and doesn't need the sex scene added but the underlying messages from the left stunk it up big time. It was a blatant slam on American beliefs about freedom, religion, politics, ecology, science...did Cameron miss anything slamming anything other than Mom's apple pie? Holy crap...you wouldn't even be able to make a movie like Avatar if it were not for the Marine Corps protecting our sacred freedoms. I was relieved to hear that the young people, discussing the movie as they left the theater, caught all the propaganda fed to them and accepted Avatar as a simple entertainment masterpiece.
Bogus. Just a ploy to make more money on the DVD. Titanic was a PG-13 movie, it had nudity, and a pretty steamy sex scene, literally.
I wonder if the scene will be in 3-D!
Am I the only person who thinks they look creepy, not sexy?
That would be the most gnarleyest thing. Two blue figures going at it with their tails. I would not enjoy seeing cartoons having sex, thats not gnarley.
I think it is somewhat backwards that we more readily accept violence in films in this country than we do sex/nudity. That said, there are instance of sex/nudity that are every bit as disturbing as violence. As long as it is shown in a way that depicts repect for both parties, I think it is far preferrable to the mindless violence we see so much of in movies. That said, I did not find the violence in Avatar to be over the top. Not like you see in some of the horror movies anymore.
I think parents and most of America consider sex to be more taboo then violence, smoking, etc when viewed by younget audiences because parents can more easily lable violence, smoking and so forth as a bad thing. The topic of sex involves a more in depth discussion which a young kid may not be ready for due to lack of understanding.
However I do agree that America needs to lighten up on taboos.
I had no problem with them cutting out the sex scene. My imagination is developed enough that I easily filled in the gaps. They did not need to show any physical humping and bumping for them to get the point across. Their kiss and dialogue along with the morning after wake-up explained everything quite nicely. Not that I'm a puritan. If I were to nitpick the movie in anyway, its the hilarious fact that the female aliens romped around in scantly clad clothing for over 2 hours and not once did a single nipple slip out and show. I think they need to take the Nav'i technology and try to create a "real" version for women here to wear.
Well now...who do I try to shoot down first?
1) 'Pregnancy Pacts" with 13 year olds who have never (probably) seen a sex scene on film with humans vs. a sex scene between 2 9' tall aliens? That sequence gave a whole new meaning to piece of tail as it was...
2) Violence vs. Sex Scenes? Graphic violence is the worst of those two evils. But neither is going to go away as long as most parents haven't set the lockout codes on their digital cable boxes...
3) Cartoon sex, eh? Go watch some Japanese Anime and examine the costumes the heroines all wear...
4) Gratuitous smoking? The smoking was a part of her character. If you spent 12 or 13 hours in a tank, and you were a smoker, do you think you could resist lighting one up when you got out?
I saw the film, like d the film allot and I thought the 'sex" scene worked at it was shown. Power of imagination in such an "explicit" movie worked for me.
KP, it's up to the parents what their children see in ANY film. The other commenters are correct, from my observation, in that parents will happily take their children to see violent films, no matter how graphically that violence is portrayed, but they will freak if there is a bit of skin or a sex scene. Yet, many of these violent movies portray violence in a sexual manner! The characters, especially the women, dress provocatively, and the men scream sexual expletives while shooting, stabbing, blowing things up, etc. And regardless of whether they "have the equipment" to be violent, yes, portrayals of violence DO influence behavior. If it did not, then ordinary advertising wouldn't work, either, and we know that advertising influences behavior. It is not difficult to obtain instruments of violence. Every house has sharp objects; illegal guns are not hard to find; bomb-making instructions are available online. It is simply hypocritical for people to scream in horror over a fantasy sex scene but look the other way for the bloody, gory, often misogynistic violence (including most of the "approved for all audiences" previews I saw when I went to see 'Avatar.')
I think the gratuitous smoking by Grace was way worse. Exactly what did that add to the movie? I believe that seeing cool characters smoking on the big screen sends the wrong message to our kids.
I believe Jedi's point was that he is amazed that parents balk at taking their kids to a movie with a sex scene, but rarely hesitate to take them to a movie in which the hero kills one or more antagonists.
Case in point: It was the (non-explicit and properly rated) "sex" scene with a green alien that prevented Connecticutian from taking his/her children to see Star Trek. But Connecticutian does not list the deliberate holocaust of Vulcan, the lethal hand-to-hand combat or the floating bodies in space as a reason to leave the young children at home.
Also, Jayleigh listed tweens as the limiting factor. In fact, it's teenagers, who buy their own movie tickets, but cannot get into R-rated films. Tweens only go out with their parents, who always have the option of taking them to an R-rated film if they want. PG-13 is obviously to "spicy" for tweens, but just right for teens, and that's the most common rating for films today.
Well, that's *one* visual aspect of the film that James Cameron didn't get from Roger Dean.
I am a conservative and I have NO problem with keeping the sex scene as long as the movie is rated R. As for the violence in the film, it's up to parents to monitor what their children see and don't see.
So let me get this straight. People (including some who commented here) will take their children to see violent movies like this and others, where characters are graphically wounded and killed, where there are major battle scenes including tanks, shooting and hand to hand combat, where characters curse and smoke, but are concerned that their children will see the same characters having sex? Maybe you should have taken your 5 year old to see something age appropriate, like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
I remember from watching 1980's movies that they would show frontal nudity on a PG-13, I think even on a PG rated movie as well. But other posters are correct, the whole sex taboo thing in America is a little ridiculous, wish we were a little more liberal on that issue, like other countries are.
The religious people tell you what to watch, listen to, say and think?
The Government's telling you what to watch, listen to, say and think. (Forget about free speech without people saying you're racist.) Just wait until they control where you live, what you do, what you eat and drink....and what health insurance you buy.
Some people have diagrammed the statements above :
Sex = love + violence = BAD
Good Sex = GOOD
Bad Sex = BAD
Besides, Freud had it right. Physicality has sexual undertones. Removing "Physical Sex" causes a lot of confusion about other physical interaction. I still have a personal limit to how much "Physical Sex" is needed on-screen.
Avataer is an awesome movie, and I CANNOT WAIT to see the sex scene. I would probably watch a full-length Na'vi porno if James Cameron would make one.
The difference is that they wanted to keep this movie Rated PG-13 to open it up to more audiences.
Sure, they could have put in a sex scene, but the rating would have changed to R, thus closing the the movie to a significant percentage of the movie going population and the movie wouldn't have reached or surpassed the 1 Billion Dollar mark as it did.
This movie isn't a horror movie like the Saw series. The two movies cannot be compaired because they are two different genres and are intended for two different audiences. If Saw wanted to open up to more, then they could take out the gore and violence, but then it wouldn't be Saw like we know it, and wouldn't have the hype thats kept six movies coming to theaters.
In a PG-13 movie, it shouldnt have sex or graphic gore and violence, which this movie had neither. If you want to see that then there are plenty of R rated movies.
This country is very judgemental, we invade Iraq, kill thousands of Iraqi people, which will cost us billions in the long run, but try to pass a health care plan which will cover millions of americans and let crap hit the fan. Avatar was entertaining but did anyone get the lesson it was trying to convey? We have one Earth and we are slowly killing her. Once we are done and she is dead, so be it with us. R, PG-13, triple x rated will not matter because we will not be here anymore. I don't understand how democrats, republicans, christian, babtist, black, white, or what ever race you may be can't grasp that.
@whocares, curtis, drow,
Nobody's telling anybody to do or not do anything, and nothing's censored here. Those of you who feel the curious urge to watch blue aliens mate will have your opprtunity, while the rest of the public can choose to avoid that and still enjoy the film. Why the animosity?
Also, nudity and sex scenes are by definition "pornography". The only ambiguity is whether it's "obscenity" and whether it's socially acceptable. We can have differences of opinion on that, and censorship should be avoided. But it IS pornography.
I personally will not be able to live until I see cartoon sex. It's what's been missing from my life.
....um, ok.....three points I'd like to make:
1 – waaaaay too much thought put into this.
2 – IT'S A MOVIE!!! FICTION!!! FANTASY!!!
3 – see points 1 and 2.
The movie is spectacular in the theatre as it stands. They need add nothing more.
Why does it have to be one or the other? A good director can tell a story with NEITHER gratuitous sex nor graphic violence. So turn the question around: why can't media restrain itself to only employ sex or violence when it's necessary to the story, and then in a way that's not unduly provocative, degrading, voyeuristic, gory, whatever? Sounds like Cameron made that right choice in this case.
Another example: I loved the recent Star Trek movie, but sex with a green chick was just too much for me to allow for my three young children. So the producer lost $27 in my household. The movie would have been absolutely no worse off without that scene.
A recent study showed that PG movies generally do better financially than R movies. I hope that's a marketing trend that smart producers pick up on.
Little side note: do you really think "sex=love" in today's media? Really?
that's the thing, though. why is it inappropriate? stupid puritans.
Nudity and sex scenes are not pornography. That's the attitude that has this country so backwards. "SEX = BAD."
Thank all the religious people. After all, we need someone to tell us what to watch, listen to, say and think.
"In most instances on film, sex = love and violence = hate...which would you rather see?"
I think the reason most parents would rather have their teens watch violence over sex is most kids are unlikely to get a hold of equipment like tanks and battle rifles, or have the desire to imitate people killing each other they see on the screen.
But most teens come hardwired with the equipment to have sex, and the parents don't want them to imitate people having sex they see on the screen since there are downsides like STDs, teenage pregnancy, etc.
In other words, teens are a whole lot more likely to imitate people having sex than to imitate people killing each other.
I agree, Jedi Master Matt, but to a point. Sex and nudity are so taboo in this country that we slap movies with an R, yet Avatar was a very violent movie and received a PG-13.
Your argument is flawed though: The sex scene wasn't deleted because it was too taboo, it's because of the rating, plain and simple. PG-13 = more theatres, more money. Saw and those video games have R and M ratings, something Cameron didn't want for Avatar.
People are so weird in this country. Blood and gore are fine, but two alien mating isn't. Thats really screwed up. It will be interesting to see the REAL INTACT scene.
I think he got a PG-13 rating for the needless smoking and swearing, not even remotely for sex. I'm glad they took out a full-on sex scene, who needs to see that?
Our movies are controlled by the tween audience. They used to release Rated R movies and did not care, but now its proven that rated R movies don't make money anymore. So now everything is PG13.
Avatar is not this case, but Casual Sex does not equal love. I am liberal, but I usually wish they would stop gratuitous sex scenes and nudity in movies. There are plenty of outlets for pornography, yet there are many movies that crowbar this crap in and make it inappropriate for even younger kids.
Thic country of ours is so backwards its almost frightening...we'd rather ok and approve of all of the blood, gore and violence in movies like SAW I-VI or on the numerous video games our kids play, but to show two fictional characters, aliens no less having a sexual liason, that is just too taboo???
In most instances on film, sex = love and violence = hate...which would you rather see? Honestly.
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