I am seriously over Carrie Prejean’s ridiculous high-horse shenanigans! Since her comments against gay marriage during the Miss USA pageant, this former Miss California has been a walking contradiction of “family values” and boob-job blond mediocrity. And now, with her brand spanking new sex tape mixed with her new tell-all book decrying pornography, I am hoping we can officially crown this woman Miss Hypocrisy and move on with our lives.
The moment Prejean took a stance against gay marriage she has been a media magnet for the political right who hailed her as a new role model for the young conservative movement, symbolizing beauty and values in one fell swoop. But there were big time alarm bells a-ringing from the get-go that little Miss California wasn’t quite the moral princess she was made out to be. Sure we ignored the topless photos that surfaced of the blond beauty… I mean, we ALL know how bad the wind can get when standing on a cliff in nothing but a vest. Yes, she lost her Miss California title because she wasn’t keeping her end of the deal with the pageant – but it didn’t stop her career on the speaking circuit espousing her conservative family values to America – and probably making a pretty penny while she did it.
Now we find Prejean has a sex tape – not a traditional sex tape à la Paris Hilton. But that's not the whopper in this whole story. Are you ready? TMZ is reporting that in Prejean’s brand new tell-all book, she has a section where she actually bashes pornography, writing:
"Unfortunately, pornography has become mainstreamed - it rushes at us through big screens, portable screens; soft-core porn is on mainstream TV cable stations, hard-core porn is just a mouse click away on the internet… the result is that girls grow up in a culture where it is hard to have an innocent, healthy, normal view of themselves, how they should behave, how they should act, and how they should dress."
She then addresses her own topless pictures saying, "Our bodies are temples of the Lord. We should earn respect and admiration for our hearts, not for showing skin to look sexy ... I have since learned that your outer beauty can only get you so far in life."
And I think Prejean has gone far enough on her outer beauty and her ridiculous family values shtick. So far, the sex tape cost her a spot as key speaker at a conservative event on family values in New Jersey this past weekend . Hopefully, that’s the beginning of the end for Prejean. She doesn’t deserve to make money off the conservative speaking circuit.
From this point forward, her career should focus solely on being the butt of as many jokes as possible.
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If she was only 17 when she made the tape couldn't Donald Trump and his lawyers be charged with possession of child pornography?
Where can I get a copy of the tape?
Who is Carrie Prejean? And why does anyone care?
She's the poster child of a hypocrite! She justifies her bad media as "freedom of speech" and being confined for her religious views, when really, she's a sad representation of either elements. Who cares if the tape was made when she was seventeen? Does that eliminate the fact that she had taken nude pictures after having insisted repeatedly that she hadn't? And to be such a strong advocate of her beliefs in Christianity-I'm sure her video wouldn't have been what Christians would hold to revere, either! Her "strong faith" and plastic boobs need a reality check-especially because she thinks the world is out to get her! You brought this all on your own, can you not see that??
Plastic, spray-painted, hypocritical idiot.
Why can't she for ONE MOMENT consider that she lost the title because she can't speak coherently? The girl who beat her (quick–does anyone remember her name?–didn't think so) was just as beautiful and quite articulate.
Quit blaming your troubles on the "liberal media" and take a good, hard look at yourself, you stupid, stupid girl. (Yes–I said stupid. Videotaping yourself in ANY sort of intimate moment is stupid, whether you're a "Christian" or not.)
First I will start by saying that I am a former beauty queen,republican, and christian. I have many gay friends and even family members. I support their right to marry and have the same rights that I have as a straight woman. My beef with Carrie is that she claims she lost the pageant because she didn't give the PC answer. NO! She did not answer the question that was asked. The response she gave was jumbled, unclear and not spoken well at all! That is why she lost the crown to MIss NC.
She was stripped of her title because she broke her contract. She signed a moral clause and broke it not once but twice! She also was not upholding her contractual obligations by making apprerances the organization had scheduled for her.
She is a hypocrite because she stated this morning on The View that she wouldn't speak of the decisions made in the closed door meeting that resulted in her dropping her lawsuit because "I signed a contract to not speak of the details and I'm not going to break that CONTRACT!
What about the contract that she signed when she became Miss California?!?
I will be the first to admit that I am not a perfect person or christian. But I don't put myself out there acting as if I am. She has brought on MOST of this herself. If you put yourself out there for the world then don't complain when not everyone stands behind what you say. If you can't handle it,step out of the spot light.
She acts like a victim but she also agreed this morning on The View that this is the best thing that has happened to her(concerning her public career) She has a book deal,public speaking appearances, and free boobs! So don't feel sorry for poor little miss Prejean.
I personally wish she'd just go away!
This is to all the folks who have commented that homosexuality is "unnatural" and a "choice": Homosexuality occurs in over 1000 species in nature. It is NOT unnatural. It is abnormal – not the norm – but it is not unnatural. And the only people I've ever met who were making a choice about their sexuality were people who were covering up their TRUE identity (Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Jim McGreevy). Think about it: we never see gay advocates getting caught in heterosexual affairs, do we? If people actually did choose to be gay, who would stick with it? It'd have a higher drop out rate than Weight Watchers. Surely Elton John would have switched back to ladies by now, right? I mean, it's been 40 years!!!
Russ (whomever you are): Let me be emphatic about this – People do not – in any way, shape, or form – choose their sexuality. It occurs naturally, in much the same way that you did not choose to be developmentally delayed (sorry for that cheap shot, but you totally deserve it)...
Hey R, Prejean didn't tell anyone how to live they're lives, she just answered a question!!!
Christians don't shove our opinions down peoples throats. They share God's Word. there is a difference. You all should be thankful for it.
She was 17 when the tape was made. A lot of us would not make the same choice at 22 that we would have at 17. That does not make us a hypocrite, just human. If she did it last month, that’s a different story. Again she was 17, give her some grace and stop being hypocrites yourself.
For any that care to know the facts, Prejean made this tape by herself (she's the only one in it) when she was 17 and sent it to her boyfriend. She regrets it, but she was 17 and a minor at the time. Probably made it to try to keep a boyfriend she wasn't going to sleep with at this age. Dumb, but did I mention that fact that she was SEVENTEEN.
A hypocrite is not someone who makes a mistake or fails to attain the standards that they set. A hypocrite is someone who sets a standard as a mere pretense, believing that that standard does not apply to them. It is very lazy to use the "hypocrite argument". Argue the ideas and points, not the person. I believe Prejean will maintain a high standard at this stage of her young life, but she might miss the mark at some points too. Perhaps she should maintain the no standards approach that many of you seem to espouse, that would be easier but also less fulfilling.
Chuck you are very wrong about Religion being the driving influence of the greatest deaths. You should support this. The Crusades only had a fraction of the deaths that just WWII had and Religion was certainly not the driving force there. I also think there is little restriction on seeing graphic sex or violence, so if you want to, you can. I don't think Christianity is preventing that, find another target for your anger.
If you all do not like Christianity or other religions, fine, no one has substantially stopped you from doing whatever you want sexually with a consenting adult. So, what is your beef with those that uphold their religious standards even if they fall short at times? Should it really matter to you? Regarding gays, do you just want to use the term marriage? Why? Because it gives it credibility because you are using the same term heterosexuals use? Why is this so important to you? Why is gay union not a satisfactory term? You can get all the rights of those that are married. But, it is different, you must agree.
Anyways, back to work.
You people are really making some weird assumptions. I was asking thru the context that if the woman made the film BEFORE she repented, that would make sense as according to the Christian religions, Christ was sent to earth for that reason. Also, asking about pro homosexual verses in the Bible, I have many friends who argue AGAINST the homosexual lifestyle by using the BIBLE. My OPINION is this; as long as you are two consenting adults it is none of my business. I am all for OPEN discussion. Alot of my homosexual friends are asking me to find anything I can, as they also consider themselves as christians. If people would have bothered to READ my first remark, I did not come out for or against gay marriage. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, with the assurence that no ONE religion would be sponsered by the federal or state governments.
Debra – your a tool!
You and all the other christians should stop shoving your opinions and your god down everyone else's throats. Mind your own business! What impact does it have on your life if two consenting homosexuals get married or not? Are you planning on moving in with them or having one of your children stay with them?
Is your house that clean that you can throw stones? The conservative right wing republicans, blindly led by their politicsa and their religion, seem to think that they can tell everyone else how to live their lives and pursue happiness – including you and Carrie Prejean.
Wake up and smell reality!
This woman is a pathological liar. Almost every statement she has made about her virtue has turned out to be a complete lie. There are no pictures, they were taken before I was 18, the wind blew my top open, etc., etc. FYI-carrie, lying is a SIN, and every time you lie, you get caught and lose more credibility. Now you have none. Stop blaming everyone else for your actions. It's called being an adult.
First, to those who keep accusing open-minded people of being hypocritical because they aren't tolerant of people like Carrie P., let me say this: tolerance of others is a value that all should follow, but that does not mean we should be tolerant of stupidity. That being said, it's amazing that in this supposedly enlightened age, there are STILL people claiming that homosexuality is a choice, that "God" made people to be either men or women and have a "natural" desire for the opposite sex. If it were as simple as that, why did "God"create hermaphrodites (e.g., Caster Semenya), who are neither men or women, but have physical traits (i.e., sex organs) of both? Sexuality is not as simple as that: it is no more natural for a straight person to desire a member of the same sex as it is for a gay person to desire someone of the opposite sex. And to suggest that a person would "choose" to be gay, and thus willfully subject themselves to a life of pain and ridicule is, well, the definition of stupidity.
Well "Debra R"...I would just have to say, that you should take your own advice on the "judge not lest ye be judged". I think its pretty obvious that Ms Prejean wasn't a "traditional family values" advocate until she was made into one by the conservative movement after the whole gay marriage question and to think otherwise, I believe is pretty naive. Fame is pretty hard to come by and the bottom line is that people will get it however they can. This was her way. Second of all, gays that are against gay marriage don't deserve to be grouped with the rest of us. So, they disapprove of their own lifestyle? Strange. Third, the Bible also preaches against shell fish and I have yet to find a passage that encourages it, but I can tell you that Red Lobster is pretty well impossible to get into on Sunday afternoon after church. If you want a strict interpretation of the Bible, than sell your daughter into slavery...
When we make bold stands and statements about what we believe in we better be ready for people to take a full-on look into our own lives. It works both ways. It would be unreasonable to think otherwise. Speak your mind if so compelled but keep in mind that you might be bringing reproach upon yourself.
It seems like so many christians are in denial about how the church actively denies others full participation in this thing we call life. Prejean spews anti-gay speech out one side of her mouth and cries the victim out of the other side. She is no victim. She is a purveyor of venomous church filled hate speech and chokes hard when some of the venom gets thrown back in her pretty eyes.
Yo Russ – So there is scientific proof that everyone is born "straight"? Why don't you heed your own advice regarding "facts". Your statement is as much opinion as anyone else's statement ragrding being "born" gay.
Oh and one other thing to keep in mind, Christian right, God doesn't write books, men do. Men who lie to control your thoughts and actions. And if it were true that God wrote books, how come the Bible expressly left out the 1st Gospel of Jesus who, and I paraphrase, stated "Do not look for me in houses of stone and wood, for I am the rock and the trees." In other words you won't find God in a church or in the opinion of other people.
No one, including this network can stand it that an attractive young women does not believe in gay marriage, what's your problem. Is it that these liberal loony tunes only hope is young people and if one of them is conservative they lose hope?
This article is ridiculous.
She says pornography is bad for the self-image of young women and is available too easily over the internet. What part of that would you argue with?
When she was 17 years old, she made private tape and sent it to her boyfriend. Embarrasing? Worthy of national debate on CNN.com? No.
I support gay marriage. But how does attacking her lead to equal rights for all?
My god people this woman is 22 years old. I am sure at 22 you were all perfect. Gay marriage has been put to a vote 31 times in various states and every time it has been voted down. President Obama's stance is against gay marriage, I dont hear any of the liberals screaming at him. She made a tape of herself that was for her and her boyfriends eyes only and he broke that trust. Where is the anger towards him liberal women? Also, do you think Christians dont have sex? Perez Hilton called this 22 year old woman disgusting names and threatened to rip the crown off her head if he saw her yet where is the outrage towards him? Why is it that the left who is always screaming about tolerance is so intolerant to people who dont agree with them.
The original article was extremely harsh, as are most of the comments posted. Someone who repents of her sins is not a hypocrite, and someone who condemns someone who is repentant by calling her a hypocrite is behaving as if repentance has no value. (Or else doesn't really ever happen)
Great strides against slavery were made by a repentant slave trader, (The author of "Amazing Grace") and this repentant slave trader was a great moral encouragement to William Wilberforce, who was successful in getting slavery banned in Britain long before American did.
We should welcome and encourage repentance, not fly off the handle in mindless rage at someone who repents by calling that person a hypocrite. And by the way, very few of us are totally free from being tinged with hypocrisy.
Her life inexperience and naivety cost what could have been a promising career. She tried to sue and failed because she fails to take any accountability for anything that's happened thus far. Don't feel pity for this one. She made her bed and still refuses to lie in it, regardless of what she was saying on Hannity.
I've been a leader of men/women in the Armed Forces for over 16 years, and if there is one thing I have stood by, it's this- never put something out there without checking your own tail for.
Accordingly other news outlets have Prejean saying, "THEY tried to embarrass me. THEY tried to humiliate me. THEY tried to attack me."
I ask: What part of "take responsibility for my own actions" does this woman not understand?
I am in a movement to stop the hate period. To much of in this world. Gays hate people who go to church. People who go to church hate Gays. And some people are just mean and hate cause they can! Say something positive to someone today.Peace.
I think she's a hypocrite. She preaches "inner beauty" yet she goes out and gets a boob job. Did she get a boob job to increase her inner beauty, I think not. (geesh)
Are we really getting upset about what a girl in a beauty contest says or does? So she's against gay marriage, who cares! I'm sure most homosexual people could really give a sh*t about what this girl has to say or what she's done. If your role model is a beauty contest girl you have bigger problems to deal with!
I am a Chrisitian but do not agree with what she has done. Her actions are hypocritical and people who do what she has done is what has eroded people's view of anyone who calls themselves a Christian. I am not perfect, have made mistakes but believe that we all have to answer for our own actions. I believe that if you are against homosexuality then you need to also be against all of the other sins that God has expressed to us. I cannot throw any stones because I have sinned but also believe that Jesus' message was to love each other. The person should be held close but the sin held away. Our society has decieded that judgmentalism is the way to be. All it creates is barriers and hatefullness.
Why do people here get so angry at Christians? It sounds like maybe you feel threatened by them. Bad Christians! They want us to have morals in life.
For all those bashing Carrie Prajean...I'm willing to bet not one of you has heard her in an interview or read anything she's written. You just read stuff written about her. You just see the words "Christian" and "conservative" – and the anger sets in. Carrie is the first to say she is not perfect and that she has made mistakes. She recognizes she is young and still makes mistakes. But the minute you find out a Christian is not perfect then they're a hypocrite? Gimme a break! The hypocrisy is that so many of you view Carrie as intolerant for not agreeing with your liberal views yet you're even more intolerant of the views that she espouses to.
What sex tape? Just because CNN blathers about a "sex tape", I certainly am not stupid enough to think this young woman made a "sex tape". What's on it. Is she simply undressing, perhaps filmed by a boy friend who peddled the the? Who knows. All I DO KNOW, is after years of being told illegals only take jobs that no American wants, that we needed to invade Iraq because it had WMD's and nuclear weapons that it was going to use against us, that "free trade" was a good thing for this country, that job outsourcing and those 40 million jobs shopped off to China and India weren't going to hurt us, that... You get the picture? The press LIES to us routinely. You reprint garbage from whatever Administration is currently in charge without one shred of research. Our politician's, all of them, from both parties, are lying subhuman cockroaches, vermin that answer to and represent the wealthy and connected snakes on Wall Street and in corporate board rooms. So, PLEASE, tell me, why should I or anyone else believe anything you report, especially with regards to a "sex tape" that may or may not exist, one that no one describes and, evidently, one that no one has seen.
It's interesting to witness the "tolerance" of left-wingers on this site.
And since when does being a Christian and not being perfect make you a hypocrate?
Christians are people that have beliefs base on the Bible of what is right and wrong. They are still people and make mistakes.
The difference I see between Christians and Christian-bashers is that Christians know what is right and still make mistakes whereas Christian-bashers also make mistakes but don't like being told that something is right or wrong and therefore do not have to feel guilty.
By the way, I'm a Christian and sometimes I'll slip up and lie. Sometimes I'll even slip up and look at porn. The Bible does say, "judge not lest you also be judged." However, pointing out to someone that something is wrong is not the same as judging them. How is anyone supposed to know what is right or wrong if you don't inform them of it. Jesus pointed out people's sins to them countless times but he never judged them for their sins.
God Bless Texas and God Bless the USA
Hey, Susan Seville, I just wanted to tell you that you warmed my heart, and your son is a lucky man to have you as a mother. Too often these boards are filled with hate and irrational mudslinging. Thank you for speaking from your experience, and hopefully providing some perspective to those who just don't understand. Best wishes to your family, your son and his partner. And thank you for your post. I needed it today.
First of all, if you know you have skeletons in your closet–don't go around condemning others. People who come to God later in life need to remember that while they may have repented, their past is still part of who they are and will be as they go on in life. She is one of the worst kinds of people–speaking against things she has no experience with and that she wishes she hadn't done.
She made a dirty video–own it.
And as for all the conservatives against gay marriage–what makes having male genitalia and female genitalia the basis for a solid and secure relationship? Half of all straight marriages end in divorce, so lets not act like its some divine right. Straight people throw that commitment out the window faster than they can order a Big Mac.
We need to go back to the separation of Church and State. Marriage has become the final frontier for those proporting to want to cling to traditional values. I don't care who anyone wants to sleep with–that is not the business of the masses. Marriage is a union between two people who want to honor and protect each other–not some sacred blessing only God bestows on a man who loves a woman–we are all God's people, just because you don't find it in the Bible doesn't mean that homosexuality is wrong. He made all of us right? or to all you Christians out there–did he just create an abomination for you to condemn for the fun of it?
Everyone needs to fall off their high horse–and hard.
Anyone who has to tell that you they are a 'Christian', is not really a Christian.
...I mean I think it was horrible what they did to Carrie at that dance. She was not popular but they dumped all that blood on her when she got up on the stage. She DID get her revenge though! That will teach you all for messing with Carrie and saying bad things about her...LOOKOUT!!!
The tape that was made could not have been done that long ago...if it was she would have been charged with distribution of child pornography.
she will distort the facts to make it look better for her.
Bottom line she is a hypocrite. Who does she think she is criticizing others for their beliefs and think she is above criticism when warranted.
The media is providing a stage for all these right wing nut opinionated freaks and allowing them to make money off of it.
Yes, the bible was written by men,and your point is! just get over that crap. However, regurdless of who wrote the Bible God message would still be the same. Which is, gay marriage is wrong period! Also lets not forget the the Lord also hate's Sexual relations between unmarried couple's as well. In the end God will judge and there is going to be alot of unhappy people in the end. If you don't believe me go read the book of Mathew and see for yourself that a marrage is between a man and a women.
Tolerance does not equal acceptance or people validating your views or belief system....where does the Gay community, get off thinking that tolerance means that we have to agree you are right and good in God's eyes...That's what this is all about....if you want to be Gay, go do it in your own home, but shame on you for getting upset that people won't VALIDATE or AGREE with you....tolerance means "up to this point, no further"....not agreeing or accepting your views as valid.
The Gay movement is not happy unless everyone agrees and validates and pats them on the back and says "YOu know what? You're good in my eyes and God's eyes too"....they won't stop until they hear that from people. Gays have ZERO tolerance for people that won't validate their lifestyles.....you are either FOR them or AGAINST them....they leave no middle ground and that's the problem. They create their own polarized issue since most if not all Christians I know don't hate Gays or want to discriminate against them, but they are almost universally tired of being made to be FOR or AGAINST Gays.....can't we just disagree with your lifesteyle without you all getting pissy on us? I guess not, as evidenced by your attacks on Carrie....it had nothing to do with anything but her view on Gay marriage.
I am betting the same people demonizing Carrie Prejean are the same ones demonizing Sarah Palin....it's not about hypocrisy, it's about you wanting someone to validate your beliefs.
Don't you understand that by undermining Carrie, Sarah Palin and others you are destroying your own freedom at the same time.............
It's always a one way street with the Gay community.....ZERO tolerance toward Christians, yet they want all these news laws aimed at just them and it's just wrong and completely unnecessary....
Conservatism as a life philosophy can be summed up in three phases :
Do as I say, not as I do.
I got mine and to hell with anyone else, if they're suffering its because they're lazy and/or sinful.
When facts disagree with my opinions or beliefs, it is the facts that are wrong. I'll just find someone to come up with some new "facts" that agree with me, and these shall be gospel truth in the face of all else, no matter how illogical or unverifiable my new "facts" are. Anyone who might be smarter and/or better educated than I am is a traitor/devil worshiper by definition (unless they agree with me), and anything they say can be safely dismissed out of hand in favor of my gut feeling.
And the rider to to the above :
Any reaction to my beliefs that is not total, uncritical agreement is treason, and serves as absolute proof that whoever disagrees is a freedom-hating communist who eats babies for Satan. I will respond to any point they make with "Why do you hate America/Freedom/Capitalism/Jesus ?" until they go away, whereupon I will claim total victory.
Simply see the wingnut commentary above for examples.
Prejean is right about one thing: if Sean Hannity had spoken of her as Keith Olberman has, he WOULD be take off the air. Hannity is employed to praise people like Carrie Prejean, who claim to be the "victims" of gay people. He would be fired for telling the truth, and not hewing to Faux News's company line. On the other hand, if Prejean had lost the crown for SUPPORTING gay marriage (as in most years she would have been; Perez Hilton as a judge is not something that is common at beauty pageants), you wouldn't hear Hannity standing up for her "free speech" right to win a beauty pageant (a right she seems to thing she intrinsically has, and which she believes can only be denied her by foul and illegitimate means). In fact, Prejean's answer wasn't just intolerant, it was factually incorrect (gays do not have the choice in America of whether or not to marry, unless they live in certain places) and stupidly phrased. One of the things we expect from the winners is that they be a little glib when they're asked a question. And some of the girls on that stage may even have been using their own natural breasts.
I don't find her to be a hypocrite. I find her to be a girl who has made mistakes and has admitted to those mistakes but still believes what she did was wrong and that it is still wrong to do those things. We all make mistakes like this. We all say things we believe in but if someone dug into our pasts they would find things we have done that contradict our beliefs. We are imperfect people. We can truly believe something but that doesn't mean we don't fall down and make mistakes that go against our beliefs.
When was this tape made? No one has said yet when it was made. She is a young girl. Think of some of the stupid things we have all done as young kids that we would probably not want made public or that we regret. We all have regrets in life and we have all done things we are not proud of. But that doesn't mean we don't believe in the things we say. No one is perfect and people need to start understanding that. Is this how you all would act if your own son or daughter were caught in a web of mistakes and bad decisions? My guess is that you would love them anyway and try to help them get back to a better path. How is beating this girl down going to help her?
2 points I see on here all the time.
People ask "how do you know" that people are all born straight? I ask, how do you know that you are "born gay". I am merely going with what is natural. People say, well, there are many animals that are gay. hmmm, so you want to compare yourselves to a couple of dogs humping in the street, huh? well, I just might have to reconsider...
Another thing people always do is say if you are against gay "marriage" it is the same as being against interracial marriage (which, I really don't like that idea either) . Too bad most blacks are also against gay "marriage" and even resent being brought into the argument. Your argument kind of loses steam then, huh?
All of you that are calling her a hypocrit for having a meant-for-private-only "sex tape" because she's a christian obviously know NOTHING about christianity.
Christianity states that EVERYONE sins.
Also, she says she's against porn. That tape was not meant for public use. Nothing hypocritical about what she said.
It's funny how atheists/liberals claim to be experts are christianity.
Sin is sin. Pontificating on another's sin is wrong. Equally wrong is trying to justify or excuse one sin by pointing out the sins of others. We will all stand or fall on our own merits, not the righteous or unrighteous opinions of others. Perhaps Christians should simply encourage others to consider the possiblity of a real relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Since Jesus is Lord, its only his judgments that will matter in the end. Blessings to all in this discussion.
Sour grapes. Gay men don't like the fact that she, a beautiful woman, helped Prop 8 crush "Gay Marriage;" hence all the snarky sniping comments from the sore losers.
Lol u actually want to follow blindly to everything created by the medical association...
Nobody is born gay.
Like nobody is born a rapist.
Or a murderer.
Or even a doctor
The choice of it is what makes the difference.
Hypocrite or not, Carrie sure is smart. She won't be fading into obscurity like 99% of other Miss Californias. The Miss USA pageant is pure entertainment – nothing of societal value ever comes from Donald Trump. It was to make money and cause sensation. Why else make Perez Hilton a judge? They were hoping for a Jerry Springer moment and they got one. They main characters here all got exactly what they wanted – with the exception, perhaps, of the actual winner of the pagaent.
This is really so funny reading all the coments about how if she made this tape before or after. It does not matter, the fact is she made it. Now you can bible thump and preach the scriptures all you want but the reality of the whole situation is she went around preaching her conservative beliefs and oop[s, pictures showed up, and oops a tape has shown up.
When you send a tape, whether to a boyfriend or not containg graphic video then you shouldn't be surprised if it shows back up. if you go around the country spreading what you consdier conservative and moral values then you better make damn sure there is nothing out there that will come back to haunt you.
I think she got so caught up with her new found fame she overlooked all that could happen.
Do I feel sorry for her?
NOT ONE BIT!
Is she getting what she deserves..YOU BETCHA!
Now..go away and play with your breast imnplants
Maybe your "best friend" will see your post. Hopefully she'll never need to know if you'd save her from a burning building.
There are many "Do as I say, not as I do." Christians out there. In fact, we have a whole political party that prides itself on "family values", yet somehow believes it ok to lie about every issue, carry racist signs, and exhonorate their own who have affairs and bribe their girlfriend's parents or fly off for a romp in Argentina.
We're all hypocrites to some extent. But it seems that many liberals would only accept a person being for family values if they renounced all materialism and dressed in Little House On The Prairie clothes. And if someone with "Family Values" sins then you condemn them for being a hypocrite?
The difference being that a liberal will not tell you how to live. You can make up your own mind on what you want to do. Conservative/crazy Christians try to dictate that others must live by THEIR interpretation of a book written by goat herders 2000 years ago. That by its self must liberals could ignore (like how we ignore the religious fantatics that come to our doors). But the conservatives/crazy Christians take it a step father and try to make LAWS that dictate that everyone has to live how THEY say.
Do you see the difference?
How many guys out there have watched a sex tape or looking at a topless picture of a woman and were thinking at the time...man that chick must be conservative and a champion of family values. Wow...next time I'm voting for Huckabee. NOT.
For many will come, claiming my name...And many will be mislead by them. Hmm.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism...
beauty queens and all their ilk, who have no talents beyond their
ability to parade in front of people, have to be the greatest believers in heterosexual marriage, They usually are very conservative, because they need to count on men to support them once they start to lose their youth and market value.
We are all hypocrits – Christians are taught that there is no-one rightious on this earth, not even one, that is why we need a savior. Carrie's past or present failings do not make her anymore a hypocrit than anyone else. we all fall every day and can be picked up each day with God's help. That is the point of Chritianity, it is not what WE do that matters, it is what GOD does in our lives that counts. The secular world is all about self – God is all about others first. For those who disbute the Bible, unless you are willing to accept God in your life you will never understand the Bible nor its teachings, apart from God that is impossible.
I find it interesting how the very ppl who are accusing christians of being hypocrites are hypocritical as well. Practice what you preach... And yes I am a proud Christian... Am i perfect or free from sin; no I am not.. But for that matter neither are u. So to those who are biased against Christians, you really should evaluate yourselves a little deeper before accusing someone of being a hypocrite.
Debra R November 9th, 2009 2:53 pm ET There is also the Bibical saying "judge not lest ye be judged"
Wile I would tend to agree with the tenor of the above statement, I think it is hugely hypocritical. The so-called religious right is a main part of the conservative movement. Yet I never see this attitude unless it is convenient for their argument.
For example, I don't recall anyone at all on the right bringing this up when it was Bill Clinton's moral issues that were the in play in the press. Most of the Republican party hated Bill Clinton and were looking for any excuse to make him look bad. Their was no RESTRAINT on their part as you are now asking us to do with Carrie Prejean.
Your ox is now being gored...so you trot out the Bible. I am not buying it.
"Thou shall not inject salt water implants into thy self?.is not a verse from the Bible but she did call her body a temple of God and all that BS! So why show it off and look sexualized and enhance that sexualization with implants and make up, etc? She got famous NOT for being a good Christian but for being a sex icon! You betta believe it! THAT is why she is a hypocrite now. Not for her views on gay marriage!
Oh please please please let this be the end of her fifteen minutes. I agree all the way that she should be the butt of as many jokes as possible. At the same time let's do the same to Paris, Jon and Kate, Sarah Palin, the Kardashians (whoever they are), Lindsay Lohan, not to mention Brit Spears
Thanks Debra R. you are right. Carrie stood up for her Christian beliefs and millions applaud her for that. There is no Christian without sin, we make mistakes, but it does not change our beliefs. It's true there is no where in the Bible that says homosexuality is ok in fact it warns against it. I have gay friends but and they know exactly where I stand on gay issues and some actually agree. What happened to freedom of speech? The left can say anything and be praised but the right is condemned for standing up for the very values and ideals this country was founded ipon. Freedom is for everyone, stop overreacting!
Don't blame God for your prejudice.
I respect anyboy that stands out for theirs believe and she is entitle to express them without being punish. Unfortunately all the sexy fotos and now sex tapes scandal are coming accorss as someone that is not practicing what is preaching. As a catholic you learn that you should never throw the first stone because we all have a past that sooner or later will bite you in the $$$ and her past is doing that.
well fortunately or rather unfortunately if you really think about it, one of us will be right. and I'd hate to be the wrong...
No one has to agree with gay marriage to allow it to be legal. It can still be something you disagree with, but since when do you have to agree with everything legal that someone ELSE does?
The only people gay marriage has anything to do with is... gay people who want to get married. No one else should have any say in it, whether they agree with it or not.
Live and let live. Or don't complain when some of your rights are taken away someday by a large group of people who don't happen to agree with you about something.
Also, ask yourselves this: why hasn't the world come crashing down yet in the states where gay marriage has been legal for some time now? It obviously hasn't changed anything except that gays have the same marriage rights. No straight marriages have been endangered by these laws.
To sum up: it's not anyone else's business to start with, and it's not hurting anyone where it's already in practice... so... what's the problem other than people are bigots?
Oh thank God she's the only one that has done something stupid while younger that she regrets. She is taking responsibility for this, and doesn't seem to be denying or trying to bury it, she seems embarrassed by it.
Why has the fact that every time Gay marriage comes to a vote it is defeated? Every time. Yet she spoke what the majority thinks and she's bad.
I respect your position on homosexuality based on your faith, but, in our country, when you impose your religious beliefs on others, particularly through a system of law, I can't find much that distinguished you from The Taliban.
Take peace from your beliefs and comfort in your faith, but remember, it's YOUR faith. Just what part of the Constitution don't you get?
She is just another run of the mill "right wing-nut" hiding behind values and religion (which should be banned in all forms BTW), in an attempt to hide the real person under the "V-like" skin on the outside. A true Republican. She is insignificant, and will probably disappear from public view fairly soon. Sarah Palin should take note...
The only bigger hypocrite on the planet is Sara Palin.
A person can have a strong conviction about an issue even though they may be involved in other questionable activities.
We are humans. We are not perfect. We make mistakes.
Gay marriage is immoral and unethical.
I think those telling CNN not to judge Carrie need to remember that she has passed judgement on many things since being in the spotlight including the media, the pagent, and now porn. While it's Christian to forgive, it's not Christian to profit from one's redemption. That's self-serving and the point is to serve God. I think Carrie likes attention and she unintentionally fell into it and was seduced by it. I don't question her beliefs, but no matter how she seeks attention both before or after becoming a Christian she has sought after it every chance she can.
We all know she "leaked" her sex tape for more exposure. This woman makes me sick. She needs to go away.
@Camile: I assume that you do not eat shellfish, then.
The bible says that's an abomination, just like homosexuality. And if you live by the bible, you should live by ALL of it, right?
Have you sold your daughter into slavery, yet?
The bible is an ancient book, written by ancient men to control society. It shouldn't be taken seriously!
When you find a perfect human being...let me know. There was only one, Christ Jesus.
You have any skeleton's in your closet?
The vast majority of religious conservatives are hypocritical. Everything they say & do is filled with contradictions. They endlessly preach God's love & demand that everyone live their lives (supposedly) as they do.
But as soon as they get caught doing something they preach against (such as gay sex, affairs in Argentina, drug abuse, nude pics, etc etc etc), they quickly explain their indiscretions as a "weak moment" or I was young & naive ... & of course, they always mention that God has already forgiven them, how convenient!
Stop preaching to other people how they should live their lives. YOU are not perfect & if God loves YOU after YOUR mistakes, then surely God loves others when they make mistakes.
Religious conservatives should focus on changing their own behaviour before they set expectations for others. It's called tolerance, try it.
Debra R would like someone to point out where in the Bible homosexuality is condoned before endorsing gay marriage? Here's the reason why people are sick of conservatives in this country...you're supposed to be asking "what does the Constitution say about gay marriage?" The Christian Bible is not the basis of laws in this country! If you want to live in a country where the government takes its instruction from a religious document, move to the Middle East. Just because your professed religion is in the majority, take no safety from a government that starts to legislate based on your own religious views – you may not be in that majority forever, or in all circumstances.
I think Carrie is using this situation to get a few bucks, but the left that demonize her are just as bad as the right vaulting her. After all she just answered a question that was put to her and she did a terrible job of it, but it was not DIE HOMOS DIE! It was the visceral reaction of the left calling her vile names and painting her as some sort of monster that then made the right take notice of her and they painted a halo and wings on this woman. Neither picture is real or true. I’m sure she is not a paragon of virtue but neither is she a succubus. Everyone needs to chill out.
Prejean took the EXACT stance as Obama on gay marriage.....why are you not bashing his views? Talk about HYPOCRITE!!! Oh, but if your an Obama supporter you can't talk about that...that would be bad.
Now, everyone, drink your kool-aide and everything will be alright.....
I wholeheartedly agree......She's a fake trying to make money.....now she's a has been and deserves no more mentions in the media. TMZ reported the tape shows that ..... she was........taking care of herself.........and this is the moral high ground of the conservative movement!?!?!? LMAO ......go figure.......
Dear DebraR – LOL – If you look further in the Lot story, which is usually where so many of you find solace in anti homosexuality – you will find that daughters having sex with their father is promoted and condoned? OOPS – A man shall not lie with another man as a woman, but banging the children is okay? So many fail to read the entire bible, just the parts that they want to use to bash
When God was describing various kinds of sin (I DO HOPE U BELIEVE IN GOD), Homosexuality is one of the few things that GOD himself has called an "Abomination". Reference point, Sodom and Gomorrah, research as find out WHY GOD wiped it from the face of the earth and history all together.
I have to admit I haven't picked up the Bible lately but didn't Jesus supposedly come to earth to create a new bond with God and that the Old Testament was to be ignored and brotherly love and the freedom to eat whatever you wanted was the new rule??
And someone posted the fact that the US is supposed to have separation of church and state so why do we have to listen to the so called "moral" majority tell gays that they can't be married? In the US you don't have to have a church wedding. And by the way....I'm straight and married! I have no problem with gays marrying. Why shouldn't they? And yes the Old Testment DOES condone slavery AND multiple marriages. Since the Bible tells us it's ok, should we go back to those days too? And if I'm not mistaken the Bible mentioned somewhere about women covering their hair. That means Islam has that right! All of us women should be wearing headscarves!
Prejean has had her 15 minutes of fame....it's time to move on to the next silicone symbol of what "beauty" is supposed to represent.
i don't care when she repented or any of that. She new she was full of it when she started this whole thing. She is an opportunist and all she cares about is celebrity period. This is about being onthe front page not being a humanitarian of any sort. She needs to shut it and go away like Sara Palin the other celebrity whore!!!
Is everyone saying that she is a sinner? Is she really not perfect? That is a shock! A human being that is not perfect. Imagine that. As all of you work so hard to tear her down, remember that being Christian has nothing to do with being perfect but being forgiven. As far as people being gay, nobody is condemning anyone. As Christians, we are to love the sinner but hate the sin. Are you saying that gay people are nothing but a product of their actions and so by condemning their behavior that we are condemning them? Seems awful small thinking if that is the thinking. There are some in religious circles who get that confused but Jesus didn't and I have not heard where Carrie has either. Try to remember that when you attempt to supress the voice of opposition by pointing fingers at their character that for every finger you you point at the behavior that you are pointing at least 2-3 fingers at yourself and your actions.
Carrie gave an answer to a question that was against some people's world view and they can't stand it. They talk trash because they don't want others to have the freedom to see the world in a different way.
I saw her on the Today show this morning.
She said that her freedom of speech is being ridiculed, and then said that if Sean Hannity said the things about her that Keith Olberman has said that he would be taken off the air!
What about free speech? Oh, that only applies to Ms. Prejean I guess.
Then she said this:
'Donald Trump came and meeted us.'
I swear – that is what she said. 'He meeted us'.
So she's not only a hypocrit, she's also illiterate. Fine example to show 'conservatism' for the fakery that it is.
I just love how she said "Our bodies are temples of the Lord. We should earn respect and admiration for our hearts, not for showing skin to look sexy"
Wow. What does she think a pageant is? Why would she get a boob job? Now there's a sex tape?? Holy Crap!!
Hypocrit. to the Nth degree.
TO Debra R:
Please read: Romans 1:22-28.
She claims she was underage when she made the video. Other teens have done the same thing and been charged with distributing child pornography. Is she going to be charged?
Be very careful about condemning anyone in this matter. That is, unless you have absolutely zero skeletons in your past. We have all done dumb things that we wish we could change. We all try to grow past those mistakes and become a better person. Do we honestly think that people can't change and start living according to a new set of values than those that that had when there were younger? Hypocrisy is one thing. Growing and becoming a better person is something completely different.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Personally even though it does not mirror my personal opinion, I originally applauded her bravery in stating an actual opinion to a question rather than the meaningless drivel usually served up.
Since then everything from refusing to honor her contract commitments to clearly trying to milk the noise surrounding her existence has grown tiresome.
She is on the path to being marginalized. A position she deserves.
Hmmm, let's see if I have this straight...
Carrie Prejean had sex in front of a camera, so now she can no longer voice her disapproval of gay marriage? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense! You people are real Einsteins, huh?
What a good, Christian girl!
We have all been hypocrites at one time or another in our lives. We are all human and fallible. That's why I am so glad there is a God.
What century are you living in? It's hard to imagine anyone still believing that all people are born straight and that some then go on to choose to be gay. A persons sexuality is determined before birth. Do some research, will ya'? Not a single major medical association would accept your ridiculous statement.
Nothing wrong with a PRIVATE sex tape for you and your partner. That is not "hypocritcal"
The far left always seems upset by so-called hypocrasy. When someone on the right falls out of line they jump all over it. I would say that since most on the far left just do not have values, morlas, or sound judgement, they need this to feel better about their own shortcomings. Kind of a "ha! they did it so I don't feel so bad for doing the immoral stuff I do!"
The difference is, at least on the right they strive for some sort of value system, especially with kids. It doesn't mean everyone is perfect and they never claim to be. The far left just tends to say 'screw it all' and offers up no moral guidelines, even for kids.
Sad...say something about gay marriage and get condemed...so much for the 1st Ammendment for those who are not politically driven and speak with personal bias.
Yet another media-slanted population-control attempt...and we always fall for it.
Why not start covering real stories about current events that extend beyond fancy dresses and five course menu's...oh, that would take you going out into the real world where people are loosing their jobs, houses and stability that this country has not seen since the 1930's.
Start being a jouralist...
For all of you Bible quoters out there: The Bible also guides on you on how much you should pay for a slave. So do you really want to use this as your guidebook on morality? I surely don't!
Prejean has no visible talents except one. The ability to be a hipocrite...and everyone that buys into her lies should take a long look at themselves, except , as you all know, that will never happpen. She is absolutely WORTHLESS!
To clarify: If she became a christian after the tape it is possible that she has repented....that is the whole reason behind Christ's sacrifice for a christian perspective
For you judgers out there: I neither condone nor support gay marriage. I personally don't care. Thank you very much to Robert who was the only person who responed to my questions with answers instead of accusations. I have christian friends who ask me about finding proof that the Bibile condones homosexuality. I have been unable to find anything.
Get off your high horse Martin. She says she doesn't believe in gay marriage. She never said she was a saint. Some people just want to start s*%t if anyone dare speak out against immoral acts.
Let's see ... She lied on her Miss California application stating she'd never posed nude ... pics came out and she said "Oh, I forgot about those, they are modeling shots." Guess she forgot about the sex tape too. She said on Today this morning that she did it when she was 17 and it was OK because she was by herself and she did it for her boyfriend. Hello??? Porn is porn, whether you are by yourself or with a crowd. She was filing a countersuit against the Miss California organization when they asked her to pay back the money used for the breast implants. Then the sex tape surfaces and she suddenly drops the suit. She would do well to drop out of sight and quit trying to make a buck by saying she's a "good little girl who's been badmouthed and talked about." If you can't stand the heat, leave the kitchen.
See, I don't really care what it says in the Bible about homosexuality or anything else, because I don't believe in the Bible. And that is my right under the US Constitution. If you believe in it, that's fine. That's your right under the same document. But just shut up about it already and stop trying to force other people to accept it.
As for Ms Prejean, who the heck is she? She has no more moral authority than the milkman or the lady at the deli counter. Why anybody would think a bottle-blond, boob-enhanced hypocrite participant in a T&A contest knows more than anyone else about morality is beyond me.
I cannot speak to the particulars of Ms. Prejean, as I am not, nor should I be, privy to her personal matters.
It is important to remember that followers of Jesus Christ are held to a high standard and are commanded to be perfect. God stated "... be holy as I am holy." In 1 John 1:8-9, God's word says "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
Thus, while we are forgiven of our sins and are held to the highest of standards (that being of Jesus Christ), we still will stumble. Therefore, we followers of Jesus are "hypocrites" by definition.
Fortunately, God gives us mercy and grace through His son, Jesus. "But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." – Romans 5:8
Sometimes we do things we don't think are right. We all lie at least once. Take something we shouldn't. Think bad thoughts about people we shouldn't. Everyone does this. Does that make us hypocrites? Perhaps, but I just think it makes us normal. If this is to discredit Christian values because "all Christians are hypocrites" keep in mind every person in the Bible made mistakes, Moses, David, Peter, Elijah, Samson, pick any name you like. (Except Jesus of course). That doesn't mean they were hypocrites, it means they are people who made mistakes and did things they knew weren't right.
I encourage you to read 1 Corithians 6:9 and Romans 1:26 and 27.
The Bible clearly states that God does not approve same sex unions/relationships.
i believe carrie prejean should run for senator. i'm sure david vitter and john ensign would welcome a fellow christian.
I put her right in line behind Gov. Palin. Both of them are HOT. and I support whatever they undertake to do. Most of the lib fems that can't stand them look more manly than the President they elected so naturally they're jealous.
I find it amazing how so many Christians need to spend more time with a dictionary instead of the Bible.
Here's a word. "Empathy". The Christian Bible bunch need to be capable of empathy to understand how many people DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE.
Are you capable of understanding that? Cabable of putting yourselves in the shoes of someone who sees the Bible as just a book that makes a lot of people self righteous and judgemental?
So to the "Debra R's" of the world who want someone to point out where the bible says homosexuality is ok, suggesting that that is the only place that should matter (to anyone.), have some empathy and recognize how many people do not care what the Bible says and will never read it.
I agree with some aspects that Debra R...but........she stands up there and yells at all different types of people and judges others herself. The bible, in the old testement people were stoned for adultry. DEBRA.....because you believe in the Bible, does that make it right to force certain views from that Bible onto others? This is and always has been the simple question that needs to be ask...."Who is to say...that your view of religion is the correct view"...NO ONE CAN, and you honestly have no legal, honest, and full proof that the Bible is the GO TO FOR EVERYTHING. YES, certain things from the Bible like murder and stealing should be base points for laws, not because it comes from the Bible but because you would have a general breakdown of society if you allowed those types of things to openly happen and go unpunished. Looking at marriage....Gay marriage isn't the problem with straight marriage....its straight people. LOOK AT THE DIVORCE RATE.....straight people (like myself, once divorced) cannot take marriage seriously. The two gay people living down the street from you isn't a threat to your marriage, its the porn on the computer a person views when their partner goes to bed or isn't home, its the lustful thoughts they think when out with friends about someone else, its the fact that straight marriage is a joke, and the divorce rate proves it. Until STRAIGHT COUPLES can respect the institution of marriage, why should you make laws that protect said "Institution of Marriage". For damn sakes....It is estimated that 40% of all marriages have ended in divorce as of 2008. This 40% number isn't because BILL/BOB or JANET/STACY are living together down the street from you, having OMG.....gay relations behind a closed door, or wanting to have the same legal rights that you had in your first marriage and (funny) now have in your SECOND marriage (because the first one just didn't work out lol).
Then the main thing Ms Carrie Prejean needs to remember is this, and this is why I can't stand church, tv ministers, and other people who act holy'r than thou....."The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable." Brennan Manning
This is what is wrong with people like her, and this is why people are giving her such a hard time. If she just stood there, answered the question and didn't use it has a soap box and not jump on the train with all the conservative talk show and news media people for her chance at fame........this would not be news. Like they say, "you reap what you sow " and "don't throw stones when your house is made of glass" I have no sorrow for this girl, never have and never will. I let people live their lives, don't directly and I MEAN DIRECTLY IMPACT ME and we will get along fine....only because I have lived and continue to live a life that may not be viewed by some people has the best....but I have fun, i take care of my responsibilities and that is all that matters. Good bye to Carrie when she decides to fade away like she should have 30seconds into her 15 minutes of fame.
I'd like to start by saying I'm not a fan of Ms Prejean, however the girl was asked a question in a beauty contest and she answered what she believed in her christian upbringing, she doen't believe in gay marriage. Who cares, she's was in a beauty contest not a member of congress, a spokes person for the whitehouse or a UN delegate. I am sorry but if your rolemodel or your childs rolemodel is a beauty contest winner, well your life is pretty sad. People are free to have an opinion even if it's different from you and me.
As for her being a hypocrite, I disagree. She made mistakes in her past, that doen't make her a hypocrite it makes her a faulty person like the rest of us. I know I've done thing wrong in the past that i realise now it was wrong. If I robbed someone in the past and now fight against crime I'm I a hypocrite or a person that changed there life?
Please can we not hear anymore about this hypocrite. Please let her fade into obscurity. Obviously she is not the brightest bulb on the tree.Good bye Carrie, do yourself a favor and just stop talking
Actually, we are born stupid. As we grow, some get smart.
Hello! Carrie has a new book out, forward by Sean Hannity. More short words for the right wing book clubs. Well-spun media appearances will make dumb look intelligent, dark look light, and sex tapes look, uhhhh, like, errrrrrrr, artsy?
btw The Bible condones slavery. We seem to have overcome that slip-up.
I am a Christian. I have had a boob job. I have made at least one sex tape in my life. I have dabbled in alcohol. I curse. I mess up everyday of my stinking life. I thank God that by God's grace I am saved. I believe that this lady answered ONE question about gay marriage. I'm not sure but I'm guessing it was do you believe in gay marriage. Her answer should not have brought about so much controversy. Her answer was her own personal opinion and I do not believe she should be criticized for it. I do not judge gay people, straight people, porn people, etc. and I do not judge this lady. I have enough sins stacked up in my past and I am struggling with sin everyday that I don't have enough time to keep up with everyone else's. Please stop talking about Christianity like it is a plague. And a preacher's job in the pulpit is to preach/teach God's word. The man in the pulpit is no better than you, me, or this lady here. He is only a tool being used by God. So as far as practicing what he / preach – it is very hard to do but thank God he is not keeping score....we do not enter heaven by our works. We enter heaven through Jesus Christ his son. I won't quote scripture, but if you do have time, please read these passages: Romans 3:23; John 3:3; John 3:16; John 14:6; Acts 17:30; Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:20-21; Romans 10:9-10; Acts 8:36-37.
She could have used the sex tape revelation as a springboard for a really deep, meaningful book aimed at millions of teen girls who feel pressured to do things like make sex tapes for their boyfriends or take off their tops for beads at Mardi Gras. Instead she wrote a holier-than-thou, self-idolizing piece of garbage that won't help anyone but herself, her manager, and her accountants.
And for anyone who says that being gay is a choice that came be overcome by becoming closer to God/Jesus... just look at how much being "closer" to God helped Carrie Prejean! She's plastic, fake, and naked all over the web... I think I'd rather be gay and have an ounce of self-respect than pay lip service to God but make a donkey's behind out of myself in public on a daily basis.
You know.. this difference between her and you is that she simply answered a question (she was asked). You, on the other hand, are trying (desparately) to jam your opinion down my throat. I don't care about you or your idiot opinions – or I'd ask for them.
Since when having a different opinion/belief illegal in the United States? Should she be whipped and burnt at the stake? She simply does not agree with this concept.. RESPECT THAT! Get over it and move on!
I just watched her on the Today Show and talk about HYPOCRITE! She said in her book that her body is a Temple....but then defends her making the sex tape..saying it was only between her and her boyfriend...AS A TEENAGER.
She then goes on to say that the "Liberal Media" wont do this to Michelle Obama or Judge Sonya Sontamoyoyr (spelling, sorry)...Those two ladies DONT HAVE A SEX TAPE. Trust me if there was one it would have come out a long time ago
Double Standards HYPOCRITE is the word for Carrie Prejean (beisdes some other choice ones!)
Being Catholic, I understand and admire the Christian concept of "judge not lest ye be judged," but in Carrie's case, "practice what you preach" would seem more appropriate. The issue here is hypocrisy, and there is no question that Carrie is a hypocrit. One concrete example is when she declares that the body is the Lord's temple. A devout Christian wouldn't desicrate that temple and get breast implants for the sake of vanity, which is one of the seven deadly sins. It seems to be that Carrie is the one pointing fingers and judging everyone who openly behaves the way she does in secret. She cast the first stone, and she was hardly without sin.
Its all just a scam, people. Perez Hilton, Donald Trump and Carrie Prejean were in on it from the beginning. It's the new star-making process in the age of the blog.
Perez increased his visability. $$$
Prejean increased her visability. $$$
Donald Trump and his Miss USA Pagent got free promotion and probably a portion of all of Prejean's profits from her speaking engagements. $$$
The media lapped it all up because they are suckers for 'news' about bimbos.
And at the end of the day, Christianity was made to look bad, once again.
Lesson: don't put your faith into somebody you don't know.
Carrie Prejean, like Joe the "Plumber" and the rest of the right-wingnut noise machine, is a hypocritical idiot. Now she (and they) can go away!
I find it interesting that people are quoting bible verses like "judge not lest ye be judged" or "he who is without sin........." in defense of Miss Prejean, yet somehow it doesn't apply to homosexuality. There seems to be a lot of picking and choosing when those lessons apply. Isn't it hypocritical to invoke scripture to serve your own purpose, then totally ignore it when it serves someone you disagree with? And as for Debra R, The Bible does not condone homosexuality, but there is little that is said about it in general, and the translation of the very few verses is controversial. Also, Jesus never said a single thing about the topic. He socialized with prostitutes and beggars. The lesson here is that Prejean is being hypocritical and so are the rest of us. The difference is that we aren't abusing a captive audience to forward hate speech or for monetary gain (remember greed?? Jesus didn't like that either), and parading as if it is her mission from God.
Krystin Martin, your last comment about being the butt of as many jokes as possible is exactly why we can't get past all the annimosity in this country. She's young, made mistakes, you need to hop off.
Hey Debra R.
If you read your bible in about the same (and only) place where you supposedly find your stance against gays, you'll also find that eating shellfish is an "abomination" as well. I'm sure you've never eaten shellfish then.
The dogma of religion predates intelligent mass thinking. As long as one has been brainwashed into thinking Godliness without humanism is sacrilege we will always be a divided society.
Whence we realise that mass brainwashing has taken place in different design over the centuries claiming a decree from a higher power only then will be united as one humane race.
That my friends like Jesus second coming is never going to happen. Man has controlled men with the "writings" of GODS, and that WILL my friends never come to an end. Hatred, division and segregation are the norms we have been living with. All brought about for the love of false prophets by their brainwashed masses from all division of religion.
Carrie Prejean is just another pawn.
Hmmmmm, is there a little jealously there, Ms. Martin? It is funny how the biggest critics of successful good-looking women are always not-so-successful and not-so-good looking women. Have you ever done anything you are ashamed of when you were young, Ms. Martin? Carrie is still only 22 years old and is still learning life's lessons. But you don't care, do you? You just want to see another beautiful, successful woman drug into the gutter so you can feel a little better about yourself. Look in the mirror, Ms. Martin. Do you like what you see?
Of course she's hypocritical! She poses for semi nude photos and then creates a sex tape! I listened to her interview on MSNBC and she said that she was just an ignorant teenager. Well, she's still ignorant. Uneducated fundamentalists like her are a danger to the well being & social evolution of our society!
These christian fundamentalists all seem to forget that Jesus was a radical (and would still be a considered a radical today)- he opposed androcratic & literalist religion, hung out with the oppressed groups in society, and had disdain for the religious "holy men" that claimed they were doing God's will.
This is just another example of people just "playing a role" for political or fame recognition. Say what the people want to hear–forget that I am doing the opposite! In today's hi-tech video and pundit world, have these people not figured out that they will be exposed if they put themselves out there eventually? My father, who was a minister always said, watch for the "pastor" who preaches 60% of his sermons against one issue and I will show you a pastor struggling with that very issue! Words are words–actions are actions...she needs to go home and get herself a reality check-up.
Better question: "Is Carrie Prejean retarded?". Answer, "yes", but then I would have to clarify that "retarded" is not a word I used to describe people with limited mental faculties and lumping her in with them would be an insult to them...I want to make that clear. Carrie Prejean is a "retard" because she seems to possess the bare minimum with regard to "normal" mental faculties, however, she refuses to use even her meager mental skills to stop her mouth from moving and spewing her ignorance. Even a person with limited skills in that arean knows when to shut up.
1) Pagent organizers thought they would punish her for her personal opinion and she would just go away. She has managed to make an fools out of them (and herself) as well as anhilate the pagent's credibility. She has proved a more powerful opponent than they reallized. Of course, what do you expect men who organize beauty pagents would think of women? (BTW I never saw the pagent, nor do I really agree with her comments; I am just impressed with this kid's publicity judo)
2) I am not sure what making a sex tape or having nude pictures of oneself has to do with being Christian. The religion is not somehow anti-sex, just anti-fornication. Now "conciously" releasing those tapes/or photos for the purpose for the purposes of arousing someone other than a mate or ones self might be objectionable. I actually see the public beauty pagent itself as more questionable than private documents.
Really, so leave her alone already! She is against gay marriage...and??? That is her right and should not penalized for that. Poor girl can't even use the restroom without some ignorant fool juding...get over it! My best friend is a Lesbian......and guess what I agree with Carrie! If anyone is a hypocrite is some gays and lesbians. Go Debra!
Conversion or not she is an absolute hypocrite, much like the rest of the hard core conservative right. They constantly bash us heathens, but do the exact same things in their "private" lives. Which by the way they can have and we can't (a rant for another post). Not only is Carrie Prejean a hypocrite, she is a strumpet selling herself to the highest bidder. She would fit better at a ranch outside of Vegas, at least it would be an honest application of what little skills she has.
I could give a rats ass about her "belief system", other than she is a self serving liar. She could believe in the tooth fairy. The problem with neo christian conservatives is that they have given up either trying to live their beliefs or sharing them, now they are focused on forcing the rest of us to obey their mandates. Radical christianity is slowly becoming incompatible with American freedom. We lost the communists as an enemy only to replace them with these crackpots.
The Bible: the writings some Americans choose to live by
The Constitution: the writings ALL Americans must live by
Don't confuse the 2 – they are SEPARATE.
If you CHOOSE to use the Bible as your moral compass, great.
If you CHOOSE to use other influences as your moral compass, great.
Respect each other's views and live by the law.
"judge not lest ye be judged"
That is exactly what she is doing.
Amanda – you had the best response to this board so far. :)
Another LIB crying about another's imperfection. Her acknowledging that porn IS everywhrre today makes you upset?? HUH!!
Jesus forgives and so do I. I surely cant cast any stones at her.
The holy rollers on here are absolute hypocrites. So funny they want to just look the other way for this stupid girl but would condemn this same behavior for anyone else. You can kill someone but as long as you repent or ask for forgiveness all is ok. BS!!!!
Prejean presents us a ridiculous hipocritical contradiction, as do many of our extreme right-wing conservative "Christians". Spouting religious pap out of one side of their mouth while leading a double life out of the other. Prejean's credibility, if she ever had any, is shot. Her attempts to extend her 15 minutes of fame by blatantly playing both sides is pathetic. But let her go on, making a fool of herself; maybe people will start to connect the dots about her and these other absurd people.
I'm fully prepared to cut Carrie Prejean some slack even though I'm not necessarily in agreement on her political views. For the record I'm sexually straight and a Lutheran. I can look back on some of the things that I did when I was in my late teens and early twenties and can appreciate how careless and stupid some of those things were.
The problem I have is that if you're going to set yourself up as the moral judge and jury over the actions of others then you're own personal and sexual history had better be beyond reproach otherwise things from your past will come back to haunt you and then you end up looking like a hypcrite. Carrie Prejean was a little naive to believe otherwise.
Carrie would probably have been better off coming clean with her past first and then express her views and gay marraige, pornography and the rest. She could come off like the sinner who came clean and would have bought herself a ton of credibilty. Doing it backwards like this has backfired on her severely.
Whoever has been giving her advice on all this should probably be fired yesterday.
I find it interesting that this sex tape shows up out of the blue just as both her law suit and her book come into play. What or who was the source of the tape? (remember this is a tape with only her in it – so who else had access to the tape?) Was it someone supporting the pagent and holding the tape all this time to smear her? or was it someone on her side trying to build controversy and boost book sales. It seems very scripted to me.
What's truly sad is the attention this gets when there are more pressing matters, then the comments condeming hypocrisy and judgement when that's exactly what is going on here. People on both sides of this debate seem to be in the wrong to me.
People speaking on the Bible out of hate rather than love...taking quotes out of context, the old testament out of context, disregarding the new testament...the Devil quotes the bible too you know. Take the Bible as a whole, But to do that you have to read the entire thing.
Then others declaring that they know people are born straight. How would you KNOW that? We are all made by God, we all have a sinful nature, all sins are created equal, and we all fall short of the glory of God.
People can be misguided as they try to tackle homosexuality and abortion as abominations and disregard other commonplace sins in today's society.
In the end, I really think comment sections should be eliminated on the internet. It has only become a way for hate and arguments to be spread. I doubt many of you would say the things you have to someone's face.
She is now claiming that there is no privacy. Well, the party she supports, republicans, open Bill Cilintons bedroom door. With that, the precedence was sent. Like Rush, she expects us to "do as I say, not as I do". That seems to be the republican party's mantra.
Wow, a lot of people are slamming her for getting breast implants and taking some topless photos. I guess that disqualifies her from having an opinion about gay marriage. I guess if thats the case, then 3/4 of women in Hollywood shouldn't have an opinion on it either. Unless of course that opinion is in line with leftist groupthink.
I'm sorry but every gay person I've known did not choose to be so – they were born that way (yes, God made them gay). So objecting to gay marriage on the grounds that it is a choice IS like saying that interracial marriage is wrong. Anyway, the gay marriage issue is about how the government acts towards gay people, not how the church does. If you believe in the US Constitution (i.e., separation of church and state) and equality before the law, there really is no logical reason to oppose gay marriage. Church's are free to not marry gay people; the government cannot discriminate that way against its citizens.
Hey Rob from Western Australia-
I generally read these comment boards for amusement- but please don't believe for a moment that what gets posted here represents "quintessential America". I would posit that the majority of reasonable Americans don't even post on comment boards like this, nor do they have extreme views as expressed by many of the posts. Most reasonable Americans are too busy with the day to day responsibility of life to have time to post, or give a hoot about some beauty pageant queen's life, hypocrisy or not. Enjoy a Foster's for me, mate !
i dont understand how people can say we are 'born straight' and CHOOSE to be gay, going against nature.
do you lot know ANYTHING about this 'nature' you speak of?
homosexuality is well documented in many mammals, and is most common in more intelligent species like the common cat and dog, marine mammals and primates.
grey whales have all male orgies where they rub their genitals against one another. bonnet macaques manually masturbate one another then eat the ejaculate. Homosexual activity is absolutely a part of nature!
People are so funny, especially progressives. The argument is always the same. If you have committed sin X, then you can never criticize sin X, without being called a hypocrite. This is ridiculous. It is a way to shut down opposition when you have lost the argument.
Ms. Prejean "sex tape," was made prior to her conversion to Christianity and prior to any controversy. What is more pathetic, is the fact that some ex boyfriend decided to make some money by scandalizing her.
Further, just because she had breast implants does not make her a hypoocrite, and is a nonsequitor. Vanity hits the secularist and the Christian equally.
I love it..Repubilcans are always so quick to judge everybody
She is a trailer tramp with fake boobs
Carrie Prejean is much hotter than Sarah Palin. As long as we have these silly religious people dabbling in politics, I'd rather look at Carrie. But really, I don't buy any of the regressive nonsense they spew. Sorry that anyone does. Our country would be much better off patting them on the head and then ignoring them than listening to them.
Whoa!!! Did you open the 'Bible thumping gang' loose or what!!!
To spend so much time and energy on a woman who has shown herself to be a bit of a 'mixed signal' on everything she expounds..let us just smile and believe the old sayin.." A fish dies with an open mouth". BTW...where is that tape?????
Remember what Jesus had to say about homosexuality. Not a thing.
Prejean's opinion of gay marriage is consistent with most Americans. This is evidenced by the fact that in every state where gay marriage is put to a vote, it is overwhelmingly voted against.
It's unfortunate that her private life detracts from an issue that is worthy of discussion and debate.
Someone wrote on here earlier "Christianity=Hipocracy"
It's not Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. that is the hypocrite, ITS PEOPLE!!! We are the ones who say love your neighbor then turn around and gossip about them. Extremist people are the worst.
"They are different and they don't believe what I believe so I have to force my beliefs on them" Where have I heard that before, oh yeah that statement has been used to launch countless wars and slander campaigns to include Mr. Perez Hilton who actually started this whole firestorm.
As for Ms. Prejean and her tape, is this something that she did with someone she was in love with? Is this something that was supposed to be kept between two people in love? I honestly don't know. IF that is the case then everyone here who is saying she is a hypocrite needs to shut up because she has just had her trust betrayed. Of course if this is a shamless ploy to keep her 15 minutes of fame going then that is wrong.
HELLO!! There is a reason the church is full of hypocrites, we need Jesus and we know it. That's part of the reason we're there. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, ALL. None of us are worthy. That having been said, the idea of pageants asking questions of contestants is to hopefully, get an honest answer. Well, we got it. There is no right or wrong answer people.
Religion is the problem. Reality is the solution.
So many people have taken sides from of what the media reports. Such a shame. There is not a person alive who cannot be isolated into the hypocracy arena for something. An alcoholic knows that alcohol is probably not the best thing for him . . . and he gets labeled a hypocrit. Pick your example. Miss Prejean will not fade away because the media is capitalizing on our lust for tearing people down. You see it in politics every day.
As far as the gay marriage comments she made, get over that! She has an opinion – just as many of us here obviously do.
Have an awesome week, and find something nice to say about someone. :-)
To a degree anyone that professes very high ideals is a hypocrit, because invariably we fall short of our ideals. That doesn't mean we should change our ideals, it just means we're human. I find it easier to be tolerant of people who fall short of their ideals than I do of people who have none, but criticize those that do.
Umm, Debra can you show me where DIVORCE, PREMARITAL SEX, or alot of things that people do every day are ENCOURAGED (your statement) in the bible?? If "christians" are so concerned about the sanctity of marriage why not tackle the problem of the current divorce rate. Wonder how many of them are divorced? Because as I was taught in a Baptist church, that is a SIN.
To the people who believe in God to the point that they are predisposed to accept the notion that he created Earth and everything on it, I want to ask why they believe God created homosexuality and then admonished them for being what he designed. Could it be that God's admonishment was actually a directive from man? Men like the Reverend Ted Haggard ?
this person possesses the ignorance AND arrogance that continues to undermine our society. take responsibility for you actions, miss pornjean. you willingly made the video, you willingly had the semi-nude photos taken of yourself (and knew exactly what was happening) and you subjected yourself to scrutiny the moment you willingly became a public figure.
if you are the "christian" that you claim to be, accept your actions and move on.
Debra R, are you serious..'"There is also the Bibical saying "judge not lest ye be judged"'?! I guesss Ms. Prejean must have been out doing a sex tape when her bible study class was going over that reading.
The famous & their sex tapes.
Former runner up at the Miss USA pageant Carrie Prejean's book "Still Standing: The Untold Story of My Fight Against Gossip, Hate, & Political Attacks" hits the stores this week, & the blurbs on the back of the book jacket are from Rush Limbaugh & Ann Coulter & the forward is by Sean Hannity. Perhaps they failed to see her latest solo sex tape, as she thought "no one would see it" per Faux News. The sex tape’s existence is reportedly the reason why Prejean quickly agreed to settle a lawsuit against the Miss California pageant. She had been seeking damages of $1 million claiming religious discrimination. She claimed to have suffered anxiety, depression & loss of sleep since her firing, the lawsuit stated. When pageant lawyers first showed Carrie the tape, her reaction was to say “that’s disgusting” & she denied it was her – then the camera angle changed & panned up to her face. She was caught red-handed, so to speak. Carrie was rendered speechless & immediately began talking with her lawyer. News reports state it took about 15 seconds for Carrie to drop her $1 million dollar demand. This is an interesting situation for this young woman who has managed to explain away most of her past controversies, without taking personal responsibility for any of it. As is typical, it’s the people who go around judging others & talking “morals” & “family values” who end up with all the secrets & lies. Per a press release, at the end of her 193-page “book,” the anti-gay marriage activist & bigot writes this message to God: “Thank you for giving me this final chance to honor you in front of the entire world.”
People, she is a beauty queen not the next Socrates. Why would anyone take anything she says seriously? Or give her more attention?
Ms. Prejean is still entitled to espouse her opinions and even make more sex tapes. And many of us are equally entitled to smirk at her transparent shallowness and hypocrisy. What a great country!
What the passage says: To paraphrase, Jesus offers to come and heal the paralyzed servant of a Roman centurion. But the centurion said a visit is not necessary and asks Jesus only to speak words of healing. Jesus praises the centurion’s faith and heals the servant.
The Greek word used here for “servant” was used in the ancient world to refer to one’s same-sex partner. Jesus encountered this gay centurion, healed his partner, praised him for his faith and assured him of a place in heaven.
The Greek word for servant is Doulos, which, according to dictionary.com's definition of the word, in the Word Origin and History section, says the following: "Meaning "professed lover, one devoted to service" is from c.1368." (please see the source for greater detail) Ironically enough, the word was used to mean a lover in the 12th century which is about the time that marriage became a sacrament in the church, before that people didn't give a hoot about being married by the church. Not unless you were a noble and had some land you wanted to expand by marring your daughter to the some guy who also wanted more land. Gotta love history.
What's wrong with her having an opinion, she's entitled, just the way you write this and give your opinion. One can have an opinion about choices, doesn't mean necessarily it is offensive. She should be able to have her opinion, write a book, if you don't want to read it, don't buy it.
Perhaps you should investigate a little further before you write an article. She was 17, when she made that and sent it to a boyfriend. 17! Did you do nothing at 17, 18, or even 19 that you don't regret? Do you still have the same feelings and beliefs now that you did as a teenager? Hum????????
If she is to be crowned Miss Hypocrite then President Obama would be King Hypocrite.
I love how so many people feel that if you want to have a conservative thought or two that you can only have conservative thoughts. It is ok to be against gay marriage and like porn. They are two completley different topics. America was built on expressing opinion, if you don't like it get out!
Hey, if Carrie Prejean made that tape before she was 18 years old, that means it's child porn. So it can't be all THAT old.
Sex tape? Carrie sent a video of her ALONE in a room more than likely masturbating or pleasuring herself to her ex boyfriend. Her ex boyfriend more than likely sold the tape that was made for HIM ONLY. What Kardashian, Hilton, Bret Michaels, Pam Anderson did were sex tapes, she alleges being by herself so sorry, if Bill Clinton can ha a BJ and not call it sex, you cannot call this a sex tape.
Okay, let's see how Rush and the rest of the so called "religious right" spin this one. If she was truely a person of religious convictions then she should have practiced what she was taught "Love thy neighbor as you would love yourself". This is what happens when you think of yourself as being above others. Rush criticized drug users while secretly he was one. God does have a way of humbling the boastful.
Most of all the comments I read here are ignorant. All of us are guilty of some sin in our past that we wish we could forget. The Bible though written by men was inspired by the Holy Spirit and is useful for reproof in our lives today. Sin is sin, no matter how it’s labeled. It’s funny how people want to pick and choose which part of the Bible to believe. You believe murder, lying, stealing cheating etc… is wrong because the Bible says so, but when the Bible labels homosexuality a sin, it’s labeled a flawed document. Homosexuality is a sin PERIOD. Nothing can change that. Nothing!
There are other traits that are labeled sin, such as hatred, lying, cheating, theft, adultery, covetousness, and nothing can change those either. They are sin.
Tell me which one of you doesn’t fall into at least one of these categories? Have you ever lied? SIN. Have you ever taken something that didn’t belong to you? SIN.
Carrie’s life might be the best example of Christian living, but she was right not to condone the gay lifestyle or gay marriage. What if the question were about murder? There are some people who believe its okay to kill another person. If I wanted to justify murder, I could pull out all the stops to try and get people to agree with me and accept that it’s okay. I could try and change the laws I could try and convince people that it’s acceptable. I could yell and scream to get my way. I might change a law or two, but the fact would still remain that murder is SIN and its wrong.
We all want to justify our actions and defend our lifestyle, but that doesn’t make it right. Take a look in the mirror and at all the skeletons in your closet.
Typical of Christian Republicans. They demand that liberals follow the bible but not them. They live that same liberal life that they condemn, but behind the scenes. That is the ultimate hypocrisy. I love it when conservatives slip and fall in their own slime. That slut judging others and the whole republican conservative army came out in her defense. None in the army of conservatives is free of sin, but they are self appointed to judge others. How gross can they get. .
Seems to be a lot of people posting on here quoting the Bible, then using Miss Prejean's actions as reasons why we shouldn't believe God. I don't follow Christ because of Miss Prejean...or anyone else. Rom. 6:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of Heaven. However, what Miss Prejean said about homosexuality is correct. It is a sin, and those who practice homosexuality will not go to Heaven. That is the ultimate point of all this. Neither will those who participate in or promote pornography. Neither will those who hoard money. Etc. As for what Jesus would have done...yes, he would have "loved" her, as in the Greek word "agape," which is the most sincere form of love, and a love that does what is needed for a person (even if it is against what that person "wants"). Christ called all to repent, that is, to turn away from sin. All sin. That includes homosexuality. That includes other types of fornication. That includes murder. Yes, in God's eyes, sin is sin, and murder and homosexuality and lying are all equal - sin separates us from God. Christ's love isn't a big old hug and telling us that we're all OK - it's a big old hug and telling us we need to repent, or change, and do things His way - as spelled out in his New Testament. Christ preached it, and it's what His Apostles preached beginning on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38 - repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins...). As Christians, we do not follow the teachings of mere men (Miss Prejean, any preacher, etc.), but of an eternal God and his all-loving Son.
Some religious straight people are ignorant and they will never change, why am I the one who has to educate them about Gay people.
Get off your cross and get a clue!
Enough is enough!
OK – so some girl, as a teenager (and we all know the only thing dumber than teenage girls are teenage boys), makes a stupid call and sends her boyfriend a few naughty videos of herself... later on, as an adult, she makes a more mature call and declares her opinion that selling sex is wrong...
...and she's a hypocrite?
Puh-leeze. There's a world of difference between a girl sharing a personal private video (stupid) and then turning around and selling that video so that people in suits can make money.
Oh – and no one would give it a second thought if she wasn't opposed to gay marriage. If she'd come out and screamed that gay marriage was wonderful and then someone dug up an old video and spread it to TMZ, then you guys wouldn't give it a second thought.
Guess that makes someone else the hypocrite, doesn't it?
She isn't hypocritical, this article is hypocritical.
There is a BIG difference between a private tape made between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own bedrom (that phrase rings a bell...) for their own personal use and pornography on sale. (not that I'm against either)
Likewise, I don't recall Ms. Prejean saying she was against gay people, just the legalization of gay marriage. Do you know who else holds that position? President Barrack Obama. I'm waiting for the day when Perez, et al. are as active in their criticisms of him. It will be a long and lonely wait.
While I totally agree that Carrie Prejean is not a role model for demonstrating and living Christian values, I find this article by Kristyn Martin unprofessionally written and reads like a tabloid account of the matter from a Journlist (or whatever profession or title she calls herself) who's desparate to take a cheap shot at someone's credibility which can't be defended.
I'm amazed at the conclusions some of you reach. First, I think Prejean is a hypocrite and her time is done. However, she didn't "do porn" as one of you wrote...the tape that is out there is of her alone. She hasn't said anything about the circumstances, but if it was done in private, filmed by a boyfriend (or girlfriend...LMAO) and intended to remain private I fail to see how THAT makes her non-Christian or a hypocrite. All the other stuff, sure, but I do think its a bit unfair to lump that private behavior as hypocritical; it was sold/released w/o her knowledge (at least that's her claim). Let's keep the bashing fair and limit it to actions that she intended to be public, like the anti-gay comments, boob job, backing out on a deal, etc.
Carrie Prejean has said this was the biggest mistake of her life. We have all had moments we regret. As to her view on homosexuality–it's called freedom of religion. Not everyone has to love how everyone else chooses to live–but expressing one's opposing viewpoint is not a hate crime, so long as it's done respectfully.
I think Carrie Prejean is awesome.
She is a beautiful, intelligent woman who is entitled to her opinion regarding 'gay marriage' regardless of what she has allegedly done, and/or allegedly filmed herself doing.
She is an adult and is free to engage in any legal behavior she wishes...just as long as she includes me in her activities.
You won't find many better examples of what happens when you put lipstick on a pig.
That should read "love thy God with all thy heart"
interesting to read what some people view as hypocrisy versus freedom of speech and how some seem so quick to forgive one person but not others. As for gay and straight, I think it's a genetic sliding scale. Some are born way over on the gay side, some way over on the straight side, and the rest of us are somewhere between the two. Perhaps some people DO choose to "be gay", but the rest of us are already encoded with who we are. It's my experience that the most rabid gay-bashers are worried about their own sexuality. As for the Bible – the fact that it mentions gays points to the fact that gays have always been around in society. If choice really were an option, wouldn't the importance of choosing not to be gay be in the 10 commandments? Remember what Jesus said: the two most important rules are to love thy with all thy heart and to love thy neighbor as thyself. He also said blessed are the persecuted, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Against homosexuality and against porn?...wonder if her sex tape catches her in the act with another woman!
I love this. All of the Christians come on here to defend their faith poorly with their caps lock on and their Bible in hand, while all of the anti-theists come on here armed with armed with flailing, poorly made points and only a vague understanding of the historical record and a distinct hatred for anything conservative.
It is as if one side really thinks they are not wearing their own socially constructed blinders and that only the other side is blind.
It's amazing the moonbats who have sought to destroy this woman's life all because she doesn't favor gay marriage. Nobody is as closed minded as an open minded liberal and no one is more mean spirited than a compassionate liberal. And you want to talk about hypocrisy?
you left wing liberals just try to find things to moan and cry about all day! get over the fact that conservative america will prosper and people like Ms. Prejean will continue to emerse and share the true american sprit and ways of our ancestors! All you left wing nuts should go move to san francisco, drive your hybrids, and shut your mouths!
No one is born a Christian. Being a Christian is a personal choice regardless of what home you were born into. There seems to be a lot of ignorance on this thread and a lot more plain stupidity for which there is no cure, ignorance at least has a chance. (Paraphrased} "Jesus said if he were persecuted, his followers could expect the same" It appears that's going on here in spades!
It amazes me how the Dumocrats (not a typo) use any and everything to push attention away from their inadequacies. Perhaps Miss Prejean is a hypocrite, but its not up to me to judge her. Instead of flaming a young lady who is being punished enough for bad decisions she made, why don't we look at the mistakes the American public in voting a classic non performer into the office of president. That is where travesty has occurred.
So, let me get this straight.....all of you that are bashing her for being a hypocrite have no hypocrisy in your lives? Right......hypocrites.....
I am intrigued by the backward, out-of-date, and ridiculous opinions of Debra, Russ and Mike. LMAO: everyone is born straight! Hilarious! It's surprising to me these people know how to operate a computer, let alone even know what the internet is. Thanks for a very enjoyable and hysterical thread. You bible thumpers crack me up! Who writes your material? Too funny.
"...You have absolutely no idea what you say, when you said we are born straight. I have been gay since birth."
So what you are asying is that homosexuality is a genetic condition, one for which we should be working on a cure, like cancer, down syndrome, or MS. Becareful what you imply by saying the choice is not yours.
Where is this tape???? Can someone post a link????
Seriously though, anyone posting a biblical argument against homosexuality also has to picket any restaurant serving seafood, since Leviticus also calls eating shellfish an "abomination". That's right, eating shrimp is as much a sin as being gay in God's eyes. Of course this is something they choose to ignore, back to the hypocrite angle I guess. No wonder people don't go to church anymore.
Have you read your bible? The whole "judge not lest ye be judged" statement is thrown right out the window. Check out Leviticus 21:16-24...
21:16 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
**What the Bible says about blind and handicapped people.**
21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy.
21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
21:24 And Moses told it unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.
This why I would hold off on quoting the bible and acting as if it is be the end all be all. Carrie Prejean is hypocrite... anti-pornography? I suppose that tape was a "love tape". And off course her breast implants were not to make her look sexier... pfft. I think that she needs to take whatever money she ahs made so far and avoid the media at all costs.
Prejean is SOOO old-fashioned; even the neo-con FoxNews webpage is full of girly pics.
This isn't really about whether gays should be allowed to marry [they should] or whether people can legally videotape themselves having sex for their own enjoyment [they can]. This is a shining example of the blatant hypocrisy of so-called "moral" conservatives. The dogma they preach — repressed sexuality, abstinence, social discrimination, etc. — are absolutely counter to basic human nature. Consequently, every photo or video or foot tapping in an airport stall, is an embarrassment, not because it's necessarily wrong, but because they have preached how "wrong" such behavior is.
Most hypocrisy is born in the denial of basic human nature.
Being raised "christian" means nothing as far as a personal relationship with God. I have no idea what her walk with the Lord is like none of us do. She has made a choice to state her beliefs in public and in so doing has opened the door for her life to be under a microscope. Who of us would be found perfect under this amount of scrutiny?
Debra R is right. She is just saying that sins can be forgiven. The more important thing is not to do the same mistakes again and again.
To Robert C regarding whether David and Jonathan had gay relationship (1 Samuel 20:30,41)
Please don't read the bible between the lines in a perverted way. It is fairly obvious David and Jonathan loved each other as like-minded brothers serving God, which has nothing to do with sexual relationship of any kind.
See biblestudy.org/question/was-king-david-gay.html for actual explanation.
Regarding 2 Samuel 1:26, I can clearly understand what David meant. I had a foreign friend who wasn't aware of this country's sensitivity about gayness, who told a fellow that he loved to be with a man more than a woman, and that fellow who was listening to him suddenly jumped to a conclusion that the foreign friend was gay, and the foreign friend explained to me that what he meant was that he was more comfortable conversing with men about inner thoughts and loved to be in companion of men more than with women. He was a 100% heretosexual, and he would have loved to be with a woman, but his love for brotherly companionship far surpassed his love toward a woman as a sexual or marriage companion. That doesn't lessen his love for his wife he later married in any way.
It's just a figurative speech comparing love of brotherly companionship exceeding love for his wife, which itself is quite an endeavor, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have taught that husbands should love their wives as their own life (Ephesus 5:28) if it was easy to do, and he didn't mean carnal attraction.
Did you know that brotherly love is much easier than love with a marriage partner? Men think more alike and can understand each other (and also between women) more than between a man and a woman, so naturally brotherly love can be deeper than love between different sexes. That has nothing to do with sexual attraction between men, and obviously David wasn't talking about comparing sexual attractions toward a man versus toward a woman.
Everyone and I mean everyone get off your high horse. This whole debate is nothing more than gossip. It might be true there is a sex tape. That is really none of our business. She is against gay marriage so what. So is the majority of California (those who voted) per the ballot box.
Worry about your own lives and let her live hers. Who are any of us to judge her or her beliefs. LOL! This Debate is meaningless. Its going nowhere.
Beautiful stupid people, the world is full of them.
While all the discussion here is about Carrie and rightfully so, there seems to be another question. I have to wonder about the whole Miss America pageant. What were they doing paying for her to get implants? Why?
By they way, Carrie is a hypocrit. No question about it.
Give me a break. I'm neither conservative nor a fundamentalist Christian, but it's obvious the media has a grudge against this girl. She makes some politically incorrect comments, and everyone and their dog wants to drag her through mud.
And the so-called "sex tape?" From what I heard, it was a home video, maybe for a boyfriend. Instead of warning women about the dangers of making sex tapes for boyfriends, the media jumps on yet another chance to attack her.
And you know, I always considered myself a supporter of gay marriage, but the way she's been treated by so-called "tolerant" people, I wonder if I've been wrong all along. Maybe I should change my mind...
You may not have found where in the Bible that gay marriage is condoned, but give me two minutes with your Bible and I'll point out to you where it not only condones, but sets down the guidelines for owning, buying, and selling slaves.
The Bible is NOT a source of good morals.
It's very interesting to see people call themselves a Christian in one sentence and in the very next judge Ms. Prejean as a hypocrite because of her choices to pose nude or make a sex tape.
Now I'm not saying that Ms. Prejean isn't a hypocrite but it's still funny.
And why on EARTH should we care what a "beauty queen's" stance is on gay marriage? or world politics? or religion?! That's like asking a kindergardner what they think and then freaking out on them when we don't like their uneducated answer.
@ Mike – "Leaked" or not – she shouldn't be running around preaching about her body being a temple, and "girls grow up in a culture where it is hard to have an innocent, healthy, normal view of themselves, how they should behave, how they should act, and how they should dress." When here she is with her fake boobs and fake tan and tons of make up, prancing around in a bikini in the "Who's the Prettiest Girl in The US" contest? Really.
@ Chris – There is no "Guide to The Scripts" – The bible was written to be interpretive. Everyone interprets it in their own way. Whether you are a Christian or a Catholic, a Baptist or anything else. I can interpret the bible in a way that makes me God and everyone else a sinner but that doesn't mean I'm right.
I think Sarah V. said it best.
"Hypocrites aren't born, however; they're made. And often within the confines of a church. Spirituality can do beautiful things for people, but religion just seeks to divide and overpower."
She is very beautiful and deserves to be praised by all American women. Any woman who criticizes her is jealous of her physical perfection. God created her to be a beutiful messenger of truth. Palin for President Prejean for Vice President At last strong and beautiful women have reached the top in American society. Praise Jesus.
I'm a conservative and trust me, a 22-year old beauty pageant is not the "voice of my ideals"! I'd have more respect for her if she just owed up to the mistakes she made, wrote about them and how it shaped her in her growth with Jesus. That doesn't make her a hypocrite, makes her human just like the rest of us and hopefully someone can learn from the mistakes she made.
Disclaimer: I don't really take a side on Ms. Prejean. In fact, that anyone is still writing about her is a testament to good media handling, and not merit. But now to my point:
To paraphrase Saturday Night Live, "Kristyn you ignorant slut."
Which is to say, morality is not based solely in our actions. Only the weakest of pop morality would be so devoid of depth as to link Ms. Prejean's actions with any moral stand she might choose to take. My rule of thumb: "People are messy."
Let her sink her own credibility rather than debasing her with ad-hominem hopes that she'll be the butt of someone's joke.
Parents who lose their children in war suffer a grievous and cruel loss. However, they only know about losing their child, not about the foreign policy issues surrounding a conflict.
In fact, one might argue that Ms. Prejean actually CAN take the moral high ground. We don't know if she was coerced into making the alleged sex tape. If she was, then she certainly has the authority to talk about the base moral state in America today.
Thanks for the pop analysis though. Your blog wasn't worth a laugh. It was just laughable.
If she had pure "values" she wouldn't have entered any "beauty" pageant to begin with... so she's just full of hot air – oops, I mean silicone... oops again... she has certainly verified that inner beauty is what counts most – and she is one of the ugliest persons walking this earth...
I think she just said what was in her heart. People have a right to disagree and have a variety of opinions. Not everyone supports gay marriage; look at the liberal state of California. The point is, we will have differences. The real issue is whether or not people can truly be respected for their diversity, even if their idea is not the currently popular one.
The real test of integrity is embracing the truth of your heart. The real test of courage is speaking the truth of your heart. I think she did that.
Try 1 Samuel 18 – 20 for some good gay porn in the bible
Debra R– You should read the following information:
The Old Testament makes no menion of Homosexuality, and the New Testament mentions it infrequently and even when it is mentioned, most people don't know the original meaning of the words in Hebrew or Greek–and they haven't tried to understand the historical context in which those words were written.
Also, if you are going to be literal about the bible, consider:
The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king's having many concubines. (Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures. On the other hand, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing one's parents nude.
to all the people harking on debra at the top of this posting wall....please! being an opponent of homosexuality does not mean your judging the people as individuals....im an opponent of lying, cheating, swearing, etc. etc. You all do that, I do that, even though it's wrong. Christians believe homosexuality is wrong, with good reason, their not judging, it's a sin like the ones i mentioned So if i don't agree with you im judging? So everyone has to believe homosexuality is right? Come on, please think before you write something stupid...please you guys make no sense. Prejean could have done the sex tape before in her past, Kristin Martin. You know what youv'e done in your past doesn't mean your the same in the present...lets not come to such harsh conclusions. Cut this girl some slack...you guys don't know her and don't know the actual situation...these TMZ fools make up crap and you can't take them seriously....I hope Carrie has learned from her PAST and Ill pray the media and ignorant people will leave her alone.
This woman's demise is self-inflicted and is not "news". Please remove it from CNN.com and focus on reporting news ; leave this crap for another network.
Liberals always attack things they don't believe in like this ladys tape. And Sara Palins book. But they will make themselves look stupid by attacking and then not attacking always.
Obviously not everyone is gay because in the Bible they didn't have gays or bi-sexuals and only lesbians and only sometimes. So it is wrong to attack her for her views that are correct according to most of the Bible except lesibians.
My problem with this woman is that she's a con-artist. She'll say or do whatever it takes to get attention & make money-no matter how contradictory. She obviously doesn't have any real religious or political convictions.
In the Bible it says homosexual stuff is worse than killing someone. It is the worst thing you can do Jesus said and marrying a man is obviously not right because there were no married men in the Bible or any of the pre-Bible stuff either. She is speaking for the silent majority who believe in the Bible and the pre-Bible too.
Get rid of all organized religion and you'll have a good start. It's all man-made anyway. Religion is for the weak-minded who don't have their own inner moral compass to tell them what is right and wrong. You don't need some made-up religion for people to act correctly, you just need education and people raising their children correctly.
When children are brainwashed into believing in religion you have lost idiots like this Carrie with no common sense or intelligence because they're not taught to think on their own as they grow up. They are just taught that God forgives you even if you're a stupid sinning moron and are sorry about it. Sure there are just plain-old stupid people, but a lot has to do with upbringing and education. Maybe by the time this lady is 40 she'll grow up a bit and grow some common sense as well. I just laugh when someone says they are of a certain religion, because if you took a poll, all people of a religion would have different parts that they believe in and different beliefs altogether. Yet they somehow magically fit into a group with a certain name. Funny, funny, funny!
Rush to judgement coming from both sides. Anger, anger, anger. Those of you who are gay why do you care? is she a really threat to you?
And for all the rest of you who are passing judgement on your gay neighbors, fellow citizens, relatives, and media darlings,same goes for you? Why do you care? If you belong to any particular religion that frowns on judging others then don't do it.
The bible teaches me one thing above all other lessons; treat people the way I want to be treated. That is what I try to do everyday and sometimes I fail miserably.
If people disagree with my politics or morality then that is their prerogative. But don't judge me.
I wouldn't call her a hypocrite as much as I'd say that she is obviously morally challenged. Instead of judging people who happend to love members of their same sex (How Dare They)...maybe you should re- read the good book. I am pretty sure making a sex tape and having sex out of wedlock would be big NO NO's!
I want to clarify something – everyone is saying that Prejean was "against gay marriage".
Did anyone actually hear/read what she said? She only said she personally thought it was wrong, but that it's great that in America people can make whatever choice they want. This is, incidentally, identical to President Obama's position. So how did she become such a lightning rod for the far right, except as a pure creation by Perez Hilton, the media and others who pushed her in that direction?
Oh yeah, people CHOOSE to be gay. People choose to be the butt of jokes. People choose to not be able to marry the person they love. People choose to be shunned by possibly their families, their communities, and to be hated by the idiot Repubs posting on here. People do not CHOOSE to be gay. I have gay friends, and they are open in the fact that they have always known, even when they were kids. If you are all so Christian, quoting the bible, you will love everyone, regardless of who they are.
When I hear someone extoling their piety and how holier than me they are I instinctively, check my wallet, my spectacles and my testicles.
Any one who needs to wrap them selves in some form of ideology, in order to survive is truly an unwell person.
Remember, beauty is only skin deep, and sometimes it does not go that far down.
Be kind to your fellow man, remember, the meek have long memories and it takes more effort to keep up a lie than to tell the truth in the first place.
I'm trying to not read too many of these comments (from either side) as I can feel my IQ slip with each post. I do have to correct one thing I saw.
Jango Davis slept through American History and now thinks the Declaration of Independence is a flawed document because it denies rights to Blacks and Women. It might come to a surprise to Jango but the Declaration of Independence was a document where the 13 original colonies declared their independence from British rule and did not address voting rights for any person. The "flawed" document Jango was referring to would be the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
As interesting side note for the religious zealots, the primary author of the Declaration of Independence was not Christian. He was Deist.
Re: Skylar's comment ,
'If this is the new face of the Republican party no wonder we are the laughing stock of educated people all over the world.
Just wanted to confirm that from a Canadian perspective, your comment is 100% accurate. The US Republican party is the laughing stock of educated people all over the world.
We also find comments such as 'Everyone is born straight and some choose to be gay...' sad and shows a serious lack of basic science knowledge and understanding.
Wishing you luck for the future...from some of these comments, you're going to need it.
Ummm...is fire hot? Is the sky blue. YA, she's a hypocrite. Just like most bible thumpers.
OMG! She's heterosexual!! That's so gross!! What is this world coming to? She should be put in prison for her perverted lifestyle!
Prejean is an unrepentant piece of trash. What a disgusting piece of work.
Lord help us a human being is a hypocrite... We, all of us, are hypocrites in one way or another. Anyone still clinging to something this insignifigant is seriously misusing their focus in life. This has bearing and relevance to what, again?
This is not surprising. Usually, people who throw stones have something to hide. The Republican Party sure knows how to pick em'. This woman needs to do the world a favor shut her extremist mouth and quit preaching what she obviously does not know how to practice.
Debra R: Before you decide to post something, please use a spell checker. Also, it is very obvious that this woman is a fake and has repeatedly shown her true colors with her ridiculous actions and words.
The Dems are the ones who put her out in the media. She gave her honest opinion during the pageant, and everyone else made a big deal about it.
I heard that Americans are an educated people and as a society that uses logic thinking more than emotions.
As a US citizens with naturalization (originally came from third world/developing country) let me tell you my response to this news, I would like to see first the tape, when the tape was made, was it true Carrie or just a scam before judging her.
What about her opinion on gay? Everyone has a right to say her/his own opinion in this country, I guess. Nothing wrong with that in a free and democratic country like US. I try to respect her opinion regardless I agree it or not. This makes America a great country.
Kristyn - whine, whine, whine, you are one jealous and hateful wannabe. You know as well as anyone that sex tape is not "brand new," it was made many years ago and exchanged with her boyfriend. Quit throwing mud at everyone who's more successful than you and makes more money than you. Ten years from now, everyone will know Carrie Prejean. I doubt anyone will know you. Or care.
Apparently, her mistake comes down to her unwillingness to go along simply get along. Life would've been so "EASY" if only she had come out in favor of gay marriage or just stayed neutral. You DON'T have to be some biblical scholar to know what she is saying is in fact written. But, in these "modern" times choosing to stand by what is written thousands of years ago is passe:
" If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
1st Corinthians 6:9-11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. 26For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)
And it goes on, and on and on. But us "Modern" folks still don't get it.
Hmmm! So much silliness in many of these comments.
It is altogether possible to disagree with another persons actions, without mentally sending them to hell! Christianity is about love, kindness, and forgiveness. Professing your belief in Christianity is not the same as claiming spiritual perfection.
Everyone has the right to speak out on their beliefs. Everyone deserves to be loved. Everyone should pause and take a long look in the mirror when they are tempted to place judgement on anyone else. But, we are flawed, and that is where forgiveness comes in.
Soooo much time wasted on bickering and hating!
eddie r November 9th, 2009 3:18 pm ET
Debra R, get off your high horse, she is a hypocrite. trying to make a buck off right wing nuts. the bible was written by men, wake up Debra.
I'm hardly a Prejean apologist, so nothing to defend there. But c'mon. Don't fall for that silly and cretin "Bill Maher" ad hominem arguments (wink: attacks) on the Bible. You betray your ignorance and undermine any kind of seriousness of argument.
Maybe you should do a quick survey of Biblical history, archaeology, moral philosophy and a little theology to boot before you make any comments as reductionist and dare I say, childish, as that: there are plenty of serious scholars who have done so and concluded much more substantial arguments and spurred dialogue on the credibility of divine inspiration, infallibility, and interpretation....
It's not that easy chief. And sorry I had to toss a few "high flutin" terms out there but I have to put cretins in their place...
I don't like Carrie Prejean. That is my judgment and I stand by it...as a Christian. I'm not saying she's going to hell, she's just not going to be a role model of any kind. If I didn't have the information that I now have, that would be judgmental. Since I do have facts and statements made by Ms. Prejean, not wanting her to represent or endorse any issue let alone Christianity is my personal choice. She certainly is not a mature Christian if she is so superficial and therefore, her comments about gay marriage are moot. She has no life experience and has only been promoted for her sexuality so why are we listening to anything she says? If her sex tape involves lesbian sex acts I'll laugh every time I hear her name for the rest of my life. Carrie...you give God a bad name!
The girl is a hypocrite. Pure and simply. Not unlike most of the religious right. It's amazing how quickly the quotes from the bible come out when they are defending something this is indefensible. I'm a conservative but a RATIONAL conservative.
That whole Bible argument you've so succinctly used only works on the believers, not those of us who have decided not to succumb to the great daddy figure in the sky who obviously has nothing better to do than dictate the events in our lives.
SO typical... when all else fails...point fingers at the Christians
Stupid is as stupid masturbates. On film. And MOM got to see it. I love karma.
This article has CNN at it's best – opinion journalism with no hint of journalistic integrity or professionalism. Using Ms. Prejean as a proxy to bash all republicans is the epitome of sleaze. If CNN and Fox would merge, then the extremism would be tempered...
The bible is a work of fiction...get over yourselves. Anyone who lives their lives according to it is wasting their times
A beautiful yet ignorant, hypocritical, blonde woman who can never make a clear statement? I bet she has a show on Fox News in a matter of months.
Debra R, It's not that she doesn't have a right to her opinion because she does. She is however representing ALL the citizens in her state not just the few. The problem is many religious people give passes to this hypocrites and especially when they are republicans. Yet these same people call democrats hypocrites, nazi, facist and so on. Since when do people like her thinks she is better than anyone else.
Are you kidding me? You say
"For example, the photo's and video's were LEAKED. She did not put those out for public consumption. Failure to mention this is just wrong."
So it's okay to make the porno tape just not release them? That is hysterical!!!!! You made this "liberal nut/conservative hater" laugh his head off. I love your backward logic. Thank God you are not in office!!!!
And I want to add that the reason Carrie doesnt like gay people is because her parents divorced over it. I read an article in which her sister spoke out and said that her parents were always accusing one another of being gay, fighting in front of them and one day they went to visit their dad after her parents had seperated and walked in on their dad in bed with a man (who was his roommate). I think she connects gay people to pain from a childhood experience and that is why she hates them. People dont hate without a reason, there is always something that triggers it.
Prajean is just another christian who can kiss my ass. Christianity is just another political organization who use their money to squelch the rights of others. Let's see the holy rolling bigots vote for legislation outlawing divorce and then they can worry about who the hell I marry.
Yup, she is just another Christian hypocrite. But they are hardly rare animals.
Don't forget that the Bible says that God looks at the heart, while man looks on the outside.. God does not make mistakes, he brought straights and gays to this earth for their own purpose and growth. And may I say that growth is LOVE. If Christians would take a step back and remember that, they would not be condemning gay people for being the what they were called here to be. The earth is unfolding exactly as it should. Remember , judge the heart, not the lifestyle, not the pocketbook, not the attractive, the heart. God Bless.
Why are we giving this sublimely mediocre bimbo our attention?
Funny how if you're FOR homosexuality, you deem yourself a new world free thinker and are simply exercising your right to free speech. However, if someone speaks out against homosexual behavior, they're immediately branded as a bigot with no rights to hold their own opinion. Chill out people. Not everyone supports gay rights. And that doesn't make them any more of a bigot than you are. If you can't accept someone else's opinion, then you are the real narrow-minded bigot.
Hypocrite, sure, but she is also a tramp
Prejean follows the rest of the holier-than-thou right-wing nut crowd that preach Christian values and excoriate gays even though they all cheat on their wives in Argentina and go to restrooms in airports to solicit gay sex.
To all those Bible quoters out there, I don't care what the Bible says. I'm not a Christian, Jewish, or Muslim so keep the BIBLE, your HYPOCRACY, and your BIGOTRY out of my face. I'm tired of ignorant nitwits justifying hate through their religion.
Oh, and Miss Prejean is a slut so get over it.
Porn is NOT the same as a at home sex tape!!!! Women these days spread there stuff and do some downright dirty stuff with anyone or anything for money...Carrie having a personal at home video with a lover or possible boyfriend isnt even CLOSE! How many people have made a home video? I know plenty and it was made for their eyes only and was a innocent fun little thing not some dirty raunchy porn so NO, she really isnt a hypocrite if you are basing it off the tape.
Her comments against gays? She was ambushed by hate speech filled Perez Motel 6. By the way, because you call her a hypocrite doesn't mean you are free from the truth of what she speaks. When you are face to face with your creator, you won't be able to blame it on all these "hypocrites".
Jeez... these gay righteous people at the media should get off their high horses...!!!!
I mean, she has an opinion, SO WHAT????
She did not use foul language, she was very respectful when giving her opinion. You don't like it? Well that's a bummer, deal with it!!!
Now the sex tape, that's something I would like to see!,
Seems like some assume that because she spoke of her conservative beliefs then she must be a right-wing holy roller nut. That is a bad assumption. Everyone sins. Funny to see libs who espouse "out of the box" live style are so quick to bad mouth a conservative who (perhaps) partakes of that live style. You guys (and girls) are the hypocrites.
To all of you quoting the bible, you're going to be really disappointed when you die and end up just dead, not in heaven. Just like all the animals you've eaten–you're just here for a bit.
I am so sick of people that go to church once or twice a year that write articles like the one above. They talk about how hypocritical christians are because they sin. Who said that when a person becomes a christian that they then become perfect?
If you want to talk about complete hypocrites talk about how people like Perez Hilton extol the virtues of "diversity" and "open mindedness" then condemn anyone that has different opinions about marriage than them.
This unfounded talk about a sex tape is just as slanderous as the Miss USA organizations attacks on her because she dared to have her own opinions and not sell out and parrot the majority opinion of the Miss USA organization. If they have a tape where is it? Gossip is usually mostly lies. We know this by now don't we? All the claims I have heard about Prejean are unsubstantiated gossip. If the Miss USA organization had such a strong case why did they settle with Prejean?
It is AMAZING to me that the media spends so much time eviscerating this woman for expressing her opinion, because it is not progressive/liberal. The reaction is far more appropriate to a person who came out with blatantly hateful comments towards homosexuals, not her rather benigh comments that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Many politicians have expressed the exact same views, and yet fail to receive one tenth the public skewering that this woman has.
Whether she has a sex tape, or not, or whatever, doesn't necessarily make her hypocritical. It's not as if it's a tape with her and another woman, saying their wedding vows!
What a waste of time, the writer of this peice CLEARLY shows her hatred for conservatives. How pathetic.
I love how this starts as "I am seriously over Carrie Prejean’s.." Obviousley you're not or you wouldn't write the story. Hmm..does that make YOU a hypocrite? What about all of the famous athletes who have been arrested, made sex tapes and you continue to put them on a pedestal? Who is the hypocrite now? Don't pick and choose who you want to lash out at and who you don't. Either be fair or shut up Krystin. Cast the first stone Ms. Perfect.
Chuck, you ended your post with:
"So to wrap up we need to stop giving attention to hypocrites like Prejean, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity,Bill O`Reilly, Fred Phelps and his lovely family of hatemongers and start changing NOW!"
I noticed you did not include MSNBC's Olbermann, Maddow, Mathews, etc. and their lovely family of hatemongers. WHY? Could it be YOU are blinded by hate too?
She makes me sick and always has since the night of the pageant. She is so incredibly struck on herself, it's disgusting.
She is so haughty and holier than thou!
She really needs to get that career job at the tanning salon and give the rest of us a break from her endless narcissism.
Enough with this loser!!
and PS to Jeff
Good on ya! I knew there were real Christans out there, but they are so few and far between. I applaud you on your post.
I actually want to thank the people who refuted Debra R.'s rather redundant and asinine comment. I think people should use their own logic and reasoning to further their opinion.
I keep seeing everyone use the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" line, I really do hope you guys know that the whole story with Jesus and the woman accused of adultury was not actually in the original text of the Bible, it was a folk tale later added by scribes, but is not actually part of the "word of god", or the orignal texts.
ALSO, note that Jesus himself never said a single thing against homosexuality. The only mentions of it are in the old testiment. Don't you think if it was such a big deal, that the big guy known as Jesus would of preached something about it? Espeically since in his time, all male orgyies were a common practice among the wealthy and upper class. Granted he preached to the slums but knowledge of these practices were not hidden, If it was a deffinite no-no he would of at least mentioned it.
Religion should not be used against other people in dictating what they can and can't do with their own lives. I believe we have a nice document that says this called the Bill of Rights. Everyone claiming to be a good Christian would be wise to not say anything on this issue since they are told not to judge as well as not push their religion onto others. Our founding fathers would be ashamed since the seperation of Church and State is a lie. Believe whatever you want, but appreciate and respect the fact that others have that same right and shouldnt' be infrigned on by yours, espeically when the only thing they are asking for is in regards to a legal process. People disgust me these days with all the ignorance....
I can't understand the girl had a boob job because she was not satisfied with what God gave her . She was displaying the fake boobs in public as if they were her own. That same person talked bad about pornography and yet had a sex tape. How hypocrite is that. Carrie Prejean is not a christian. Besides, All christians, conservatives, and republicans are hyprocrites. They are all doing the same thing and they are supporting each other. They are all involved in fornication and adultery and every sunday they preach at the church.
I am sure anyone who supports Carrie is a Republican. Republicans are just using her. Once they are done with her they will dump her just like they dumped the ex boyfriend of Sarah Palin's daughter after the election. I hope she gets it.
Carrie is incredible. And Jim, Noone is born gay, give us a break. At least be man enough to admit you chose to be gay.
Christianity, the bible and religion in general should never be used as a way for an individual to position themselves above others. However, that is what bible thumpers like her do. The only lesson that should be taken from the bible, is that we should all treat each other equally. If you consider yourself a Christian but don't accept people from all walks of life, you are a hypocrite, period. In fact 99.99% of Christians are hypocrites! They use their religion as a way to keep people of other faiths, women and gays down. They use their religion as a scare tactic for children and non-believers. They use it as tool to exploit the powerless. They use it to strike terror into the hearts of politicians in order push their own crooked agenda. They use it to weasel their way into positions of power they scarcely deserve. But these are the same selfish people who get divorced 2 or 3 times, sleep with their neighbors wife, lie, cheat, and persecute, but they get to go to church every week, give their $200-$1000 to charity every year and all is forgiven? I think not! Religion is dead (yes, including America's precious Christianity), it has be reduced to a shred of its former self, manipulated and twisted to fit the demands of corrupt (and often evil) human beings. To put it simply, religion is used as a way to justify what an individual wants, and demonize what they don't want no matter the real world consequences. It's all just a big, fat, lie.
"Interracial and homosexual marriage is not the same. You do not choose your race! You Do chose to be a homosexual"
You DO choose to marry someone of a different race, therefore interracial marriages should not be protected just like gay ones, right?
Your logic, your fail.
You choose to be a Christian. I guess that means to practice it is your choice, therefore not a right.
Again, your logic..
I really wish people would think more about their own arguments and save people like me the trouble!
Gay marriage is wrong ..., plain and simple. As much as the gay population wants to be like "normal" couples, it just isn't so. Move on losers.
TMZ says its a solo tape, her alone.
Debra R, name one single gay person who is against marriage.
Plus, it doesn't matter WHEN the tape was made. The fact that it was made should, at the very least, have been acknowledged by her from the get-go. If she had been honest about her past upfront and talked about lessons learned I would have more respect for her. As it stands, she tried to hide her past and play the role of the buttoned-up Christian. She failed miserably at it.
And anyone cares about this bimbo enough to even have an opinion? Much less get ruffled by anything she says or does? That's rather like getting upset that the chickens are cackling. It's what they DO. Most sensible people turn a deaf ear and go on about important things. What this inconsequential, mindless pin-up "thinks" does not count as consequential. She merely does her own demographic a disservice, but the rest of us should just laugh.
With all the Bible-thumping that's going on in the U.S. over the issue of gay marriage, it's no wonder why more and more people throughout the Western World are moving towards agnosticism and atheism. It's heart-breaking to see how horribly wrong we're getting it. God wants us to love one another and to be good to one another.
We have developed a political system that, on paper, grants the same rights and dignities to everyone and allows each of us to pursue a relationship with God in our own way. However, there are those Pharisees and others who will justify their own iniquities to no end while condemning to hell those souls with much more minor sins. Some of them may be sinning intentionally in order to reduce the world to such a state that they bring on the Apocalypse, perhaps hoping there'll be time to "repent" before a wrathful God can turn His attention to them.
If we allow the hypocrites to dictate the rules for the rest of us, there'll only be more inequality, more arrogance and fear and resentment and frustration and, eventually, more confrontation and violence as a result. By exposing the weaknesses in their thinking, by holding the hatred up before the rest of us to deride and thus conquer, we can form a more just and reasonable and accepting nation for all of us, and form a closer accord with God's intentions for each and all of us.
Mona: She is a hypocrite because she went on Larry King Live to denounce gay marriage while she had nude shots and sex tapes in her closet. This is selective morals. Reminds me of those who have tried to stop gay adoption, when 99 percent or more of all child abuse is by heterosexuals. Think about it.
Oh, and I should mention that she is in no way obligated to confess her sins to the public, even though I'm sure that many people would eat it up. Public humiliation has been something craved by the masses since the dawn of time, as watching someone being made to profess their faults and crimes in public makes us feel better about ourselves.
Christianity does not require public confession as a precursor for forgiveness, it merely requires you to ask for it. That might be hard to understand to some people, but I guess you can call it one of the perks.
Ask straight men who they have erotic dreams about. The answer will be women. Ask gay men who they have erotic dreams about. The answer will be men. We are not in control of our dreams.
We're assuming Prejean actually wrote the book herself and didn't use a ghostwriter, right?
The world is full of people who are just not very intelligent. I see way too many on this site alone. I can explain, clearly, that you are born straight. That being gay is an abnormality. It is obvious to anybody with eyes. And still you have people like Alumette (not even sure what kind of name that is? boy? girl?) who state that staying that is " not very educated". As if by believing in nature is being uneducated. He/She shows his/her ignorance by even making that statement.
I will tell you what, though. It is sad the amount of people on here who don't believe in God. You don't have to, though. You can live your life living as you want to, just existing. But when you are dead and buried, perhaps burning in hell, then you will believe in god, or at least wishing that you had all of these years when you could.
I don't hate gays. It doesn't change the fact that it is just so obviously wrong to do such an act as that though. I still feel to each his own in their own home. The line is drawn when you start trying to pretend that it is ok. That children are taught that it is ok. That society accepts it as ok. Thank god I don't live in a large city where you, supposedly see this type of stuff out in the open on a daily basis. That is one thing I am very thankful of. You never see gays holding hands or anything like that where I live. Honestly, it wouldn't be stood for.
To Bella: It is a fact that most rural people vote Republican and the highly educated people who live closest to universities and large metropolitan areas where diversity thrives typically vote Democrat. I am speaking of the over-all voters. Naturally there are a small percentage of exceptions.
She should have answered the question by simply saying "Just like President Obama, I am against gay marriage."
You make the left happy by agreeing with the President, and you make the right happy by being against gay marriage.
Have a nice day everyone.
After Joe the Plumber faded from the limelight, the right wing needed another savior.
What I learned about this pageant: 1 If you're not pretty enough on the inside or outside they will loan you money for breast implants. 2. If you have give a poorly worded answer and lose, you can buffalo your way to fifteen minutes of fame. 3. People with notoriety that expouse values on every show or circuit they can get on are brought down for violating those same values (christian / family values). 4. They themselves tend to forget "Judge not less ye be judged. 5. Don't film yourself having sex with yourself or anyone else...ever!
Nobody is perfect. Nobody. It doesn't mean I can't be a Christian because I "sin" or "break the law". Everything is a sin, and so many people are losing credibility because they choose to openly point a finger, or portray a wholesome life. In this society, if you do either one DO NOT GET CAUGHT WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN. Otherwise, you lose ALL creditability. Sad sad. We forgive some so quickly and make excuses (Fort Hood shooter) and others get burned at the stake over something so miniscule.
Carrie Prejean’s comments against gay marriage were no different from President Obama's. Is President Obama a hypocrite? Serious gay activists should condemn the fascistic actions of a small gay mafia in trying to destroy a young woman. She may have made some youthful mistakes in her life but found redemption and maturity, even if some disagree with her current views. We forgive Clinton, and the Rev. Jesse Jackson for their actions as adult, but these gay brownshirts want to destroy her. Again, her comments against gay marriage were no different from President Obama's. Is President Obama a hypocrite?
I just wonder, all the fuss about Carrie – is it because of the writer
of this article and all anit-Carrie people don't like hypocrisy or is it just because she is a Christain that has turned away from the sins of the
Rather leave it to judge for Someone greater than us
Carrie Prejean has a sex tape, huh? While others are labelling her a hypocrite right off the bat, I don't believe in jumping to rash conclusions. Therefore, I'm gonna have to see the sex tape.
Russ,Russ,Russ...You have absolutely no idea what you say, when you said we are born straight. I have been gay since birth. Saying I have made a choice is absolutely false. In no way shape or form is it a choice.
If givin a choice I would have loved to have my prayers answered to be straight. I just wnted to blend in like "some" other straight guys, didn't work out like that though. If your god is giving me and all other gays a test...this is cruel....I realy hope some day people will understand.
Oh yea by the way...I have had sex with so called straight and MARRIED men...Look out wifey poo, you may not know who you are really sleeping with.
@Maxine M. LMAO at your comment "OMG...the same people who thing that being gay is a choice are the same people who don't think Carrie Prejean is a hypocrite"
Its so true. She became famous by stating her values of Christianity and how gay marriage / opposite marriage was not what she was raised on. So some questions to all those that say she is not a HYPOCRITE;
1) Was she raised as a Christian to take half naked pictures of herself?
2) Was she raised as a Christian to make sex tapes of herself?
3) Was she raised as a Christian to judge others who were not raised just like she was or do not believe in what she believes in?
If anyone can answer yes to these questions then I guess both you and her practice a different flavor of Christianity.
I'm Catholic, but I have enough common sense to know people don't choose what they are before they are born. If they can change fine, if they can't, so what. We do not condemn people who are born disabled, tell them they are cursed or make stupid statements as to the reason they are they way they are. What we do is make provisions for them so they can fit in with the rest of society. Tolerance was something that used to be taught in Christianity. We need to start teaching real values.
He who is without sin cast the first stone. From most of the negative comments about Carrie on these and other boards, you all must be saints.
I believe she is 22 now, and the photos were taken earlier in her very young adult (maybe even teen) life. Don't forget, someone saw the opportunity to benefit from her mistake so there really is a lesson here to be learned.
Prejean is just another example of extreme make up there own rules Christian bad parenting. Brain washing I would call it.
By the way I was born a Roman Catholic and have grown to have many spiritual beliefs.
Second of all she is hypocrite...period.
She made a sex tape to further her career...period.
Third of all we need to stop these stupid and I do mean stupid people who claim everything is for "the lord" etc.
If there is a God or if Jesus did walk this earth at one time(which in my heart of hearts I really want to believe) they are probably pretty pissed off at the human race. We have ruined EVERYTHING!
FACT: The bible was written by male chauvinist, hypocritical,racist men with political interests and made up philosophies.
FACT: More blood has been spilled and more wars has been fought over RELIGION than any other subject know to our existence.
So enough with your "My body is the lords temple" ..blah blah friggity blah you waste of human flesh.
People we need to get over naked people and seeing naked people.
Women have breasts and a vagina.
Men have a penis with its own brain.
There should be no shame that comes along with that.
Why is it that we can't show someone naked on t.v. but we can smash their face apart with a brick with brains and blood flying everywhere.
WE ARE ALL HUMAN.
WE ALL BLEED NO MATTER WHAT COLOR SKIN.
WE ALL BELIEVE IN DIFFERENT RELIGIONS...GET OVER IT!
So to wrap up we need to stop giving attention to hypocrites like Prejean, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity,Bill O`Reilly, Fred Phelps and his lovely family of hatemongers and start changing NOW!
NO ONE IS GOING TO HELP US.
NOT GOD NOR BUDDA NOR MOHAMED NOR JESUS NOR SATAN.
WE** ARE** ON *** OUR ** OWN*** AND MUST HELP EACH OTHER!
Many people are quick to call Carrie Prejean a hypocrite when we all have been hypocritical at one point in our lives. We need to stop looking at what others may or may not be doing wrong and instead, look at improving ourselves. How can we do this? Ask Jesus to come into your heart! A sinless man, Jesus, died for our sins so that we may have an everlasting relationship with Him! For those that are skeptical, just seek Him and He will make Himself known to you!
As I understand it, the acclaimed sex tape is years old, likely made when she was 19 or 20. Carrie does have a point when she mentions how young girls are pressured by the media to exploit their bodies, although it's hardly anything new. Every generation decrys the effect of media on youth, especially when new technology goes mainstream that makes it easier for them to expose themselves – camera phones and "sexting" comes to mind for today's youth.
As far as Christianity goes, it's more about forgiveness than it is about living a perfect life. No Christian can, nor are they expected to live a perfect, pristine existance. It's just not possible with all the sin and temptation in the world. That's why Christ died for our sins, so that there would always be a path to redeption should(more like when) we fall astray, so long as we ask for forgiveness.
Wow, that ended up being much more preachy than I intended it to sound. Anyway, cut Carrie some slack. She's still a young girl that has and will continue to make mistakes in her life. You can boo and hiss all you want, but when it comes down to it, she's not hurting anyone and we'd all like to be forgiven if we ever found ourselves in her position.
Heterosexuals act as though they are only thinking of baby Jesus when they are in the throws of orgasmic sex. Many don't like homosexuality because they disagree with the plumbing. All gays would still be gay even if they never had sex. Even if they did not have genitalia. A relationship is more than just sex, but the conservatives want to paint a really dirty picture when gays find nothing dirty at all about their loving relationships which occur in spite of religious bigotry.
Mike so true so true. Just to debunk a little myth on this liberal blog, many Christians are intellectuals. It is such a "cop out" to say that just because someone has values that they are "stupid" or "simple-minded". I am cracking up at the overuse of the word hypocrite on here too. Basically anyone who has ever made a mistake can be tossed that term. I guess conservatives are easy targets because we have values that we are willing to stand up for.
Concerning Debra R's statement, "I would love to see anyone point out in the Bible where homosexuality is condoned, let alone encouraged. i have been unable to find that".
Here's the answer:
King David was "A man after God's own heart" (1 Samuel 13:14), who wrote major parts of the Bible (dozens of Psalms).
David and Jonathan, "Kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded" (1 Samuel 20:41).
When Jonathan died, David eulogized him by saying, "Thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Samuel 1:26).
David's affair with Jonathan was no secret. Jonathan's father, King Saul, knew about it and told Jonathan, "Do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness" (1 Samuel 20:30).
David also liked to perform surgery on the naughty bits of dead guys. "Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines" (1 Samuel 18:25). Instead of rejecting this disgusting request, David fulfilled it twofold. "Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king" (1 Samuel 18:27). Did God disapprove? No. "The LORD was with David" (1 Samuel 18:28).
Carrie Prejean lost me when she professed her belief in Christ, and almost in the same breath said her almost nude model shootings were okay as they were works of beauty. This is hypocrisy, brought on by a watered down version of Christianity; I doubt it very much that this lady really knows Christ, who he is and what he came to do, but then only God knows her heart. As for the gay marriage thing, Yes, we are to love others, but not their sins (Christ followers or not). We are not to judge but show compassion and Christ's love for others without condoning that which is evil according to Christ. It is a fine line to walk and takes spiritual wisdom to make this walk daily. This may seem as judgment against Carrie, but I view it as separating truth from lie. I love her as a sis in Christ, but I can not condone her unchristlike actions. I would sit down and speak with her, if she would agree.
Jesus wrote the Bible in English with a gun on his belt and his pet dinosaur by his side. That's all we know and that's all we need to know.
I read yesterday that 75% of polled Christians believe in ghosts. See what we are dealing with here.
To Russ: who says, Try not to make blanket statements as if they are fact. He says this right after he says, You ARE BORN STRAIGHT . Good grief! Do you see the problem here?
To be a conservative does not mean you must be sexless. She made a tape of herself in a private moment. This does not make her a hypocrite. If she were to sell the tape or announce she is gay- that would make her a hypocrite.
Debra – As a devout Catholic, I has always found myself to be most afraid of those who quote the Bible. Nowadays, when someone quotes the Bible besides my Priest, I get as far aways as possible.
What kind of God requires human sacrifice in the form of nailing his son to the cross? Possibly the same God who sent the Crusaders on slaughtering rampages because "God Wills It"? The bible was written, rewritten and edited by mankind over the past thousand years and is an historical account of a certain timeframe in one small part of the world. Organized religion has been developed by man for the purpose of control over the masses through fear of retribution. It has been said that there are strong paralles between organized religion and organized crime. There's BIG money in the God business.
As for Carrie Prejean she is a hypocrite like a lot of fundementalist evangelicals who sin during the week and become pious on Sunday.
Wow, Mike. As if who leaked it is in any way relevant to the question of her hypocrisy.
Good deflection, though. The Neo-con brotherhood would be very proud.
Debra...Where in the bible is "divorce" condoned. We have such a terrible rate of divorce, marriage is a JOKE!
In response to the very first commenter – isn't it customary to admit to sin before you can repent?
If you truly believe that your goal is to send and reinforce young girls of this country to have a more positive and healthy outlook about themselves based on specific examples, why on earth would you A.) get breast implants, B.) pose for nude photos (that no doubt are re-touched) or C.) participate in pornography when these are the very examples you claim are what is causing the distortion anyways?
It seems very easy for this young lady to hide behind the skirt of Christianity and not take any responsibility for her own actions whatsoever. Show me some actual proof she repentant!
And AMEN to those who've said the reason why so many people DON'T like the right wing is because they always begin with "The Bible says…" Start coming up with conservative values that DON'T involve Christianity and you'll see a lot more people who are willing to listen and consider said values. Not all of us are Christians and I am sick and tired of being bible-thumped! My moral compass points north and my soul is just fine, thank you very much!
Russ said "You no more have a choice of that than your hair color",,,that is right....so, why can't you understand your own logic...you are born gay or straight......no one makes a choice....just like hair color.....get over it...stop the hate and homophobia...they are not looking to convert you...can't happen....you have way too much hate energy......
To Russ: Hey... not really dude....some people are born in between the sexes or simply in the wrong bodies. To think everybody is born straight is ...well....not an educated statement. Homosexuality is not a fad; it is a real issue for the people in that predicament. We need to support and respect them as they are just as "wonderful" human beings as you and I. Get it man?
She came to national attention by using prurient interest in her body, so I see no hypocrisy in her continuing on that career choice.
Carrie Prejean is a clown. The drivel she spouts is the same nonsense that Glenn Beck uses to get people to watch/listen to him. It's hysterics that appeals to the rationally impaired right. She's had her 15 minutes. It's time to put her contributions to society in perspective – misplaced tabloid tripe.
OMG...the same people who thing that being gay is a choice are the same people who don't think Carrie Prejean is a hypocrite........hahahaha
i think everyone should leave Carrie Prejean alone and concentrate on issues that are important, like violence, killings and healthcare and the economy. Carrie Prejean is a great role model for all girls,and,should stand up for her beliefs and not change for anyone. She is going to be more popular and remembered by all.
Wow, and they say Fox News is an extension of the Republican Party? Reading these posts it's obvious CNN is just as much an extension of the Democrat Party...
We're all hypocrites to some extent. But it seems that many liberals would only accept a person being for family values if they renounced all materialism and dressed in Little House On The Prairie clothes. And if someone with "Family Values" sins then you condemn them for being a hypocrite? We all make mistakes, sometimes repeatedly! But being a Christian means we realize our mistakes and confess them, and try not to make the same mistake again! But none of us are perfect.
Ms. Prejean is still very young and being led by folks with an agenda that is far from her best interest. I hope in time she will see the error of her ways. Only time will tell.
So the comments here about judging people and hypocrisy...I'd call them ironic...but it is what I'd expect.
The Bible....there is more to life than quoting some old book written by who knows whom.....really...God or the cosmic energy gave us a mind and a brain so we could use them. It is shameful to see people constantly on the back burner due to their inability to think for themselves. Move on zombies......we have outgrown old cliches that were put there for the control of the masses. As I see it, it worked pretty well. Now is the time to expand and move on as the free spirits that we are.
Who cares how the photos and videos came out? They still exist?!?!
No one is saying Carrie is not allowed to express her opinions; however, when an opinion is based on a piece of fiction compiled over decades in antiquity (the bible), the opinion should be called into question, as should Carrie's ability to use rational thought. Evolution teaches us that there are varying levels of intelligence; indeed, this is the crux of natural selection. Why should we then all assume that everyone is equally intelligent and therefore has equally valid opinions? I know this is an unpopular viewpoint, but science doesn't lie.
Alumette says "November 9th, 2009 7:43 pm ET
She certainly is. Typical "beauty queen"...reminds me of Palin. Superficial people with margical intellects yet bossy and narcissistic. They manage to creep into the limelight until they fade into the darkness where they belong."
Do you not see that is an exact description of liberals? superficial people with marginal intellects yet bossy and narcissistic. A perfect desciption if ever I saw one.
Obviously being gay is a choice... everyone loves being persecuted by all those religious people who feel entitled to judge and harass other people. I wish I had thought to choose to be gay, then I could enjoy all those perks that go along with it: like getting beat to death by homophobics...
BEST choice ever!
And wow I wish people would get over this stupid silly book a bunch of idiotic men wrote, you know that thing you call a 'bible'. WHAT A JOKE
And if you are going to throw so called 'evidence' (ie bull____) from the bible at me, make sure you don't ignore all the other crap in the book that disagrees with your point...
Good Job Kristyn Martin ...!! Keep up the Good work ..!!!
She thought she was going to be the new Anita Bryant - the face of right wing Christian opposition to marriage equality, raking in speaking fees, making paid appearances, posing for pictures, delivering self-serving speeches, taking the Lord's name in vain, and ostentatiously praying in public like some old Pharisee in the street. And all the time she was mapping out this new career, she forgot she'd made a sex tape? Michael Musto said this is the kind of chick who sits on the TV and watches the sofa. She's dumber than a bag of hammers.
Vanessa, again, I reiterate. You ARE BORN STRAIGHT. That is the natural way. Everybody is born straight. You no more have a choice of that than your hair color. The fact that you CHOOSE to do something against nature later in life does not change that fact. People do stupid things. They smoke when they should not, they drink when they should not, they have sex with the same sex when they should not. Doesn't change the fact that a choice is made.
As far as you people who just dismiss the bible as something academics just laugh at- I have to ask you something. Do you think that smart people are really that stupid? There are many, many "academics" who also believe in God. Try not to make blanket statements as if they are fact.
She certainly is. Typical "beauty queen"...reminds me of Palin. Superficial people with margical intellects yet bossy and narcissistic. They manage to creep into the limelight until they fade into the darkness where they belong.
The author of this blog is a liberal nut/conservative hater.
It's obvious because he twist the facts.
For example, the photo's and video's were LEAKED. She did not put those out for public consumption. Failure to mention this is just wrong.
to me: You need to seriously review tax codes. The more children you have the less you are taxed. Have you ever heard of social security benefits for surviving spouses?
Seems like most "Christians" treat their beliefs like a Chinese dinner menu–one from column A, a couple from column B, etc.
So they pick "against gays" from column A while disregarding Christ's teachings of acceptance and love.
They pick "against abortion" from column B while supporting War, and the death penalty, disregarding Christ's teachings (and of course 1 of His 10 commandments!).
And some pick being rich when Christ taught that the path for a rich man into heaven is harder than a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
So Prejean just followed the example of (seemingly) most US Christians–follow only what you want and disregard the rest.
In my lifetime I have rarely heard the voices of true Christians speaking out against the rampant hypocracy of religious leaders and followers.
Which war would Jesus start?
How rich would Jesus be?
Who would Jesus punish with the death penalty?
Which gays would Jesus hate?
What pageants and porn would Jesus support?
where can i get a copy of the tape???
I think that Carrie Prejean has come up against an untrue and false belief (stereotype) where some people think that most people who are against gay marriage both believe in God and are committed Christians. When writers assume that because someone is against gay marriage, they must then be Christian, they make a mistake that can really hinder their understanding of the world. Also, many people believe in God but have not committed themselves to Christ.
So here's Carrie, who believes in God, is not interested in following Christ, and also doesn't believe in gay marriage, like so very many people out there. But she meets a militant gay marriage advocate who wants to make her pay for disagreeing with him, and a media that operates with untrue stereotypes.
Carrie doesn't deserve the ugly words that Ms. Martin hands out, merely because, like most average people, she does not conform to somebody's false stereotype. It's time for the media to admit that many people who are not Christians also do not believe in gay marriage. That would be truthful.
Obviously she is a hypocrite, but for those who keep listing Bible verses and coming out against gay marriage because the Bible/whatever perverted version of Christianity they follow is against it, guess what – we have something called "separation of church and state" in this country. If a specific church wants to prevent a gay couple from marrying in their faith, then have at it. The church is not a government organization. But the government should not prevent it due to solely religious objections. You quote me every Bible verse that has anything remotely to do with homosexuality, but the bottom line is not everyone in this country is a Christian, and not all Christians are homophobic and intolerant. Just like the anti-miscegenation laws that prevented interracial marriage because some people were prejudiced, not allowing gay individuals to marry is denying civil rights, period.
i recall correctly Traci Lords became a christian too. After she was a porn star not before.
Yes there is a passage in the bible about not judging others and yet christians like Prejean seem to have no issues at all judging others. So tired of hearing about this being about her opinion or gay rights. We are just sick and tired of the hypocrisy coming from the Christian Right and Biblical Literalists. Stop telling everyone else what they can and can't do based on your beliefs and then maybe when YOU mess up others will not be so quick to sling the mud back your way.
LOL, this isn't about tolerance anymore. Even if you erased the very thought of homosexuality from everyone's mind forever and ever, she's a big ol' hypocrite.
Evangelical Christian- with a boob job. And naked pictures. And a sex tape.
Those things alone make her one giant hypocrite.
The fact that she opposes gay marriage is just part of being an Evangelical Christian. All of the other things mean she's a hypocrite.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
Modern Day "Christians" are almost hypocritical by design as they pick and chose from the bible as fits.
Let's start with gluttony, one of deadly sins in the bible. When is see people spill out Southern Churches I see a lot of sinners.
True Christian's could never vote Republican and as they are the purest forms of socialists, Jesus certainly was.
Also there is no clear reference in the bible that Homosexuality is wrong, well and if we all believed in creationism, god is the one that made us that way.
"Christians" should channel their time and efforts to be Christians and do good deeds, not spreading hate
Amen, Tuesday!! Oh, sorry that is for Sundays. The other six days you can do whatever you want. Including telling others how they should live and believe.
I'm with Shane... please, Camile, share with the rest of us how it was when you decided to be straight, as opposed to gay. I mean, since one is not born gay or straight, as you say, then surely there was a day that you decided you were "straight". Or.. could it be that you were actually *born* straight? Is that it? Well then, doesn't it stand to reason that someone could be *born* gay? I mean, logically speaking of course. So... please do... tell us your story.
And for the love of God, can Ms. Prejean and her hypocritical self just please go away... go away and take Jon & Kate and their hangers-on with you.
To an outsider, this is the quintessential America.
Why can't conservatives have an academic conversation about anything without quoting some 2000 year old book. This book becomes more and more meaningless with each passing day. To begin every sentence with, "The bible says,".........", is not academic thought. Nonbelievers do not hear any other words that come out of your mouth right after you finish the three words – the bible says. It is a real stretch of the limits of the mind to hear anyone defend this ugly runner-up. She will always be nothing more than a hypocritical runner-up. Gays will be allowed to marry when progressive minds begin to use their own empirical research to make their decisions and old folks die away. Empirical research!!!!!!!!! Imagine that. And you thought you needed Pat Robertson to tell you that all hurricanes are caused by gay marriage. With promises of 76 virgins, wings, everlasting life, cloud beds and streets of gold, it's no wonder noone wants to have an academic conversation.
Did this sex tape come out with her permission? Is she seen hanging around the Girls Gone Wild set with Larry Flynt? I'm still trying to see the hypocricy part here. She's got fake breasts and was a beauty queen. Isn't that part of the job? Is there a verse in the bible that says "Thou shall not inject salt water implants into thy self?. Who freaking cares. She said what she thought was right...not just what some attention starved blogger wanted to hear. I was under the impression that free speech was valid to everyone...not just people you agree with.
In her comment about gay marriage, she talks about it in terms of the values she was raised with. I don't think she was a Johnny-come-lately to evangelical Christianity. So, one can only be led to believe that posing topless, making a sex tape and getting breast implants is A-OK with the Christian right since Ms. Prejean did all of those things while supposedly adhering to the tenets of her faith.
She's just a stupid hypocrite who is/was completely NOT ready to handle her 15 minutes.
She's only in the spotlight because she's beautiful. Clearly, she's never had to develop much beyond that, which is too bad. Perhaps there's a brain under those dyed roots...who knows? The topless pictures, the sex tapes all can only lead us to believe that she herself has internalized the messages she's been sent...that her only worth lies between her thighs and those are the only gifts she has to offer up.
If the right-wing idiots want to run out and listen to this dumb bird (substitute your own word here!), then let them. A fool and their money is always soon parted!
I have many beliefs and values as a Christian woman. Have I remained perfect at following everything I believe? Wow, of course not!! But my sinful actions don't change what I believe and aspire to be. And don't be fooled...sin is sin. If anyone thinks one must never have sinned in their past, present or future, that is simply a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity.
I guess you could say that we are all hypocrites! There is also a huge difference in disagreeing with a lifestyle and judging it. As a Christian I'm going to love everyone I have the opportunity to love period!
Unfortunately, there is a double standard in freedom of speech. If someone with conservative values such as Carrie speaks of her personal convictions, she is the "bad guy". However, ANY liberal point of view is welcomed with open arms in our society.
It really is time for Carrie Prejean to drift into the obscurity that comes with being a former beuaty queen. I could care less about her views on anything, and anybody who holds her out as an positive role model for anything has clearly not done their research. Please, please go away Carrie.
" Or where sex, for reasons other than procreation, are condoned."
It's called the Song of Solomon. It's a whole book about the joys of married sex.
What is frustrating to me as a thinking Christian who believes in the authority of Scripture is that so many people who don't think make the name of Christ look bad. They rush to defend people immediately without thinking whether they are wolves in sheep's clothing (as this lady obviously is) and they worry about things that aren't even Scriptural priorities. Any believer who understands the scriptural teachings about the Kingdom of God or the theology of the City of God (which Augustine found in a thoughtful reading of Scripture) would never campaign publicly against gay marriage, or proclaim public morality, because this is not our mission. People on this thread think that Christians are idiots, and the way that they are reasoning, I can't blame them.
If you believe that homosexuals should not marry, you enforce it at the level of the church, NOT at the civic level. Our mission is to spread the gospel via God's ways, not via laws or public coersion. We shouldn't ever tell any unbeliever how they should live. The Scriptures make plain that the ONLY message we have to unbelievers is the good news of Christ, NEVER "you are living in sin and need to stop it."
I apologize on behalf of the church for the uncritical comments made by Christians on this thread.
BTW, you don't CHOOSE to be straight because that is the natural way. You ARE born straight, EVERYBODY is born straight. You choose to divert from what is natural.
If we are using the sex tape as an argument to say that Carrie Prejean is a hypocrite, the same argument should apply to most of everyone who calls him/herself a Christian, because we all know that Christians don't have sex right?
Let's not beat this thing silly.
"Carrie Prejean and her sex tape: the biggest hypocrite of them all!"
The above was taken from the article.
My answer ... NAW! She doesn't come close to the Repubs and Conservs. And, in addition to being determined hypocrits, they lie through their teeth on anything that Obama proposes.
Death Panels???? What could be more of a Death Panel than an Insurance Company that tosses you out of your coverage when you have a costly medical problem or a pre-condition Health problem?
Tea-Baggers ... the bought and paid for folks that get bussed to "events", given professionally produced signs to carry, and taught the chants by professional Repubs and Conservs.
I am having issues with this article.
First and foremost, let's start with Gay marriage because that's what you're obviously pissed off about. Religiously, it is unacceptable. So, if her religion says it's unacceptable, why shouldn't she embrace those beliefs?
So, herein lies the problem- if gays belong to a religion where it is 'acceptable' for them to marry, then they have the right to participate in their religion and 'marry'. Regardless of a government recognition of that marriage or not, if their church says they are married, who cares what the governement says, right?
However, we all know that this isn't really about calling it marriage. This is about giving them the rights to have the same legal advantages/disadvantages that a marriage has.
I believe that Americans think that if they agree with 'gay' marriage that they are agreeing that it's ok in God's eyes. It's not our job to do God's job. We are not to judge others. So, even though I do not support it religiously ( though I have a few gay friends) I don't see why they can't have the same 'benefits' of marriage. They might find that they lose many tax advantages, etc. It's not all they think it is...
Regardless, my point is that we cannot and should not control other people's religion as citizens of the US. We can only try to share our beliefs, not shove them down someone's throat.
If she doesn't 'believe' in gay marriage, so what? It's not supported by most religions. At least she answered honestly.
Let me add that almost everyone in their lives does something that goes against their moral compass. In religion this is called 'sin'. It is supposed to be forgiven. By God, not you.
I was raised fundamentalist Christian, and while I have heard many in that community say they were opposed to gay marriage and pornography, I have to say that I've never heard anyone in that community say that it was okay to pose naked for anyone but your husband or make video of yourself performing what is generally referred to in those circles as an Onanistic act (much less perform the act to begin with).
Carrie Prejean did not become a hypocrite until it was made abundantly obvious that she was doing a whole lot of stuff that was not acceptable for the community that was holding her up as a role model. It's all fine and good to hold ultra-conservative viewpoints and get paid to talk about them, but it's another thing entirely to talk in the media about what a raw deal you got BECAUSE of your beliefs when all the time you were willing to show your goodies to anyone who would promise to put you in a magazine.
The answer is yes, she's a big old flaming hypocrite and she needs to shut up.
Wake up. people...all the so called Religious Right holier than thou types are all huge hypocrites!!! When are they going to realize that Bill Maher is the one to follow...watch his movie, Religulous...it tells the truth of the nutcases of the so called moral majority !
The bible is just a bunch of stories made up thousands of years ago.....none of it is actually true !!! The joke is on them !!! lol
Leviticus 20:13 – "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Oh how I love the religious '"right".
When they pass out those Bibles maybe they should pass out a basic spelllng book. If you are going to throw religion in my face, please use proper words.
"You Do chose to be a homosexual."
Choose has two Os.
The Bible also says slavery is okay, clear as day. If you are going to quote the Bible, please know it before you use it. TIMES and humanity change.
I agree, release the tape!!!
I don't personally know Prejean and I don't know if she is a hypocrite.
I do know this, preaching "tolerance" and then showing this kind of intolerance towards someone because they disagree with homosexual marriage is hypocrisy.
The biggest question about the pageant is one I've never heard asked:
What moron put the gayest man in America on the judging panel of a beauty pageant? I suppose the same moron who was surprised when he asked a seriously politically loaded question, then got mad when he didn't get the answer he wanted– nay, demanded.
I have no illusions about Prejean- she's popped from the same mold as the rest of the ultra-competitive pageant types, she'll do anything to win. The problem isn't her- it's the fools who set it all up. Seriously, Perez Hilton as a beauty pageant judge? This guy would likely have voted George Clooney above Prejean to begin with. His behavior on his blog after she didn't feed him his DEMANDED answer shows his real stripes- he wasn't an impartial judge. He caused the whole blowup, and Trump enabled it.
It is good to say that certian practices, such as pornography, do much to harm and destroy children, and adults, especially young adults. Anyone who makes statements about the ills of pronography is not making incorrect statements, as I see it.
As for gays getting married, I do not think many Christian churches will ever be performing marriages between gay people. And that is their right, which, thank God, is protected under the constitution. Separation between church and state is not all bad, to me.
However, I am totally against denying anyone their civil rights.
Carrie Prejean's decision to make so many statements about what is and is not moral is her right. However, she has to accept that others will attack her and what she has done in the past will be brought up. It is called, taking responsibility for our actions. She is a big girl. If she can't take the heat she ought to 'get out of the kitchen'. Those who are upset because of ciriticism of her, should 'grow up'.
When you judge publicly, you will, in turn, be judged publicly. That is just a fact. Be adult enough to endure whatever criticisms may follow!
Please take your own advice, stop searching through the bible to see how others SHOULD NOT live and look for guidance on how you SHOULD live. Thanks and Bod Bless
chad in florida, there's a reason it's called the old testament, maybe you should go ahead and read the other half and figure out what your purpose is in life. everyone whose a hater on Christ can't and don't live thier lives as GOD intended it....I can assure that my life is difficult and it's not always as I would like to live it, but at the end days, I have the salvation of Christ in my heart and it's all I need.
She made a sex-tape? I guess she took 'turn the other cheek' the wrong way
Ali M – yes, the Declaration of Independence was also written by men, and that is a tremedously flawed document as black people were kept as slaves and women denied the right to vote or own property.
So, thank you for proving Eddie's point. Both the bible and the declaration of independence are flawed documents.
Slut...thats the best word that comes to mind for her, SLUT. Fake. Crazy. Nut cast.
Wow. The same folks who often preach "tolerance" are so intolerant of others. Yet the same folks throw out the world hypocrite. This article and this thread has been saddening.
A hypocritical Christian? Get out.
Her body is a temple all right.. All that want to worship are welcome there!
Here is Carrie Prejean's background according to Wikipedia:
"Prejean was born in San Diego, California to Francine Coppola and William Prejean. She was raised in an evangelical Christian household in Vista, California....
"Prejean graduated in 2005 from Vista High School. She is currently a senior at San Diego Christian College, a small, evangelical liberal arts college located in El Cajon, California, and attends The Rock Church, where she volunteers with their outreach ministries. Prejean also volunteers with Luv-em-Up Ministries in El Cajon, where she works with children with developmental disabilities."
In short, Debra R's contention that Miss Prejean might have done all these nasty things before her conversion is wrong. Carrie Prejean was raised in an evangelical family, attends an evangelical college, worships at an evangelical megachurch, and volunteers with an evangelical ministry. She knew very well that posing semi-nude and making a sex tape was sinful according to her faith's teachings, and she has no excuse for her behavior.
In short, she's a hypocrite, and a rather obnoxious, self-righteous one at that.
Excellent- please, Camille, by all means share with us the story of the day you chose to be straight. Please don't hold back- tell us all about the evening you might have had sex with a girl but somehow in that moment you chose to be straight. Tell us all about your battle to somehow choose to be straight. We are all waiting with baited breath for this big revelation.
I'm tired of seeing people feel sorry for this hypocrite! Saying "it's sad she can't share her opinion without people tearing her down."
This is coming from a gay guy from the south. I'm accustomed to homophobes and anti-homosexuality comments and when Carrie Prejean opened her mouth I didn't care one way or the other about her views.
But when it hit the mainstream media and she started her anti-gay campaigning that's when I had a problem. It's fine to have a view and to share it, it's different to propagate your views for the discrimination of millions of people.
Then those nude/semi-nude pictures came out, the scandal about her breast augmentation, her refusal to cooperate with the pageant officials and now a SEX TAPE!?!?!?
NOM preyed on this poor girl because it got them press....but now look at her...she just can't catch a break....and she shouldn't be given one. She wanted a public life...now she has it.
What I find really funny is that the sex tape didn't come out until she was in negotiations for her law suit with the Pagent officials. AND while the lawyers start the tape, she's spouting how disgusting it is... right up until the camera, in the video, pans up to her face! All while her Mother is watching. Yep... that's good 'ole Christian values... LOL Her Mother must be so proud! How's she going to explain this one?
It seems that Miss Prejean has forgotten the parts of the New Testament where Jesus decried hypocrites as a generation of vipers.
Seems to me that everything in this situation is working out exactly as it should in the United States. Ms. Prejean gave her honest opinion about a political issue (as is her right), then those in charge of a contest in which she had entered voted against her possibly or possibly not because of her statement (as is THEIR right). I could expect the same treatment if I went to my local GOP caucus and asked to be one of their leaders but said I was for big government. It's my right to state my political opinion and their right to not reward me for it because my opinion is against the political stance that THEY take. Same thing as happened to Ms. Prejean; her personal political opinion is apparently the opposite as those of the judges who voted against her.
Now you can all choose to support Ms. Prejean or not, as is YOUR right.
Release the tape!
It must be nice to be a liberal since hypocrisy cannot exist where there are no standards.
Where Can I see the tape?????
Carrie Prejean is the epitome of hypocrisy. She is fake. She is disgusting. She is evil, inside a pretty body. She has no respect for herself and acts as if she does. She is the reason people step away from religion; for the very fact that she doesn't practice what she preaches. She should go back to hell where she came from.
roman 1 verse 24
CAMILLE: Ignorance is unforgivable in this era of instant information. Homosexuality is a part of normal human genetic variation. Kind of like being born female, or redheaded.
Hypocrites aren't born, however; they're made. And often within the confines of a church. Spirituality can do beautiful things for people, but religion just seeks to divide and overpower.
@ Camille: no one chooses to be homosexual. It's just a fact, and you should accept it.
The argument that straight people cant speak their mind when it comes to gay marriage, but homosexuals are given the freedom of expression, is obviously not true. For whatever reason, people fueled with the flavor or religious zest do NOTHING but promote inequality, imagine being told YOU cant marry. I dont believe in god and also am smart enough to realize the bible holds no meaning besides some stories written for morality guidelines geared at children, but I dont walk around promoting my beliefs into the political spectrum. Seperation of church and state! Allow gay people go get married, OH and definitely quit talking about Carrie whatever her name is. She is a hypocrite...judgemental, unapologetic, ruthless, deceitful and oh yeah – skanky! (nudey pics and a sex tape....real values). WHAT A JOKE!
When I was born, to my knowledge, I don't believe that I was able to choose, whether I would be born a baby boy, or girl. For that being said, who would ever choose to be born "gay" ? The fact that people, who have not had the experience of having a child who is gay, might not understand that even though the person who has been born that way, is, at the time they come out", it is not something that one "chooses". Believe when my child discovered that he was gay, he cried. He has been with his partner for 23 years. He and his partner, are devoted to one another. Even though their "gayness" isn't made it comfortable to be this way, they have made arrangements to which ever of the two becomes ill or passes, a will has been made up to protect the survivor, from losing all property. Or, if one is in the hospital, a form has been made, so the other one can visit the other in the hospital. They have made arrangements, so the survivor will be granted all rights given to heterosexuals have. I am proud of my son and his partner.
Are people still quoting the bible these days? Chris, why don't you abide by the commands around those verses you posted? Next time you're child back talks you kill him! If your wife has an affair stone her! The fact that there are people that take this stuff seriously is unbelievable. Oh and Camile, don't speak of things you don't understand- "homosexuality is a choice." Religion is a choice! Glad we have man's law or else we'd be doing things the old testiment way and be no different than the Middle-East. Because let's face it, the Old Testiment is no different than the Koran. Just read it!
Why does everyone think this gal would have won if not for her comments on gay marriage? Is there some rule that says she has to be crowned champion because she spoke out?
Further...if you listen to the gay marriage answer she gave, it's not a well-stated answer! It's not that she spoke against gay marriage...it's that she's a terrible public speaker! Her answer was hesitant, jumbled, unclear and meaningless. She fumbled her way through looking like a deer in headlights and ultimately said nothing! She didn't support her position in her answer, she just said "I'm for opposite marriage (!?!)...sorry but that's just how I was raised". THAT'S a winning answer? I don't think so.
you say, "the Bible was written by men." Well, so was the Declaration of Independence, but that doesn't make a difference, does it?
GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES
See also Adultery; Sensual, Sensuality
Sexual association of individuals of the same gender. God forbids sexual activity of this kind.
Bring them out unto us, that we may know them, Gen. 19: 1-11 (Moses 5: 51-53). Thou shalt not lie with mankind; it is an abomination, Lev. 18: 22 (Lev. 20: 13). There shall be no sodomite of the sons of Israel, Deut. 23: 17. They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not, Isa. 3: 9 (2 Ne. 13: 9). Men burned in their lust one toward another, Rom. 1: 27. Abusers of themselves with mankind will not inherit the kingdom of God, 1 Cor. 6: 9-10. The law is not made for a righteous man, but for them that defile themselves with mankind, 1 Tim. 1: 9-10. Those who go after strange flesh are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire, Jude 1: 7.
Interracial and homosexual marriage is not the same. You do not choose your race! You Do chose to be a homosexual. Homosexuality is unnatural and the Bible confirms that. The Bible however, does not say we should hate, it says that we should love our neighbors. But loving our neighbors does not mean we have to agree with what they choose. Judging in biblical terms means saying something is wrong or right without any biblical authority . When the bible says as clear as day that homosexuality is wrong how is it that those who have a conviction and belief in the bible are judging? The bible says it! I don't hate homosexuals. I dont hate anyone but I do not agree with their choice and will not support anything that comes along with that choice.
I understand the perceived need for political correctness, but honestly, I will not refrain from stating my opinion or arguing a point I can reasonably support because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings. I refuse to exempt religion from criticism because just like everything else, if it is dangerous and threatens the needs of society, I will speak out.
That being said, religious reasons are not legitimate reasons, because evidence isn't a factor– it is FAITH in the face of evidence that allows people to make judgements and then claim that they're merely reflecting the bible or representing the stance of their religious faction. This absolves their conscience, and so religious people feel free to say whatever they want, because they feel it isn't them saying it.
It is my opinion that it is a worse offense to support and justify hypocrisy than it is to release a sex tape, admit wrong doing, and then ultimately apologize.
Yeah, she was 'floggin' the dolphin' or 'Finding Nemo' as the lead character on 'House' would say.....getting it on film was the brilliant part...gotta love those conservatives!
nothings worse than hypocrites, except for politicians. Just because your "saved" doesn't excuse anyone's actions.
Debra: Are you really saying homosexuality is wrong, using the Bible as a reference, and then following it up with: "There is also the Bibical saying 'judge not lest ye be judged'"?
Kristyn: That said, I am interested in when the recording was made and given.
Debra, I would love to see someone point out in the Bible where divorce is condoned. Or where pre-martial sex is condoned. Or where sex, for reasons other than procreation, are condoned. I have been unable to find that either. But it seems those aren't quite as important to the Christian right to discuss.
I don't have an issue with someone being against gay marriage. By all means, stand up for the rights you believe in. But don't come at me with some holier-than-thou attitude all the while engaging in behaviors that are questionable to say the least. There is no degree of sin, right.
Oh, come on. How many fine Christian women - and my life is filled with many, both family and friends - do you know who have breast implants to be in a pageant, pose for naked pictures and have a sex tape? Are we to believe all of this happened before she "repented"? This woman is a fraud and you know it.
Christianity = Hipocracy
IMO Anyone who thinks they are in the right to judge someone needs a reality check themselves. God will judge me and everyone else when their time comes. Any Christian– or Muslim, Jew etc etc etc has no right to place judgement on someone else for their choices. Live your life the way you want to live it and worry about you.
A Straight Religous Woman
I do agree with "judge the lest the not be judged" however, isn't that what she has and is doing. That is way people say she is a hypocrite. I do not judge people, gay, black, white or other wise as I am not perfect in God's eyes either. But u can not stand and talk about what others are or have done as she does and then use the Bible to shut people up when u are the target.
I belive on her stance of alot of things, but actions speak louder than words.
Sin is sin. If its Lying, Adultry, Fornication, or Homosexuality. It is all the same. So called "Christians" like to go after issues likes Homosexuality, but fail to see that them sleeping around is just as bad.
I didn't know there was a sex tape. I staunchly stood behind her and now there is a sex tape. This changes everything. How can she begin to justify that?
@ Debra R
You're right. Christianity is about forgiveness. But it would give her far more credibility as an outspoken Christian if she took responsibility for her OWN actions and then show how she's grown since she's become a Christian. Though I doubt she is a recent converter seeing as in the pageant, she kept repeating her anti-marriage equality stance as something she was "raised to believe". Sounds to me like she was raised Christian.
Regardless, if she's made mistakes in the past, like we all do, she shouldn't pretend like she's this untouchable "Holier than thou" person. It's incredible that she condemns pornography...but then she's in a sex tape? She claims that "Our bodies are temples of the Lord. We should earn respect and admiration for our hearts, not for showing skin to look sexy ...", but she's made her entire CAREER out of showing her skin and looking sexy.
Live as I say...not as I do.
In reply to your second paragraph: Let he without sin cast the first stone.
I'm glad that this hypocrite's 15 minutes of fame is over. She's a knucklehead
That's the whole point about glasshouses. I would be more inclined to believe her "conversion" truthful if SHE had come out with these really interesting revelations. I didn't care what she thought when she made her comments at the pageant – she was asked a question and she answered it truthfully, even if people didn't like it. But since then,her whole marketing of "moral values" has been a disgusting attempt at cheap celebrity especially since she seeks to minimize her less-than-clean past with the "I have repented" catch-all. The Bible is very clear about speaking out about right and wrong and judging people – "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone", "First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.", and "judge not yet lest ye be judged". Ms. Prejean should read the Bible more carefully to see whether she's within the moral framework that she so self-righteously preaches about.
"However I would love to see anyone point out in the Bible where homosexuality is condoned, let alone enciouraged. i have been unable to find that. –"Judge not lest ye be judged"."
The conservative hypocrisy continues...
Yes she is a hypocrite. She, like so many other hypocrites, is the reason why Christianity is losing respect and credibility.
Practice what you preach or get out of the pulpit.
Debra, quoting the bible in one sentence and condemning homosexuals in the next seems a bit out of bounds. Telling someone else not to judge others and then judging an entire group of people your self is awfully high-and-mighty of you.
And yes, the Bible does not condone homosexuality but it does not endorse prostitution and money hoarding either. However, these are the very people Jesus called to him for redemption. You and I are no better than anyone else. Instead of holding people at arm's length because you don't agree with them or their lifestyle, maybe you should show them the love and compassion of Christ by ministering to them and Jesus would have.
All that aside, marriage is an institution of the state and not the church from a legal viewpoint-so it's the same as saying interracial marriage is wrong in the eyes of the law. This country allows us to be free to choose, and people are allowed to disagree with another's choices, but not to limit them.
Yes, her body is a temple all right. A silicone temple. If she truly believes what she's saying, it seems that she'd have the implants removed and cut back on the hair, make-up, and tanning enhancements. "Repentance" is meaningless unless it's accompanied by action. You can't just say you're sorry; you have to do something to prove it. So far, she hasn't done much, has she?
Gosh this girl is a train-wreck. They should put her and Sarah Palin on a one way street and ask them to go backwards. If this is the new face of the Republican party no wonder we are the laughing stock of educated people oll over the world.
Debra R – What about the thing about "loving thy neighbor"....??
Perhaps you should pay attention to your own comment, especailly regarding gay marriage:
Judge not lest ye be judged.
So Debra R you are saying it is alright for her to be a hypocrite. Its alright for her to talk about conservative issue and things like that, but turn around and do porn and take topless picture. Is it also alright for her to get breast implants. If all these thing are ok then the conservative view is looking kind of left.
This all stemmed from her expressing her opinion..sad how ppl are treated for speaking your mind w/o having someone literally tear you down. Just as gays have a right to express their opinion, so is a straight person. This doesn't give anybody a right to be ridiculed for their belief.
There is also a saying to those who judge her, "Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone"....
Now since that is all settled, I think we can all return to our lives and stop judging lest we be judged in that same standard, b/c frankly that stone we are so keen on throwing to someone might just land on ourselves.
Debra R, get off your high horse, she is a hypocrite. trying to make a buck off right wing nuts. the bible was written by men, wake up Debra.
It would be interesting to see when the tape was released BEFORE leaping to the conclusion that the woman is a hypocrite...after all if it was BEFORE her conversion, that would be understandable as Christianity is about repenting .
As for being against gay marriage I know a lot of people including gays who are against it. that does not mean you are or are not "christian". However I would love to see anyone point out in the Bible where homosexuality is condoned, let alone enciouraged. i have been unable to find that.
There is also the Bibical saying "judge not lest ye be judged"
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