What is a model? Is it a pretty face? A ‘good’ body? If it is someone with a ‘good’ body, what is that? A girl who is skin and bones? I know that isn’t me, and it definitely isn’t the majority of America where the average size is a 14.
It is hard growing up as a girl in this country and being bombarded with those images. It takes a toll on young women- I know it did on me. Some companies are taking steps to help- Glamour magazine put this picture of Lizzi Miller in their latest issue to illustrate what a real woman looks like. Lizzi is a “plus size” model- although at a size 12/14 she is hardly plus size, in fact, in America, she is average. So I don't get it, is average the new plus?
I applaud Glamour for putting Lizzi in their magazine and showing us real women but clearly we still have a ways to go. On the cover of the same issue that Lizzi proudly shows off her soft belly, the magazine teases an article inside about “3 Flat Belly Secrets.” Now isn’t that sending a bit of a mixed message?
I remember vividly being about 8 years old and posing in front of my mirror in my bedroom like a model- Madonna’s ‘Vogue’ was big back then (don’t judge me). At the time I thought I was pretty; my parents told me I was and I was too young to be affected by things in magazines and on TV.
I also remember that blissful ignorance disappearing at an early age as I entered what is now commonly referred to as my ‘tween’ years as I was barraged with images on television, in magazines, in ads at my favorite clothing stores and on my favorite pop singers. I wanted to get a perm because I wanted curly hair like Stephanie Tanner on Full House; then a few years later I had to have a straightener because I needed my hair to be as straight as Britney Spears. I was the first of my group of girlfriends to go through my growth spurt and as I struggled to fit into the teeny tiny clothes that they still squeezed into from stores like Abercrombie & Fitch, I would sit at home and look at the catalogue and wish I were as skinny as the bony models. I was 14. I look back now at the pictures of myself and think, ‘if only I could go back and talk to that girl and tell her…’
What do you think? Should more magazines show realistic images of women like Lizzi Miller?
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The love handle/gut photo is gross. I don't care how many plus size models they get to shove down our throats... FAT ain't attractive.
Hooray, being overweight and fat is "normal" and a "real woman"; let us celebrate this mediocrity.
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I agree completely. I wish I could go back & talk to me when I was younger & sometimes I even worry abt myself at this age. I see all these girls & worry abt not being good enough & its a sickening thought. I'm 5'4 & 116. I'm at my healthy weight but I'm still scared that I'm fat & I need to work out and eat less junk food. I know that thats just silly. So its really scary to have these thoughts. When we do put a real girl into the pages we CAN'T call her plus size. Its wrong. I don't agree w/saying its ok 2b ovr weight either. I believe in being healthy & dont agree w/the whole concept. I worry abt girls my age being over weight cuz I know wat it does to the body. I hav an aunt who's going through Hell cuz she's over weight & now that shes at her age she can't get it off. I think we need to support healthy things & throw away all this bull & lies to make people feel better or to just be crazy & make them feel worse. I know the clothes may look better to some on the skinny models but in the end its just not worth it.
Joe, I think it's great that you obviously have a good deal of self esteem and don't havev any body issues or hang ups about your looks. The fact is that there are people-men out there too who are not as confident and that's not their fault. It's billions upon bilions of dollars spent on adverising to make you feel bad about yourself so that you'll spend your hard-earned money on turn around cream or the latest invention that doesn't work. I am not the overweight person that you think I am, I just have a realistic and sympathetic perspective. I'm not asking for any excuses but if you think that celebs have realistic bodies and goals then maybe you are just as arrogant or shallow as they are. I hope you don't judge on looks because you're missing out on the majority of the population. Or maybe you are truly beautiful and feel that you are completely justified on making such general and sweeping remarks. I'm not overweight but because of bone structure I'll never be able to be a size 8/10/whatever- that does not make me a bad person. Please think before you make such judgements and write people off. Maybe other people may even give you a chance.
Lizzie actually has a great body . Her legs and arms look relatively toned – no fat there, and her tummy doesn't actually look like it has a roll of fat, just some extra skin. She isn't fat – she just isn't a twig. She doesn't look like a size 12/14 to me. More like a 10. I wear 12/14 and I *wish* I looked that good sitting in that position (being 39 and having 4 pregnanies will do that to you). It is silly to say that belly form is all a matter of crunches and gym time. I never had the "bounce a quarter off it" flat stomach even when I was a kid. Genetics are at play here, too.
I think this is was a great post Brittany. This needs to be spoken of more than it has been...
Also, regarding the Jon and Kate post(which is currently maxed out and closed for comment). I'd like make a claim that this whole divorce senario is all for ratings only, a hyped up lie -and predict a 'reunion' within two weeks time and the marriage repaired. That way all of America can live happily ever after with Jon and Kate. It's all done for televsion, sad to say for the children. Watch, you'll see it soon...
Sadly, the current size 12 is totally a vanity size. Yes, Marilyn Monroe was a size 12, but if she were wearing today's garments, she'd more than likely measure out at a size 6 or 8. While I am not justifying the use of airbrushing or extreme diets, I do think we need to be careful how we justify weight problems and obesity in this country.
It's time to start judging women more fairly to start setting the standards more realistically
Glad Mike isn't my doctor....I would hope he had more to do than blog about this all day....and Mike I'm a 5'7" 135# size 4 mother of 2 teenagers, since that seems so important to you!
to AZ native but living in UK, regarding "Also Joe, women don’t dress to impress men- we dress to impress other women! It’s about self image and esteem, not attracting a mate (which is much easier)." As stated in my previous comment, if all women know that the magazines and media are airbrushed and fake, then why would you think you need to be stick thin to impress other women? I say again, learn to find happiness and acceptance within yourself and stop pandering up to the elites. Oh, and regarding your previous post, I work a 9-5, with overtime, and just bought a house, which comes along with a miriad of responsibility, and I still find time to work-out and eat right. As I said before, stop blaming others or the media for your own self-esteem/self-worth issues. If you are overweight and don't like it, then get in shape! Don't ask the rest of us to lower our standards or change our concept of health to fit your lifestyle. Not to mention, health and weight issues aren't a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. Health and weight can be debated forever, but calling someone who is overweight "REAL", won't make them live any longer or be any healthier.
I was watching Snow White last night with my son (such a Disney classic!) when I noticed something. Snow White has a normal waistline. My favorite Disney movie when I was a child was The Little Mermaid. Have any of you seen how tiny Ariel's waist is? Go ahead, compare Snow White and Ariel and you will see the difference. The idea that super tiny is attractive isn't just in our magazines...its in our cartoons as well.
Just because the "average" woman is 12/14 doesn't mean people want to see them unclothed in a magazine. Lizzie has a really pretty face and I'm sure she looks great in clothes and its great she is comfortable with herself...but I just don't want to see her naked.
It's not good for models to be stick thin...but there is a middle ground between stick thin and a the above picture. Check out any fitness magazine...healthy, toned women...that's what I want to see (and i say this as a woman).
With regards to models and the fashion industry, Brenda nailed it on the head:
"Let’s be real: The fashion industry’s obsession with anorexic thin models is not by chance. Look at who the world’s most famous designers are in the past and today–gay men. The stick thin models they have show off their cloths don’t have curves, no hips, no breasts, no suppleness, boney angled faces…in other words, they look like teenaged boys! It’s so obvious and somehow this has seeped into mainstream culture. Think about it. Before the rise of the fashion industry in the 70s and 80s, most images of American women were of full-figured, voluptuous WOMEN (think Marilyn Monroe). Heterosexual men want a woman–a soft, curvy, feminine woman…not sticks imitating 13 year-old boys."
Also Joe, women don't dress to impress men- we dress to impress other women! It's about self image and esteem, not attracting a mate (which is much easier).
Regarding high blood pressure and diabetes meds: I know quite a few thin to normal weight people who have been taking blood pressure meds since they were in their 20s. Should we not pay for those? Who should and shouldn't get the meds they need? Cholesterol has been linked to heredity, also, so should we decide who does and doesn't get meds for that?
How about people that drink and develop liver disease? Are they worth medicating?
Start this stuff and euthanasia is not far behind.
I think what we need to take into consideration is that celebrities and actors/ actresses are paid to look good. It's their job. They don't go to the gym after work or picking up the kids, they work out during 9-5 because they get paid to look good. They are not leading lives that 99% of the rest of the population does, so they're not going to look like 99% of us. They have personal trainers, dietitians, make up artists, hair stylists, image consultants, chefs and assistants who also get paid to make them look good. Plus you will never see an official image of a celeb (discounting paps etc) that is free from alterations, fact. Nobody escapes the airbrush technician (who is also paid to make them look good), not even Jessica on the cover.
People are so judgmental and completely full of themselves or qualifications if they think they can assess if someone is unhealthy from a singe photo. Dr. Mike- do no harm. You thoughtless comments are the kind that do not help someone's mental health and it is irresponsible as a doctor to make such general remarks. A person can be as healthy physically but health is both body and mind.
Just one comment to all the women on this board saying things like "all these airbrushed size 0 models make us feel bad" and "this is what a REAL woman looks like". What is wrong with you? If you are able to come on this board and tell all of us how you know the models are airbrushed, and how you know its unrealistic, then why do you still allow them to make you feel bad? I mean come on! That's like me watching a cartoon and feeling bad because the superheros are more muscular than me. If you know its all BS, then why let it get to you? You act as if you have no independant thought of your own and are just sheep following the masses. Take charge of your life and your own beliefs and stop blaming the media for feelings of inadequacy! Either accept for yourself for what you are, or make up your mind to change your own life. I'm so tired of people putting so much energy into trying to change the rest of world, when all they have to do is make a change in themselves. Oh, and two quick points. From a guys perspective, a size 0 isn't attractive, so I don't know who you think it is that is pressuring you to look that way, cause it certainly isn't us! But on the same vein, a size 16 isn't attractive either. You can say valuptuous and curvacious, and REAL woman all you want, but you can't make me find a fat person attractive. People are attracted to good looking, in shape people, its only natural, thats just the way it is.
I'm 55 years old and have been heavy all my life, except for a five year period when I went down to a size 14, THE SMALLEST I EVER GOT. Back then, plus sized clothes started at size 20 or 22, NOT 14. If you were heavy and a kid, there were no "young" clothes for you. You ended up in some "old lady's dress" from Sears.
A size 14 is healthy, not heavy. Too much emphasis is being placed on the anorexic look, heroin chic, and the like. The government doesn't help with constantly talking about the obesity "epidemic."
Amen to Glamour magazine for putting a real woman on the cover.
The fact of the matter is that women come in all shapes and sizes. There are just as many unhealthy "thin" women as there are unhealthy "fat" women.
Magazines force society to draw conclusions about others based solely on how they look; having nothing to do with how they take care of themselves. There is no "ideal body weight" or "ideal body size" because everyone has a different makeup and for each individual these things are dependent on so many factors: not only diet and exercise, but also musculature, age, body fat content AND distribution, metabolism, etc.
I applaud Glamour's efforts to try to incorporate a different size woman into their magazine; however, I don't think that they (or any other magazine) are doing enough. When *one* plus-size model is in *one* fashion magazine in *one* article for *one* issue...is that really enough to promote a healthy body image to the readers?
Look , I understand the dangers of anorexia and how constantly showing thin models may lead to eating disorders in young women. But the reality of the situation is the average American is overweight and because of this reason the media receives a lot of push from this group of people to “glorify” the real American women. I now see a new problem, girls will no longer feel the need to be skinny, and instead they will become more like the average American woman – fat.
I am not trying to be harsh, growing up I used to read all the fashion magazine and never once can I remember saying to myself, gee I wish I looked like her. But my reality isn’t the average American woman’s. I grew up skinny, and even now I am thin woman. I eat what I want but exercise at least three times a week. I am appalled by this new trend, Oh course I wouldn’t want my own daughter sticking her finger down her throat to be thin, but I don’t want her to think it is acceptable to be overweight either.
There is no question in my mind that this model is beautiful, but I don’t believe she is healthy either.
Thanks Glamour! As a 50+ woman who is having a hard time coming to grips with going from a size 10 to a size 12 in the past year, it really helps to see someone who's not ashamed of her size and is celebrated for it. Years of being bombarded by all of the "skinny" images has created an atmosphere where we have focused more on the "size" than the health of women. Right now, I'm not feeling nearly as bad about being a size 12 – and I would actually love to go out and buy clothes if I could see more pictures in magazines of women my size modeling the latest fashions. SURELY the designers can spend a little more time designing for the majority of women in America and helping us look and feel good about ourselves!
12/14 may be "average" but fat is still fat. We're an overweight nation.
The whole idea I got from glamour magazine is that it is okay to be a little overweight, however, that is not going to take you on the cover of the magazine. Simpson was blasted for gaining wait and some magazines said she should be left alone, but I don't think she was back on any cover until she lost it again. Let's face it, thin bodies are never going to be out of fashion, doesn't matter how anorexic or sick they might be. I am a size 10 and I always think there is room for improvement since I used to be a size 6. And these magazines drive you crazy thinking you can do it in a record amount of time. What people don't realize is that most of the tricks that they publish for "losing weight" or "trimming belly fat" is for people who are size 4 and want to become size 2. For anyone to lose considerable amount of wait, they need to commit to a healthy life style forever. There are no quick fixes.
I wish people wouldn't use numbers to equate health or beauty. Numbers can be deceptive. When I graduated college (going on 10 years now) I weighed 87 pounds - I'm only 4'11". I thought I looked and felt fabulous, and got more attention from men than I really knew what to do with. I was a size 00 and often shopped in the children's section for pants. Then around age 23 I began to slowly put on weight... next thing I know I'm 30 years old and weigh 151 - at under 5 feet tall! I finally said enough was enough, and joined Weight Watchers, and begin exercising 6 days a week (for an hour a day). I've dropped 35 pounds, now weigh 116 and can wear anything from a size 2 to a size 6.
Happy ending, right? Well, numbers can be deceptive. I look great and feel healthy, and yet I still feel "wrong" being even at 116 - despite the fact that the healthy weight range for a woman my height is 109-124. From a medical standpoint I'm right where I should be, but from a "beauty" standpoint I wonder if I'm too big because I'm in triple digits. And what about the numbers on the clothes tags? They're so varietal... from a 2 to a 6? Whatever. Why does the tag matter? Anser: it doesnt.
I think the model looks great - a real "average" woman. And you know, no matter how much weight I lose I will never have a flat tummy simply because I've had a child... the only way I'll get a tummy you can bounce a quarter off of is if I got a tummy tuck.
It's sad though that this was probably just a publicity stunt... the next issue will see a return to anorexic models. I hate the fashion industry.
While I think it is stupid to label a size 12/14 plus size, we as women are held hostage by the fashion industry. The designers and makers of womens clothing should smarten up and start designing based on women in the 10-12-14 size range. We have a lot of money to spend on clothing.
Woa dude – Lizzi looks good!
Everybody gets a trophy.
fat is fat. it's wrong to love your unfit body.
Wow, what a great discussion- I love some of these comments, particularly the ones from the guys. Its wonderful that this picture has gotten so much attention and that people are thinking and talking about this issue. Personally, I think she looks great. She does not appear to be unhealthy- and as for the abdominal fat issue, that little "pouch" may not be the type of adiposity that is associated with metabolic syndrome, a risk factor for heart disease and diabetes- but without blood tests, you cannot say for sure. Also interesting, is that people can have a normal BMI and also have metabolic syndrome:
abdominal obesity <35 inch for women,
high blood pressure
high blood sugar
While being overweight (BMI<25) is a factor, post-menopause, smoking, a diet high in processed carbohydrates (ie, white flour,corn syrup), and little exercise are also factors. I highly encourage anyone who may have those risk factors to have testing.
Just FYI, I love my own body...I treat it right, my BMI is less than 25, and my body works fine- never complains and gets me where I need to go! Isn't that the most important thing? :-)
As several of the entries have stated, "Fat is fat." Fat represents a negative extra–an excess. It speaks volumes to primal intuitions pertaining to mobility, energy, and other capacities.
Fat gets a bum rap because two things are clear: 1) Beauty represents a balance; 2) Beauty is healthy.
Obviously, we're seeing beauty being propped up by those with a marketing interest, but its admonishing properties always manage to really get lost on the fatties. It's popular among fatties to introduce what's known as a strawman argument in the form of "Why would you want everyone to be as unhealthy as a young girl with eating disorder?", which isn't what anyone actually offers. Additionally, that's not the opposite of being a fatty. The opposite of being a fatty (or the sick girl) is being healthy.
If you weigh 190 and healthy would be 120, then lose the 70 and we'll all be sure to stop you there. We don't want you skinny.
Congratulations await you, but you'll probably fail. If you don't like you enough to be healthy, why should we like you at all?
This model is of a realistic yet healthy looking weight. The irony is that magazine models are very skinny while over half the population is actually obese. There is a huge disconnet. Why not play to the crowd you are trying to sell?
I, myself, am of appropriate weight for my height, not skinny, not fat. When I look at clothes in magazines I have a hard time envisioning how they would look on my healthy body. Let's see what the styles would look like on a real person.
Fat chicks rule.
Models are aspirational. We should leave them alone. Clothes look better on a clothes hanger. That is why designers hire models. I have been in the modeling business for 18 years. I am not gay. I do not hate women. I have represented thousands of models over the years. In that entire time, I have witnessed 3-5 eating disorders and they all started far before a modeling career began. I have been married for 15 years and have 3 kids. My wife is the hottest woman alive! She is a size 4 simply because she is disciplined in her eating and exercise. I would love her the same if she was a size 24. She has given birth to our 3 children and I know that bodies change over time and with kids. Should we then put size 14 women aged 48 on the cover of magazines because that is the average American woman? I am 50 pounds overweight. I have no desire to see fat men on the cover of GQ. That is gross. I am fat because I don't eat well and don't exercise. Go figure!
Oh, and to anyone who might think I'm being sexist or unsympathetic to women's feelings, I ask you this: who's sexier? Hugh Jackman or Ron Jeremy. It goes both ways.
A few things I would like to say......
First....I don't thing any woman can slouched over in that pose and not have a slack, puffy belly. For one, I would like to see her belly when she is allowed to stand tall, shoulders back.
Second......my brother, a very fit fireman, had a doctor walk into the exam room, take one look at his height and weight and say, and I quote, "Okay the BMI means @^*%." According to it, my brother is morbid obese. My brother had a full metabolic tests done for University research, and he uses almost 3x the amount of calories a normal person does, just to sleep, because his muscle mass needs that much norishement. But then, if someone can run into a firey building wearing a 20lb coat, SCBA, tanks, and expect to run up flights of stairs, they are going to have some muscle mass!!
Third....yes, I am working to loose a few extra pounds I have put on over the years. However, I too, have had a doctor tell me that I will never be able to get to my ideal weight according to the BMI charts without risking my health. I'll be lucky to get within 15 lbs of it!! I have muscles under my extra padding, and can easily toss my misbehaving 70 lb, 7 year old over my shoulder and march him to his room. Additionally, the women in my family tend to be, well, built., as in naturally a D cup. Something else those size 0-2 not even legal adult models don't have.
Say what you will, thin is still nicer to look at. And while we are on the subject, we ARE a nation of fatties, I think perhaps we are not trying hard enough to look like the people on magazine covers. When we get a fraction of the people dying of anorexia that we have dying of heart disease induced by FAT then I'll believe we have a problem. Eat healthy, get some exercise, and quit trying to tell me being overweight is okay.
You say models are airbrushed? I agree, but let us not delude ourselves by thinking they look nothing like their pictures. I have seen plenty of beautiful finely sculpted humans in my time and none of them were on magazine covers. What is so wrong for wanting to look hot? Everyone should want to be hot. Long live hot people! By the way, I work out ever day and I love having a great, fit body with no belly what so ever. Peace.
Other than those who are overweight due to some medical condition... I find it SO funny how the "lazies" simply divert the guilt back over to those who put effort into making themselves fit and healthy. Fat is not attractive at all. Not to me, at least. It's reminiscent of squishing peanut butter through my toes. And for the individual who was using the excuse that they couldn't afford a gym membership... go outside. There is a whole world you can exercise in. All it takes is a pair of shoes. That, and taking onion rings out of a diet.
The model is pretty, but she would look better with some lipo.
She's a professional model - give me a break, and trim the fat.
According to science, beauty is a function of health. In general, healthier people are viewed as more attractive. Additionally, science has found an extremely high correlation between body and facial symmetry and attractiveness. More so, symmetry is highly correlated with health. So one might argue, health=beauty=symmetry.
Its not a complex notion. Nature uses beauty to advertise good health and good genes. This ensures that healthy individuals mate together, producing healthy offspring and strengthening the species.
Has anyone ever seen a symmetrical and sexy flabby belly? How about symmetrical and sexy cottage cheese?
The problem is, we are built as hunter gatherers, but live like slugs.
Our bodies are designed to gorge and fast. Food sources were never very reliable in prehistory. So the ability to store energy as fat was a survival trait. The ability to store fat was attractive.
However, we now eat 3 meals a day, with snacks scattered throughout, without any hunting or gathering. This means you're burning less calories than you are taking in. This leads to fat deposits. Allowed to collect, this turns the finely tuned sleek body of a hunter into the bulbous body of a scavenger. Too much of a good thing is not good.
Being overweight is by definition antithesis to being healthy. So in a country where the average person IS overweight, I can understand the average person wanting to change the concept of what is higher order attractiveness, so that they might fall within it. But the truth is, you're still overweight, and need to exercise and eat properly.
No one will ever convince me that a flabby or extended tummy, cottege cheese butts, and thighs that rub together when a person walks is attractive or healthy.
And why do people get bent out of shape that we put the most beautiful people on the covers of magazines and in movies. I don't want to fork out my money to see something I can see everyday. I certainly don't want to fork our money to see something that I definitely don't want to see.
If you want to see average, don't buy a beauty magazine. Get in your car and drive to MacDonalds. That's average.
I have to laugh at those who speak of how our country is bombarded with photos and images of so much skinny and how awful it is and one even person said that is what's wrong with our society. Another person said it started with Twiggy in the sixties. If that's the case then the constant skinny images are not working very well since two thirds of our country is now overweight. Puullleeeease. I grew up reading Seventeen magazine and Vogue. I loved the models, I loved the clothes, and I couldn't wait for my new issue each month, especially the end of summer when the Fall fashions would come out. Remember, fashion is about style! I never developed an eating disorder, I never cut myself, I never felt like I couldn't measure up, and I never felt like a 'victim' of the images. In fact, I found the magazine's fabulous! No whining here from this average chic who just happens to love fashion and style. I here most of the defensive remarks coming from people who seem to have an ax to grind with the fashion industry for whatever personal reason. It's very silly to compare yourself in the first place to the models and images. I don't compare myself to Jennifer Anniston since that would be ridiculous but I can admire her beauty and grace. Quit being so competitive. Get a clue and get a therapist.
I'm confused, what is a REAL woman again?? Aren't the 5'10 128 lbs models that grace covers and magazines REAL women too?
To me it seems that this extremely liberal approach to "Real" women being a size 12 is a bit misplaced. I mean, yes, there are size 12 women out there, but if you're 5'5 and 175 lbs ... there is a problem because You're NOT healthy at that weight. So why celebrate Unhealthiness?
I think we SHOULD aspire to be physically fit, and a proper weight. If we're just going to get mad at beautiful women who are fit and skinny, does that really fix the problem of the so-called "Real" women being overweight? Having a "Soft" belly? Or even just being "happy" with an overweight body.
We need to use those images to motivate us to live a healthy, active, and proud lifestyle. Because if you're a size 12 and PROUD of it, there are more serious problems in your life than a picture in a magazine.
And, to add, the model is NOT fat. So to those saying this portrays an image that supports an unhealthy lifestyle, I say "bull". She looks healthy, but with a bellly. Women have bellies. She's not a poster child for unhealthy living.
I guess I am just cut from a different cloth. Yes, I read all the fashion and pop culture magazines growing up, but I never felt the need to "be" those people. I give my parents the credit...they were responsible for forming me, not pages of a magazine, or a music video.
If we showed more models like her, maybe those girls that actually look to mass media for their ideals will see that beauty comes in many forms.
Having your belly hang over is not pretty or healthy–and no one should be paid to be photographed in a magazine called 'Glamour' for it !
Go ahead and be lazy, just don't make me pay 3 bucks for a magazine and then have to look at it!
Exercise and better diet lead to happier, healthier life, people.
having belly fat is an unhealthy sign. People should stop focusing on body shape and start focusing on health.
I'm tired of hearing people talk about how happy they are being overweight, obese, etc. If they're healthy, more power too them, but if they are happy just because they don't care about their weight then they are sending a bad message.
Personally I find athletic women like Maria Sharapova and Hope Solo a lot more attractive than skinny pop stars or plus size models with belly flab.
Why don't we just stop referring to normal women as "plus"? They are not. They are NORMAL. Models and most celebrities are SCRAWNY. I don't even know why they try to be that thin. I do not find it attractive in the least. But eventually it became the gold standard, and the normal sized women became "chubby" and "plus".
I'd rather be 20 lbs overweight than 20 lbs underweight.
And I cannot figure out why designers want their clothes to be shown on 6' tall, 110 lbs models. Shouldn't their clothes fit a well proportioned woman so we can see how it will REALLY look?
And magazines, quit patting yourselves on the back when you "feature" a "plus" sized model. You are just pandering to regular women and meanwhile all the rest of the magazine is filled with the anorexic amazons. The magazines are the biggest problems. when they demand normal women only, then things will change.
In response to "Unreal"
I have been a stick-figure skinny girl. A year and a half ago, I was 19, 5'7", and 99 lbs. It was hands down the worst I have ever felt in my entire life. Yes, I was in fact anorexic and got a sick pleasure from sliding into size 0 jeans. I even became anemic. Now, I have a 10 month old son, a slightly softer midsection and a healthier weight of 115 lbs. I am the happiest I have been in years! No more jokes about my weight or my clavicles showing. My husband loves my body, and I have plenty of wonderful friends that tell me I am beautiful inside and out. So there, finally a former stick and still skinny girl speaks out about the unhappiness one can feel at being too thin. I am finally comfortable in my own skin and I say kudos to Lizzie if she feels that same comfort and confidence in hers.
Being too thin is an issue and so is being to heavy. Just because overweight is the norm doesn't mean it should be rewarded and flaunted! The woman in the picture is by no means overweight, but I do not agree with the idea that magazines should promote heavier models in order to make heavy people feel good about themselves. It is NOT okay to be overweight and unhealthy, and YES the two go hand in hand. I am 5' and 105 pounds, and cannot even buy my size in stores I used to frequent because they are uping the size scale–a zero that used to fit now falls off of me even though I have not lost weight! It is ridiculous that people are expected to embrace being heavy, do you not realize that it is a FAR bigger problem than anorexia is?
The question at hand is: "What do you think? Should more magazines show realistic images of women like Lizzi Miller?"
Magazines are in business to make money. If putting a size 12/14 model on the cover sells, keep doing it and make that money. Historically, it has not so we will continue to see what sells magazines – size 2 models. These magazines are for profit and will do whatever it takes to make sales. Money makes the world go round...
sorry, the tummy bothers me...the rest of her bod is fine.
I am a "Plus size" always have been – recently I had my bones and muscle weight evaluated. MY BONES and MUSCLE weigh 130 lbs. for me to be "perfect" BMI I am supposed to be 142...that would be less than 10% body fat – FAR below the healthy weight.(I could be 155-170 and still be in healthy zone, but "Mike" would say I was fat) Lizzi is 5'11" and 180 – I would bet her BMI is close to perfect. Don't be so judgemental. I am in my late 40s now, and though plus size, I am healthy, I have a good blood pressure and cholesterol level, and I swim for at least an hour EVERY day – I am in good shape, but no one would call me thin. Never have been, except when I was anorexic (I got to 134 in my 20s, which was less than 5% body fat!) and I still was a size 10 when all my friends were 4s...so it is NOT the size of your clothes or even your body – it is what you DO with your body. I also have hypothyroidism, so working out constantly and eating perfectlydoes not guarantee weight loss, but I bet I outlive a lot of those skinny minis!
America has several problems when it comes to weight:
1) Yes we ARE overweight as a country, but has anyone stopped to consider that it is as much poverty as it is being sedentary? Think about it– in the Depression era, poor people were thin, because any food was hard to come by. Today poor people are fat because HEALTHY food is hard to come by. I would love to buy fresh, organic vegetables, hormone-free dairy products, and free range chicken, but I can't afford it, and I have a GOOD job. Nowadays, the food that is cheap is horrible for you, and unfortunately, it is what most people can afford. And don't get me started on what happens when a family with school-aged kids doesn't have time to cook a semi-healthy meal because everyone is out working trying to make ends meet...
2) Yes, we DO place an abnormal emphasis on being thin in modern America. Thin does not necessarily equate to healthy. The model in the picture is gorgeous, and she does not have to be thin to be so. She would be a GODDESS in the days of Reubens or Caravaggio (again, because any extra fat meant you could afford to eat); in fact, *she* would probably too thin to model for either of them. Amazing how our definition of beauty has changed.
And for the record, I would change doctors if I were Dr. Mike's patient, given his belief that, even though my blood pressure, sugar, cholesterol, and BMI are normal, I am still not healthy because I am a larger person. There is a happy medium between being concerned for someone's health because of his/her weight, and just being a size-ist SOB...
And to answer your question, if you have a lot of belly fat, it's definitely not a good thing. If you want a number than go by these waist circumference criteria:
Women < 35 inches (88 cm)
Men < 40 inches (102 cm)
Women and men who go beyond these criteria have been shown in a number of studies to be at increased risk for the aforementioned health issues.
am i the only person who can tell that photo is completely doctored? glamour can't even find a fat model. they have to add fat rolls to pictures of skinny ones. zero progress.
It's unbelievable that people are still using BMI as a gauge for healthy weight. BMI was developed to study populations but not individuals. Waist-to-hip ratio or lean body mass are much more accurate in determining whether somebody is overweight/obese. It's pathetic that after all these years and people are still resorting to BMI as a measure of their individual health. Goes to show that the healthcare industry has done a poor job on educating the general public on how to evaluate their personal health.
What Glamour did will not change the industry. Designers want their clothes to look like the sketches they draw. 6 foot size 2/4 girls will always dominate.
It's well-known that modern society has done a number on body image issues among women, but the science on the health issues that are associated with being overweight/obese is also quite clear. I don't think encouraging people to look "healthier" is necessarily a better alternative either. The first thing that seems to be addressed when it comes to these magazines and images in society are eating disorders. What about much more serious health problems of cardiovascular disease, hypertension, diabetes, alzheimer's, cancer, and a constellation of other health disorders that come with that extra weight? Instead of cheering plus-size models for their courage, we should be cheering people who have made a commitment to healthier living through exercise and eating better.
True that size is the average but what does that say when 30 percent of Americans are overweight and 30 percent obese? Is the average really a good thing just because its average?
YAY!! it is about time a real woman is put in a magazine and proclaimed beautiful!! why exactly is average considered "plus size" that is just ridiculous and maddening. Go Glamour magazine let's hope this is just the beginning of a new era!
Wow. I learned one thing from reading all of these comments. The majority of folks who take the time to comment on these articles is incredibly ill informed, prejudiced, and well, just plain stupid.
Congratualtions folks! The stupidity of the populace of the U.S. has embarassed me again.
As a doctor, I am so very glad that my patients are not as stupid as all of you who are calling her unhealthy or fat just because her ribs do not protrude as they do on every other female image in today's media.
What is all the hype? Media is not going to change and start using fatty models
I am 32, 5'3", 106 pounds, and I hate it. I have been dieting and walking on the treadmill 2.3 miles a day for several months so I can look decent in a swimsuit, but it doesn't even matter. I now have an incredibly flat chest because that's the first place I lost weight. My tummy still has fat on it, so I am STILL out of proportion – just as much as I was when I was 115! The sad thing is, after reading all these comments, I obviously will be judged when I head out to the beach in my swimsuit. I may be very healthy and very slim, but some of you guys are harsh. Trust me – if I could choose, I would not have lost the fat from my breasts. It would have just come off of my backside. But this is real life, and I don't get to choose where my fat comes off. I'm telling you this: when I come back from Maui, I am going off this cursed diet and eating donuts every day. Dieting just makes me miserable.
I would like to remind everyone that there are hundreds of kinds of models and many types of markets for modeling. the 'models' people are referring to as 'stick-thin' are high fashion models. commerical and catalogue markets are very different in body type and height. and careful about saying models aren't "real" women, because they are ok. they are real women and just as flesh and blood of the rest of you. you can't just group them as the "other" because you feel bad about yourselves.
i also want to remind everyone that magazines wouldn't publish the 'tips to a flatter stomach' content if it didn't sell. it's US who are to blame. but we get mad because magazines know US and know what we will buy. if you feel like you are being exposed to images and messages that are harmful to your self-esteem and self-image, take back control of your life and turn off the tv. close the magazines. let go of those messages. remember that nothing has power over you without your permission. and if you're worried about your daughters, protect them from those messages too! besides, turning of the tv might help you bond with your children better and that type of bonding nurtures self-confidence and self-acceptance. it's easy to look at the world around us and blame it for all of our problems. but there are some things we do have control over.
men really don't expect us to be perfect or airbrushed just as they're hoping we don't expect them to have rippling abs and muscles.
Sorry if someone already mentioned this, because I didn't read too far down in the comments, but it appears to me as though Lizzi has had the "pair of pants" surgery, where they take out skin around your middle by doing an incision all the way around your body and "pulling" your lower body up?
Isn't that a scar we see there?
Usually that means that someone lost a lot of weight and had extra skin to remove. Is that part of the article?
It concerns me only in that so many people are using GB surgery as a substitute for diet and exercise these days. I don't know if Lizzi did that or not, but readers should be let in on the full story if the story is really about her body and how happy she is with it ... my two cents.
Let's be real: The fashion industry's obsession with anorexic thin models is not by chance. Look at who the world's most famous designers are in the past and today–gay men. The stick thin models they have show off their cloths don't have curves, no hips, no breasts, no suppleness, boney angled faces...in other words, they look like teenaged boys! It's so obvious and somehow this has seeped into mainstream culture. Think about it. Before the rise of the fashion industry in the 70s and 80s, most images of American women were of full-figured, voluptuous WOMEN (think Marilyn Monroe). Heterosexual men want a woman–a soft, curvy, feminine woman...not sticks imitating 13 year-old boys.
Why is it that women must be a size 2 to be attractive, but men do not need to be fit? It is because women are their own worst enemies. Most men that I know do not want a woman who is "bony". It's just the truth that men like curves, breast, a nice shapely butt. The fashion industry started this with their photos of women who are shaped like 12 year old boys. I think that a great many of the fashion designers would be happier if they could just use 12 year old boys to model women's clothing. It's a shame, really. Women are beautiful and they need to embrace their beauty and individuality. Also notice, a great many of the people on here who are downing this model–are women.
All the woman who complain about "models" and how the magazines exploit women and force women to be anorexic are fat. You never hear of a skinny nice looking woman complain about a model in a magazine. Stop eating at McDonalds 5 days a week and get some exercise and you too can not to be a fat slob. Take some responsibility for what you do, stop putting the blame on "society"
U.S. clothing sizes today are 6 sizes larger than they were in the 1940's/1950's. This is a fact. So the reference made to Lucille Ball asking for a size 12, is the equivalent to her asking for a size 6 by today's "standards". Lizzi would have been a size 18 during Lucille Ball's time. The model Lizzi is a beautiful woman, and she looks healthy. I believe that alot of the models are too skinny and this should be changed, perhaps to a model with a healthy BMI. My impression is that Lizzi would not fall within this category. What is my point? I don't think that because the general population is getting bigger and cannot maintain control with their diets, that we should relax our standards of what is a healthy body weight. If the average U.S. woman's body weight 10 years from now is 200 lbs should we deem that healthy? I don't think so...
Many people say they can't afford to go to the gym/workout, yet the average American can afford to eat at McDonalds/Burger King or some other fast food outlet 5 to 6 times a week? Start cooking your own meals with fresh ingredients, cut out the fried food, make some simple changes. Go for a walk with your kids and get them away from the t.v./video games. If you have joint/knee problems, there are still simple exercises you can do. Whenever I travel to the U.S. I am appalled at the amount of overweight people walking around. Then I see children in the same situation and it makes me want to cry. Wake up and face the facts, people! Take responsibility and make Change happen, at least do it for your children – who learn from your example!
I really dont like fat woman, even if they are models.
Fashion models are human clothes-hangers so whatever look the clothing designer wants to best show her/his work is the look that is achieved. If designers routinely made clothes that would look best on size 10-12 models instead of size 0-2, we wouldn't think this picture was remarkable.
oh, and a PS - my comment has nothing to do with health. Healthy people come in many different shapes, sizes, and colors. My comments are focused totally on body image and reality. Sure, we all want to be healthy and active. But even then we'll all still look like ourselves. We need to spend more time reading the book rather than looking at the pretty covers.
PPS - Someone mentioned slim models show off designer duds better. Well, sure that's true with the designers sculpting for a slim figure. Isn't it about time that we designed for a *real* figure, instead? :-)
Do some people not realize that the size 12's we know today weren't always that size? Do you think marilyn monroe wore a size 2? Do you consider her beautiful and comfortable in her skin? I do. 50 years ago they didnt MAKE size 2's like they are today, let alone 0's or 00's!!! People put WAY too much emphasis on the size of your jeans... I'm a size 6/8 and think I look better with a few extra pounds and jiggle! If you are healthy and happy and taking care of youself who cares? I applaud this model and would jump at the chance to be in her shoes!
Yes, the more "real-sized" women (and men) that are shown in media would help our society in multiple ways. Our daughters (and sons) wouldn't feel pressured to become a body type that isn't achievable; women (and men) wouldn't feel bombarded to be something they aren't - and probably never could be; we, as a society, might actually grow up and appreciate people for what is in their mind, their personality, their being rather than looking only at the outside packaging. We do a grave disservice to our entire society by promulgating these unreachable ideals. How fragile are our ethics that we allow Madison Avenue et. al to decide what we like or dislike. We're pretty lazy for not standing up and saying what we will - or won't - accept. . . ((sigh))
the furor over this photo is in part due to, it seems to me, two driving factors. One-Literally exposing a model's body as it is without covering imperfections is a huge celebratory relief and rallying cry for many women of all sizes. Two-it opens the floodgates about the body image vs. health issues American women(and men, but her it's the woman's body/image at stake).
There seems to be a reactionary cry of rage over anyone who has been hurting in the body image department for year/decades of media saturation and their own body struggles to the increasing reality that many many American women are unhealthily overweight(men too, and children especially now if you believe any studies out there and your eyeballs).
Americans need a Dr. Phil like approach to their eating habits and body image issues. THEY NEED TO JUST STOP IT! they need to change their life. that also means changing their eating habits, lifestyles, etc. it's not exactly a matter of going to the gym. and yet it is. it begins somewhere for every single person who changes their life for the better, or worse for that matter.
talking about sizes of women in terms of clothing also gets tricky, historically, and brand-wise. I am a meduim for most of american clothes for shirts and tops. In Europe, I am a large. it varies from shop to shop as well. Historically, women's clothes have changed in terms of sizing charts. Todays size 6 was yesterday's size 10.
America is in an identity crisis with and is still in denial about how fat everyone is. That's right. I said fat. Fat. Fat. Fat. It's becoming a word that angers people who are obese or even just 40-50 pounds overweight. I am nearly 40 and it took me six months, maybe seven to lose the weight I gained over the previous three or four when I slacked off and started eating more, working out less, etc. you know the drill, or lack thereof. I had to face the facts–I had tried to work off the excess weight to no avail. I didn't change my eating habits then. I was either going to have to admit that this was the best shape I'll ever be in again(which was also the worst shape I've even been) or do more than just go for a run. I had to give up some daily habits and change them out for others. Was it easy? not in the beginning. Was it cheap? I haven't been sick or in ill health since I started, I eat better food that I pay more for, but not much more, and I go to a cheap gym–$10 a month. I don't make much money and run my own business but I had to make some time for my own health. and commit to it.
that is my own body image struggle and everyone goes through their own-it's about being healthy healthy health not fat or skinny skinny skinny. But talking about people being fat and out of shape is nearly becoming a minority group box to check off next to Pacific Islander/Caucasian. Obesity is not just a disease, some and many people are getting there without any genetic predisposition at all, and our society is not helping them stop it, either. We need to give them the help they need to have healthy lifestyles and better food choices. Not extra-wide plane seats. Though I would enjoy them as well.
I had an idiot the other day yell across the street hey, your fat! Guess what, I'm a martial artist and as fit as they come – there's always someone out there who wants to try and hurt you, gain attention in a negative way, or control you. I just told him Thanks, jackass.. and by the way...I teach martial arts. He ran away as fast as his metro out of shape legs could carry him....ha,ha.
Why obsess? The fashion industry should not dictate your size or health...There are many women with health issues and eating disorders because of the obsession to be thin. Why? To be loved, to be accepted, to gain approval from others. Men are now falling into this misguided path as well, sick from trying to meet the fashion industries fantasy standards – again to gain love, approval and acceptance. Its the haters out there who want to make comments about you, your weight, you hair, you smile – they just want to control you, to gain power over others. I say just live, try to be happy and healthy, stay away from preservations, fast food and garbage frozen foods. If you can't pronounce it, if mother nature didn't create it, don't eat it. Whether you are a size 20 or size 0 is your own damn business and no one who would judge you on that is worth knowing. Try to be yourself, pursue your dreams, make the world a better place and ignore the idiots. When the idiots get out of hand, tell them off, be funny if you can...and remember you are a unique, beautiful being, Let your spirit shine, its all about the love, not about the hate.
The plus-sized model Glamour shows is beautiful, and I am glad that Glamour was open-minded enough to show her.
As far as a size 12/14 being "average" today, let's not forget the obesity epidemic in our country and the fact that a lot of sizes are "vanity" sized compared with what they used to be. We need to be careful about our image of beauty shifting to the unhealthy, whether it is unhealthy because the person is too thin, or the person is too curvy.
I agree that the models in most magazines can psych girls out, and it is important for girls to have healthy self-esteem and not base their entire worth on what they look like.
But–the message should be that people should strive to be healthy. And guess what? Thin is healthy–plus-sized and too thin are not.
Jessica Simpson is actually a fantastic example to have on the cover of Glamour, since she seems to be right in the middle where she should be–thin, but not too thin.
There are two sides to this issue...One being that in our world of "supersize" and "More-more-more excess" we are, in general, an overweight society! Yes, it's a hard pill to swallow, but it's true! Our foods are packed with so much unhealthy crap that it's unbelievable what we consume daily....We also seem to lack TIME to devote to a health workout routine (busy moms might be able to feel me on that)....Regardless, you have to be what you are...whatever that is...I'm an African American woman, early thirties, 5"8 1/2, and I weigh 170..and in my culture, my "bootyliciousness" is more accepted..but I'm constantly trying to lose weight!! Why? Because I want to be a skinny chick and shop at the "cute" stores....ahhh well...
to me she looks like a woman at a good weight, who has maybe had a kid or 2. your stomach skin frequently NEVER goes back to its previous tautness without a tummy tuck.
me–i range from a size 4 to an 8, depending on brand of clothing, so i'm thin enough ( i think), and after 2 pregnancies, my stomach does the same thing when i sit down. and don't even tell me i need to get off my butt and do some crunches–i'm a semi-pro bellydancer, so my midsection is in fine condition, thank you very much.
so lemme get off my soap box, and say i think lizzie looks fine, and more power to her for posing
Just searched and found a Vogue dress pattern from the 1966 – a size 12 back then had measurements of – bust 32, hips 34. Take that against, conservatively, Land's End's measurements and a size 12 there is 38.5 bust and 41.4 hips. The tape measure hasn't changed – an inch is still an inch. So, when one refers to Marilyn Monroe as a size 12/14 back in her time, really, she was more like a size 2 by today's vanity sizing. Please – confirm your facts with the numbers and not just sizing. I'm 5'6 and 155 pounds and am a size 6 at Bannan Republic, but a 12/14 in Diane Von Furstenberg. (Thank you Diane for keeping me real, though I weep when I have to go mid-double digits with your dresses).
I always get a kick out of how heated this subject can get. I have always had a petite frame... I am 5'4" and before I got pregnant (which I'm currently 7 mos along) I was 115 lbs with a BMI of 16 and ate what I wanted and never worked out. I could wear a size 2 comfortably and felt good about myself. On the flip side of that my little sister has not been able to fit into my clothes since she was 10 or 12, and not because she is overweight in the least.... she just has a very different build then I do. I had roommates that were sisters and they worked out every day and watched what they ate and still were a size 10/12. Not everyone fits into the same mold, bone structures differ from person to person.
Anyone find it ironic that they put an airbrushed and THINNER Jessica Simpson on the cover, and hide her on the inside??
And seriously, i don't know I'm asking... her stomach is hanging , does she have children..? it just seems to be disconnected and not proportionate to the rest of her body...
I would be the happiest woman in the world and feel fabulous wearing a size 10. I wouldn't be fat either. I'd be beautiful.
I think Lizzi looks wonderful and she is incredibly brave. Thank you, Lizzi. You go, girl!
I am a 5' 10" male, 170 pounds and almost 50. The reason I keep my body weight where it should be is that I couldn't imagine struggling to get out of a booth at a restaurant because I don't fit, needing a seat-belt extender on a plane, or struggling to stand from a kneeling position because I never turned down a double cheeseburger. The joy of being able to go to a park and run-down a Frisbee thrown by my 13-year old daughter is something I cherish. It has nothing to do with being in fashion, or "trying to fit in." We, people, are not designed to be fatties.
I'm 30 and until about 18 I was way too skinny due to an overactive thyriod. I had the same experiences growing up as everyone else, but I wanted to be curvy like all the models I grew up seeing on TV and in magazines. I agree that we need more real and relatable women in print, but no matter who is on the cover we will still doubt our own beauty. I struggled for years wanting boobs and hips and now that I have them I'm suppose to get rid of them? No way. I try to maintain the mind set of just being healthy. It's not always easy, I think beautiful pictures are just that, beautiful pictures. Skinny, round, old or young beauty is beauty.
I am plus sized. 14/16 to be exact. I am also very tall. I exercise atleast 5 days a week. Yes, I am a little overweight, but my BP, Triglycerides, Cholesterol, and etc. are absolutley perfect. My doctor says I'm in excellent shape. I am big boned and genetics are against me, but I am healthy. That crap below about "fat is fat" and "pretty is pretty" and blah blah blah...or the comment "Call it what you want but the plus size model is overweight and will suffer consequences to her health"...... Give me a Break Paleezzze!!!! I'm overweight and I'm in perfect health. I'm not saying this situation is true for all. There are people that are truly obese and not taking care of thier bodies or health at all. But people need to stop being to "Quick to point the finger, and slow to understand!"
RE to: Big girl at size 10?
Way to pick that one snippet of what I said and totally miss the point. Ok you win, some elite athletes have cellulite. Maybe all women have a little. But do these elite athletes also have rolls of flab and love handles? I didn't think so.
"J- you are right on target. Thin and young women on covers are baught by WOMEN and men because they are most likely to become pregnant when sexey time happens. PERIOD. No need to get defensive- I just do not care because animal level is rather boring when you know what it is. Then you graduate to being healthy and responsible. Like Discover, National geagraphic, and the onion"
HUH? What on earth are you ranting about? "Sexey time" What? This makes absolutely no sense (subject, spelling, word-use). Please try again in English. Thank you.
I think it is a absolutely nessecary to show more of these 'real life' pictures. It definitely corresponds better with the adds.
Amy, nobody should have to motivate you to be healthy. And if you continue to look to any magazine for that motivation instead of getting it done for yourself, you'll continue to have problems.
Accountability. Learn it.
....and according to sewing dress pattern size charts (standard after 1094) I am a size 14 – whereas in stores I am usually a size 10 – but in some stores I am easily a size 8!
I personally don't like articles like these. Why is there even a concept of "a real woman" that is based upon body shape or appearance at either end of the spectrum? To applaud one group for being "plus size" is to chastise another for being thin. To switch from honoring one to honoring another does nothing to relieve woman of the pressure of having to conform to the ideal of a "perfect body image." Women come in all shapes and sizes, and I, personally, take offense to the idea that I am not a "real woman" because I happen to be a "size 2". Shall I gain weight and eat unhealthy foods in order to satisfy YOUR idea of what a real woman is? Instead of this nonsense, we should be teaching woman to live healthy lives and accept themselves and each other for what they are – no matter on which end of the dress size scale they happen to fall.
Paula – People are defensive, yes. I don't know where you're from, but telling people to get their "panties out of a bunch" doesn't usually help. Please, please learn to spell and/or type before you berate people online?
...yes it it too bad that the models used for mainstream fashion are too thin. I am 46 yrs old am 5'11 and I am at a healthy 155lbs.
1) I work out and lift weights to increase my resting metabolism so I can eat normally. Too many women mess up their metabolism by not incorporating weights into their workouts. Dieting will make you fat in the long run.
2) Anyway...the models for mainstream fashion now are way too bony. I have called up chain clothing stores and told them to take me off of their mailing lists, etc. after I have seen skeletal models with thighs that were smaller then their knees. I do not buy any clothes from that store anymore and will continue to not buys from stores that use stick people. Stand up for your health and the future health of young women!
3) One more thing – yes Marilyn Monroe was a larger size – BUT BACK THEN THE SIZES WERE SMALLER. They were a standard from dress patterns. Look at the pattern sizes and compare them to catalog sizes – a huge difference. Now stores want to make you feel better by wearing a smaller size – as I went into one trendy national chain store and dropped two sizes just by walking in the store!
Rachell has it exactly right. The simple fact of the matter is that there are thin women in the world and they are "real". The fashion industry is actually changing the sizes DOWN to make women feel better about themselves. THAT'S DANGEROUS! A size 14 is now a 12. A 12 is now a 10 etc etc etc, that is not a healthy answer to women getting bigger, it adds to the problem! We wonder why diabetes and obesity are skyrocketing in the country.....
She is hardly a realistic looking woman, if she was not stunningly beautiful, no way would she have any kind of success. Besides, how much make up and airbrushing, photoshopping, went into those photos. Plenty!
Obviously from reading these posts most women are crying out to see more naturally beautiful women in the media. What we usually see right now are either plastic people with fake boobs and surgeries that suck up all their fat OR super stick thin prepubescent runway models. Then when you look out in the "real world" you see mostly fat people eating fast food while buying these magazines with stick thin plastic people on them. Its very bizarre. Where are the naturally healthy people in this country? The ones who eat well, get moderate exercise, and are not anorexic or obese? Anyway, I wish we'd see more healthy models. I don't care if this lady has a tummy-i do too when I sit like that and have had kids. At least she didn't feel the need to get it sucked up. But if thats all this is about (her tummy) then you're all missing the point.
We need more healthy, natural bodies in the media because obviously promoting super thin fake people is not making us any thinner-its just making us all neurotic and, from the looks of it out there, fat, unhappy, and forever on some backfiring diet.
this photo is just totally right on!! it shows a healthy, beautiful woman – that is a model!! super skinny is not healthy, neither is obese. i think the label 'plus size model' sucks, but i really don't want a picture of a naked obese woman in glamor either. why? because it is not glamorous!! beautiful and healthy comes in many shapes and sizes, that is what we all need to focus on.
I applaud Lizzi; she has nothing to be ashamed of. I am sucker for the way magazines portray women and I do want to look like they do. I believe a lot of ladies would like to look that way, and when we look in the mirror reality hits, I know it does me. I am not plus size only "size 4/6" but I've had 2 kids and my skin is far from tight if you know what I mean , I like seeing lizzi all out there and exposed. She is a real woman. It makes me feel less ashamed of my own body.
Even elite women athletes have cellulite. I see women in the gym lockeroom – tri-athltes, who run, swim, bike and do areobics 5 times a week with cellulite on their thighs or butts. You need to put down the National Enquirer and/or whatever airbrushed pictures you have been looking at and see some real women. Obviously, you never have seen a woman over the age of 22 naked: we pretty much all have some cellulite.
WOW- there are some very defensive people comenting.
J- you are right on target. Thin and young women on covers are baught by WOMEN and men because they are most likely to become pregnant when sexey time happens. PERIOD. No need to get defensive- I just do not care because animal level is rather boring when you know what it is. Then you graduate to being healthy and responsible. Like Discover, National geagraphic, and the onion.
Girls, get your panties out of a bunch and calm down! Guys do not care NEARLY as much as you do about your fat roll!
Americans hate to be responsible for themselves! We are entitled babies who want to be victims of, oh, everything! Getting a disease, or having poor genetics is not the same as doing drugs, food, or not caring for yourself in many ways. By the way- before you freak out- drug and alcohol abuse is NOT a disease is it a character flaw.
Back to the cute chubby model? She still needs to loose ten pounds.
I am writing in defense of normal-fit, regular sized women (not obese or medically overweight), as some people seem to think they are just lazy slobs. I am 42, 5' 10, 155 lbs. wear size 10. Am I plus sized Mike? Am I dangerously overweight? At risk for a heart attack? People really need to stop generalizing. I look thin and people perceive me as such.
That said: I have chronic arthritis and a connective-tissue disorder – can only swim for exercise, or else I am in excruciating pain. Also, being over 40, my metabolism is not what it used to be.
I LITERALLY HAVE TO STARVE MYSELF TO STAY AT THIS WEIGHT.
I eat 'whole foods' and NEVER eat junk-food or drink soda.
People ask me how I stay thin. My answer: starvation.
My point is the fact that I have to STARVE myself to be acceptable or attractive in society – in the face of the media, and the self-important skinnies who brag about how they exercise and diet and are a size 0 (Memphis Slim).
Don't you tell me to get off my butt & exercise. I do as much as I can withing the limits of my body. The poster who said Memphis Slim is UGLY is correct. Nothing is uglier than a gril who thinks she is better than the rest because of how perfect she is. Disgusting.
As for obese women, it really is about self-control. They only way to lose way and keep it off is to eat less and/or exercise. But don't you tell me that I am a plus size at 10!
I think its nice to not see a skin and bone model on the pages of a magazine. I think it took a lot of courage for her to do it because she had to know that everyone would either fall harshly on either side of what is a healthy image to show people. I think she looks great and she is happy with herself. I don't think she is a poster child for those who are overweight. I think she is the closest image we have seen in a long time that we can see something of ourselves in.
I have read the posts here and another site and it makes me very sad. It makes me sad to read how many people want us to raise our kids to believe that being overweight is ok. I don't want my daughter to grow up thinking she has to starve herself to be healthy size but I'm not going to let her grow up to think that being overweight is ok either. I think there are ways to tpositive ways to teach kids that being overweight isn't ok and they shouldn't settle for that. You teach them how to eat healthy, why being overweight is bad for them, and what a REAL portion should be. I think most importantly you teach them that its not ok for them to sit on their butts and not be active. You teach them how to enjoy getting off their butts and exercising every day. These lessons start when they are my kids age, toddlers. My kids go outside and play most of the day. They get very little tv, we walk places if the weather permits and its within a mile of the house. We park in the middle or end of the parking lots when we do drive. I don't let them over eat or snack all day either. If they want a snack its fruit and veggies most of the time.
I'm 4'11, 120lbs, 28yr old mom of 2 and and I wear a size 6. I could stand to lose a few lbs sure, I know that and I don't try to hide from that fact. I know how to lose the weight because my parents taught me how when I was younger. My parents and grandparents are not afraid to tell me when they think I'm packing the pounds on and need to lose a few. I love that about them because it shows they care about me. I think if we really cared about our family and friends we would tell them when we were concerned if they were too thin or gaining too much weight.
I guess I missed the part where obesity was being "celebrated". The point of putting this picture in the magazine was to reinforce the idea that not all women look like Heidi Klum. This model is not anywhere near obese. At worst, her biggest sins are a few extra pounds, being untoned [gasp] and, from the looks of it, probably having carried a child. It's a lot easier to motivate people to try to be healthy when the physical standards that are pushed in their faces from day to day don't seem like completely unattainable goals.
I love how this story and quote "It is hard growing up as a girl in this country and being bombarded with those images. It takes a toll on young women"...Like women are the only ones affected by being over weight....everyone has the same feelings about being rejected or made fun of equally man or woman so stop this sexest Bs how do you think men feel when they are overweight and see arnold schwarzenegger on a cover page just the same.That being said yes it is about time someone weighing more than 95 pounds models and the magazine has the balls to publish it.. thanks for listen
Yes, real women, want to see real women in magazines and advertisements....I'll never look like a runway model, nor would I want to. . I love me as the size 10/12 that I am. Very comfortable..I have peace of mind, now, knowing I don't have to be a size 2 or even a 6.
I would have to say that as more people become 'ample' it becomes a lot more accepted state.
I have several woman friends who get depressed that they don't look like the magazine covers. Plus they get frustrated that the weight doesn't come off super quick when they diet, so they give up and comfort themselves with food – icecream, chocolate, potato chips, etc. The very thing that got them unhappy with their body to begin with.
Maybe a benefit to showing 'real' woman would be the ability to accept yourself and to quit comforting yourself with bad food.
Just my opinion, but I think Lizzi looks beautiful, belly or no. And a lot of women do have a little belly when they sit down that way. I also don't think size necessarily determines health. Genetics, although not the only factor, certainly plays a part. Your overall health is determined by many things.
To Mike: I can't believe you are a physician. Personally, I think YOU are sending an extremely bad message. I think your "advice" and I use that term loosely, is based quite a bit on your personal opinion of how women should look.
All sizes are relative, as the fashion industry has practiced "vanity sizing" for years, and continues to do so. What is today's size 12 was our high school size 14, and our parent's 16 (or more). If you want another comparison, pick up a good old fashioned sewing pattern – those sizes haven't changed in decades (or they hadn't last time I checked). When you reference Marilyn Monroe's size 10 or Lucille Ball's size 12, that's the size to look at.
It's a step in the right direction. The only world in which this woman is "plus size" is the fashion world – to the me she looks like a healthy, beautiful woman – not dangerously underweight or overweight – and best of all, comfortable in her own skin. I think it's just silly that we think the bony physiques of starlets who practically starve themselves to look like that or are airbrushed to look like that is the ideal against which women compare themselves. With so many women of color and different ethnicities I think the standards of beauty need to be scratched and started again.
I love how all the fatties are commenting on how they are happy that a "REAL" woman is finally in a magazine. I guess those of us who are thin (size 0-6) = NOT REAL WOMEN. Thanks for the clarification morons.
The problem is getting caught up in a numerical figure. Size 12/14 is not necessarily too big. In fact, when I finish losing the weight I need to, I will be a sz. 10 and an occasional 12. It's the frame that is the determing factor.
America is getting fat and we shouldn't embrace that! Diabetes and obesity are skyrocketing! 14 should NOT be the "new average"
There are "Real Women" who look like the women on magazines covers. I dated a beautiful women who was a model and was naturally skinny. NO eating issues, just good genes. She was constantly berated and embarrassed by people who would accost her and suggest she "must starve herself and work out constantly" She would get embarrassed and it constantly made outings awkward for both of us. It is not the duty of an attractive women to have to go around propping up the egos of other women!
Weight is taking over cancer as the new health problem in America. It is not okay to be fat! Your quality of life, and lenght of life are greatly diminished due to obesity and diabetes. Get healthy America! Put the fork down!
I think magazines should show more realistic women because we can relate to them better. When models and celebrities do a photoshoot all their pictures end up bein photoshopped or fixed to be perfect, how is that realistic? indeed our country is very obese in general but being a size 0 is not healthy i dont care who you are, i workout 3 or 4 days a week and i am a size 12, bein healthy and being over a size 0 is okay with me, im happy with my body and so is my husband.
Lizzie needs to do some situps
GROSS. I'm sick of the fat people trying to make us think it is ok and normal for them to be fat. It isn't.
No, the magazine model is not obese, but she's only 20 and has a belly like someone who just gave birth. Not normal. Fat.
Growing up in the 70's there was not a single obese person in my school or neighborhood. I'll send you my elementary class photos for every year if you don't believe me. The few chunky kids were obvious – and they were big eaters.
Get over the Marilyn Monroe concept. The clothing sizes back then were differerent. Look at any old movie, any old magazine, any of your old school class photos. THERE AREN'T HARDLY ANY FAT PEOPLE!! And being a certain clothing size does not mean you are anorexic or too thin, any more than it means you are too fat. Tall people wear bigger sizes obviously. FAT PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE FAT, AND SO DO WE – THE CLOTHING SIZE IS NOT THE POINT.
It used to be shameful to waste. It used to be shameful to be a glutton. It used to be shameful to be grossly fat. No other country looks like us. We have terrible health issues. A class photo today of an elementary school is a joke. Bunch o fatties. Shame on their parents for letting a child turn out like that.
IT AIN'T GENETICS WHEN THE WHOLE NATION IS FATTIES. STOP STUFFING YOUR MOUTH WITH DIET CRAP. STOP USING FAKE SWEETNERS. GO OUTSIDE. COOK AT HOME. MAKE YOUR KIDS SCHOOL HAVE PE CLASS EVERYDAY. BEING FAT IS NOT NORMAL.
And stop trying to convince the healthy, non-fat citizens that you are healthy or normal. You're not. You're fat – and its not healthy, its totally gross, and you know it.
oh and PS. it seems as though most normal women can't find the sizes that are spoken of in this article. Perhaps we should go shopping together because all I can find are sizes that will fit you (4-14) and all you can find are sizes that will fit me (0-4).
In addition to the concept of exercise and eating healthy, i walk everywhere and eat more than the daily amount of fruits and veggies, meats rarely play into my diet and I meditate. How am I unhealthy for being naturally skinny? I would gladly take your rolls in exchange just to have people stop telling me to eat more. It's a double-edged sword, this, being a woman thing. If i'm skinny, you tell me I'm too skinny, if I'm even a little bit bigger, you tell me I'm fat.
Can't we call a spade a spade and just say that there are spades of all shapes and sizes?
Please put your claws back in people, if losing weight, and keeping it off were only as simple as exercising and eating correctly. Everyone knows what to eat to be healthy, that does not account for the reasons people over eat. Address that, it's emotional, mental, physical, and monetary. It's cheaper and easier to eat unhealthy, people eat to soothe anxiety, it releases endorphins and sets up a cycle to continue. When I was a child my mother was at home cooking, she did not work, so the food was normal quantities and the basics. However she made me feel fat, I wasn't. She would back a chocolate cake and tell me I had to learn to leave it alone. I had a distorted body image all my life. So it's not so simple.
Lizzie's stomach is flabby, not hard fat that causes heart disease – and if you are a physician you know the ratio of her hips to stomach would be an indicator of such and we do not have her statistics at all.
Education is needed, start with cleaning up the school lunch programs and getting PE back in the mix. Make healthy food lower in cost – anyone compare a box of mac n cheese to fresh broccoli lately?
Obesity is a major problem – start with the school education.
And to the idiot posting about diabetics – take a chill pill. It is more compicated than you realize and it is 2 diseases. Type I is an autoimmune disease and not anything the person did – so paying for insulin is the only thing that keeps them alive – I have 2 (now adult )children with type I and they struggle daily with this disease.
Well said Mike...I was glad to finally hear a physician's opinion on the subject.
My opinion of the issue is this: Americans are obsessed with this whole weight/media thing because we are pretty much brain washed(whether we are aware of it or not) BY the media from a very young age to look TO the media (more specifically pictures of other people) as a way track how "normal" we are. (thats how they capture our attention...and thus, ratings...they tap into our insecurity)
Lets face it, humans have this natural need/desire to be accepted by their peers...and we have it ingrained in our minds that you have to be normal, to be accepted. Even as kids, we learned this as the boy "with an eye patch" or girl "that smells funny" got made fun of. its really sad and completely unfair, but if you walk into any elementary school in the country, this is what you will see.
so now that we are adults, we're a little smarter...we are now refusing to settle for this idea of what healthy, beautiful, and normal is. That is a step in the right direction. But what frustrates me is this – we are STILL subconciously looking to the media to make sure that we are normal/acceptable. shoot, thats why we are all here on this blog chewing this picture to bits...myself included! Its funny that most people have a view on abortion that they just wont budge on, but when it comes to the media and how "normal" is portrayed, our opinions get wishy washy. why dont we just stop paying attention to the fake world that celebrities/media/t.v. has created and START actually taking care of ourselves? furthermore, i know it is cliche, but women REALLY do come in all shapes and sizes...and there is no way that we will EVER find just the "right size"....because what is healthy for one lady, may not be healthy for another. Hmmm....thats why we have "boob" men, "leg" men, and "butt" men...seems to me that men instinctively are aware that there is quite the variety out there...and will always choose based on their instincts.
maybe im just rambling...but i'll leave with one point...everyone just live their lives....stop trying to be perfect....move your body regularly...and more importantly, eat healthy. -by the way, eating healthy doesnt mean you have to skimp on calories...i am literally eating ALL DAY long...every two hours...and this is how i maintain a healthy, active size (for me) at 5' 5" ...and between a 6 and an 8.
I resent that being a size 12 is considered "plus!" I puzzle over the fact that a size 2 in 1968 is today's size 12. Why do women's clothing manufacturers have no size standards to which they adhere and that a size 10 in Levis is a size 14 in Wranglers. If a male wears a 32 waist/34 long then that is what he gets, no mystery. It takes a lot of time for females to select clothing because every item must be tried on before purchasing to avoid a return. Most women in America who wear sizes 10-14 are indeed average, not "plus." Under this logic, those modeling sizes 0-8 should be called "deficient". I look at fashion magazines not to ogle hot women, but to find current and wearable style. A celebrity 's or model's fluffed up cleavage or hair staring me in the face does nothing tfor me when it comes to selection of a fashion magazine.
I'm really glad that this shift is happening in fashion culture. The image of the woman certainly needs to be changed but I find myself caught on the lip of it all. I'm more of a kate moss style body, thin and lacking curves and this is how I am naturally. I have a fast metabolism and have had that held against me my whole life while also having my non-existent breasts joked on. While the models prior may have been anorexic or bulimic, they were the same size as I am. The only clothes I can fit into are stock sizes and normal stores don't carry very many 0's or 1's. I can't even believe this is my problem. Why are all jeans made for women with hips? why are all tops and dresses made with darts that make my lack of breasts painfully obvious? I love that the industry may move towards a more natural direction but natural for me is flat as a board and thin as a plate glass window and i love my body despite the norm. What is natural is actually really diverse. If it weren't for the sudden upshot of breast implants/cosmetic surgery as a trend, there would be more women that had bodies like mine. Please don't tell me i need implants to fit into normal clothing because i can't afford to have everything tailored.
I am appalled that so many readers believe that because the average woman in America is a size 12/14 it is an indication of average good health. I don’t think any of us would argue that because women in some third world countries on average weigh in at under 100 pounds that it is a signal of normalcy or health, but rather we would agree that it is likely the product of poor nutrition.
Clearly, most of the women who are size 12/14 are not living as healthy a lifestyle as a woman of the same age and height who wears a 6/8. I don’t mean to suggest that all women should aim to cram their bodies into a 0/2, or that every woman who wears a 12/14 is necessarily unhealthy, but it seems there is little room for mistaking the medical evidence about the health implications of carrying even an extra 10 pounds around for 20 years or more.
And I don’t think we can afford to overlook the reality that many clothing manufacturers are “sizing down” in order to make women “feel better” about themselves, so many of the women who are now wearing a size 12/14 are probably bigger than they want to admit. I know I wear a smaller size today than I did 10 years ago and yet I've gained 10 pounds.
On the other hand, health is about a lifestyle and not merely a clothing size. I have a friend who is probably a 2/4; very thin, very attractive. Yet, she smokes a pack of cigarettes a day. I’d be much happier to see her gain 15 pounds and stop the smoking. I also have what I consider a “fat” skinny friend. She is small in weight and probably wears a 4/6, but she is flabby and never exercises and I doubt a health screening would reveal a healthy woman—I’ve never seen her willingly eat a fruit or vegetable: strictly burgers and fries, if you please.
If we are going to take beauty magazines and advertisers to task, perhaps it shouldn’t be about the size of their models, but over the obsessive retouching they do that makes them look anything but real. I saw some “real” photos not too long ago of models and actresses known for their beauty and their figures, and it was refreshing to see that in these candid moments at the beach, when they weren’t posing for advertisers or magazine covers, they often had a bit of cellulite on their thighs, their tummies had a bit of softness, they were wrinkled and flawed in all the ways that all the people in my ordinary life are—and they were still beautiful. I don’t know if any of you remember the article Jamie Lee Curtis did years ago that showed her ‘real’ self and her ‘photographic’ self and the steps it took to make that transformation. It was enlightening and amazing and she took a great deal of grief for doing it. It was at least as ‘brave’ as Miller’s photographs.
THAT'S a plus size model?? She looks closer to a size 8 – and I have been both those sizes (and more). To call that plus size is absolutely ridiculous.
Sorry, but Glamour, the modeling world, ad agencies, etc., etc. – you all still have got it WRONG.
The US puts too much emphasis on commericalism and size as the standard mark on what is a healthy self-image and beautiful and builds women's psyches around this concept. I didn't get a good lesson on this until I moved away from the US.
When I lived abroad I went shopping with a friend from Eastern Europe and I asked her what size she was to try and find her a pair of jeans. She said she didn't know. In her country you just tried clothes on until something fit and didn't worry about the size because everything is cut differently depending on the store. Then later that day I made a comment about needing to lose weight and my European friends looked at me like I had two heads. They were appalled that I would think this about myself because I was already considered thin enough. I was taken aback by the comments and responses from that day as I have grown up obsessing about the size of clothing I wore and my weight. In Europe I was considered beautiful at a size 10, in the US I am made to feel ugly. It was a good lesson that beauty is what is programmed by society.
Wow. The comments on this blog are hilarious. Especially Dr. Mike. Who cares if she is fat? Or if she isn’t fat? I couldn’t care less. If she doesn’t die of Heart Disease, she’ll die of something else. And what ever it is, I’m sure somebody will have to pay a fortune not curing her. (My God, look at Christopher Reeve’s wife – who died of lung cancer – she never smoked or lived in continued close proximity with a smoker – there are NO guarantees people). Why don’t we accept our mortality and work on living as good people? Having a disease or addiction (and obesity and anorexia both are diseases and addictions) should be treated with compassion. People are of value no matter what their medical charts look like. Maybe when Dr. Mike gets sick, oh wait, he won’t… haha!
I am waiting for a backlash on this one, but has anyone thought of doing a few sit-ups? Really, women complain about their looks and physical image yet won't get off the couch to do a light work-out or think twice about eating the McDonalds burger.
Yes, the average woman in America is a size 14. The other fact is that the United States is the most Obese country. I don't think that girls by any means should be a size 0 or 2 or that we should promote that. But stop promoting the 'average' image when our 'average' image is actually quite unheathly.
This girl is beautiful and it takes a strong person to do this, but its kind of ironic with the magazine its in.
Mike: You may be a doctor, but you are engaging in gross generalizations that are very misleading. I am only 5 feet three inches tall, female, and 40 years old. I weigh 145 pounds and wear a size 10. I recognize that I am overweight. Not obese; but overweight. And when I sit like that model is sitting, that is what my belly looks like, especially since that is where I carry most of my weight. Having said all of that, I am in extremely good health. I exercise at least 4 times a week (a pretty hard-core workout that involves strength training and cardio) and eat moderately healthy (I am being honest here; I am not the healthiest eater). I have over-all cholesterol under 200 and my hdl to ldl ratio is excellent. My blood sugars are low, as are my triglyceride levels. My bp is great and my physician always remarks that I have a really good, strong pulse and resting heart-rate. I am not saying I am thin, but I am healthy. Clearly your inaccurate generalizations do not apply to me, or others like me. Your bedside manner could use some work.
I would like to see more photos of "average" women. I'd also like to see more articles on accepting ourselves as we are. And it should still be okay to have photos of thinner and heavier women as well.
The thing that has always puzzled me is why it has to be one way or the other. Average means that there are thin girls, AVERAGE girls and big girls. Why can't they put ALL of us in the darned magazines?
As for the "ways to flatten your belly" article, that's fine. I'm sure that there are women who would like to learn that. But, hey, if you don't WANT to worry about your belly not being a 6-pack (I sure don't), then why is that a bad thing? I mean, wasn't the whole women's liberation movement supposed to free us each to be whatever we wanted to be?
So, yes, bring on the variety of women in ALL our glory!!
This girl is in NO way obese and for people to say, "why are we celebrating fatness?" is ridiculous. We are celebrating seeing someone NORMAL!!!!
For those that are saying that 12/14 is way too fat, understand this girl must be fairly tall, because she looks great. Realize that a 12/14 on a tall person is very different than on a very short person.
And let's not forget one very obvious thing... this girl is SITTING DOWN!!!! Rolls happen when sitting, no matter who you are!
Mike: you know you want to do her. And I bet your wife is huge.
Enough with this REAL women BS. We are all REAL, no matter what our size.
While 14 might be the new average, our increase in clothing sizes should hardly be celebrated dear author.
A recent article indicated that in fact, many retailers have gone & effectively 'renamed' the size you wear so that you seem smaller when in fact, they're adjusting to the nat'l average which has gotten bigger. That's not acceptable either is it?
While I completely agree that a skin & bones model is not a positive image, neither is touting this growing increase in our weight as a sign of being "real." Why is a woman who is naturally a size 4 not also a "real" woman? Why does being curvacious equate "real" and at one point do we call it what it is and say 'no'...it's unacceptable to celebrate the obesity of America and call it beautiful & the new average. It's time to be healthy.
I was going to respond, but Sasha said it all. An extra five to ten pounds does NOT mean someone is killing themselves. I wish we could all have flat stomachs, but the bottom line is that it isn't that easy for some. I don't need some fake doctor telling me that I am five pounds from coronary artery disease, especially when I know I eat well and take care of myself. If only I could find the time to fit 1000 crunches into my busy schedule! Maybe then, complete strangers who know absolutely nothing about my medical history can visually assess me and tell me I am healthy!
Marilyn Monroe was a size 14 in her day and time. When converted to our mondern sizes of today it would be a size 4.
This is so silly. I am an average athlete, but I don't go to a football game to watch average athletes, I want to see the "best" athletes. I don't to a concert to hear average musicians, I go to hear the "best" musicians. Why then, would I want to open a glamour magazine and see an "average" women or an average man? If I want to look at any average women, I can go to my company's cafeteria. If I want to see an average man, I can look in the mirror.
There is nothing wrong with publications putting the "best" looking women they can find in their magazine. I don't pay to see "average," I pay to see the "best."
While I applaude the editors and photographer for stepping out of the skinny box, I do feel that this particular pose perhaps wasn't as well thought out. As anyone who has a little pudge around the middle knows, doubling over on yourself only enhances it. Perhaps it was done on purpose to draw attention to their new direction, I don't know. I do know this, I would've love to have seen a photo splashed around that focused less on the pudge and more on the person.
Lizzi Miller is 5'11" tall and weighs 180 lbs. Her BMI is 25.1, which is in the "Healthy" range. At that height, I would HOPE she wears a 12/14, because she'd look ridiculous in a 6. I definitely agree that excess belly fat is a marker for cardiac disease, but I honestly don't think Lizzi has that much belly fat – the way she's sitting in the photo, there's going to be some amount of skin that folds over, but if you picture her standing up, the little pooch goes away. Keep in mind also that the camera will add a good 10 lbs to anyone – hence the reason most models are so skeletal. Also, Marilyn Monroe was 5'4" tall and weighed 145 lbs (BMI 24.9, also Healthy), and wore a size 12 (today's size 6). The bottom line is that there's no one weight, height, or size that dictates what's healthy and what's not – it'll vary according to each person, and as long as each individual is doing what's healthy, then everybody else should leave them alone.
Hmm, talk about close to home, my husband at 58, 5'9", 190lbs, has been a diabetic since he was 30, is fit, healthy, had a heart attack 4 years ago, and still takes meds that we pay for. Funny how a perfectly healthy looking person can still be a diabetic because his kidney stopped helping him, gee whiz, guess they don't all have to be fat to be a burden on society!
Me? What about me, you ask? I'm 5'6", 340lbs, down from 390lbs last year, have no health issues, and never have, great blood pressure, low cholesterol, and take no meds other than an antidepressant cuz I've been made to feel like I should commit suicide for how I look, and frequently in my teen years wished I could be dead, typical junior high/high school torturing for being different. Sure, I'd love to be fit, healthy and slim, but darn, it costs a helluva lot more to eat healthy and we're far from rich. Gosh, maybe she eats fatty foods then? Nope, we usually eat grilled chicken breast, trout, no potatoes or pasta for us, just can't afford alot of veggies so fill in the blanks with lettuce or spinach. Eat donuts, fast food and greasy fried chicken to keep my fat butt satisified? Nope, like I said, we're poor, it costs alot for convenience food and dine on unhealthy junk, we eat out maybe once a month,don't drink sodas or anything other than water really.
So, tell me, how does a girl who's been fat since the day she was born, saw her first nutritionist/dietician at 8, cuz they couldn't figure out why she was so fat when she ran outside all the time, playing, swimming, etc, become acceptable? I dance, 4 times a week, yes, out in public, that's me bubbette the whale jiggling her junk on the dance floor, but heck, it's free, and I can do 3-4 hours of high speed dancing rather easily, I walk everywhere I can, we live in a rural area, so driving is necessary to get to work and larger towns with stores, oh, and we don't really have bike lanes.
Ah, well, guess I don't have a point, that was just my story.
Hey there Mike ...
You are making some serious generalizations that you should check out before you speak. A woman that is 5'10 or 11 usually has a frame that demands a 10 or 12 dress (unless it is upscale designer label) if she has a healthy BMI. And there is a big difference between having a small belly roll such as the model exhibits and being obese.
Also, as I mentioned above, depending on your pocketbook, that "designer" size 6 or 8 can be the same as a size 10 or 12 off the rack. I know because I wear both and have am on the low side for my BMI range of normal. It is largely who's name that is on the label: more pricey = smaller size on the label. And there are lots of other factors involved in the coronary artery disease causes that you just flippantly wrote off.
I spent the early part of my life underweight for real life and perfect model weight. I was also sick all the time. Since I have a more normal weight I am not constantly sneezing or catching every bug that is going around. So don't make it sound so black and white. The point is that the aesthetic of the skinny woman is not realistic for the majority of females. We aren't all "obese" if we aren't underweight and model slim.
I don't think most Playboy models would fit the traditional fashion model dimensions. I don't think that makes them obese; do you? They are women with curves, something designer fashion doesn't seem to want to recognize as real.
You can’t blame society, fashion, or Hollywood for your body being considered unattractive. What the MAJORITY of people find attractive is based on biology. As much as we hate to admit it, we are still animals who are sexually attracted to traits of health and fertility so that our offspring will have the most genetic advantage. Rolls, flab, cellulite, etc. are not traits of health and are therefore considered unattractive. As are the opposite extremes of being too thin. This is not because society and the media tell us this, but because our genetic programs do. Using examples like Marilyn Monroe do not apply. Yes they were much larger than today’s twig models, but they didn’t have rolls of fat.
I think you have a point, but it's not one that would be made or received well in this forum. At 5'10", 155 lbs,and size 10, and as a volleyball player and a person who's watched obesity run rampant in her own family, I understand your argument. But the point here is to applaud those women who ARE healthy, and yet still aren't accepting themselves because they aren't a size 0.
We've all heard more than a few reports on both childhood and adult obesity, and it's effects on society, healthcare, and our future, but there has to be a healthy medium reached. There needs to be a message to women that it's not about weight, it's about health. I could never be a size 2, but I'm healthy and there's not a doctor in the world who would dispute that. And yet still I get looks because I don't fit into some clothes. It's a sad reality, but a reality nonetheless. If we are ever able to find that medium, I'd bet just about anything that the wafe image would disappear along with alot of our health care issues.
Why is Jessica Simpson on the cover & the plus size model hidden on the inside?
She doesn't even LOOK like a plus size model and I wear a much smaller size.
I want to live in Memphis Slim's world of people only paying for health care that they might use. I don't want to pay for any type of cancer treatments or research, as I don't have it. (I will pay if i get it though.) Nothing to do with babies as I never want or need one. Zero bucks for nothing that I could get. It sounds like a wonderful and realistic world. Of course, he/she is an idiot, so maybe it would be all that rosey in Slim's world.
Slim is an internet Andrew Dice Clay wannbe. These are people who are friendless and unnoticed in the real world. Thye believe that saying shocking things will make them funny and they can at least have that. People need to understand why people need to post things like that and remember to pity them, not debate them.
I just want to say that I am so happy to finally see a REAL woman on the cover of a magazine! I have been having a lot of issues lately with my younger sisters. At ages 8 and 11, they already think that they are fat! The mass media projecting images of overly thin women do not help, but there is also the tween fashion industry to consider. I took them to Old Navy to shop for school clothes last week, and they couldn't find any jeans that were short enough and also wide enough to fit them. I saw tears of frustration and mutters of "I'm so fat" from my eight year old sister all day in the dressing room.
The point is, there is no "standard" of what is beautiful. There are so many different body styles and so many women that physically can never be a size 0, but they are still beautiful. I have struggled with my weight since I was in middle school when cliques and the opinions of others ruled my world. I wrestle with my own body image even more now that I have a 10 month old son. Here's the kicker: I am 5'7", 115 lbs, and a size 2. I should be happy with my body. But every time I flip through a fashion magazine, all of the girls are a perfect size 0 and airbrushed with no flaws whatsoever. It's unrealistic. It does not represent the majority of women, but the tiny (literally) minority.
If I saw more real women of ALL shapes and sizes, I feel that I would be more comfortable in my own skin. I wouldn't feel pressured to have a flatter tummy or be embarrassed at cellulite. My sisters would have better role models to look up to. Maybe then, this vicious cycle in pursuit of perfection and beauty would begin to break.
All you have to do is travel a bit to realize how fat we are in North America. We do have extremes as we have some of the fittest people in the world here but on the average we are the biggest and fattest. If it makes some people feel better to have a "plus" size model on the cover of a magazine great. A better solution would be to take charge of your destiny and eat healthy and exercise. No excuses!
It's Jessica Simpson on the cover of that magazine, not Lizzi Miller. And for all of you saying that size 12/14 cannot be healthy, first off you don't know how much she weighs and you don't know how tall she is. I think she looks like the average American woman. And after all the 'how I followed a ridiculously restrictive diet of which wagon I will eventually fall off of and gain all the weight back to become a size 2' articles...it's a nice thing to see.
Mike – I'm surprised that, as a physician, you would suggest BMI is a "good measuring stick." BMI was designed in 1832 for purposes having nothing to do with obesity. It's use as a tool for determining if a person is underweight/normal/obese is under direct criticism from many physicians and has been for many years due to it's complete lack of distinction between fat and muscle.
Additionally, check out the recent article in the journal "Obesity" in which researchers have determined that being slightly overweight is actually associated with living LONGER.
oh and PS while thinking about clothing size – when you go to the store and you are looking for jeans or dresses... the most common size i see is 0-2...why??? because the average woman does not fit in these sizes!!! Try finding a 7/8 or 9/10... it's near impossible!
I saw this picture when I bought Glamour and I was turned off by that – I have that belly too and I am a size 6, but I know it's fat and I have it b/c I choose to be lazy and not work at it. If someone tried to tell me it's normal, no big deal, I would be correcting them. I know that I could deal with it if I put in the effort. Just because the 'average' size is a 12/14 it is not healthy – it just shows a movement in the entire population to being overweight. I worry much more about my daughter being told ' it's ok to be fat, celebrate it' which is just as dangerous to her health as being too skinny. There is 'big boned and healthy' but not 'fat and healthy'. And that roll on this model's tum is fat. Every argument I see on this is between ' size 2 and size 14!' Sure size 2 is unrealistic for most body types, but what about 6,8,10? Most people would fall into there if they were healthy (BMI wise). This is what should be shown in magazines.
It's about time the world sees what a "real" woman looks like!
I love how this went from body image to who is paying for what concerning healthcare. A few points for you guys:
– BMI? It doesn't work as a marker for ANYTHING. BMI does not take into account muscle mass or fat content, which are good indicators of how healthy/unhealthy you are. Note that not all fat is measurable, such as that on your liver, which is greatly correlated with disease, and can occur in skinny or heavy people.
– So if I'm not an obese diabetic, does that mean I don't have to pay for my own insulin? Watch where you people throw the diabetic comments when you know nothing of the disease or you'll face a wall-of-text like you've never seen before. Who knows, it might teach you something. And trust me, most of you making "diabetic" comments know NOTHING of the disease. Educate yourselves, then talk.
– Kudos to anyone that can wear a size 0. I personally find it impossible and would probably die by the time I hit size 4. Dress size is not indicative of health. EVER.
– UNDERWEIGHT IS NOT HEALTHIER. Slightly overweight, however, is now being proven scientifically to be much healthier and protect against heart disease, infection and complications from surgery. I recommend Pubmed. If you really want to pretend you know science, at least read up on the subject first.
– Do most people have 5-10 lbs they might be better off loosing? Sure, I'll give you that. Does anyone have ANY right or any sort of moral standing to tell other people what to do? No. You don't. And you never will.
So lay off people. No one has the right answer for everyone and what works for you may not work for others. Besides, most models make me want to shove a good meal in their faces. They always look like their starving. I think showing real sized models, as well as some of the other campaigns with real people (Dove comes to mind) is a very good way to prevent self image problems in children.
Pardon my wearing my parental hat here. I'm the mother of a 6'3" 19 year old male who has spent the better part of 2 years in eating disorder therapies because he was striving for that perfect tall, lean, muscular male physique. He was never fat, by any means but all it took were a few "geez, you're getting sort of fat" comments in during puberty in middle school to set his spiral in motion.Even at his lowest weight of 139 lb. there never seemed to be a point where he thought his body was good enough or thin enough. Fortunately, we found help for him and he's well on his way to recovery and a more healthy, moderate lifestyle.
People need to remember that normal and healthy means different things for different people, their body types and their metabolisms.
It shouldn't matter what size you are as long as you are healthy!. As a kid growing up I have always been a skinny twig. Now I am 5'7 and weigh around 133. I have a normal BMI (and always have) . I fit in a 7/8. People look at me and say omg you are so skinny you must be a size 5 or less. I would burst a button if I tried to put on my size 5 jeans!!! Clothing size shouldn't matter as long as you are healthy. And its sad becuase I am told all of the time that I could be a model. No where could I ever be a model because I do not fit into the Size 0 standards. If my body turned into a size 0 or a 2 I would be hospitalized. Companies need to start realizing that the people buying these clothes are not 0's and 2's. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say that I do not want to look at unhealty, overweight models but i do not want to look at stick thin girls either. I really do think it is time that the industry changes and started "model" its models after real people.
I liked this issue because it offered both sides of the spectrum. While the author of this may think it weird to have a larger model and then promote flat belly secrets, the idea is that if you want to get in shape, they're offering advice, but you should love your body regardless. My only gripe is the idea of calling her real. Saying a 12 or a 14 sized woman is real is calling the people larger and smaller than that unreal, which isn't fair. It's merely a choice of words, but it can communicate the wrong message.
And, as far as tiny models in their fashion spreads, the spreads are supposed to be artistic in nature, and some of the pieces they choose I couldn't even pull off as a size 6, but that's not the point. It's unfortunate that people are comparing themselves to these models, and I think they are getting away from what they should really be paying attention to with those pictures. You're supposed to be inspired by the clothes and then seek similar colors, patterns, and textures to recreate in your own style, not look at the model and think "they want me to be this thin." If you want to look a boobs and butts pick up a men's magazine.
I'm not saying some of the standards are okay, clearly some changes need to be embraced. I just think people need to focus on what's really being important, their health.
The concept is fabulous..... HOWEVER, it's a bit hypoctrical in that the cover is air brushed. Look at the width of her leg in the "real photo" and look at the width of her leg in the cover photo.
All about magazine sales and NOT about promoting normal sizes and acceptable sizes for women today.
Oh and Heather before you ride out of town on your high horse please look up the number one killer of women. I don't need to..... its coronary artery disease which is caused by obesity and diabetes among other things. If you think you are doing women a service by arguing that size 12-14 with belly fat is healthy you are DEAD wrong, literally.
Why are we all suddenly okay with being overweight, eating like crap, not exercising and not taking care of ourselves. A 12/14 is average because are a country of fat, lazy, apathetic people that want to be thin and beautiful without doing no work.
I was a size 12/14 once and roughing 180/200ish. And at barely 5'5 I was overweight. I couldn't climb up a flight of stairs. I couldn't run more than 10 feet without stopping. Now I'm a size 2. And I don't eat McDonalds everyday, or at all anymore, and my belly isn't flat and neither is my bum. But i can run and climb and walk and be active now. I can take my dog to the park and go hiking with my friends. I can breathe when I walk up a hill and all the other things I couldn't do before.
Real women should work hard at being healthy, not being accepted for being overweight. And yes, I'm a girl.
I appreciate your response. I agree that obesity is definitely a problem that America faces each and every day. I also agree that we are raising children to have absolutely no regard for what they consume. The problem I have with some of the posts is that people are looking at this woman (and other women her size) and saying, "THAT is what's wrong with our country!" She is not the problem. She may have a little extra belly fat, but we aren't cutting her out of a building either! Like someone mentioned earlier, we all have different body types. For all we know, she may follow a particular diet/exercise plan that keeps her healthy. Just because she takes a picture that shows a little extra around the middle does NOT mean she is going to have health problems.
As for me being on the borderline, I am sure you understand what it means to have a healty relationship with yourself AND with your doctor. For me, I have both. Monday through Saturday, I take consume 1500-1800 calories. For the most part, I indulge on Sundays. This doesn't mean I'm stuffing my face full of twinkies either. I walk around my neighborhood 3-4 times a week. My doctor has no problem with my weight, and according to a recent checkup and round of blood tests, I am very healthy. I do not say all that to pat myself on the back, but to say that I completely disagree with the idea that a woman that wears a 12/14 is unhealthy. Also, like I mention before, a 12/14 is a far cry from someone who is "obese."
That woman is completely hot.
Mike, she doesn't have "lots" of belly fat. You're nuts.
Way to go, Lizzi!! It's about time they showed what "real women" look like. Real women are beautiful, healthy, and confident. Thank you for finally getting it right!
There's a couple of things I don't understand about the health scene. Thirty-six years ago I married my 5'5" girlfriend (she was right out of high school) and she weighed 104 pounds. She wasn't super skinny either. In fact I bought her a bunch of new clothes at Lerner's and her slacks were 7/8s. We have wondered why she now wears a size 3, rarely a 4. Today at 53 she's 114 and from the back her figure looks better than 75% of the teenagers. But she's not alone in her age group. There are several her size. My observation is that kids now have a completely different lifestyle and it's making them "plus size." My wife says that while she was growing up was always outside riding a bike and being active and hardly ever eating a hamburger, maybe once a week. She never exercises and eats what she wants... the thing is, she'll start a Snickers on Monday and she might finish it by Friday. She simply nibbles her way through the day and ends up with a full course, smaller-than-typical dinner. It's possible that eat higher than average amount of fruit and veggies, and she grills just about everything. We haven't used whole milk in 20 years. I think that back in 1973 110 pounds was average and we've adjusted that up to where 150 is acceptable and average. Let's have this conversation when Lizzie is 50 and see how healthy she is compared to a 2009 50 year old. Ladies, for your own future health and well-being don't let today's "plus size" be acceptable. Do whatever it takes to get it off and keep it off...and I think the key is to nibble your way through the day, eat small portions, and stay active all day long. Works for my wife and as a couple we're still going strong with 3 kids and several grandkids.
I am 100% on the same page as Mike and Katherine. Healthy is the goal – that means not skeletal and not overweight. Eating meat and vegetables rather than sugar is not a punishment – it's simply healthy. I want to be able to keep my body healthy so that I can use it for the next 50 years or so (I'm 37 now).
The woman in the picture is obviously larger than most fashion models you see, but is also obviously not obese. Nothing wrong with how she looks, or most likely how she cares for herself. However, I do have one issue with a previous comment stating all women are beautiful regardless of size. I think this is false, but not for the shallow reason you may instictively think. Being too thin is unhealthy and ultimately, in my opinion, unattractive. But telling anyone (male or female) to accept who they are and believe they are just fine no matter how big they are is wrong as well. Sending the message that it is ok to be obese is no different than saying it is ok to be an alcoholic or a smoker. Being obese is not just bad because society tells us it. It's bad because it is unhealthy, it shortens your life, increases your likelihood of health problems, and just plain limits your functionality as a human being. I'm sorry if this offends all the overweight people reading this message, but its the truth. The term "overweight" is after all a medical term used to describe a situation in which someone is larger than what is considered to be healthy. I'll just leave it at that.
Actually, I am a physician. I don't want to be mean but to think that you can be size 12/14 with lots of belly fat and be healthy is wrong. BMI can overestimate obesity in those people with large muscle mass but generally its a good measuring stick. It is not the end all be all. Belly fat is a marker of increased cardiac risk, risk for diabetes and other diseases. You are on the borderline of being overweight, not bad but definitely not good either.
Personally, I think it has to do more with all the empty calories we eat. Everyday I watch those I work with eat glazed donuts (450 calories) or glazed muffins (650 calories) and wonder why I don't join them. Personally, I would rather have a steak and some veggies for dinner than a single snack early in the day.
I just think Americans are so far gone as far as their ideas of what is obese. If you don't think we have a problem in this country you need to goto places like Mississippi or even my back yard in brooklyn. Little kids wobble around on bad hips and are taking insulin for their diabetes! It gives us docs plenty of work but it is going to bankrupt this country.
One- being a little under weight makes you healthier. I am normal weight- my body demands it.
Two- obese diabetics need to pay for thier own insulin and high blood pressure meds- No one should enable bad behavior that costs tax payers who work out-eat healthy,
Three- I read only a magazine for women over 40 when i was 20 – never buy this crap with models-ever. I was a model, and it is all airbrushed. I liken it to religion- fantasy with no evidence. I like spirituel- more inclusive with self responsibility.
Four- good for her for posing, she needs to loose ten pounds.
Do you really believe that the taxpayers are paying for all "obese diabetics"??? What about those that work and have their own insurance? You don't pay a dime for their medication. Just like Mike's comments, this another ignorant assumption.
Also, how many times can you pat yourself on the back in one post? We know you are skinny and healthy... a former model... one that disregards religion, but embraces spirituality... what do you want? A cookie? Oh... wait...
I can't believe the assumptions that this girl is "obese" and that she is the reason America is fat. I want someone to post her height and weight, so we can take a look at her BMI. She may need to "loose" (should be lose) ten pounds, but I doubt she would ever fall into the obese category. I also doubt she is one cheeseburger away from a heart attack. Ten pounds does not lead to heart attacks, diabetes, etc. Look up your facts before you tear other people down.
I think that lady is really pretty–but I have to admit, I'm a bit gorssed out by her stomach–like I am by my own which looks like that. Call it "media's infulence" or whatever, I like a flat belly.
Kudos to Glamour for putting the topic out there at least. I pay more attention to people's faces and how they look in clothes anyway. Once I have the chance to see a person naked, I usually know them pretty well and a little chub isn't going to turn me off.
Lizzi Miller looks very healthy and normal to me! Refreshing.
We should focus more on how people ARE rather than how they LOOK. Your physical body is an accident of genetics: whether to tend to be thin with no work or heavy no matter what you do. It's a shell that is focused on FAR TOO CLOSELY.
I don't know about any of you, but I don't know any girls who are 6'3" and 110 pounds. That is in no way realistic or normal. The average American female is between 5'4" and 5'6".
I'm not saying it's fine to be as overweight as you feel like being, and eating tacos and ice cream every day, that's going to put you in an early grave due to heart disease or something. But the opposite end of the spectrum is no better, starving yourself, working out obsessively, eating disorders, it goes on and on.
Skinny DOES NOT mean healthy. Even at my lowest weight ever which was 145lbs at 5 '8 My meals consisted of 1 egg and a piece of toast for breakfast. Lunch – a yogurt if any at all. Dinner – a can of green beans and a small piece of chicken. Walked 3 miles a night to maintain that weight. That was not a healthy way for me to live. Everyone's body is not cut out to be a size 0. Being a size 12 with a little stomach is not obese.
*plus sz model, lizzie miller, sz 12/14.* huh? sz 14 is the *new* avg sz 4 women in america. how can a 12/14 b a plus sz? i'm
confused!! i know i'm not alone. i'm a sz 6 w/ a belly like lizzie's, so what does that make me?? what happens 2 lizzie when the *new-new* avg sz is a sz 16? none of this makes any sense! lizzie is a beautiful young woman. who are
these ppl at the modeling agency, magazine, design studio and/or advertising agency that have caused this beauty 2 b labeled as
*plus*?? designers hire tall, slender, models 2 showcase their designs. tho lord only knows why, as the only things copied 4
public consumption are the *trends*.. such as, ruffles, bows, flairs/straight leg pants, length of skirts, etc. that is where the
line should b drawn, 4 sz of a person being a consideration. just who do these others think they are selling 2? maybe we just
need new magazines in the country? magazines that cater 2 the *average* american woman, in all her *natural* beauty.. all szs,
colors and ages, would b greatly appreciated. isn't it about time, ladies?
Humm...I have to post given there are several comments from people who think being a plus size (12/14) doesn't make a person normal or healthy. All I would say is I do not agree AT ALL. I would put bets that those posts were written people who would be considered "skinny" and who naturally obsess about weight.
If I were an almost 6 foot tall woman, I would HOPE to be a size 12/14! Look at Marylin Monroe – she was a size 14 and she was the perfect size for her! Being that size doesn't necessarily mean you are fat – especially if you are tall.
I am a healthy woman – I eat good, I nurse my daughter, I exercise...but at a size 10 I am considered overweight for my height. I do not think I will suffer the consequences for my health...I am a healthy person. I know many skinny people who will suffer the consequences because they skipped meals, and abused their bodies in other ways. Do they look better than me – maybe. But, I'll live longer.
I once wrote to a fashion magazine to commend them on their articles on celebrating real women's bodies, but also chastised them for using ultra skinny models in the same issue. They wrote me back and said they appreciated my letter, but the bottom line is skinny models sell clothes. Until the fashion industry is hit in the pocketbook, they won't change their ways, So, unless we start a movement and boycott the fashion magazines and the designers that use skinny models ( which would be all of them), things won't change.
I agree with Heather. People need to know the facts before they just spout off at the mouth whatever pops into their brains.
How about this: what if you have muscle mass that accounts for most of your body weight and so your BMI is skewed because of that? Are you still considered obese? Just asking, considering all of the body builders out there that have so much muscle their BMI has GOT to be unbelievable, yet we don't walk around calling THEM fat or obese, do we? NO. c'mon! Besides, that isn't what the article is about. The article was set to help other women not feel the pressure to make themselves UNHEALTHY to be thin. NOT to discourage them from working out, getting a healthy diet or changing their lifestyles; rather, to discourage an unhealthy lifestyle of bad habits or self-image. It's saying that women are too hard on themselves and each other and that it starts EARLY in life! Be comfortable with who you are – take care of yourself, but love yourself.
Showing a slightly curvier model is NOT a reason to bash the skinny ones! The model in this image is beautiful and I'm glad to see another size and shape in a magazine, but I'm a perfectly happy, healthy size 0 (even after a child). I do not wish to be bashed because I'm not as curvy as Lizzi here, nor would I ever want her to be criticized for not being as thin as me.
There are many different shapes and sizes and as long as you are HEALTHY, I believe you can be beautiful.
Anorexia AND obesity are diseases – neither of which should be put on a pedastal and admired.
Wow, Memphis Slim...you wield that judgment stick around pretty wildly. It seems that you like to describe people using only one adjective. A person is either fat, skinny, ugly or pretty, etc. What happens if you see a pretty, slim girl? Which adjective would you use? Pretty or slim? Either way, you're going to shortchange her on something! Can your brain not process the attractiveness of someone's face, personality and soul regardless of what size they wear? People like you who operate only in "black or white" realms are the main cause for image distortion in our Country.
Grow up and open your eyes to the hate you spew about someone who doesn't fit into the "box" that you've created for all pretty people...according to you. And, as far as I'm concerned, no matter how pretty you are (and I'm speaking directly to you) or how thin and healthy you are, I hear your words and can only see an ugly individual, completely devoid of human compassion, who seeks to live a fantastical life by surrounding yourself only by those you consider pretty, regardless of how they treat others. Pretty is as pretty does, and you are not pretty. Healthy and slim you may be, but you are NOT pretty.
We shouldn't be celebrating love handles. Overweight people are living an unhealthy lifestyle and this is being applauded rather than disciplined. More than 2/3 of America's population is overweight and it's sickening. I don't want to see this in magazine pages, let alone on the streets. Start living a healthy lifestyle, people!
"Call it what you want but the plus size model is overweight and will suffer consequences to her health."
I just have a question... are you a doctor? Because for someone to know as much as you claim to, surely you would understand that you cannot accurately make assumptions based on someone's appearance.
I am 5'10" tall and weigh 170lbs. My BMI is 24.4, which is NORMAL. I also wear a 12/14. I have no health issues whatsoever. Next time you start spewing your ignorant assumptions, at least try to back it up with something.
Bravo to Glamour Magazine! Ms. Miller is beautiful and is much more reflective of reality that the usual super slim models. I hope that this is a start of a trend where the visuals reflect what your average woman looks like instead of fictional women, anorexic women or super retouched photography.
I agree with all of the comments about the beautiful woman in the magazine and the ridiculous idea that all women should be a size 0-2 like most fashion models. However, you can not really make a comparison with Marilyn Monroe and Lucille Ball having worn a size 10-12 because clothing sizes have changed drastically over the decades (in part b/c studies have shown that a woman is more likely to buy a dress if a smaller than expected size fits her). I wear a size 4 or 6 in modern clothing, but when I shop at vintage boutiques, usually take a 10.
The problem is these "models" are idolized for having enviable figures, but they are not a part of reality; it's a manufactured and unattainable ideal. I've been a size 8 since I was 12 years old and am within my weight range for my height. I exercise 2-3 times a week and eat pretty healthy. What needs to be emphasized is health over size because everyone is different – a skinny person can be flabby and a big-boned person can be fit. Put down the frappucinos, get off the couch, and eat smaller portions people!
Mike – I couldn't agree more. Living an unhealthy lifestyle isn't sexy. Just because the majority of people are overweight and don't understand what they're putting into their mouths, doesn't make it acceptable or good. I have to work every day to maintain a healthy, thin physique by eating well, understanding food and my body, and exercising. It's a choice I make. I choose to be thin. As a society I think we've become too accepting of being overweight. I know my opinion isn't the norm and based on the other comments here won't be well received, but there you have it.
About two years ago I recognized that I was gaining weight (slowly), and decided it wasn't a trend I wanted to continue. I took healthy steps to loose the weight, and am now 20 pounds lighter, healthier, and a sexy size 0 or 2. And you know what? It feels amazing. I could never go back.
I encourage everyone to re-evaluate their lifestyle and eating habits rather than blaming "the media" for their shortcomings.
The model is beautiful and sexy–she does not have "rolls of fat." Almost all women, regardless of how thin they are, have that little overhang when they are seated like that. That is the single most difficult area of the body to firm up.
Lizzi – you ROCK!!!
I am a size 10 and eat healthy and exercise regularly. I eat small portions and no junk – still I am not "stick thin". My BMI is well below "obese" or "overweight" yet I would still be considered "plus size" if I modeled for Victoria's Secret (I have to buy size Large at their store!)
I have a bit of a belly after 3 kids, but I love having boobs and a butt!
Mike, if you think that model is overweight you have a very sad outlook on what a beautiful woman looks like. There is nothing wrong with her. You CAN be a size 2 and be extremely unhealthy sir. It's not the size that matters ;) it's the lifestyle.
Look at the show Drop Dead Diva, that is the best show out on tv now cause the leading lady is plus size. She is funny and beautiful, a skinny girl could not pull off what she does for that show. Now days its all about being skinny what happend to being comfortable.
First, to all you gym-a-holics: Some of us cannot afford a gym. They are not cheap. I have little to no "extra" income so gyms are simply out of the question. I also have arthritis, and have had since the days I was a size 7, so I have to limit the stress I put on my joints. I do what I can. Excess weight obviously can be bad when you have arthritis, but it's hard to work out when your hips and knees won't take the stress.
It's also true that fashions and the weight-loss industry have changed our definitions of large, medium, and small. I remember an episode of the old "I Love Lucy" show in which Lucy went shopping in a French designer boutique. She asked to see a size 12! Lucille Ball was not fat! Today, that is considered a LARGE. I also have heard a radio commercial for a weight loss product in which the announcer says "Mary went from a size 6 to a size 2!" What on earth for?? What is wrong with a size 6? Then there was a local news program that focused on "larger" size swimsuits, starting with a size 10. Ridiculous!
I fully support the portrayal of healthy-weight models in magazines. Showing a model with a big belly is not a step in the right direction. While she is not plus-sized or obese, she is fat and needs to lose a few pounds. Stick thin is not healthy, but neither is belly fat! It bothers me that so many people in this country will settle for being a little (or even a lot) fat. Maintaining a healthy weight is a struggle for many and a goal worth fighting for.
I've lost 30 pounds, but still have a belly and have 20 more to go. How about some healthy size 4-6-8 models for inspiration?
For the first time ever I will buy a fashion magazine. Who decides who is beautiful and who is not? I think the media sends the wrong message. One minute the media says someone is to skinny and the next they are saying someone is to fat. I think if we as a society start banning to gather and not listen to the media...maybe just maybe they will stop looking at people as fat and skinny but as person.
Lizzi is not brave...she is comfortable with herself and carries herself with grace and class.
Fat is fat. Pretty is Pretty.
Healthy is healthy, and if you're healthy and take care of yourself, you don't have rolls of fat. You're healthy and you look healthy.
Fat is fat, and paying for Fat Disease health care costs us a lot of money.
If I am going to pay for Medicare/other govt. medical care, I want to pay for health care, not Fat Disease care.
Call it what you want but the plus size model is overweight and will suffer consequences to her health. Just because the average woman is size 12/14 doesn't make is normal or healthy. Stop eating so much and get some exercise and you will get down to a normal BMI. People today eat 3000+ empty calories and expect to be thin. There is no substitute for hard work in the gym and self-control at meals.
I think what needs to be driven home more - a lot actually, is that the average size for women in America is a size 14. Lizzi is a size 12/14 and she is considered (by who?) a plus size model. She's a real woman! The editors at Vogue, Glamour, Elle and the lot should cater more to "average" "real" women and not who they are catering to now.
I was so impressed that I could see a real women with curves & love handles. She looks so beautiful and I am so proud of her for posing for this magazine. By the way I am a female blogger from Germany!! It makes me feel so good about my baby and I have 4 kids and still at the average weight & height for my age. You go girl!!
What's interesting is that as a 30 year old man in America, most of my guy friends are interested in women that have some meat on them anyhow, despite the media. And I think that this shows that your average American man doesn't want these stick models. They want a pretty face, sure, but most men want curves of some sort, not skinny, flat-chested twigs. People should also push this honest, open truth and make it well known, so we have less female body issues.
She is a beautiful woman and she is not plus size. Why this obsession with naked bodies? Clothes make a body pretty and even the most perfect bodies have flaws. Put cute jeans on her and she becomes as sexy as Hallie Berry who happens to have a perfect body IMP.
Look – there is a difference in healthy and plus sized just as there is a difference between healthy and anorexic.
The lady on the cover of this magazine is very brave and I applaud her efforts. She may be "plus-sized" but she is not obese. She is showing that she is happy and comfortable in her own skin and that is true beauty
As americans we need to applaud those who choose to live a healthy life style. Instead of putting Twigs on the runway or overweight models up there – why do we not put HEALTHY models on the runway for women to aspire to be like?
Obesity and anorexia are both diseases. Being thin doesnt mean happiness and neither does being over weight. In the end – a healthy lifestyle – one that includes both diet and exercise – is true happiness and this is something that we as women can aspire to have – a happy healthy body and mind.
I modeled in my late teens because i'm naturally tall and thin. But to be successful, i had to lose 10-20 lbs and I became very unhealthy. Everyone talks about models being naturally thin, but its not exactly true. Either they're preteen and simply have no curves or they're on a very strict diet, work out alot, or have some sort of drug or eating disorder. The latter is most common in my experience.
I was very disgusted by the whole "image/beauty" industry and the fact that it seemed to be run by males (often gay). Why were women allowing men to determine what is beautiful? Nowadays models are so thin they are sick literally and there is no rage, no rebellion on their part or anyone's. people keep buying into it all. When you work with these girls and see how sickly they are and the vibe they give off-it instantly destroys the illusion that magazines sell.
As for me, I'm a very happy, healthy woman who has luckily been able to step back from a warped view of reality and I'm hoping others can too. This model looks healthy and happy and confident. All those things that radiate natural beauty, not illness airbrushed into fantasy.
I think if everyone ate healthy and exercised it would create a healthy society that would promote health. Obesity would not be a minimal issue. We eat fast food and sit on our couches and drive to the corner store and then blame it on media. Perhaps gay men who want models to look like young skinny boys run the fashion world but they certainly aren't there while we suck down lattes and oreos. If you are healthy your body will also be healthy!
The problem all started with Twiggy in the 60's. Before that what is now called a "plus-size" woman was the norm. Look at Marilyn Monrow! Sophia Loren! Two of the most beautiful and celebrated women in the entertainment business! And these women couldn't make the cover of Cosmo today to save their lives. My wife is "plus-size" and she is always the most beautiful woman in the room, and incredibly photogenic. If this trend continues, I'm going to push her towards a modeling career!
I think that Glamour is on the right track. Obviously women are beautiful no matter their size, a 2 or a 12 or a 22. Magazine, music and the movie/television age have created unrealistic views of what women believe they should look like. Do you know what it takes to be as thin as Jennifer Aniston or Cameron Diaz forever, a very low calorie, unhealthy diet of vegetables and protein and non stop daily workouts. I am a size 10/12, and curvy. Most people would think that I was "plus size". I work out every day and eat as healthy as humanly possible to stay sane and I maintain this size. According to my doctor I am healthy, perfect cholesterol and blood pressure. So people just need to remember that thin is not always beautiful or healthy!
She may be a plus size model and incredibly brave, however she is NOT a plus sized woman. The last bastion of discrimination is against the overweight. I am a size 18/20. I am trying to lose weight to become healthy. I cannot find sports bras. I have to buy my work out clothers in the men's department. The worst is the looks and comments I get in the gymn. One person actually called me a whale and told me to give up, get a big mac and die. I do not go to gymns anymore for that reason. I walk and do work outs at home. Glamour and magazines of their ilk, promote this kind of hate. How about an article on obesity that is honest and does not bash or embarass? I would be happy to pose for them :)
This was a long time in coming !She looks great. Healthy is a beautiful thing.
The main problem with all of the anorexia and airbrushing is that it has created false values for men and women alike. Men think there are women who really look like playboy bunnies (the bunnies themselves don't look like that in real life) and women become neurotic trying to acheive perfection which rarely if ever occurs in reality. Look at the uproar a realistic, natural photograph has generated...
Its about time to let the real world what is actually the real facts about women!!! I applaude Lizzy Miller for doing what she has done!!! What a beautiful woman!!!! This is the real world & the real women of the world!!! Its time for all of us to take a stand!!! We are not all models!!! I applaud her for taking these photos & not be embarressed by them, never feel embarressed!!! I Love this Photo!!! HOORAY for all women!!!!
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